1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,880 Speaker 1: Twenty away from six the huddle with New Zealand Southeby's 2 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: International Realty, a name you can trust locally and globally. 3 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:09,880 Speaker 2: Right with me on the huddle, Tim Wilson maximums choot 4 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 2: Alie Jones read pr hello you too? 5 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 3: Hi? 6 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:16,439 Speaker 2: Who wants to go first on the rugby? Between the 7 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 2: two of. 8 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:21,120 Speaker 3: Them, I'll dive in because I love the sport sport. 9 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 3: No one loves this sport the way I do. I reckon, 10 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 3: did you hear the enthusiasm in Jeff Wilson's voice? Dave Rennie, 11 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 3: he's got the CV. Took the Chiefs, big fan of 12 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:33,560 Speaker 3: the Chiefs by the way, too successive back to back 13 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:37,200 Speaker 3: Super Rugby titles that never won before. He turned grinners 14 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 3: into winners. Wallabies, that's a bit met. They were bad 15 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 3: before he started. They were bad while he started, though 16 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:48,199 Speaker 3: bad afterwards. So look, I'm I think he's ready for 17 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:50,919 Speaker 3: the ABS. I wondered if the ABS are ready for him, 18 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 3: because coaches with good records like Razor for example, fantastic 19 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 3: with the Crusaders with the All Blacks. So that's the 20 00:00:58,360 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 3: bit to figure out. 21 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 2: You know, you all most sound like you know what 22 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 2: you're talking about. 23 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 3: And also he's related to Craig Grinny, right, so it's 24 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:07,279 Speaker 3: a successful family. 25 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 2: I'm just saying here, Okay, I don't think that that's true. Ali, Ali, 26 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 2: do you. 27 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 4: Want to I have nothing, no, no know about it. 28 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 4: I have asked a few people today around what they 29 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 4: think work colleagues, and they're still very upset about Scott. 30 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 2: So you're christ Church, yeah absolutely so yeah, commiserations. Now, 31 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:32,960 Speaker 2: I'll tell you what, Ali, why don't you answer me this? Okay? 32 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:35,320 Speaker 2: On the scale of one to five, how angry are 33 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 2: you about the USA strikes? On a run four and 34 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 2: a half, like really angry? 35 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:41,839 Speaker 3: Yeah? 36 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 4: I am really angry for two main reasons. Firstly, I 37 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 4: still am not convinced that an attack against America was imminent. 38 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 4: I haven't heard any evidence to support that what the 39 00:01:55,520 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 4: Americans are saying. Secondly, I'm really angry because this resident 40 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 4: is going ahead and doing stuff without going through Congress, 41 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 4: without following proper process. What is to stop him doing 42 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 4: something else as barmie against someone else when he feels 43 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 4: like it. I heard him talking about Spain today. Spain 44 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 4: won't let them use the you know, thefields there the 45 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:22,519 Speaker 4: air sealds and Trump goes through. Well, we can still 46 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 4: land there. That doesn't matter. 47 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 3: They can't stop us. 48 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 4: That's why I'm angry about it. When are people going 49 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 4: to start hauling this guy out and stopping him from 50 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 4: the lunacy that he is. 51 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:34,359 Speaker 2: Okay, I want to just test this with you though, 52 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 2: So even though he's taken out somebody who is like 53 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 2: a proven bad guy who and will possibly if this 54 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:44,839 Speaker 2: like fingers crossed, if this goes well, could potentially make 55 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 2: Iranians and certainly the Middle East safer, even though what 56 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 2: he might do as a good thing, You're still angry 57 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 2: at him. 58 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 3: Yep. 59 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:53,800 Speaker 4: I am still angry at him because that is not 60 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 4: a good argument. 61 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 3: Right. 62 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 4: How do you justify the next one? Just because he 63 00:02:57,520 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 4: thinks and others think this is a bad guy. What 64 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 4: to stop him taking someone else out that he has 65 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 4: an opinion of that is not a correct opinion. He 66 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:06,519 Speaker 4: is not a law unto himself. 67 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 2: Okay, And how do you feel about it? Tim one 68 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:09,079 Speaker 2: to five. 69 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, Look, I'm not particularly angry. I guess I'm neutral. 70 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 3: I think you touched on something with the editorial heither 71 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 3: in that we have a suspicion of military action in 72 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 3: this country. And indeed, if you look at the way 73 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 3: that we configure, you know, can figure our defense last 74 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 3: ten years, our defense spending did increase as or Europe's 75 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 3: increased by thirty percent, China's increased by seventy eight percent, 76 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 3: almost eighty percent. We have this kind of aversion to 77 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 3: military action, and I'm not sure. Well, I think it's 78 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 3: a cultural thing in some ways, but anyway, I think 79 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 3: that's affecting our response to this. 80 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 2: So do you think tim, because because we have seen 81 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 2: the US completely stuff up with Iraq, and because we 82 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 2: feel proud of ourselves with standing up to them on 83 00:03:56,800 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 2: the situation of the nuclear free perhaps that is informing 84 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 2: what's going on here, Like we're not looking at this 85 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 2: And maybe that's not a bad thing to be informed 86 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 2: by history and previous previous US military action has led 87 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 2: to bad outcomes, to be informed by that and to 88 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 2: assume this is going to be bad as well. 89 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, yeah, Look, I think that that's some of it, 90 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 3: and that's reasonable. It doesn't necessarily justify some of the 91 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 3: anger you've discerned. Also, the way that we celebrate celebrate 92 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 3: Ansac Day, for example, we often say, you know, this 93 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 3: is what's important, this piece. We should never get a 94 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 3: war is a terrible thing. It must never happen again. 95 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 3: But our ancestors who fought for something they believed and 96 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:40,919 Speaker 3: would disagree strongly. So I think the way we commemorate 97 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 3: war is problematic here as well. 98 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 4: I don't think this is relevant to with all respect, 99 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 4: I really don't. I think it's really simple when you 100 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:52,480 Speaker 4: hear the head of the Department of War, YEP, Department 101 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 4: of War say if you heard Americans, we will hunt 102 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 4: you down and kill you. I mean, seriously, this is 103 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 4: the bit. It's making me angry. There's this incredible power. 104 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 4: There are all of these people dead, and the people 105 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:09,039 Speaker 4: who are pushing this, who are making these decisions, are lunatics. 106 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 3: To be frank, I yeah, I disagree. I disagree with 107 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 3: their lunasics. I think we can have an argument about 108 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 3: military action. But the picture is a lot more mixed overseas. 109 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 3: You see NATO Secretary General supporting it, German Chancellor Mertz 110 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 3: supporting it, within the Arab world, the UAE, the saudiast 111 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:28,480 Speaker 3: Guitar supporting it. So let's have the discussion, but let's 112 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 3: not be angry. 113 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 2: All right, We'll take a break and we'll come back. 114 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:32,919 Speaker 2: We're going to have to talk about the union with 115 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 2: the Treaty thing. 116 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 1: Bearwith the Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty the 117 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:40,719 Speaker 1: only truly global brand. 118 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 2: Right, You're back of the Huddles twelve away from six, 119 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 2: Tim Wilson, Ali Jones, guys, I want you to listen 120 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 2: to this, Okay. Liam Rutherford from n ZDI was on 121 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 2: the show earlier and admitted that part of the reason 122 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 2: the primary teachers pay negotiations have fallen over is because 123 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 2: the union wants the Treaty recognized in the contracts. How 124 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:59,040 Speaker 2: does having the Treaty recognized as the founding document of 125 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:02,919 Speaker 2: this country make you'll pay, go up your conditions better 126 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 2: or the children learn more in class? Oh, I'm not 127 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 2: saying that at all. We do have a ranger claims 128 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 2: around pay, around learning, support, around change men. And it's 129 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 2: one of the last things, Limb. It's one of the 130 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 2: very last things that's caused the thing to break down 131 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 2: is that you people want the Treaty recognized in a 132 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:20,159 Speaker 2: place that most of us would not expect it to 133 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:24,720 Speaker 2: be even mentioned. Well, I stist. 134 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 3: Agree with that, Allie. 135 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 2: That sounds to me like a man who is embarrassed 136 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 2: by his position. 137 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 4: Well, I think it sounds like a man who was 138 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 4: questioned by someone who knew what they were talking about, yourself, 139 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 4: and you got the response from him that he wanted. 140 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 4: I thought it was an excellent interview. Yeah, I think 141 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 4: there's a bit of an arrogance actually when you have 142 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 4: people that say these things, and it's a sticking point obviously, 143 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 4: as you said, but when the questions are asked, Heather, 144 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 4: as you did, so, well there they are unable to 145 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 4: answer them. You know, these are not bumper stickers. These 146 00:06:56,240 --> 00:07:00,600 Speaker 4: are not things that we need as virtue. See, they 147 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:02,719 Speaker 4: need to be answered, and he clearly couldn't answer it. 148 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:04,280 Speaker 2: If you ast me a little bit. By the way, 149 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 2: thank you for all of the compliments, Alie. I couldn't 150 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:08,720 Speaker 2: possibly let that pass without without acknowledging it. 151 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 4: Lord, You're welcome. 152 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 3: Tim. 153 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 2: It sounds to me like he's going to back down. 154 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, look at it does. It does. And what 155 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 3: I what I'm loving is that we're sort of modeling 156 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 3: this and I completely agree with Ellie, and that's that's 157 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 3: the way that's at the risk, at the risk of 158 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 3: saying that Kiwis can't actually disagree well about things, we're 159 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 3: actually agreeing about something. So this is good, But. 160 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:34,119 Speaker 2: How did it explain to me something? 161 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 3: Tim? 162 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 2: How did this even end up? Like, how how did 163 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 2: we get to a point where this as in a 164 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 2: contract negotiation being run by a teachers union. 165 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 3: It's not clear to me because I'm not a high 166 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 3: up in a teacher's union, but it's obviously something that 167 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 3: was seen to be important. I wonder if there's been 168 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 3: feedback from teachers. Yea, so it's like, Okay, we're going 169 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 3: to go for this. It's like, oh, no, you know what, 170 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 3: I just want my two and a half percent. Can 171 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 3: we just get in the room and to about it? Yeah? 172 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 2: Maybe? So okay, Yea. It seems to me Alli, just 173 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 2: on this business of the ongoing stats ticking up of 174 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 2: the number of kids who are in state can continue 175 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 2: to be abused. It feels to me like the solution 176 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 2: may lie actually in employing more social workers. What do 177 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 2: you think? 178 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 4: I don't know whether that's I think that's part of 179 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 4: the answer. That this always makes me want to cry, 180 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 4: and we hear about it over and over again. It's 181 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 4: like groundhog Day. Right, So we have the death of 182 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 4: Malachi showcheck, and you know the report from that in 183 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 4: twenty one. The coroner raise concerns it at the hearing 184 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 4: as well, and it's all the same stuff that is 185 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 4: being brought up. 186 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 3: Now. 187 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 4: What frustrates me about this is that they know what 188 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 4: the problems are, and I think you've identified one. It 189 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:46,559 Speaker 4: is certainly starting its standard of you know, training and experience, 190 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 4: but there's a whole lot of other stuff there the silo, 191 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 4: which is something that's just been identified in this latest report. 192 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 4: We know what they know what the problems are. Why 193 00:08:57,600 --> 00:08:59,719 Speaker 4: don't they just fix them? This is one of the 194 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 4: most vulnerable groups in society and all I can hear is, 195 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 4: you know when people say well, well orang a tamariki 196 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:08,680 Speaker 4: in this basically said that as a response to this 197 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 4: report that eight out of ten focus areas have improved 198 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 4: and they're seeing sustained improvements through a focus on that work. 199 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 4: All I hear in my head when I read those 200 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:22,199 Speaker 4: words is greater turn there going blah blah blah, thix 201 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 4: it get on with it. You know what the problems are? 202 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 3: Point Tim, Yeah, Look, doesn't this just recognize again families 203 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 3: are at the core of our society and when families 204 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 3: break and are broken, it resonates through the whole of 205 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 3: the fabric of who we are. I think there's clearly 206 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 3: an issue in terms of the number of social workers. 207 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 3: But I'm hearing from some foster appearance that there are 208 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 3: too many rules and bureaucratic barriers to participation are pretty high. 209 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 3: So we want more good families being able to be 210 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 3: involved so these kids can go into good families. We 211 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 3: do need more social workers as well. It's more than 212 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 3: just what we're talking about. 213 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, guys, it's good to talk to you. Thank you 214 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:05,680 Speaker 2: so much, appreciate it. Tim Wilson Ellie Jones are Hudle 215 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 2: this evening. 216 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:09,839 Speaker 1: For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to 217 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 1: news talks. It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow 218 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.