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Speaker 2: It is out, The.

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Speaker 3: Test is over. Smoke a Beauty, It is out.

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Speaker 4: And here you guys.

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Speaker 3: Just Delivery has a user to go.

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Speaker 1: On the Front Foot with Brian Waddell and Jeremy Cody,

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Speaker 1: powered by News Talk sad B at iHeart Radio.

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Speaker 3: Hello on the front foot. At the end of another

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Speaker 3: cricket season. Boy, it's been up as the old week

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Speaker 3: Queen Sweet Baver Pakistan for well. International Development Squad Northern

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Speaker 3: District's on the punket shield with a commanding final round victory.

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Speaker 3: And was it a fitting farewell for Neil Wagner from

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Speaker 3: our domestic game? Is the universal support of the proposed

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Speaker 3: changes in the international game? Dead's job is up for decision?

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Speaker 3: Does that open up the Wichael job for Rob Walter

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Speaker 3: and the big one who won the awards? Well, we're

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Speaker 3: going to let you know you probably do know everybody

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Speaker 3: would have picked the winner of the women's awards, Jeremy.

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Speaker 3: Even Donald Trump would have picked this one, wouldn't he.

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Speaker 4: Ah, Yes, I think Maddy Green really deserved it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, that shows you're in the Trump camp.

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Speaker 4: Yeah Meelee Kerr Medi Kurt had to be surely.

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Speaker 3: Without a doubt, without a doubt. And the Men's Award, well,

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Speaker 3: there were some contenders for that one, and Garth Galloway's

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Speaker 3: with us. He's been watching through the domestic cricket and

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Speaker 3: also the international cricket throughout the summer, and that was

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Speaker 3: probably just as easy to select too, wasn't it.

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Speaker 2: I think so. I think so. I think that I'm

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Speaker 2: not in painting of Jerry's silly games. I think Matt

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Speaker 2: Henry had a great season. You know, they missed him

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Speaker 2: didn't they. I think they. You know, his presence as

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Speaker 3: I think yes, indeed, Jerry. The interesting thing was he

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Speaker 4: Now he has and he's different from the others, and

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Speaker 4: that's the impressive thing I think about this developing attack

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Speaker 4: his economy rate. You've mentioned the wickets that he gets

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Speaker 4: taken some good catches as well. I think of that

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Speaker 4: His batting hasn't hasn't really developed any further. I'd like

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Speaker 4: But certainly from the bowling point of view, it stands

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Speaker 4: I thought he was must He's pushed Henry and that's

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Speaker 2: In that England series when when Brockets scored one hundred

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Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I agree. I suppose you're looking at the

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Speaker 2: I suppose. But I think, well, yeah, I remember talking

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Speaker 3: And the interesting thing about all this Garth is that

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Speaker 3: But this year it's bowlers we're celebrating. You know, Cain

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Speaker 3: But to have bowlers in the dominance I think is

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Speaker 3: Well. The interesting thing Jerry in that regard is the

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Speaker 4: And he's captain Wellington, hasn't he. Brian you'd probably know

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Speaker 4: grand On, Saudi, Wagner, Bolt, you know they're not that

430
00:25:52,973 --> 00:25:56,733
Speaker 4: that's not a bad, you know, number to get to

431
00:25:56,853 --> 00:26:00,533
Speaker 4: start with, but that and he's kept most of them,

432
00:26:00,573 --> 00:26:03,693
Speaker 4: hasn't he for a long time until they've decided to retire.

433
00:26:05,373 --> 00:26:07,933
Speaker 4: So if he decides to go with the next Test side,

434
00:26:07,973 --> 00:26:12,773
Speaker 4: wouldn't surprise Maybe he can because of the sides that

435
00:26:12,813 --> 00:26:16,133
Speaker 4: we've been saying they're going to play this year, he

436
00:26:16,173 --> 00:26:18,973
Speaker 4: can marry up some of those experienced players that he

437
00:26:19,053 --> 00:26:21,693
Speaker 4: already has with some of the useful ones, which is

438
00:26:21,733 --> 00:26:26,413
Speaker 4: what Garth has been speaking about. Yeah, look, I don't

439
00:26:26,653 --> 00:26:29,173
Speaker 4: I don't see any reason why two different voices and

440
00:26:29,293 --> 00:26:34,853
Speaker 4: thoughts shouldn't be a boon. Actually for the players, especially

441
00:26:34,853 --> 00:26:37,213
Speaker 4: those who have been there for a long time, to

442
00:26:37,293 --> 00:26:41,693
Speaker 4: get to be energized, you know, by a new voice

443
00:26:41,733 --> 00:26:43,773
Speaker 4: and some new ideas, I would have thought would have

444
00:26:43,773 --> 00:26:46,773
Speaker 4: been quite a nice thing. You don't have to accept them,

445
00:26:47,213 --> 00:26:49,293
Speaker 4: but it's nice to come from a different angle. And

446
00:26:49,333 --> 00:26:52,973
Speaker 4: that relentless nature of being in charge of all three

447
00:26:53,653 --> 00:26:56,093
Speaker 4: I would have thought it would have worn you down, frankly.

448
00:26:57,533 --> 00:27:00,933
Speaker 4: And players specialize in batting, fielding, and coaching, why not

449
00:27:01,093 --> 00:27:04,453
Speaker 4: coaches specializing I don't have any problem with that at all.

450
00:27:04,573 --> 00:27:07,893
Speaker 4: So let's just wait and see what happens. I wouldn't

451
00:27:07,933 --> 00:27:10,453
Speaker 4: be at all surprised if he does take the tests, though.

452
00:27:10,853 --> 00:27:14,813
Speaker 2: No, I think that's where it's leading. Jerry and I

453
00:27:14,813 --> 00:27:16,853
Speaker 2: think it's interesting. I mean, the black mark for me

454
00:27:17,333 --> 00:27:21,253
Speaker 2: is around I think there are a couple so and

455
00:27:21,533 --> 00:27:24,013
Speaker 2: the thing is we'll never know from the outside what

456
00:27:24,133 --> 00:27:28,493
Speaker 2: went on, but the treatment of Wagner and his forced

457
00:27:28,493 --> 00:27:33,013
Speaker 2: retirement prior to the Test in Wellington, and then the

458
00:27:33,493 --> 00:27:36,813
Speaker 2: as I say that the ongoing selection of Sadi when

459
00:27:36,853 --> 00:27:40,373
Speaker 2: he was palpably not it shouldn't have been picked. Those

460
00:27:40,413 --> 00:27:42,613
Speaker 2: are things that lead me with a sense of discomfort

461
00:27:42,653 --> 00:27:45,653
Speaker 2: around the environment. And I just don't know from the

462
00:27:45,693 --> 00:27:49,373
Speaker 2: outside how much Gary's had to play on that, or

463
00:27:49,413 --> 00:27:52,413
Speaker 2: whether it was player power or whatever. Those are the questions.

464
00:27:53,453 --> 00:27:56,973
Speaker 3: The other thing too was the ending of Ross Taylor's

465
00:27:57,653 --> 00:28:01,213
Speaker 3: short form career as well. That was a rather bitter

466
00:28:02,253 --> 00:28:06,093
Speaker 3: issue at the time. And those things that are part

467
00:28:06,173 --> 00:28:10,013
Speaker 3: of the politics of cricket, aren't they In the end result,

468
00:28:09,613 --> 00:28:12,573
Speaker 3: you look at where Steed's got the side their fifth

469
00:28:12,653 --> 00:28:16,693
Speaker 3: and Tests rankings third and Odie Eyes and fourth in

470
00:28:17,093 --> 00:28:18,053
Speaker 3: T twenty.

471
00:28:17,853 --> 00:28:21,533
Speaker 1: Brian Waddle Jeremy Coney on the front foot.

472
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Speaker 3: Just before we sign off this week a chance to

473
00:28:23,893 --> 00:28:27,893
Speaker 3: reflect on the Plunket shield. The final round was an

474
00:28:27,933 --> 00:28:32,213
Speaker 3: interesting round because three teams were in contention, Canterbury, Wellington

475
00:28:32,453 --> 00:28:37,533
Speaker 3: and Northern Districts. Wellington, the defending champions, had to beat

476
00:28:37,733 --> 00:28:42,013
Speaker 3: Canterbury and hope that Northern Districts were beaten by Otago

477
00:28:42,093 --> 00:28:46,173
Speaker 3: in the final round, but sadly for Wellington they ended

478
00:28:46,253 --> 00:28:51,253
Speaker 3: up second comprehensive winners over the Cantabs, but Northern Districts

479
00:28:51,613 --> 00:28:56,933
Speaker 3: equally as emphatic in their victory over Otago and secured

480
00:28:56,973 --> 00:29:01,893
Speaker 3: themselves the Plunket Shield which they haven't held for quite

481
00:29:01,933 --> 00:29:06,093
Speaker 3: some time. But they did it under the coaching skills

482
00:29:06,093 --> 00:29:09,693
Speaker 3: of BJ Watling and the captain c of Jeet Raval.

483
00:29:10,213 --> 00:29:13,013
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a massive relief to be honest. Became very

484
00:29:13,013 --> 00:29:15,373
Speaker 5: close last year and we were disappointed not to get

485
00:29:15,373 --> 00:29:17,493
Speaker 5: our hands on it. And this year I think we've

486
00:29:17,493 --> 00:29:20,013
Speaker 5: played amazing cricket. I think we've been the best team

487
00:29:20,013 --> 00:29:22,333
Speaker 5: in the competition so far. So nice to come over

488
00:29:22,373 --> 00:29:24,413
Speaker 5: with the nicely to come away with the shield and

489
00:29:24,533 --> 00:29:28,373
Speaker 5: it really really pleased our lion hearted and obviously you

490
00:29:28,413 --> 00:29:30,213
Speaker 5: saw the way he went and outed today as well,

491
00:29:30,213 --> 00:29:33,653
Speaker 5: you know, charging an hour after our bouncer after bouncer

492
00:29:33,693 --> 00:29:35,693
Speaker 5: and they're just not giving it and and just to

493
00:29:35,813 --> 00:29:39,693
Speaker 5: kind of cricketer he turned turned himself into and epitomizes

494
00:29:39,733 --> 00:29:41,813
Speaker 5: what he's about as a as a player and what

495
00:29:41,853 --> 00:29:43,973
Speaker 5: a team meant has been. So I think it's his

496
00:29:44,053 --> 00:29:46,613
Speaker 5: plunket first blunket shield in seventeen years and it's a

497
00:29:46,693 --> 00:29:49,453
Speaker 5: nice way for him to bow out and.

498
00:29:49,493 --> 00:29:53,333
Speaker 3: For one player, it was an exciting end too his

499
00:29:53,493 --> 00:29:58,093
Speaker 3: domestic career in New Zealand. Having started with Otago, he

500
00:29:58,173 --> 00:30:02,733
Speaker 3: moved to Northern Districts and he kept off his career

501
00:30:03,293 --> 00:30:05,693
Speaker 3: with a victory in the plunket Shield.

502
00:30:06,413 --> 00:30:10,053
Speaker 6: Definitely up there, Yeah, cheering the kala on the top

503
00:30:10,173 --> 00:30:12,653
Speaker 6: like it's just good of us, a little bit of ending.

504
00:30:13,253 --> 00:30:15,933
Speaker 6: Plunket shield is one of the only things I've never

505
00:30:15,973 --> 00:30:19,373
Speaker 6: been able to achieve a team or one and to

506
00:30:19,413 --> 00:30:21,813
Speaker 6: do that in your last game years definitely tick off

507
00:30:21,813 --> 00:30:24,773
Speaker 6: the bucket list and pretty special day. It's a nice

508
00:30:24,773 --> 00:30:28,213
Speaker 6: way to end what has been a pretty special time

509
00:30:28,253 --> 00:30:28,413
Speaker 6: in his.

510
00:30:28,453 --> 00:30:31,613
Speaker 3: Y seventeen years looking for the plunket shield.

511
00:30:31,613 --> 00:30:32,493
Speaker 1: You finally found it.

512
00:30:32,853 --> 00:30:36,453
Speaker 6: Yeah, got second a lot and close a lot with

513
00:30:36,573 --> 00:30:39,133
Speaker 6: a target and with nd and last year was one

514
00:30:39,213 --> 00:30:41,573
Speaker 6: of them. So yeah, to know that you get that

515
00:30:41,653 --> 00:30:44,773
Speaker 6: close and not really quite get over the line, it's

516
00:30:45,253 --> 00:30:47,533
Speaker 6: quite gutting. And we as a team said up to

517
00:30:47,613 --> 00:30:49,213
Speaker 6: know that, you know, this is something we wanted to

518
00:30:49,213 --> 00:30:51,253
Speaker 6: try and chase and the cricket we played out throughout

519
00:30:51,253 --> 00:30:54,653
Speaker 6: the whole year, like everyone's played amazing contributions throughout the

520
00:30:54,693 --> 00:30:57,133
Speaker 6: whole year and play their part and just been bloody

521
00:30:57,133 --> 00:30:59,293
Speaker 6: proud to be a part of this association of this

522
00:30:59,373 --> 00:31:02,853
Speaker 6: team to finally get over the line. No, you always

523
00:31:02,893 --> 00:31:06,053
Speaker 6: know at Junioval it's pretty tough to get work us

524
00:31:06,053 --> 00:31:08,733
Speaker 6: here and you have to graft and grind through it.

525
00:31:09,493 --> 00:31:10,333
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think just the.

526
00:31:10,253 --> 00:31:12,933
Speaker 6: Way we played and you know the smarts of it.

527
00:31:13,053 --> 00:31:16,933
Speaker 6: You know, JD has been an outstanding leader. Bj and

528
00:31:17,293 --> 00:31:20,293
Speaker 6: Finny the way they've coached this team has been outstanding.

529
00:31:20,373 --> 00:31:22,773
Speaker 6: So everybody knew their role, they know what they need

530
00:31:22,773 --> 00:31:25,933
Speaker 6: to do and I guess how to achieve it and yeah,

531
00:31:26,373 --> 00:31:28,573
Speaker 6: I mean yeah, it just hats off in credit to them.

532
00:31:28,613 --> 00:31:31,333
Speaker 6: And I don't think it's ever felt like yes in

533
00:31:31,373 --> 00:31:33,973
Speaker 6: the bag until I thought we needed three records or

534
00:31:33,973 --> 00:31:36,693
Speaker 6: so left so thinking hey, this is this is it,

535
00:31:36,733 --> 00:31:39,453
Speaker 6: that's the dream is going to come true and quite

536
00:31:39,613 --> 00:31:41,093
Speaker 6: quite nice, infitting way.

537
00:31:42,693 --> 00:31:45,573
Speaker 3: I think we miss out a lot on this plugget Shielder.

538
00:31:45,653 --> 00:31:47,813
Speaker 3: I watch it quite closely because of my involvement in

539
00:31:47,853 --> 00:31:50,093
Speaker 3: cricket to here in Wellington and some of the games

540
00:31:50,133 --> 00:31:53,933
Speaker 3: in the last round have been quite fantastic games of cricket.

541
00:31:54,053 --> 00:31:57,333
Speaker 3: Wellington beat Canterbury, they needed to beat them again and

542
00:31:57,413 --> 00:32:00,733
Speaker 3: have Northern Districts louse. They lost to Northern Districts and

543
00:32:01,133 --> 00:32:04,373
Speaker 3: Northern proved that they were the better side led by

544
00:32:04,613 --> 00:32:09,373
Speaker 3: Jeep Ravalen with Neil Wagner within their side. But the

545
00:32:09,813 --> 00:32:13,573
Speaker 3: domestic game at Plunkett Shield level, to my mind, should

546
00:32:13,653 --> 00:32:17,053
Speaker 3: have greater promotion in New Zealand. We can watch the

547
00:32:17,093 --> 00:32:21,493
Speaker 3: Australian final live on TV. You can't see any of

548
00:32:21,573 --> 00:32:24,413
Speaker 3: the New Zealand domestic game here in terms of the

549
00:32:24,413 --> 00:32:27,853
Speaker 3: first class game, and I think we should put more

550
00:32:27,893 --> 00:32:30,093
Speaker 3: in it. When you know, you talk about the stats,

551
00:32:30,373 --> 00:32:32,973
Speaker 3: we don't realize that there are players scoring you know,

552
00:32:33,053 --> 00:32:35,413
Speaker 3: seven and eight hundred runs in first class cricket in

553
00:32:35,413 --> 00:32:35,853
Speaker 3: New Zealand.

554
00:32:35,893 --> 00:32:41,293
Speaker 4: Jerry, Yeah, I really I'm lucky because I can go

555
00:32:41,773 --> 00:32:45,413
Speaker 4: over to England and watch for Surrey and commentate there.

556
00:32:45,933 --> 00:32:50,453
Speaker 4: Every county of the eighteen counties has ball by ball,

557
00:32:51,173 --> 00:32:56,053
Speaker 4: not just in radio but also in TV. They've got

558
00:32:56,213 --> 00:32:59,933
Speaker 4: cameras mounted at both ends of the game because you know,

559
00:32:59,973 --> 00:33:02,893
Speaker 4: the selectors like to review all the footage of all

560
00:33:02,933 --> 00:33:06,773
Speaker 4: the games, and that's what every county has, Yep. And

561
00:33:06,813 --> 00:33:10,933
Speaker 4: then they've also some of these, the more wealthy ones

562
00:33:11,213 --> 00:33:13,973
Speaker 4: have got two other ones both that sort of cover

563
00:33:14,093 --> 00:33:17,453
Speaker 4: and midwicket, so you get a kind of a decent

564
00:33:18,573 --> 00:33:23,733
Speaker 4: coverage with four cameras. And I just feel we could

565
00:33:23,853 --> 00:33:27,613
Speaker 4: we could certainly have ball by ball and then you

566
00:33:27,613 --> 00:33:31,573
Speaker 4: wouldn't have disc jockeys coming into some of the commentaries

567
00:33:32,053 --> 00:33:35,133
Speaker 4: as well. And so but do you know what I mean?

568
00:33:35,573 --> 00:33:39,973
Speaker 4: And so there's there's an ongoing, you know, flow of

569
00:33:40,133 --> 00:33:42,933
Speaker 4: commentators about the game because they're used to doing it

570
00:33:42,973 --> 00:33:46,213
Speaker 4: as well. That's what we had when we were all raised,

571
00:33:46,293 --> 00:33:50,973
Speaker 4: wasn't it. We We we all remember that sitting in

572
00:33:51,013 --> 00:33:55,973
Speaker 4: the caravan at Pukikura Park and those kinds of places

573
00:33:56,333 --> 00:33:59,053
Speaker 4: and Garth you down and you know, you down at

574
00:33:59,373 --> 00:34:03,413
Speaker 4: Molneu Park. So it's it's a shame that the that

575
00:34:03,533 --> 00:34:07,293
Speaker 4: New Zealand Cricket and radio have been unable to get

576
00:34:07,333 --> 00:34:12,693
Speaker 4: together in a way. I'm sure you know everywhere. I

577
00:34:12,733 --> 00:34:15,613
Speaker 4: think a lot of people would follow that actually, but

578
00:34:15,693 --> 00:34:18,693
Speaker 4: this yeah, Northern District's had five wins and three draws.

579
00:34:18,693 --> 00:34:22,493
Speaker 4: No one beat them Canterbury. Will they be disappointed? Gath?

580
00:34:22,573 --> 00:34:25,813
Speaker 4: I mean I looked down very quickly the list of

581
00:34:25,893 --> 00:34:28,853
Speaker 4: players and it kind of reads like a who's who.

582
00:34:29,573 --> 00:34:34,693
Speaker 4: I've experienced internationals and developing players, you know, bows and boil,

583
00:34:34,893 --> 00:34:38,293
Speaker 4: and then you've got folks. You've got Hey, you've got Henry,

584
00:34:38,293 --> 00:34:41,613
Speaker 4: you got Latham, you've got Mariu, you've got McClure, McConkie,

585
00:34:41,973 --> 00:34:46,653
Speaker 4: you've got Mitchell, you've got Nichols, O'Rourke, rippon Sody. I mean,

586
00:34:46,693 --> 00:34:50,973
Speaker 4: it's really should they have done better? Fellas?

587
00:34:52,373 --> 00:34:54,333
Speaker 2: And the answer is, I think you know, Peter fuldhen

588
00:34:54,413 --> 00:34:57,413
Speaker 2: the coach, would say yes, he's always helped them to

589
00:34:57,453 --> 00:34:59,693
Speaker 2: a high standard and they're performing. You know what Folks

590
00:34:59,813 --> 00:35:02,853
Speaker 2: is like, he's done some work on radio. Yeah, you know,

591
00:35:03,133 --> 00:35:05,493
Speaker 2: I think his answer would be absolutely they should have

592
00:35:05,493 --> 00:35:09,573
Speaker 2: done better. He sets a high bar. Yeah, but I

593
00:35:09,653 --> 00:35:12,453
Speaker 2: think that that tells you then possibly how well Northern

594
00:35:12,493 --> 00:35:15,493
Speaker 2: districts have done, and you know, good on them. I

595
00:35:15,493 --> 00:35:18,773
Speaker 2: think it's great to see these things moving around, you know,

596
00:35:18,773 --> 00:35:22,133
Speaker 2: I back thinking about the days when I mean there's

597
00:35:22,173 --> 00:35:25,413
Speaker 2: almost we're probably almost into half a generation of people

598
00:35:25,453 --> 00:35:27,973
Speaker 2: who would never have heard of first class game being

599
00:35:28,013 --> 00:35:32,173
Speaker 2: commentated in New Zealand now and of course possibly a generation.

600
00:35:32,333 --> 00:35:35,013
Speaker 2: Actually it's been so long since we did it, and

601
00:35:35,213 --> 00:35:37,373
Speaker 2: they don't find it hard to believe that every first

602
00:35:37,413 --> 00:35:40,893
Speaker 2: class game you know, we had you know, live commentary

603
00:35:41,013 --> 00:35:42,293
Speaker 2: was wonderful. What it's time to go?

604
00:35:43,133 --> 00:35:46,493
Speaker 3: Yes, it's just about time to go, gentlemen. The thing

605
00:35:46,493 --> 00:35:50,453
Speaker 3: about coaches, of course, of those three domestic sides, bj Watling,

606
00:35:51,013 --> 00:35:56,173
Speaker 3: Shane Jurgensen and Peter Fulton, the those that are going

607
00:35:56,213 --> 00:35:58,933
Speaker 3: to make up the leadership of our game in the

608
00:35:59,013 --> 00:36:01,053
Speaker 3: future surely, and I'm sure they'll be putting their names

609
00:36:01,053 --> 00:36:05,213
Speaker 3: forward along with Rob Walter for the job but of

610
00:36:05,333 --> 00:36:07,733
Speaker 3: coaching the New Zealand side, if there is a split.

611
00:36:08,373 --> 00:36:10,853
Speaker 3: Things to talk about. We haven't even got through some

612
00:36:11,133 --> 00:36:16,333
Speaker 3: of that material. But it's good to know that Jerry

613
00:36:16,493 --> 00:36:18,693
Speaker 3: is alive and well and ready to.

614
00:36:20,133 --> 00:36:20,493
Speaker 5: Join us.

615
00:36:20,733 --> 00:36:23,653
Speaker 4: About I'm not sure about Will. I'm not sure about

616
00:36:23,693 --> 00:36:30,693
Speaker 4: Will breathing. That's right and vaguely warm.

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00:36:30,933 --> 00:36:35,973
Speaker 3: Jerry and the pacemaker, Well.

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00:36:36,413 --> 00:36:38,893
Speaker 4: That's the next thing on the on the itemery.

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Speaker 3: Good Thanks Jerry once again, and thanks to you gart

620
00:36:43,253 --> 00:36:45,573
Speaker 3: to think too where here your work point of view

621
00:36:45,653 --> 00:36:48,053
Speaker 3: will talk to you again, I'm sure in the near future.

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Speaker 2: Good fun, guys.

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Speaker 4: Cheers, yep, cheers, cheers now, cheers Summer.

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