1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: Jason Pine Sports Talk Hoasters with us. Now, Hey Piney, 2 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: Hello Heather. Okay, are you giving it to the Crusaders. 3 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 2: No, No, I'm not. I'm not going to give it 4 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 2: to the Crusaders. I'm going to give it to the Chiefs. Look, 5 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 2: it's a coin flip. It actually doesn't matter what either 6 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:20,639 Speaker 2: of us say. You know, anything could happen there on 7 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:22,599 Speaker 2: Saturday night. I tell you the reason I'm giving it 8 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 2: to the Chiefs is the man in the ten jersey 9 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 2: for the Chiefs. I think Damien McKenzie. If you look 10 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 2: at the forty six players who are going to take 11 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 2: part in this game, your eyes just get drawn to 12 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 2: him and the influence that he might have. It's probably 13 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 2: the one position where the Chiefs do have a significant 14 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 2: advantage in terms of the player in that jumper. We 15 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:45,240 Speaker 2: all know Damien McKenzie's qualities. Rivers Raehart is a good player, 16 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 2: but he's not Damien McKenzie. So I feel as though 17 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 2: he may well be a big part of the difference 18 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 2: on Saturday time. 19 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure this is what you said on Monday. 20 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 1: So you're consistent, right, So I am picking. I'm picking 21 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: that you're going to I'm picking this for Saturday, then 22 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: I'm gonna put my money. They're piny. 23 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 2: I thought you were going to say, now that I've 24 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 2: picked the Chiefs, you're going to put your money on the. 25 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 1: Ground because you've been getting it right lately. So I'm 26 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: going to go to here. 27 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:11,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, all right, I mean, look, yeah, put it 28 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 2: this way here. As you know, I mean, the Crusaders 29 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 2: could well win. They've won the last thirty one games 30 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 2: of knockout rugby and christ Yet you know, why would 31 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:22,040 Speaker 2: they do anything other than win the thirty second. You know, 32 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 2: both teams have got reasons to lift apart from a 33 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 2: Grand Final. The Chiefs are losing their coach in one 34 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 2: of their best players, Sean Stevenson. The Crusaders are saying 35 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 2: goodbye to dear old Eddington as they look forward to 36 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 2: moving into their new stadium next year. There's all sorts 37 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:37,320 Speaker 2: of emotion on the line. I just hope the game 38 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 2: lives up to the hype, that's all I hope. 39 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you. Now, Look, do you think 40 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 1: that eye gouge was deliberate. 41 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 2: I've had a couple of looks at it. I don't 42 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 2: think so, but I can see why people think it 43 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 2: might be. It's tough. I mean, whenever you slow anything 44 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 2: like that down, it always looks worse, doesn't it. You know, 45 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 2: It's like when you have a collision, you know, when 46 00:01:57,480 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 2: they're looking at a headshot in a game of rugby, 47 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 2: ways looks worse slowed down. Look, these two teams, obviously, 48 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 2: you know, steeped in history, state of origin. There's always 49 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 2: going to be a bit of niggle. But I gouging. 50 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 2: I think cross is a line that most of them 51 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 2: don't cross. So I'm going to say no, So what 52 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 2: is it? 53 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: I mean, why do you not think it was as 54 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:18,640 Speaker 1: eye gouging? Do you not see the fingers going in 55 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:19,920 Speaker 1: for a good old dig? 56 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 2: Is that what you're not? Well? I think, well, what 57 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 2: I'm not saying, I guess what And it's impossible to know, 58 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:27,959 Speaker 2: but I'm not I'm not sensing intent. Look, I mean, yeah, 59 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 2: a player can run his can get his hand caught 60 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 2: around another bloke's face, and as he's in the in 61 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 2: the process of removing that hand from the face, it 62 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 2: can you know, it can make contact with the eyes. 63 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 2: That can happen. It's whether he went in there deliberately, 64 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 2: you know, looking looking for you know, as you say 65 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:47,839 Speaker 2: a bit of a bit of gouge action, and I'm 66 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 2: not sure that that's what happened. 67 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, Piney, thank you for that. I appreciate it. Jason 68 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 1: Pie sports talk host. 69 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:56,359 Speaker 2: For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drave, listen live to 70 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 2: news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow 71 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 2: the podcast Lust on iHeartRadio.