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Speaker 1: So we had this, we had this last year, didn't.

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Speaker 1: I think that was one of the key words last year.

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Speaker 2: I don't know why she killed the other two. I

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Speaker 2: the other thing. Becaueen who has a beef Wellington for lunch.

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Speaker 1: It was strange, and it was the first time she'd

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Speaker 2: Be fling for dinner, but for lunch.

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Speaker 1: No, no, And it was under the guise of she's

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Speaker 2: Oh, she's overreached on so many.

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Speaker 3: So did the ex husband not go?

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Speaker 1: Didn't go? Didn't go because she had tried to poison

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Speaker 1: him three times before. Fair enough, Now imagine how he

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Speaker 2: Put a warning through, Yeah, don't go. Yeah, she's tried

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Speaker 1: I think the thing is he couldn't prove that she had,

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Speaker 2: It's been terrible for the mushroom industry. I know that Australia, Australia,

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Speaker 2: they are battling away beef Wellington's. Nobody wants a beef

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Speaker 1: Night mare of a nightmare of a food to make.

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Speaker 2: Oh so hard to make. If you guys ever made

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Speaker 1: And how so this was yummy?

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Speaker 2: This was another part of it doesn't have deathcat mushroom.

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Speaker 1: Another part of her defense was that Woolworths didn't have

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Speaker 1: She said she couldn't find that at Wilworth, so she

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Speaker 1: had to buy individual steaks, and that's why each portion

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Speaker 2: Have found, so I didn't know that detail. This is good.

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Speaker 2: I'm looking to you.

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Speaker 1: How far through the boquet?

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Speaker 2: Okay, great, you can have.

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Speaker 1: It after me.

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Speaker 2: I'd love to.

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Speaker 1: The only issue is the only issue is this book.

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Speaker 1: It is written as a fictional account from the perspective

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Speaker 1: All the stuff in there is factual. It's what happened.

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Speaker 1: But then he's injected this dura by way of like

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Speaker 1: But yeah, if you can get past that, it's a

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Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, I'd love to borrow that after you've finished.

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Speaker 1: If that's okay, The missus is going to read it

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Speaker 2: I'm currently on a I'm currently on a Landed Bottorn

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Speaker 2: book which is all about love and it actually mentions

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Speaker 2: But it's it's really it's actually amazing. It describes sulking

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Speaker 2: loves you. So what you're saying is, I'm going to

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Speaker 2: And if you don't know what's wrong with me, then

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Speaker 1: What a fucking what's the wind? There? There is no wind.

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Speaker 2: I wish I had the exact quote, because you know

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Speaker 3: Though, sometimes the sulker sulky, No, no, this.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes the sulker maybe there's a different conversation they don't

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Speaker 1: Are you? Are you okay? God? I hate It's all good.

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Speaker 1: It's just that the way you said, what's.

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Speaker 3: A better mushroom oriented dish for lunch? Because I actually

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Speaker 3: agree with you heavily, Jerry. The more I think about

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Speaker 1: Better than just having a steak. But it's way. Is

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Speaker 1: it to kill people if you isn't it? I think

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Speaker 1: I've got from suit.

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Speaker 2: I think I've got a landed by time talking about

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Speaker 2: about sulking. Hopefully that's hoppy. That's all this will work

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Speaker 2: on this computer?

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Speaker 1: Do you reckon it?

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Speaker 2: All work?

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Speaker 1: No? Probably not.

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Speaker 2: Let's give it a go.

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Speaker 1: You're up and on.

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Speaker 2: No work on the computer?

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Speaker 1: That sucks? Hold on on? Okay, No, it doesn't work

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Speaker 2: That sucks.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad that.

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Speaker 3: They plugged that inep Can weep it a what is

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Speaker 3: it called a ticket in?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Put a ticket in. Let's put a ticket in a yeah.

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Speaker 2: And tomorrow we're going to talk about the first baby

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Speaker 2: to be born in space?

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Speaker 1: Has it already been born? Aren't we all babies born

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