1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,080 Speaker 1: Forty three minutes away from eight. You may or may 2 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:05,600 Speaker 1: not know the name Tom Bewley, but he's the next 3 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: big noise on Nia Sport. He's young, he's only sixteen 4 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: years old and he won the toet or eighty six 5 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: is anyway explain more about that later when he joined 6 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: us after eight o'clock this morning. Meantime, Finance Minister Nichola 7 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 1: Willis is doing the business of course for the Prime Minister, 8 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: who has found his way to Japan. 9 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 2: Very good morning, good morning, gratefully here. 10 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:23,800 Speaker 1: Good to see you Peters. Yesterday at the postcab ended 11 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: up with a flourish on the Maria the Mari party, 12 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: which reminded me when Christopher Luxen was here last week 13 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:33,480 Speaker 1: having announced the inquiry, he said something more was coming. 14 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: By way of detail, who's heading it? All the writing instructions? 15 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 1: Where are they? 16 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 2: So? The Public Service Commission have released their terms of 17 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:44,840 Speaker 2: reference and they have made clear what they're looking into 18 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 2: and that inquiry is taking place. 19 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 1: Are you confident that you will be able to as 20 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: a government find out what needs to be found out. 21 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 2: Yes, and that is why we are doing it, because 22 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 2: we think there are facts that need to be on 23 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 2: the table. Those facts have actually been very unclear, and 24 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 2: we have instructed the Public Service Commission to use its 25 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 2: powers to make sure that actually, where government agencies are involved, 26 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 2: they've taken all the right steps to protect New Zealander's 27 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 2: personal private data, and that this isn't being investigated thoroughly. 28 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 1: Here's the problem. If what Peter's particularly yesterday, he seemed 29 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:18,959 Speaker 1: to have some sort of inside information on what has 30 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 1: gone on there, do you know what that is? 31 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:23,680 Speaker 2: Well, look, there's all sorts of rumors swirling around and 32 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 2: I'm sure that Winston Peters will have heard some of them. 33 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:29,679 Speaker 2: That's why we wanted the Independent Inquiry to get to 34 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 2: the bottom of the facts, because it's only with the 35 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:33,960 Speaker 2: facts that we can then decide what needs to happen. 36 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 1: Because what appears to happen is that this information was 37 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:40,759 Speaker 1: swapped left, right and center. If that's proven in some 38 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 1: either nefarious activity by the Marry Party, which seems to 39 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:45,679 Speaker 1: me to be one aspect of it, the other part 40 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 1: is how has it the government department's allowed all this 41 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 1: to happen? What actually happens to those government departments if 42 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: you find that that. 43 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 2: Did, well, look, if New Zealander's personal data has been 44 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 2: used for political purposes. That is a gross abuse of 45 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 2: trust in the system, and so I would expect that 46 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 2: government departments would need to fix their systems, would need 47 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 2: to hold to account any individuals that were involved and 48 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 2: not enforcing rigorous standards, and would need to have a 49 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 2: good hard look at how they would protect data in future. 50 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 1: Okay, what's your GDP call for Thursday? 51 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 2: Well, look, I've seen the estimates. I think it's really 52 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 2: tough out there. It feels like recession, and so that 53 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:23,839 Speaker 2: would tell you negative numbers. But I've been surprised by 54 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 2: these stats before. What we know is that four of 55 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:29,079 Speaker 2: the past five quarters have been negative. 56 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 1: Okay, So if Q one's negative I think it is, 57 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: then Q two can't be positive, can it. Q two 58 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 1: cannot be better than Q one. 59 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 2: Well, it feels to me that high interrast rusts are 60 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 2: really biting for our businesses. They are still struggling with 61 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 2: high costs, and so I'm focused, Mike on what's exactly 62 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 2: the data going to be? But what do we do 63 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 2: to dig out of here? And we've presented a budget 64 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 2: that takes pressure off inflation. We need inflation to come 65 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 2: back down so that the Reserve Bank can have the 66 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 2: confidence to interest rates. I think that's ultimately the thing 67 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 2: that will breathe some air back into the economy when 68 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 2: people see that interest rate track coming down on. 69 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 1: Time down the track, though, wasn't it Even if even 70 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 1: of all is wrong and he starts this year late 71 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 1: this year, it's well into next year before the fizz 72 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:15,359 Speaker 1: of you know, is back. 73 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 2: I think we do have a tough few months ahead 74 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 2: of us. I think realistically we are dealing with a 75 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 2: hangover of an economy that has been mismanaged for the 76 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 2: past six years. And I always said, at the time 77 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 2: you pump that much cash into an economy through money printing, 78 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 2: through loose low spending, that all comes crashing down, and 79 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 2: unfortunately our government is in the hot seat at that time. 80 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 2: My empathy is for those New Zealand businesses have often 81 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 2: done absolutely everything right and are now struggling with difficult conditions. 82 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 2: So we're doing everything we can to be on their side, 83 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 2: to back them, to make things easier, and we've just 84 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 2: got to steer the country through this difficult path. 85 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: Would you regard us now economically, I mean the stats 86 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: back it up as an economic outlier. There are plenty 87 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 1: of places in the world that are one growing and 88 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: see a level of positivity. We simply don't. 89 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 2: Look, I think we've had a worse inflation spike that 90 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 2: has lasted for longer than many other countries we like 91 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 2: to compare ourselves with. And I remember the lament of 92 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 2: the former finance minister who said, oh, well look we've 93 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 2: just had a bit more spending because of COVID. Actually 94 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 2: he baked in very high levels of spending. The judgments 95 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 2: were made wrong and New Zealand's paying for it now. 96 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 1: Indeed, what role does Adrian or playing all this as well, 97 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:24,039 Speaker 1: given he's still in the room. 98 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 2: Well, look, I've previously shared my view that the quantity 99 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 2: of easing our Reserve Bank engaged in was excessive. There 100 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 2: was too much money printing. Interest rates were kept too 101 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 2: low for too long, and that's no doubt contributed to 102 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 2: where we are today. 103 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 1: I was saying a little thing before the news you 104 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 1: wouldn't have heard it, but the foreign bias thing. There's 105 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: agents now saying look, we're too much money on the table. 106 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 1: This's ban on foreign both there's too much money left 107 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 1: on the table. And that's a New Zealand first thing. 108 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 1: And I get it's a Coalition. I understand all of that. 109 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:52,720 Speaker 1: Is it proving to be a major regret at least 110 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 1: for your party? 111 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:56,160 Speaker 2: Oh well, I've made my position on that clear. I 112 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 2: think it would be great if really wealthy people from 113 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:02,480 Speaker 2: around the world could buy expensive New Zealand properties and 114 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 2: pay us a nice fee for the pleasure. I think 115 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 2: that would be good both in terms of a revenue 116 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 2: source for New Zealand, but actually bringing those wealthy people 117 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 2: and their spending and their connections and their capital into 118 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:15,359 Speaker 2: the country would be great for some of the regions 119 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 2: where they'd buy homes. But that's not the government policy. 120 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 2: New Zealand first have made it clear and the coalition 121 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 2: agreement that they wanted us to progress our tax plans 122 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 2: without that in it. Hey, but you know they have 123 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 2: the right to revisit that anytime they like, could they 124 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:30,159 Speaker 2: is it possible? 125 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:32,479 Speaker 1: The reason they ask is not only that, but so 126 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 1: you've got a Prime minister in Japan trying to sell 127 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: us to the world and we're open for business. You 128 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 1: can't be fully open for businesses. Come on, bring you money. 129 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:41,160 Speaker 1: And by the way, you can't have a house. Well, 130 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 1: set up a business, but you can't buy a house. 131 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: I mean come on. 132 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:47,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, look, I'd love to see us to make 133 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 2: it easier for people to buy homes in New Zealand 134 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 2: if they're going to contribute to the country. We went 135 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 2: into the election with a policy to achieve that. But 136 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 2: as Finance Minister, I deliver on government policies, I get. 137 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: That having it. The reason I also asked that is 138 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 1: that this morning, I don't even know if you're aware 139 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:03,839 Speaker 1: on the seems to have come out of left field. 140 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:06,559 Speaker 1: So so Bishop yesterday on this transgender funding for sport 141 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:10,039 Speaker 1: right that seems to be in New Zealand. First back down, No, 142 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 1: you know so no, Well they said what they said 143 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: going into the campaign, We're not going to give you 144 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 1: money if you're going to be weird about transgender and 145 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 1: so now they are. 146 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:20,719 Speaker 2: Well, the agreement we struck in our coalition text was 147 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 2: that we wanted to ensure that the rules around gender 148 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 2: and sport didn't compromise fairness or safety. Minister Bishops, Minister 149 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 2: of Sport, has done a review of the rules in 150 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 2: place for community sport, hasn't found any instances that are 151 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 2: troubling to him at the stage, but he's keeping it 152 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:37,479 Speaker 2: under active review. So what that means is if a 153 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:40,599 Speaker 2: sporting body changed the rules in such a way that 154 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 2: people felt that they were being made to be unsafe 155 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 2: or the rules were unfair, then the government would have 156 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 2: the ability to react. 157 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: Do you think you will the sound it feels like 158 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:50,159 Speaker 1: a backdown to me. It sounds like sport in New 159 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 1: Zealand ring you up and your back down. No. 160 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 2: Look, I think it was always one of those things 161 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 2: where the deal was let's go and have a look 162 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 2: at the rules of problems arise, let's be prepared to act. 163 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 2: We haven't seen those problems yet, but if we saw problems, 164 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 2: yes we'd act. 165 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:07,279 Speaker 1: Carbon market auction on Thursday, I think it is. It's 166 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 1: not going to sell. You said you were going to 167 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 1: sort it out. You've got a couple of billion dollars 168 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 1: potentially coming in. You're not going to get anything because 169 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: and the reason is people don't believe what you're doing 170 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: rightly or wrongly. And many of us would agree with 171 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 1: the ets on farmers and stuff like that, but we 172 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 1: still don't know. Why would I go buy a credit 173 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: I won't, therefore it will fail again. 174 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 2: Want it well, I've been given firm advice that I 175 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 2: should not comment on. 176 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 1: Well, you're going to move the market. 177 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's the risk, right, and that we shouldn't 178 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 2: be commenting on it as behavior. Well, what I can say, 179 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 2: and we'll keep saying, is we believe the emissions trading scheme, 180 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 2: which effectively prices carbon, is one of the most vital 181 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 2: tools we have for driving emissions down in New Zealand. 182 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 2: I believe in market mechanisms. I think that's a much 183 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 2: more effective way than centivizing changes. 184 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: But look at what the market's telling you. 185 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 2: Well, as I say, I'm not in a position where 186 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 2: I should comment on what the market is telling. 187 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 1: Well, work me through why I should buy a credit 188 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 1: if I look at you one day taking the farmers 189 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 1: out of the ets and then the forest owners they 190 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 1: don't have to pay it. I don't know where you're 191 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 1: at on thinking you know you're going to do something 192 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 1: sometime down the track. Maybe maybe you're not, So I'll 193 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: just sit tight for now. That's what I'm getting from you, 194 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 1: isn't it. 195 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 2: Well. The government remains committed to the emissions trading scheme 196 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 2: as the primary tool we have for driving emissions down 197 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 2: in New Zealand. We have emission reduction targets as a 198 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 2: matter of law, we're committed to those and we see 199 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 2: the emissions trading scheme is critical. One of the things 200 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 2: we did when we came into government was stop the 201 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 2: review which would have undermined that scheme. So we're committed 202 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 2: to it. 203 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 1: Neat these kids who I just don't know how this happens. 204 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 1: How is it just explained to me briefly, How is 205 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 1: it that a young person in this country who is 206 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: not in school, not in a job, not in training, 207 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 1: neat is going up? How is it there are more 208 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 1: of these people? 209 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 2: Well, look, that's a real worry and I think one 210 00:08:57,559 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 2: of the things that we know is that when unemployment's right, 211 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 2: it's often young people who are most affected. But i'd 212 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 2: expect that if you're a young person and you can't 213 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 2: get a job, you should be in training. And so 214 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 2: we have set a target of reducing the number of 215 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 2: people on job seeker benefits. We've asked the Ministry for 216 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 2: Social Development to be much clear about its expectations of 217 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 2: those lining up for a benefit, and we've got a 218 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 2: Welfare that Works policy that will be rolling out in 219 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 2: the next few months, which is all about getting on 220 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 2: top of those young people who are turning up for 221 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:32,959 Speaker 2: a benefit and making sure that they're doing everything they 222 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 2: can to get training or a job. 223 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: They're not getting a benefit, are they? 224 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 2: Some of them might be. Some of them if they're 225 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 2: left time so. 226 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:42,559 Speaker 1: They're not in school, so they've got no qualifications, they 227 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 1: have no job, they're not in training, so you're handing 228 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 1: out money to them. 229 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 2: In some cases that might be the case. 230 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 1: Yes, doesn't that need to change? 231 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 2: Well, where they don't have parental supporter, they've got difficult 232 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:56,319 Speaker 2: family circumstances that they may be getting a benefit. But look, 233 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 2: we don't want eighteen year olds on the couch playing 234 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 2: video games. We want them in training or in work, 235 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 2: and I'm sure that their families want the same. 236 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 1: Are we going to buy a plane. 237 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 2: I think we will be buying planes in future. You 238 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 2: would expect that the Defense Force will need to keep 239 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 2: ensuring that it has the means to do its job. 240 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 2: And those planes did work very successfully. Mike or just 241 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 2: remind people to take New Zealanders out of New Mea 242 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 2: recently and get them home. It did that safely, but 243 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 2: all of that is forgotten because it couldn't take off 244 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:29,079 Speaker 2: from Port Moresby. That's regrettable. We're in the middle of 245 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 2: a defense capability review. Making sure we have the equipment 246 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 2: we need to get our troops around the world is important. 247 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:38,680 Speaker 1: Nice to see you, Nichola Willis. It is thirteen away 248 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 1: from eight. 249 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 2: For more from the Mike Asking Breakfast, listen live to 250 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 2: news talks that'd be from six am weekdays, or follow 251 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:47,320 Speaker 2: the podcast on iHeartRadio.