1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,547 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:11,747 Speaker 1: from Newstalk zed B. 3 00:00:12,707 --> 00:00:15,787 Speaker 2: Get you to Zimbabwe where the black Caps wrapped up 4 00:00:15,827 --> 00:00:19,827 Speaker 2: the first Test against Zimbabwe and Bulawayo by nine wickets 5 00:00:19,827 --> 00:00:23,587 Speaker 2: inside three days. The second Test to come. Bowling coach 6 00:00:23,787 --> 00:00:25,627 Speaker 2: Jacob borhams with us. Jacob want to talk a bit 7 00:00:25,627 --> 00:00:28,227 Speaker 2: about mat Henry actually, but what were your overall levels 8 00:00:28,227 --> 00:00:31,147 Speaker 2: of satisfaction as a coaching group after that? Very convincing 9 00:00:31,507 --> 00:00:32,507 Speaker 2: when in the first Test? 10 00:00:33,347 --> 00:00:34,427 Speaker 3: Are you very happy? 11 00:00:35,627 --> 00:00:38,987 Speaker 4: I thought we played pretty much for eighty ninety percent 12 00:00:39,027 --> 00:00:42,067 Speaker 4: of the game exactly the way we wanted to would 13 00:00:42,067 --> 00:00:44,787 Speaker 4: have been nice. We've got some more first settings run 14 00:00:45,307 --> 00:00:48,067 Speaker 4: from the position we were in, but not to be But 15 00:00:48,067 --> 00:00:51,307 Speaker 4: I thought we bought exceptionally well. We asked enough questions 16 00:00:51,307 --> 00:00:53,467 Speaker 4: of the Zimbabwe that is to make it hard for them, 17 00:00:53,707 --> 00:00:56,267 Speaker 4: and I think, you know, to get twenty wickets for 18 00:00:56,387 --> 00:00:58,587 Speaker 4: only three hundred and ten runs across those three days 19 00:00:58,587 --> 00:01:01,147 Speaker 4: shows the quality of our bowling and catching as well 20 00:01:01,187 --> 00:01:02,747 Speaker 4: and we're able to win comfortably. 21 00:01:02,787 --> 00:01:04,347 Speaker 3: So the coaches were very happy for sure. 22 00:01:04,747 --> 00:01:08,427 Speaker 2: How serious are the injury to Nathan Smith and will 23 00:01:08,467 --> 00:01:10,227 Speaker 2: I Rock? We didn't see Nathan Smith bowl at all 24 00:01:10,267 --> 00:01:11,867 Speaker 2: in the second innings. Will I Rock did for a 25 00:01:11,907 --> 00:01:15,907 Speaker 2: bit but then went off injured. How serious are those injuries? 26 00:01:16,547 --> 00:01:19,987 Speaker 4: Yeah, unfortunate. Nathan Smith isn't too good. I would say 27 00:01:20,067 --> 00:01:23,347 Speaker 4: he's doubtful for that second Test. But willow Rock We've 28 00:01:23,347 --> 00:01:25,507 Speaker 4: still got our fingers crossed obviously with a guy that 29 00:01:26,467 --> 00:01:29,467 Speaker 4: will add the height to start with, you know, that's 30 00:01:29,747 --> 00:01:33,107 Speaker 4: our long back along spine to handle. But he's so 31 00:01:33,147 --> 00:01:35,227 Speaker 4: important to us, not only in the short term but 32 00:01:35,267 --> 00:01:37,427 Speaker 4: the long term as well. We just need to be 33 00:01:37,467 --> 00:01:39,267 Speaker 4: careful and make sure we do the right thing for 34 00:01:39,347 --> 00:01:43,387 Speaker 4: will and sort of not put this second Test at 35 00:01:43,427 --> 00:01:45,587 Speaker 4: the forefront of mines and think we've got a huge 36 00:01:45,627 --> 00:01:49,267 Speaker 4: summer at home starting well well under two months away. 37 00:01:49,347 --> 00:01:51,067 Speaker 3: So we've got to make sure we look after him 38 00:01:51,067 --> 00:01:51,547 Speaker 3: because he. 39 00:01:51,547 --> 00:01:54,547 Speaker 4: Is vital to our prospects going forward. 40 00:01:54,707 --> 00:01:56,747 Speaker 2: I've been talking on the show this afternoon about Matt 41 00:01:56,787 --> 00:02:00,267 Speaker 2: Henry nine for ninety in this Test match, his second 42 00:02:00,307 --> 00:02:04,387 Speaker 2: best Test match bowling return. Can you talk a bit 43 00:02:04,427 --> 00:02:08,427 Speaker 2: about what you've seen Jacob from Henry in recent times 44 00:02:08,467 --> 00:02:10,467 Speaker 2: and his development as a Test bowler. 45 00:02:12,347 --> 00:02:15,787 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, look, I think if you rewind probably only 46 00:02:15,827 --> 00:02:18,987 Speaker 4: what two or three years he was carrying the drinks 47 00:02:18,987 --> 00:02:19,267 Speaker 4: a lot. 48 00:02:19,867 --> 00:02:20,107 Speaker 3: Yeah. 49 00:02:20,187 --> 00:02:23,027 Speaker 4: I think the thing with Matt Henry is he's able 50 00:02:23,067 --> 00:02:25,187 Speaker 4: to get some consistent playing time now and he's been 51 00:02:25,187 --> 00:02:27,547 Speaker 4: a regular in the test site for probably the last 52 00:02:27,587 --> 00:02:30,747 Speaker 4: two seasons, and you're seeing a guy who's just at 53 00:02:30,747 --> 00:02:32,707 Speaker 4: the peak of his game in terms of his skills, 54 00:02:33,667 --> 00:02:35,947 Speaker 4: the repertoire he has, the amount of deliveries he can bowl, 55 00:02:35,947 --> 00:02:38,387 Speaker 4: but also on top of that, he's an experienced level 56 00:02:38,387 --> 00:02:40,107 Speaker 4: there at his age, and the amount of cricket he's 57 00:02:40,107 --> 00:02:42,787 Speaker 4: played where he's able to, you know, to stay ahead 58 00:02:42,787 --> 00:02:44,467 Speaker 4: of the game and make the right call in terms 59 00:02:44,467 --> 00:02:46,867 Speaker 4: of what deliveries to bowl, what feels to set. 60 00:02:47,667 --> 00:02:50,467 Speaker 3: And at the moment he's nothing but for us. 61 00:02:50,667 --> 00:02:53,507 Speaker 2: Do you think he's bowling with more variation now or 62 00:02:53,507 --> 00:02:58,067 Speaker 2: do you just think he's bowling his existing repertoire more effectively. 63 00:02:59,867 --> 00:03:01,587 Speaker 3: Yeah, Look, I think it's probably a bit of both. 64 00:03:01,667 --> 00:03:04,147 Speaker 4: I think, you know, he's always working on his craft, 65 00:03:04,227 --> 00:03:06,587 Speaker 4: which is really awesome to watch from my position, you know, 66 00:03:06,627 --> 00:03:09,067 Speaker 4: and a lot of that is self driven, which again 67 00:03:09,147 --> 00:03:11,747 Speaker 4: I think shows the professional in him. 68 00:03:11,747 --> 00:03:14,027 Speaker 3: He's always looking for new slower balls or. 69 00:03:15,427 --> 00:03:18,467 Speaker 4: Just any sort of variation in his game, working on angles, 70 00:03:18,507 --> 00:03:21,387 Speaker 4: on the crease, shorter balls, full of balls, different lines, 71 00:03:22,987 --> 00:03:26,507 Speaker 4: so he's always working. But I think I think at 72 00:03:26,547 --> 00:03:30,347 Speaker 4: the moment it's everything is combining so nicely for Matt. 73 00:03:30,667 --> 00:03:33,147 Speaker 3: It's his consistency. 74 00:03:32,507 --> 00:03:35,587 Speaker 4: It's his delivery, it's the physical side of his game, 75 00:03:35,667 --> 00:03:37,627 Speaker 4: is fitness, and I think it's all coming together that 76 00:03:37,667 --> 00:03:39,387 Speaker 4: you've got a guy at the peak of his powers 77 00:03:40,347 --> 00:03:42,187 Speaker 4: and you know, fingers crossed he can stay on the 78 00:03:42,187 --> 00:03:45,187 Speaker 4: field for you know, as much as we needed throughout 79 00:03:45,187 --> 00:03:45,787 Speaker 4: a long summer. 80 00:03:45,947 --> 00:03:47,827 Speaker 2: Indeed, and of course he's had to buy his time, 81 00:03:47,867 --> 00:03:51,067 Speaker 2: hasn't he rightly? So behind you know, our best pace 82 00:03:51,227 --> 00:03:54,387 Speaker 2: bowling trio ever to sow They Trent Bolt, Neil Wagner. 83 00:03:54,827 --> 00:03:58,187 Speaker 2: He has got his opportunity now, has his effectiveness as 84 00:03:58,227 --> 00:04:01,067 Speaker 2: a Test bowler being really just a direct result of 85 00:04:01,147 --> 00:04:02,947 Speaker 2: playing more Test cricket. 86 00:04:04,267 --> 00:04:06,667 Speaker 4: I think it's probably the answer is yes. I mean, 87 00:04:06,747 --> 00:04:08,347 Speaker 4: he's always had the skills. 88 00:04:08,387 --> 00:04:09,947 Speaker 3: We know that. I mean he's been met. 89 00:04:09,947 --> 00:04:12,627 Speaker 4: Henry's been around now for a decade, so you know 90 00:04:13,267 --> 00:04:16,667 Speaker 4: that was identified way back and whatever it was twenty thirteen, 91 00:04:16,747 --> 00:04:17,547 Speaker 4: fourteen fifteen. 92 00:04:17,587 --> 00:04:20,107 Speaker 3: I don't know when he made his debut, but I 93 00:04:20,107 --> 00:04:20,707 Speaker 3: mean I know, he. 94 00:04:20,707 --> 00:04:22,987 Speaker 4: Was at the twenty fifteen World Cup at home summer 95 00:04:22,987 --> 00:04:25,627 Speaker 4: in New Zealand and Australia, so he's been around a 96 00:04:25,667 --> 00:04:28,787 Speaker 4: while but had to do his time behind the wagoners, 97 00:04:28,787 --> 00:04:29,907 Speaker 4: the sound he's the bolts. 98 00:04:30,627 --> 00:04:33,587 Speaker 3: But now he's got his charp o hands. 99 00:04:33,627 --> 00:04:35,347 Speaker 4: And I think you're seeing, as I said before, you're 100 00:04:35,347 --> 00:04:38,547 Speaker 4: seeing a guy whose skills are outed, but just getting 101 00:04:38,587 --> 00:04:40,667 Speaker 4: that opportunity to be on the field and lead the 102 00:04:40,707 --> 00:04:41,867 Speaker 4: attack day in day out. 103 00:04:42,947 --> 00:04:46,067 Speaker 3: It's coming to the fore. He's got leadership, he's got quality. 104 00:04:46,587 --> 00:04:48,827 Speaker 4: And just the ability to execute more of form than 105 00:04:48,867 --> 00:04:50,427 Speaker 4: not shows how good he is. 106 00:04:50,587 --> 00:04:53,747 Speaker 2: Yeah, he certainly is. Just a couple of other matters. 107 00:04:54,147 --> 00:04:56,867 Speaker 2: How you adjusting to a new coach. Obviously Gary Steed's 108 00:04:56,907 --> 00:04:59,747 Speaker 2: been at their home for a while now not there anymore. 109 00:04:59,827 --> 00:05:02,347 Speaker 2: Rob Walter is the new head coach. How you adjusting 110 00:05:02,347 --> 00:05:04,187 Speaker 2: to working alongside Rob Walter. 111 00:05:05,667 --> 00:05:08,467 Speaker 4: It's been a really seamless transition actually, which I think 112 00:05:08,547 --> 00:05:12,267 Speaker 4: is which is a great thing for myself as a coach, 113 00:05:12,307 --> 00:05:15,027 Speaker 4: but more importantly for the players as well. It hasn't 114 00:05:15,067 --> 00:05:19,707 Speaker 4: been that disruptive in terms of a necessarily, you know, 115 00:05:19,747 --> 00:05:23,187 Speaker 4: an outrageously different approach. He's very much appeared about the 116 00:05:23,267 --> 00:05:26,387 Speaker 4: environment and the culture, which is probably pretty cliches stuff. 117 00:05:26,427 --> 00:05:28,787 Speaker 4: But you know, he's come in and he's observed a lot. 118 00:05:28,867 --> 00:05:30,787 Speaker 4: I mean there are things obviously that he has talked 119 00:05:30,827 --> 00:05:34,307 Speaker 4: to us about and you know, little shifts here and there, 120 00:05:34,307 --> 00:05:36,987 Speaker 4: but he's come in and he's it's almost like status quo, 121 00:05:37,107 --> 00:05:38,987 Speaker 4: and I think that's a really good thing. I mean 122 00:05:39,027 --> 00:05:42,547 Speaker 4: that the team wasn't broken as such, so he's come 123 00:05:42,587 --> 00:05:44,987 Speaker 4: in and he's just added little bits and pieces where needed. 124 00:05:45,347 --> 00:05:47,547 Speaker 4: But I think I can see really positive signs for 125 00:05:47,667 --> 00:05:50,667 Speaker 4: us and he's brought some good stuff already and I 126 00:05:50,667 --> 00:05:52,147 Speaker 4: think only better things to come. 127 00:05:52,747 --> 00:05:55,067 Speaker 2: So and you talked about the busy home summer, but 128 00:05:55,227 --> 00:05:58,587 Speaker 2: it's busy really in terms of white ball cricket. The 129 00:05:58,587 --> 00:06:00,667 Speaker 2: only Test matches in the home summer are the three 130 00:06:00,707 --> 00:06:04,587 Speaker 2: against the West Indies, all in December, so nothing after Christmas. 131 00:06:05,147 --> 00:06:08,067 Speaker 2: Would you like to dearly and we know why you can't, 132 00:06:08,067 --> 00:06:11,187 Speaker 2: but would you ideally like to play more Test cricket 133 00:06:11,187 --> 00:06:11,427 Speaker 2: than that? 134 00:06:13,107 --> 00:06:13,787 Speaker 3: One hundred percent? 135 00:06:14,587 --> 00:06:17,427 Speaker 4: And if that's the SoundBite, that's great, But I think 136 00:06:17,427 --> 00:06:20,347 Speaker 4: if you asked any of the players or coaches, yeah, 137 00:06:20,387 --> 00:06:23,587 Speaker 4: we'd love to play or be involved I'm not playing obviously, 138 00:06:23,627 --> 00:06:26,667 Speaker 4: but be involved with more Test cricket. It is the 139 00:06:26,747 --> 00:06:31,387 Speaker 4: pinnacle of cricket, you know. I've just finished watching it 140 00:06:31,467 --> 00:06:34,507 Speaker 4: the days play India England over there in London, and 141 00:06:34,787 --> 00:06:37,827 Speaker 4: it's it's great television and we do enjoy playing it 142 00:06:37,827 --> 00:06:40,067 Speaker 4: and watching it and be involved in it. But like 143 00:06:40,107 --> 00:06:42,267 Speaker 4: you said, I understand the reasons why. You know, there's 144 00:06:42,267 --> 00:06:44,307 Speaker 4: a T twenty World Cup and a tour of India 145 00:06:44,347 --> 00:06:47,347 Speaker 4: before that January February, so it is what it is. 146 00:06:47,427 --> 00:06:51,307 Speaker 3: But you know, if the opportunity rises, and I'd love 147 00:06:51,307 --> 00:06:52,707 Speaker 3: for more Tests to be on the calendar. 148 00:06:52,747 --> 00:06:54,907 Speaker 4: Although I'm saying that we had nine in about what 149 00:06:55,587 --> 00:07:00,827 Speaker 4: three months last year through Sri Lanka, India and in 150 00:07:00,907 --> 00:07:03,267 Speaker 4: the home series against England, and then we've got quite 151 00:07:03,307 --> 00:07:07,507 Speaker 4: a big Test Dietony Australia as well, so that's specta all. 152 00:07:07,587 --> 00:07:08,747 Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah. 153 00:07:08,627 --> 00:07:10,227 Speaker 2: Good stuff, Jacob. Hey God to leave it there, mate, 154 00:07:10,267 --> 00:07:12,987 Speaker 2: but thanks for joining us. Jacob orum bowling coach for 155 00:07:13,267 --> 00:07:15,547 Speaker 2: the black Caps. Easy win in the first Test. Second 156 00:07:15,547 --> 00:07:19,427 Speaker 2: one starts on Thursday, same venue, Bulawayo, and just on 157 00:07:19,427 --> 00:07:21,987 Speaker 2: that England India series that's coming down to the wire. 158 00:07:22,507 --> 00:07:25,067 Speaker 2: Fifth Test, fifth and final Test England fifty for one. 159 00:07:25,067 --> 00:07:28,427 Speaker 2: It stumps on Day three, so two days to go. 160 00:07:28,747 --> 00:07:31,227 Speaker 2: They need another three hundred and twenty four to win. 161 00:07:32,507 --> 00:07:34,387 Speaker 2: That would give them a three to one series win. 162 00:07:34,707 --> 00:07:36,947 Speaker 2: India need nine wickets if there to win this one 163 00:07:36,987 --> 00:07:39,427 Speaker 2: and draw the series, so an exciting final couple of 164 00:07:39,547 --> 00:07:40,907 Speaker 2: days coming up over there. 165 00:07:41,427 --> 00:07:44,627 Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live 166 00:07:44,707 --> 00:07:48,027 Speaker 1: to News Talk sed B weekends from midday or follow 167 00:07:48,027 --> 00:07:49,667 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio