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Speaker 2: Hello you great New Zealanders, and welcome to Matt and

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Speaker 2: Tyler Afternoons podcast. The full show number eighty five for Wednesday,

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Speaker 2: the twelfth of March in the Year of Our Lord,

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. Stinky, old, slimy old media old show today.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, and you've got a decision to make when

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Speaker 3: you get home about your dirty, slimy meat box.

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Speaker 2: It's an absolutely delicious meat box from Holy Cow and Cambridge.

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Speaker 2: That's just the couriers screwed up and didn't deliver in time.

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Speaker 2: But I'm going to eat it out of respect for

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Speaker 2: the animals. We go some great advice from some great

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Speaker 2: New Zealanders out there coming around smelling meat. Also on

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Speaker 2: the show, a really really interesting chat about.

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Speaker 3: Should men pay on the first day and tell you what.

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Speaker 2: Wait to me here, Jennifer accused Tyler of being a

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Speaker 2: male chauveness pick.

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Speaker 3: Matt got ripped apart. It was glorious. She had a

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Speaker 3: great accent, she was from South Africa and she gave

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Speaker 3: it heaps.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that was There was a good chat and

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Speaker 2: procurement Chat before that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, good show.

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Speaker 2: And look you might hear you might think procurement chat

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Speaker 2: not that exciting.

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Speaker 3: You'd be wrong, wrong, Yeah, you'd be right.

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Speaker 3: Well, how do you do you? Welcome into the program

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Speaker 3: Wednesday afternoon, seven past one, Kid a.

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Speaker 2: Mats, get a Tyler, get everyone.

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Speaker 3: A big show today. Because it's Thursday. It's part about

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Speaker 3: us the Experts series. Gareth Abdenor is our employment law expert.

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Speaker 3: He will be joining us at three thirty taking your

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Speaker 3: calls and questions on anything to do.

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Speaker 2: I just pull you up on something. Oh yes, please

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Speaker 2: you hear some fake news there? Oh yeah, I'm here

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Speaker 2: to remove all fake news from the show. It's Wednesday.

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Speaker 3: Yeap, Oh what did I say? Thursday?

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Speaker 6: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Far out. It's been one of those weeks, man, one

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Speaker 3: of those weeks. Thank you because the abuse is going

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Speaker 3: to come through thick and fast. You'll abuse me and

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Speaker 3: I'm here for it.

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 3: That's what happens when you clock up on news talks.

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Speaker 3: Heb Tyler, you're close. You're only one day out. Thank

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Speaker 3: you mate, thank you. I really need to bear that.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. So Happy Wednesday afternoon. Hope you're doing well.

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Speaker 3: Welcome into the show, Gareth Hebton Nora after three point

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Speaker 3: thirty and as always it's a really popular segment, so

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Speaker 3: get in early. Teach your questions through nine two ninety

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Speaker 3: two and if you want to give Andrew a buzz on, oh,

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Speaker 3: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty will get you in

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Speaker 3: the queue.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you've got a problem in your workplace, he might

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Speaker 3: Yep, he's fantastic. So that's after three thirty. After three o'clock.

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Speaker 3: How long can you leave meat out of the fridge?

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Speaker 3: This is a personal story for you, Matt. You were

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Speaker 3: to meat delivery.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. We wanted to do this yesterday. We

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Speaker 2: so meat was delivered and one day courier a career

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Speaker 2: delivered it three days later.

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Speaker 2: Delicious steaks, sausages and lamb.

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Speaker 3: Yes, definitely. There was beautiful meat, the saucs on, but

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Speaker 2: So I mean, I think we've got to push these

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Speaker 2: everything I say, and I think that includes best by dates.

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Speaker 2: I think, question them, trust your sense of smell, and

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Speaker 3: Love it? That is after three o'clock, after two o'clock.

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Speaker 3: It's a story in the Herald, A Man's Guide to

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Speaker 2: You gotta pay. If if you're a man, you got

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Speaker 2: decrease if you don't pay, no matter what they say,

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Speaker 2: Don't even don't even enter into a conversation about of

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Speaker 2: course you pay. That's ridiculous and you should always pay

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Speaker 3: if you think that is true.

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Speaker 2: How weak it's weak not to pay?

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Speaker 3: Always pay, always pay. That is after two o'clock. But

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Speaker 3: right now, let's have a chat about proposed changes to

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Speaker 3: government procurement. So this, the government says, will make things

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Speaker 3: easier for New Zealand businesses to win government contracts, and

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Speaker 3: most of the changes you've got to argue makes some

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Speaker 3: So some of those rules quickly that are being pushed

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Speaker 3: companies purchase battery electric or hybrid electric vehicles, come on, yeah,

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Speaker 3: that makes sense, get out. Yeah, purchase office supplies that

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Speaker 3: produce low amounts of waste and or are recyclable. No, yeah, stupid.

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Speaker 3: And pay the living wage in contracts for cleaning, catering

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Speaker 2: Well, it's better that the contract comes to New Zealand

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Speaker 2: because you're being hamstrying by certain you know, things like

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Speaker 2: the living wage. Yeah, you know what if you're hiring

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Speaker 3: You're like this one, Matt build new non residential government

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Speaker 3: buildings to a five star rating standards that to get

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Speaker 2: We were talking about this a month ago when I

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Speaker 2: moving forward and realizing we don't have that much cash,

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Speaker 2: we have to stop going five star on everything. We

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Speaker 2: need to realize that we're not five star at the moment.

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Speaker 2: Maybe we can find our fight our way back to

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Speaker 2: be an economically five star country, but right now we

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Speaker 2: need to build some three stars. Yep, you know, that's

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Speaker 2: that's that's what we've got to do, you know, across

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Speaker 2: the board, just lower what everything is a little bit

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Speaker 2: in terms of how fancy and fantastic and a monument

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Speaker 3: Some nice motels rather than the Ritz Culton. Yeah, you

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Speaker 3: have the swimming pool but no gym.

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Speaker 2: So that's pretty harsh the five star standard.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but in the past there has been some very

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Speaker 3: expensive projects that have gone to overseas outfits. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Famously, in twenty twenty one, the IT sector was shocked

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Speaker 2: by decision to award a thirty eight million dollar contract

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Speaker 2: for online COVID nineteen vaccination systems to a consortium of

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Speaker 2: multi billionaire global giants including Salesforce and Amazon. And when

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Another one was walker called TAHI, the New Zealand

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Speaker 3: Transport Agency. So they announced two big tenders, one for

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Speaker 3: ticketing platform you'd remember this from two years ago, and

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Speaker 3: one for a toll road management program. Both went to

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Speaker 3: overseas companies. One point four billion dollar tender. Both of

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Speaker 2: So the advantage for New Zealand is if the government

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Speaker 2: spends here, you boost in New Zealand employment, you increase

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Speaker 2: local expertise, and in the perfect situation, you build up

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Speaker 2: industries to the point where we're exporting and we are

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Speaker 2: getting contracts overseas and the money stays here. Surely, what

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Speaker 2: is wrong with this eight hundred eighty ten eighty nine

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Speaker 2: two nine two What is wrong with the government skewing

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Speaker 2: things towards you know, skewing things towards going with New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: YAT love to hear from you, and if you have

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Speaker 3: picked up a contract by the government, love to hear

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Speaker 3: from you as well. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

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Speaker 2: So here's Nicholas Willison Hosking breakfast this morning.

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Speaker 9: Are there bigger firms in Australasia and in Asia? Sure

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Speaker 9: there are. But how do you become a bigger firm?

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Speaker 9: You actually get a few big contracts. You build up

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Speaker 9: your skill and your expertise over time. And that is

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Speaker 9: the case similar in the construction area or in many

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Speaker 9: other areas. It's actually getting the big government contracts sometimes

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Speaker 9: that allows a firm to get to an export size. Literally,

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Speaker 9: what we're doing is requiring every gauge agency that's using

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Speaker 9: public money that it must require that their suppliers, when

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Speaker 9: they're tendering for projects, must demonstrate how they will deliver

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Speaker 9: economic benefits to New Zealand. And agencies are required to

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Speaker 9: wait that as at least ten percent of how they

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Speaker 9: decide on the contract, and they must consider opportunities like

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Speaker 9: providing skills and training, employing workers here, paying taxes here,

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Speaker 9: developing New Zealand industry capabilities. And agencies need to demonstrate

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Speaker 9: when they've picked those contracts how they measured those things.

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Speaker 3: So there you go.

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Speaker 2: Yet the Finance Minister so immediately texts coming through on

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Speaker 2: nine two nine two. You want keys to do this work.

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Speaker 2: My goodness, they'll be here forever. They are so slow

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Speaker 2: and this text here in nine two ninety two, but

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Speaker 2: keiwis are useless, are well, Well, we're never going to

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Speaker 2: get better unless we invest in the industries that we have.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we're pretty good at it. Yeah, that was

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Speaker 2: an example. We could have done that, and then you

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Speaker 2: can build up, build up the industry, so then we

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Speaker 2: can scale up to be these companies that can keep

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Speaker 2: doing it. But if we keep just sending our money

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Speaker 2: overseas and not supporting our own industries, then they won't grow.

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Speaker 2: How will they grow? How will they grow if we

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Speaker 2: don't support them?

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Speaker 3: Yep, it's a great point. Oh, one hundred and eighty

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Speaker 3: ten eighty is the number to call. Nine two ninety

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Speaker 3: News Talks dead B, News Talks THEREB. It is eighteen

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Speaker 3: past one. We're talking about proposed changes to government procurement processes.

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Speaker 3: Arguably well, certainly too make it easier for New Zealand

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Speaker 3: firms too put a bit in for the tenders up

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Speaker 3: to fifty billion dollars of works that the government do.

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Speaker 2: It's currently very very arduous to put in one of

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Speaker 2: these tenders. I was reading somewhere, you know, could be

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Speaker 2: three weeks, twenty people working for three weeks on your

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Speaker 2: in there, to be in the conversation to get it. Currently,

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Speaker 2: there's seventy one rules that agencies must follow when tender contracts,

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Speaker 2: and the government's looking to reduce those to forty seven.

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Speaker 2: So have you ever been involved in that, Have you

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Speaker 2: ever involved in tending the government? And how did it go?

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Speaker 3: Did you get it, did you not get it?

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Speaker 2: And what of these ones? Do you not agree with

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Speaker 2: the government's proposing to dispense with these requirements. If you're

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Speaker 2: looking at those seventy one requirements, these are some of

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Speaker 2: the ones the government's trying to get rid of. Build

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Speaker 2: new non residential government buildings to a five star rating

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Speaker 2: standard include questions and their tender documentation about the skills,

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Speaker 2: development and training practices of the supplier and their subcontractors

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Speaker 2: purchase battery electrical hybrid vehicles. That's interesting that one. Now

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Speaker 2: that people are on the left, haight elon Musk has

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Speaker 2: everyone turned against dvs now? So yeah, I get yeah,

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Speaker 2: some people seem to be turning them violently. Purchase office

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Speaker 2: supplies that produce low amounts of waste and or recyclable

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Speaker 2: and this just seems like a bunch of stuff you're

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Speaker 2: layering onto. People pay the living wage and contracts for cleaning,

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Speaker 2: catering and security guard services. Do you disagree with removing

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Speaker 2: any of those from the procurement requirements when tendering for

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Speaker 8: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

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Speaker 3: to call. Nine two nine two. And if you've been

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Speaker 3: involved in the government tender, love to hear from you. MOI,

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Speaker 3: how are you this afternoon?

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Speaker 10: I'm good, Thank you, I'm good. My texts are totally

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Speaker 10: off the side. Comment about the five stund but yeah,

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Speaker 10: oh you.

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Speaker 3: Went on a tour of the CRRL tunnel yesterday, Is

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Speaker 3: that right?

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Speaker 10: I did, I did so. I was very fortunate to

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Speaker 10: nonetheless it was a fantastic tour. But omg, the products

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Speaker 10: are you who is absolutely I'm thinking, how can we

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Speaker 10: ceilings and everything. They look like timbers. They were made

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Speaker 10: of aluminium and they looked like timber Dick, they went't timber,

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Speaker 10: And I was thinking, how can we afford all of this?

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Speaker 10: This is this is absolutely nuts and it's only two

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Speaker 10: I'm just thinking it doesn't surprise me. Were we are

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Speaker 10: so over budget and yes, very delayed.

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Speaker 2: That's interesting. So you went on a tour of the

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Speaker 2: so impressed with what they've done that you were unimpressed

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Speaker 10: Basically essentially essentially, I mean, if we're fill and money

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Speaker 10: We're in bill dollars through of and its like this

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Speaker 10: is absolutely nuts. So yeah, I just I mean, if

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Speaker 10: absolutely amazing. You have thirty lines. It looks like Spaghuty junction,

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Speaker 10: but that it is so efficient, nothing fancy, just tiles.

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Speaker 10: Everything was so clean, just simple products, you know, doesn't

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Speaker 10: cost the earth and they do things really quickly and

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Speaker 3: It's a fair point. Boy. So do you think for

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Speaker 3: some of these big projects that perhaps it's not wise

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Speaker 10: Yeah, we could easily do if they scale down the

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Speaker 10: project project, we could hire New Zealand fans to do that.

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Speaker 10: We don't need over the top products, you know, we

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Speaker 10: just need something simple. I mean, New Zealand is more

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Speaker 10: with our milding heritage and all of that. But sometimes

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Speaker 10: simple is just better and we need that for our economy.

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Speaker 10: We can't be always over brageic, and we can't be

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Speaker 10: over delayed, constantly delayed in all our projects. Yeah, keep

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Speaker 3: Say, yeah, I agree.

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Speaker 2: It should just be functional rather than a monument to

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Speaker 2: people's egos so they can say I've built this amazing, beautiful. Absolutely,

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Speaker 2: it's like toys. It's like we all want to have

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Speaker 2: the best. We want to you know, like as if

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Speaker 2: You know, you can spend fifty thousand dollars on the

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Speaker 2: but it doesn't work any better. It just looks better, correct.

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Speaker 10: And the thing is you're walking through the tunnel. You're

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Speaker 10: you're absolutely right.

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Speaker 3: Moy, great to chat with you. Thank you very much

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Speaker 3: for giving us a buzz. So what do you think

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Speaker 3: that we go five star when we don't have the money.

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Speaker 3: We should be going as moy said, maybe three point

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Speaker 3: five star. Nothing wrong with three point five star. But

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Speaker 3: when you talk about legacy projects, I hate that word

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Speaker 3: legacy in there, because you're right. It is just a

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Speaker 3: legacy for someone to leave behind and that's not how

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Speaker 2: Well, i'll tell you what the City rail Link as

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Speaker 2: year to operate and maintain. So you'd hope it's very

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Speaker 2: very very flash.

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Speaker 3: It better be very very flash.

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Speaker 2: But I'm pretty sure they could have made a stripped

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Speaker 2: back three point five star version that would have been

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Speaker 2: just as good. But yeah, I mean that that has

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Speaker 2: been built by the Link Alliance, which includes six New

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Speaker 3: That one yeah, oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty is

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Speaker 3: the number of cour plenty of texts coming through about

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Speaker 3: the changes to government procurement. If you've been involved, love

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Speaker 3: to hear from you. Is this going to make any

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Speaker 3: to the top of that list? Nine to nine tools

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Speaker 3: the text number it is twenty five past one.

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Speaker 1: Digging into the issues that affect you the My Hosking Breakfast.

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Speaker 12: I thought it might be fun to talk about school

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Speaker 12: lunches because the media has ignored the subject for far

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Speaker 12: too long. Of course, if you went and hired mister Cheepos,

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Speaker 12: back to bite you in the bum, that's on you,

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Speaker 12: isn't it if.

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Speaker 13: It actually it hasn't. What we've done is overcome problems

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Speaker 12: Problems because you went with the cheapest person in town

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Speaker 12: who was always going to cause you problems, because that's

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Speaker 12: what chief people do. Back tomorrow at six am, the

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Speaker 12: mic asking breakfast with Mayley's real Estate Newstalk ZB.

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon. We're talking about changes to government procurement, proposed

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Speaker 3: changes to make it easier for New Zealand firms to

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Speaker 3: get tenders and contracts. Love to hear from you on

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Speaker 3: OL eight hundred eighty ten eighty if you've been involved

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Speaker 3: in that process. Sounds very arduous, So love to hear

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Speaker 3: how you got on with that. Nine to nine toil

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Speaker 2: So back to why things like we're talking about the

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Speaker 2: city rail Link, and Weir rang up and said she'd

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Speaker 2: just been walking through it. She said it was incredibly

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Speaker 2: so Sylvia says, it's because it's government money that people

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Speaker 3: Yep, thank you very much for that. Anne. How are

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Speaker 15: Thanks? How you guys?

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Speaker 3: Now you've got an example of some good spending.

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Speaker 15: Priority, it's some sensible spending. Erica Stanford Education. She's getting

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Speaker 15: rid of all this bespoke architecture that we had for

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Speaker 15: six years. And one of the high schools in Wellington

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Speaker 2: Wow, now that is that is impressive. And it was.

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Speaker 15: On the radio the other day, and it's because they

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Speaker 15: enough for some of the jobs. The smaller jobs, yes,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but what about let's say if you go the

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Speaker 7: You know what if we have.

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Speaker 15: A joint international New Zealand contract.

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Speaker 3: Partnership, and that's something I don't.

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Speaker 15: Mean ta, I mean people that actually know what they're doing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but if you go yeah, so if you go

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Speaker 2: back to that twenty twenty two New Zealand Transport Agency,

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Speaker 2: there's two big tenders for one point four billion dollars nationwide.

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Speaker 2: It all both went overseas. It does seem crazy that

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Speaker 2: in the solution, you know, and rather.

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Speaker 3: Than awarding them to all of it.

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Speaker 2: You know, so even if we and you know, you

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Speaker 2: might have to upscill maybe there's there's the big companies

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Speaker 2: whatever that they have to do the line's hare of something.

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Speaker 2: But surely you should.

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Speaker 7: Be looking to get at school.

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Speaker 15: You're talking about people learning on the job.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's the best way up school.

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Speaker 15: And then you want to drive on that road or

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Speaker 15: walk into that building with someone that's been upskilling how

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Speaker 15: to do a three storied concrete block building.

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Speaker 2: Well, they get inspected, imagine and also by the council.

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Speaker 15: We won't go down that tree.

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Speaker 2: Well I think you can. I mean roads, yeah, roads

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Speaker 2: I mean there's lots of New Zealand companies that can

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Speaker 2: build roads.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. And coming to Pritch just quickly coming from christ Chuche,

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Speaker 3: I've seen international companies cock up some of those infrastructure

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Speaker 3: projects right royally. It's not just New Zealand firms, you know,

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Speaker 3: figuring it out on the job.

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Speaker 2: A lot of we want New Zealand firms cocking it up,

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Speaker 2: not international firms.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, as long as they get the money.

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Speaker 15: Dyllan firms clcking it up twice the plumbers and guests

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Speaker 15: that is board have had to have another firm remove

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Speaker 15: a guest fire from houses are owned because they were

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Speaker 15: not put in safely. I've had a builder that was

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Speaker 15: penalized because not installing double glazing correctly. He gave me

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Speaker 15: a leaky home.

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Speaker 3: Well, you have been stung by that, and no doubt.

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Speaker 15: No, I'm one of the few people that actually go

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Speaker 15: to the board and make a formal complaint. Have I

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Speaker 15: lived in Australia for a couple of years and they

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Speaker 15: do it well, twenty years they do it over there.

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Speaker 15: New Zealanders have a different attitude. I mentioned to someone

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Speaker 15: at workers making a complaint and their reaction was, oh,

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Speaker 15: and he won't like you.

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Speaker 3: Well and thank you very much, And you've sparked up

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Speaker 3: say it how it is. Thank you very much. Right

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Speaker 3: coming up, we're going to take more of your phone

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Speaker 3: calls and love to hear from you on eight hundred

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Speaker 3: chat to Catherine Bead she is the director of Advocacy

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Rayleen, and we are talking about

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Speaker 3: proposed changes to procurement rules to make it easier for

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Speaker 3: New Zealand businesses to excuse me for government tenders. On

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Speaker 3: the phone right now is Catherine Beach he's the director

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Speaker 3: of Advocacy at Business end Z. Very good afternoon to you, Catherine.

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Speaker 7: Good afternoon, Catherine.

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Speaker 2: How hard is it for a New Zealand company to

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Speaker 2: win a government contract?

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Speaker 11: Look, it can be very challenging, particularly for small to

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Speaker 11: medium sized businesses.

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Speaker 7: And I couldn't tell you.

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Speaker 11: How many explorers I've spoken to that I have success

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Speaker 11: internationally in selling their goods or services, but they can't

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Speaker 11: actually sell here to our government at home. So yeah,

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Speaker 11: this is a hugely important move and we're big advocates

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Speaker 11: for it.

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Speaker 2: Is that because you know, the hoops you've got to

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Speaker 2: go through to get one of these contracts is so expensive,

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Speaker 2: take so many people and so long, and only really

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Speaker 2: really giant companies have the bandwidth to do that.

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Speaker 11: Look, that's definitely part of the challenge. It's expensive to

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Speaker 11: enter into tenders and typically if there's just one that's

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Speaker 11: going to take the price, then all the others have

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Speaker 11: put a lot of time and energy into sunk costs

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Speaker 11: really that they can't recover. So that's definitely one of

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Speaker 11: the issues. But I think also, you know, we've had

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Speaker 11: a bit of a least cost mentality in government procurement,

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Speaker 11: so you just buy the cheap buy on the cheapest price,

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Speaker 11: and that doesn't take into account quality.

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Speaker 7: Or local support and servicing.

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Speaker 11: So we've advocated, you know, they should be looking at

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Speaker 11: the whole life value of what they're buying.

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Speaker 3: Clearly is a step in the right direction, as you say, Catherine,

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Speaker 3: But going from seventy one rules to forty seven rules,

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Speaker 3: forty seven rules still sounds like a very big number.

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Speaker 3: Is there still more work to do here?

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Speaker 11: Do you think it does sound like a big number,

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Speaker 11: doesn't it?

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Speaker 7: And I think the difficulty with the rules, to.

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Speaker 11: Be frank is you can have a bunch of rules

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Speaker 11: that say things that we think sound good, but how

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Speaker 11: do you actually get procurement managers at the cold face

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Speaker 11: to interpret those rules and you know, do the right

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Speaker 11: thing by key businesses. So I think the approach that

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Speaker 11: they're outlining looks a lot better to me that a

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Speaker 11: procurement manager would be required to do the economic benefit test,

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Speaker 11: and I think that'll just put it to the front

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Speaker 11: of their mind, you know, what jobs could be created,

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Speaker 11: how much tax will this company pay, and sort of

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Speaker 11: factor that into their decision making.

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Speaker 2: Do they need any rules at all?

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Speaker 11: Look, I think you do need some rules and some

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Speaker 11: of the rules are about just good hygien factors, you know,

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Speaker 11: so how to be fair and transparent with procurement and

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Speaker 11: and you know, I don't think any of this is

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Speaker 11: intended to shut out international participants in our.

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Speaker 7: Supply chains, because we need them.

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Speaker 11: As well, but it might encourage them to team up

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Speaker 11: with local businesses for that tier two or Tier three

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Speaker 11: level supplier.

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Speaker 3: Do you know how we compare to other comparable countries

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Speaker 3: in terms of those government tenders. Do we make it

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Speaker 3: a lot harder than other countries to support our own businesses?

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Speaker 7: I think absolutely we do.

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Speaker 11: So the team Business New Zealand had a look at

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Speaker 11: some other countries and how they approach it. We looked

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Speaker 11: to Australia, we looked at Canada and the United Kingdom,

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Speaker 11: and they all have much more proactive ways of ensuring

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Speaker 11: that their local businesses get a fair you know, a

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Speaker 11: fair go at winning some of that business.

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Speaker 7: They're much more proactive.

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Speaker 11: I think New Zealand's always you know.

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Speaker 7: Probably tilted to the other directions. I think this will

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Speaker 7: be a good change.

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Speaker 2: Of waiting the cost towards New Zealand companies when you

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Speaker 2: take into account, you know, the ability to bub you know,

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Speaker 2: build companies in New Zealand and you know the tax

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Speaker 2: advantages and all that kind of stuff. How much do

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Speaker 2: you think it should be weighted in the cost?

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Speaker 3: Is it ten?

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Speaker 11: Look, I think that's a be interesting. The submissions are open,

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Speaker 11: and I hope that a lot of businesses put submissions in.

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Speaker 11: We certainly will be I think, you know, maybe ten

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Speaker 11: or twenty I think, you know, you have to be

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Speaker 11: fair to the buying agency and to the taking care

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Speaker 11: of tax payer money, that there has to be a

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Speaker 11: good process that they go through. But I think, you know,

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Speaker 11: giving a ten or twenty percent waiting to the local

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Speaker 11: business will just bring it to the procurement manager's attention.

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Speaker 11: It means that they kind of have to evaluate it.

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Speaker 11: So I think just it's getting getting the business the

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Speaker 11: local businesses on those people's radars. They still have to

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Speaker 11: compete with every on the other eighty points or ninety points,

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Speaker 11: so I think that keeps it.

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Speaker 7: All on us.

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Speaker 11: But I think it'll just really mean procurement managers have

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Speaker 11: to look at local and at least give them good consideration.

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Speaker 2: As a sort of a chicken and egg thing, we

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Speaker 2: don't support local businesses so they don't have the scale

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Speaker 2: so then we don't use them.

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Speaker 7: Absolutely.

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Speaker 11: Look, it's fifty one billion dollars spend. I've long argued

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Speaker 11: that how do we grow bigger companies in New Zealand

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Speaker 11: on the five million population, that's super difficult. We need

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Speaker 11: our businesses to get into bigger projects, to have the

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Speaker 11: confidence to invest in people, in plant and equipment. How

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Speaker 11: do you do that? You get them involved in bigger projects.

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Speaker 11: Who does bigger projects? That's central government?

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Speaker 3: Catherine, Thank you very much for your time this afternoon.

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Speaker 3: Really appreciate it.

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Speaker 7: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: That is Catherine be a director of advocacy a business

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Speaker 3: in z Clearly a lot of support from business and

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Speaker 3: Z's on these proposed changes.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the thing is cheapest, the best value? Are

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Speaker 2: they the same thing as cheapest and best value the

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Speaker 2: same thing?

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Speaker 3: They're not.

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Speaker 2: No, And so you're seeing, you know, governments are procuring

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Speaker 2: the cheapest. But that's that's only a very small part

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Speaker 2: of it, especially if you know with what can looking

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Speaker 2: at the whole of the New Zealand economy and the

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Speaker 2: idea that.

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Speaker 3: We need to grow.

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Speaker 2: So you know, maybe the cheapest on a line, but

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Speaker 2: not the best value overall for the country.

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Speaker 3: But on that last point, on that last question you asked,

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Speaker 3: that's it in a nutshout right. If we want the

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Speaker 3: capability and expertise and the ability to grow our firms

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Speaker 3: here and compete on the international stage, we're going to

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Speaker 3: be supporting them with some of this fifty one billion dollars.

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Speaker 3: It's our money. Yeah, we should give it to our people. Exactly. Oh,

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Speaker 3: one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

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Speaker 3: It is seventeen to two to two.

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Speaker 1: The issues that affect you, and a bit of fun

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Speaker 1: along the way. Matt and Taylor afternoons with the Volvo

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Speaker 1: XC eighty Innovation, style and design, have it all talk said.

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon. We're talking about changes proposed changes to government

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Speaker 3: procurement rules making it easier for New Zealand firms to

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Speaker 3: bid for government tenders.

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Speaker 2: This text from Harry says Matt and Tyler, it's far

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Speaker 2: better bang for your bucks supporting local businesses who will

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Speaker 2: employ local staff and reduce the doll line. This coalition

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Speaker 2: of clowns is filled with public servants, builders and all

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Speaker 2: trades by stopping home building. Thank you for your text, Harry. Hey, guys,

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Speaker 2: it won't make any difference to procurement because all the

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Speaker 2: international companies do is set up a New Zealand company,

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Speaker 2: they still win the tenders because they are the biggest.

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Speaker 2: And this is talking about the city rail and Go

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Speaker 2: and Google the subway system in Russia. It's always easy

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Speaker 2: to spend other people's money.

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Speaker 3: Boy, the subway system.

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Speaker 2: I've seen some shots of some parts of the subway

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Speaker 2: system Russia, and I'm pretty sure this is a standard.

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Speaker 2: But I've seen some shots with chandeliers. Oh really some

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Speaker 2: pretty boogie stuff over there. But that might just be

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Speaker 2: the ones we see. Just look at how on budget

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Speaker 2: and on rogan projects in New Zealand are Christich Stadium

648
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Speaker 2: to Needn Dental School? Why carry prison? All spring to

649
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Speaker 2: mind Australian builders who have hit our pockets hard by

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Speaker 2: playing hardball on the game.

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Speaker 3: Yeah that's thank you for your text there, very good text.

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Speaker 3: Keep those coming through on nine two, nine to two, Cam,

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Speaker 3: How are you this afternoon?

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Speaker 17: Yeah?

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Speaker 18: Good?

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Speaker 3: Now you want to have a chat about the health

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Speaker 3: and safety aspects of government tendering.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, well, like I've worked in the petro chemical industry

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Speaker 14: for twenty years now and you know, have have worked

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Speaker 14: pretty closely with help and safety. Like I think petric

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Speaker 14: Chemical's probably been ahead of the game in terms of

662
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Speaker 14: you know, working within the Act and all the regulations

663
00:32:52,093 --> 00:32:54,613
Speaker 14: and stuff that come along with it. Now, whether you

664
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Speaker 14: agree with how it works or not, it's kind of

665
00:32:56,733 --> 00:33:00,493
Speaker 14: a relevant. The actors the Act and a lot of

666
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Speaker 14: the governments and those bigger corporations that would normally hire

667
00:33:05,173 --> 00:33:10,053
Speaker 14: people have obligations under the under the Act, you know,

668
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Speaker 14: to protect workers and all the rest of it. And

669
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Speaker 14: so you know, those small to medium businesses if they

670
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Speaker 14: don't have an understanding of the Act and how to

671
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Speaker 14: comply with the regulations, which is really hard, Like we

672
00:33:21,613 --> 00:33:24,653
Speaker 14: have whole departments dedicated to it at the place that

673
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Speaker 14: I work moment, you just you're not going to be

674
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Speaker 14: able to fulfill your obligations and so you can't actually

675
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Speaker 14: you know, meet the requirements that the government might have

676
00:33:35,333 --> 00:33:36,733
Speaker 14: under those Act regulations.

677
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Speaker 2: Right, so you just sort of the reporting and the

678
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Speaker 2: running of the whole thing the governmental admin around the

679
00:33:44,653 --> 00:33:45,693
Speaker 2: project once you get it.

680
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Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, it's not even that like when you when

681
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Speaker 14: you put your tender on, like I would imagine, like

682
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Speaker 14: I know that you know, for the petrochemical companies, there's

683
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Speaker 14: a there's a section and the tender which sort of

684
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Speaker 14: describes how you're going to operate in a safe manner

685
00:34:01,413 --> 00:34:05,333
Speaker 14: while you're working at at at the petrochemical plant. The

686
00:34:05,373 --> 00:34:09,053
Speaker 14: government's are the same, and you know, are only doing

687
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Speaker 14: that because they're liable if something goes wrong for a

688
00:34:11,733 --> 00:34:14,093
Speaker 14: lot of stuff, like if you can't prove the person

689
00:34:14,133 --> 00:34:16,213
Speaker 14: that you hired was going to do the job safely,

690
00:34:16,773 --> 00:34:19,853
Speaker 14: you're liable if they may have an accident, neither hurt

691
00:34:19,853 --> 00:34:22,853
Speaker 14: themselves or someone else or anything like that. So you know,

692
00:34:23,533 --> 00:34:26,053
Speaker 14: they have to protect themselves. But it's not something you

693
00:34:26,053 --> 00:34:28,133
Speaker 14: can just go, oh, well, we shouldn't do that. You know,

694
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Speaker 14: it's a requirement. They have to do it to protect

695
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Speaker 14: themselves financially and also, you know, so they don't hurt someone.

696
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Speaker 14: Which makes it really really hard for a small business

697
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Speaker 14: person who's just getting into it because I never had

698
00:34:41,573 --> 00:34:43,853
Speaker 14: much to do with the Act, but like, there's a

699
00:34:43,893 --> 00:34:47,093
Speaker 14: lot of stuff in there. It's very long, very cumbersome,

700
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Speaker 14: and to understand it is you know, years of doing

701
00:34:50,813 --> 00:34:52,773
Speaker 14: various courses and learning and all the rest of it.

702
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Speaker 14: So those small business guys just can't compete with the

703
00:34:55,893 --> 00:34:58,933
Speaker 14: bigger companies that already have all of that stuff in place,

704
00:34:59,733 --> 00:35:02,732
Speaker 14: because once you've got it too. It's not too bad

705
00:35:02,773 --> 00:35:04,413
Speaker 14: to sort of put it all together for a job

706
00:35:04,493 --> 00:35:06,733
Speaker 14: or whatever. But if you don't know anything about it,

707
00:35:06,813 --> 00:35:09,613
Speaker 14: you've sent thousands of dollars just trying to figure out

708
00:35:09,653 --> 00:35:14,373
Speaker 14: what has an ID form looks like or something like that. Yeah, yeah,

709
00:35:14,373 --> 00:35:16,613
Speaker 14: it makes it makes for the small guy to compete there.

710
00:35:17,173 --> 00:35:19,333
Speaker 2: Well, one of the one of the governments, one of

711
00:35:19,413 --> 00:35:22,133
Speaker 2: the rules they're posing proposing to dispense with and the

712
00:35:22,173 --> 00:35:25,493
Speaker 2: tenuing process is that you have to include questions in

713
00:35:25,533 --> 00:35:28,573
Speaker 2: the tender documentation about the skills development and training practices

714
00:35:28,853 --> 00:35:33,093
Speaker 2: of the supplier and their subcontractors. Is that is that

715
00:35:33,213 --> 00:35:34,933
Speaker 2: kind of what you're talking about? So you then you

716
00:35:34,973 --> 00:35:37,293
Speaker 2: then have to vouch for everyone that you are going

717
00:35:37,333 --> 00:35:41,453
Speaker 2: to hire to work with you on the on the project.

718
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Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, I didn't realize that was one of the

719
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Speaker 14: rules are dispensing was Like, again, whether you agree with

720
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Speaker 14: it or not, I think that opens them up to

721
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Speaker 14: a febital liability under the Act. Like there's there's a

722
00:35:53,813 --> 00:35:57,453
Speaker 14: part where you know, the person who has secured the

723
00:35:57,493 --> 00:36:00,853
Speaker 14: contract is responsible for making sure that the people who

724
00:36:00,893 --> 00:36:03,293
Speaker 14: are doing it know how to do it safely. How

725
00:36:03,333 --> 00:36:07,772
Speaker 14: do you do that without proving their qualifications.

726
00:36:07,853 --> 00:36:10,373
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I go to work, Yeah, and I get

727
00:36:10,413 --> 00:36:12,333
Speaker 3: your point. Cam. You know, those big guys have the

728
00:36:12,333 --> 00:36:15,453
Speaker 3: in house health and safety division, and some of those

729
00:36:15,493 --> 00:36:18,413
Speaker 3: people are on two hundred thousand plus a year. A

730
00:36:18,493 --> 00:36:20,973
Speaker 3: small guys just can't employ someone like that, you know,

731
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Speaker 3: if you've got if you're running a team of say fifteen,

732
00:36:24,173 --> 00:36:26,693
Speaker 3: that's just too small to be able to spend that

733
00:36:26,773 --> 00:36:28,692
Speaker 3: sort of Yeah, but no, it's a fair point.

734
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Speaker 14: It's even worse than that as well, because if you

735
00:36:33,493 --> 00:36:35,533
Speaker 14: understand the act and how long it takes to get

736
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Speaker 14: things done, Like yo, you put a tender in and

737
00:36:38,333 --> 00:36:40,573
Speaker 14: you say, oh, this job will take twenty hours, but

738
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Speaker 14: you haven't allowed for the ten hours of stand down

739
00:36:43,093 --> 00:36:45,373
Speaker 14: like waiting for permits, or waiting for someone to sign

740
00:36:45,453 --> 00:36:49,333
Speaker 14: off a excavation permit, or waiting for someone to sign

741
00:36:49,333 --> 00:36:53,013
Speaker 14: off hasard reallocation form. You know, like there's all these

742
00:36:53,053 --> 00:36:56,253
Speaker 14: little minus that you just wouldn't understand. So then you

743
00:36:56,293 --> 00:36:58,172
Speaker 14: put your tender into your twenty hours, you get paid

744
00:36:58,173 --> 00:36:59,853
Speaker 14: for twenty hours, but you were there for forty so

745
00:36:59,893 --> 00:37:03,053
Speaker 14: then they lose money Anyway's yeah, it's a bit of

746
00:37:03,053 --> 00:37:05,493
Speaker 14: a minefield, and I think that has a huge impact

747
00:37:05,533 --> 00:37:07,453
Speaker 14: on how smaller guys could.

748
00:37:07,253 --> 00:37:09,253
Speaker 3: Actually get in for that sort of I think if

749
00:37:09,333 --> 00:37:12,253
Speaker 3: you call cam, yeah, great call, and it makes a

750
00:37:12,453 --> 00:37:15,533
Speaker 3: very fair point, isn't It's complex. Clearly changes need to happen,

751
00:37:15,533 --> 00:37:17,693
Speaker 3: and that's what the government are proposing. But when it

752
00:37:17,733 --> 00:37:20,773
Speaker 3: comes to the likes of proving that you your guys

753
00:37:21,093 --> 00:37:23,333
Speaker 3: are going to abide by health and safety legislation, of

754
00:37:23,333 --> 00:37:24,133
Speaker 3: course you can say that.

755
00:37:24,173 --> 00:37:28,973
Speaker 2: But safety sift, safety, safety obsessed society. Yeah, just getting

756
00:37:28,973 --> 00:37:30,573
Speaker 2: safer and safer and safer and safer and safe and

757
00:37:30,613 --> 00:37:32,733
Speaker 2: safe from safe safe. Have it to the point where

758
00:37:32,733 --> 00:37:35,652
Speaker 2: we reach absolute zero and nothing moves at all?

759
00:37:35,813 --> 00:37:38,413
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly right. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten

760
00:37:38,453 --> 00:37:39,933
Speaker 3: eighty is the number to call. Nine two nine two

761
00:37:39,973 --> 00:37:41,692
Speaker 3: is the TIXS number. It is eight two to two.

762
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Speaker 1: Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred

763
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Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty Matt and Taylor Afternoon with the

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Speaker 1: Volvo XC ninety Tick every box a seamless experience awaits

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Speaker 1: News Talk.

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Speaker 3: ZB news talk Z be Good afternoon. Some great ticks

767
00:38:00,493 --> 00:38:04,053
Speaker 3: have come through on the proposed changes to government procurement.

768
00:38:04,373 --> 00:38:06,973
Speaker 3: Guys studying a company and getting it up and running

769
00:38:07,013 --> 00:38:10,013
Speaker 3: in New Zealand is getting more more challenging with extra

770
00:38:10,093 --> 00:38:14,493
Speaker 3: rules and regulations reporting not to mention our tank system

771
00:38:14,493 --> 00:38:17,812
Speaker 3: around provisional tanks on money you haven't even earned yet.

772
00:38:17,853 --> 00:38:19,693
Speaker 3: And then there's the health and safety as can mentioned,

773
00:38:20,133 --> 00:38:22,652
Speaker 3: that's an ever evolving beast. And to top it all off,

774
00:38:22,973 --> 00:38:26,652
Speaker 3: the banks might not lend you the money depending on

775
00:38:26,693 --> 00:38:31,013
Speaker 3: your sector like mining or farming. Everything fee feels like

776
00:38:31,053 --> 00:38:35,013
Speaker 3: a minefield these days. Any changes to government procurement and

777
00:38:35,173 --> 00:38:38,253
Speaker 3: accessing some of that fifty one billion dollar infrastructure spend

778
00:38:38,333 --> 00:38:44,413
Speaker 3: is a good thing, good text, guys. Government needs to

779
00:38:44,533 --> 00:38:51,973
Speaker 3: remove the requirement of having the just miss it there,

780
00:38:52,213 --> 00:38:55,493
Speaker 3: having the battery electric and hybrid electric vehicles will good news,

781
00:38:55,493 --> 00:38:57,453
Speaker 3: dear text, because they are getting rid of that and

782
00:38:57,493 --> 00:38:59,613
Speaker 3: that doesn't make a hell of a lot of sense.

783
00:38:59,653 --> 00:39:00,493
Speaker 3: I don't think it ever did.

784
00:39:00,573 --> 00:39:03,093
Speaker 2: Right, Well, that's what they're proposing. So they're proposing get

785
00:39:03,173 --> 00:39:05,973
Speaker 2: rid of building you and non residual government buildings at

786
00:39:06,013 --> 00:39:09,893
Speaker 2: a five star rating, which is battery electric or hybrid

787
00:39:09,933 --> 00:39:12,453
Speaker 2: electric vehicles. That's a crazy one purchase off of supplies

788
00:39:12,453 --> 00:39:15,013
Speaker 2: that produce low amounts of waste and pay the living

789
00:39:15,013 --> 00:39:17,493
Speaker 2: wage and contracts for cleaning, catering and security GID services.

790
00:39:17,493 --> 00:39:20,413
Speaker 2: So they're looking at removing those five rules at least,

791
00:39:20,413 --> 00:39:21,933
Speaker 2: but they're looking I think they're going to move. There's

792
00:39:21,973 --> 00:39:24,813
Speaker 2: currently seventy something. They're to drop it down to forty one.

793
00:39:24,933 --> 00:39:27,093
Speaker 3: Still seems like a lot of rules. This text is

794
00:39:27,093 --> 00:39:29,613
Speaker 3: a good one, guys. We supply New Zealand made wool

795
00:39:29,653 --> 00:39:31,933
Speaker 3: fabrics to the office fit out market. There are three

796
00:39:32,053 --> 00:39:35,013
Speaker 3: one hundred kiwis employed in the various factories processing the

797
00:39:35,053 --> 00:39:37,773
Speaker 3: wall from the farm gate. Great for the economy, awesome

798
00:39:37,813 --> 00:39:40,373
Speaker 3: for the environment. Yet we have found these benefits are

799
00:39:40,373 --> 00:39:42,613
Speaker 3: not factored into the decision making when it comes to

800
00:39:42,653 --> 00:39:45,732
Speaker 3: government tenders. These changes are a great step forward. That's

801
00:39:45,773 --> 00:39:48,133
Speaker 3: from Maxwell Rodgers Fabrics. Yeah, that's right.

802
00:39:48,133 --> 00:39:50,413
Speaker 2: Every time you spend here, you boost New Zealand appointment,

803
00:39:50,773 --> 00:39:54,453
Speaker 2: increase local expertise, and you potentially spark export businesses. So

804
00:39:55,053 --> 00:39:58,013
Speaker 2: it seems like something we should be trying to move

805
00:39:58,053 --> 00:39:59,013
Speaker 2: the dial towards.

806
00:39:59,093 --> 00:39:59,293
Speaker 6: Yep.

807
00:39:59,373 --> 00:40:01,172
Speaker 3: Absolutely, If you want to make a submission on that,

808
00:40:01,213 --> 00:40:05,173
Speaker 3: submissions close on April the eighth. Good discussion. After two o'clock,

809
00:40:05,213 --> 00:40:07,533
Speaker 3: let's have a chat about who pays for dinner on

810
00:40:07,573 --> 00:40:12,133
Speaker 3: the first date. The man is a worse Yeah, you're

811
00:40:12,133 --> 00:40:14,773
Speaker 3: pretty adamant on that. Nineteen ninety two is the text number. Oh,

812
00:40:14,813 --> 00:40:17,333
Speaker 3: eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call

813
00:40:17,413 --> 00:40:19,093
Speaker 3: Newsport and whether or it's way you're listening to Matt and.

814
00:40:19,133 --> 00:40:24,573
Speaker 5: Tyler talking with you all afternoon.

815
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Speaker 1: It's Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons with the Volvo

816
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Speaker 1: XC nineteen news Dogs'd be.

817
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Speaker 3: Good afternoon, Welcome back into the show. Great to have

818
00:40:33,893 --> 00:40:36,533
Speaker 3: your company as always, right, this is going to be

819
00:40:36,533 --> 00:40:38,373
Speaker 3: a good discussion. This is on the back of the

820
00:40:38,453 --> 00:40:41,213
Speaker 3: story in the Herald and it's titled A Man's Guide

821
00:40:41,253 --> 00:40:44,173
Speaker 3: to midlife Dating from a divorced aad and expert. He

822
00:40:44,253 --> 00:40:46,653
Speaker 3: reckons who's learnt the hard way. Say, he's given a

823
00:40:46,653 --> 00:40:50,533
Speaker 3: whole bunch of advice to any man who is back

824
00:40:50,573 --> 00:40:53,093
Speaker 3: on the dating game in later life. Shall we say,

825
00:40:53,133 --> 00:40:55,573
Speaker 3: but one part of his advice we just want to

826
00:40:55,573 --> 00:40:58,973
Speaker 3: pick up on, and it's who should pay for dinner

827
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Speaker 3: when going out on a date. And his title should

828
00:41:01,453 --> 00:41:02,212
Speaker 3: the man always pay?

829
00:41:02,333 --> 00:41:04,013
Speaker 2: Yeah, the man should always pay?

830
00:41:04,133 --> 00:41:06,173
Speaker 3: Right, let me tell you what he says. You're going

831
00:41:06,213 --> 00:41:06,373
Speaker 3: to be.

832
00:41:06,373 --> 00:41:07,933
Speaker 2: Outraged, Okay, sure, I'd be quiet from it.

833
00:41:08,093 --> 00:41:08,293
Speaker 7: Right.

834
00:41:08,373 --> 00:41:11,533
Speaker 3: When it comes to paying, I think one in three

835
00:41:11,653 --> 00:41:14,333
Speaker 3: ratio works well as and she pays once for every

836
00:41:14,733 --> 00:41:17,413
Speaker 3: three times you cover. It's an act of grace and chivalry.

837
00:41:17,493 --> 00:41:19,693
Speaker 3: Say allow me to pay. It would be my pleasure,

838
00:41:19,813 --> 00:41:22,853
Speaker 3: rather than insisting for reasons of masculinity, which might be

839
00:41:22,893 --> 00:41:26,293
Speaker 3: a red flag to her that you're not listening and

840
00:41:26,373 --> 00:41:27,573
Speaker 3: potentially bullying.

841
00:41:27,933 --> 00:41:29,453
Speaker 2: I think there's a single woman in the world that

842
00:41:29,493 --> 00:41:31,573
Speaker 2: would thought would think that that was a red flag

843
00:41:31,813 --> 00:41:34,293
Speaker 2: that you were paying. I think they'd think that's a

844
00:41:34,333 --> 00:41:38,573
Speaker 2: demonstration that you know, you're you're a provider, you've got

845
00:41:38,573 --> 00:41:40,893
Speaker 2: some where withthor you know, and you respect that person

846
00:41:40,893 --> 00:41:43,653
Speaker 2: and you want to make a good impression. Look okay

847
00:41:43,773 --> 00:41:46,652
Speaker 2: on the first date, right, that would be you would

848
00:41:46,693 --> 00:41:49,973
Speaker 2: be an insane person, definitely on the especially if you

849
00:41:50,053 --> 00:41:52,733
Speaker 2: organize the day. If you organize the day and you

850
00:41:52,773 --> 00:41:58,773
Speaker 2: invite a lady out for dinner and then you don't pay, then.

851
00:41:59,093 --> 00:42:00,172
Speaker 3: You get out, that.

852
00:42:02,413 --> 00:42:05,133
Speaker 2: Would have every right to hold up the l loser

853
00:42:05,173 --> 00:42:06,933
Speaker 2: sign at the end of the date and say I

854
00:42:07,013 --> 00:42:07,772
Speaker 2: never want to see you again.

855
00:42:07,853 --> 00:42:10,093
Speaker 3: Yeah, apparently it's pretty hard to get to that stage

856
00:42:10,093 --> 00:42:12,733
Speaker 3: these days with the dating apps. You know, all the swiping,

857
00:42:12,853 --> 00:42:15,013
Speaker 3: swiping ride or swiping lift and trying to get to

858
00:42:15,053 --> 00:42:17,253
Speaker 3: the stage where you get to a restaurant for the

859
00:42:17,253 --> 00:42:21,453
Speaker 3: first date. Don't cock it up at that stage.

860
00:42:20,573 --> 00:42:27,093
Speaker 2: Especially you are tyler with your height problems. I'm sex one.

861
00:42:27,253 --> 00:42:31,893
Speaker 19: You are not sex one six, sex and six and

862
00:42:32,733 --> 00:42:37,173
Speaker 19: maybe sex flat. And even then I'm dubious. I'm pretty

863
00:42:37,173 --> 00:42:38,053
Speaker 19: heavy with my five.

864
00:42:38,333 --> 00:42:40,093
Speaker 2: Well, what my actual height is and what it says

865
00:42:40,133 --> 00:42:42,813
Speaker 2: on my dating profile, you.

866
00:42:42,733 --> 00:42:44,373
Speaker 3: Can tweak it up a little bit. Sex five.

867
00:42:46,453 --> 00:42:47,773
Speaker 2: Not that I have a dating profile.

868
00:42:47,813 --> 00:42:50,533
Speaker 3: Okay, I've got a partner, yeah, yeah, yeah, but times

869
00:42:50,573 --> 00:42:53,453
Speaker 3: have changed. Secret one on the side, I actually agree

870
00:42:53,493 --> 00:42:57,173
Speaker 3: with you that the man should be fronting up first

871
00:42:57,293 --> 00:42:59,373
Speaker 3: to say I've got this cover, don't worry about it.

872
00:42:59,373 --> 00:43:01,333
Speaker 3: This is my treat I've asked you out here, or

873
00:43:01,413 --> 00:43:03,053
Speaker 3: this is the first date, or the second date or

874
00:43:03,053 --> 00:43:08,013
Speaker 3: the third date. But I reckon there's going to be

875
00:43:08,053 --> 00:43:10,812
Speaker 3: a lot of female callers coming through saying nah, that's

876
00:43:10,893 --> 00:43:13,773
Speaker 3: old school thinking. I prefer to go halves. If the

877
00:43:13,813 --> 00:43:17,093
Speaker 3: guy tries to force buying it, then that for me

878
00:43:17,173 --> 00:43:17,813
Speaker 3: is a red flag.

879
00:43:17,893 --> 00:43:20,933
Speaker 2: They might say that, they might say that, but I

880
00:43:20,973 --> 00:43:23,133
Speaker 2: guarantee that they'd be they'd be em played if you

881
00:43:23,173 --> 00:43:26,493
Speaker 2: take them out for a very expensive meal with anything

882
00:43:26,533 --> 00:43:30,333
Speaker 2: they want, no problems at all, and then you just

883
00:43:30,413 --> 00:43:32,173
Speaker 2: go off and pay. You say, you go into the

884
00:43:32,173 --> 00:43:34,013
Speaker 2: bathroom or something, and then you pay the bill. And

885
00:43:34,013 --> 00:43:35,613
Speaker 2: then when you're leaving, they go, what about the bill?

886
00:43:35,653 --> 00:43:38,733
Speaker 2: And I've covered that, no way. Then they're going to

887
00:43:38,733 --> 00:43:39,333
Speaker 2: be impressed by that.

888
00:43:39,373 --> 00:43:40,013
Speaker 3: It's pretty small.

889
00:43:40,293 --> 00:43:43,252
Speaker 2: Whatever they think about, maybe we should have gone halves

890
00:43:43,253 --> 00:43:45,493
Speaker 2: and I would like to whatever. Whatever they say, what

891
00:43:45,533 --> 00:43:47,133
Speaker 2: do they say that that there's some kind of old

892
00:43:47,173 --> 00:43:49,813
Speaker 2: school thinking. They're still like that was a four hundred

893
00:43:49,813 --> 00:43:51,333
Speaker 2: dollars meal and I got it for free.

894
00:43:51,413 --> 00:43:53,213
Speaker 3: All right, let's get into it. Oh eight one hundred

895
00:43:53,333 --> 00:43:55,613
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty is a number to call. The texs

896
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Speaker 3: machine has lit up as well. It is ten past two.

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Speaker 2: This is the kind of guy that can provide for me.

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Speaker 1: Your new home of Afternoon Talk Matt and Taylor Afternoon

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Speaker 5: Said, be.

902
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Speaker 3: Good afternoon, thirteen past two. Should the man always pay

903
00:44:21,373 --> 00:44:24,093
Speaker 3: when it comes to a date or the restaurant?

904
00:44:24,453 --> 00:44:26,613
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, Tyler, good buddy, we've been doing the

905
00:44:26,613 --> 00:44:29,453
Speaker 2: show to get it for eighty five eighty five.

906
00:44:29,293 --> 00:44:32,053
Speaker 3: Shows, eighty five glorious shows. I think it's eighty five shows.

907
00:44:32,133 --> 00:44:35,053
Speaker 2: And I think we've got the smartest text that I

908
00:44:35,053 --> 00:44:38,453
Speaker 2: respect the most the whole time. It's thousands, tens of

909
00:44:38,453 --> 00:44:40,213
Speaker 2: thousands of texts we've received from the time we've been

910
00:44:40,213 --> 00:44:44,252
Speaker 2: doing this right and this one is so insightful. From Jeremy, Matt,

911
00:44:44,333 --> 00:44:44,973
Speaker 2: you are smart.

912
00:44:46,653 --> 00:44:49,053
Speaker 3: That just Jeremy, you must be a first time listening.

913
00:44:49,093 --> 00:44:50,933
Speaker 2: That just cuts through all the bs, doesn't it?

914
00:44:51,453 --> 00:44:55,652
Speaker 3: That one? Matt, You're smart? From Jeremy, Jeremy, welcome into

915
00:44:55,693 --> 00:44:58,613
Speaker 3: the show mate. You'll get used to that. Nadia, how

916
00:44:58,613 --> 00:44:59,533
Speaker 3: are you this afternoon?

917
00:45:00,493 --> 00:45:01,013
Speaker 20: I'm good?

918
00:45:01,053 --> 00:45:02,853
Speaker 21: Thank you? How are you going good?

919
00:45:03,173 --> 00:45:05,253
Speaker 3: And what's your view on who should pay on the

920
00:45:05,293 --> 00:45:06,652
Speaker 3: first or second or third date?

921
00:45:07,973 --> 00:45:12,212
Speaker 21: Wo Well, I think as a single woman, I think

922
00:45:12,333 --> 00:45:17,013
Speaker 21: single since October and I probably averaged about a day

923
00:45:17,093 --> 00:45:21,493
Speaker 21: to week. I finsly dated pretty much half of telling.

924
00:45:22,453 --> 00:45:25,533
Speaker 21: But I think there's a couple of questions to ask

925
00:45:25,573 --> 00:45:29,773
Speaker 21: here what you mentioned before, who's invited, who's for dinner?

926
00:45:30,533 --> 00:45:33,453
Speaker 21: And is just the first date? Because I think if

927
00:45:33,493 --> 00:45:36,493
Speaker 21: it's the first date and you're going out to dinner

928
00:45:36,493 --> 00:45:38,573
Speaker 21: and you're first kind of decided and you haven't met

929
00:45:38,613 --> 00:45:41,692
Speaker 21: each other, then I think it's very enough to kind

930
00:45:41,693 --> 00:45:44,773
Speaker 21: of go fifty fifty because you don't really know how

931
00:45:44,853 --> 00:45:47,613
Speaker 21: much value you're going to get from the state. But

932
00:45:47,773 --> 00:45:51,893
Speaker 21: if the guy's kind of outrightly asked the woman, oh,

933
00:45:52,133 --> 00:45:55,053
Speaker 21: let's meet for the first time, let's go to dinner

934
00:45:55,213 --> 00:45:59,093
Speaker 21: at I don't know deaddy, and he invited to you

935
00:45:59,733 --> 00:46:02,893
Speaker 21: and you go to dinner, I think it is his

936
00:46:03,053 --> 00:46:07,453
Speaker 21: responsibility to pay because he's giving you that invitation, Where

937
00:46:07,573 --> 00:46:10,613
Speaker 21: if it was the other way around, if I invited

938
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Speaker 21: a man out for dinner, I would kind of expect

939
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Speaker 21: to pay myself, or at least just for myself.

940
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Speaker 2: Well, naddie, I've got a question for you there though,

941
00:46:18,933 --> 00:46:22,973
Speaker 2: So you might expect it, but you've got to say

942
00:46:23,013 --> 00:46:25,213
Speaker 2: surely that you'll be impressed even though you invited him

943
00:46:25,213 --> 00:46:27,293
Speaker 2: out on the date if he goes, I've got this one.

944
00:46:27,573 --> 00:46:30,333
Speaker 2: But you know, as a show of goodwill.

945
00:46:31,853 --> 00:46:35,013
Speaker 21: Absolutely, if I invited him out on a day and

946
00:46:35,093 --> 00:46:37,933
Speaker 21: he goes, no, no, no, I've got this, then I

947
00:46:38,293 --> 00:46:40,813
Speaker 21: you know, I'd be like, yep, that's that's certainly the

948
00:46:40,893 --> 00:46:44,133
Speaker 21: kind of man I want to hang out with. But

949
00:46:44,213 --> 00:46:49,653
Speaker 21: I think also like let's say let's say he invites

950
00:46:49,693 --> 00:46:51,333
Speaker 21: you out for dinner. It's the first day, and the

951
00:46:51,373 --> 00:46:54,533
Speaker 21: woman doesn't bring much to the date. It like what

952
00:46:54,613 --> 00:46:58,213
Speaker 21: if she's not interacting or she's not storytelling or anything

953
00:46:58,333 --> 00:47:01,493
Speaker 21: like that, it's very dull, you know. As a man,

954
00:47:01,733 --> 00:47:04,093
Speaker 21: I would think, well, what have I got from this?

955
00:47:06,133 --> 00:47:09,973
Speaker 21: She's fairly fluted with me. She really looked at me,

956
00:47:10,093 --> 00:47:13,172
Speaker 21: made I contact with me, and we've just had like

957
00:47:13,213 --> 00:47:15,813
Speaker 21: a one hundred dollars meal between the two of us,

958
00:47:15,973 --> 00:47:20,573
Speaker 21: and it's like, well, you know, why should I pay

959
00:47:20,573 --> 00:47:23,933
Speaker 21: for this? I you know, I would hope to think that,

960
00:47:24,093 --> 00:47:26,373
Speaker 21: like a man would be like, oh, let's go half

961
00:47:26,493 --> 00:47:26,813
Speaker 21: on this.

962
00:47:27,333 --> 00:47:27,573
Speaker 3: Yeah.

963
00:47:27,773 --> 00:47:31,253
Speaker 21: Usually usually like if a woman asks a man out

964
00:47:31,293 --> 00:47:33,973
Speaker 21: on a date for dinner, like especially on the APPS

965
00:47:34,053 --> 00:47:37,093
Speaker 21: sees days, because I don't think the kind of feedback

966
00:47:37,133 --> 00:47:39,813
Speaker 21: I get from other men is that women aren't the

967
00:47:39,853 --> 00:47:43,973
Speaker 21: one to initiate. So if a woman initiates, they get

968
00:47:44,093 --> 00:47:47,172
Speaker 21: really excited by the whole thing. And I think that

969
00:47:47,373 --> 00:47:49,293
Speaker 21: in hand would be like, yeah, yeah, let me pay,

970
00:47:49,333 --> 00:47:52,013
Speaker 21: because I hardly get to go out on dates with women.

971
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Speaker 2: If you do go out on a date, naddie, Like say,

972
00:47:55,133 --> 00:47:59,093
Speaker 2: from a male perspective, and you really like the person,

973
00:47:59,173 --> 00:48:02,573
Speaker 2: so not the example you're giving where they haven't talked much,

974
00:48:02,613 --> 00:48:05,413
Speaker 2: they haven't offered much, but you actually like the person,

975
00:48:05,533 --> 00:48:08,333
Speaker 2: you want another date. I think it would be suicide

976
00:48:08,493 --> 00:48:10,453
Speaker 2: not to pay for it at that point. I think,

977
00:48:10,853 --> 00:48:13,413
Speaker 2: I think that's that if you really like the person,

978
00:48:13,853 --> 00:48:16,573
Speaker 2: then as a man, that is a really good way

979
00:48:17,133 --> 00:48:20,573
Speaker 2: to you know, I guess get some texts in your

980
00:48:20,573 --> 00:48:23,813
Speaker 2: in your box going forward. You know, it's a way

981
00:48:23,853 --> 00:48:28,293
Speaker 2: to say, look, I'm serious about you. But also also

982
00:48:28,373 --> 00:48:30,453
Speaker 2: if you really on the flip side, if you really

983
00:48:30,533 --> 00:48:33,493
Speaker 2: like someone on a date and then and then you

984
00:48:33,493 --> 00:48:36,893
Speaker 2: went at the end, will go halves, I think that's risky.

985
00:48:38,373 --> 00:48:41,453
Speaker 21: Yeah, you're absolutely correct. As a man. If I was

986
00:48:41,493 --> 00:48:46,133
Speaker 21: a man and I really like women, and you know

987
00:48:46,253 --> 00:48:48,893
Speaker 21: I wanted to impress her, I would definitely pay for it.

988
00:48:49,173 --> 00:48:51,933
Speaker 21: And then like as a woman receiving that, it's kind

989
00:48:51,933 --> 00:48:54,853
Speaker 21: of like this kind of oh, he's paid for me,

990
00:48:55,333 --> 00:48:59,293
Speaker 21: he really likes me. But then like sometimes as a woman,

991
00:48:59,733 --> 00:49:02,813
Speaker 21: I think as a younger woman dating you kind of think, oh,

992
00:49:02,853 --> 00:49:04,773
Speaker 21: he's paid for it, So there might be this like

993
00:49:04,893 --> 00:49:09,093
Speaker 21: weird expectation day, key the second day, or where he's

994
00:49:09,213 --> 00:49:14,692
Speaker 21: like guaranteed some sort of intimacy. But I quite like, yeah,

995
00:49:14,773 --> 00:49:17,652
Speaker 21: I quite like the author's ratio the one to three things.

996
00:49:17,733 --> 00:49:19,493
Speaker 21: And this is something I do quite often in my

997
00:49:19,573 --> 00:49:22,213
Speaker 21: dating life. Like let's say we go out to dinner

998
00:49:22,253 --> 00:49:25,053
Speaker 21: and the man pays for it, and then we're enjoying

999
00:49:25,093 --> 00:49:27,573
Speaker 21: ourselves and we think, oh, let's go somewhere else for

1000
00:49:27,613 --> 00:49:30,133
Speaker 21: a drink, and then I'll be like, okay, drinks for

1001
00:49:30,253 --> 00:49:32,653
Speaker 21: on me, or let's go somewhere else for a dessert

1002
00:49:32,733 --> 00:49:36,053
Speaker 21: and to dirt on me. And I think like women,

1003
00:49:36,413 --> 00:49:40,413
Speaker 21: women can actually offer a lot outside of the dinner

1004
00:49:40,533 --> 00:49:46,693
Speaker 21: dating scene and other kind of dating things. Like let's

1005
00:49:46,693 --> 00:49:49,893
Speaker 21: say the man pays dinner and you want a second date,

1006
00:49:49,933 --> 00:49:52,133
Speaker 21: So the woman could invite the men over for dinner

1007
00:49:52,133 --> 00:49:53,813
Speaker 21: and be like, I'm going to put to you dinner

1008
00:49:53,933 --> 00:49:56,613
Speaker 21: or movies together.

1009
00:49:58,213 --> 00:50:01,252
Speaker 2: Yourself at that point and inviting them around for dinner,

1010
00:50:01,293 --> 00:50:04,373
Speaker 2: that's that's an escalation. Well, that's definitely from from the

1011
00:50:04,373 --> 00:50:06,693
Speaker 2: woman's perspective. If you invite the men around for dinner,

1012
00:50:07,093 --> 00:50:09,733
Speaker 2: then you're really saying you like them, right.

1013
00:50:10,733 --> 00:50:14,373
Speaker 21: Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, so, Yeah, I think you guys are

1014
00:50:14,453 --> 00:50:17,773
Speaker 21: right if if the man really likes a girl and

1015
00:50:17,853 --> 00:50:21,093
Speaker 21: he wants a chance in there, then he's going to pay.

1016
00:50:21,253 --> 00:50:25,373
Speaker 21: But you know, if it's a fruf date, yeah, I

1017
00:50:25,413 --> 00:50:26,973
Speaker 21: don't think it's fair. But I have been on a

1018
00:50:27,053 --> 00:50:31,813
Speaker 21: second date for dinner and he was like, oh, yeah,

1019
00:50:31,853 --> 00:50:33,453
Speaker 21: let's go out for dinner. On the second date, I

1020
00:50:33,493 --> 00:50:35,173
Speaker 21: was like, great. We had a second dinner.

1021
00:50:35,373 --> 00:50:36,013
Speaker 22: It was quite a.

1022
00:50:36,013 --> 00:50:39,093
Speaker 21: Noisy restaurant and it was really hard to communicate, and

1023
00:50:39,213 --> 00:50:40,933
Speaker 21: we got to the tell and he goes, should we

1024
00:50:40,933 --> 00:50:44,333
Speaker 21: go half? And I was like, okay, So from that

1025
00:50:44,413 --> 00:50:46,573
Speaker 21: point onwards, he's going to the friends group.

1026
00:50:49,013 --> 00:50:51,973
Speaker 3: That's exactly what I'm saying. It's exactly what I'm saying.

1027
00:50:54,533 --> 00:50:56,693
Speaker 21: He's I think he's also happy to be in the

1028
00:50:56,693 --> 00:50:59,133
Speaker 21: spring group as well. So perhaps it was something I

1029
00:50:59,133 --> 00:51:01,453
Speaker 21: did on that dinner date that he was like, Oh,

1030
00:51:01,533 --> 00:51:05,493
Speaker 21: I don't like Nadi anymore, but let's just go half.

1031
00:51:05,853 --> 00:51:09,093
Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much for call Nadia, and good

1032
00:51:09,173 --> 00:51:11,813
Speaker 2: luck with that you've been to You've been on the

1033
00:51:11,893 --> 00:51:14,293
Speaker 2: dating Circle since October, so that's as long as me

1034
00:51:14,333 --> 00:51:15,813
Speaker 2: and Tyler have been together on the show.

1035
00:51:15,973 --> 00:51:21,253
Speaker 3: Yeah, so lifetime and I still pay Nadia, I think

1036
00:51:21,373 --> 00:51:21,772
Speaker 3: so much.

1037
00:51:21,773 --> 00:51:22,373
Speaker 2: Thanks for your call.

1038
00:51:22,613 --> 00:51:25,053
Speaker 3: She was great. I mean when she was talking about

1039
00:51:25,133 --> 00:51:27,812
Speaker 3: the torpedio, a torpedo and the date. From a man's

1040
00:51:27,853 --> 00:51:29,213
Speaker 3: point of view, I can get that that. If you

1041
00:51:29,693 --> 00:51:31,333
Speaker 3: take a date to I don't know, what's a nice

1042
00:51:31,373 --> 00:51:33,853
Speaker 3: restaurant in Auckland on slow and you pay a lot

1043
00:51:33,853 --> 00:51:36,293
Speaker 3: of money and you've got a dud date, at that

1044
00:51:36,413 --> 00:51:39,252
Speaker 3: point you would say, hey, this is go halves because

1045
00:51:39,253 --> 00:51:40,293
Speaker 3: this ain't going to happen again.

1046
00:51:40,493 --> 00:51:42,893
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'd probably still pay, But that's not

1047
00:51:42,933 --> 00:51:45,013
Speaker 2: really the point I'm making. The point I'm making is

1048
00:51:45,013 --> 00:51:46,933
Speaker 2: if you want to make a good impression as a

1049
00:51:46,973 --> 00:51:49,213
Speaker 2: man on a date, you better pay for the dinner.

1050
00:51:50,053 --> 00:51:53,973
Speaker 2: Otherwise you were rolling the dice of life. Newton says,

1051
00:51:54,173 --> 00:51:56,133
Speaker 2: you can't win as a man, or you can, or

1052
00:51:56,173 --> 00:51:58,053
Speaker 2: you're can increase your chances.

1053
00:51:57,693 --> 00:52:02,733
Speaker 3: By ten eighties. The number to call it is twenty

1054
00:52:02,773 --> 00:52:03,653
Speaker 3: one past two.

1055
00:52:07,773 --> 00:52:12,493
Speaker 1: Mad heat Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight on news

1056
00:52:12,573 --> 00:52:13,413
Speaker 1: talk ZB.

1057
00:52:13,573 --> 00:52:16,133
Speaker 3: Good Afternoon, having a great discussion about should the man

1058
00:52:16,173 --> 00:52:20,573
Speaker 3: always pay when it comes to dating, particularly later in life.

1059
00:52:21,293 --> 00:52:22,533
Speaker 3: There's some great texts coming.

1060
00:52:22,333 --> 00:52:25,093
Speaker 2: Through the sextasys man should always pay? With all the

1061
00:52:25,133 --> 00:52:27,253
Speaker 2: weird changes going on, in the last twenty years, it's

1062
00:52:27,253 --> 00:52:30,253
Speaker 2: still nice to keep some traditional values alive.

1063
00:52:30,893 --> 00:52:34,613
Speaker 3: Yes, and a lot of love Fernadia, our first caller.

1064
00:52:34,773 --> 00:52:37,973
Speaker 3: Love her perspective and attitude. Guys wants her number. I'd

1065
00:52:38,013 --> 00:52:41,053
Speaker 3: love to go on a date with Nadia. Where there

1066
00:52:41,053 --> 00:52:41,253
Speaker 3: you go.

1067
00:52:41,453 --> 00:52:43,373
Speaker 2: I have two daughters that I've raised to never trust

1068
00:52:43,413 --> 00:52:45,253
Speaker 2: a man in a white suit and never trust a

1069
00:52:45,293 --> 00:52:48,293
Speaker 2: man that doesn't pay for dinner. What about another thing

1070
00:52:48,413 --> 00:52:51,373
Speaker 2: is never trust a man in the suit. And the weekend?

1071
00:52:51,653 --> 00:52:53,533
Speaker 3: Oh really? Yeah?

1072
00:52:53,693 --> 00:52:56,212
Speaker 2: What indicating people wearing suits on the weekend of people

1073
00:52:56,253 --> 00:52:56,973
Speaker 2: trying to sell your stuff?

1074
00:52:57,013 --> 00:52:58,772
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with the white suit. I mean that's

1075
00:52:58,773 --> 00:53:00,453
Speaker 3: a it's a bold choice to go a white suit.

1076
00:53:00,573 --> 00:53:02,293
Speaker 3: That's very Miami vice.

1077
00:53:02,533 --> 00:53:03,733
Speaker 2: I often wear a white suit.

1078
00:53:03,813 --> 00:53:07,813
Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, that's true. Actually proves it proves the point.

1079
00:53:11,733 --> 00:53:14,693
Speaker 23: Yeah, guys, Look, if you're a man, you've asked a

1080
00:53:14,733 --> 00:53:21,533
Speaker 23: woman out on a date, you're paying, right, No, if

1081
00:53:21,533 --> 00:53:24,253
Speaker 23: you have asked her out your pain. If she's asked

1082
00:53:24,293 --> 00:53:29,573
Speaker 23: you out, yeah, you and she implies that she's paying,

1083
00:53:29,653 --> 00:53:32,613
Speaker 23: you always pay for yourself. Even if she implies that

1084
00:53:32,693 --> 00:53:33,893
Speaker 23: you still pay for yourself.

1085
00:53:34,933 --> 00:53:38,493
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you'll up your chances of impressing her though,

1086
00:53:38,533 --> 00:53:41,172
Speaker 2: being even if she's invited you out the date, if

1087
00:53:41,213 --> 00:53:43,292
Speaker 2: you and you know, even if it's been talked about,

1088
00:53:43,413 --> 00:53:45,813
Speaker 2: you know, going halves or whatever, if you just sneak

1089
00:53:45,853 --> 00:53:47,573
Speaker 2: off at one point and go and pay the bill,

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00:53:48,013 --> 00:53:50,333
Speaker 2: then I think, I think that's a that's a classy

1091
00:53:50,413 --> 00:53:53,093
Speaker 2: move that will definitely help your chances.

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Speaker 23: Well, I've been happily married for the last three years,

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00:53:56,493 --> 00:53:59,533
Speaker 23: been with my wife, you know, for five years, a

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00:53:59,533 --> 00:54:02,413
Speaker 23: couple of years before we got married. We now we

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00:54:02,493 --> 00:54:05,213
Speaker 23: go out to dinner most fridays. We earn about the

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00:54:05,213 --> 00:54:08,173
Speaker 23: same amount of money, and we keep our money separate,

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00:54:09,213 --> 00:54:13,253
Speaker 23: so separate from our relationship, how the bills and everything.

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Speaker 23: And when we go up for dinner, I pay for

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00:54:15,493 --> 00:54:17,253
Speaker 23: myself and she pays for herself.

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00:54:17,733 --> 00:54:20,893
Speaker 2: Okay, that's that's that's interesting. Did you notice the moment

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00:54:20,893 --> 00:54:23,093
Speaker 2: it swapped over, like did you pay on the first day?

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00:54:23,133 --> 00:54:24,613
Speaker 2: And then it slowly creaked her half?

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00:54:25,733 --> 00:54:28,212
Speaker 23: I think I paid for the first three and then

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00:54:28,373 --> 00:54:31,212
Speaker 23: after that, you know, we just split it. I don't

1105
00:54:31,253 --> 00:54:34,213
Speaker 23: think she's ever paid for me. Yeah, but that's cool.

1106
00:54:34,813 --> 00:54:37,613
Speaker 23: I'm happy with that. But it's also a good thing

1107
00:54:37,653 --> 00:54:39,293
Speaker 23: because when we do go in out out and eat.

1108
00:54:39,493 --> 00:54:41,093
Speaker 23: I can be a bit stingy and I'll get the

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00:54:41,173 --> 00:54:43,253
Speaker 23: cheapest thing off the me and you, and she's always

1110
00:54:43,613 --> 00:54:46,133
Speaker 23: she's always the eye fillip. So you know that's about

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00:54:46,133 --> 00:54:46,893
Speaker 23: fifty bucks.

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00:54:47,093 --> 00:54:48,773
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, good strategy.

1113
00:54:49,093 --> 00:54:51,973
Speaker 2: So Ben, like, so you've been married for three years?

1114
00:54:51,973 --> 00:54:53,613
Speaker 2: Did you say, yeah?

1115
00:54:53,853 --> 00:54:54,013
Speaker 8: Yeah?

1116
00:54:54,053 --> 00:54:56,133
Speaker 2: Are you gonna this? This could be an interesting thing

1117
00:54:56,253 --> 00:54:59,613
Speaker 2: going forward. Normally, at some point in a marriage, the

1118
00:54:59,733 --> 00:55:03,573
Speaker 2: accounts get linked and you have a shared sort of

1119
00:55:03,613 --> 00:55:07,613
Speaker 2: financial situation. If you're playing with if you're paying with

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00:55:07,733 --> 00:55:11,733
Speaker 2: one car, then I guess that you know, then she

1121
00:55:11,813 --> 00:55:14,333
Speaker 2: could go up and pay. But yeah, I mean, would

1122
00:55:14,293 --> 00:55:16,453
Speaker 2: you would you link the Are you ever looking to

1123
00:55:16,533 --> 00:55:18,573
Speaker 2: link your finances? I guess what I'm saying.

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00:55:19,533 --> 00:55:22,693
Speaker 23: Our bills are mortgage, everything I'm linked. But we have

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00:55:22,813 --> 00:55:26,293
Speaker 23: our wages going into separate bank accounts, and we transfer

1126
00:55:26,333 --> 00:55:28,893
Speaker 23: over what we need to cover the bills, and then

1127
00:55:28,933 --> 00:55:31,333
Speaker 23: whatever we've got left in our bank our own bank

1128
00:55:31,333 --> 00:55:34,053
Speaker 23: accounts is ours to do what we want. Ye the

1129
00:55:34,093 --> 00:55:37,173
Speaker 23: same pretty well with our arguments and everything.

1130
00:55:37,453 --> 00:55:39,213
Speaker 3: Yeap, No, No, I'm with you, Ben, Me and my

1131
00:55:39,293 --> 00:55:41,373
Speaker 3: partner do the same. We've been together for some time.

1132
00:55:42,893 --> 00:55:46,173
Speaker 3: Just it just works well. When I say it works

1133
00:55:46,213 --> 00:55:49,533
Speaker 3: all right there. You know, there are some instances where

1134
00:55:50,573 --> 00:55:54,293
Speaker 3: my partner would say, hey, we need to be combining

1135
00:55:54,373 --> 00:55:58,133
Speaker 3: all of our money together because effectively, your spending money

1136
00:55:58,173 --> 00:55:59,973
Speaker 3: is a lot more than my spending money, which is fair.

1137
00:56:01,053 --> 00:56:03,053
Speaker 2: Well, because you're more than her, Well.

1138
00:56:02,973 --> 00:56:04,573
Speaker 3: There's more that goes into my bank account.

1139
00:56:04,773 --> 00:56:08,333
Speaker 2: Well, that's that's what earning more than her is. I think, Tyler,

1140
00:56:08,333 --> 00:56:09,853
Speaker 2: you're cheating on your partner and you don't want to

1141
00:56:09,893 --> 00:56:11,293
Speaker 2: see where you're spending the money.

1142
00:56:11,973 --> 00:56:13,853
Speaker 3: It's an open book. Do you want to see by accounts?

1143
00:56:15,413 --> 00:56:18,533
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your call, Ben, and congratulations

1144
00:56:18,533 --> 00:56:20,773
Speaker 2: on your happy three year marriage. And I hope it continues.

1145
00:56:22,533 --> 00:56:24,493
Speaker 2: Cheers been sure, Well that was weird say that that

1146
00:56:24,573 --> 00:56:26,453
Speaker 2: came off weird. I hope it continues, like there was

1147
00:56:26,453 --> 00:56:27,573
Speaker 2: some suggesting it might not.

1148
00:56:27,853 --> 00:56:29,773
Speaker 3: Think it will all the best, Ben, Yeah, we've got

1149
00:56:29,813 --> 00:56:30,493
Speaker 3: our fingers crossed.

1150
00:56:32,213 --> 00:56:36,252
Speaker 2: She sounds like a classy woman that always orders the steak.

1151
00:56:36,413 --> 00:56:36,613
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1152
00:56:36,813 --> 00:56:39,212
Speaker 3: Absolutely. I'll say the difference between me and Ben though,

1153
00:56:39,253 --> 00:56:43,093
Speaker 3: with the accounts that are not together, that I always

1154
00:56:43,093 --> 00:56:44,853
Speaker 3: pay for dinner, always pay for dinner.

1155
00:56:45,333 --> 00:56:48,493
Speaker 2: Wow, Yeah, this nexus his first date should always be

1156
00:56:48,533 --> 00:56:51,172
Speaker 2: fifty to fifty split wat shout dinner to a dud,

1157
00:56:51,693 --> 00:56:52,413
Speaker 2: terrible idea.

1158
00:56:53,253 --> 00:56:54,893
Speaker 3: Yeah, what if it's not a dud?

1159
00:56:55,853 --> 00:56:57,853
Speaker 2: Yeah, you'd hope that one of your dates that you

1160
00:56:57,973 --> 00:56:59,733
Speaker 2: go on turns out not to be a dud? Or

1161
00:56:59,853 --> 00:57:02,453
Speaker 2: is you going to spend your life lonely?

1162
00:57:02,733 --> 00:57:05,213
Speaker 3: Yeah? Oh a hundred. I just like the way that

1163
00:57:05,253 --> 00:57:07,733
Speaker 3: they said terrible return on investments. I mean it is.

1164
00:57:08,333 --> 00:57:10,013
Speaker 3: It's like spending a bit of money on the stock market.

1165
00:57:10,053 --> 00:57:12,533
Speaker 3: You know, some things work out, sometimes they don't.

1166
00:57:13,373 --> 00:57:14,893
Speaker 2: I didn't read that but out because I couldn't work

1167
00:57:14,893 --> 00:57:17,613
Speaker 2: out what ROI means. But now I feel stupid.

1168
00:57:17,693 --> 00:57:20,613
Speaker 3: Yeah, very good. I keep those things coming through on

1169
00:57:20,693 --> 00:57:22,773
Speaker 3: nine two nine two, and love to hear from you.

1170
00:57:22,773 --> 00:57:24,773
Speaker 3: I eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you're

1171
00:57:24,813 --> 00:57:27,773
Speaker 3: currently dating, what is the situation now? Is it a

1172
00:57:27,813 --> 00:57:29,413
Speaker 3: little bit harder than it used to be that it's

1173
00:57:29,453 --> 00:57:32,253
Speaker 3: not just the man that always pays for the dinner?

1174
00:57:32,453 --> 00:57:34,293
Speaker 3: Have you ever got into a bit of an argument

1175
00:57:34,333 --> 00:57:35,573
Speaker 3: with your date about who pays?

1176
00:57:36,293 --> 00:57:38,293
Speaker 2: Even really a man if you don't pay for the dinner?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you can't answer that one too. I wait one

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00:57:40,493 --> 00:57:41,973
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty two, and I know.

1179
00:57:41,853 --> 00:57:44,813
Speaker 2: We've got full lines, but keep trying because we'll try

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00:57:44,853 --> 00:57:46,653
Speaker 2: and get to everyone. And the text number is a

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Speaker 2: nine two nine two. But also the secondary questioning I'm

1182
00:57:49,653 --> 00:57:52,613
Speaker 2: the throwing the max even though everything's so busy, as

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00:57:53,253 --> 00:57:56,413
Speaker 2: should you combine your bank accounts?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

1185
00:57:56,813 --> 00:57:57,413
Speaker 3: Great question?

1186
00:57:57,573 --> 00:57:59,973
Speaker 2: And when you're when you're in a relationship, and why

1187
00:58:00,013 --> 00:58:01,773
Speaker 2: doesn't Tyler want to what is he trying to hire

1188
00:58:01,813 --> 00:58:02,453
Speaker 2: from his partner?

1189
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Speaker 3: Headlines Raylen coming up?

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, ray Lean, and we've asked the

1210
00:59:23,253 --> 00:59:26,493
Speaker 3: question should a man always pay when it comes to dating.

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00:59:26,613 --> 00:59:28,333
Speaker 3: Matt says absolutely yes.

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00:59:28,653 --> 00:59:30,933
Speaker 2: Well yeah, no, I say that that if you pay,

1213
00:59:31,213 --> 00:59:35,453
Speaker 2: then it and it's a it's risky if you like

1214
00:59:35,533 --> 00:59:39,573
Speaker 2: the person not to pay, because they could you know,

1215
00:59:40,053 --> 00:59:42,253
Speaker 2: they could think that you're not a great guy. Or

1216
00:59:42,533 --> 00:59:44,853
Speaker 2: it's just it's just it's a norm that you're breaking.

1217
00:59:44,893 --> 00:59:46,453
Speaker 2: I think if you like someone and you want to

1218
00:59:46,453 --> 00:59:48,933
Speaker 2: show that you want to move things forward, the best

1219
00:59:48,973 --> 00:59:51,173
Speaker 2: way as a dude is to pay for the date.

1220
00:59:51,533 --> 00:59:53,733
Speaker 2: But I also believe that men should pay all the time. Yeah,

1221
00:59:53,853 --> 00:59:56,613
Speaker 2: but also just specific in that situation. But I actually

1222
00:59:56,893 --> 00:59:58,453
Speaker 2: have a lot of sympathy for this text here on

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00:59:58,533 --> 01:00:00,653
Speaker 2: nine two known two. I'm female, and I always prefer

1224
01:00:00,773 --> 01:00:03,773
Speaker 2: fifty to fifty, less pressure, no expectations. See that's a

1225
01:00:03,773 --> 01:00:06,533
Speaker 2: good point because also as a man paying, you can't

1226
01:00:06,573 --> 01:00:10,613
Speaker 2: think that the paying for that dinner means that you're

1227
01:00:10,693 --> 01:00:11,693
Speaker 2: owed anything for it.

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01:00:11,893 --> 01:00:13,013
Speaker 3: No, that's not chivalry.

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01:00:13,133 --> 01:00:15,213
Speaker 2: No paying for something and thinking you're going to get

1230
01:00:15,253 --> 01:00:18,533
Speaker 2: something back, that's not It's just it's just a gesture

1231
01:00:19,013 --> 01:00:21,853
Speaker 2: of goodwill and a show that you that you think

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01:00:21,893 --> 01:00:25,013
Speaker 2: that this person is worth paying for. Yeah, certainly can't

1233
01:00:25,053 --> 01:00:27,853
Speaker 2: ask for anything in return. No, it's a negotiation technique

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01:00:27,893 --> 01:00:31,613
Speaker 2: going forward. It's just saying I, you know I've got

1235
01:00:31,613 --> 01:00:35,053
Speaker 2: the money to pay this dinner, and and you know

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01:00:35,693 --> 01:00:37,253
Speaker 2: I'm the kind of person that might be able to

1237
01:00:37,253 --> 01:00:37,693
Speaker 2: provide for you.

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01:00:37,893 --> 01:00:39,733
Speaker 3: I agree. But if I had any pushback, because I'd

1239
01:00:39,733 --> 01:00:41,613
Speaker 3: always say this is my treat, love this date, I'm

1240
01:00:41,613 --> 01:00:43,373
Speaker 3: going to pay for this, and we should do it

1241
01:00:43,413 --> 01:00:46,933
Speaker 3: again sometime hopefully. But if they pushed back and said no, no,

1242
01:00:47,053 --> 01:00:49,373
Speaker 3: we're going fifty to fifty, I think I'd fold pretty

1243
01:00:49,413 --> 01:00:51,733
Speaker 3: quick and say, okay, we'll go fifty to fifty.

1244
01:00:52,733 --> 01:00:58,973
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not surprised Jennifer, your thoughts on this, I.

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01:00:59,053 --> 01:01:01,853
Speaker 17: Must share you. When I first start in, I thought

1246
01:01:01,893 --> 01:01:05,253
Speaker 17: you were being facetious. No, I cannot just shif we

1247
01:01:05,333 --> 01:01:09,373
Speaker 17: are having this conversation in twenty twenty five, So you

1248
01:01:09,533 --> 01:01:14,413
Speaker 17: honestly believe that you're going to be the provider by

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01:01:14,533 --> 01:01:15,613
Speaker 17: paying for a dinner.

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01:01:16,133 --> 01:01:18,093
Speaker 13: I actually can't believe what I'm listening to.

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01:01:19,493 --> 01:01:23,053
Speaker 17: We are two people enjoying a meal together.

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01:01:24,493 --> 01:01:25,093
Speaker 23: It should be.

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01:01:25,093 --> 01:01:27,813
Speaker 17: Based on nothing more than that who has the means

1254
01:01:27,853 --> 01:01:31,493
Speaker 17: to pay, who invited? Who genders should just not even

1255
01:01:31,693 --> 01:01:34,613
Speaker 17: enter the equation. And the fact that it does I

1256
01:01:34,773 --> 01:01:39,173
Speaker 17: actually find quite depressing. I can't believe we're having this discussion.

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01:01:39,293 --> 01:01:40,933
Speaker 2: So, Jennifer, if you went on a first date with

1258
01:01:40,973 --> 01:01:44,653
Speaker 2: someone and then and they sat down, and then he goes,

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01:01:46,333 --> 01:01:47,413
Speaker 2: can you can you get this?

1260
01:01:47,933 --> 01:01:49,733
Speaker 3: Can you could you? Could you? Could you get this?

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01:01:49,813 --> 01:01:52,893
Speaker 2: I don't have any I don't actually have I can't pay.

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01:01:53,293 --> 01:01:56,773
Speaker 2: How would you feel about that? That's the extreme, in

1263
01:01:56,853 --> 01:01:57,493
Speaker 2: the extreme.

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01:01:57,613 --> 01:02:00,933
Speaker 17: My first response would be, I'm really sorry to hear

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01:02:01,453 --> 01:02:04,453
Speaker 17: that you're not able to pay. Perhaps we should have

1266
01:02:04,453 --> 01:02:08,293
Speaker 17: had a discussion around which would have been an appropriate.

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01:02:07,773 --> 01:02:08,973
Speaker 3: Restaurant that would hurt that?

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01:02:09,053 --> 01:02:12,933
Speaker 17: Do you guys, actually, I feel like you've been I

1269
01:02:12,933 --> 01:02:16,133
Speaker 17: don't know, are you followers of Andrew Taate or something?

1270
01:02:16,173 --> 01:02:17,333
Speaker 17: Because this is ludicrous.

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01:02:20,373 --> 01:02:24,613
Speaker 2: That's a huge le Jennifer from saying that if you

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01:02:24,653 --> 01:02:27,013
Speaker 2: want to increase your chances of getting a second date

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01:02:27,613 --> 01:02:31,253
Speaker 2: when you take someone out, that you you pay for

1274
01:02:31,293 --> 01:02:33,653
Speaker 2: the for the meal's I mean that's.

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01:02:33,493 --> 01:02:38,053
Speaker 17: Not I'm very I'm very happy married and are paid

1276
01:02:38,133 --> 01:02:40,973
Speaker 17: for for half of my engagement drink because I've got

1277
01:02:41,093 --> 01:02:46,013
Speaker 17: very expensive taste and I love this engagement ring. And

1278
01:02:46,213 --> 01:02:49,053
Speaker 17: I said, partner, I don't want to put you under pressure,

1279
01:02:49,413 --> 01:02:53,053
Speaker 17: but I don't want to compromise on what I really like.

1280
01:02:53,533 --> 01:02:55,853
Speaker 17: Can we have a discussion around me paying for half

1281
01:02:55,893 --> 01:02:58,093
Speaker 17: this engagement ring? How do you feel about that?

1282
01:02:58,213 --> 01:02:58,293
Speaker 24: So?

1283
01:02:58,573 --> 01:03:01,013
Speaker 2: Did he come did he come at you with the

1284
01:03:01,013 --> 01:03:04,253
Speaker 2: sort of a standard engagement ring and you said, look,

1285
01:03:04,293 --> 01:03:05,573
Speaker 2: I actually want to upgrade this.

1286
01:03:07,093 --> 01:03:09,493
Speaker 17: No, no, no, no, we have a discussion. He said,

1287
01:03:10,213 --> 01:03:12,373
Speaker 17: you know, what are we doing in the relationship?

1288
01:03:12,653 --> 01:03:13,893
Speaker 21: How do we take it forward?

1289
01:03:14,013 --> 01:03:17,773
Speaker 17: Should we consider getting engaged exac Well, that sounds lovely.

1290
01:03:18,013 --> 01:03:22,093
Speaker 17: Why don't we go engagement ring shopping together? Black partners

1291
01:03:22,133 --> 01:03:27,093
Speaker 17: do do the.

1292
01:03:27,133 --> 01:03:29,093
Speaker 2: Offer to pay the whole thing when you said, let's

1293
01:03:29,173 --> 01:03:31,813
Speaker 2: go I want to go halves because I want to

1294
01:03:31,813 --> 01:03:34,533
Speaker 2: spectacular one. Did he go, Look, I'll like, you know,

1295
01:03:34,773 --> 01:03:36,773
Speaker 2: I want to get you the right one, So let's

1296
01:03:36,773 --> 01:03:39,133
Speaker 2: not go halves. I'll pay for all of it. Did

1297
01:03:39,133 --> 01:03:39,613
Speaker 2: he say that?

1298
01:03:40,653 --> 01:03:42,613
Speaker 17: No, No he didn't, And if.

1299
01:03:42,453 --> 01:03:44,213
Speaker 2: He did, if he did, you would have said, oh,

1300
01:03:44,293 --> 01:03:46,813
Speaker 2: let's go half again, get an even better one.

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01:03:48,373 --> 01:03:51,693
Speaker 17: I really, but can I give you a you know

1302
01:03:51,733 --> 01:03:55,413
Speaker 17: what the thing is? In my very humble opinion, because

1303
01:03:55,413 --> 01:03:59,093
Speaker 17: I feel so strongly about this, this this concept of

1304
01:03:59,413 --> 01:04:03,293
Speaker 17: buying a better chance, I found it horrific.

1305
01:04:03,693 --> 01:04:04,133
Speaker 3: No, you're not.

1306
01:04:04,253 --> 01:04:06,373
Speaker 2: That's not what that's that's that's a that's a cruel

1307
01:04:06,373 --> 01:04:07,413
Speaker 2: way to put it.

1308
01:04:07,413 --> 01:04:09,213
Speaker 3: It's not really that.

1309
01:04:09,493 --> 01:04:10,333
Speaker 2: Isn't it more.

1310
01:04:11,333 --> 01:04:14,653
Speaker 3: More being nicely, Jennifer? Isn't it more kindness?

1311
01:04:14,693 --> 01:04:15,053
Speaker 18: You know that?

1312
01:04:15,173 --> 01:04:16,653
Speaker 3: And I'll put it this way. Whether you want to

1313
01:04:16,653 --> 01:04:18,733
Speaker 3: call it chivalry or not, that's that's up to you.

1314
01:04:18,853 --> 01:04:21,133
Speaker 3: And I actually think there is, you know, a nice

1315
01:04:21,133 --> 01:04:24,973
Speaker 3: part of chivalry. But for example, Jennifer, if I held

1316
01:04:25,013 --> 01:04:27,533
Speaker 3: the door open for you, or took or took your coat,

1317
01:04:27,773 --> 01:04:30,613
Speaker 3: or pulled out your seat for you, you'd be offended

1318
01:04:30,613 --> 01:04:30,893
Speaker 3: by that.

1319
01:04:33,253 --> 01:04:36,053
Speaker 17: And I wouldn't be offended, but drunk onise, I hope

1320
01:04:36,093 --> 01:04:37,213
Speaker 17: that you wouldn't be offended.

1321
01:04:38,013 --> 01:04:40,693
Speaker 3: No, certainly not no, no, speak to you to pull

1322
01:04:40,733 --> 01:04:41,333
Speaker 3: my seat.

1323
01:04:42,613 --> 01:04:45,133
Speaker 17: Well, so why is it any difference that you're going

1324
01:04:45,213 --> 01:04:50,413
Speaker 17: to increase your chances. Let's not rewrite history now, gentlemen,

1325
01:04:50,493 --> 01:04:55,453
Speaker 17: I'm just recorded revisionists.

1326
01:04:55,493 --> 01:04:58,933
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're just going to shut down demands.

1327
01:04:58,973 --> 01:05:03,573
Speaker 17: Increase your chances because you pay, or the corollary of that,

1328
01:05:04,213 --> 01:05:08,133
Speaker 17: you are not going to decrease your chances if you don't.

1329
01:05:08,333 --> 01:05:11,213
Speaker 17: Okay this, I mean, I am absolutely smacks.

1330
01:05:11,853 --> 01:05:13,253
Speaker 2: So then what do you say, Jennifer, What do you

1331
01:05:13,253 --> 01:05:15,333
Speaker 2: say to Jennifer? What do you say to Nadia who

1332
01:05:15,413 --> 01:05:18,973
Speaker 2: rang before and she said she agreed? And when increasing

1333
01:05:19,013 --> 01:05:21,093
Speaker 2: your chances, don't really think because as I said before,

1334
01:05:21,133 --> 01:05:25,013
Speaker 2: you absolutely can't expect anything at all. But it's a

1335
01:05:25,013 --> 01:05:28,253
Speaker 2: way to show that you think that this date went well.

1336
01:05:28,253 --> 01:05:30,213
Speaker 2: It's a way to demonstrate that you think that this

1337
01:05:30,253 --> 01:05:33,253
Speaker 2: went really really well, and you you want to see

1338
01:05:33,293 --> 01:05:36,533
Speaker 2: them again. So if you're going on a date, if

1339
01:05:36,533 --> 01:05:38,093
Speaker 2: you're going on a date, you do want to increase

1340
01:05:38,093 --> 01:05:39,773
Speaker 2: your chances. If you like someone, of course you want

1341
01:05:39,813 --> 01:05:41,733
Speaker 2: to increase your chances. Of having another date.

1342
01:05:41,573 --> 01:05:45,853
Speaker 17: With on how to increase your chances without taking our

1343
01:05:46,053 --> 01:05:49,213
Speaker 17: credit card, because I'm gonna say that is just so,

1344
01:05:49,253 --> 01:05:52,853
Speaker 17: it's so brutish. It is just so brutish. All right,

1345
01:05:52,973 --> 01:05:57,853
Speaker 17: give you a how about asking questions, listening to the answers.

1346
01:05:59,293 --> 01:06:04,293
Speaker 17: How somebody feels about having a meal sponsored? What is

1347
01:06:04,373 --> 01:06:05,333
Speaker 17: their view on that?

1348
01:06:06,173 --> 01:06:07,973
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's fair enough.

1349
01:06:08,533 --> 01:06:09,013
Speaker 6: We just lost.

1350
01:06:10,293 --> 01:06:15,813
Speaker 2: Then I'm loving to share with Jennifer, and she's she keeps.

1351
01:06:15,853 --> 01:06:19,573
Speaker 3: Yeah, if we're cutting out, Jennifer, you're still there.

1352
01:06:20,613 --> 01:06:25,653
Speaker 17: Yeah, how about I've had a wonderful evening, scintillating conversation.

1353
01:06:26,013 --> 01:06:28,413
Speaker 17: I would love to have another date with you, as

1354
01:06:28,413 --> 01:06:32,813
Speaker 17: opposed to somebody trying to read into or I've played

1355
01:06:32,813 --> 01:06:33,133
Speaker 17: the ball.

1356
01:06:33,253 --> 01:06:34,853
Speaker 7: So I quite like you.

1357
01:06:35,253 --> 01:06:38,533
Speaker 17: Oh my word, grug, let's just bring out the accent

1358
01:06:38,653 --> 01:06:39,693
Speaker 17: and be done with it.

1359
01:06:40,093 --> 01:06:43,493
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm not a great conversationalist, Jennifer, and I.

1360
01:06:43,413 --> 01:06:46,933
Speaker 17: Don't really to be dating anyway, So I suppose it's

1361
01:06:46,933 --> 01:06:47,213
Speaker 17: a mood.

1362
01:06:47,653 --> 01:06:49,453
Speaker 3: He hates listening as well, So you know, that's a

1363
01:06:49,453 --> 01:06:50,533
Speaker 3: lot of that's a lot of work from that.

1364
01:06:50,693 --> 01:06:53,053
Speaker 2: No, No, I do see I do see your point, Jennifer.

1365
01:06:53,053 --> 01:06:55,413
Speaker 2: That is, I do see your point Jennifer that it

1366
01:06:55,533 --> 01:07:00,533
Speaker 2: is a you know, it does sound kind of I guess,

1367
01:07:01,413 --> 01:07:04,933
Speaker 2: uh dodgy to say that you pay for the dinner

1368
01:07:04,973 --> 01:07:08,533
Speaker 2: to increase your chances. Uh, and and so like, Oh,

1369
01:07:08,693 --> 01:07:10,253
Speaker 2: I do want to walk that back a little bit

1370
01:07:10,293 --> 01:07:13,493
Speaker 2: and just hide behind you doing it because you want

1371
01:07:13,533 --> 01:07:15,813
Speaker 2: to just demonstrate how much you like them and how

1372
01:07:15,893 --> 01:07:18,373
Speaker 2: much you want another day, which is probably just a

1373
01:07:18,373 --> 01:07:19,893
Speaker 2: wayser words to say the same thing.

1374
01:07:19,973 --> 01:07:25,453
Speaker 17: But I'll tell you, I would really hope that if

1375
01:07:25,533 --> 01:07:29,613
Speaker 17: anybody listening to this conversation takes anything out of it,

1376
01:07:29,613 --> 01:07:34,133
Speaker 17: it's to actually converse, as opposed to showing. Oh I've

1377
01:07:34,133 --> 01:07:37,013
Speaker 17: had people show me their car keys in an attempt

1378
01:07:37,053 --> 01:07:44,373
Speaker 17: to a bit of one upmanship. Let's I've had people

1379
01:07:44,453 --> 01:07:50,173
Speaker 17: show me the color of their credit card. I've had

1380
01:07:50,253 --> 01:07:53,373
Speaker 17: people in a boardroom assume that I was there to

1381
01:07:53,493 --> 01:07:57,173
Speaker 17: pull the te when I was, in fact the chairperson.

1382
01:07:58,333 --> 01:08:01,413
Speaker 17: I've been there and done that. I must tell you,

1383
01:08:01,493 --> 01:08:03,613
Speaker 17: the best thing you can do is have an open,

1384
01:08:03,733 --> 01:08:08,213
Speaker 17: honest conversation where people respect people. What if it's to

1385
01:08:08,413 --> 01:08:10,493
Speaker 17: women having a date or two men having a.

1386
01:08:10,493 --> 01:08:14,293
Speaker 16: Date, Yep, yeah, would have a conversation.

1387
01:08:15,333 --> 01:08:19,452
Speaker 17: How do you feel is this type of restaurant. Are

1388
01:08:19,452 --> 01:08:20,692
Speaker 17: you comfortable with it?

1389
01:08:20,733 --> 01:08:20,973
Speaker 5: Is it?

1390
01:08:21,093 --> 01:08:24,012
Speaker 17: Is it in your range? I don't know much about you,

1391
01:08:24,053 --> 01:08:27,253
Speaker 17: so forgive me, but i'm a McDonald's person, or I'm

1392
01:08:27,372 --> 01:08:32,772
Speaker 17: a dog a station person or whatever. You have those conversations, Well.

1393
01:08:32,612 --> 01:08:34,652
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Jennifer. I think you make some

1394
01:08:34,692 --> 01:08:35,333
Speaker 2: good points there.

1395
01:08:35,412 --> 01:08:36,852
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wouldjoin that conversation.

1396
01:08:36,933 --> 01:08:39,692
Speaker 2: I just will say that if you're with Jennifer and

1397
01:08:39,853 --> 01:08:42,932
Speaker 2: you go halves on the thing, then it all works out.

1398
01:08:43,013 --> 01:08:44,412
Speaker 3: Yeah, you might get a second date.

1399
01:08:44,253 --> 01:08:46,492
Speaker 2: But not everyone's Jennifer. Well, I'm just saying. I still

1400
01:08:46,492 --> 01:08:47,372
Speaker 2: say it's risky.

1401
01:08:47,412 --> 01:08:48,892
Speaker 3: And of course if you go to a date, Yeah,

1402
01:08:48,893 --> 01:08:50,692
Speaker 3: talking is a good idea. Don't just turn up and

1403
01:08:50,732 --> 01:08:52,213
Speaker 3: chuck money on their face and say I've got this.

1404
01:08:52,293 --> 01:08:54,333
Speaker 3: Yeah you want to you want to actually talk and

1405
01:08:54,372 --> 01:08:55,133
Speaker 3: have conversations.

1406
01:08:55,133 --> 01:08:56,892
Speaker 2: Turn up, you put your car keys so they can

1407
01:08:56,893 --> 01:08:58,972
Speaker 2: see what kind of car are you driving, and then

1408
01:08:59,013 --> 01:09:00,972
Speaker 2: you say, get it whatever you want unloaded, I'll pay

1409
01:09:00,973 --> 01:09:02,772
Speaker 2: for it, and then it's.

1410
01:09:04,133 --> 01:09:07,652
Speaker 3: All right anyway, all right, Oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty.

1411
01:09:07,732 --> 01:09:11,412
Speaker 3: Jennifer kicked off the text machine, which is great. Nine.

1412
01:09:11,452 --> 01:09:13,293
Speaker 3: So if you want to send a text message, it

1413
01:09:13,372 --> 01:09:14,333
Speaker 3: is eighteen.

1414
01:09:14,013 --> 01:09:18,932
Speaker 1: To three, Mattie Tyler Adams with you as your afternoon

1415
01:09:19,013 --> 01:09:22,772
Speaker 1: rolls on Matt and Taylor Afternoons with the Volvo XC

1416
01:09:22,893 --> 01:09:26,372
Speaker 1: ninety attention to detail and a commitment to comfort news talk.

1417
01:09:26,452 --> 01:09:30,093
Speaker 3: Sa'd be good afternoon. It is a quarter to three,

1418
01:09:30,093 --> 01:09:34,652
Speaker 3: and having a great discussion about should the man always pay? Jennifer,

1419
01:09:34,692 --> 01:09:38,972
Speaker 3: who called before, has certainly kicked off the text coming through.

1420
01:09:39,013 --> 01:09:41,333
Speaker 2: Hey guys, not all women are like Jennifer. Wind me,

1421
01:09:41,612 --> 01:09:46,133
Speaker 2: dine me, and pay for me please. That's from a lady. See,

1422
01:09:46,173 --> 01:09:48,293
Speaker 2: that's well, that's all I'm saying. I'm saying that. Sure,

1423
01:09:48,492 --> 01:09:51,973
Speaker 2: maybe you've got a Jennifer that thinks that my scintillating

1424
01:09:51,973 --> 01:09:52,932
Speaker 2: conversation is enough.

1425
01:09:54,173 --> 01:09:54,972
Speaker 3: She clearly did on.

1426
01:09:54,933 --> 01:09:55,412
Speaker 2: That phone call.

1427
01:09:55,492 --> 01:09:56,932
Speaker 3: Yeah, you turned her around in the end.

1428
01:09:57,133 --> 01:10:00,892
Speaker 2: But you know, I'm gonna I'm gonna buy that meal,

1429
01:10:01,973 --> 01:10:06,293
Speaker 2: and I'm just as a gesture of goodwill and a

1430
01:10:06,293 --> 01:10:09,173
Speaker 2: suggestion that I'm keen on a second day, no other

1431
01:10:10,452 --> 01:10:12,972
Speaker 2: you know, there's no obligation attached to that. Yeah, you know,

1432
01:10:13,133 --> 01:10:15,692
Speaker 2: there's no obligation for the second date. There's no obligation

1433
01:10:15,812 --> 01:10:19,732
Speaker 2: for anything at all. But it is just a way

1434
01:10:19,973 --> 01:10:24,133
Speaker 2: to say, you know, a gesture of I am key.

1435
01:10:24,372 --> 01:10:26,372
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, this is why it's such a mine field,

1436
01:10:26,372 --> 01:10:28,093
Speaker 3: because you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.

1437
01:10:28,293 --> 01:10:30,452
Speaker 3: Here's one for you though. So you mentioned the very

1438
01:10:30,452 --> 01:10:32,492
Speaker 3: smooth act of saying I've just got to shoot to

1439
01:10:32,532 --> 01:10:35,492
Speaker 3: the loo. Then you go straight up to the to

1440
01:10:35,532 --> 01:10:37,692
Speaker 3: the bar and pay for the meal before she even knows.

1441
01:10:37,732 --> 01:10:39,412
Speaker 3: Then you go back and she says, oh, should we

1442
01:10:39,412 --> 01:10:41,933
Speaker 3: split it? And don't worry. We go, I've paid for it.

1443
01:10:42,093 --> 01:10:43,532
Speaker 2: Here you go, I've just got to take it.

1444
01:10:43,732 --> 01:10:47,773
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got terrible guards, very romantic. There's no conversations

1445
01:10:48,333 --> 01:10:50,652
Speaker 3: talked about it. I've just got to go. I've really

1446
01:10:50,692 --> 01:10:52,253
Speaker 3: got to go. And then you off and pay the bill.

1447
01:10:52,333 --> 01:10:52,492
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1448
01:10:52,532 --> 01:10:54,372
Speaker 3: But you come back and you say, don't worry, I've

1449
01:10:54,412 --> 01:10:57,612
Speaker 3: sort of it all out. But then she says, how

1450
01:10:57,692 --> 01:11:00,053
Speaker 3: dare you? What's your account number? I want to pay

1451
01:11:00,053 --> 01:11:01,093
Speaker 3: your half? What do you say?

1452
01:11:01,133 --> 01:11:01,293
Speaker 23: Then?

1453
01:11:01,812 --> 01:11:05,173
Speaker 3: I say, no, I don't have a bank account. I

1454
01:11:05,213 --> 01:11:06,253
Speaker 3: paid with it with crypto.

1455
01:11:07,372 --> 01:11:10,333
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd rather die than let you pay half of this.

1456
01:11:10,772 --> 01:11:13,372
Speaker 3: One hundred and eighty ten eighty CE number to call Pete?

1457
01:11:13,452 --> 01:11:16,412
Speaker 3: How are you your thoughts that entirely you treat it.

1458
01:11:16,452 --> 01:11:18,133
Speaker 25: Like a business deal. You know, you look into the

1459
01:11:18,173 --> 01:11:20,732
Speaker 25: business day. What you do is you got up a coffee,

1460
01:11:20,893 --> 01:11:23,932
Speaker 25: you meet the business to think that trays a bit different,

1461
01:11:24,133 --> 01:11:26,452
Speaker 25: but it's like first to watch. If you meet the

1462
01:11:26,532 --> 01:11:29,253
Speaker 25: McDonald's or KF inspect, you expect to pay for that.

1463
01:11:29,612 --> 01:11:31,973
Speaker 25: But if there's all depends on the situation. How you

1464
01:11:32,053 --> 01:11:35,452
Speaker 25: meet your middle lady on Tinder or whatever. I expect

1465
01:11:35,452 --> 01:11:37,692
Speaker 25: if you go to a restaurant it's a nice place

1466
01:11:37,732 --> 01:11:40,492
Speaker 25: and that you know, you try to match up. You're

1467
01:11:40,492 --> 01:11:42,133
Speaker 25: looking for a relationship. Hope it's going to be a

1468
01:11:42,173 --> 01:11:44,892
Speaker 25: long term situation. Is to what you do is I

1469
01:11:44,893 --> 01:11:47,253
Speaker 25: think it's only a gentleman agreement and a ladies gentlemen

1470
01:11:47,333 --> 01:11:50,492
Speaker 25: as to go halves. You know, but you'll soon suss it.

1471
01:11:50,572 --> 01:11:52,412
Speaker 25: He gave by the vis you know it does. So

1472
01:11:52,532 --> 01:11:55,053
Speaker 25: what you do is you susser around and you think, well,

1473
01:11:55,293 --> 01:11:57,253
Speaker 25: you go make the business deal. I think I really

1474
01:11:57,333 --> 01:11:59,812
Speaker 25: like this lady. I might invest a bit more in

1475
01:11:59,853 --> 01:12:03,053
Speaker 25: this in this business. It's like a business. But what

1476
01:12:03,093 --> 01:12:04,732
Speaker 25: you do, maybe you pay, but you think you're not

1477
01:12:04,853 --> 01:12:06,932
Speaker 25: going the right way. I think you can't. You kind

1478
01:12:06,933 --> 01:12:08,932
Speaker 25: of right off there they muck around a few still

1479
01:12:08,933 --> 01:12:11,133
Speaker 25: go and just call it and go your way, and

1480
01:12:11,572 --> 01:12:13,053
Speaker 25: otherwise you're going to be the suck to the next

1481
01:12:13,173 --> 01:12:14,772
Speaker 25: victim of here. It's going to do the next factor

1482
01:12:15,173 --> 01:12:16,253
Speaker 25: going to pay for a free meal?

1483
01:12:16,732 --> 01:12:18,572
Speaker 2: I go, it'll be interesting to treat it fully like

1484
01:12:18,572 --> 01:12:20,772
Speaker 2: a business steal. You go, well, you know what this was? Okay,

1485
01:12:20,853 --> 01:12:22,532
Speaker 2: so I'm going to pay seventy five percent?

1486
01:12:23,652 --> 01:12:26,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, my original quote. I'm just going to take

1487
01:12:26,173 --> 01:12:28,213
Speaker 3: that down a little bit more because it wasn't quite

1488
01:12:28,253 --> 01:12:34,812
Speaker 3: what I expected. Pete, what's that? Thank you? Very He

1489
01:12:35,093 --> 01:12:37,493
Speaker 3: treat it like a business steel Yeah, controversial.

1490
01:12:37,612 --> 01:12:39,692
Speaker 2: Yeah, you make investments for the future.

1491
01:12:40,973 --> 01:12:41,932
Speaker 3: George, how are you?

1492
01:12:43,612 --> 01:12:45,972
Speaker 26: I'm not too bad Fellas. Hey, gee, you're opening yourself

1493
01:12:46,053 --> 01:12:49,173
Speaker 26: up there against against Jennifer. I think she had you

1494
01:12:49,173 --> 01:12:50,092
Speaker 26: well and truly covered.

1495
01:12:51,412 --> 01:12:53,252
Speaker 7: She was PI Jennifer.

1496
01:12:53,893 --> 01:12:57,652
Speaker 26: Jennifer for crying out loud discussing your engagement and going

1497
01:12:58,053 --> 01:12:59,452
Speaker 26: engagement shopping together?

1498
01:12:59,492 --> 01:12:59,892
Speaker 5: Where's that?

1499
01:12:59,973 --> 01:13:03,333
Speaker 26: Where's the romance? And that Jennifer, your man proposed to you,

1500
01:13:03,492 --> 01:13:05,213
Speaker 26: even if even if it is with a two dollars

1501
01:13:05,253 --> 01:13:08,253
Speaker 26: shop ring that will soon be exchanged for one new

1502
01:13:08,452 --> 01:13:10,932
Speaker 26: prefer and that you get yourself swept off your feet,

1503
01:13:10,973 --> 01:13:13,972
Speaker 26: and that I think I think she rules the roost

1504
01:13:13,973 --> 01:13:16,133
Speaker 26: on the home front, does Jennifer.

1505
01:13:16,293 --> 01:13:18,732
Speaker 2: Yeah, so if her partner had gone off and look

1506
01:13:18,812 --> 01:13:21,133
Speaker 2: had a great conversation with Jennifers. This is all hypothetical,

1507
01:13:21,133 --> 01:13:22,692
Speaker 2: But if her partner had gone off and just got

1508
01:13:22,692 --> 01:13:25,133
Speaker 2: the engagement ring that he wanted to seeing as she

1509
01:13:25,173 --> 01:13:26,772
Speaker 2: wanted to go half to get twice as good as

1510
01:13:26,812 --> 01:13:29,093
Speaker 2: one would she have turned a nose up at the

1511
01:13:29,093 --> 01:13:31,812
Speaker 2: engagement ring that he brought back. Yeah, that's the question.

1512
01:13:32,213 --> 01:13:35,412
Speaker 2: And then you ask, you ask what is an engagement ring?

1513
01:13:35,492 --> 01:13:35,692
Speaker 3: Is it?

1514
01:13:35,812 --> 01:13:38,492
Speaker 2: Is it a financial outlay or is it just a

1515
01:13:38,532 --> 01:13:41,173
Speaker 2: symbol of love that can be any any amount of money.

1516
01:13:42,452 --> 01:13:44,293
Speaker 26: Yeah, I think you've got to sweep people off your

1517
01:13:44,293 --> 01:13:46,732
Speaker 26: feet with an engagement But be that as it may.

1518
01:13:47,853 --> 01:13:49,933
Speaker 26: Maybe maybe you're off one hundred percent, And if you

1519
01:13:49,933 --> 01:13:53,333
Speaker 26: get a response that would be one like Jennifer's, that

1520
01:13:53,452 --> 01:13:56,012
Speaker 26: it may or may not impact your decision on pursuing

1521
01:13:56,293 --> 01:14:00,293
Speaker 26: a second date. But just on the account structure, I'm

1522
01:14:00,333 --> 01:14:04,092
Speaker 26: like you, man, I'm questionable of Tyler's intensions keeping it Sep.

1523
01:14:05,173 --> 01:14:06,492
Speaker 13: We've got the dream set up.

1524
01:14:06,572 --> 01:14:10,452
Speaker 26: It all goes into one get siphoned off, mortgage gets paid,

1525
01:14:11,053 --> 01:14:13,173
Speaker 26: but you have a fun money account. So Chris Key

1526
01:14:13,652 --> 01:14:16,013
Speaker 26: talks about this on his radio show. There's probably the

1527
01:14:16,013 --> 01:14:18,253
Speaker 26: only thing I believe that comes out of Chris Keys now.

1528
01:14:18,492 --> 01:14:20,932
Speaker 21: But it's fun money, and.

1529
01:14:21,333 --> 01:14:23,932
Speaker 26: It's two hundred each. You can spend it as you will.

1530
01:14:24,013 --> 01:14:26,093
Speaker 26: You know, I can live off two minute noodles from

1531
01:14:26,093 --> 01:14:28,492
Speaker 26: Monday through Friday and blow it in the weekend. Yeah,

1532
01:14:28,532 --> 01:14:30,772
Speaker 26: I can save it up for my wife, can save

1533
01:14:30,772 --> 01:14:33,173
Speaker 26: it up for a parent jeans she likes the next week.

1534
01:14:33,213 --> 01:14:37,052
Speaker 26: But there's no judgment about where that where that fun

1535
01:14:37,093 --> 01:14:40,132
Speaker 26: money goes. It's yours to do with what you please.

1536
01:14:40,532 --> 01:14:41,973
Speaker 26: And you don't have to get the back match at

1537
01:14:41,973 --> 01:14:44,412
Speaker 26: home when you when you come home with a new

1538
01:14:44,452 --> 01:14:46,492
Speaker 26: with a new phone or a new driver.

1539
01:14:47,173 --> 01:14:48,532
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you see.

1540
01:14:48,532 --> 01:14:51,173
Speaker 2: So George agrees with me that your partner maybe should

1541
01:14:51,173 --> 01:14:53,333
Speaker 2: be concerned that you're keeping a separate bank account because

1542
01:14:53,333 --> 01:14:55,452
Speaker 2: it seems to me and George that you might be

1543
01:14:55,492 --> 01:14:57,732
Speaker 2: cheating on her. And you don't want to see different

1544
01:14:57,732 --> 01:14:58,532
Speaker 2: dinners being brought.

1545
01:14:58,572 --> 01:15:01,253
Speaker 3: But George and Matt, so you guys seem to think

1546
01:15:01,253 --> 01:15:03,732
Speaker 3: that I'm getting the better deal here when I can

1547
01:15:03,772 --> 01:15:06,892
Speaker 3: tell you that spending money, I pay for all the

1548
01:15:06,933 --> 01:15:09,253
Speaker 3: spending money for both me and May. So I'm the

1549
01:15:09,333 --> 01:15:11,173
Speaker 3: run one getting the raw deal here. If we go

1550
01:15:11,253 --> 01:15:13,732
Speaker 3: out to they say we went to the polo the ponies.

1551
01:15:14,853 --> 01:15:18,772
Speaker 3: Who's the one paying for all the drinks there? Me?

1552
01:15:18,772 --> 01:15:18,852
Speaker 20: Me?

1553
01:15:19,652 --> 01:15:22,653
Speaker 3: So she's getting the better deal with here, mate, Sorry, Georgie.

1554
01:15:22,372 --> 01:15:22,492
Speaker 17: You go.

1555
01:15:22,612 --> 01:15:25,732
Speaker 26: Tyler, you you you were, you were flexing your muscles

1556
01:15:25,732 --> 01:15:28,213
Speaker 26: in about how more goes into your bank account than

1557
01:15:28,253 --> 01:15:28,892
Speaker 26: it does your wife.

1558
01:15:28,933 --> 01:15:29,612
Speaker 22: So don't try and.

1559
01:15:32,412 --> 01:15:36,412
Speaker 26: Better better deal my friend. You know you share the

1560
01:15:36,532 --> 01:15:40,333
Speaker 26: love Tyler big enough to put all your money into

1561
01:15:40,333 --> 01:15:40,892
Speaker 26: one account?

1562
01:15:40,973 --> 01:15:43,852
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, can I just can't off a bit of

1563
01:15:43,853 --> 01:15:47,772
Speaker 3: fun money? So you've had a rowback, Matt, Can I

1564
01:15:47,812 --> 01:15:49,612
Speaker 3: just have a rowback as well? As I shouldn't have

1565
01:15:49,612 --> 01:15:51,013
Speaker 3: said that that. We know how to take that back.

1566
01:15:51,053 --> 01:15:54,253
Speaker 3: We'll just scratch that from the record recorded. I've already

1567
01:15:54,293 --> 01:15:55,132
Speaker 3: sent it to your partner.

1568
01:15:55,692 --> 01:15:57,333
Speaker 2: All right, Hey, thank you so much, George.

1569
01:15:58,372 --> 01:16:00,652
Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh, eight hundred AC ten and eighty is the

1570
01:16:00,812 --> 01:16:02,892
Speaker 3: number to call this great.

1571
01:16:02,772 --> 01:16:05,013
Speaker 2: Text coming through this Texas says it's attractive when men

1572
01:16:05,053 --> 01:16:07,012
Speaker 2: take the lead and pay on the first date. Traditional

1573
01:16:07,013 --> 01:16:12,852
Speaker 2: messk and man code. If he asks her he should pay, Yeah, yeah, right.

1574
01:16:12,772 --> 01:16:13,812
Speaker 3: That kind of sums it up.

1575
01:16:14,173 --> 01:16:16,652
Speaker 2: Uh loly Junifer text.

1576
01:16:16,812 --> 01:16:19,213
Speaker 3: We just got to censor a few of them, so

1577
01:16:19,412 --> 01:16:21,452
Speaker 3: we'll do that over the break and wead some more

1578
01:16:21,532 --> 01:16:24,372
Speaker 3: Jennifer texts. Very shortly, it is eight to three.

1579
01:16:25,173 --> 01:16:27,612
Speaker 1: The issues that affect you and a bit of fun

1580
01:16:27,652 --> 01:16:30,932
Speaker 1: along the way, Matt and Taylor Afternoons with the Volvo

1581
01:16:31,213 --> 01:16:35,213
Speaker 1: XCN eighty Innovation, Style and Design, have it all news talks?

1582
01:16:35,213 --> 01:16:39,333
Speaker 3: He'd be new whose talks? He'd be five to three.

1583
01:16:39,933 --> 01:16:42,652
Speaker 3: Some great tickes have come through on nine two ninety two, hey.

1584
01:16:42,612 --> 01:16:44,812
Speaker 2: Land's Great Show made of Mine? When on a second

1585
01:16:44,893 --> 01:16:46,492
Speaker 2: date and took a ring with him to put on

1586
01:16:46,532 --> 01:16:49,853
Speaker 2: her finger, she went to the bathroom and never returned.

1587
01:16:49,973 --> 01:16:52,573
Speaker 2: Cheers Cam. Oh, oh that's a heartbreaker.

1588
01:16:52,692 --> 01:16:56,532
Speaker 3: That is a heartbreaker. Second date, So you're sitting at

1589
01:16:56,532 --> 01:16:59,133
Speaker 3: the table. Yeah, I mean, to be fair, he's really

1590
01:16:59,133 --> 01:17:00,612
Speaker 3: he proposes on the second date.

1591
01:17:00,732 --> 01:17:02,652
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, yeah, that's true. I mean there's there's

1592
01:17:02,652 --> 01:17:04,173
Speaker 2: an error there. I mean he needed to put in

1593
01:17:04,173 --> 01:17:04,612
Speaker 2: some more work.

1594
01:17:04,692 --> 01:17:04,852
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1595
01:17:04,893 --> 01:17:06,333
Speaker 3: I wonder if he paid for the dinner on the

1596
01:17:06,333 --> 01:17:07,572
Speaker 3: first date. Maybe not.

1597
01:17:07,772 --> 01:17:09,412
Speaker 2: I wonder for the dinner on the one s where

1598
01:17:09,412 --> 01:17:12,732
Speaker 2: she gapped up before she got the ring. But Yeah,

1599
01:17:12,732 --> 01:17:14,572
Speaker 2: that's a sad story. I just mentioned I'm sitting there

1600
01:17:14,572 --> 01:17:15,972
Speaker 2: at the table waiting for her to come back from

1601
01:17:15,973 --> 01:17:16,932
Speaker 2: the bathroom with his ring.

1602
01:17:17,173 --> 01:17:19,333
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I didn't need to visualize that. That is

1603
01:17:19,372 --> 01:17:23,812
Speaker 3: a very sad story. It's been a great first day. Yeah, guys, Yes,

1604
01:17:23,853 --> 01:17:26,052
Speaker 3: why can't you use your charm? You pay for dinner

1605
01:17:26,173 --> 01:17:28,013
Speaker 3: and if she wants to split it, just indicate that

1606
01:17:28,053 --> 01:17:29,572
Speaker 3: she can pay the next state. But you sneak off

1607
01:17:29,612 --> 01:17:30,572
Speaker 3: and pay for that one too.

1608
01:17:30,732 --> 01:17:33,133
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's a winning strategy.

1609
01:17:33,492 --> 01:17:35,892
Speaker 3: I'm a thirty eight year old female. Bring back chivalry.

1610
01:17:36,053 --> 01:17:38,452
Speaker 2: The female human is designed to seek out a secure

1611
01:17:38,452 --> 01:17:39,692
Speaker 2: partner for security and protection.

1612
01:17:39,732 --> 01:17:40,532
Speaker 3: It's human nature.

1613
01:17:40,853 --> 01:17:43,093
Speaker 2: The whole woman can do anything and be equal and

1614
01:17:43,173 --> 01:17:46,532
Speaker 2: everything is the biggest disaster of our generation. Only woman

1615
01:17:46,572 --> 01:17:48,333
Speaker 2: whoever womb and can create life.

1616
01:17:48,492 --> 01:17:48,812
Speaker 3: Fact.

1617
01:17:49,133 --> 01:17:51,133
Speaker 2: So yes, a man should do everything he can to

1618
01:17:51,173 --> 01:17:54,133
Speaker 2: prove he can provide safety and security to the woman

1619
01:17:54,133 --> 01:17:56,173
Speaker 2: for the rest of her life. That is what dating

1620
01:17:56,213 --> 01:17:58,492
Speaker 2: is about for a woman. Keep it simple. A woman

1621
01:17:58,612 --> 01:18:01,652
Speaker 2: like me is a magical, powerful creature that all men

1622
01:18:01,692 --> 01:18:04,492
Speaker 2: should treat us like that and work hard to prove

1623
01:18:04,572 --> 01:18:05,532
Speaker 2: they are worthy of us.

1624
01:18:06,053 --> 01:18:06,572
Speaker 3: Good text.

1625
01:18:07,572 --> 01:18:11,133
Speaker 2: That sounded like a from a from my Lord of

1626
01:18:11,133 --> 01:18:12,052
Speaker 2: the Rings or something.

1627
01:18:11,893 --> 01:18:13,932
Speaker 3: Very well written. Yeah, I think that's a good place

1628
01:18:13,933 --> 01:18:16,173
Speaker 3: to leave that discussion. Actually, there's one.

1629
01:18:16,173 --> 01:18:20,293
Speaker 2: I only buy my my dates Chinese meals because they're cheap.

1630
01:18:20,372 --> 01:18:23,452
Speaker 3: That kind of ruins, that doesn't it. Yeah, but that's

1631
01:18:23,492 --> 01:18:25,133
Speaker 3: going to be a red flag as well. Yeah, I'm

1632
01:18:25,133 --> 01:18:27,492
Speaker 3: not knocking Chinese food, good food, but on a first date,

1633
01:18:27,853 --> 01:18:32,573
Speaker 3: I don't know. Well this what's a fancy Chinese restaurants Tyler? Yeah,

1634
01:18:33,452 --> 01:18:36,452
Speaker 3: eighties and able to call. Hey, coming up after three o'clock.

1635
01:18:36,492 --> 01:18:38,732
Speaker 3: We want to have a chat about how long is

1636
01:18:38,812 --> 01:18:41,692
Speaker 3: too long to leave meat out of the refrigerator? This

1637
01:18:41,812 --> 01:18:42,812
Speaker 3: is a crucial topic.

1638
01:18:42,973 --> 01:18:45,772
Speaker 2: Yeah, hap to Matt, I've got I've got a whole

1639
01:18:45,853 --> 01:18:47,572
Speaker 2: box of meat. I wonder if I can eat it.

1640
01:18:48,293 --> 01:18:51,093
Speaker 3: Nineteen nineties a deex News, Sport and Weather on its

1641
01:18:51,133 --> 01:18:53,172
Speaker 3: way your.

1642
01:18:53,133 --> 01:18:56,092
Speaker 5: New home for insightful and entertaining talk.

1643
01:18:56,253 --> 01:19:00,412
Speaker 1: It's Mattia and Taylor Adams Afternoons with the Volvo X

1644
01:19:00,732 --> 01:19:02,293
Speaker 1: eighty on News Talk SEV.

1645
01:19:03,253 --> 01:19:06,492
Speaker 3: Good afternoon, it is seven past three, so this is

1646
01:19:06,612 --> 01:19:09,052
Speaker 3: quite a serious topic. We're about to go in to. Now,

1647
01:19:09,213 --> 01:19:13,612
Speaker 3: how long should you can you leave meat out of

1648
01:19:13,612 --> 01:19:16,692
Speaker 3: the refrigerator before consuming. This is something that you were

1649
01:19:16,692 --> 01:19:17,452
Speaker 3: facing right now.

1650
01:19:17,492 --> 01:19:20,652
Speaker 2: Man, that's right. I think the best buy is just

1651
01:19:20,853 --> 01:19:23,852
Speaker 2: a vague suggestion that you maybe like glance over. But

1652
01:19:23,933 --> 01:19:25,812
Speaker 2: I think you trust your nose. That's that's my opinion.

1653
01:19:25,853 --> 01:19:27,293
Speaker 2: Don't know if you look it up anywhere or you

1654
01:19:27,293 --> 01:19:30,732
Speaker 2: talk to any experits, they're scared, so they go for

1655
01:19:30,772 --> 01:19:31,892
Speaker 2: the safety approach.

1656
01:19:31,973 --> 01:19:33,932
Speaker 3: And you know, every time anyone I've tried to talk.

1657
01:19:33,812 --> 01:19:39,612
Speaker 2: About this again, what happened was this great New Zealand

1658
01:19:39,652 --> 01:19:43,013
Speaker 2: as a Holy Cow butchery and Cambridge you might know

1659
01:19:43,093 --> 01:19:46,492
Speaker 2: it that they're an artisan butchery and they they're the

1660
01:19:46,532 --> 01:19:49,053
Speaker 2: whole system kind of butchery. They care and inspect for

1661
01:19:49,093 --> 01:19:54,253
Speaker 2: the land, the animals and the community. They're fantastic butchery

1662
01:19:55,372 --> 01:19:58,093
Speaker 2: and it's the whole whole system kind of thing. You know,

1663
01:19:58,133 --> 01:20:03,012
Speaker 2: a local circular, closed loop regenitaive system would describe the math. Yeah,

1664
01:20:03,173 --> 01:20:03,812
Speaker 2: Holy Cow.

1665
01:20:03,732 --> 01:20:05,452
Speaker 3: Good place and they sound like good people. So what

1666
01:20:05,532 --> 01:20:07,173
Speaker 3: did they send you the meat? Is that because you've

1667
01:20:07,173 --> 01:20:08,772
Speaker 3: been you've been a friend of the farmer's lately.

1668
01:20:08,652 --> 01:20:10,093
Speaker 2: Well, I am a friend of a farmer's. I am

1669
01:20:10,093 --> 01:20:11,892
Speaker 2: a friend of the farmer's. Yeah, I talk them up

1670
01:20:11,933 --> 01:20:14,572
Speaker 2: and I'm a friend of the of the Holy Cow Butchery.

1671
01:20:14,772 --> 01:20:16,812
Speaker 2: But that's the point they said that I'm not friendly

1672
01:20:17,093 --> 01:20:18,892
Speaker 2: with the couriers that they were used to send the

1673
01:20:18,893 --> 01:20:21,652
Speaker 2: meat up because they send it in a same day courier, right.

1674
01:20:22,013 --> 01:20:23,732
Speaker 2: And so it was in a in a box and

1675
01:20:23,772 --> 01:20:27,293
Speaker 2: it was a calling calling box. It looked like it

1676
01:20:27,372 --> 01:20:29,452
Speaker 2: was going to have the head from the end of

1677
01:20:29,492 --> 01:20:31,173
Speaker 2: seven with Brad Pitt.

1678
01:20:30,933 --> 01:20:33,412
Speaker 3: Going what's in the books? But it wasn't.

1679
01:20:33,452 --> 01:20:37,053
Speaker 2: It was some beautiful sausages, there was some steak.

1680
01:20:37,293 --> 01:20:40,772
Speaker 3: There was some lamb in their lamb grenade.

1681
01:20:40,893 --> 01:20:43,532
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I was I was like, well, this is

1682
01:20:43,612 --> 01:20:46,812
Speaker 2: terrible because you know, as we say, the circular nature,

1683
01:20:47,053 --> 01:20:50,333
Speaker 2: you know, every part of the system has been involved

1684
01:20:50,772 --> 01:20:54,133
Speaker 2: and making this this meat. You know, the farmer has

1685
01:20:54,133 --> 01:20:55,852
Speaker 2: put the work in, the butcher's put the work in,

1686
01:20:56,253 --> 01:20:58,093
Speaker 2: the the animals have put the work in.

1687
01:20:58,372 --> 01:21:00,492
Speaker 3: They cently have the animals absolutely put the work.

1688
01:21:00,532 --> 01:21:02,372
Speaker 2: The only person that's not put the work in properly

1689
01:21:02,492 --> 01:21:04,452
Speaker 2: is the courier that's was supposed to deliver it on

1690
01:21:04,452 --> 01:21:06,013
Speaker 2: one day carrier on Friday, and I didn't get it

1691
01:21:06,013 --> 01:21:06,813
Speaker 2: till Monday.

1692
01:21:06,933 --> 01:21:10,372
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, very stressed about it when it came in

1693
01:21:10,412 --> 01:21:12,213
Speaker 3: here and you're like, oh, no, how long has this

1694
01:21:12,293 --> 01:21:14,692
Speaker 3: been sitting around for? Then you tried to ring the

1695
01:21:14,732 --> 01:21:16,492
Speaker 3: courier to find out when they dropped it off. You

1696
01:21:16,532 --> 01:21:18,972
Speaker 3: tried to contact the butchery to say, hey, when did

1697
01:21:18,973 --> 01:21:20,253
Speaker 3: you guys send this stress.

1698
01:21:20,492 --> 01:21:22,013
Speaker 2: I did contact the bookshore. I know when they sent it,

1699
01:21:22,013 --> 01:21:24,412
Speaker 2: and they did absolutely nothing wrong obviously because they were

1700
01:21:24,412 --> 01:21:26,173
Speaker 2: giving it to me, So good on them. But I'm

1701
01:21:26,173 --> 01:21:28,572
Speaker 2: going to eat that meat. I'm going to eat that meat,

1702
01:21:29,133 --> 01:21:32,053
Speaker 2: even the sausage, out of respect, out of respect for

1703
01:21:32,093 --> 01:21:34,892
Speaker 2: the whole process. I'm going to eat it. And I

1704
01:21:34,933 --> 01:21:36,492
Speaker 2: just want to know what's going to happen to me. I mean,

1705
01:21:36,492 --> 01:21:39,092
Speaker 2: it's high quality stuff, and it was in the box

1706
01:21:39,133 --> 01:21:42,812
Speaker 2: so it would have been frozen for a while. So

1707
01:21:42,893 --> 01:21:45,452
Speaker 2: what I did and look nine two nine two, one

1708
01:21:45,532 --> 01:21:50,532
Speaker 2: hundred eighty three eight sorry a one hundred eighty ten

1709
01:21:50,692 --> 01:21:51,973
Speaker 2: eighty it's the number ten?

1710
01:21:52,452 --> 01:21:52,852
Speaker 3: The number?

1711
01:21:52,893 --> 01:21:53,973
Speaker 2: Do I need to write it down for you?

1712
01:21:54,013 --> 01:21:54,333
Speaker 6: Please?

1713
01:21:56,692 --> 01:21:58,013
Speaker 2: What's going to happen to me when I eat this?

1714
01:21:58,492 --> 01:22:02,173
Speaker 2: So I've got it. It's been fresh, beautiful, fantastic, just

1715
01:22:02,213 --> 01:22:09,692
Speaker 2: the absolute nature's best from our beautiful countryautiful Cambridge. It's

1716
01:22:09,973 --> 01:22:12,972
Speaker 2: come here, but it's been in a box for probably three.

1717
01:22:12,893 --> 01:22:15,293
Speaker 3: Days, right to meat out in it. But immediately when

1718
01:22:15,293 --> 01:22:17,892
Speaker 3: I got home, I frozen. Is that a wise thing

1719
01:22:17,933 --> 01:22:20,133
Speaker 3: to do? I don't know. That might be kind of

1720
01:22:20,173 --> 01:22:22,372
Speaker 3: inturitive to what you're trying to do there, but love

1721
01:22:22,372 --> 01:22:24,412
Speaker 3: to hear from you. O eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

1722
01:22:24,732 --> 01:22:29,053
Speaker 3: Should Matt eat this meat? And if he does, is

1723
01:22:29,053 --> 01:22:31,133
Speaker 3: he going to get a little bit sick? Yeah? And

1724
01:22:31,612 --> 01:22:34,173
Speaker 3: do we need a little bit of food poisoning, you know,

1725
01:22:34,293 --> 01:22:36,652
Speaker 3: just to make us hard in this country? I one

1726
01:22:36,692 --> 01:22:39,053
Speaker 3: hundred eighty ten eighty. But genuinely I think we are

1727
01:22:39,093 --> 01:22:41,333
Speaker 3: too silly when it comes to food safety, no doubt

1728
01:22:41,333 --> 01:22:43,213
Speaker 3: about it. You got it it. Don't be an idiot

1729
01:22:43,213 --> 01:22:44,053
Speaker 3: about it, but.

1730
01:22:44,293 --> 01:22:45,213
Speaker 2: Be an idiot about it.

1731
01:22:45,213 --> 01:22:47,492
Speaker 3: But if it's if it's meat that's been sitting out

1732
01:22:47,532 --> 01:22:50,412
Speaker 3: for two, three, four days and it passes the sniff test,

1733
01:22:50,732 --> 01:22:53,133
Speaker 3: cook it up, have a nibble, let it sit for

1734
01:22:53,173 --> 01:22:55,732
Speaker 3: half an hour. If you're right, I at least give

1735
01:22:55,772 --> 01:22:58,093
Speaker 3: it to the dog. Yeah, least. I had one hundred

1736
01:22:58,133 --> 01:22:59,932
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighties. And I'm going to call eleven past

1737
01:22:59,933 --> 01:23:04,093
Speaker 3: three good afternoon. It is thirteen past three now, Just

1738
01:23:04,093 --> 01:23:06,173
Speaker 3: to remind it. In about fifteen minutes. We do have

1739
01:23:06,253 --> 01:23:10,053
Speaker 3: Gareth Abden or in studio employment law expert, taking all

1740
01:23:10,053 --> 01:23:12,972
Speaker 3: your questions and calls on anything to do with what's

1741
01:23:13,013 --> 01:23:15,133
Speaker 3: going on in your workplace and if you're an employee,

1742
01:23:15,452 --> 01:23:17,532
Speaker 3: anything that's going on with your employee. So that is

1743
01:23:17,572 --> 01:23:19,812
Speaker 3: coming up, and it pays to get in early. We've

1744
01:23:19,812 --> 01:23:22,532
Speaker 3: already had a bunch of text questions for them. But

1745
01:23:22,652 --> 01:23:24,892
Speaker 3: nine two ninety two in O eight hundred and eighty

1746
01:23:24,933 --> 01:23:26,813
Speaker 3: ten eighty. If you want to get in early.

1747
01:23:26,652 --> 01:23:28,133
Speaker 27: I'm going to bring up how you touch my arm

1748
01:23:28,173 --> 01:23:32,013
Speaker 27: before he'll say it's okay, that's fine, right, But back

1749
01:23:32,053 --> 01:23:34,852
Speaker 27: to the topic we're discussing now, do we get a

1750
01:23:34,853 --> 01:23:36,892
Speaker 27: bit silly when it comes to food safety?

1751
01:23:36,933 --> 01:23:38,492
Speaker 3: Matt, You're in a bit of a predicament at the

1752
01:23:38,532 --> 01:23:40,093
Speaker 3: moment that you've got meat that's been out of the

1753
01:23:40,093 --> 01:23:42,932
Speaker 3: fridge for at least two maybe three maybe four days.

1754
01:23:43,093 --> 01:23:44,972
Speaker 2: Yeah nah, yeah, so I think it's in on Friday,

1755
01:23:44,973 --> 01:23:47,253
Speaker 2: but I didn't get it till Monday morning. Red meat

1756
01:23:47,333 --> 01:23:49,972
Speaker 2: is fine. I've had venison in an outdoor meat safe

1757
01:23:49,973 --> 01:23:52,452
Speaker 2: for three days now, no problem at all. Your nose

1758
01:23:52,492 --> 01:23:54,572
Speaker 2: will let you know. See that's what I look That's

1759
01:23:54,692 --> 01:23:57,333
Speaker 2: that's what I think as well. Guys, I've worked in

1760
01:23:57,893 --> 01:24:02,172
Speaker 2: food retail and the guidelines for the retailer. Most goods

1761
01:24:02,412 --> 01:24:03,972
Speaker 2: are good beyond the date on the product.

1762
01:24:04,013 --> 01:24:04,253
Speaker 3: Craig.

1763
01:24:04,532 --> 01:24:06,133
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean some of those things are just so

1764
01:24:06,253 --> 01:24:08,572
Speaker 2: you throw it out and buy more. Yeah, you know

1765
01:24:08,612 --> 01:24:11,053
Speaker 2: I could keep it going through the system, you know, I.

1766
01:24:11,053 --> 01:24:12,652
Speaker 3: Wouldn't got to pass some Is that right or is

1767
01:24:12,652 --> 01:24:16,012
Speaker 3: that yeah, that's a theory and your thoughts.

1768
01:24:16,253 --> 01:24:16,452
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1769
01:24:16,492 --> 01:24:20,173
Speaker 15: Look, I worked for years ago. I had a job,

1770
01:24:20,253 --> 01:24:23,572
Speaker 15: second job as in a restaurant and the owner was

1771
01:24:23,652 --> 01:24:26,173
Speaker 15: Dutch and he said, leave you meet. He said in

1772
01:24:26,213 --> 01:24:28,772
Speaker 15: New Zealand disease, it far too soon. It's really tough.

1773
01:24:29,492 --> 01:24:32,372
Speaker 15: He used to leave his hanging. Admittedly it wasn't the fridge,

1774
01:24:32,412 --> 01:24:35,492
Speaker 15: but it was not a super cold fridge. You'd walk

1775
01:24:35,532 --> 01:24:37,293
Speaker 15: in and out all the time, and he'd leave it

1776
01:24:37,333 --> 01:24:39,932
Speaker 15: hanging for a couple of weeks at least. It would

1777
01:24:39,933 --> 01:24:42,812
Speaker 15: go from that red color to that dark color.

1778
01:24:43,173 --> 01:24:43,572
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1779
01:24:43,652 --> 01:24:45,053
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's.

1780
01:24:44,772 --> 01:24:49,572
Speaker 15: The most beautiful, softest steaks. I always leave my steak. Now.

1781
01:24:50,173 --> 01:24:52,852
Speaker 15: The other thing is, if you're that worried, do the

1782
01:24:52,933 --> 01:24:56,053
Speaker 15: sniff test. If it's slimy, throw it out.

1783
01:24:56,412 --> 01:24:59,732
Speaker 2: Oh, what do you mean slimy smelling? Well, now, if

1784
01:24:59,772 --> 01:25:02,652
Speaker 2: it feels sl so you do the snuff test and

1785
01:25:02,732 --> 01:25:03,532
Speaker 2: the slime test.

1786
01:25:04,333 --> 01:25:07,133
Speaker 15: Yeah, and neither of those are off.

1787
01:25:07,253 --> 01:25:07,932
Speaker 10: I'd eat it.

1788
01:25:08,452 --> 01:25:11,372
Speaker 3: Sometimes I even push through the old slime tearstand, you know,

1789
01:25:11,492 --> 01:25:13,133
Speaker 3: like a good leg of ham. If it gets a

1790
01:25:13,173 --> 01:25:15,492
Speaker 3: little bit slimy, I'll still push through. That's good for

1791
01:25:15,532 --> 01:25:16,932
Speaker 3: another couple of days at least.

1792
01:25:17,572 --> 01:25:20,053
Speaker 15: Yes, I know, I know it's all about turnover.

1793
01:25:20,452 --> 01:25:23,173
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Thank you so much for your call.

1794
01:25:23,293 --> 01:25:26,372
Speaker 2: And it is an interesting one day because if you

1795
01:25:26,412 --> 01:25:28,933
Speaker 2: went back in time and told people how sensitive we

1796
01:25:28,973 --> 01:25:32,052
Speaker 2: are about meat now, you know, you know the people

1797
01:25:32,093 --> 01:25:38,452
Speaker 2: on the boats, you people, if you were really hungry.

1798
01:25:38,492 --> 01:25:40,133
Speaker 2: You know, we've just got an abundance of food in

1799
01:25:40,173 --> 01:25:43,892
Speaker 2: this country, so we we nickel and diamond if it's

1800
01:25:43,893 --> 01:25:46,372
Speaker 2: a bit anything, it even's moving. But you know, if

1801
01:25:46,412 --> 01:25:48,293
Speaker 2: you're really hungry, you'd eat any of this stuff.

1802
01:25:48,093 --> 01:25:50,532
Speaker 3: Right, absolutely, Yeah, even with checken, I've got to say

1803
01:25:50,612 --> 01:25:52,213
Speaker 3: check and I'd be a bit more careful with but

1804
01:25:52,492 --> 01:25:54,253
Speaker 3: even if it's a couple of days past the use

1805
01:25:54,293 --> 01:25:55,532
Speaker 3: by date, I'll.

1806
01:25:55,173 --> 01:25:55,732
Speaker 6: Give it a crack.

1807
01:25:56,532 --> 01:25:59,652
Speaker 2: Steve, your thoughts on meat.

1808
01:26:00,893 --> 01:26:05,253
Speaker 13: Yeah, look, I've eaten it to room temperature, that's fine.

1809
01:26:05,253 --> 01:26:06,813
Speaker 13: But sitting the way it's sat.

1810
01:26:06,652 --> 01:26:09,372
Speaker 3: For four days, no chill.

1811
01:26:10,013 --> 01:26:13,052
Speaker 13: And you've got sausages, especially with spicing mixes and stuff

1812
01:26:13,093 --> 01:26:15,012
Speaker 13: like that. I wouldn't go on that track.

1813
01:26:15,013 --> 01:26:15,772
Speaker 2: You wouldn't go down there.

1814
01:26:15,812 --> 01:26:17,932
Speaker 13: Yes, you know you can get No, I wouldn't eat it.

1815
01:26:18,133 --> 01:26:20,093
Speaker 13: You can get the good meats and stuff like that

1816
01:26:20,093 --> 01:26:23,732
Speaker 13: which you can which age and and and your fat

1817
01:26:23,812 --> 01:26:26,092
Speaker 13: side down and fridges for you know, two and three months.

1818
01:26:26,133 --> 01:26:28,732
Speaker 13: That's a bit different. And yes, when you open it

1819
01:26:28,732 --> 01:26:30,532
Speaker 13: it smells, but there was a you can wash it

1820
01:26:30,532 --> 01:26:33,812
Speaker 13: down in a mild vinegar solution. That's proper age meat.

1821
01:26:34,133 --> 01:26:37,213
Speaker 13: But what he's got there in the warmth, no, you

1822
01:26:37,333 --> 01:26:38,572
Speaker 13: end up gettingself quite sick.

1823
01:26:38,612 --> 01:26:38,852
Speaker 5: Mate.

1824
01:26:39,013 --> 01:26:41,173
Speaker 2: So so when you were in a I've always meant

1825
01:26:41,173 --> 01:26:43,333
Speaker 2: to ask us actually, so it's great to talk to you, Steve.

1826
01:26:43,412 --> 01:26:45,532
Speaker 2: But how long you know when you hear that you've

1827
01:26:45,532 --> 01:26:49,293
Speaker 2: got a twelve day aged steak or whatever, you know

1828
01:26:49,293 --> 01:26:51,692
Speaker 2: when it says that on a menu, is that is

1829
01:26:51,692 --> 01:26:53,492
Speaker 2: that what they mean by age? Because I just sort

1830
01:26:53,492 --> 01:26:55,053
Speaker 2: of figured that they left it on the bench. But

1831
01:26:55,133 --> 01:26:56,652
Speaker 2: is that when you say it's aged?

1832
01:26:56,772 --> 01:26:56,973
Speaker 8: Is it?

1833
01:26:57,093 --> 01:26:59,412
Speaker 2: Is it hanging in a in a freezer, I mean

1834
01:26:59,452 --> 01:27:00,412
Speaker 2: a fridge.

1835
01:27:00,133 --> 01:27:02,452
Speaker 13: So some some of it is and otherwise you can

1836
01:27:02,492 --> 01:27:04,612
Speaker 13: get the vackpack stuff which we used to do, but

1837
01:27:04,692 --> 01:27:08,612
Speaker 13: age it for a couple of months, skin facing but

1838
01:27:08,652 --> 01:27:10,612
Speaker 13: still back and packed. So yeah, look it should be

1839
01:27:10,692 --> 01:27:14,213
Speaker 13: aged in the chiller, not aged at room temperature. Yeah,

1840
01:27:14,893 --> 01:27:18,412
Speaker 13: that's just my base experience on shipping for years. And

1841
01:27:18,933 --> 01:27:20,492
Speaker 13: I wouldn't go down that track of eating it. I

1842
01:27:20,492 --> 01:27:22,013
Speaker 13: wouldn't even give it to your dog. You might even

1843
01:27:22,053 --> 01:27:22,412
Speaker 13: make your.

1844
01:27:22,293 --> 01:27:24,812
Speaker 3: Dog sick, right, yeah, better as serious.

1845
01:27:25,213 --> 01:27:29,253
Speaker 2: My dog's a terrible food snob, mate. Yes, he's just

1846
01:27:29,412 --> 01:27:31,253
Speaker 2: likely to eat something that's a bit older than I am.

1847
01:27:31,732 --> 01:27:33,892
Speaker 2: I've seen him his nose up and a lot of

1848
01:27:33,893 --> 01:27:35,772
Speaker 2: good food. Hey, thank you so much for you call, Steve.

1849
01:27:35,812 --> 01:27:36,492
Speaker 2: Appreciate it.

1850
01:27:36,812 --> 01:27:40,652
Speaker 3: Some great teas coming through, guys. I have done exports

1851
01:27:40,652 --> 01:27:43,852
Speaker 3: seafood christ Jutes to Brisbane, Sydney, Melbourne for thirty years.

1852
01:27:43,893 --> 01:27:48,293
Speaker 3: If it stays in the chill chain, all goods, even

1853
01:27:48,333 --> 01:27:49,133
Speaker 3: for a day or two.

1854
01:27:49,372 --> 01:27:51,933
Speaker 2: All right, So I was staying in the chill, the

1855
01:27:53,093 --> 01:27:55,732
Speaker 2: chill chain, sitting in a box for two days down

1856
01:27:55,772 --> 01:27:58,612
Speaker 2: in the ins in me mail room.

1857
01:27:58,732 --> 01:28:03,412
Speaker 3: That's where I draw the line though read meat okay, chicken, yeah, seafood?

1858
01:28:03,732 --> 01:28:04,892
Speaker 3: Oh man, I don't know.

1859
01:28:05,372 --> 01:28:09,492
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, okay, Karleen, how are.

1860
01:28:09,412 --> 01:28:11,572
Speaker 20: You very good?

1861
01:28:11,612 --> 01:28:12,493
Speaker 10: Thank you?

1862
01:28:12,492 --> 01:28:13,772
Speaker 2: You're a fan of home kill.

1863
01:28:15,532 --> 01:28:15,972
Speaker 21: Very much.

1864
01:28:16,213 --> 01:28:19,252
Speaker 18: Fans of homekill. We've been We lived on a lifestyle

1865
01:28:19,612 --> 01:28:23,173
Speaker 18: property for about twenty years. Just moved to Cambridge, so

1866
01:28:23,772 --> 01:28:27,693
Speaker 18: Holy Cow is a favorite. But still do the hometells

1867
01:28:28,572 --> 01:28:32,372
Speaker 18: and any of the large. If i'd sort of under

1868
01:28:33,053 --> 01:28:38,972
Speaker 18: overestimated what I needed in sizes for roasts, I've always

1869
01:28:39,133 --> 01:28:41,372
Speaker 18: just defrosted it, cut it up into what I needed,

1870
01:28:42,412 --> 01:28:44,053
Speaker 18: chucked it back in the freezer and said that to

1871
01:28:44,133 --> 01:28:47,132
Speaker 18: my kids. With beef, I haven't tried it with lamb,

1872
01:28:47,333 --> 01:28:49,852
Speaker 18: but I've done that for the last twenty years and

1873
01:28:49,893 --> 01:28:52,133
Speaker 18: none of us have ever been sick from it. So

1874
01:28:52,253 --> 01:28:54,253
Speaker 18: I sort of really trust the whole beef. I don't

1875
01:28:54,293 --> 01:28:57,012
Speaker 18: know about leaving it out for days, but I think

1876
01:28:57,053 --> 01:29:00,532
Speaker 18: if it was cool enough that I would trust it,

1877
01:29:00,572 --> 01:29:04,933
Speaker 18: I would trust for beef and probably reasonably lamb. But

1878
01:29:05,013 --> 01:29:07,932
Speaker 18: yeah what and said trust your nose.

1879
01:29:08,532 --> 01:29:11,173
Speaker 2: Yeah, the mail room that entered me across the weekends

1880
01:29:11,213 --> 01:29:13,372
Speaker 2: probably reasonedly cool with air conditioning.

1881
01:29:13,372 --> 01:29:16,412
Speaker 5: Bulls. Yeah yeah, yeah, Well.

1882
01:29:16,293 --> 01:29:18,452
Speaker 18: I mean I was I always. I always think of

1883
01:29:18,532 --> 01:29:21,012
Speaker 18: two back in the day, we were just talking about

1884
01:29:21,013 --> 01:29:24,852
Speaker 18: this that you know, meat was hung like in a

1885
01:29:25,293 --> 01:29:27,972
Speaker 18: you know, a cool room or a ladder or something

1886
01:29:28,013 --> 01:29:31,092
Speaker 18: like that. Yeah, I didn't have I didn't have bridges

1887
01:29:31,133 --> 01:29:32,293
Speaker 18: one hundred years ago or whatever.

1888
01:29:32,732 --> 01:29:32,932
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1889
01:29:32,973 --> 01:29:34,572
Speaker 2: I was painting my house recently and I found this

1890
01:29:34,652 --> 01:29:37,892
Speaker 2: bit that was sticking out near the kitchen and looked

1891
01:29:37,893 --> 01:29:39,652
Speaker 2: into it, and that was and that you know, my

1892
01:29:39,933 --> 01:29:42,172
Speaker 2: father and law told me that was like a meat locker.

1893
01:29:42,612 --> 01:29:44,213
Speaker 2: He used to just hang out from the kitchen. Yeah,

1894
01:29:44,692 --> 01:29:46,292
Speaker 2: sort of hanging out semi outside.

1895
01:29:46,452 --> 01:29:46,972
Speaker 3: That's cool.

1896
01:29:47,253 --> 01:29:51,052
Speaker 18: Yeah, true, true, true, Yeah, age beef is much nicer,

1897
01:29:51,133 --> 01:29:51,692
Speaker 18: that's for sure.

1898
01:29:51,812 --> 01:29:53,252
Speaker 2: Are you doing the home killing yourself?

1899
01:29:54,732 --> 01:29:58,932
Speaker 18: Oh no, we get Wally Smith here. We've been using

1900
01:29:59,372 --> 01:30:02,972
Speaker 18: Wally Smith. Obviously, Wally has passed a number of years ago,

1901
01:30:03,053 --> 01:30:07,652
Speaker 18: but it's his it's his son that carries on that now.

1902
01:30:08,772 --> 01:30:09,532
Speaker 22: Along with others.

1903
01:30:09,652 --> 01:30:17,772
Speaker 18: But yeah, and our daughters. She's procuring the sewet and

1904
01:30:17,812 --> 01:30:20,133
Speaker 18: that sort of thing for her tellow.

1905
01:30:19,772 --> 01:30:20,692
Speaker 21: Which is pretty awesome.

1906
01:30:20,933 --> 01:30:21,173
Speaker 3: Ah.

1907
01:30:21,492 --> 01:30:22,452
Speaker 2: What does she do with the tello?

1908
01:30:24,213 --> 01:30:29,372
Speaker 18: She's making it into. She makes beautiful product. Cause can

1909
01:30:29,452 --> 01:30:30,333
Speaker 18: I say what it is?

1910
01:30:31,933 --> 01:30:32,173
Speaker 20: Yeah?

1911
01:30:32,213 --> 01:30:36,253
Speaker 18: Sure, A little plug it's Nourish by Nina and it's

1912
01:30:36,293 --> 01:30:39,732
Speaker 18: on Instagram, and she's got a little boy. He's just

1913
01:30:39,893 --> 01:30:45,572
Speaker 18: turned one and had fairly bad exma and so tried

1914
01:30:45,612 --> 01:30:48,372
Speaker 18: lots of variety of different things and has now come

1915
01:30:48,412 --> 01:30:54,372
Speaker 18: to a really amazing mixture of products like manukah karanuka

1916
01:30:55,013 --> 01:30:59,572
Speaker 18: and our Kawa kawa, few other ingredients as well, but

1917
01:30:59,652 --> 01:31:03,372
Speaker 18: all nice and natural things, and that has been amazing

1918
01:31:04,093 --> 01:31:06,892
Speaker 18: for the recovery side of his skin.

1919
01:31:08,412 --> 01:31:10,692
Speaker 2: I'm hearing a lot of people that are rubbing beef

1920
01:31:10,732 --> 01:31:13,972
Speaker 2: tellow on them on on their faces and stuff. It's

1921
01:31:14,372 --> 01:31:14,972
Speaker 2: very good skin.

1922
01:31:15,133 --> 01:31:21,452
Speaker 18: It is an very amazing moisturizer and and it's gone

1923
01:31:21,492 --> 01:31:24,572
Speaker 18: through a lot of processes to render it. And I

1924
01:31:24,612 --> 01:31:26,973
Speaker 18: think it's sort of like an old school product that

1925
01:31:27,053 --> 01:31:29,892
Speaker 18: everybody probably made, well a lot of people did, but

1926
01:31:29,973 --> 01:31:33,293
Speaker 18: it's coming back to be very very popular because people

1927
01:31:33,333 --> 01:31:34,412
Speaker 18: realize how good it is.

1928
01:31:34,853 --> 01:31:36,772
Speaker 2: Brilliant. All right, thank you had one more? One more

1929
01:31:36,853 --> 01:31:38,812
Speaker 2: quick plug for what it's The product's called.

1930
01:31:40,013 --> 01:31:44,572
Speaker 18: It's called Nourish by Nina n O r I s

1931
01:31:44,933 --> 01:31:47,093
Speaker 18: H by n I n A.

1932
01:31:47,612 --> 01:31:50,213
Speaker 3: Lovely, lovely and a very beautiful website of rubb that

1933
01:31:50,293 --> 01:31:52,253
Speaker 3: beef tellow all over yourself. It is hard to find

1934
01:31:52,253 --> 01:31:53,052
Speaker 3: good beef tellow.

1935
01:31:53,973 --> 01:31:57,293
Speaker 2: Yes, apparently apparently cooking and beef tallow is very very

1936
01:31:57,293 --> 01:31:57,972
Speaker 2: healthy as well.

1937
01:31:58,013 --> 01:32:01,173
Speaker 3: Be tasty as well. Yeah, yeah, oh eight eighty ten eighty.

1938
01:32:01,213 --> 01:32:06,532
Speaker 3: So number to call it is twenty two past three.

1939
01:32:07,692 --> 01:32:10,452
Speaker 5: That heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call.

1940
01:32:11,973 --> 01:32:15,013
Speaker 3: On news talk, z'd be good afternoon. How long is

1941
01:32:15,053 --> 01:32:17,293
Speaker 3: too long to leave meat out of the fridge? Mets

1942
01:32:17,333 --> 01:32:19,253
Speaker 3: found himself in a bit of a predicament.

1943
01:32:19,772 --> 01:32:23,652
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, thoroughly, Nancy says. I thoroughly rinsed slimy

1944
01:32:23,772 --> 01:32:27,372
Speaker 2: meat past best before date, like chicken breasts, and cook

1945
01:32:27,412 --> 01:32:29,412
Speaker 2: them no problem, Nancy, as he goes give it a

1946
01:32:29,412 --> 01:32:29,852
Speaker 2: wee bath.

1947
01:32:29,973 --> 01:32:30,213
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1948
01:32:30,333 --> 01:32:33,532
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm I'm reticent to really push the boundaries

1949
01:32:33,532 --> 01:32:36,933
Speaker 2: on chicken. I've just been so much salmonella propaganda in

1950
01:32:36,973 --> 01:32:40,253
Speaker 2: my life. Yeah, yeah, I'm really scared of chicken.

1951
01:32:40,333 --> 01:32:41,572
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm with you. I don't want to roll the

1952
01:32:41,572 --> 01:32:42,772
Speaker 3: dice on chicken too much.

1953
01:32:43,013 --> 01:32:45,293
Speaker 2: My kids will tell me off if I you chopped

1954
01:32:45,333 --> 01:32:47,852
Speaker 2: chicken and then chop onions on the same board or anything.

1955
01:32:48,133 --> 01:32:50,253
Speaker 2: They're militant. Yeah, someone's got.

1956
01:32:50,133 --> 01:32:51,852
Speaker 3: To the I'm with you, boys. If I've got a

1957
01:32:51,893 --> 01:32:55,333
Speaker 3: chopped chicken. The amount of hand washing and spraying with

1958
01:32:55,412 --> 01:32:57,693
Speaker 3: the old cleaner I've got to do is ridiculous.

1959
01:32:58,053 --> 01:33:00,412
Speaker 2: Tom, You've been a farmer for forty seven years, so

1960
01:33:00,452 --> 01:33:01,293
Speaker 2: you know a bit about this.

1961
01:33:02,173 --> 01:33:05,612
Speaker 28: Yeah, yeah, a little bit. Yeah, I reckon my grandmother

1962
01:33:05,732 --> 01:33:10,093
Speaker 28: God rest. You used to say that, Yeah, if it's

1963
01:33:10,133 --> 01:33:14,173
Speaker 28: if it's been frozen and it's stored, definitely do not

1964
01:33:14,253 --> 01:33:16,412
Speaker 28: refreeze it. Refreeze it. But yeah, that was good you

1965
01:33:16,412 --> 01:33:20,772
Speaker 28: were saying about letting it. Yeah, that the sort of

1966
01:33:21,372 --> 01:33:25,252
Speaker 28: well smell tist you can and also a bit slimy.

1967
01:33:25,333 --> 01:33:28,333
Speaker 28: You probably can still cook it. But I just want

1968
01:33:28,372 --> 01:33:31,173
Speaker 28: to say, yeah, the other guy was second and last call.

1969
01:33:31,452 --> 01:33:33,492
Speaker 28: He said, you know, I wouldn't have vieded to the dogs.

1970
01:33:33,492 --> 01:33:37,292
Speaker 28: That's absolute, that's wrong. Dogs have got a huge tolerance

1971
01:33:37,853 --> 01:33:41,012
Speaker 28: well for for you know, meat that's gone off and

1972
01:33:41,093 --> 01:33:44,492
Speaker 28: even you know, just won't hurt him. And certainly you'd

1973
01:33:44,492 --> 01:33:46,253
Speaker 28: be wasting it to throw it away if you were

1974
01:33:46,253 --> 01:33:47,532
Speaker 28: going to throw it away, and certainly give it to

1975
01:33:47,572 --> 01:33:50,053
Speaker 28: my dogs.

1976
01:33:50,452 --> 01:33:53,253
Speaker 2: You've seen a lot of the absolutely disgusting stuff dogs

1977
01:33:53,293 --> 01:33:53,652
Speaker 2: will eat.

1978
01:33:53,772 --> 01:33:58,812
Speaker 28: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, well yeah, well that's right. Yeah,

1979
01:33:59,253 --> 01:34:01,772
Speaker 28: you know I just say, if you did decided to

1980
01:34:02,173 --> 01:34:05,293
Speaker 28: throw it away, I would certainly give it to the dogs.

1981
01:34:05,293 --> 01:34:08,013
Speaker 28: You have no problem, and if you did, I'll give

1982
01:34:08,013 --> 01:34:10,372
Speaker 28: you there. And I was cash, you know, like I

1983
01:34:10,452 --> 01:34:11,253
Speaker 28: guarantee it that much.

1984
01:34:11,253 --> 01:34:12,013
Speaker 26: It wouldn't hurt him.

1985
01:34:12,133 --> 01:34:14,972
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, all right, thank you so much for your call. Tim,

1986
01:34:15,013 --> 01:34:15,692
Speaker 2: appreciate that.

1987
01:34:15,772 --> 01:34:18,053
Speaker 3: Yeah, Michael, how are you?

1988
01:34:19,412 --> 01:34:22,772
Speaker 22: You're not too bad. So just to give a bit

1989
01:34:22,812 --> 01:34:27,333
Speaker 22: of a heads up, I lived in the semi bush,

1990
01:34:27,572 --> 01:34:37,333
Speaker 22: off the gridge, no electricity, no fridge, only half insulated shed.

1991
01:34:38,412 --> 01:34:41,173
Speaker 22: And in the last twenty five years, I've brought up

1992
01:34:41,253 --> 01:34:45,133
Speaker 22: five children up here, right, And as far as the

1993
01:34:45,173 --> 01:34:48,612
Speaker 22: meat goes, in the summer, if you put it under

1994
01:34:48,612 --> 01:34:53,853
Speaker 22: a cabbage leaf, your last easy three or four days,

1995
01:34:54,253 --> 01:34:58,133
Speaker 22: and in the winter probably eight or nine. And that's

1996
01:34:58,173 --> 01:35:01,133
Speaker 22: not from the freezer but from the either probably from

1997
01:35:01,133 --> 01:35:04,572
Speaker 22: a botch or the supermarket. And the kids have never

1998
01:35:04,612 --> 01:35:05,093
Speaker 22: got sick.

1999
01:35:05,492 --> 01:35:07,053
Speaker 2: So you put it under a cabage leaf in a

2000
01:35:07,093 --> 01:35:08,492
Speaker 2: cupboard kind of situation.

2001
01:35:09,372 --> 01:35:12,772
Speaker 22: Yeah, and as low as possible, because it's the call apart.

2002
01:35:14,652 --> 01:35:17,052
Speaker 22: It's only a concrete floor, so I've got no carpet

2003
01:35:17,173 --> 01:35:21,612
Speaker 22: or anything. So the lowest cupboard is basically out of

2004
01:35:21,652 --> 01:35:24,572
Speaker 22: the sun and on the concrete floor.

2005
01:35:25,293 --> 01:35:26,372
Speaker 2: But you do have a phone.

2006
01:35:28,013 --> 01:35:31,292
Speaker 22: I do, and I charge it up for my car.

2007
01:35:31,933 --> 01:35:35,333
Speaker 3: Oh wow, fascinating. So if you tried the you know

2008
01:35:35,372 --> 01:35:37,652
Speaker 3: how they used to do it back in the day

2009
01:35:37,692 --> 01:35:40,532
Speaker 3: where electricity was hard to come by, we would you'd

2010
01:35:40,572 --> 01:35:43,053
Speaker 3: effectively dig into the ground a little bit. Have you

2011
01:35:43,093 --> 01:35:47,053
Speaker 3: tried that operations as a bit of a fridge.

2012
01:35:47,973 --> 01:35:49,772
Speaker 22: Yeah no, not really, Like I did try and put

2013
01:35:49,772 --> 01:35:51,572
Speaker 22: it in because I've got a river on the on

2014
01:35:51,652 --> 01:35:54,372
Speaker 22: the property, and I did put it in a bag

2015
01:35:54,812 --> 01:35:58,333
Speaker 22: in the river, but it actually didn't last so long.

2016
01:36:00,412 --> 01:36:03,412
Speaker 22: It was beast under the cabin blief on the concrete

2017
01:36:03,452 --> 01:36:05,812
Speaker 22: floor in a cupboard, out of the sun.

2018
01:36:06,173 --> 01:36:07,892
Speaker 3: Wow. Well, thank you so much for you call Michael

2019
01:36:07,933 --> 01:36:08,812
Speaker 3: living off the grid.

2020
01:36:08,973 --> 01:36:14,812
Speaker 2: Yeah, old school, old school cabbage in the cupboard, sweet ass.

2021
01:36:14,853 --> 01:36:16,612
Speaker 3: I think that's sorted out. Well, I know there was

2022
01:36:16,652 --> 01:36:19,173
Speaker 3: no cabbage leaves in the in the parcel. Were there

2023
01:36:19,412 --> 01:36:21,213
Speaker 3: or house, we would have been sorted their magic.

2024
01:36:21,893 --> 01:36:23,692
Speaker 2: My uncle was in the navy and when the meat

2025
01:36:23,692 --> 01:36:26,133
Speaker 2: turned green, they'd white with vinegar, and he said it

2026
01:36:26,173 --> 01:36:28,253
Speaker 2: was the most tender and delicious meat your liver eat

2027
01:36:28,812 --> 01:36:29,852
Speaker 2: you wait for it to go green.

2028
01:36:29,933 --> 01:36:35,253
Speaker 3: Then yeah, good guys, rulers don't see anything over a weekend.

2029
01:36:35,372 --> 01:36:37,092
Speaker 3: Was it frozen or just chilled?

2030
01:36:37,133 --> 01:36:42,772
Speaker 2: Yeah, lynd So and holy cow, butchery's defense and not.

2031
01:36:42,772 --> 01:36:45,612
Speaker 2: The Great New Zealander is doing an absolutely fantastic job

2032
01:36:45,652 --> 01:36:47,612
Speaker 2: down there in Cambridge. But they sent it in a

2033
01:36:47,652 --> 01:36:51,092
Speaker 2: one day curR correer. It said, urgent one day courier

2034
01:36:51,253 --> 01:36:54,213
Speaker 2: absolutely has to be in one day. But then the

2035
01:36:54,253 --> 01:36:58,293
Speaker 2: courier didn't make good on that one day delivery, let

2036
01:36:58,333 --> 01:37:00,812
Speaker 2: the team down. It just sort of happened to I

2037
01:37:00,812 --> 01:37:02,772
Speaker 2: got it on Monday. But I'm gonna eat it. I'm

2038
01:37:02,772 --> 01:37:05,213
Speaker 2: gonna eat it. I'm gonna put a cabbage leaf, i'n

2039
01:37:05,293 --> 01:37:07,532
Speaker 2: rub it in vinegar. I'm not gonna let those animals

2040
01:37:07,532 --> 01:37:10,213
Speaker 2: and the hard work of the farmers and the butchers

2041
01:37:10,572 --> 01:37:13,572
Speaker 2: and everyone in the system and nature go to waste,

2042
01:37:13,652 --> 01:37:15,692
Speaker 2: even if it gives me a bit of a tummy ache.

2043
01:37:16,053 --> 01:37:19,173
Speaker 3: Good on you, Good on you. Right, coming up very shortly,

2044
01:37:19,213 --> 01:37:21,133
Speaker 3: we're going to have a chat to Gareth Abden or

2045
01:37:21,253 --> 01:37:24,293
Speaker 3: you know him well. He's our employment law expert and

2046
01:37:24,333 --> 01:37:27,053
Speaker 3: he will be taking all your questions and queries and

2047
01:37:27,133 --> 01:37:30,172
Speaker 3: concerns about anything going on in your workplace. He's brilliant.

2048
01:37:30,293 --> 01:37:32,293
Speaker 3: He's the man to chat to. But nine two ninety

2049
01:37:32,293 --> 01:37:34,692
Speaker 3: two is the text number, and if you want to

2050
01:37:34,732 --> 01:37:36,612
Speaker 3: chat to them direct, the number is Ozer eight hundred

2051
01:37:36,652 --> 01:37:40,053
Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty. It is bang on up past three.

2052
01:37:43,053 --> 01:37:45,492
Speaker 5: You talks the headlines.

2053
01:37:44,973 --> 01:37:48,173
Speaker 16: With blue bubble taxes, it's no trouble with a blue bubble.

2054
01:37:48,612 --> 01:37:51,892
Speaker 16: The IMF is again urging New Zealand to have a

2055
01:37:51,893 --> 01:37:56,772
Speaker 16: capital gains tax to incentivize other economic growth, and also

2056
01:37:56,933 --> 01:38:01,372
Speaker 16: suggesting lowering corporate tax. The government is tweaking the Foreign

2057
01:38:01,492 --> 01:38:05,052
Speaker 16: Investment Fund, hoping to attract more talent to New Zealand

2058
01:38:05,253 --> 01:38:10,333
Speaker 16: by changing rules on taxing migrants. The Independent Police Conduct

2059
01:38:10,412 --> 01:38:14,932
Speaker 16: Authority is investigating a man's death at allday Point during

2060
01:38:15,013 --> 01:38:18,852
Speaker 16: his arrest after a pursuit which included a taser, pepper

2061
01:38:18,893 --> 01:38:23,612
Speaker 16: spray and manual restraint. Auckland Police have identified a man

2062
01:38:23,692 --> 01:38:26,972
Speaker 16: accused of inappropriately touching a high schooler on a bus

2063
01:38:27,013 --> 01:38:31,772
Speaker 16: this morning, Barter asking any witnesses to contact them. Education

2064
01:38:31,973 --> 01:38:36,213
Speaker 16: Minister Ericus Stanford has finally sat down with Associate David

2065
01:38:36,253 --> 01:38:40,252
Speaker 16: Seymour to discuss the Billie at School lunch program, offering

2066
01:38:40,372 --> 01:38:43,932
Speaker 16: him her full support. A child got second degree burns

2067
01:38:43,933 --> 01:38:47,213
Speaker 16: from an overheated lunch last week. This week a major

2068
01:38:47,253 --> 01:38:51,932
Speaker 16: provider went into liquidation. The challenge Liam Lawson is facing

2069
01:38:51,973 --> 01:38:55,253
Speaker 16: as twenty twenty five F one season begins. Read the

2070
01:38:55,253 --> 01:38:58,013
Speaker 16: full column Aty and said Herald Premium. Now back to

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01:38:58,053 --> 01:38:59,492
Speaker 16: matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Rayleen. While Gareth Abdenaor is an

2073
01:39:02,492 --> 01:39:07,372
Speaker 3: employment workplace in information expert and director of Abdenor Employment Law,

2074
01:39:07,452 --> 01:39:10,012
Speaker 3: he joins us once month on our asked the Experts

2075
01:39:10,053 --> 01:39:12,932
Speaker 3: series to answer listeners questions, and he's back with us

2076
01:39:12,933 --> 01:39:17,572
Speaker 3: this afternoon. Gareth, Hello, hey guys, how you doing very good?

2077
01:39:17,612 --> 01:39:19,092
Speaker 3: How was christ you this afternoon?

2078
01:39:19,853 --> 01:39:22,333
Speaker 6: Yes, it's a bit windy and rainy, so it's a

2079
01:39:22,333 --> 01:39:23,213
Speaker 6: good inside day.

2080
01:39:23,452 --> 01:39:24,652
Speaker 3: Yeah, not very nice.

2081
01:39:24,973 --> 01:39:30,053
Speaker 2: It is absolutely beautiful here, blue skies and an absolutely.

2082
01:39:29,652 --> 01:39:31,932
Speaker 3: Amazing anytime you want a holiday up here, Garret, you

2083
01:39:31,933 --> 01:39:32,612
Speaker 3: just give us a bus.

2084
01:39:33,013 --> 01:39:35,853
Speaker 2: It's actually I don't believe it for it's actually.

2085
01:39:35,652 --> 01:39:36,173
Speaker 3: Raining up here.

2086
01:39:36,213 --> 01:39:39,093
Speaker 2: And I've got my nephew visiting from from Dunedin, and

2087
01:39:39,133 --> 01:39:41,732
Speaker 2: whenever one of my family members visit from Dunedin it's

2088
01:39:41,732 --> 01:39:44,372
Speaker 2: always bad weather. My dad will come for the only

2089
01:39:44,412 --> 01:39:46,293
Speaker 2: frost of the year, and he got it's not so

2090
01:39:46,333 --> 01:39:46,892
Speaker 2: great up here?

2091
01:39:46,973 --> 01:39:47,932
Speaker 3: Is it Murphy's law?

2092
01:39:48,133 --> 01:39:50,372
Speaker 2: Then Felix is going to go back saying it rains

2093
01:39:50,412 --> 01:39:50,892
Speaker 2: here every day.

2094
01:39:51,973 --> 01:39:53,692
Speaker 6: That's what happens when you leave the mainland.

2095
01:39:53,893 --> 01:39:57,173
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. Now, oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

2096
01:39:57,333 --> 01:39:58,933
Speaker 3: is the number to call if you want to have

2097
01:39:58,973 --> 01:40:01,293
Speaker 3: a chat to Gareth. He's brilliant and it pays to

2098
01:40:01,293 --> 01:40:03,612
Speaker 3: get it in early because it's always a popular segment.

2099
01:40:03,612 --> 01:40:06,093
Speaker 3: If you prefer to text more than welcome to nine two.

2100
01:40:06,213 --> 01:40:09,132
Speaker 3: Nine two is the text number. And we've got plenty

2101
01:40:09,213 --> 01:40:11,652
Speaker 3: of great questions coming through Gareth, but we'll just go

2102
01:40:11,772 --> 01:40:15,012
Speaker 3: straight to the phones because Steven's on stand by Gidda.

2103
01:40:15,053 --> 01:40:19,213
Speaker 8: Stephen, Well, Hi, I tell you I just got a

2104
01:40:19,293 --> 01:40:24,053
Speaker 8: question about the public holidays. You know. My understanding is

2105
01:40:24,253 --> 01:40:27,093
Speaker 8: that if you're required to work on your normal roster day,

2106
01:40:27,372 --> 01:40:29,492
Speaker 8: if it falls out of the holiday, you're entitled to

2107
01:40:29,532 --> 01:40:32,693
Speaker 8: a time and a half pay and also an alternative

2108
01:40:32,772 --> 01:40:38,493
Speaker 8: day off in compensation. But my question is the definition

2109
01:40:38,572 --> 01:40:41,253
Speaker 8: of a normal roster to day because currently I work

2110
01:40:41,293 --> 01:40:45,252
Speaker 8: in a cafe and i'll roster changes on a weekly basis,

2111
01:40:45,772 --> 01:40:48,572
Speaker 8: and then I think I just since because it has

2112
01:40:48,612 --> 01:40:51,093
Speaker 8: happened the two or three times already this year. My

2113
01:40:51,253 --> 01:40:53,213
Speaker 8: sense is that's where the boss is going, and they're

2114
01:40:53,253 --> 01:40:57,692
Speaker 8: trying to purposely ross you off on a public holiday.

2115
01:40:57,893 --> 01:41:01,133
Speaker 8: And then because the bosses understand is that unless you

2116
01:41:01,173 --> 01:41:04,212
Speaker 8: are roster to work on a particular day, let's say Monday,

2117
01:41:05,253 --> 01:41:08,612
Speaker 8: for three weeks consecutively, otherwise it doesn't classify as a

2118
01:41:08,652 --> 01:41:10,812
Speaker 8: normal roster's day. Is that correct?

2119
01:41:10,933 --> 01:41:11,973
Speaker 13: Or why are they able to do that?

2120
01:41:13,093 --> 01:41:16,532
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's a great question, Stephen. And this is one

2121
01:41:16,572 --> 01:41:20,692
Speaker 6: of those strange provisions in the Holidays Act that keeps

2122
01:41:20,732 --> 01:41:27,692
Speaker 6: people calling. It's not a straightforward question. If you have

2123
01:41:28,213 --> 01:41:32,612
Speaker 6: varied days of work, like you work on a roster,

2124
01:41:36,173 --> 01:41:38,772
Speaker 6: if there is an argument over whether it's a normal

2125
01:41:38,893 --> 01:41:44,012
Speaker 6: day or not. I have seen cases where people have

2126
01:41:44,133 --> 01:41:49,293
Speaker 6: looked at the previous six months of work and seeing

2127
01:41:49,333 --> 01:41:53,012
Speaker 6: if that is regularly a day that you work. I'm

2128
01:41:53,053 --> 01:41:56,053
Speaker 6: not sure if looking at the past three weeks is

2129
01:41:56,093 --> 01:41:59,452
Speaker 6: going to be enough. It's certainly an argument, but this

2130
01:41:59,572 --> 01:42:03,812
Speaker 6: is not a straightforward yes or no question, unfortunately, and

2131
01:42:03,893 --> 01:42:05,412
Speaker 6: that's the draw of the Holidays Act.

2132
01:42:06,812 --> 01:42:10,652
Speaker 8: Okay, so they can actually prevousely off and then the

2133
01:42:10,692 --> 01:42:13,772
Speaker 8: next week, like you worked the five weeks in between

2134
01:42:13,853 --> 01:42:16,372
Speaker 8: the two public holidays and he happened to be off

2135
01:42:16,412 --> 01:42:18,213
Speaker 8: for those holidays.

2136
01:42:18,853 --> 01:42:21,052
Speaker 6: Yeah, I definitely think that's worth an argument.

2137
01:42:22,013 --> 01:42:24,812
Speaker 8: Yeah, okay, all right, okay, thank you very much.

2138
01:42:24,853 --> 01:42:27,053
Speaker 3: All the best, Stephen, thank you very much. Just on

2139
01:42:27,133 --> 01:42:30,173
Speaker 3: the Holidays Act at South Garethon. I know that's the

2140
01:42:30,173 --> 01:42:33,572
Speaker 3: bane of your life. But is there some movement? There

2141
01:42:33,692 --> 01:42:37,852
Speaker 3: was some talk earlier on from from the Coalition government

2142
01:42:37,853 --> 01:42:40,813
Speaker 3: that they were looking to change some of that legislation.

2143
01:42:41,053 --> 01:42:41,812
Speaker 3: Is that still the case.

2144
01:42:42,293 --> 01:42:46,572
Speaker 6: Yeah, there have been several attempts at it already, where

2145
01:42:46,973 --> 01:42:49,772
Speaker 6: various working groups have been put together to try and

2146
01:42:49,853 --> 01:42:54,812
Speaker 6: simplify it. It's incredibly incredibly difficult to do though, and

2147
01:42:56,013 --> 01:42:58,293
Speaker 6: my duck feeling is that it would be much better

2148
01:42:58,452 --> 01:43:01,972
Speaker 6: just to completely rewrite it from scratch. Of course, that's

2149
01:43:02,053 --> 01:43:05,572
Speaker 6: a that's a huge piece of work, and it keeps

2150
01:43:05,612 --> 01:43:07,133
Speaker 6: falling down the list of priorities.

2151
01:43:07,333 --> 01:43:10,412
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, some great teachs coming through on nine to

2152
01:43:10,452 --> 01:43:12,892
Speaker 3: two nine two after that.

2153
01:43:13,013 --> 01:43:15,333
Speaker 2: This is an interesting one actually, and kind of complicated,

2154
01:43:15,372 --> 01:43:19,133
Speaker 2: I imagine after the whole Andrew Bailey thing. I don't

2155
01:43:19,173 --> 01:43:21,972
Speaker 2: know how to behave at work? Can I hug people.

2156
01:43:22,093 --> 01:43:24,412
Speaker 2: I used to hug everyone in the morning. Is it

2157
01:43:24,452 --> 01:43:27,972
Speaker 2: only touching an anger that's the problem. What about friendly touching?

2158
01:43:27,973 --> 01:43:29,692
Speaker 2: I can see a official kure. I don't think they

2159
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Speaker 2: mean it to sound exactly like that. Yeah, but you

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Speaker 2: get what I mean.

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Speaker 6: I thought you were asking.

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Speaker 3: He's not allowed to touch anyone there.

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Speaker 6: Well, I'm happy to give you a hug.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's an interesting the word friendly touching. I think

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Speaker 2: I know what they mean. Yeah, you know, like, is

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01:43:45,013 --> 01:43:47,692
Speaker 2: it like jovial rather than mean yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 6: In this day and age, my legal advice would be

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Speaker 6: best not to touch anyone you work with, no matter

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Speaker 6: what you intend by it. Of course, in reality, some

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01:44:00,213 --> 01:44:04,652
Speaker 6: people are huggy people. Yeah, but if there's any doubt, don't.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a that's kind of a funny concept than

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01:44:08,532 --> 01:44:10,492
Speaker 2: it because you they're coming Because I'm not really a

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Speaker 2: huggy person, but I'm not going to deny a hug

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Speaker 2: from someone. So if someone's coming in for the sort of.

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Speaker 3: A sting, and I'm sure Gareth, you know, if someone

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Speaker 3: wanted to take it further, was a handshake, for example,

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Speaker 3: that would be easier to argue rather than than a hug.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, surely we're not in the world where you can't

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Speaker 2: have a handshake.

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Speaker 6: I hope not.

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Speaker 3: Cindy, how are you this afternoon?

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Speaker 25: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Good things.

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Speaker 3: Gareth is standing by.

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Speaker 20: Hi, Gareth, thanks for taking my call. I'm just wanting

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01:44:46,372 --> 01:44:49,572
Speaker 20: can you please explain the ten days sick leave and

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01:44:49,652 --> 01:44:53,253
Speaker 20: carrying over to the next year to make twenty. How

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01:44:53,253 --> 01:44:53,932
Speaker 20: does it work?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, So, basically, there's a cap that you can't have

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Speaker 6: more than twenty days, and because you get ten new

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01:45:03,293 --> 01:45:07,812
Speaker 6: ones each year, if you if you haven't used any

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01:45:07,853 --> 01:45:11,213
Speaker 6: of them and you've got twenty and you get another ten,

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01:45:11,492 --> 01:45:15,133
Speaker 6: you don't end up with thirty. The ten oldest ones

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01:45:15,173 --> 01:45:19,213
Speaker 6: fall away and you've still got twenty. Of course, these

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01:45:19,293 --> 01:45:22,652
Speaker 6: days it seems pretty rare that people don't use their

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Speaker 6: sick leaves, so it's unusual for someone to have their

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Speaker 6: maximum and then get another ten.

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Speaker 20: Okay, yeah, no, I'm just speaking as from the point

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Speaker 20: of an employer with someone who hasn't taken this sick leave.

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01:45:38,093 --> 01:45:41,173
Speaker 20: We've only taken a couple of days and they now

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Speaker 20: on leave due to an injury, and I've given them

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01:45:44,532 --> 01:45:48,452
Speaker 20: ten days sickly, but they've still got some lift goes

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01:45:48,492 --> 01:45:50,572
Speaker 20: from the previous years, So do I carry that over?

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01:45:52,293 --> 01:45:52,452
Speaker 8: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: I mean, now we're starting to get into quite a

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01:45:56,173 --> 01:46:00,372
Speaker 6: technical thing which I can't give you a view worth

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01:46:00,412 --> 01:46:03,732
Speaker 6: having all of the facts. But there's a maximum of

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Speaker 6: twenty and my understanding from the logistics is that you

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01:46:08,053 --> 01:46:12,652
Speaker 6: would be using the oldest ones first, So if they're

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01:46:12,652 --> 01:46:15,213
Speaker 6: ones that haven't been used, then they will carry over

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01:46:15,253 --> 01:46:17,452
Speaker 6: to the next year, as long as it doesn't go

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Speaker 6: with that maximum. Okay, of course, just to complicate things further,

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Speaker 6: some organizations have additional benefits over and above the statutory minimums,

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01:46:32,853 --> 01:46:37,053
Speaker 6: and for some of those organizations, well, employees can have

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01:46:37,372 --> 01:46:41,812
Speaker 6: an awful lot of sickly built up. But it doesn't

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01:46:41,853 --> 01:46:44,573
Speaker 6: sound like that's the case for you.

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Speaker 20: No, okay, all.

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Speaker 3: Right, all the best, thanks, yeah, good luck. If you've

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01:46:49,452 --> 01:46:51,892
Speaker 3: got a question for Gareth, now is your opportunity, Oh,

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01:46:51,933 --> 01:46:54,572
Speaker 3: eight hundred and eighty ten eighties the number to call,

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01:46:54,812 --> 01:46:56,492
Speaker 3: and we've got some great teachs coming through on nine

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Speaker 3: to two ninety two. I've just got a question.

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01:46:58,532 --> 01:47:01,333
Speaker 2: Do sick days sit as a liability on a company

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01:47:01,412 --> 01:47:04,093
Speaker 2: like Untaken Holidays do?

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01:47:07,013 --> 01:47:09,333
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's a that's a good Christian. I'm not sure

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01:47:09,492 --> 01:47:12,772
Speaker 6: that's that's more of an accounting question than a employment

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01:47:12,772 --> 01:47:18,333
Speaker 6: more question. But I imagine it would sit there because

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01:47:18,372 --> 01:47:22,052
Speaker 6: they can use it. Of course, it doesn't get paid

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01:47:22,053 --> 01:47:26,652
Speaker 6: out if the employee leaves, yeah, unlike annual leave.

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01:47:26,812 --> 01:47:29,572
Speaker 3: Yeah, which makes sense to them. Alright, all right, okay,

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01:47:29,612 --> 01:47:31,532
Speaker 3: we're going to take a quick break, but when we

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01:47:31,612 --> 01:47:34,972
Speaker 3: come back, plenty more questions for Gareth. If you want

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01:47:34,973 --> 01:47:37,372
Speaker 3: to get in, you're more than welcome. Oh one hundred

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01:47:37,452 --> 01:47:40,692
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty full lines at the moment, but keep trying.

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01:47:40,732 --> 01:47:41,812
Speaker 3: It is eighteen to four.

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01:47:42,772 --> 01:47:45,372
Speaker 1: Have a chat with the lads on eight hundred eighty

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01:47:45,412 --> 01:47:48,932
Speaker 1: ten eighty Matt and Taylor afternoons with the Volvo XC

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01:47:49,093 --> 01:47:53,253
Speaker 1: ninety tick every box, a seamless experience, awaits news talks.

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Speaker 3: They'd be good afternoon, And we have on the line

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01:47:56,973 --> 01:48:01,532
Speaker 3: Gareth Abdenor from abdenaor Employment Law. He's an employment law

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01:48:01,732 --> 01:48:05,093
Speaker 3: expert and he's here to answer your questions on our

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01:48:05,133 --> 01:48:07,572
Speaker 3: eight hundred eighty ten eighty and if you want to

2244
01:48:07,612 --> 01:48:11,293
Speaker 3: check out his business abdenal Law dot Nz. But Gareth,

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01:48:11,333 --> 01:48:15,213
Speaker 3: we've got plenty of callers on the line, so let's

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01:48:15,213 --> 01:48:16,052
Speaker 3: go to Jenny.

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Speaker 7: How are you good afternoon?

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01:48:18,532 --> 01:48:18,772
Speaker 29: Fine?

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01:48:18,812 --> 01:48:19,173
Speaker 10: Thank you?

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Speaker 29: I just wanted to make an inquiry about retirement. I've

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01:48:23,372 --> 01:48:27,612
Speaker 29: got long service leaves which is due, and I've got

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01:48:27,692 --> 01:48:30,093
Speaker 29: annually which will be paid out. But my employee is

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01:48:30,093 --> 01:48:35,093
Speaker 29: saying that they won't pay out long service leaves at retirement,

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01:48:35,173 --> 01:48:37,053
Speaker 29: that it has to be used up prior to that.

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Speaker 29: Is that correct?

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01:48:41,612 --> 01:48:44,293
Speaker 3: Or might have just Oh, sorry, yep you go, Gareth.

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Speaker 6: Am I back on?

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01:48:44,933 --> 01:48:45,692
Speaker 3: Yep, you're back on.

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01:48:45,692 --> 01:48:49,572
Speaker 6: Now, I'm back on, all right, great question, Jenny. Long

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01:48:49,612 --> 01:48:54,532
Speaker 6: service leave is something that is negotiated between the parties

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01:48:54,572 --> 01:48:57,293
Speaker 6: and should be recorded in a policy or in your

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01:48:57,333 --> 01:49:01,612
Speaker 6: employment agreement. It wouldn't surprise me if one of the

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01:49:01,692 --> 01:49:05,213
Speaker 6: conditions is that you need to take the leave and

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01:49:05,253 --> 01:49:10,093
Speaker 6: it's not paid out to you. It would be unusual

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01:49:10,532 --> 01:49:13,532
Speaker 6: for an employer to agree to pay that out to

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Speaker 6: you when you leave.

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Speaker 29: Right, Okay, I'll go back to the contract.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for that, Thank thank you very much. Jinny.

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01:49:20,372 --> 01:49:22,372
Speaker 2: This is an interesting one. On nine two nine two.

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01:49:22,412 --> 01:49:24,612
Speaker 2: I'm working for a company as an in house painter.

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01:49:25,133 --> 01:49:27,172
Speaker 2: Want to start my own company? Can I use pictures

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01:49:27,213 --> 01:49:29,532
Speaker 2: of my work on a website? If it's not obvious

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01:49:29,572 --> 01:49:32,212
Speaker 2: it's from the current employer. Crop pictures and such.

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Speaker 6: I see a lot of red flags andus it's obviously

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01:49:40,492 --> 01:49:45,533
Speaker 6: this person has some doubts about whether this would be appropriate. Yeah,

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01:49:45,572 --> 01:49:47,732
Speaker 6: and I would agree with that, you know what I say,

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01:49:47,893 --> 01:49:50,852
Speaker 6: if if in doubt, don't. I think this is one

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01:49:50,853 --> 01:49:55,052
Speaker 6: of those cases because if your employer finds out, it's

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Speaker 6: likely to be a problem.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, very dangerous.

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01:49:57,853 --> 01:50:00,133
Speaker 2: Which it's clear that they know it's wrong because they're

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Speaker 2: cropping them. So really you're asking, can I get away

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01:50:02,652 --> 01:50:04,333
Speaker 2: with this thing that I know I'm not allowed to do?

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01:50:04,492 --> 01:50:04,692
Speaker 3: Yeah?

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01:50:04,732 --> 01:50:07,213
Speaker 6: If my friend wants to post these pictures?

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01:50:07,253 --> 01:50:09,812
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, spot on. This is good takes as well,

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Speaker 3: Gareth High. Should staff be advised that a security camera

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01:50:14,333 --> 01:50:17,652
Speaker 3: in our lunch room records video and audio during work hours?

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01:50:17,812 --> 01:50:20,293
Speaker 3: Is that an invasion of privacy? Can I do anything

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01:50:20,333 --> 01:50:20,652
Speaker 3: about that?

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01:50:21,333 --> 01:50:25,572
Speaker 6: Oh? This is fantastic. It really depends on why the

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01:50:25,612 --> 01:50:31,012
Speaker 6: camera has been installed. If it's to if there've been

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01:50:31,173 --> 01:50:33,652
Speaker 6: a number of thefts and they are trying to catch

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01:50:33,692 --> 01:50:36,612
Speaker 6: the thief, then it would really defeat the purpose to

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01:50:36,692 --> 01:50:39,932
Speaker 6: tell everybody that they've installed a camera. Of course, if

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01:50:39,973 --> 01:50:45,253
Speaker 6: it's just a general health and safety camera, then there

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01:50:45,333 --> 01:50:49,293
Speaker 6: should be notices and the staff should be told about it.

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Speaker 6: It's also pretty unusual for a camera in those circumstances

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01:50:53,692 --> 01:50:58,333
Speaker 6: to record audio, and that's something that Yeah, I think

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01:50:58,372 --> 01:51:02,452
Speaker 6: this person could definitely raise with the employer because that

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01:51:02,652 --> 01:51:05,213
Speaker 6: is getting to the point where arguably it is a

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01:51:05,253 --> 01:51:06,092
Speaker 6: breach of privacy.

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01:51:06,293 --> 01:51:11,412
Speaker 2: Yeah, audio scenes too much, right, because that seems like

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01:51:11,452 --> 01:51:12,972
Speaker 2: you're trying to listen to what people are saying.

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01:51:13,133 --> 01:51:14,572
Speaker 6: Yeah, why are you recording that?

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01:51:14,612 --> 01:51:16,932
Speaker 3: Why do you need to Yeah, just super quick, Gareth,

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01:51:16,973 --> 01:51:19,612
Speaker 3: are you allowed to see that video? If you know

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01:51:19,652 --> 01:51:21,692
Speaker 3: it's been recorded and you say, hey, I just want

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01:51:21,692 --> 01:51:23,333
Speaker 3: to see some of that footage? Have you got a

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01:51:23,412 --> 01:51:23,892
Speaker 3: right to do that?

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01:51:24,933 --> 01:51:28,572
Speaker 6: And it depends if the footage is just of you,

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01:51:29,532 --> 01:51:33,052
Speaker 6: I think you've got a very good case to ask

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01:51:33,173 --> 01:51:36,333
Speaker 6: for access to it. Of course, if if it's you

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01:51:36,612 --> 01:51:40,213
Speaker 6: and a bunch of other people, you know, you could

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01:51:40,253 --> 01:51:43,293
Speaker 6: be breaching their privacy. I guess it depends. If it's

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01:51:43,293 --> 01:51:46,372
Speaker 6: in a lunch room, is there an expectation of privacy?

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01:51:46,572 --> 01:51:49,812
Speaker 6: Most probably not. If it's a changing room, very different story.

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01:51:49,933 --> 01:51:51,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, very good. I'll tell it.

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01:51:51,133 --> 01:51:53,372
Speaker 2: Where I work, These cameras and mix just right in

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Speaker 2: my face.

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Speaker 3: It's blazing.

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Speaker 6: That's outroageous.

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Speaker 3: Dave, how are.

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Speaker 21: You yeah, good things tell you boys, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Very good. We've got Gareth standing by ready for your question.

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Speaker 13: Okay, I'm a contractor, been for for four years at

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Speaker 13: one place.

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Speaker 6: The top of you right there, Dave. You can't be

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Speaker 6: a contractor and be employed. You're either a contractor and

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Speaker 6: you are contracted, or you're an employee and you're employed.

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Speaker 13: Okay, I'm a contractor and I'm contracted to the same

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01:52:26,372 --> 01:52:27,853
Speaker 13: place for four years.

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Speaker 6: Yep.

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01:52:28,492 --> 01:52:30,053
Speaker 7: So is there a little bit.

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Speaker 16: By law.

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Speaker 13: That is that the maximum you can work at a

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01:52:37,692 --> 01:52:40,452
Speaker 13: place before you get deemed as a permanent employee.

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Speaker 6: No, no, there isn't. It really comes down to whether

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01:52:44,293 --> 01:52:48,333
Speaker 6: you're actually a contractor or not, and that depends on

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01:52:49,692 --> 01:52:53,333
Speaker 6: things different to how long you've been there. Of course,

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01:52:53,572 --> 01:52:57,132
Speaker 6: if you've been there for four years, you may well

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01:52:57,213 --> 01:53:02,333
Speaker 6: have been incorporated into the company, integrated into the business,

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01:53:02,812 --> 01:53:05,213
Speaker 6: and that is one of the factors that may point

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01:53:05,253 --> 01:53:08,732
Speaker 6: towards you being an employee. The courts look at it

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01:53:08,812 --> 01:53:11,812
Speaker 6: and they say, are you truly in business on your

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01:53:11,812 --> 01:53:17,732
Speaker 6: own account? And a lot of people who have a

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01:53:17,812 --> 01:53:21,372
Speaker 6: contracting agreement rather than an employment agreement and get paid

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01:53:21,452 --> 01:53:24,532
Speaker 6: like a contractor aren't actually running their own business.

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Speaker 3: Right, okay, all right, all the best. He thank you

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01:53:30,053 --> 01:53:32,253
Speaker 3: very much. Right, we've got to play some messages, but

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01:53:32,253 --> 01:53:34,812
Speaker 3: we'll come back with some more questions very shortly. It

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01:53:34,893 --> 01:53:35,892
Speaker 3: is nine to four.

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01:53:37,412 --> 01:53:40,892
Speaker 4: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

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Speaker 4: everything in between.

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Speaker 1: Matt and Taylor Afternoons with the Volvo XC ninety attention

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon. It is six to four.

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Speaker 2: So Gareth Ebnore is an employment, workplace and information expert

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01:53:58,452 --> 01:54:03,732
Speaker 2: and director of abbot Nor Abbot Nor Employment Law. Sorry,

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01:54:04,333 --> 01:54:06,972
Speaker 2: but we've had so many calls and so many texts

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01:54:06,973 --> 01:54:08,973
Speaker 2: now full lines and we have be able to get

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01:54:08,973 --> 01:54:11,772
Speaker 2: to all of them, so big apologies to everyone. Next

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Speaker 2: time we have you on, Gareth, we're gonna have to

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01:54:13,293 --> 01:54:16,253
Speaker 2: have you on for an hour. All good if you've

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01:54:16,293 --> 01:54:18,293
Speaker 2: got the time, because I feel bad how all these

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01:54:18,293 --> 01:54:19,053
Speaker 2: people we haven't got to.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so much feedback, but Gareth, thank you very much

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01:54:21,973 --> 01:54:24,173
Speaker 3: as always, really appreciate it, and we'll catch you again

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Speaker 3: in a month.

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01:54:25,173 --> 01:54:26,333
Speaker 6: Sounds good, thanks guys.

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Speaker 3: That is Gareth Abdenall from Abdenall Employment Law. If you

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01:54:29,732 --> 01:54:32,493
Speaker 3: want to check out his website. Abdenorlaw dot en zed

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Speaker 3: and I've got to do this part. The content of

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Speaker 3: the segment is general in nature and is not legal advice.

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Speaker 3: Any information discussed is not intended to be a substitute

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Speaker 3: for obtaining specific professional advice, and should not be relied

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Speaker 3: upon as such. And that is ask for today. What

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Speaker 3: a fantastic show.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well until tomorrow. If it smells okay, eat it

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Speaker 2: and if it's slimy, wash it and then need it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, good advice. What are you going to start with?

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Speaker 3: Surely the lamb grenade? Yeah, definitely check it all on

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Speaker 3: the barbie at once. I read the tomahawk. Yeah yeah,

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Speaker 3: check it all on the barbie. No sniff test, get

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Speaker 3: into it.

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Speaker 2: Roll the dice, Alie exactly exactly wors that could happen.

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Speaker 3: And thank you very much for everybody who phoned and

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Speaker 3: called today and also all your text and as we mentioned,

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Speaker 3: we're sorry we couldn't get all of your questions to Gareth.

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Speaker 3: Hopefully we'll get him in for an hour next time

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Speaker 3: he is here, but plenty of questions that we'll put

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Speaker 3: on the bank for next time. So thank you very

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Speaker 3: much for today, and we will do it all again tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Give a tastic care from our sake.

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Speaker 24: see it's all.

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Speaker 6: I can't really.

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Speaker 26: Disperation.

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Speaker 24: I kid the.

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Speaker 30: Our own decision and I've got this. Anyone stop going

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Speaker 30: and knows.

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Speaker 31: So that excellent do for your drinking yours. And yes

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Speaker 31: I know I'm nothing to aid. I'm a coffee pot

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Speaker 31: for your last touching up for your nice thinking me

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Speaker 24: Lest the pieces.

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