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Speaker 1: Mark Mitchell's well us, Ginny Anderson, good morning, good morning,

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Speaker 1: good morning, Hey, good morning morning, Ginmy, good morning to

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Speaker 1: Eve eight. You've you first? Mark Nikki Kaye thoughts.

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Speaker 2: Force of nature. You know. I think we're all devastated

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Speaker 2: to hear of losing her. But I sort of went

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Speaker 2: back and reflected last night. When she was diagnosed with

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Speaker 2: breast cancer in twenty sixteen, I started texting her every morning,

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Speaker 2: just sending her a message of support, and we did

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Speaker 2: that right through her treatment. So I went back and

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Speaker 2: had a look at those texts and reflected on that

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Speaker 2: she was just a special lady. I mean, we also

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Speaker 2: lost someone called Alan Towe's very special to us in

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Speaker 2: the National Party. He was a leader in the party,

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Speaker 2: wasn't a he wasn't an MP. She was very very

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Speaker 2: close to Ellen, and we lost Ellen in twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 2: So I sort of think of them together now looking

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Speaker 2: down and critiquing us and in making sure that we're

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Speaker 2: doing the right thing. But she was just mate, She

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Speaker 2: was just a She was an amazing lady. I remember

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Speaker 2: during her treatment was on, I was heading up to

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Speaker 2: I was cheering the Foreigner, Fair's Defense and Trade Septmdey

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Speaker 2: at the time, and would have liked to become a minister,

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Speaker 2: and she was in the midst of her battle and

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Speaker 2: she was sending me a full strategy on what I

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Speaker 2: needed to do to become a Minister of Press JK

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Speaker 2: and go to cabinet so and the other thing. Just

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Speaker 2: very quickly, David Farres, she had a story about you

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Speaker 2: know her in our quarterly meetings with the mere They

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Speaker 2: were so funny. We'd all turn up there, all the

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Speaker 2: international peace would turn up. Nicky would be there and

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Speaker 2: we quickly worked out that it was we were there

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Speaker 2: to support her while she brought her long list laundry

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Speaker 2: list of issues fought for the mayor. She was just

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Speaker 2: and just the last thing, Mike. I mean, we all

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Speaker 2: talk about it, but she won that set of Auckland

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Speaker 2: Central just through sheer, hard work and guts. And that's

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Speaker 2: exactly what she was all about, and that's how she

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Speaker 2: lived her life.

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Speaker 1: Well, said Ginny.

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Speaker 3: I just her energy amazing to see a young woman

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Speaker 3: who was so passionate and driven and she made you laugh.

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Speaker 3: She had the ability and select committee just to cut

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Speaker 3: to laugh at herself, and I think that's always a

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Speaker 3: strong asset to have a as a politician. But the

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Speaker 3: one thing I'll always be so thankful for is the

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Speaker 3: stance she took on Great Barrier Island. I spent part

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Speaker 3: strength encouraged that took.

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Speaker 2: Speaking well, I just just on that genally just reminded

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Speaker 2: me of something just really quickly. Years ago, there was

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Speaker 2: a protest march and dog owners came out because they're

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Speaker 2: like that. And they decided that the march was going

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Speaker 2: I remember feeling really strongly about that. I'm a dog lover,

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Speaker 2: rung Vicky and I said, what do you think, because

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Speaker 2: We all got to my office and everyone had the

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Speaker 2: that was that was nicky. That was nicky.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, awesome story, Ginny. Do you and it's just people

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Speaker 1: getting on with each other. There's very good piece in

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Speaker 1: the paper yesterday that explains this four year term thing.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not sure people understand the four year term.

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Speaker 1: You've got two things coming up, right. You've got Winston

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Speaker 1: Peter's vote on whether we want a four year term

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Speaker 1: or not. But you've got Seymour's idea, which from my reading,

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Speaker 1: more say and more input. One do you understand that?

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Speaker 1: And two is it a good idea? Yes?

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Speaker 3: I read that out a call last night, so I

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Speaker 3: my view is that our Select committees actually work pretty

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Speaker 3: So we tend to collaborate and work together to make

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Speaker 3: So my concern would be if you flip that around

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Speaker 3: that could be that could be problematic, I think, and

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Speaker 3: I'm thinking of it as government and as opposition that

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Speaker 3: wouldn't want to fix something that's not I don't think's broken.

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Speaker 1: Okay, mark your view on four year terms and Seymour's idea.

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Speaker 2: Well, look, I'm not going to form a view and

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Speaker 2: it's going to go through a process. But the one

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Speaker 2: thing I do agree with with Jinny on is that

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Speaker 2: I think that the Select committee process is really robust.

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Speaker 2: It's an independent committee, it's a great way for the

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Speaker 2: public to interact, to make submissions, it's all reported, it's

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Speaker 2: all public and it's a great check and balance for us.

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Speaker 1: Are you whipped too much? In general? I'm just thinking

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Speaker 1: about your march and think things. I mean, you look

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Speaker 1: at places like America, to a lesser extent Australia where

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Speaker 1: just because you're national, you don't have to be national national,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: I think, Look, collective responsibility is very very important, That

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Speaker 2: discipline is important. People want to get the sense that

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Speaker 2: the parties are united and they're very clear eyed around

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Speaker 2: But I think there are times also when you go

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Speaker 2: and say, can I take a different position on this?

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Speaker 2: And I know that the National Party is always very

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Speaker 2: open to that. But it's got to be a discussion.

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Speaker 2: It's got to be discussion with everyone.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's part of the coalition deal. Do you think

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Speaker 1: that what Seymour wants to do is going to be

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Speaker 2: Look, that's something for the boss to work out. You know.

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Speaker 3: You said you were going to be whipped.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, you're whipped into submission.

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Speaker 1: Do you do you think it's contentious, Ginny.

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Speaker 3: I think it is contentious because it's completely overturning what's

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Speaker 3: been quite a long history of how Select Committee's work.

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Speaker 3: And I think ourthelet committees are pretty awesome. We have

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Speaker 3: great staffing work on them and it's a very open process.

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Speaker 3: Is Marxis. The public can come in, but just.

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Speaker 1: To argue the case, it's a jack up. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the government of the day has the power and if

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Speaker 1: you're against something, you'll be heard to be against something.

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Speaker 1: And whatever the government tries to do, they're going to do.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 3: You know, I would have liked have Mark to have

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Speaker 3: come to Scrutiny Week next week, but our committee didn't

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Speaker 3: even get to and that was yeah, that's next week.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, fantastic because what wasn't the last year was first

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Speaker 2: It's it's nice to hear that surprize to you that

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Speaker 2: Jinny wants to see me that.

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Speaker 3: That was so we didn't even get to invite them.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, because you all agreed. You both agreed that

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Speaker 1: Scrutiny Week last year was a was a smash. It

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Speaker 3: Do it twice, so you do the budget and now

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Speaker 3: you do that and you review, you got twice a year.

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Speaker 3: So two weeks.

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Speaker 1: Oh well was it too late? Now invite now, Ginny,

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Speaker 1: say come on, make come along.

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Speaker 3: Mark, would you like to come along to scrutiny.

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Speaker 2: Well, I will be at scrutiny Week next week, but

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to overhaul the decision of the committy.

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Speaker 2: That was the decision of the committy.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So we can't even invite him because we don't.

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Speaker 1: We'll see that. So you're arguing against yourself, Ginny, because

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Speaker 1: the national National majority is of course exactly what Seymour's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so maybe we would have more scrutiny. Maybe there

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Speaker 3: is some. I just think that the problem you've got

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Speaker 3: is you'll get more. Politics are played already, But I'm

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Speaker 3: more thinking of legislation and how it's scrutinized as opposed

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Speaker 3: to just scrutiny week. But if you're talking about a

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Speaker 2: The one thing that I can say which is great

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Speaker 2: is that our democracy in New Zealand, ministers probably have

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Speaker 2: the world, and I think that's the right thing that's yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think that's fair. C GT this weekend. First of all, Jinny,

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Speaker 1: where's the conference being held? Christ and whereabout? It's nice place,

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Speaker 1: good food. What's going on there?

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Speaker 3: I think it's just at an overtail. It's just in

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Speaker 1: Wrong of the Neighbortel. Neighbortail is very nice and of

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Speaker 1: course it's walking to everything. Are you going to vote

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Speaker 1: for the CGT to move forward?

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Speaker 3: As they say, I'm not telling you how I'm voting.

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Speaker 2: Love it.

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Speaker 3: I think it's I think there's a good discussion that's

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Speaker 3: been taking place over the past year and and we'll

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Speaker 3: have a good threshout on the conference floor to make

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Speaker 1: What's your vibe about how the vote will go? Will

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Speaker 1: it go forward as an idea to be taken to

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Speaker 1: the election you think or not?

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Speaker 3: I think there's some robot views on both sides, and

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Speaker 3: I think I'm quite I think. But the thing that's

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Speaker 3: interesting is it's taking New Zealand kind of twenty years

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Speaker 3: to start to say, well, maybe a capital going to

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Speaker 3: text isn't such a bad idea, but he is growing.

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Speaker 1: Public because the problem is if you don't believe in something,

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Speaker 1: how do you if you can't even tell us how

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Speaker 1: you're going to vote, how do you sell it?

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Speaker 3: Because we don't talk about how we're internally voting. It's

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Speaker 3: not because I don't believe it. I think we've got

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Speaker 3: a significant problem in New Zealand that we have an

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Speaker 3: aging population and not enough tax to pay for the things.

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Speaker 2: Like o he So we're going to text them all.

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Speaker 3: So we well, you need to do something Mark to

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Speaker 3: increase textable.

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Speaker 1: That economy personally. Jinny as are just as an exercise

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Speaker 1: to see where that goes.

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Speaker 3: Well, Mark can't pay for the fairies. Nicholas canceled them.

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Speaker 3: We have no.

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Speaker 1: Boats yesterday by December thirteen. It's all on Do you

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Speaker 1: know the deal? Mark? Do you know the fairy deals

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Speaker 1: have gone through cabinat?

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Speaker 2: No? I don't know. I'm not involved in that. No,

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Speaker 2: I don't know the deal.

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Speaker 1: No, so cabinet wouldn't.

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Speaker 2: But we're putting that position because we've just about every

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Speaker 2: taking decisions politics on your behalf.

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Speaker 3: And that's also also where he had blame the others

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Speaker 3: after a year after year, mark stop blaming.

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Speaker 1: They get the first term. My rule is the hosting

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Speaker 1: rule of thumb. As you get the whole first term,

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Speaker 1: to blame the last lot you had six years. I

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Speaker 1: mean to be frank, we're to peck a lot of

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Speaker 1: We're to pick a lot of it that year.

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Speaker 2: That's for real. But look, we're looking forward and I'm

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Speaker 2: really please. I'm very proud of our police service. I'm

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Speaker 2: very proud of what they're doing, and we're tracking in

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Speaker 2: the right direction.

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Speaker 1: All right, we'll catch up next week. I appreciate your

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Speaker 1: time as always, Y Anderson, and we'll see how the

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Speaker 1: see how the boat goes in christ use this weekend

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Speaker 1: for the Labor Party.

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