1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:01,559 Speaker 1: We got the New Zealand first State of the nation 2 00:00:01,680 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 1: yesterday in christ Church. We had diversity, highest puberty blockers, 3 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: mining the Paris Climate Accord. It was all on New 4 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:09,360 Speaker 1: Zealand First Leader Winston Peter's were this morning to you 5 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:12,320 Speaker 1: don't mind. What are you looking to do? You're trying 6 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 1: to create clear ea from coalition partners. 7 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:19,959 Speaker 2: No, I'm just looking to state the plain facts that 8 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 2: the last election was a process of massive deceit. They 9 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 2: had a one month out from the election, a prefew 10 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:32,160 Speaker 2: or the update before the election. It was a tissue 11 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 2: of lies. And I pointed out and which is the 12 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:35,960 Speaker 2: reason why we took so long to turn around of 13 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 2: a sessame economy back to making progress? Now where do 14 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 2: you end it to interact and in the facts surrounding 15 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 2: what's going on in New Zealand. How many things are 16 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 2: so contrary to sound policy? 17 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 1: When do you reckon it turns around the people's mind. 18 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: Because there was a poll out last week. I don't 19 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: know if you've seen it because you've been away, but 20 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 1: it sort of rated you on issues, not you, but 21 00:00:57,600 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: the government on issues. And you've got a three out 22 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 1: of ten. Doesn't look good. And your counter argument will 23 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 1: be will we inherit it a complete and utter shambles 24 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: as we see the economy turn When does that sink 25 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 1: in with the voter? Do you reckon? 26 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:14,399 Speaker 2: My point yesterday was to tell the mainstream media you 27 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 2: stood there, you were the victim and we all were 28 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 2: of a tissue of lives, and you didn't do your 29 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 2: dumn job. And that's the reason why we had our 30 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 2: state nation that's on Sunday yesterday, because this week, just 31 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 2: the last week, we finally got the update that said 32 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 2: the economy that you've been painting is being miserable, is 33 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:33,960 Speaker 2: actually on a turnaround, a long way to go. That's 34 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 2: why it was so important. 35 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's why I'm asking, when do you reckon 36 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: that sinson with the voter? And they get it and 37 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 1: see it. 38 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 2: Oh well, look, so many people are university coffee by 39 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 2: express when it comes to political science and those sort 40 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 2: of studies. But we're not concerned about that in these 41 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 2: infest We're concerned to guard there and say that this 42 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 2: country has got a memorous chance to turn itself around 43 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:00,080 Speaker 2: be what we used to be a leading country. We 44 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 2: go to do some fundamental things publy, like extraction. We 45 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 2: can't afford to go forward with stupid work signaling policies, 46 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 2: so to speak, like the Paris Accord, which needs to 47 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 2: be re examined because it's actually killing us as an economy. 48 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 1: When you say the Paris Accord, would you pull out 49 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 1: of the Paris Accord completely? 50 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:21,919 Speaker 2: No, I'm saying to these younger people right here, right now, 51 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 2: you've all been sucked into this matter. I'm asking for 52 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 2: a reconsideration. The four countries I named, China, United States, 53 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 2: India and Russia are responsible for almost six percent of 54 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 2: the carbon credits of the carbon issues we've got, and 55 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 2: we're at point is zero point one seven. What on 56 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 2: earth can we possibly do? And we've been signing up 57 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:47,359 Speaker 2: to process where twenty two billion plus is going to 58 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:49,920 Speaker 2: come out of our economy to some foreign economy and 59 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 2: nobody knows. Why do you do? 60 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 1: You feel uncomfortable though that although the National Party have 61 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 1: driven this and it's being paired back, it's just not 62 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: pared back as much as you would like, and therefore 63 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 1: that's an ideological battle or not. 64 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 2: Look, you've asked me the question, and the question answer 65 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 2: is really this. They went there in twenty sixteen and 66 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 2: signed up to parison. Nobody knows why. As an exercise 67 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 2: where they were persuaded that somehow this will work, it's not. 68 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 2: And no one's paying attention to earn the big economy, 69 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 2: so to speak. And we're just on a futile mission here. 70 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 2: And it doesn't make any sense. I'm saying, if you're 71 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 2: going to spend twenty two billion dollars, then why not 72 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 2: spend in your own economy, in your own country and 73 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 2: trying to fix the problem yourself. It is just to 74 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 2: my sense and my party sense, a waste of our time. 75 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: The Labor line when you said, as the Labor Party, 76 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 1: this current lot, if they got rid of a few 77 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 1: of them, would you look at them again or are 78 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 1: they out full stop? 79 00:03:55,720 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 2: Look, mister Hepkins displayed his awful evidence when he was 80 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 2: in the jobs that he did have. He had one 81 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 2: after the other jobs. He gets to become the leader 82 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 2: of the Labor Party, has a bonfire of all their policies, 83 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 2: and then he gives us speech as I said yesterday, 84 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 2: setting out why they got things wrong on the have abridge, 85 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 2: truck away, light rail and all those things. If they 86 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:20,279 Speaker 2: hadn't done the homework, he said, and that's why things failed. 87 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 2: So if you're that incompetent the first time around, why 88 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:25,599 Speaker 2: would you trust him to do the job the second 89 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 2: time around? But I don't know why everybody keeps asking 90 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:30,279 Speaker 2: this question because I send for a particle in his viewing. 91 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 2: First thing, what other parties policies are their business but 92 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 2: not ours? 93 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 1: Rubio, how well informed was he of what's happening in 94 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:37,919 Speaker 1: this part of the world. 95 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 2: He seems well informed, and so was his team, and 96 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:49,280 Speaker 2: so was the the security national security advisor for Donald Trump. Walsh, 97 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:55,239 Speaker 2: there were seriously well advised about those issues that you've raised, 98 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,720 Speaker 2: and unusually so, because you know, I've been there in 99 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 2: pastimes where I family that people have not been as 100 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 2: well prepared as they were. 101 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 1: Good to talk to. You appreciate it. Winston Pleatus, New 102 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 1: Zealand First Leader. 103 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 2: For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to 104 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:12,480 Speaker 2: news talks. It'd be from six am weekdays, or follow 105 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 2: the podcast on iHeartRadio.