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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack team podcast

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Speaker 1: from News Talks.

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Speaker 2: That be.

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Speaker 3: Sustainability on Saturday mornings. Kate Hall aka Ethically Kate, that's

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Speaker 3: a social media name, is with us this morning, Gilda.

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Speaker 2: Good morning.

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Speaker 3: You're focusing on a bit of sustainability this morning that

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Speaker 3: I think most of us often overlook, and that's being

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Speaker 3: digitally sustainable. So like whether it's you know, you're kind

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Speaker 3: of online life, using emails, all that kind of thing,

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Speaker 3: using AI, how to be more sustainable when doing it.

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Speaker 3: So why does this matter? Why why should we be

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Speaker 3: looking at our digital behavior through a sustainability lens.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think because we all engage in technology, right,

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Speaker 2: you know, we're all in our phones, our lapt ups,

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Speaker 2: our computers. We're storing photos, we're storing documents, restoring voicemais,

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Speaker 2: like we have all of this stuff that we because

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Speaker 2: it's not physically there, Like we're not putting our waste

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Speaker 2: into a physical rubbish bin. We're just driving it to

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Speaker 2: a little rubbish on our computers, and we're not actually

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Speaker 2: seeing we're not seeing the stuff visiblief, So we kind

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Speaker 2: of just don't think about it's impact a lot. But

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Speaker 2: you know, our cloud storage or our emails. AI in

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Speaker 2: particular has a carbon footprint, and I mean AI is

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Speaker 2: really new, and there's all sorts of stats around what

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Speaker 2: that carbon footprint is that that we've kind of properly

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Speaker 2: settled exactly on what that looks like. So I won't

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Speaker 2: quote any stats. But it's big and it's only going

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Speaker 2: to get bigger. Do you know.

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Speaker 3: I remember seeing sorry to interrupt you, I saw something

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Speaker 3: from Sam Altman, you know, who's the CEO of open Ai,

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Speaker 3: which makes chet GPT. It was last month or the

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Speaker 3: month before, and he said they're spending millions and millions

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Speaker 3: of dollars on energy, but just just in the way

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Speaker 3: that people are saying please and thank you to chet GPT.

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Speaker 3: So the processing that is involved, if you say to

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Speaker 3: chet GPT, can you please give me an idea for dinner?

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Speaker 3: By saying please, the digital processing that is required requires

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Speaker 3: so much energy that when you imagine all of the

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Speaker 3: people around the world saying please and thank you to

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Speaker 3: check gpt, it's costing millions of dollars.

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Speaker 2: It's full on it. And that's just one great example

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Speaker 2: of you think of all those little tiny emails in

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Speaker 2: your inbox, or all those duplicate photos that are sitting

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Speaker 2: in your cloud storage that are all adding up. You know,

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Speaker 2: we say, oh, I'm just one person, but we're just

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Speaker 2: one person out of billions of people. So there are

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Speaker 2: some really simple things I think that people can, like,

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Speaker 2: we can get into the habit of I really wish

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Speaker 2: they taught this at schools around, just like digital kind

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Speaker 2: of hygiene, because it's not only obviously from an environmental

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Speaker 2: point of view. Absolutely we want to reduce a carbon

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Speaker 2: footprint the amount of energy we're needing to store all

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Speaker 2: this stuff globally, but it's also about it being better

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Speaker 2: for your mental health too in a way. It's sure,

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Speaker 2: yeah if you're I mean, people say, you know, a clean,

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Speaker 2: cluttered space helps your mind as well, and I'd say

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Speaker 2: that with especially with your computer, if you're someone who

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Speaker 2: has all the tabs open, all the stuff all of

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Speaker 2: your desktop, or you're following people on social media that

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Speaker 2: you don't actually feed into your lives. So simple things

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Speaker 2: that I do. And I try to do this kind

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Speaker 2: of on a regular basis and just have that kind

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Speaker 2: of digital hygiene as a value of mine. But I'll

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Speaker 2: do this kind of every few months, maybe twice a

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Speaker 2: year of just going through and I'm subscribing from different

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Speaker 2: email databases, things that don't serve me anymore, deleting bunches

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Speaker 2: of emails that I don't need, and following accounts on

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Speaker 2: social media, looking and assessing my screen time and actually thinking,

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Speaker 2: you know, am I proud of this? It's less of

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Speaker 2: an environmental but more I am I am? Yeah, am

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Speaker 2: I proud of this? Like if I to be on

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Speaker 2: my gravestone right now? You know hat Hale spent four

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Speaker 2: hours and twenty minutes down his phone because is that Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Is this actually helping and benefiting my life? Our technology

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Speaker 2: should be supporting us rather than draining us.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, than dictating everything in our lives exactly.

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Speaker 2: And also the less time you spend online, Yeah, the

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Speaker 2: more data you're going to, more downloads you're going to download,

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Speaker 2: all those types of things. And speaking of downloading something,

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Speaker 2: it's it's about you know, when you're interacting with your computer,

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Speaker 2: when you're checking emails instead of downloading something, just clicking

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Speaker 2: through to the link on the internet. Yeah, differ different

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Speaker 2: stuff like that. I recently, kind of in the last

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Speaker 2: few years, made a task every single day, I have

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Speaker 2: a task that I make sure my downloads and desktop

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's a good idea.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't get to the end of the year

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Speaker 2: and you've got this like huge, big full download folder

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Speaker 2: when you're going is this important? I actually don't know,

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Speaker 2: so I'm just going to save it all. Yeah, So

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Speaker 2: doing things like that. I also, especially as a online

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Speaker 2: content creator, I have a lot of photos and videos.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot.

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Speaker 2: I'd say my digital footprint is yeah, quite big compared

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Speaker 2: to the average person. So I try. So there's different

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Speaker 2: apps you can use that actually help you go through

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Speaker 2: and cull a whole lot of that storage space, and

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Speaker 2: then you can delete the app when you don't need it.

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Speaker 2: So just actually, rather than just doing that whole spring

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Speaker 2: clean going around through your home, maybe awesome clean before winter.

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Speaker 2: Winter's a great time to do that, to actually focus on,

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Speaker 2: you know, what is my digital footprint? How can I

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Speaker 2: make this a happier space for me and actually reduce

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Speaker 2: my carb and footprint.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I think it's such good advice. You know, I

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Speaker 3: can't even wait as long as you do. I just

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Speaker 3: do it all the time. It's like a tidy house,

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Speaker 3: tidy mind thing for me. At the moment I gets

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Speaker 3: into the marketing emails. I personally malajories. I just immediately unsubscribe.

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Speaker 3: I just it just drives me nuts otherwise. But you know,

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Speaker 3: I don't often look at it through the leans of

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Speaker 3: you know, processing power and the energy required and all

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Speaker 3: that kind of thing. Most of us just look at

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Speaker 3: it as a kind of inconvenience, right, But it's such

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Speaker 3: good advice. Yeah, okay, hey, thank you for that. Kate.

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Speaker 3: Really appreciate your time as per And this is the

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Speaker 3: ironic bit of our conversation where we go from talking

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Speaker 3: about getting off digital devices quite you know as much

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Speaker 3: as we are, through reminding everyone that if they want

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Speaker 3: to find you and follow you online, they can do

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Speaker 3: so by searching ethically. Kate on the social media platforms seasone.

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