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Speaker 1: Government today here back home will announce plans what to

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Speaker 1: do about the guns. Nicole McKey is set to lay

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Speaker 1: out her rewriting of the Arms Act. But what changes

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Speaker 1: do the gun lobbyists hope come through for them. Hugh

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Speaker 1: devere Mack is with US Counsel of Licensed Firearms Owner Spokespersonshugh.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Good morning, Ryan.

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Speaker 1: You've just been at a conference and Nicole McKee was

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Speaker 1: speaking there. Did she give you any clues about what

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Speaker 1: they might be doing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they gave us a few, a few sort of

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Speaker 2: heads up as to what license firems owners should expect

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Speaker 2: from the law. But I wouldn't want to steal away

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Speaker 2: the Minister's sunder. I think later on today she may

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Speaker 2: be speaking, but I can tell you what we are

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Speaker 2: hoping to hear from. We don't have any details actually

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Speaker 2: as to what's in it yet, but I can tell

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Speaker 2: you what license firearms does and it's are hoping for.

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Speaker 2: If that helps.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's start with the non criminal activities thing. What's

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Speaker 1: that about.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so there's a couple of things that we'd like

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Speaker 2: to see involved in there. License firearms owners have been

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Speaker 2: losing firearm's license of her non criminal activities So the

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Speaker 2: reason that comes about is because the current Act lacks

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Speaker 2: really clear definitions, including what constitutes a fat and proper person,

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Speaker 2: which is well what we're judged to be. That comes

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Speaker 2: from Section twenty four a two C of the Arms Act,

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Speaker 2: which says when a finding or giving a firearms license,

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Speaker 2: they have to consider it quote any other relevant matters

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Speaker 2: the member of police considers appropriate. Now that's a vague

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Speaker 2: catchull because it's been used for people who have had

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Speaker 2: maybe a negative experience with an X. We've had people

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Speaker 2: have them because of medical reasons that are beyond their control.

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Speaker 2: An individual had his license canceled because he had cancer

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Speaker 2: and then had a seizure. It has nothing to do

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Speaker 2: with his safety around firearms, but as a result of that,

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Speaker 2: he had his license taken off them and his access

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Speaker 2: to hunting and putting food on the table restricted. So

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Speaker 2: a clear definition of what fit and proper means with

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Speaker 2: a clear checklist, so we all know objectively what rules

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Speaker 2: we have to live by, I think is a really

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Speaker 2: good and fundamental principle for the new Arms Acts. So

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Speaker 2: that would be one of them.

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Speaker 1: Right, Okay, And so you're saying anything out that, what

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Speaker 1: about mental illness? I mean, if you've been if you've

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Speaker 1: had mental illness, should you be owning a gun?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? So mental illness is a really, really vague and

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Speaker 2: wide term. Right. We've had people who lose their firem's

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Speaker 2: license for showing anxiety. Now, one of the best things

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Speaker 2: you can do for curing or helping with anxiety is

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Speaker 2: getting out into the wide world and counting with your

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Speaker 2: friends safely. Of course.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but you also all nutbars having guns, do you?

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Speaker 2: I mean, how do you? Absolutely so?

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Speaker 1: How do you stop that?

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Speaker 2: So the way you stop that is some great work

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Speaker 2: is being done with both the firem Safety Authority and

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Speaker 2: a group called Mental Hunts, which is helping men and

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Speaker 2: firearms owners get better access to mental health and finding

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Speaker 2: the way that they can have their license temporarily taken

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Speaker 2: off them while they get the help they need, and

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Speaker 2: once they're signed off by a psychologist, they can get

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Speaker 2: their license back again. That's currently how the system should work, right. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 2: sometimes it gets a little bit vague and a little

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Speaker 2: bit over the top, and we understand that need to

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Speaker 2: err on the side of caution, but the police are

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Speaker 2: not psychologists. Once a psychologist surreya has signed off and

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Speaker 2: said you are okay and no longer a danger to

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Speaker 2: yourself or others, then that's when the police should say, look,

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Speaker 2: the doctors and the professionals have said you can have it.

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Speaker 2: It's not our job to stand in your way, but unfortunately,

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Speaker 2: at this point they are still doing that.

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Speaker 1: All right, you appreciate your chim This morning, Hu Deverau

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Speaker 1: Matt Counts of Licensed Firearmsigners spokesperson. We'll hear from Nicole

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Speaker 1: McKee Ladder today for more.

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