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Speaker 2: Twenty to six News Talks Hill be terrible week for

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Speaker 2: poor old Liam Lawson, but it's going to be a

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Speaker 2: great weekend of Super Rugby. Clay Wilson News Talks, ZIB

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Speaker 2: Sports News Director of US and Nicky Styrus Sports Journalists.

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Speaker 2: Good evening, guys, evening, right, good evening here for a Friday. Nicky,

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Speaker 2: Let's start with you and Liam Lawson obviously got the

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Speaker 2: got the boot demoted, and it's to protect his mental health.

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Speaker 2: Kristin Horner making this move, and then we're not quite

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Speaker 2: sure what Max to Stephen thinks about this. He's liked

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Speaker 2: to post and then he says he stands by the

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Speaker 2: liking of the post, but we don't know what the

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Speaker 2: post means. What do you think about it? NICKI?

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Speaker 3: I have been in debate with my husband all week

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Speaker 3: about this. So I guess it's whether you believe that

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Speaker 3: Lawson should have been in that seat in the first place.

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Speaker 3: He doesn't, and so his argument is now he is

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Speaker 3: saving his mental health because you know this will actually

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Speaker 3: for a driver that shouldn't have been there in the

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Speaker 3: first place. This is actually going to save him any

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Speaker 3: further embarrassment or any further confidence lost given that he

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Speaker 3: was last in both the Formula ones that he raced,

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Speaker 3: and I, on the other hand, set quite differently. I

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Speaker 3: think that the way he's been treated has been ruthless

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Speaker 3: and unceremoniously dumped after two races. You could argue that

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Speaker 3: that's where the confidence was destroyed and his mental health

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Speaker 3: took a big dive. But you know, it is professional

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Speaker 3: and they don't take any prisoners. They're not kind, and

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Speaker 3: you know, it will be very interesting to see how

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Speaker 3: Liam Lawson backs up from this. And interestingly you'll probably

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Speaker 3: know this too, Ryan, because you're such a sports.

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Speaker 1: Follower that.

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Speaker 2: That's why I invite you on.

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Speaker 3: Because you like me. Because in the practice that they've

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Speaker 3: just literally had at the Japanese Grand Prix, he's come

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Speaker 3: in thirteenth in the first practice, which is is not embarrassing.

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Speaker 3: It's not great, it's not it's not bad. Yuki sonoda sixth,

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Speaker 3: So that's a little bit telling.

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Speaker 4: So we shall see.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you've got to wonder, Oh, I know the

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Speaker 2: pressure is off in terms of the premium category, but

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Speaker 2: it's still going to be a lot of you know,

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Speaker 2: come down from that, there's still going to be feeling

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Speaker 2: a lot of pressure.

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Speaker 5: Clay, Yeah, I think the thing is with this, the

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Speaker 5: logic adds up from Red Bull, Right, he's a young

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Speaker 5: driver under immense pressure. Let's take him out of that

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Speaker 5: pressure and bad back in the second team to take

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Speaker 5: it doesn't actually come off. There's always someone hot on

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Speaker 5: your heels, whatever team you're in, and Red Bull have

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Speaker 5: history on more than one occasion of this, and to me,

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Speaker 5: while the logic may add up, it's kind of a

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Speaker 5: cop out for Red Bull making perhaps making what they

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Speaker 5: now see was the wrong decision in the first place.

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Speaker 5: You have Christian Una on TV just now after that

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Speaker 5: he'll be able to deal with the car and accumulate

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Speaker 5: points for the team. These are all things that Red

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Speaker 2: To use the mental health one, Nikki. It sort of

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Speaker 2: undermines him because Liam has not said anything. How are

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, look, I completely agree that it's a cop out.

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Speaker 3: It's red Bull scrambling to save face. Perhaps made a

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Speaker 3: And you know, I take my hat off to Liam.

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Speaker 3: He has acted amazing through this whole process. He's held

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Here, four of the top six super rugby sides

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Speaker 2: next Clay Wilson and Nicki Styrus on the Sports Uddle

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Speaker 2: tonight for your Friday. So four of the top six

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Speaker 2: Super Rugby sides are from Australia. We're halfway through the season, Clay,

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Speaker 2: what's going on.

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Speaker 5: Well, I've done my research on this. I've spoken to

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Speaker 5: Elliott Smith, because my suspicion when I saw this topic

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Speaker 4: NICKI, yeah, I have to agree on it being a

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Speaker 2: Oh they're financial problems. Yeah. I was actually going to

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Speaker 2: avoid that one because it's oh, well you yeah, well

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Speaker 4: Let's do that.

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Speaker 3: Then I love the America's Cup, or.

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Speaker 2: Do you so? Because I think you've only got so

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Speaker 2: probably about fifteen thousand elective surgeries. And I know, you know,

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Speaker 2: why should we fund the America's Cup, NICKI.

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Speaker 3: Look, it's an age old debate, isn't it. Because you

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Speaker 3: want to see tangible returns. You actually want to go

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Speaker 3: we gained this many people come in, we got this

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Speaker 3: But they're not tangible things. And I think the problem

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Speaker 3: in an education system that's struggling and competing for every

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Speaker 2: Clay, what's your thought on this, because otherwise you end

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Speaker 2: don't know who's who's interested in this kind of stuff.

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Speaker 5: Well, apparently Greece have come on to the market, and

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Speaker 5: Like you say, the spending of money that can be

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Speaker 5: you know, some would say much better spent on other things,

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Speaker 5: but then it's money you spend for potential benefit coming

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Speaker 5: America's Cup over there. That's you know, you've got to say, wow,

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Speaker 5: that's a lot of money. Could we be benefiting from that?

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Speaker 5: But to me, it's optics a lot of this in

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Speaker 5: terms of politics. I look at the ed In Park debate,

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Speaker 5: whole Auckland stadium situation.

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Speaker 2: But it's the same thing, isn't it.

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Speaker 5: But it's the same thing. I feel like with the

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Speaker 5: they might see that an investment in a big stadium,

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Speaker 5: you know, down the track, that could have great, great

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Speaker 5: The government, while they probably realized the benefits are there,

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Speaker 5: America's Cup won't fall in the favor of a lot

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Speaker 5: of taxpayers out there. So I think it's the optics

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Speaker 5: sways into it a lot in terms of the government

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Speaker 5: just say nap, we're not going to entertain it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, all right, Hey guys, we've got about thirty seconds.

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Speaker 2: Chiefs saw reads tonight, Clay.

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Speaker 5: Oh, it's in Hamilton, so Chiefs all right.

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Speaker 3: Nikki, Yeah, chiefs because I live with a chief supporter.

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Speaker 2: Very argumentative household at your place.

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Speaker 3: Nick, Oh yes, yes, he's got to tread very keefully

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Speaker 3: around here.

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