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Speaker 1: The New Zealand first rolled out there stated the nation

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Speaker 1: of course full house would overflow rooms. The headline grabber

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Speaker 1: was the potential split of the Gen Taylor's Winston Peters

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Speaker 1: New Zealand First Leader and is with us very good

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Speaker 1: morning to you, good morning. Correct me if I'm wrong,

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Speaker 1: But you don't have bottom lines. And if you don't

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Speaker 1: have bottom lines, this is the sort of the plight

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Speaker 1: of the smaller party, isn't it. You're relying on a

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Speaker 1: big enough vote to leverage your policy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that is true. But to go back to nine

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Speaker 2: ninety eight when the Badford reforms came in, there was

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Speaker 2: a proviso in there that they did not work properly,

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Speaker 2: then they would legislate and they said the South pop

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Speaker 2: up price controls and they've never used it.

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Speaker 1: Have you ascertained as to how far off, say National

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Speaker 1: would be from splitting Gen Taylor's in general, because it's

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Speaker 1: not like they haven't jawboned about power companies and petrol

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Speaker 1: and supermarkets and things.

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Speaker 2: Yes. So, look, this is an infection election. That meeting

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Speaker 2: yesterday represents this. There's huge change going on in this

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Speaker 2: country and we're not going way out for a labor

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Speaker 2: versus national election anymore. This is going to be a

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Speaker 2: serious three way contest and that demonstration of those people

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Speaker 2: near thousands yesterday proves it. But it's not going to

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Speaker 2: stop now. And what we're saying is it's madness. We

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Speaker 2: had all those decades of great advantage are cutting youage

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Speaker 2: advantage from the Zealand businesses and homes, and then we

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Speaker 2: had a reform process was real liberal nightmare. It promised

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Speaker 2: that the future costs would plateau rather than go through

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Speaker 2: the sky, and the very reverse happens. So when they're

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Speaker 2: going to do something about it.

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Speaker 1: How much of what you think you're going to campaign

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Speaker 1: on this election campaign is about what you've achieved in

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Speaker 1: government versus individual policy that the other parties may or

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Speaker 1: may not agree with.

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Speaker 2: Well, a whole lot of things that we've achieved in government.

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Speaker 2: I'll give you an example right now in Tasmania. There

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Speaker 2: are two massive faaries brought just like the Labor part

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Speaker 2: is going to buy them. Here, they're parked up, they

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Speaker 2: have to be reframed. They've got no infrastructure, just like

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Speaker 2: that we didn't have here. And that's what they Love

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Speaker 2: Party did when we stopped the whole thing and started

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Speaker 2: all over again, and still the trolls are out there

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Speaker 2: saying that their IRX decision was a good idea. No,

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Speaker 2: they were sent out for four hundred and one million

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Speaker 2: dollars to buy two ferries and they came back at

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Speaker 2: four point two billion dollars a cost. That's the kind

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Speaker 2: of on cost Lucy which we're stopping. So that's an

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Speaker 2: achievement and New Zealand First is responsible for that.

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Speaker 1: I listened to your speech yesterday. It was a lengthy

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Speaker 1: old number. Did you mean it to be as lengthy

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Speaker 1: as it was?

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Speaker 2: No? Well, I'm saying, Mike that brevity is the soul

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Speaker 2: of ret but I was thinking there, well, it's not

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Speaker 2: the fugual. It's a huge order's my first for the year.

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Speaker 2: And you know what, the econistion wasn't going and it's

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Speaker 2: getting worse and worse, and I think I'd like to

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Speaker 2: stop this sometimes soon, but you know it goes.

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Speaker 1: That is true. You mentioned Marsden. Is there any point

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Speaker 1: I understand your frustration with Marsden, I get it, but

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Speaker 1: is there any point in going back and relitigating something

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Speaker 1: you can't fix because you've investigated the fixed and it's

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Speaker 1: simply too expensive.

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Speaker 2: Well, again. You see that's their problem this country. Every

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Speaker 2: time you look at it in this country, it's too

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Speaker 2: expensive because we've got appalling cost plus mentality transmission gully right.

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Speaker 2: It's not even the built poppy and that it went broke.

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Speaker 2: Poor hooy to walk with the same Paul and our

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Speaker 2: way massively over costed. The only thing we've built in

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Speaker 2: the last forty years was that in second tarn of

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Speaker 2: Harvard Bridge was under cost on time. We have got

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Speaker 2: to change it with the same that these people. No

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Speaker 2: more cost for us. If you can't do it, we'll

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Speaker 2: get somebody else. Even if there I said, we had

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Speaker 2: to get it from abroad. We've just got to stop

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Speaker 2: this massive cost we've got.

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Speaker 1: How was Mark Brown, by the way, in your an

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Speaker 1: official Heaven round for a couple of quick drinks get together?

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Speaker 2: No, no, we didn't. With your cover came and had

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Speaker 2: a cup of coffee and some cheese. Now, honestly we did,

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Speaker 2: just to bring things up to date. We'll know in

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Speaker 2: a few weeks done.

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Speaker 1: Okay, what sort of cheese, hard cheese or soft cheese?

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Speaker 2: A nice serious cheese fan until I went on a diet,

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Speaker 2: so not much of it. I can't tell you much

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Speaker 2: these days.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure I enjoyed it. Nice to talk to you.

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Speaker 1: Winston Peter This he'sn't good mood this morning, isn't it?

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Speaker 1: It can vivial mood. I like Winston's the old saying

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Speaker 1: guys wouldn't vote for him, but I still like him.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't stop me. I like everybody though. Mike asked lux

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Speaker 1: and when he says they'll when he says they'll temporarily

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Speaker 1: reduce fuel quality standards, what's that mean? What that means

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Speaker 1: is roughly dirty oil. So the best thing I can

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Speaker 1: give you example I can give you is Venezuela. The

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Speaker 1: Venezuelan oil is really only good and white. It's why

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Speaker 1: it goes to places like Houston, because you need special refinery,

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Speaker 1: so it goes to Houston. They refine it for roading products.

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Speaker 1: So it's not the sort of oil that would automatically

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Speaker 1: get transferred to cars and turned into jet fuel. So

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Speaker 1: it's that sort of oil. There's plenty of that oil

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Speaker 1: out there in the world. It doesn't make as good

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Speaker 1: a petrol in terms of quality, but when it's versus

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Speaker 1: having nothing, you take it for more From the Mike

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