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Speaker 1: Right on the boot camps. If you're looking at the

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Speaker 1: headlines about the boot camp trial today and these kids

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Speaker 1: running away in one of them dying in a car crash,

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Speaker 1: and your immediate reaction to this is to think, oh,

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Speaker 1: that this is a complete shambles, then I reckon you

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Speaker 1: are looking at this the wrong way. Same with labor

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Speaker 1: Labor today saying, ah, boot camps need to be shut down.

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Speaker 1: They are looking at this the wrong way. What we

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Speaker 1: ask yourself for this? Okay, what were you actually expecting?

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Speaker 1: I mean, these kids who go to boot camps are

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Speaker 1: not average kids. They're not like your kids, right, They're

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Speaker 1: not the kind of kids that you see just wandering

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Speaker 1: around going to school and stuff. These are really, really

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Speaker 1: naughty kids, the kinds of kids that most of us

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Speaker 1: don't ever actually get to meet. This boot camp trial

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Speaker 1: is supposed to be as close as possible to the

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Speaker 1: final kind of format that the boot camps are going

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Speaker 1: to be running in, right, which means that in order

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Speaker 1: to qualify to go to a boot camp, these kids

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Speaker 1: have to have committed crimes that would land them in

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Speaker 1: jail for up to ten years, and not just once.

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Speaker 1: They have to have committed those crimes twice, two crimes

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Speaker 1: of up to ten years in jail. We're talking about

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Speaker 1: things like ram raids and car theft and stuff like that.

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Speaker 1: So these are really naughty out the Gate kids. Now,

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Speaker 1: were you honestly expecting that you're going to take ten

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Speaker 1: naughty out the gate kids, You're going to chuck them

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Speaker 1: in a boot camp for three months, and every single

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Speaker 1: one of them is going to come out the other

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Speaker 1: side Angelica never doing anything naughty again. If you were,

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Speaker 1: you were completely dreaming, and you need to get real.

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Speaker 1: Flip the way that you look at this. Unless these

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Speaker 1: boot camps happened, unless there was some intervention in these kids' lives,

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Speaker 1: there was a good chance that every single one of them,

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Speaker 1: every one of the ten, one hundred percent of them,

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Speaker 1: would end up reoffending over and over and over and

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Speaker 1: over again. So what we've got at the moment is

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Speaker 1: a thirty percent failure rate, as in, we've got one

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Speaker 1: dead in a car crash and two on the run.

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Speaker 1: A thirty percent failure rate is still an improvement on

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Speaker 1: a one hundred percent reoffending rate, do you see what

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Speaker 1: I mean? And even if as a result of these

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Speaker 1: boot camps, just one of the kids turns their life

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Speaker 1: around as a result of the intervention, it's worth it. Frankly.

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Speaker 1: If none of them turn their lives around and all

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Speaker 1: ten of them end up reaffend, what have we actually

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Speaker 1: lost in trying. That's not a failure, that's just carrying

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Speaker 1: on the way it was going to be anyway, as

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Speaker 1: it stands, these are the numbers. One of them actually

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Speaker 1: has a job, one of them is in work experience,

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Speaker 1: one of them is about to get a job, and

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Speaker 1: several apparently are in education. Now that's an improvement on

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Speaker 1: the way that it was going to be. So I

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Speaker 1: reckon we're looking at it the wrong way if we

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Speaker 1: think these things need to be shut down and it's

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Speaker 1: a failure. These are very naughty kids. Chances are all

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Speaker 1: of them may have blips. Some of them may have

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Speaker 1: the occasional blip, some of them may fall off completely

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Speaker 1: and be lost to us altogether. But at least we're trying.

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Speaker 1: And if we change just one life because of a

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Speaker 1: boot camp, I think it's worth it, because the alternative

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Speaker 1: is to accept that every single one of those teners

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Speaker 1: carry on and they're lost to a life of crime forever.

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