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Speaker 1: Barry Sooper, Senior political correspondence with us Hallo Berry.

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon, Heather.

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Speaker 1: What did you make of chippy State of the Nation speech?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Well, you know Labour always has these mantras, doesn't it.

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Speaker 2: Jasin dar Dern had kindness, They've got affordability. Now, if

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Speaker 2: they really applied that to any policy that they might

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Speaker 2: think about bringing into the House, they won't be able

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Speaker 2: to bring in any any policy because the government's broke,

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Speaker 2: and it'll be broke still by the time if there's

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Speaker 2: a change in government. They could of course do a

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Speaker 2: Muldoon and put everything prices, wages, mortgage interest rates into

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Speaker 2: an icebox. They could do that and then they can

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Speaker 2: dish out the lolly. But look, the State of the

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Speaker 2: Nation address really didn't do a great deal for me anyway.

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Speaker 2: I liked David Seymour's take on it. He said the

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Speaker 2: speech wasn't lightweight. It was featherweight. Any politician could have

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Speaker 2: read it out because it doesn't want for those who

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Speaker 2: don't want good things. I mean, everybody wants good things.

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Speaker 2: Why not? He said? He listened to Hipkins and he

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Speaker 2: heard just In Dern light and in a lilting voice,

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Speaker 2: saying that all the right things promises in nirvana and

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Speaker 2: really doesn't deliver a lot. And that's really his summing

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Speaker 2: up of it. So at the stand up with journalists

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Speaker 2: after the State of Nation speech, Hipkins talked about tolling

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Speaker 2: that existing Harbor bridge to pay for a new crossing.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is what he had to say on that.

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Speaker 3: Tolling a new road is something that LABE has been

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Speaker 3: open to previously. Tolling an existing road is something that

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Speaker 3: we've been opposed to as a nine dollar toll realistic

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Speaker 3: if you look around the world at other road tolls,

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Speaker 3: that seems to be right at the upper end, and

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Speaker 3: whether anyone would drive on it would be a pretty

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Speaker 3: significant question. I've also set out some reassurance to business

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Speaker 3: leaders who are concerned about the constant shopping and changing

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Speaker 3: of New Zealand's direction when it comes to things like

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Speaker 3: infrastructure investment. But we're not going to repeat the mistakes

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Speaker 3: of the past. And that was very very well received.

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Speaker 2: I'll bet it was. I mean, at least that's some

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Speaker 2: assurance from Labor that projects won't be canned after they've

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Speaker 2: been entered into I don't know what the Greens will

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Speaker 2: think about that, though they want to undo undo a

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Speaker 2: number of projects if they're in coalition. But ax David

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Speaker 2: Seymour also held a stand up with journo's and took

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Speaker 2: the proverbial out of Labour's new mantra of affordability and

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Speaker 2: raised the levy on the Auckland Harbor Bridge as well.

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Speaker 4: Now, if he came out and said we're not going

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Speaker 4: to have a levy, we're going to tax people more,

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Speaker 4: we're going to borrow more, we're going to balance the

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Speaker 4: books that way, I would respect that. What I don't

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Speaker 4: respect is saying you're going to put the affordability at

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Speaker 4: the heart of everything, but not even explaining how you'd

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Speaker 4: afford your own policies. So if he wants to rule

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Speaker 4: out a charge, sure explain, show us the money. That's

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Speaker 4: fair and that's what we always do. This guy's putting

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Speaker 4: affordability at the heart of everything, but he can't pay

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Speaker 4: for anything. I mean, come on, I.

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Speaker 2: Think it'll come back to haunting the affordability thing, because

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Speaker 2: you know, nothing can really be afforded at the moment

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Speaker 2: without cutting something else or borrowing money.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's also it's also something slightly ironic, isn't it

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Speaker 1: that you drive up inflation to seven point three percent.

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Speaker 1: That you complain about affordability.

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Speaker 2: It was a worldwide issue here, well problem.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, totally totally global problem. What do you make of

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Speaker 1: these move on powers? I suspect they're going to be

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Speaker 1: very popular.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure they'll be very popular. But the problem is

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Speaker 2: the move on. You move them on for twenty four hours,

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Speaker 2: so presumably they can come back in twenty four hours. Now.

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Speaker 2: I was walking with a one year old on crack

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Speaker 2: I call it cracker Happy Road over the weekend, and

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Speaker 2: a number of people were sleeping rough and one really

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Speaker 2: had to go at me. I don't know why, but

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Speaker 2: he had to go all sorts of abuse. I had

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Speaker 2: to block my little girl's ears and it but no, no,

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Speaker 2: but it was it was. He was totally over the

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Speaker 2: top with me.

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Speaker 1: But look, isn't the idea, though, Barry, Sure the idea.

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Speaker 1: I realize you're gonna have to do it every twenty

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Speaker 1: four hours, and you're just moving the problem on. But

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Speaker 1: remember a lot of these people, and I don't mean to,

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Speaker 1: you know, make a generalization, so I'm not going to

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Speaker 1: say all, but many of these people you've witnessed yourselves,

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Speaker 1: yourself are off their faces on drugs. Now, when you're

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Speaker 1: off your face on drugs, you just want to sit

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Speaker 1: there and have a good time, right. You don't want

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Speaker 1: to be moved on by the cops. So if you're

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Speaker 1: getting moved on every twenty four hours, you're just going

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Speaker 1: to end up finding somewhere where people don't come so

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Speaker 1: you can enjoy your drugs there.

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Speaker 2: Well, no, that is true. But the other aspect of

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Speaker 2: it is a two thousand dollars fine. Where are they

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Speaker 2: going to pay for that? I mean, you know, but

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Speaker 2: they're all you know, we live in a welfare state country,

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Speaker 2: so you know, surely all of them could get a

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Speaker 2: benefit if they really put their heart into it.

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Speaker 1: Benefits don't pay for drugs. Well, no, touch, you need

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Speaker 1: a lot more money.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so and three months in prison. Presumably they don't

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Speaker 2: move on immediately. I don't know how you apply this law,

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Speaker 2: because they move on for twenty four hours and then

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Speaker 2: they're back, you know, make berryman.

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Speaker 1: As I say, the idea is that you annoy them,

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Speaker 1: you irritate them till they find somewhere like a symmetry

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Speaker 1: to go and sit where the rest of us don't

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Speaker 1: want to be, do you know what I mean? So

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Speaker 1: they can go in camps somewhere by themselves, and rest

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Speaker 1: of us can use currying a happy road.

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Speaker 2: I don't want them resting in the place of my

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Speaker 2: loved ones.

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Speaker 1: You know what, if you talk nonsense, I don't have

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Speaker 1: a chance to talk about last thing you wanted to

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Speaker 1: talk about. Give me really quickly, go education.

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump's tteriffs.

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Speaker 1: No education announced it tomorrow. What do you know?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. The only thing I do know is

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Speaker 2: that Chris Lackson I wasn't doing any stand ups on

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Speaker 2: Chris Hipkin's speech today, which I thought was a bit unfortunate.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, thank you, Verry, appreciate it very so for

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Speaker 1: seeing your political corresponding.

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