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Speaker 1: If you listen to this show on the regular, you

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Speaker 1: will know that I think that the green bins need

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Speaker 1: to be axed, you know the ones I'm talking about,

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Speaker 1: the little green bits you're supposed to put your food

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Speaker 1: scraps in, and particularly they need to be axed in Auckland.

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Speaker 1: Good news, So does the Auckland Ratepayers Alliance, who've launched

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Speaker 1: a campaign to get rid of them. Sam Warren is

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Speaker 1: a spokesperson with US.

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Speaker 2: Now, Hey Sam, hi, yeah there, how are you?

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Speaker 1: I'm very well, thank you. Now, why do you think

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Speaker 1: they need to be gone? And why do you care

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Speaker 1: about it enough to launch a campaign?

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Speaker 2: Look at this rate I don't know whether to laugh

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Speaker 2: or cry. The more we dig into it, the more

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Speaker 2: it doesn't make sense Economically. Auckland Council spends about thirty

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Speaker 2: six million dollars a year on the program. That's a lot,

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Speaker 2: and only a third of Auckland is actually use it,

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Speaker 2: and even that number seems high. There's no opt out function,

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Speaker 2: and particularly for households that compost their own waste, you

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Speaker 2: know they don't use it, why should they pay for it?

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Speaker 2: But secondly, it doesn't actually stack up from an environmental

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Speaker 2: point The amount we're spending on the carbon reduction far

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Speaker 2: less could be spent just through ETS credits or planting trees.

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Speaker 2: So it makes no sense either way. You shake it,

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Speaker 2: see enough, because because what.

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Speaker 1: You could do right because at the moment, the carbon cost,

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Speaker 1: the cost for every unit of carbon that we save

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Speaker 1: by chucking it in little green bins and then chucking

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Speaker 1: it in the back of the truck, then taking it

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Speaker 1: to somewhere, then putting it on trucks to reperoi and

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Speaker 1: blah blah blah, is costing us about fourteen hundred dollars

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Speaker 1: per carbon unit. Right when we could go to the

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Speaker 1: easiest we could pay fifty dollars, and then what we

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Speaker 1: could do sam is we could take the remaining thirteen

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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty dollars and we could spend it on

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Speaker 1: planting trees, and we would actually be doing better for

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Speaker 1: the environment, wouldn't we than what we're doing right now?

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Speaker 2: You would? So look, I can only suspect council have

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Speaker 2: wanted to be seen to be doing something. They want

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Speaker 2: to be green, and it's actually not what's happened. It's

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Speaker 2: bad planning and rate payers deserve a lot better.

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Speaker 1: I reckon too, Right now, what is this business about

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Speaker 1: the three million dollars on comms and advertising? What's going

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Speaker 1: on here?

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Speaker 2: Oh? I did think to ask counsel how much they've

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Speaker 2: spent promoting the program. It's actually three million and two

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Speaker 2: hundred and fifty thousand dollars, I should say. So that includes,

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Speaker 2: you know, six hundred thousand an agency to make their

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Speaker 2: concepts and everything, one point four million on paid media

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Speaker 2: all sorts. And can I just remind you only a

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Speaker 2: third of Aucklander's even use the bench.

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Speaker 1: The thing is, there's a context for me though, Sam,

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Speaker 1: because you know pr is not cheap, I mean, you

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Speaker 1: have to pay something for it. So is that an

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Speaker 1: excessive spend?

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Speaker 2: Well, it's excessive because this whole program shouldn't exist in

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Speaker 2: the first place. A feasibility studies should have counted all

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Speaker 2: the carbon and all of you know, they should have

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Speaker 2: known it doesn't work. And councils up and down the

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Speaker 2: country are actually switching on to the fact that it

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Speaker 2: doesn't make sense. Fung A new Eat, for example, pulled

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Speaker 2: out of it, and we want Auckland to do just

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Speaker 2: the same.

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Speaker 1: What's the population of Auckland. Is it one point five

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Speaker 1: or one point two million?

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Speaker 2: Oh? I think it's towards one point six these.

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Speaker 1: Days, is it Okay? So let's just go one point

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Speaker 1: five for ease. Right. So if a third of us

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Speaker 1: are using, that's five hundred thousand of us, right, And

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Speaker 1: it means that they are spending what's six dollars for

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Speaker 1: each of those people to get them to use the

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Speaker 1: green bins just in advertising and pr That's a dumb spend,

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Speaker 1: isn't it.

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Speaker 2: Look I'd say, so we need smarter spending, and I

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Speaker 2: really think a bit more accountability.

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Speaker 1: Now have you heard because somebody emailed me and said

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Speaker 1: to me that eighty percent of water is going to

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Speaker 1: eperore and those trucks is actually water? Is that true?

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Speaker 2: Yes, a few people have reached out with the same

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Speaker 2: number from what I can gather, Yes, that's a lot.

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Speaker 2: How is the recursor? Well, I mean these are food scraps. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: it's a lot of water material inside it. And you'd

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Speaker 2: think you'd squeeze that all out before shipping all that

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Speaker 2: weight two hundred kilometers out of town down to Epiol.

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Speaker 1: Don't you just like that's what you do, isn't it?

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Speaker 1: When you know when you're filling up your little truck

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Speaker 1: buckets at the sea and stuff. You just open the tray,

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Speaker 1: you let the water out. Why wouldn't they just let

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Speaker 1: a bit of water out?

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Speaker 2: And then lost person would say that hither? But I

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Speaker 2: think you're giving counsel too much credit right now.

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Speaker 1: This is unbelievable. Okay, so listen, how committed to you

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Speaker 1: to getting rid of these bins? I'm at about a

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Speaker 1: solid seven out of ten? Can you?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Ten? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: Look at the very least I want to see the

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Speaker 2: ability to opt out if you want to pay for it.

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Speaker 2: I don't know why you would by all means that option,

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Speaker 2: but other people not using it shouldn't have to pay

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Speaker 2: for it. Yeah, it's as simple as that.

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Speaker 1: Sam, Your reputation now relies on you have got to

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Speaker 1: get rid of these bins for the Auckland rate Payers

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Speaker 1: Alliance's reputation. Okay, I'll do my best head on and

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Speaker 1: for mine as it would transpire. Thank you, Sam. I

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Speaker 1: appreciate it, right, Sam and I are in the team

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Speaker 1: on this one. Sam Warren, Auckland rate Payers Alliance. Those

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Speaker 1: bins are gone. For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive

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