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Speaker 2: US Talk said, be good, ay, good morning. How are

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Speaker 2: great to be with you on this Thursday morning. A

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Speaker 2: lot to get through today. Two thirds of children apparently

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Speaker 2: five thirty. Big move expected this morning at eight thirty

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Speaker 2: just before five thirty. Mitch McCann's in the USA and

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Speaker 2: strong reaction to Chris Luson's local government telling off yesterday

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Speaker 2: the agenda. It is Thursday, the twenty second of August.

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Speaker 2: An update on that Sicily storm and the four bodies

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Speaker 2: Authorities have been using a remote operated underwater drone to

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Speaker 3: Once inside, following the path, we can begin searching room

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Speaker 2: Two people remain missing. Residents of Russian Russia's border regions

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Speaker 2: into its sixteenth day. Back here, a year's long report

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Speaker 2: reveals ongoing inequities and treatment by police based on race, sexuality, gender,

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Speaker 4: That is a globally significant model that many other agencies

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Speaker 2: I should point out, just with that research that was

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Speaker 7: That's a little bit I mean, I think what's interesting

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Speaker 2: But today Transpower, in just the next few hours, is

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Speaker 2: John Harvard is with the Major Electricity Users GROUPIE is

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Speaker 2: to share their John, good morning, Good morning. Do you

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Speaker 2: How haven't we pulled this lever already? I'm surprised to

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Speaker 8: Because if transpower does tap into the sort of emergency reserve,

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Speaker 2: Give us a sense, John, how critical is this morning's

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Speaker 8: Look, I think it's really important, and it sits alongside

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Speaker 2: John, thanks so much for your chime this morning. John Harbor,

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Speaker 2: Twenty five after five the early.

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Speaker 5: Edition Full The Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered by News.

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Speaker 2: Talks at Me. The reactions overnight to Luckson's broadside to

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Speaker 9: I think the building that we're in today is a

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Speaker 2: It was the spin doctor's wet dream yesterday was the

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Speaker 2: Rather than just thinking about yourselves in your nice, cushy

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Speaker 5: On your radio and online on iHeartRadio Early edition with

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Speaker 5: Ryan Bridge and Smith City, New Zealand's Furniture Beds and

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Speaker 1: Good Mornings.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to your Thursday. It is the twenty second of August.

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Speaker 2: It is twenty four minutes away from six. If you're

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Speaker 2: just joining us, Transpower is going to make a call

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Speaker 2: I'm sure the news team will be across that later

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Speaker 2: on in the morning for you right now. Lots of

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Speaker 2: feedback on early childhood education. The Education Review Office has

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Speaker 2: a report out saying that because of COVID and the lockdowns,

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Speaker 2: Thank you for that, Carol says. I've been an EC

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Speaker 2: just sitting there, not talking to anyone. It's sad this

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Speaker 2: one on energy. How will all these evs be charged

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Speaker 2: Over in the US overnight, Ford has announced that they're

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Speaker 2: canceling that and offering a hybrid instead, while it's demand

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Speaker 2: and cheap evs from China pushing the price down for them.

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Speaker 2: Just gone twenty two to six, rich Our reporters around

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Speaker 2: good morning Police targeting illegal white baits.

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Speaker 10: Morning, Ryan, Yes, the white baiting season is about to

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Speaker 10: to monitor any unlawful fishing, social behavior or in peered driving.

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Speaker 10: The season, Ryan begins September first, It runs through to

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Speaker 10: the end of October. White baiting only permitted during the

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Speaker 2: Thank you Claire Sheuwerod is in christ Church for US

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Speaker 2: clear crash. Each city councils approved work on streets around

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Speaker 11: Well, they're still waiting on the NDTA funding for these

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Speaker 11: They voted yesterday to begin these upgrades on the streets

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Speaker 11: pedestrian crossings and access to They come after some water

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Speaker 11: there's already loads of roadworks around there. The Mere Film

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Speaker 2: I think that gets the tech. That sounds pretty infrastructury

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Speaker 2: to me. Clear your weather today.

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Speaker 11: Frosty to start clearing, to find a bit of cloud

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Speaker 2: Great, thank you Max and going to mix. Two bars

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Speaker 3: Well, well, luckily I didn't drink at these bars. But

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Speaker 3: A little ironic that this is our entertainment precinct. And

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Speaker 2: How's your weather max cloudy.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, and Wendy Petris in Auckland this morning. Good morning, Bendy.

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Speaker 2: You've got an update on the Deval group.

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Speaker 12: That's right, Yeah. The government has stepped in on the

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Speaker 12: Auckland department developer do Vowel Group placing in statutory management.

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Speaker 12: It follows do Vowel Capital Partners and related companies being

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Speaker 12: placed into interim receivership by the High Court. The change

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Speaker 12: means one team of people will now handle the processes,

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Speaker 12: rather than multiple insolvencies unfolding at once. Commerce and Consumer

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Speaker 12: Affairs Minister Andrew Bailey says it's a large and complex situation,

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Speaker 12: so urgent action was needed to prevent broader harm. But

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Speaker 12: one hundred and twenty investors have put money into the entities.

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Speaker 2: Goodness May. How's the weather today, Wendy, Well.

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Speaker 12: That's looking all right actually fine day, cloud increasing this afternoon,

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Speaker 12: light winds and sixteen degrees. Do you feel like spring's

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Speaker 12: coming or something?

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Speaker 2: It does feel a lot like that. You're warming up, Wendy,

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Speaker 2: thank you. Eighteen minutes away from six Ryan Bridge and

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Speaker 2: motels issue huge issue, obviously, in one that worries people were.

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Speaker 2: Yesterday in the house we got more context around one

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Speaker 2: of the main lines of attack that's been leveled at

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Speaker 2: Tama Pawtucker, who's the Social Housing minister. So they've managed

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Speaker 2: to reduce the number of kids living in motels, which

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Speaker 2: is great news, but instead of celebrating that, they've been

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Speaker 2: criticized because they don't know where twenty percent of them

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Speaker 2: have gone. So when they move out of the motels,

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Speaker 2: most of them go to emergents, our social housing or

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Speaker 2: private landlords. But twenty percent of them we don't know

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Speaker 2: where they go. However, yesterday Tama Pawtucker revealed this.

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Speaker 13: When we arrived in government, we found that the data

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Speaker 13: did not show where over fifty percent of people exiting

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Speaker 13: emergency housing had gone to. But as a result of

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Speaker 13: the hard working members of our team, we now know

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Speaker 13: we're nearly eighty percent of all those that exit emergency

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Speaker 13: housing go to, including the one one hundred and ten

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Speaker 13: children who have gone from emergency housing into warm, safe,

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Speaker 13: dry homes.

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Speaker 2: So context matters, really, doesn't it. It doesn't sound great

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Speaker 2: that you don't know where twenty percent are going, but

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Speaker 2: it's better than not knowing where fifty percent are going.

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Speaker 5: International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of mind

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Speaker 5: for New Zealand business.

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Speaker 2: It is fourteen away from six. If you're just joining us,

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Speaker 2: welcome to early edition. I'm Rayn Bridget's Thursday, the twenty

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Speaker 2: second of August. An interesting press release from Nicole Mckee'll

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Speaker 2: get to that shortly. Right now. Mitch mccannon is in

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Speaker 2: the US, Bill Clinton, and Tim Wolls at the DNC

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Speaker 2: in Chicago today.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, that's right, Ryan, It's going to be a big

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Speaker 14: night in Chicago for Day three of the Democratic National Convention.

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Speaker 14: Last night saw a few unexpected names during the state

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Speaker 14: role call. People on Rapper Lil John performed and the

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Speaker 14: film director Spike Lee was there as well. But last

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Speaker 14: night it was really about the speeches from Doug m Hoff,

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Speaker 14: the husband of Kamala Harris, as well as Barack and

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Speaker 14: Michelle Obama. Now, all of those speakers really spoke about

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Speaker 14: their own personal stories before laying and heavily to Donald Trump.

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Speaker 14: Speaking of Trump, Doug Imhoff said, of Kamala Harris, she

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Speaker 14: knows the best way to deal with the coward is

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Speaker 14: to take him head on. Michelle Obama took aim at

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Speaker 14: Donald Trump over his comments referring to black jobs in

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Speaker 14: recent weeks, saying, who's going to tell him that he's

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Speaker 14: currently seek the job he is currently seeking might be

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Speaker 14: one of.

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Speaker 2: Those black jobs?

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Speaker 14: And Barack Obama described Donald Trump as a seventy eight

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Speaker 14: year old billionaire who hasn't stopped whining about his problems

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Speaker 14: since he rode down his golden escalator. But as you say, tonight,

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Speaker 14: we're going to hear from Tim Walls, Nancy Pelosi, and

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Speaker 14: the former President Bill Clinton.

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Speaker 2: It's interesting listening to Kamala Harris's husband talk about her

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Speaker 2: laugh because you know people, well, the Republicans like to

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Speaker 2: make fun of her laugh. He's saying that it's you're

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Speaker 2: not calling her a laugh but her joy. They're trying

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Speaker 2: to reframe that whole thing, aren't they.

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Speaker 14: They've tried to reframe a lot of these criticisms people

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Speaker 14: have had of her online, particularly You'll remember the joke

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Speaker 14: about you know, she was talking about her mother and

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Speaker 14: she said something like, did you think you just fell

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Speaker 14: down from a coconut tree? And a few weeks ago

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Speaker 14: that was a mean going round online where people were

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Speaker 14: making fun of Kamala Harris. She's reframed it. She's now

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Speaker 14: giving away free coconut water at her rallies and become

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Speaker 14: part of her whole kind of shtick for this election.

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Speaker 14: So they're good at reframing these things. One of the

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Speaker 14: other things I've been doing is kind of thinking about

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Speaker 14: what they're going to be criticized for. And one of

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Speaker 14: the things was Doug im Hoff, her husband his previous marriage,

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Speaker 14: so that fell apart, and there were some stories that

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Speaker 14: came out about that the other week. But they had

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Speaker 14: kind of statements preprepared, so they know what Donald Trump

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Speaker 14: and the Republicans are going to attack them with, and

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Speaker 14: they're ready to take them on.

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Speaker 2: A nice update. Mitch McCann our US correspondent. It is

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Speaker 2: twelve minutes away from six Bryan Bridge. Luxeon ripping the

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Speaker 2: meyors and the counselors at the Local Government conference in Wellington,

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Speaker 2: a new one yesterday saying stop wasting your money on

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Speaker 2: dumb stuff.

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Speaker 9: I think the building that we're in today is a

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Speaker 9: classic example with pipes bursting and quite literally this morning,

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Speaker 9: pipes bursting on the streets not far from here. And

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Speaker 9: it looks very nice, and it's great, and it's very

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Speaker 9: nice for us politicians to have a wonderful space to

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Speaker 9: make some great speeches in. But can anyone seriously say

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Speaker 9: that was the right financial decision?

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Speaker 12: In some way?

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Speaker 2: That was lux and yesterday The conference continues today for

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Speaker 2: day two. We did actually try to get someone on

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Speaker 2: from Local Government New Zealand, but not available. I suspect

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Speaker 2: there are a few drinking poops last night and maybe

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Speaker 2: people didn't want to get up. I don't know, I'm speculating.

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Speaker 2: But luckily this morning we have Matt Cowley, who is

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Speaker 2: with the Local Government Business Forum. He's the chair. Matt,

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Good morning Ryan. Thank you for being with me.

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Speaker 2: I really appreciate your time. What did you make of

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Speaker 2: Luckson's comments.

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Speaker 15: I think he's getting ahead of the announcements which will

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Speaker 15: possibly be made today around the city and regional deals,

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Speaker 15: and that it's not going to be a free lunch

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Speaker 15: for councils. The government is wanting to address some of

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Speaker 15: these big industry structure deficits, but racpayers will need a

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Speaker 15: chipping as well. And yes, so basically wanting to make

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Speaker 15: sure that councils are focused on some of the big

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Speaker 15: issues that they want to address.

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Speaker 2: Do you agree that they haven't been.

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Speaker 15: Well? Evidence will prove that the infrastructure deficit has been

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Speaker 15: really big and some councils have been focusing more on

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Speaker 15: some water and core assets than others.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's true, and to be fair, he

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Speaker 2: did say that too, they're not all bad. What do

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Speaker 2: you think of this idea of revenue caps on the

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Speaker 2: nice to have things.

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Speaker 15: I think he's particularly looking towards those reflecting on the

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Speaker 15: rural communities and the farmers and those that are shifting

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Speaker 15: to maybe capital valuation and even where some councils are

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Speaker 15: even looking at capitalizing on kiwi fruit licenses so that

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Speaker 15: they can gain more revenue out of the primary sector

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Speaker 15: to boost into some urban areas when you're looking at

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Speaker 15: some rural areas that are actually removing their tasia roads,

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Speaker 15: putting them back into gravel because it's unaffordable. And that's

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Speaker 15: backwards in terms of comparing to some nice to have projects.

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Speaker 15: There are some projects that can stand up on their own.

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Speaker 15: But yeah, a real focus needs to go on those

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Speaker 15: councils to make sure they're focusing on this peak into

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Speaker 15: infrastructure deficit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, basically the whole revenue model needs a total rethink.

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Speaker 2: And that's quite innovative one that you mentioned for rural areas,

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Speaker 2: but they need it basically just because you've got a

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Speaker 2: fifteen percent average rates increase at the moment for across

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Speaker 2: the country for anyone who's paying rates, which is really

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Speaker 2: hard to stomach. And you know, as we mentioned the

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Speaker 2: other week, adding to the infation problem as well has

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Speaker 2: been Matt, Thank you very much for your time. Matt

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Speaker 2: Cowley with US Local Government Business Forum chair. That Local

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Speaker 2: Government conference continues today and we had I did hear

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Speaker 2: some comment from Tory Farno, the willing to mayor, saying

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Speaker 2: that she thought he Luxan was punching down on the

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Speaker 2: mayors yesterday.

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Speaker 8: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I just think they kind of they kind of needed it,

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Speaker 2: didn't they. You know, it's not personal either. It's not personal.

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Speaker 2: It's not saying that you did something wrong with you

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Speaker 2: as a as an individual, just that as a collective

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Speaker 2: perhaps they have been looking in the wrong direction. Just

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Speaker 2: gone eight minutes away from six News and Views.

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Speaker 5: You Trust to start your day. It's early edition with

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Speaker 5: Ryan Bridge and Smith City, New Zealand's Furniture Beds and

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Speaker 5: a Flying Store. Youth Talk said, be.

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Speaker 2: Six minutes away from six News Talk, said b Mike

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Speaker 2: Hoskings in the studio.

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Speaker 16: Good morning morning police commissioned this morning. Oh good, and

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Speaker 16: the big report on to all the racism that pervades

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Speaker 16: the landscape in that particular part of the world. Well,

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Speaker 16: I couldn't work out yesterday is nobody asked the question?

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Speaker 16: So so, first of all, racisms were broad based thing

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Speaker 16: to accuse somebody of. Second of all, if you had

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Speaker 16: looked at the place force in this country lately, it

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Speaker 16: is probably the most multicultural group of people I've seen

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Speaker 16: in a very very long period of time. Thirdly, if

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Speaker 16: you know, and we know for a fact, that Maria

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Speaker 16: disproportionately represented in statistics criminally speaking, right, So then when

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Speaker 16: they come up with the accusation that Mariya are more

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Speaker 16: likely to be charged. How do you drill down on that?

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Speaker 16: How do you come to that conclusion if the person

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Speaker 16: and the other thing we know for a fact is

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Speaker 16: that most people are criminals or recidibus, so in other words,

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Speaker 16: very few.

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Speaker 2: But are they being profile? Is the reason that they're

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Speaker 2: being arrested?

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Speaker 16: Because that's the separate part. So the separate part is

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Speaker 16: one of the claims is that Maria more likely to

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Speaker 16: be pulled over? So how did they get to that?

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Speaker 16: No one seem to ask that.

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Speaker 2: Quich you said the other day, You've never been pulled over,

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Speaker 2: I've never been looked at you. You're a white, wealthy man,

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Speaker 2: and that'll be it, won't it.

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Speaker 16: I've driven right past them waving. But once you get

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Speaker 16: these people in the system, why are you more likely

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Speaker 16: to be charged? Surely the answer would be if you're

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Speaker 16: known to the constabulary already there before you go, there's

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Speaker 16: old Bob Bob's back, are you more likely to get charged?

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Speaker 8: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so because they know you.

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Speaker 16: At what point has the race come into it?

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Speaker 2: Well? Good question. See what I'm saying that The lead

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Speaker 2: of the research said it was such a small sample size.

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Speaker 2: You shouldn't make generalizations based on an agreement. Agreement did

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Speaker 2: say that herself.

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Speaker 16: So what are we trying to achieve here? We're trying

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Speaker 16: to go there's the police. It's good old racist police

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Speaker 16: again without asking enough questions around the specifics of how

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Speaker 16: they came to that conclusion. And is it you know,

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Speaker 16: can you stand it up as opposed to is this

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Speaker 16: a vibe? But is this a status good?

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Speaker 2: That's the question. Yeah, but it's still a question worth asking,

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Speaker 2: isn't it. Don't you think it's.

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Speaker 16: Worth asking if you can come up with an answer

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Speaker 16: that you can lock down and go, here are the stats,

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Speaker 16: here are the facts, and this is the conclusion we've

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Speaker 16: come to because of it, as opposed to tell you

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Speaker 16: what we think has happened to here anyway. That's why

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Speaker 16: that's why we've got a police commission, and that's why

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Speaker 16: it's on the program.

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Speaker 2: Brilliant all right. Have we had a little not a

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Speaker 2: scrap but debate before about which Obama was better yesterday? Yeah?

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Speaker 16: I just the record, I was right on that. You

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Speaker 16: thought Michelle was being She was brilliant, She was brilliant,

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Speaker 16: but he was he had the edge.

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Speaker 2: There was her line about it all black job.

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Speaker 16: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: He heard it all before from him Mike Sworthy. Next,

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Speaker 2: I'll see you tomorrow. Have a great day.

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