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Speaker 2: Welcome to podcast two hundred and seventy four for March five,

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. Ever heard of James Roguski? Maybe yes,

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Speaker 2: maybe no? Now. I spoke with James Rogowski earlier in

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Speaker 2: the year. He is an interesting character fighting a battle

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Speaker 2: that he's passionate about. And more on Rogowski shortly. First,

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Speaker 2: there is the story that's spoken this morning of Richard

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Speaker 2: Prebble's resignation from the White Tangi Tribunal. I didn't even

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Speaker 2: know that he was on the tribunal. He's only been

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Speaker 2: there about, i'm told, four months. Nevertheless, having read the

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Speaker 2: letter of resignation, I have to say, Richard Prebble has

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Speaker 2: not let us down. It is a brilliant letter. It

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Speaker 2: tells the truth about the situation, and if it doesn't

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Speaker 2: make politicians in this country pull their socks up and

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Speaker 2: actually get some guts, then this country may well be

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Speaker 2: in an attempted to say terminal trouble, but certainly serious

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Speaker 2: trouble if it's not already now. Leaving that aside, it'll

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Speaker 2: be everywhere for the next few weeks, I would imagine,

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Speaker 2: and it will cause some disruption, But let's deal with

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Speaker 2: the small matter of the rest of the world. We

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Speaker 2: went to bed last night with one story, we woke

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Speaker 2: to another, all together different version of the lay of

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Speaker 2: the land. Now, in the period since the oval office

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Speaker 2: verbal battle that ended in total chaos, we've had commentary

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Speaker 2: from all sundry, everybody, all over the world. Everybody has

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Speaker 2: how to say about it. There have been arguments I've

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Speaker 2: different versions, and different interpretations of what's happened, mostly based

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Speaker 2: on their understanding of what this is all about in

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Speaker 2: the first place, and variations on the theme it has

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Speaker 2: become once again a social crisis. Very good friend and

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Speaker 2: I agreed that we would not talk about it anymore

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Speaker 2: on the basis that we couldn't come to we couldn't

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Speaker 2: come to a mutual anything. My argument is and always

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Speaker 2: has been that when there is a crisis like this,

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Speaker 2: you cannot rush to judgment. My opinion is it always

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Speaker 2: has been for as long as I can remember, is

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Speaker 2: that when there is a crisis of this nature, and

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Speaker 2: this is probably the worst one we've had for a

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Speaker 2: long long time. But when there's the crisis of this nature,

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Speaker 2: you cannot garner all the information at once. You have

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Speaker 2: to wait for it to be revealed. You have to

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Speaker 2: get different opinions. Doesn't matter what you thought before. Unless

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Speaker 2: arrive at one, but you might be deceiving yourself. And

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Speaker 2: let's not forget it's where you get your information from

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Speaker 2: that is vitally important. Let me give you some examples

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Speaker 2: of what's been published in the last few days. Europe

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Speaker 2: is falling. Martin Armstrong warns, that's why they need war

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Speaker 2: with Russia. Zelensky goes to town. If the President of

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Speaker 2: might give him a copy of Through Sidade's History of

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Speaker 2: the Peloponnesian War, Zelensky has finally and fatally misstepped. Seldom

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Speaker 2: in modern times has the fate of a whole nation

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Speaker 2: rift between him and Donald Trump, who the previous week

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Speaker 2: of article. It has a perspective Trump, Vance and the

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Speaker 2: New World Order by Stephen Sukup. We had Stephen Sukop

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Speaker 2: least part of it, I think is essential. Quoting this

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Speaker 2: Before meeting President Trump, Zelensky met with anti Trump Democrats

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Speaker 2: Democrat Connecticut, quote, just finished a meeting with President Zelenski

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Speaker 2: not support a fake peace agreement where Putin gets everything

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Speaker 2: The meeting, as the world now knows, quickly went off

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Speaker 2: Vance staged, staged in ambush. In fact, it was Zelensky

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Speaker 2: anyone came to that meeting in bad faith, it was

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Speaker 2: clearly a Zelenski whose body language and attitude was negative

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Speaker 2: But Zelensky had other ideas. He contradicted, interrupted and insulted

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Speaker 2: Now there's plenty more like I say, Miranda Divine and

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Speaker 2: want to emphasize that the only Trump, not Zelensky, can

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Speaker 2: say Ukraine. I have known Vladimir A. Zelensky very well

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Speaker 2: for years as a senior official personally appointed by Zelensky.

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Speaker 2: I spoke to him many times a day and observed

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Speaker 2: remain silent about how Zelensky is weakening Ukraine under the

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Speaker 2: at least some of what Donald Trump said about Zelensky

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Speaker 2: is true. While Western politicians have rushed to condemn Trump

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Speaker 2: In reality, he has undermined our democracy, institutions and economy,

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Speaker 2: The recent Ukrainian survey confirms this, with sixty five percent

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Speaker 2: As Zelensky's authoritarian instincts were already becoming clear even before

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Speaker 2: approved rhetoric. Zelensky is a hero, Ukraine is unbreakable, and

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Speaker 2: then in private they will say what they really think,

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Speaker 2: that they want him gone. The war has given Zelenski

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Speaker 2: been funneling extra payments to those who promote his image online,

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Speaker 2: flooding social media with thousands of carefully curated videos showing

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Speaker 2: him as the charming actor turned wartime leader clad in

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Speaker 3: they've been jabbed and tested. And I know of people

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Speaker 3: who had the swabs stuck up their nose and it

429
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Speaker 3: punctured the lining you know, between your upper sonuses because

430
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Speaker 3: it was done improperly, and they had a leak of

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Speaker 3: the fluid that protects your brain and had all kinds

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Speaker 3: of health problems from a test that isn't even remotely

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Speaker 3: capable of diagnosing disease. So what we're really dealing with

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Speaker 3: on a big level is propaganda and lives designed to

435
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Speaker 3: turn healthy people into lifelong patients and or customers, if

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Speaker 3: you will.

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Speaker 2: That's an extremely effective summary of the situation I have.

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Speaker 2: I've interviewed a large number over the last four years

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Speaker 2: of people medical people in the main who have given

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Speaker 2: us some pretty good insight into what's well. They've opened

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Speaker 2: up the doors to what's available information wise, and really

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00:30:02,253 --> 00:30:06,453
Speaker 2: this is the way that I see it, that nothing

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Speaker 2: should be mandated. It should all be a matter of

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Speaker 2: option and choice based on the best information that we

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Speaker 2: can that we can have. What happened, of course in

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Speaker 2: this country, was that we had a government that wasn't

447
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Speaker 2: interested in any other approach to this other than what

448
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Speaker 2: turned out to be falsehoods on the part of many companies,

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Speaker 2: many individuals, and many highly qualified so called highly qualified medicos.

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Speaker 2: And that's left a bit of taste in the mouth

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Speaker 2: of a lot of people. But since then it has

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Speaker 2: given people the opportunity to expand their interests into other

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Speaker 2: areas where they needed more information to cover off things

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Speaker 2: like well cholesterol and statens and what have you.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, government politicians and or public health officials

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Speaker 3: who try to force people to do things for their

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Speaker 3: own good. I'll bring it around in a different way

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Speaker 3: to try to address what you just said. I am

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Speaker 3: of the belief that I was born with a terminal illness. Okay,

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Speaker 3: it's known as James Rogusky syndrome, and I've been dealing

461
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Speaker 3: with it all my life. Eventually, it's probably going to

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Speaker 3: get me at some point. I think that maybe decades

463
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Speaker 3: away from now. But if I were to go to

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Speaker 3: a medical practitioner and they were to try to give

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Speaker 3: me some sort of help for any health issue that

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Speaker 3: might crop up as part of my unique situation, They're

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Speaker 3: not going to find an ICD ten code and International

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Speaker 3: Classification of Disease code from the WHO that says James

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Speaker 3: Ruguski syndrome on it. They're going to have to buy definition,

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Speaker 3: miscategorize me and say, well, you've got you know, mister

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Speaker 3: Elzheimer's disease, or mister Parkinson's disease, or mister Luke Grigg's disease.

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Speaker 3: Now I've got James Rogusky syndrome. I've been managing it

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Speaker 3: all by myself pretty well for the last sixty four years.

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Speaker 3: And the moment a person gets die agnosed the Latin

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Speaker 3: means two people do not know what's going on. That

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Speaker 3: is when the problems begin. When a person is diagnosed

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Speaker 3: and categorized by some disease classification, the thinking at that point,

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Speaker 3: the examination and the investigation stops. They don't look back

479
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Speaker 3: and say, well, I wonder what it is you're doing

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Speaker 3: or you're not doing. What is it that you're experiencing?

481
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Speaker 3: What is going on with you as a unique person

482
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Speaker 3: man or woman or child. Boom that stops. And there

483
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Speaker 3: was a protocol to follow. Once you've been it's been determined,

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Speaker 3: Oh you're a diabetic, or you're a heart patient, or

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Speaker 3: you're a cancer patient, or you're this, that or the other.

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Speaker 3: That is the problem, and almost everybody falls for it.

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Speaker 3: If I may, let me give you a couple of

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Speaker 3: good examples please. A good friend of mine whose mom

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Speaker 3: has since passed, like a decade ago, but a couple

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Speaker 3: of decades ago, her mom was injured. She was one

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Speaker 3: of the actual original dancers in the Broadway musical West

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Speaker 3: Side Story, and a couple of decades ago, she bashed

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Speaker 3: her knee on a coffee table. Its swelled up and

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Speaker 3: they ended up going to the medical doctor who manipulated

495
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Speaker 3: it actually made it worse. Ultimately, she was given a

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Speaker 3: diagnosis of arthritis. And so my friend called me up

497
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Speaker 3: and said, you know, Jim, arthritis is like, you know,

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Speaker 3: a long term degradation. She didn't have any problems. How

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Speaker 3: could that be? I said, well, this is the perfect

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Speaker 3: example of how the trickery begins. It begins with the diagnosis.

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Speaker 3: And I said, well, hold on a moment. You went

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Speaker 3: in and your mom's got a knee. It's swollen and

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Speaker 3: just a problem. Well, the doctor just translated swollen knee

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Speaker 3: into Latin. Ours means joint and itis means inflamed. Doctors

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Speaker 3: just repeat back to you in a language that you

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Speaker 3: don't understand the very thing that you told them, so

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Speaker 3: that they can fit you into the cubbyhole of whatever

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Speaker 3: diagnostic protocols they can make money off of. Use the

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Speaker 3: idea of fibro mio alja fiber muscle pain. Person goes

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Speaker 3: to the doctor, Oh, manuel ache all over, it hurts,

511
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Speaker 3: you know, I'm sore all of the time. They're told

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Speaker 3: that they have fibromyo alga fiber muscle pain. Well, that

513
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Speaker 3: doesn't do anything other than confuse the person. They thought

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Speaker 3: they had muscle pain, and now they go home going oh,

515
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Speaker 3: my god, I've got fibromano alga. Right, it's linguistic trickery.

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Speaker 3: They should have said, well, what are you eating? What

517
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Speaker 3: are you doing? You know, when does it get worse?

518
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Speaker 3: If you go to a homeopathic practitioner, they'll ask you

519
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Speaker 3: five hundred questions about your life and they'll give you

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Speaker 3: an appropriate treatment for you. If you go to a

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Speaker 3: medical doctor, they want to misclassify you. And let me

522
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Speaker 3: tell you, they understand, and I've spoken with people who

523
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Speaker 3: they know that in their doctor system, all of the

524
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Speaker 3: files are color coded because some diagnose diagnoses are way

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Speaker 3: more profitable than others. You might have a headache because

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Speaker 3: you're constipated and you really just need to go to

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Speaker 3: the bathroom and it will subside. Or they might convince

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Speaker 3: you that you might have a brain tumor and you've

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Speaker 3: got to go, you know, get an MR or or

530
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Speaker 3: I or cat scan or whatever it may be. And

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Speaker 3: that is enormously more profitable than take to ask for

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Speaker 3: and call me in the morning. Okay, Well, the point

533
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Speaker 3: behind all of this is that we are easily fooled

534
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Speaker 3: by experts who claim to know us better than we

535
00:36:30,253 --> 00:36:33,413
Speaker 3: should know ourselves, should.

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Speaker 2: And should be should be the operative word should be

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Speaker 2: the operative word.

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Speaker 3: And so with you know, trying to bring this back

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Speaker 3: around to COVID and the who and what's going on

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Speaker 3: in New Zealand and what people can do and why

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Speaker 3: we're having this conversation. How many of your listeners who

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Speaker 3: I would trust, are you know, higher up in their

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Speaker 3: learning and awareness of what is going on? How many

544
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Speaker 3: of them know everything?

545
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Speaker 2: If that's a question? None, okay.

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Speaker 3: So if we start with there's always something to learn,

547
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Speaker 3: it starts with, well, where are you going to get

548
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Speaker 3: that information? So about two and a half months ago,

549
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Speaker 3: I was looking through some lawsuits that had been filed

550
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Speaker 3: by various you know, attorneys general and people individuals or

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Speaker 3: law firms and so forth, and I asked myself a

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Speaker 3: rhetorical question. I said, you know, if I was going

553
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Speaker 3: to bring a lawsuit to protect myself against this, what

554
00:37:40,933 --> 00:37:45,653
Speaker 3: evidence would I submit? And I went looking. I was like, well,

555
00:37:45,693 --> 00:37:49,813
Speaker 3: you know, has anybody you know really scanned you know,

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Speaker 3: the world of what's been going on for the last

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Speaker 3: five years to collect all of not conspiracy, theory or

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00:37:57,133 --> 00:38:04,253
Speaker 3: speculation or opinion, but evidence? Okay? And then I asked

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Speaker 3: myself a second rhetorical question, and I said, well, you know,

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Speaker 3: if a friend of mine came up to me and said, Jim,

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Speaker 3: I get it. You know, I understand the COVID nineteen

562
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Speaker 3: injections really don't help, you know, they're problematic. I understand that,

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Speaker 3: But I don't really know these things. You know, how

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Speaker 3: could I learn more? So I went and I looked

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Speaker 3: at what was out there in the world, and I

566
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Speaker 3: realized that nobody had kind of brought it all together

567
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Speaker 3: under one roof. So on one level, anybody who goes

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Speaker 3: to not Safe and Not Effective dot com will have

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Speaker 3: a library available to them of concrete evidence, published papers

570
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Speaker 3: that are in peer reviewed journals, available through PubMed here

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Speaker 3: in the United States. You know, data from the studies

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Speaker 3: that were done, you know, government documents, bear's reports, all

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00:39:04,613 --> 00:39:08,693
Speaker 3: all these many things. You know, information specifically about New

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Speaker 3: Zealand the details there. I'm actually going to be publishing

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Speaker 3: a page tomorrow, I believe in maybe the next day Saturday.

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Speaker 3: I'm different for New Zealand because of the time it changes.

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Speaker 3: I'm in California that talks about you know, the massive

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Speaker 3: numbers of deaths that were reported, you know through American

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Speaker 3: veyers of people who died in New Zealand and all

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Speaker 3: around the world. That really should be seen as undeniable evidence.

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Speaker 3: But if you're ignorant, and I pronounced that word differently,

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Speaker 3: if you're ignorant of the facts, and if you want

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Speaker 3: to just continue on in your belief whatever your beliefs

584
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Speaker 3: may be, you're going to have a difficult time going

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Speaker 3: forward in life because the facts don't match the claims

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Speaker 3: that have been made by companies and public health officials

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Speaker 3: and so forth. And their only answer to it is

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Speaker 3: to ignore. They are ignorant of the facts. They don't

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Speaker 3: want to face the facts. It's not that they're stupid.

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Speaker 3: It's worse than that. You know, if you're unaware of something,

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Speaker 3: you know that's forgivable. None of us know everything. But

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Speaker 3: once you know and you choose to look the other way,

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Speaker 3: you are ignorant. And ignorance of the law is no excuse.

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Speaker 3: Ignorance of these facts is not a valid excuse. And

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Speaker 3: all I've done really is put my personal filing cabinet,

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Speaker 3: if you will, I broke it down into twenty six chapters,

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Speaker 3: and so anybody who goes to not Safe and Noneffective

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Speaker 3: dot com can have access to the research that I've

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Speaker 3: done I claim no copyright on it. You know, I

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Speaker 3: encourage people copy it, print it, you know, mirror it.

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Speaker 3: If you have any type of online presence, please use

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Speaker 3: it however you want. I claim no ownership over any

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Speaker 3: of it. It's meant to be an asset. As you said,

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Speaker 3: I refer to it as a resource center. Go learn

605
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Speaker 3: and go share that information with people who want to learn.

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Speaker 3: People who don't want to learn that they won't even

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Speaker 3: be able to look at it. They don't want to know.

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Speaker 3: But there are people who do want to know. And

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Speaker 3: let me tell you, in the process of researching this

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Speaker 3: over the past years, but certainly in the last couple

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Speaker 3: of months, very intensely, there's a lot of things that

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Speaker 3: I learned that are just, you know, mind boggling. Like

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Speaker 3: you know, Pfizer lied in the studies. They hid deaths

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Speaker 3: due to the or that were associated with the treatment

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Speaker 3: group in their vaccine trials, and they made it look

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Speaker 3: like they were saving lives when in fact more people

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Speaker 3: who got the job died than got the placebo. Now,

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Speaker 3: they hid that data and they wanted to continue hiding

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Speaker 3: it for seventy five years. But it's been exposed in

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Speaker 3: the United States. It's very confusing, but at the moment,

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Speaker 3: six months old children, according to the CDC schedule should

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Speaker 3: receive three jabs of the COVID injections, not because they

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Speaker 3: aren't approved, but they're still under emergency use authorization. And

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Speaker 3: if those children are deemed to be immunocompromised, they should

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Speaker 3: get another job every two months, or they could get

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Speaker 3: another job based on their doctor's recommendation every two months. Ongoing. Now,

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Speaker 3: when you look at the studies for pregnant women, there

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Speaker 3: are well over a one thousand reports and theirs. On

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Speaker 3: the same day that a woman got the COVID nineteen vaccine,

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Speaker 3: over a thousand reports that they had a miscarriage and

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Speaker 3: lost their unborn child. This is of such epic horror proportions.

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Speaker 3: It boggles the mind that anybody who sees this information

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Speaker 3: can continue to be ignorant of it. But the problem

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Speaker 3: is most people don't know. They just don't know the

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Speaker 3: extent of the horror because the media has been hiding

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Speaker 3: it and misrepresenting it in a disinformation campaign that they

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Speaker 3: were paid billions of dollars to participate in by the

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Speaker 3: government who's working on behalf of the pharmaceutical companies because

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Speaker 3: in the United States, the FDA receives more than half

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Speaker 3: of its income from the pharmaceutical companies. What we're dealing

641
00:44:17,853 --> 00:44:23,493
Speaker 3: with is classic fascism, where government and corporations are working together,

642
00:44:23,613 --> 00:44:26,853
Speaker 3: along with the media and all kinds of foundations and

643
00:44:26,893 --> 00:44:32,533
Speaker 3: non government organizations to lie to people to degrade your

644
00:44:32,653 --> 00:44:36,453
Speaker 3: health so that you become even better customers of the

645
00:44:36,453 --> 00:44:39,053
Speaker 3: pharmaceutical hospital emergency industrial complex.

646
00:44:39,253 --> 00:44:41,813
Speaker 2: A lot of people who are listening to this who

647
00:44:41,893 --> 00:44:46,333
Speaker 2: have not yet taken some of it on board, likely

648
00:44:46,373 --> 00:44:52,213
Speaker 2: to think why would a company, a huge company what

649
00:44:52,373 --> 00:44:56,093
Speaker 2: to follow this path that not just you, but many

650
00:44:56,173 --> 00:45:03,053
Speaker 2: many medical people and people with qualifications hither thither and yon,

651
00:45:03,333 --> 00:45:09,373
Speaker 2: including economists, have pointed out the falsehoods, the fakeries, and

652
00:45:09,413 --> 00:45:14,413
Speaker 2: the corruption that many of us accept has taken place.

653
00:45:15,413 --> 00:45:18,333
Speaker 2: And the place you'd start, from my perspective, if you

654
00:45:18,413 --> 00:45:21,893
Speaker 2: wanted to establish that firmly, would be with one Fauci.

655
00:45:23,333 --> 00:45:26,933
Speaker 2: He is a leading life in all of the above. Now,

656
00:45:27,373 --> 00:45:31,613
Speaker 2: if you are uneducated in any of this area, and

657
00:45:31,693 --> 00:45:34,773
Speaker 2: you are either used to going to your doctor for whatever,

658
00:45:35,493 --> 00:45:37,253
Speaker 2: or even if you go for the very first time

659
00:45:37,293 --> 00:45:42,853
Speaker 2: in your life understanding any alternative other than the authority

660
00:45:43,093 --> 00:45:48,053
Speaker 2: of these people and of that that's conveyed by the

661
00:45:48,093 --> 00:45:52,333
Speaker 2: media is something you just have to accept because you

662
00:45:52,373 --> 00:45:55,493
Speaker 2: don't know any better, and you've been told that if

663
00:45:55,533 --> 00:45:57,973
Speaker 2: you don't do this, this is going to happen, or

664
00:45:57,973 --> 00:46:00,453
Speaker 2: that might happen. You've got no choice, really, have you

665
00:46:00,573 --> 00:46:02,213
Speaker 2: at that particular point of time.

666
00:46:04,573 --> 00:46:08,733
Speaker 3: Oh well, I will disagree. I thought you mindly with.

667
00:46:09,373 --> 00:46:11,973
Speaker 3: You know, everyone always has a choice, but there are

668
00:46:12,013 --> 00:46:21,493
Speaker 3: consequences of those choices. And so while fauci is you know, certainly, uh,

669
00:46:21,533 --> 00:46:24,533
Speaker 3: I'll just say he has been or he had been

670
00:46:24,573 --> 00:46:28,493
Speaker 3: doing his you know, pseudo retired at the moment you

671
00:46:28,573 --> 00:46:30,933
Speaker 3: go back forty years to see the evil that he's

672
00:46:30,973 --> 00:46:37,733
Speaker 3: been involved in. He actually was not in the structure

673
00:46:38,213 --> 00:46:41,853
Speaker 3: you know that authorized these horrors. You know, he was

674
00:46:42,053 --> 00:46:46,213
Speaker 3: involved with what he did. But one of the problems

675
00:46:46,453 --> 00:46:51,213
Speaker 3: is that people need to push back at the appropriate point,

676
00:46:51,333 --> 00:46:55,093
Speaker 3: in the appropriate way, with the appropriate tools. And so

677
00:46:56,013 --> 00:47:01,493
Speaker 3: if the person that you have chosen to take health

678
00:47:01,653 --> 00:47:05,293
Speaker 3: advice from, and you know, it's totally valid to admit

679
00:47:05,333 --> 00:47:08,533
Speaker 3: that you don't know everything and it's good to get

680
00:47:08,573 --> 00:47:14,453
Speaker 3: advice from someone, if that person refuses to look at

681
00:47:14,493 --> 00:47:18,893
Speaker 3: the evidence that is readily available on Not Safe and

682
00:47:18,973 --> 00:47:24,093
Speaker 3: Not Effective dot com in regards to the COVID nineteen injections.

683
00:47:24,693 --> 00:47:28,293
Speaker 3: If they refuse to look at I kid you not

684
00:47:28,773 --> 00:47:36,013
Speaker 3: literally thousands of peer reviewed published papers that are are

685
00:47:36,493 --> 00:47:39,453
Speaker 3: case studies of the harm that has been caused, and

686
00:47:40,013 --> 00:47:46,573
Speaker 3: you know, scientific research into the simple concept that is

687
00:47:46,853 --> 00:47:56,533
Speaker 3: easily easily seen in just one histopathology slide from an

688
00:47:56,573 --> 00:48:02,053
Speaker 3: autopsy where if you've ever looked at a anatomy book,

689
00:48:02,093 --> 00:48:07,333
Speaker 3: you may have seen a microscopic photo of muscle tissue. Okay,

690
00:48:07,853 --> 00:48:11,493
Speaker 3: you might think of the elongated cells that enable your

691
00:48:11,573 --> 00:48:15,853
Speaker 3: muscles to contract and relaxed and so forth. Well, when

692
00:48:15,933 --> 00:48:20,933
Speaker 3: you see the slide of the tissue from a person

693
00:48:21,013 --> 00:48:25,413
Speaker 3: who died and the pathologists who who did the autopsy

694
00:48:25,613 --> 00:48:30,093
Speaker 3: determined that it was due to the COVID nineteen vaccine,

695
00:48:30,453 --> 00:48:37,093
Speaker 3: and you see the results by design, okay, the jabs

696
00:48:37,253 --> 00:48:44,693
Speaker 3: are designed. Two they call it lipofection. Okay. They take

697
00:48:44,733 --> 00:48:50,973
Speaker 3: the mRNA that is the blueprint for the spike protein.

698
00:48:51,333 --> 00:48:54,693
Speaker 3: Now it's not the identical spike protein. It has been manipulated,

699
00:48:54,853 --> 00:48:57,853
Speaker 3: it's not ever occurred in nature, and it's very very different,

700
00:48:58,813 --> 00:49:04,013
Speaker 3: and they wrap it up in a essentially a bubble

701
00:49:04,213 --> 00:49:08,093
Speaker 3: of man made fats that in and of themselves have

702
00:49:08,133 --> 00:49:14,333
Speaker 3: not been studied for carcinogenesy and toxicity, but it lipoffects,

703
00:49:14,533 --> 00:49:18,333
Speaker 3: meaning the one bubble of fat that they've injected into

704
00:49:18,373 --> 00:49:22,693
Speaker 3: a person merges with the fat layer that makes up

705
00:49:22,693 --> 00:49:26,213
Speaker 3: the membrane of cells throughout the body, so that the

706
00:49:26,333 --> 00:49:32,093
Speaker 3: cell can start making this toxic, toxic protein, so that

707
00:49:32,173 --> 00:49:36,813
Speaker 3: the immune system identifies it and destroys it. You can

708
00:49:36,933 --> 00:49:42,333
Speaker 3: see in the slides where the muscle tissue, whether it's

709
00:49:42,333 --> 00:49:44,933
Speaker 3: in your arm, or in the heart or somewhere else,

710
00:49:45,333 --> 00:49:50,093
Speaker 3: has just been liquefied. It's just been blown to smithereens.

711
00:49:50,853 --> 00:49:55,453
Speaker 3: Think of what photographs you may have seen of Gauza

712
00:49:56,133 --> 00:50:01,493
Speaker 3: or any other horrifically war torn area where it's just devastation.

713
00:50:02,493 --> 00:50:08,293
Speaker 3: What we're talking about is microscopic devastation of tissue throughout

714
00:50:08,453 --> 00:50:13,493
Speaker 3: the body muscle, heart, lung, brain, liver, kidney, wherever these

715
00:50:14,373 --> 00:50:18,533
Speaker 3: nanoparticles may have LiPo affected a cell throughout your body,

716
00:50:18,773 --> 00:50:22,293
Speaker 3: you know, through your arterial structure, your capillaries, your veins,

717
00:50:22,293 --> 00:50:25,533
Speaker 3: your arteries, your aorda, your heart, and it's just been

718
00:50:25,733 --> 00:50:30,253
Speaker 3: liquefied by your immune system who destroyed it because it

719
00:50:30,373 --> 00:50:36,133
Speaker 3: identified that those cells were infected and were manufacturing proteins

720
00:50:36,133 --> 00:50:37,893
Speaker 3: that were not part of you, were not supposed to

721
00:50:37,933 --> 00:50:42,773
Speaker 3: be there. And then if the person survives that, it

722
00:50:42,813 --> 00:50:48,293
Speaker 3: gets laid over with a fibrous mesh, which essentially is

723
00:50:48,333 --> 00:50:53,173
Speaker 3: scar tissue. So the design of these products is to

724
00:50:53,213 --> 00:50:57,533
Speaker 3: go everywhere in the person's body, destroy it on a

725
00:50:57,653 --> 00:51:00,533
Speaker 3: microscopic level, or actually I should say encourage it to

726
00:51:00,613 --> 00:51:05,133
Speaker 3: destroy itself by LiPo affecting it with you know, something

727
00:51:05,133 --> 00:51:08,853
Speaker 3: that will make it create a toxic proteins. It needs

728
00:51:08,853 --> 00:51:14,773
Speaker 3: to be destroyed and then scarred over. And then when

729
00:51:14,893 --> 00:51:18,213
Speaker 3: the body is making antibodies to these proteins and it

730
00:51:18,333 --> 00:51:21,293
Speaker 3: subsides a little bit, they tell you to go get

731
00:51:21,293 --> 00:51:24,693
Speaker 3: a booster and go do it all over again. Go

732
00:51:24,813 --> 00:51:30,333
Speaker 3: kill yourself with another billion more cuts. I truly believe

733
00:51:31,053 --> 00:51:35,933
Speaker 3: that the vast majority of people around the world cannot

734
00:51:36,093 --> 00:51:41,653
Speaker 3: visualize in their mind what these jabs are designed to do.

735
00:51:41,733 --> 00:51:41,893
Speaker 4: Now.

736
00:51:41,893 --> 00:51:45,213
Speaker 3: I don't know if I've painted a good enough picture, okay,

737
00:51:45,653 --> 00:51:48,253
Speaker 3: but if you could imagine a little tiny bubble of

738
00:51:48,253 --> 00:51:52,133
Speaker 3: fat being injected into somebody's arm and it floats into

739
00:51:52,213 --> 00:51:54,653
Speaker 3: their brain or their heart or their lungs, or their liver,

740
00:51:54,773 --> 00:51:58,093
Speaker 3: or wherever bone marrow, you know, every place you can

741
00:51:58,173 --> 00:52:03,413
Speaker 3: imagine ovaries, testes, and so forth, causes a cell to

742
00:52:03,493 --> 00:52:08,013
Speaker 3: start making a toxic protein, so that the immune system

743
00:52:08,173 --> 00:52:12,573
Speaker 3: is then you know, its job is to then destroy

744
00:52:12,733 --> 00:52:18,333
Speaker 3: that aberant cell. You're dealing with warfare on a microscopic level,

745
00:52:19,293 --> 00:52:26,973
Speaker 3: where the destruction could result in any ailment possible, and

746
00:52:28,013 --> 00:52:31,373
Speaker 3: sometimes it happens very rapidly, So people put two and

747
00:52:31,413 --> 00:52:35,253
Speaker 3: two together. But what it's really designed to do is

748
00:52:35,293 --> 00:52:38,573
Speaker 3: to turn the person into a customer. What is that

749
00:52:38,613 --> 00:52:41,733
Speaker 3: person going to do when you know, part of their brain,

750
00:52:41,973 --> 00:52:45,253
Speaker 3: or their liver, or their thyroid, or their kidneys or

751
00:52:45,493 --> 00:52:49,933
Speaker 3: spleen or anything else start to malfunction, They're going to

752
00:52:49,973 --> 00:52:54,333
Speaker 3: go right back into the pharmaceutical hospital emergency industrial complex

753
00:52:54,413 --> 00:52:58,173
Speaker 3: and seek help from the people who caused the problem.

754
00:52:58,973 --> 00:53:03,013
Speaker 3: Do you think any doctor who pushed their patient to

755
00:53:03,093 --> 00:53:07,173
Speaker 3: get the JAB is going to allow themselves mentally to

756
00:53:07,293 --> 00:53:11,453
Speaker 3: recognize that they caused this problem? You know, that could

757
00:53:11,453 --> 00:53:16,453
Speaker 3: be anything out of seventy five thousand ICD ten codes. Now,

758
00:53:16,813 --> 00:53:19,173
Speaker 3: let me ask a rhetorical question. I know it's not

759
00:53:19,253 --> 00:53:22,933
Speaker 3: a fair question. I would be shocked if you, if

760
00:53:23,013 --> 00:53:26,493
Speaker 3: you knew the answer. Does anybody know the ICD ten

761
00:53:26,573 --> 00:53:31,893
Speaker 3: code for harm caused by a COVID nineteen vaccine? There

762
00:53:31,973 --> 00:53:35,533
Speaker 3: is such a code. The CDC actually published it before

763
00:53:35,693 --> 00:53:40,853
Speaker 3: the WHO did. It's you, it's you twelve point nine.

764
00:53:41,453 --> 00:53:46,773
Speaker 3: Do you think your doctor is intimately familiar with ICD

765
00:53:46,973 --> 00:53:49,333
Speaker 3: ten code you twelve point nine?

766
00:53:49,773 --> 00:53:53,093
Speaker 2: That's you. You, you the letter, not the word you.

767
00:53:53,533 --> 00:53:58,773
Speaker 3: The letter twelve point nine. That is what the WHO

768
00:53:59,333 --> 00:54:03,893
Speaker 3: has put into the International Classification of Disease coding structure

769
00:54:03,973 --> 00:54:06,533
Speaker 3: for billing and record keeping and all that sort of thing.

770
00:54:07,893 --> 00:54:13,613
Speaker 3: This showed up in German data where after the jobs

771
00:54:13,653 --> 00:54:19,613
Speaker 3: were rolled out on insurance, information was revealed and hundreds

772
00:54:19,653 --> 00:54:24,413
Speaker 3: of thousands of people were treated and the code that

773
00:54:24,533 --> 00:54:28,533
Speaker 3: was given was UCD twelve point nine, which was correct

774
00:54:28,573 --> 00:54:32,533
Speaker 3: and appropriate. These people were treated for, you know, adverse

775
00:54:32,573 --> 00:54:36,533
Speaker 3: events of the job because you know, at least in

776
00:54:36,973 --> 00:54:42,813
Speaker 3: this situation, they were properly described as having suffering from

777
00:54:42,813 --> 00:54:45,893
Speaker 3: side effects of the job. It was that obvious. But

778
00:54:46,413 --> 00:54:50,333
Speaker 3: you know, I would venture to guess that if anybody

779
00:54:50,373 --> 00:54:54,093
Speaker 3: on this call, when they talked to a healthcare professional,

780
00:54:54,253 --> 00:54:56,173
Speaker 3: or they talked to their friends and family, or they

781
00:54:56,173 --> 00:55:01,173
Speaker 3: talked to any government health related anybody and ask them,

782
00:55:01,613 --> 00:55:05,093
Speaker 3: do you know the ICD ten code that should be

783
00:55:05,093 --> 00:55:08,853
Speaker 3: put on a person's medical records if they were harmed

784
00:55:08,893 --> 00:55:13,213
Speaker 3: from the COVID nineteen injections. If they don't know that

785
00:55:13,213 --> 00:55:16,573
Speaker 3: that's the code, then they get to not use it,

786
00:55:17,613 --> 00:55:21,133
Speaker 3: and then the data never shows that there's any problem

787
00:55:21,173 --> 00:55:27,533
Speaker 3: because everybody is being misdiagnosed. And so the problem is

788
00:55:27,693 --> 00:55:34,373
Speaker 3: one of data manipulation out of information that people don't

789
00:55:34,453 --> 00:55:38,533
Speaker 3: want to let out. And if your doctor doesn't even

790
00:55:38,653 --> 00:55:42,733
Speaker 3: know that there's a category when you go and say, hey,

791
00:55:42,773 --> 00:55:44,973
Speaker 3: I think this was because of the jabber or somebody

792
00:55:44,973 --> 00:55:47,733
Speaker 3: else does, they don't even know how to classify it,

793
00:55:48,573 --> 00:55:50,773
Speaker 3: and they're never going to classify it because they were

794
00:55:50,813 --> 00:55:56,373
Speaker 3: the ones who caused it. And so the issue starts

795
00:55:56,773 --> 00:56:01,253
Speaker 3: with knowledge. The vast majority of people don't know what

796
00:56:01,413 --> 00:56:05,093
Speaker 3: they don't know, and I certainly do not know everything.

797
00:56:05,133 --> 00:56:07,533
Speaker 3: I try to learn something new every day, and if

798
00:56:07,533 --> 00:56:10,613
Speaker 3: anybody ever tells me that I'm wrong about something, that's

799
00:56:10,653 --> 00:56:13,293
Speaker 3: a blessed day. You know, if you can show me

800
00:56:13,333 --> 00:56:16,853
Speaker 3: that I'm wrong about something, you're my best buddy. But

801
00:56:16,893 --> 00:56:22,293
Speaker 3: the problem is the people in authority believe that they

802
00:56:22,453 --> 00:56:26,493
Speaker 3: know everything, and they refuse to actually look at the

803
00:56:26,533 --> 00:56:30,413
Speaker 3: evidence to the contrary, and that is at the root.

804
00:56:30,253 --> 00:56:32,573
Speaker 2: Of the problem, and that's at the root of many problems,

805
00:56:32,613 --> 00:56:35,813
Speaker 2: including climate change and other matters. There's a couple of

806
00:56:35,853 --> 00:56:39,413
Speaker 2: other things I want to query you on. I want

807
00:56:39,413 --> 00:56:44,453
Speaker 2: your opinion on gene technology. The New Zealand government at

808
00:56:44,493 --> 00:56:47,733
Speaker 2: the moment is looking to pass the Gene Technology Bill,

809
00:56:49,053 --> 00:56:52,733
Speaker 2: and you understand what that means. If you think it's

810
00:56:52,773 --> 00:56:56,333
Speaker 2: necessary to describe what it means, then go for it.

811
00:56:56,653 --> 00:56:59,453
Speaker 2: But what I'm interested to know is what your reaction

812
00:57:00,013 --> 00:57:03,853
Speaker 2: to the passing of that bill, what it might mean

813
00:57:04,173 --> 00:57:04,853
Speaker 2: as an outcome.

814
00:57:06,813 --> 00:57:09,413
Speaker 3: Well, you know, I will tie this in to what

815
00:57:09,533 --> 00:57:14,413
Speaker 3: I can speak very clearly about in regards to the WHO,

816
00:57:14,933 --> 00:57:19,653
Speaker 3: and tied into that. On June first, twenty twenty four,

817
00:57:20,013 --> 00:57:27,613
Speaker 3: even when people were celebrating a false victory, the WHO

818
00:57:28,213 --> 00:57:32,733
Speaker 3: and all of the member nations adopted amendment to the

819
00:57:32,773 --> 00:57:39,653
Speaker 3: International Health Regulations. And part of what's in that is

820
00:57:39,773 --> 00:57:43,933
Speaker 3: they defined what would now be known if these are

821
00:57:43,973 --> 00:57:48,293
Speaker 3: allowed to go into effect, because they can still be rejected.

822
00:57:49,413 --> 00:57:52,853
Speaker 3: There's a period of time that every nation can reject

823
00:57:52,933 --> 00:57:58,773
Speaker 3: the amendments that were adopted in June first of twenty

824
00:57:58,813 --> 00:58:02,093
Speaker 3: twenty four, and New Zealand was one of only four

825
00:58:02,133 --> 00:58:05,413
Speaker 3: countries that rejected the amendments that were adopted in twenty

826
00:58:05,493 --> 00:58:10,093
Speaker 3: twenty two. So good on you go, do it can, Okay.

827
00:58:10,413 --> 00:58:16,413
Speaker 3: What they put in place was that pandemic related products

828
00:58:16,893 --> 00:58:24,053
Speaker 3: were defined in the International Health Regulations and it was clearly,

829
00:58:24,253 --> 00:58:31,613
Speaker 3: you know, only pharmaceutical products, including gene and cell based therapies.

830
00:58:32,733 --> 00:58:36,373
Speaker 3: It did not include vitamins and minerals and herbs and

831
00:58:36,413 --> 00:58:40,733
Speaker 3: homeopathic remedies or any such thing. So by agreement, if

832
00:58:40,733 --> 00:58:43,973
Speaker 3: it's allowed to stand now, please understand that every nation

833
00:58:44,253 --> 00:58:48,773
Speaker 3: can reject those amendments. We have until July to make

834
00:58:48,773 --> 00:58:54,813
Speaker 3: that happen. But I would like to promote a referendum

835
00:58:54,893 --> 00:58:59,933
Speaker 3: that petition signatures are currently being sought. If anybody goes

836
00:58:59,973 --> 00:59:07,773
Speaker 3: to who knows meaning who knows dot co dot NZ

837
00:59:08,413 --> 00:59:11,733
Speaker 3: as you might say, and Z who knows dot co

838
00:59:12,173 --> 00:59:20,853
Speaker 3: dot NZ get involved with exiting the WHO, because those

839
00:59:21,133 --> 00:59:27,333
Speaker 3: international regulations make it so that the only response that

840
00:59:28,173 --> 00:59:35,173
Speaker 3: is recognized by the WHO includes cell and gene based therapies. Now,

841
00:59:35,693 --> 00:59:41,053
Speaker 3: the jabs that have been injected into billions of people

842
00:59:41,093 --> 00:59:44,773
Speaker 3: around the world. In my opinion my analysis, and I

843
00:59:44,773 --> 00:59:48,133
Speaker 3: think I have evidence to back it up, were clearly

844
00:59:48,293 --> 00:59:54,453
Speaker 3: not vaccines. They were genetic techniques, if you will, and

845
00:59:54,773 --> 01:00:00,173
Speaker 3: they've turned into what I think is an immuno imbalancing therapy.

846
01:00:00,453 --> 01:00:03,933
Speaker 3: They are not like people think of vaccine should be,

847
01:00:04,653 --> 01:00:07,493
Speaker 3: which is you get a little bit of the problem

848
01:00:07,533 --> 01:00:10,613
Speaker 3: that you might run into in the future to alert

849
01:00:10,693 --> 01:00:14,093
Speaker 3: your body to some pathogen, and then your body has

850
01:00:14,173 --> 01:00:16,373
Speaker 3: seen it once, so if it ever sees it again,

851
01:00:16,733 --> 01:00:19,813
Speaker 3: it deals with it better. Well, the way they design

852
01:00:19,893 --> 01:00:25,813
Speaker 3: these actually destroys your full bodied immune response. You only

853
01:00:25,893 --> 01:00:30,573
Speaker 3: see a made up protein that's not ever found in nature,

854
01:00:31,253 --> 01:00:35,573
Speaker 3: and it actually triggers your immune system to respond inappropriately.

855
01:00:36,653 --> 01:00:42,093
Speaker 3: I mean, the insanity behind the design of this can

856
01:00:42,173 --> 01:00:46,173
Speaker 3: only be described as evil. And so what people are

857
01:00:46,213 --> 01:00:50,933
Speaker 3: finding is that if they get injected, their immune system

858
01:00:50,973 --> 01:00:54,773
Speaker 3: gets imbalanced. They're actually more likely to have the very

859
01:00:54,893 --> 01:00:59,333
Speaker 3: problem that they were told the injection would help prevent.

860
01:01:00,373 --> 01:01:05,533
Speaker 3: And so this is a wide open field that they

861
01:01:05,573 --> 01:01:11,093
Speaker 3: are trying to craft into to legislation. And you know,

862
01:01:11,493 --> 01:01:14,973
Speaker 3: very much like the guidelines that New Zealand published almost

863
01:01:15,013 --> 01:01:20,813
Speaker 3: a year ago now for their pandemic response plan. People

864
01:01:21,133 --> 01:01:24,613
Speaker 3: need to pay attention, and so I would encourage everybody

865
01:01:24,693 --> 01:01:28,293
Speaker 3: to go to who knows, dot co, dot NZ because

866
01:01:28,333 --> 01:01:32,373
Speaker 3: the answer as far as the WHO is concerned, is

867
01:01:32,453 --> 01:01:37,653
Speaker 3: to put them in the rearview mirror and have the

868
01:01:37,773 --> 01:01:44,573
Speaker 3: leadership realize that what the WHO really is is not

869
01:01:44,733 --> 01:01:48,813
Speaker 3: an organization that is designed to help improve your health.

870
01:01:49,893 --> 01:01:53,693
Speaker 3: They are the marketing and promotion arm for big pharma,

871
01:01:54,293 --> 01:01:58,373
Speaker 3: and what they're trying to do with these negotiations is

872
01:01:58,933 --> 01:02:03,893
Speaker 3: not prevent the next pandemic. They want billions of dollars

873
01:02:03,933 --> 01:02:07,573
Speaker 3: to flow through the WHO, and they want to be

874
01:02:07,613 --> 01:02:13,413
Speaker 3: in charge of the distribution and logistics network for unlimited

875
01:02:13,933 --> 01:02:19,373
Speaker 3: injections because they believe in their mind that these products

876
01:02:19,813 --> 01:02:24,373
Speaker 3: work to your benefit, but they actually work to your detriment.

877
01:02:25,253 --> 01:02:28,693
Speaker 3: And you know, this isn't a set of negotiations to

878
01:02:28,813 --> 01:02:32,133
Speaker 3: improve your health. It's a set of negotiations, if you

879
01:02:32,253 --> 01:02:38,173
Speaker 3: really read them, to redistribute wealth away from you towards

880
01:02:38,493 --> 01:02:43,333
Speaker 3: them and their cronies in the industry. And so you know,

881
01:02:43,373 --> 01:02:47,133
Speaker 3: I can't even begin to say how I feel that

882
01:02:47,413 --> 01:02:53,813
Speaker 3: everybody needs to get much more clear on the evidence

883
01:02:54,853 --> 01:03:01,853
Speaker 3: of what is really happening. We are victimized by misinformation

884
01:03:02,013 --> 01:03:06,133
Speaker 3: that comes from our own side, and we are victimized

885
01:03:06,653 --> 01:03:14,373
Speaker 3: by people in positions of perceived authority who refuse to

886
01:03:14,493 --> 01:03:19,333
Speaker 3: look at the evidence that would actually implicate them in

887
01:03:19,813 --> 01:03:23,693
Speaker 3: massive crimes against humanity. So it starts with knowledge, It

888
01:03:23,693 --> 01:03:26,813
Speaker 3: starts with an awareness, and all I try to do

889
01:03:27,573 --> 01:03:31,333
Speaker 3: is condense that information as much as possible so that

890
01:03:31,693 --> 01:03:34,373
Speaker 3: the average person can look at this and go, this

891
01:03:34,413 --> 01:03:37,733
Speaker 3: is this is insane. This has to stop. Why are

892
01:03:37,773 --> 01:03:41,533
Speaker 3: we sticking three injections into six month old babies for

893
01:03:41,653 --> 01:03:45,333
Speaker 3: an ailment that they would never have, It would not

894
01:03:45,493 --> 01:03:49,613
Speaker 3: cause them any problems? Who is responsible for this kind

895
01:03:49,653 --> 01:03:53,613
Speaker 3: of thing? They need to be held accountable and this

896
01:03:54,053 --> 01:03:56,533
Speaker 3: has to stop, and it has to stop now.

897
01:03:56,973 --> 01:04:00,573
Speaker 2: It's easy to say, not so easy to fulfill.

898
01:04:00,733 --> 01:04:04,333
Speaker 3: Understood. Understood, it starts, It starts with, you know, one

899
01:04:04,373 --> 01:04:09,053
Speaker 3: step of collecting the evidence, not a opinion. You asked

900
01:04:09,093 --> 01:04:11,893
Speaker 3: me for my opinion, and I certainly have them, but

901
01:04:12,493 --> 01:04:16,053
Speaker 3: I generally try to answer that type of question with

902
01:04:16,453 --> 01:04:20,253
Speaker 3: it's not my opinion, here's the evidence. And so anybody

903
01:04:20,293 --> 01:04:22,813
Speaker 3: who goes, you know, to not say for non effective

904
01:04:22,853 --> 01:04:28,493
Speaker 3: dot com, you'll find thousands of peer reviewed published papers

905
01:04:28,933 --> 01:04:34,333
Speaker 3: that are evidence that your doctor and your public health

906
01:04:34,333 --> 01:04:40,453
Speaker 3: official are choosing to be ignorant of and you have

907
01:04:40,573 --> 01:04:44,573
Speaker 3: to take forth and put the effort into saying, look,

908
01:04:44,733 --> 01:04:48,653
Speaker 3: this is not my opinion, and your opinion doesn't count.

909
01:04:48,693 --> 01:04:53,133
Speaker 3: And in the hierarchy of evidence, in terms of scientific validity,

910
01:04:53,733 --> 01:04:57,773
Speaker 3: opinions don't mean a darn thing. And you know, faced

911
01:04:57,813 --> 01:05:02,493
Speaker 3: with the ample evidence that they refuse to consider, you

912
01:05:02,613 --> 01:05:05,653
Speaker 3: have to look in the mirror and ask yourself, why

913
01:05:05,693 --> 01:05:08,333
Speaker 3: in the world would you ever trust anybody in that system.

914
01:05:09,173 --> 01:05:10,893
Speaker 3: You need to get out of that system. You need

915
01:05:10,933 --> 01:05:14,973
Speaker 3: to stop going to medical doctors to receive poisonous pills

916
01:05:14,973 --> 01:05:20,773
Speaker 3: and injections, and you know, find how it's more appropriate

917
01:05:21,333 --> 01:05:27,853
Speaker 3: to treat yourself as unique man, woman, or child, because

918
01:05:28,173 --> 01:05:32,813
Speaker 3: that's not what they do. They diagnose you and put

919
01:05:32,853 --> 01:05:36,213
Speaker 3: you in a cubby hole and follow a protocol that's

920
01:05:36,293 --> 01:05:39,453
Speaker 3: designed to turn healthy people into lifelong patients.

921
01:05:40,573 --> 01:05:44,293
Speaker 2: The who is no Longer Fit for Purpose title of

922
01:05:44,333 --> 01:05:48,693
Speaker 2: an article written by relish the curve. You agree or disagree?

923
01:05:50,333 --> 01:05:55,253
Speaker 3: Oh? Absolutely? I mean what is their purpose? They have

924
01:05:55,413 --> 01:05:59,533
Speaker 3: been functioning for the last twenty years, as you know,

925
01:05:59,653 --> 01:06:07,653
Speaker 3: the mouthpiece for vaccines, and when you understand where their

926
01:06:07,813 --> 01:06:12,653
Speaker 3: money comes from and how it is directed through the

927
01:06:12,813 --> 01:06:18,053
Speaker 3: organization they are basically you know, this is one way

928
01:06:18,053 --> 01:06:22,453
Speaker 3: of looking at it. They're just hired help. They're just

929
01:06:23,053 --> 01:06:26,253
Speaker 3: contracted to do a job. If the billing and the

930
01:06:26,293 --> 01:06:30,013
Speaker 3: Gates Foundation donates, you know, half a billion dollars and

931
01:06:30,053 --> 01:06:32,453
Speaker 3: they say, well, we want you to you know, uh,

932
01:06:33,453 --> 01:06:36,973
Speaker 3: put these vaccines in children all throughout Africa. That's what

933
01:06:37,053 --> 01:06:41,813
Speaker 3: the who works on doesn't really mean that they're trying

934
01:06:41,813 --> 01:06:44,453
Speaker 3: to improve the health of people. And all of their

935
01:06:44,493 --> 01:06:47,333
Speaker 3: statistics show that the health of the people that they're

936
01:06:47,373 --> 01:06:51,893
Speaker 3: supposedly helping is you know, being degraded. But their money

937
01:06:51,973 --> 01:06:55,893
Speaker 3: comes with strings attached, and so you know that alone

938
01:06:56,693 --> 01:06:59,893
Speaker 3: is you know, evidence of corruption and you know fit

939
01:06:59,973 --> 01:07:02,053
Speaker 3: for purpose. You know, if the purpose is to improve

940
01:07:02,093 --> 01:07:05,613
Speaker 3: the health of the world's population, they're failing miserably, and

941
01:07:05,693 --> 01:07:07,693
Speaker 3: their own data shows exactly that.

942
01:07:08,613 --> 01:07:12,733
Speaker 2: The interesting thing, I suppose, well, it's not interesting, it's

943
01:07:12,773 --> 01:07:15,613
Speaker 2: just obvious. The obvious thing is that there are so

944
01:07:15,693 --> 01:07:22,933
Speaker 2: many people now of good qualification, but more importantly, good intent,

945
01:07:23,813 --> 01:07:27,333
Speaker 2: who are lining up behind that statement. I don't mean

946
01:07:27,373 --> 01:07:33,373
Speaker 2: literally that statement literally, but with that approach, and would

947
01:07:33,373 --> 01:07:35,853
Speaker 2: you this gives me the chance, right at the end

948
01:07:35,893 --> 01:07:38,853
Speaker 2: here to ask a question, because you just raised them

949
01:07:39,133 --> 01:07:42,253
Speaker 2: Bill Gates. If I were to say that Bill Gates

950
01:07:42,293 --> 01:07:43,733
Speaker 2: is evil, you'd say.

951
01:07:44,613 --> 01:07:48,893
Speaker 3: I am certainly not going to stand in his defense. Okay,

952
01:07:49,373 --> 01:07:55,453
Speaker 3: But Bill Gates is so well protected and so distant

953
01:07:55,773 --> 01:08:00,373
Speaker 3: from you how this all actually works. What I encourage

954
01:08:00,653 --> 01:08:05,813
Speaker 3: people to do is do what you can with the

955
01:08:06,013 --> 01:08:11,493
Speaker 3: people who are going to actually directly impact your life.

956
01:08:11,733 --> 01:08:15,973
Speaker 3: Bill Gates is not going to convince your child to

957
01:08:16,013 --> 01:08:21,093
Speaker 3: get a vaccine or other treatments. Okay, your local doctor,

958
01:08:21,213 --> 01:08:28,693
Speaker 3: your local police officer, your local you know, businessman, merchant, friends, family, whatever.

959
01:08:29,573 --> 01:08:32,693
Speaker 3: The rubber hits the road. Not because Bill Gates knocks

960
01:08:32,733 --> 01:08:35,013
Speaker 3: on your door and has some goon who wants to

961
01:08:35,053 --> 01:08:40,293
Speaker 3: inject you. Is because it's your local officials who listen

962
01:08:40,453 --> 01:08:44,773
Speaker 3: to authority that has an agenda that is not for

963
01:08:44,853 --> 01:08:49,573
Speaker 3: your benefit. So I generally stay away from discussions of

964
01:08:49,653 --> 01:08:55,373
Speaker 3: people like Fauci and Bill Gates, because what really is

965
01:08:55,413 --> 01:09:01,053
Speaker 3: the issue is your relationship with your family, your friends,

966
01:09:01,253 --> 01:09:04,173
Speaker 3: your neighbors, people you work with, people you may go

967
01:09:04,213 --> 01:09:09,213
Speaker 3: to school with, or or you know anyone at whatever church,

968
01:09:09,533 --> 01:09:14,533
Speaker 3: or you know faith you have. We all can help

969
01:09:15,613 --> 01:09:21,053
Speaker 3: educate everyone around us, because it's the people closest to

970
01:09:21,133 --> 01:09:26,853
Speaker 3: you that just violated you over the last five years.

971
01:09:27,173 --> 01:09:30,533
Speaker 3: And they do it because they, you know, say, oh,

972
01:09:30,613 --> 01:09:34,733
Speaker 3: well this authority or that authority said so. And if

973
01:09:34,733 --> 01:09:41,493
Speaker 3: they're going to continue to blindly obey lies, the problem

974
01:09:41,573 --> 01:09:45,053
Speaker 3: is going to continue. My job is to try to

975
01:09:45,093 --> 01:09:49,373
Speaker 3: put evidence and make it available to people so that

976
01:09:49,413 --> 01:09:55,493
Speaker 3: they can then learn enough to have a discussion with somebody,

977
01:09:55,893 --> 01:10:00,613
Speaker 3: and not try to convince them. Find the people who

978
01:10:00,733 --> 01:10:05,013
Speaker 3: want to learn and help them learn. The people who

979
01:10:05,053 --> 01:10:08,053
Speaker 3: don't want to know, You have to watch out for

980
01:10:08,133 --> 01:10:11,133
Speaker 3: them in every way, shape or form, whether they're a doctor,

981
01:10:11,213 --> 01:10:15,893
Speaker 3: a lawyer, a politician, or your spouse or your children

982
01:10:16,053 --> 01:10:20,093
Speaker 3: or your neighbor. People who are unwilling to learn are

983
01:10:20,213 --> 01:10:21,053
Speaker 3: the problem.

984
01:10:21,373 --> 01:10:24,333
Speaker 2: So I have whenever I say this is the final question,

985
01:10:24,493 --> 01:10:28,333
Speaker 2: I invariably come up with tools read more. So I've

986
01:10:28,333 --> 01:10:31,253
Speaker 2: got I've got two final questions. If you had a

987
01:10:31,293 --> 01:10:33,893
Speaker 2: heart attack today, what would you do.

988
01:10:35,973 --> 01:10:37,573
Speaker 3: I don't plan on having a heart attack. I don't

989
01:10:37,653 --> 01:10:42,733
Speaker 3: entertain the notion. You know, if there are many things

990
01:10:42,853 --> 01:10:47,813
Speaker 3: I don't get into describing health treatments. Okay, when you

991
01:10:48,093 --> 01:10:54,813
Speaker 3: understand that the term heart attack is not as properly

992
01:10:54,853 --> 01:10:59,253
Speaker 3: defined as you might think it is, and that the

993
01:10:59,333 --> 01:11:06,093
Speaker 3: statistics around all of that are so broken. Obviously, you

994
01:11:06,133 --> 01:11:10,013
Speaker 3: know when it's a person's time to it's their time

995
01:11:10,173 --> 01:11:15,413
Speaker 3: to die, and so I have written extensively on quite

996
01:11:15,413 --> 01:11:19,973
Speaker 3: a lot of things. The issue really is to understand

997
01:11:20,733 --> 01:11:26,293
Speaker 3: that if that is your concern, if you have a

998
01:11:26,413 --> 01:11:30,693
Speaker 3: problem that you're concerned about, you better learn about it

999
01:11:30,733 --> 01:11:34,333
Speaker 3: in advance. And so, yes, anybody can have an accident,

1000
01:11:34,413 --> 01:11:38,813
Speaker 3: anybody can have a health issue. That's an explanation that

1001
01:11:38,933 --> 01:11:43,613
Speaker 3: requires not an hour long program or a quick one

1002
01:11:43,653 --> 01:11:48,133
Speaker 3: word answer. What would you do? You have to change

1003
01:11:48,173 --> 01:11:51,773
Speaker 3: how you think about the entire thing so that you

1004
01:11:52,013 --> 01:11:56,493
Speaker 3: avoid the problems, not just with drugs or chemicals or

1005
01:11:56,493 --> 01:11:59,773
Speaker 3: herbs or vitamins or minerals, but in the manner in

1006
01:11:59,813 --> 01:12:03,413
Speaker 3: which you understand the holistic nature that gets you there

1007
01:12:03,413 --> 01:12:06,773
Speaker 3: in the first place. Now, I know some people may say, oh,

1008
01:12:06,933 --> 01:12:12,693
Speaker 3: you know, he's avoiding the Well, the question is what

1009
01:12:12,773 --> 01:12:16,653
Speaker 3: is it that you're doing on a daily basis to

1010
01:12:16,893 --> 01:12:21,253
Speaker 3: improve your health optimize your health so that something like

1011
01:12:21,413 --> 01:12:25,653
Speaker 3: those types of problems is such a remote, distant possibility

1012
01:12:26,013 --> 01:12:30,973
Speaker 3: you don't even entertain the idea The problem is we're

1013
01:12:31,213 --> 01:12:35,653
Speaker 3: taught oh this happened to you randomly, you know, out

1014
01:12:35,693 --> 01:12:38,773
Speaker 3: of thin air, nothing you could do about it. What

1015
01:12:38,853 --> 01:12:40,533
Speaker 3: drug are you going to take or what orb are

1016
01:12:40,533 --> 01:12:45,533
Speaker 3: you going to apply that idea? The question is the

1017
01:12:45,573 --> 01:12:49,413
Speaker 3: wrong question. The right question is how do we build

1018
01:12:49,413 --> 01:12:53,973
Speaker 3: a structure to teach people how to optimize their health

1019
01:12:54,613 --> 01:12:59,093
Speaker 3: so that they're living vibrantly. And that's a you know,

1020
01:12:59,493 --> 01:13:01,173
Speaker 3: happy to talk to you for days about that one.

1021
01:13:02,933 --> 01:13:07,093
Speaker 2: Very good. So the final question is this. We had

1022
01:13:07,133 --> 01:13:13,333
Speaker 2: this discussion before we rolled, and I asked you this question, Joel,

1023
01:13:13,413 --> 01:13:16,653
Speaker 2: now asking ask you again, albeit that I know the answer.

1024
01:13:18,253 --> 01:13:20,893
Speaker 2: What are your qualifications? Oh?

1025
01:13:20,933 --> 01:13:26,093
Speaker 3: I have absolutely none. I went to school back in

1026
01:13:26,093 --> 01:13:29,293
Speaker 3: the late seventies and early eighties. I studied computer science

1027
01:13:29,733 --> 01:13:33,853
Speaker 3: before people had computers. I dropped out of an Ivy

1028
01:13:33,933 --> 01:13:36,333
Speaker 3: League school because I realized I was being lied to.

1029
01:13:36,973 --> 01:13:40,333
Speaker 3: I spent fifteen years working as a carpenter of renovating

1030
01:13:40,333 --> 01:13:44,413
Speaker 3: old homes in New England. Moved out to California, I

1031
01:13:44,453 --> 01:13:49,133
Speaker 3: think about twenty eight years ago now, and managed a

1032
01:13:49,173 --> 01:13:52,213
Speaker 3: couple of mom and pop urb and nutrition stores for

1033
01:13:52,293 --> 01:13:56,573
Speaker 3: about fifteen years. Wrote a couple of books related to that,

1034
01:13:57,053 --> 01:14:02,453
Speaker 3: but I learned that the types of things that people

1035
01:14:02,693 --> 01:14:06,773
Speaker 3: can do to heal and heal themselves if they get

1036
01:14:06,813 --> 01:14:09,493
Speaker 3: out of balance or maintained on so that they don't

1037
01:14:09,733 --> 01:14:15,533
Speaker 3: become ill, are so vast. It's astonishing that anybody would

1038
01:14:15,613 --> 01:14:19,333
Speaker 3: ever have their first response, Oh, I got to ask

1039
01:14:19,453 --> 01:14:22,213
Speaker 3: my doctor. Okay, I got to go to the pharmacy

1040
01:14:22,253 --> 01:14:24,693
Speaker 3: and take a drug or get a surgery or whatever.

1041
01:14:25,333 --> 01:14:28,893
Speaker 3: I have seen miracles happen under my own hands and

1042
01:14:29,293 --> 01:14:34,013
Speaker 3: done by other people as well. It makes your medical

1043
01:14:34,173 --> 01:14:38,093
Speaker 3: professional look like a butcher when you understand, you know,

1044
01:14:38,173 --> 01:14:41,453
Speaker 3: the Star Trek level technology that's out there that you're

1045
01:14:41,573 --> 01:14:45,053
Speaker 3: not being told exists. I should have said it a

1046
01:14:45,053 --> 01:14:48,933
Speaker 3: minute ago. I have another domain that people can go

1047
01:14:49,013 --> 01:14:52,773
Speaker 3: to to get additional information. If you go to the

1048
01:14:52,973 --> 01:14:57,133
Speaker 3: Complete Guide to Health dot com The Complete Guide to

1049
01:14:57,173 --> 01:15:00,733
Speaker 3: Health dot Com, you'll get deeper insight into what we're

1050
01:15:00,773 --> 01:15:06,693
Speaker 3: talking about here. Going to a doctor to get a poison,

1051
01:15:07,093 --> 01:15:13,373
Speaker 3: either to swallow or be injected, maybe in certain circumstances

1052
01:15:13,373 --> 01:15:17,413
Speaker 3: when you are so far out of balance, having a

1053
01:15:17,493 --> 01:15:20,293
Speaker 3: poison to distract your body from the problem at hand

1054
01:15:20,973 --> 01:15:24,853
Speaker 3: might be helpful. But if you've allowed yourself to get there,

1055
01:15:25,213 --> 01:15:26,973
Speaker 3: you've already made so many mistakes.

1056
01:15:27,013 --> 01:15:30,453
Speaker 2: It's mind log way ed. It's been fascinating talking with you.

1057
01:15:30,733 --> 01:15:32,773
Speaker 3: I have to say, well, thank you, thank you for

1058
01:15:32,813 --> 01:15:35,013
Speaker 3: having me, and look forward to doing it again. One

1059
01:15:35,373 --> 01:15:38,253
Speaker 3: last thing that I always do is I give everyone

1060
01:15:38,333 --> 01:15:41,693
Speaker 3: my phone number. I'm in California, so you may have

1061
01:15:41,733 --> 01:15:44,493
Speaker 3: to use you know, appropriate country code, or you can

1062
01:15:44,493 --> 01:15:48,533
Speaker 3: connect with me on signal or telegram or WhatsApp or

1063
01:15:48,533 --> 01:15:51,413
Speaker 3: text message or whatever. But here in the United States,

1064
01:15:51,453 --> 01:15:55,253
Speaker 3: in California, my phone number is three one zero six

1065
01:15:55,413 --> 01:15:59,013
Speaker 3: one nine three zero five to five. If you have

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: see your health professional. Farmer broker Auckland. Layton Smith now

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Speaker 2: the male room for podcast two hundred and seventy four,

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Speaker 2: and this is producer has just arrived. You're looking good, Layton.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 4: Ready to go.

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01:17:37,693 --> 01:17:39,973
Speaker 2: The very strong rumor going around though that you're tired.

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01:17:40,773 --> 01:17:42,853
Speaker 4: Well, I don't know where that room has come from.

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01:17:43,013 --> 01:17:44,133
Speaker 4: I'm perky, is anything.

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01:17:44,173 --> 01:17:47,093
Speaker 2: I think it's a tribal thing. Anyway, if you're so perky,

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01:17:47,173 --> 01:17:47,733
Speaker 2: go for your life.

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01:17:47,733 --> 01:17:52,653
Speaker 4: Everybody's tired at the moment. Leydon Paul says. George Friedman

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01:17:52,773 --> 01:17:57,413
Speaker 4: has consistently risen above the noise of legacy media sensationalism

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01:17:57,573 --> 01:18:01,453
Speaker 4: in his forecasting business. He and the excellent team at

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01:18:01,493 --> 01:18:06,213
Speaker 4: Geopolitical futures and his past creation of stratfor have provided

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01:18:06,253 --> 01:18:08,973
Speaker 4: me with the best analysis of the geopol called Big

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01:18:09,013 --> 01:18:13,293
Speaker 4: Picture bar none for many years. Why do I regularly

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01:18:13,413 --> 01:18:17,293
Speaker 4: parrot this point in my communications with you? My simple

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01:18:17,333 --> 01:18:21,213
Speaker 4: answer is that George and co. Have been correct almost always.

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Speaker 4: Thanks again Layton for introducing me to him. Another worthy

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Speaker 4: commentator who regularly appears on the podcast as Murial Newman.

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01:18:30,013 --> 01:18:33,013
Speaker 4: She has a deep understanding of threats to democracy that

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01:18:33,173 --> 01:18:37,813
Speaker 4: are entrenched in New Zealand's domestic political machinations. If you

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01:18:37,813 --> 01:18:40,213
Speaker 4: have a child attending a university in New Zealand, I

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01:18:40,413 --> 01:18:44,293
Speaker 4: encourage you to direct said child to listen to podcast

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01:18:44,493 --> 01:18:51,453
Speaker 4: to seventy two. Good luck with that, says I from experience,

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01:18:51,973 --> 01:18:53,013
Speaker 4: and that was from Paul Later.

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Speaker 2: Well appreciate it greatly. Thank you. This one is slightly dated.

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01:18:58,453 --> 01:19:00,853
Speaker 2: It's sort of out of place now, but I am

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01:19:01,133 --> 01:19:05,613
Speaker 2: going to read it for a reason. Steve. Steve wrote,

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01:19:05,893 --> 01:19:08,333
Speaker 2: I'm hoping you can't wait to get back on air

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01:19:08,613 --> 01:19:11,613
Speaker 2: and give us your two cents worth. Hard to believe

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01:19:11,653 --> 01:19:15,053
Speaker 2: this is written on five for February. Hard to believe

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01:19:15,293 --> 01:19:18,773
Speaker 2: that so much good in Brackets has happened over the

1117
01:19:18,853 --> 01:19:22,453
Speaker 2: last two or three weeks unbelievable talk about a new broom.

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01:19:22,653 --> 01:19:26,533
Speaker 2: It's more like a pioneer approach, slash and burn and replant.

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01:19:27,773 --> 01:19:29,573
Speaker 2: I am sure that most of your audience is waiting

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01:19:29,573 --> 01:19:33,533
Speaker 2: breathlessly for the latent take, mainly because I suspect that

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01:19:33,573 --> 01:19:37,293
Speaker 2: you're as breathless as the rest of us. Happy New

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01:19:37,333 --> 01:19:39,773
Speaker 2: Year and cheers. I afflicted him a note at the time,

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Speaker 2: and I said, I think you'll be pretty pleased with

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01:19:42,973 --> 01:19:45,533
Speaker 2: the interview in the first which was a couple of

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Speaker 2: days after this, after he wrote this with mister Jones,

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01:19:48,773 --> 01:19:51,413
Speaker 2: I haven't had a reply. I have no idea whether

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01:19:51,413 --> 01:19:52,333
Speaker 2: RE enjoyed it or not.

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Speaker 4: Leydon pat says, I would like to say how much

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01:19:56,613 --> 01:20:00,053
Speaker 4: I enjoyed your talk with Dr Muriel Newman. Enjoyed may

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01:20:00,093 --> 01:20:03,213
Speaker 4: not be the right adjective, as her content is frightening.

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01:20:03,613 --> 01:20:06,613
Speaker 4: I subscribed to her weekly emails, but to hear her

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01:20:06,693 --> 01:20:09,333
Speaker 4: explaining everything as she did on your show was even

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01:20:09,413 --> 01:20:12,613
Speaker 4: more enlightening. What is wrong with our government that they

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01:20:12,613 --> 01:20:15,333
Speaker 4: don't stand up to the Supreme Court judges on such

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01:20:15,373 --> 01:20:19,053
Speaker 4: critical matters. I agree Luxon has been weak, and it's

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01:20:19,093 --> 01:20:24,213
Speaker 4: mainly the likes of Peters and Shane Jones that show responsibility. Incidentally,

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01:20:24,253 --> 01:20:27,333
Speaker 4: I enjoyed your podcast with Shane Jones. His command of

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01:20:27,373 --> 01:20:31,133
Speaker 4: English is outstanding and his desire to dig in mine

1139
01:20:31,173 --> 01:20:33,253
Speaker 4: would help us get the country out of the mess

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01:20:33,253 --> 01:20:36,573
Speaker 4: we're in. As Dr Muriel said, Lord help us of

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01:20:36,613 --> 01:20:39,093
Speaker 4: the other mob get him keep up the good work.

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Speaker 4: And that's from Patrick.

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01:20:40,573 --> 01:20:44,333
Speaker 2: Now from John, he says, I'm glad you're back. But

1144
01:20:44,573 --> 01:20:47,453
Speaker 2: what a couple of contrasts. Shane Jones full of hype

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01:20:47,453 --> 01:20:50,773
Speaker 2: and great ideas, then Muriel Newman, sounding as jolly as

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Speaker 2: an undertaker. Now I mention of why we can the

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01:20:55,093 --> 01:20:58,413
Speaker 2: Privy Council. It started when Margaret Wilson appeared there for

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01:20:58,773 --> 01:21:03,093
Speaker 2: the Crown. It was a mary Land's case. One of

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01:21:03,133 --> 01:21:07,973
Speaker 2: their lordships questioned the Mary Claimant Parties Council something like this,

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01:21:09,093 --> 01:21:12,333
Speaker 2: So if you think that you're a Mary, you can

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01:21:12,373 --> 01:21:16,493
Speaker 2: be a Mary, Yes, your lordship. And if you are

1152
01:21:16,533 --> 01:21:19,933
Speaker 2: a Mary, you can claim any land that could belong

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01:21:20,013 --> 01:21:24,773
Speaker 2: to Mary. Yes, your Lordship, then I'm a Mariy was

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01:21:24,813 --> 01:21:29,093
Speaker 2: the best and most ominous response, to which Margaret Wilson

1155
01:21:29,493 --> 01:21:33,293
Speaker 2: sat stony faced, with no input into the humor around her.

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01:21:33,973 --> 01:21:38,333
Speaker 2: That case was understandably lost by the claimants immediately on

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01:21:38,373 --> 01:21:42,093
Speaker 2: her return, steps were taken to commence the process to

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01:21:42,093 --> 01:21:45,613
Speaker 2: deprive us of the greatest legal minds in the world.

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01:21:46,213 --> 01:21:50,093
Speaker 2: And there you have it. Regards John John, I didn't

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01:21:50,373 --> 01:21:53,253
Speaker 2: I was completely unaware of what you tell us with

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01:21:53,293 --> 01:21:57,293
Speaker 2: regard to the interchange, and I'd love to know your source.

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01:21:58,093 --> 01:22:02,173
Speaker 2: In the meantime, I have to stand uncommitted as to

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01:22:02,213 --> 01:22:05,093
Speaker 2: its accuracy, not because I don't believe you, but because

1164
01:22:05,133 --> 01:22:08,253
Speaker 2: I haven't seen any evidence. So if you can source me,

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01:22:09,573 --> 01:22:11,813
Speaker 2: I'd be very appreciative of it. In fact, I'd like

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01:22:11,853 --> 01:22:13,573
Speaker 2: to read more about it. Thank you.

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01:22:15,213 --> 01:22:18,533
Speaker 4: Laden Alan writes to you and lets you know that

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01:22:18,533 --> 01:22:21,933
Speaker 4: two of his books are back on Amazon, and I

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01:22:21,973 --> 01:22:24,893
Speaker 4: guess you will have read that, And then he goes

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01:22:24,893 --> 01:22:27,933
Speaker 4: on to say, as the US have now removed itself

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01:22:27,933 --> 01:22:31,893
Speaker 4: from the Paris Accord, rendering sixty plus percent of all

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01:22:31,973 --> 01:22:36,773
Speaker 4: greenhouse gas mitten nations for instance China, Russia, India, and

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01:22:36,813 --> 01:22:41,093
Speaker 4: now the USA canceled from that original arrangement. I think

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01:22:41,093 --> 01:22:43,613
Speaker 4: it might be relevant for you to remind your listeners

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01:22:43,613 --> 01:22:47,413
Speaker 4: of this reality and that they can get understandable information

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01:22:47,493 --> 01:22:50,493
Speaker 4: of just why that void with the Paris Accord has occurred.

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01:22:50,853 --> 01:22:55,693
Speaker 4: For instance, Earth's atmosphere is saturated with greenhouse gases, so

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01:22:55,813 --> 01:22:59,533
Speaker 4: nothing is achieved by the emissions targets set by that

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01:22:59,653 --> 01:23:02,973
Speaker 4: international accord for twenty thirty five and twenty fifty.

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Speaker 5: And Alan goes on to you a bit more personal stuff.

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01:23:06,453 --> 01:23:07,933
Speaker 5: So that's from.

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01:23:08,333 --> 01:23:12,613
Speaker 2: Allan Trotter, one of the three authors of a couple

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01:23:12,613 --> 01:23:18,533
Speaker 2: of very good books. I received this from Chris from Canberra.

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01:23:19,893 --> 01:23:22,973
Speaker 2: I enjoy getting mailed from Canberra. I spent two years

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01:23:22,973 --> 01:23:25,453
Speaker 2: of my life there, felt like ten, but I believe

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01:23:25,453 --> 01:23:27,853
Speaker 2: it's much better than now. In fact, we must go

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01:23:27,933 --> 01:23:30,813
Speaker 2: visit Canberra sometime, must we? Well, I could show you

1188
01:23:30,813 --> 01:23:34,733
Speaker 2: were about my first house or something along fascinating. Further

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01:23:34,813 --> 01:23:37,133
Speaker 2: to my email on the twenty seventh of February, I

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01:23:37,173 --> 01:23:41,733
Speaker 2: suggest you read Chris Alman's article in the Weekend Australian

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01:23:42,093 --> 01:23:45,533
Speaker 2: for a far bleaker picture of Australia's defense pasture than

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01:23:45,573 --> 01:23:48,813
Speaker 2: the one I presented in my email. Chris has got

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01:23:48,813 --> 01:23:51,733
Speaker 2: a bit of inside the information. I actually responded to

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01:23:51,773 --> 01:23:55,013
Speaker 2: him and said, thanks Chris, I read it this morning,

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01:23:55,053 --> 01:23:58,213
Speaker 2: so this was Saturday. I read it this morning. Dire

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01:23:58,373 --> 01:24:04,693
Speaker 2: Straits wasn't just a band cute the two countries are

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01:24:04,773 --> 01:24:07,733
Speaker 2: running a parallel. When you take it into account the

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Speaker 2: size in the population et tetra, the two countries are

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Speaker 2: running pretty much a parallel. In taking a dive.

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Speaker 4: Layton Jin says, I watched the heated exchange between Trump

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Speaker 4: and Zelensky in the Oval Office, which was surprisingly entertaining,

1202
01:24:23,093 --> 01:24:26,453
Speaker 4: to say the least. As the news and online chatter

1203
01:24:26,533 --> 01:24:28,773
Speaker 4: lit up on the Internet, I began to realize that

1204
01:24:28,893 --> 01:24:32,933
Speaker 4: first world Western audiences tend to misunderstand both Trump and

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01:24:33,013 --> 01:24:37,693
Speaker 4: Zolensky because they both shatter our expectations of them two

1206
01:24:37,933 --> 01:24:40,453
Speaker 4: understand them. We need to stop seeing these two as

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01:24:40,493 --> 01:24:44,573
Speaker 4: typical politicians and start looking at them as willing actors

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01:24:44,613 --> 01:24:47,453
Speaker 4: arising from the brokenness of the people that they govern.

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01:24:48,293 --> 01:24:51,693
Speaker 4: George Friedman's analysis that Trump has a very high IQ

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01:24:52,013 --> 01:24:56,453
Speaker 4: and a damaged personality is equally applicable to Zelensky. You

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01:24:56,493 --> 01:25:01,293
Speaker 4: don't get through Hollywood without some form of deranged personality. Surprisingly,

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01:25:01,493 --> 01:25:04,573
Speaker 4: Trump and Zelensky are more alike than most people.

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01:25:04,253 --> 01:25:05,653
Speaker 2: Would like to admit.

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Speaker 4: Firstly, both of them were successful actors. Trump owned his

1215
01:25:09,973 --> 01:25:12,733
Speaker 4: acting skills as The Boss and his hit TV show

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01:25:12,773 --> 01:25:17,533
Speaker 4: The Apprentice, while Zelensky acted as the Ukrainian Prime minister

1217
01:25:17,613 --> 01:25:22,453
Speaker 4: in the hit Ukrainian TV series Servants of the People. Secondly,

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01:25:22,493 --> 01:25:27,653
Speaker 4: both of them are cunning negotiators. Trump shrewdly negotiated billion

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Speaker 4: dollar deals for his building empire, while Zolensky charmed billions

1220
01:25:31,933 --> 01:25:37,253
Speaker 4: off the clueless Biden administration. Thirdly, they both achieved results

1221
01:25:37,293 --> 01:25:44,333
Speaker 4: through unpredictability, Trump's highly Trump's highly publicized clash with Zelenski

1222
01:25:44,933 --> 01:25:48,693
Speaker 4: achieved his greater goal of saving American dollars by getting

1223
01:25:48,733 --> 01:25:52,853
Speaker 4: the Europeans to pay for their own and Ukraine's military defenses.

1224
01:25:53,773 --> 01:25:57,333
Speaker 4: Zelensky used his very same clash with Trump to achieve

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Speaker 4: his greater goal of obtaining billions from Europe. We are

1226
01:26:01,173 --> 01:26:04,413
Speaker 4: not watching two politicians duking it out. We are watching

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01:26:04,493 --> 01:26:08,253
Speaker 4: two actors attempting to outperform each other. My worry that

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01:26:08,853 --> 01:26:12,293
Speaker 4: countries like China, North Korea and Iraq handing out the

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01:26:12,293 --> 01:26:14,533
Speaker 4: popcorn while we remain distracted.

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Speaker 2: That's from Jim and following that very soon after, just

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01:26:21,493 --> 01:26:24,373
Speaker 2: after I sent my email to you, which features the

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01:26:24,413 --> 01:26:28,893
Speaker 2: well articulated contrarian view of James Allen on the Russia

1233
01:26:28,973 --> 01:26:32,453
Speaker 2: Ukraine War. I feel that we can't believe most things

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01:26:32,453 --> 01:26:36,253
Speaker 2: we read or here nowadays, so a lot of mainstream

1235
01:26:36,293 --> 01:26:42,693
Speaker 2: media are spreading lies, rumors, and opinions rather than facts. Anyway,

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01:26:42,813 --> 01:26:45,693
Speaker 2: I have this very long letter that was left over

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01:26:45,733 --> 01:26:49,093
Speaker 2: from last week because I couldn't read it, and I

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01:26:49,173 --> 01:26:51,533
Speaker 2: now have it in readable form, and so I'm going

1239
01:26:51,573 --> 01:26:53,613
Speaker 2: to pass it on. This is about the state of

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01:26:53,653 --> 01:26:56,973
Speaker 2: New Zealand. It's interesting. Make sure you listen. Coming up next,

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01:26:57,333 --> 01:26:58,893
Speaker 2: missus producer, will see you next week.

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01:26:59,053 --> 01:27:14,093
Speaker 5: Thanks lady.

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01:27:15,093 --> 01:27:17,733
Speaker 2: Now, this is the letter that I didn't read last

1244
01:27:17,733 --> 01:27:21,013
Speaker 2: week because I couldn't. I can't describe to you what

1245
01:27:21,013 --> 01:27:24,133
Speaker 2: the page looked like when I printed it. It's a

1246
01:27:24,173 --> 01:27:26,893
Speaker 2: long letter, and he apologizes for it. But the reason

1247
01:27:26,933 --> 01:27:29,613
Speaker 2: I want to read it is because I'm always interested

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01:27:29,653 --> 01:27:34,093
Speaker 2: in other people's opinions, other people specifically who have never

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01:27:34,133 --> 01:27:37,773
Speaker 2: lived here all their life like I haven't, people who

1250
01:27:37,813 --> 01:27:39,933
Speaker 2: have come from other places, or have been out of

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01:27:39,933 --> 01:27:42,653
Speaker 2: the country a long time, or different experiences, and their

1252
01:27:42,693 --> 01:27:46,573
Speaker 2: reaction to New Zealand today. And that's exactly what this

1253
01:27:46,693 --> 01:27:52,533
Speaker 2: letter provides. In redoing it into a legible presentation, because

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01:27:52,573 --> 01:27:54,733
Speaker 2: the first one I couldn't read. He's done a very

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01:27:54,733 --> 01:27:58,973
Speaker 2: good job, double spaced a different type and starts this way, oh,

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01:27:59,013 --> 01:28:01,653
Speaker 2: and requests that I don't mention his name. I don't

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01:28:01,693 --> 01:28:06,133
Speaker 2: know why, but I'll honor the request. Sorry, this is

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01:28:06,133 --> 01:28:08,213
Speaker 2: a bit long, and I'm not very good at writing,

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01:28:08,493 --> 01:28:10,373
Speaker 2: so it may seem like a bit of a ramble.

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01:28:10,493 --> 01:28:12,413
Speaker 2: I enjoy listening to you every week, and even though

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01:28:12,413 --> 01:28:16,733
Speaker 2: sometimes I feel more depressed about our situation than before,

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01:28:17,493 --> 01:28:21,493
Speaker 2: depending who you are talking to. On the face of it,

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01:28:21,853 --> 01:28:24,173
Speaker 2: New Zealand has a lot going for it. It has

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01:28:24,253 --> 01:28:27,813
Speaker 2: a good climate on the whole. People are friendly. The

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01:28:27,853 --> 01:28:31,613
Speaker 2: population is small and spread out, meaning it's easy to

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01:28:31,613 --> 01:28:34,333
Speaker 2: get away from it all. We have beaches and mountains

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01:28:34,333 --> 01:28:37,333
Speaker 2: and national parks that people come from all over the

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01:28:37,373 --> 01:28:40,413
Speaker 2: world to see. It's a place where you can almost

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01:28:40,453 --> 01:28:43,893
Speaker 2: take yourself back in time for a slower pace of life,

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01:28:44,133 --> 01:28:46,453
Speaker 2: with all the same modern convenience as the rest of

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01:28:46,493 --> 01:28:50,493
Speaker 2: the world has at a slower pace. What's not to like?

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01:28:51,573 --> 01:28:54,493
Speaker 2: I came to New Zealand in nineteen ninety five, age sixteen,

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01:28:54,613 --> 01:28:57,933
Speaker 2: from the UK when my family moved out here. At

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01:28:57,973 --> 01:29:00,533
Speaker 2: that age, I was starting to see the world around

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Speaker 2: me and could tell the differences between the two places.

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01:29:04,653 --> 01:29:07,693
Speaker 2: After being here a few months, it started to become

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01:29:07,773 --> 01:29:10,653
Speaker 2: clear to me that New Zealand had a big problem.

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01:29:11,013 --> 01:29:13,493
Speaker 2: It's a country with the population of a medium sized

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01:29:13,533 --> 01:29:17,293
Speaker 2: city that acts like it has ten times the population.

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Speaker 2: Our politicians continue to play on this, with grand plans

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01:29:22,133 --> 01:29:26,333
Speaker 2: being touted constantly but never coming to fruition. The short

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01:29:26,333 --> 01:29:29,333
Speaker 2: election cycle, whilst meaning we can get rid of a

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01:29:29,373 --> 01:29:33,213
Speaker 2: bad government after three years, seems fine in theory, but

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01:29:33,253 --> 01:29:36,013
Speaker 2: it also means that in a three year term there

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01:29:36,093 --> 01:29:39,533
Speaker 2: is really only one year to make anything happen. The

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01:29:39,573 --> 01:29:41,973
Speaker 2: first year is spent getting a handle on the issues

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Speaker 2: as they see it once they get hold of the books.

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Speaker 2: The second year is when things can actually be done,

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01:29:49,053 --> 01:29:54,573
Speaker 2: but the third year everything goes into election mode. In reality,

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01:29:54,733 --> 01:29:57,933
Speaker 2: nothing meaningful can get off the ground in one year,

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01:29:58,173 --> 01:30:01,613
Speaker 2: meaning that most of the time they're just playing around

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Speaker 2: at the edges and nothing meaningful ever gets done. The

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01:30:05,733 --> 01:30:08,013
Speaker 2: majority of what has been done over the last thirty

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01:30:08,093 --> 01:30:12,853
Speaker 2: years has been social engineering and over spending, particularly by

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Speaker 2: labor led governments. There is a reluctance, especially from national

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01:30:17,613 --> 01:30:22,333
Speaker 2: led governments, to wind back any of the social engineering programs.

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01:30:23,013 --> 01:30:26,213
Speaker 2: The population gets used to having a government that throws

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01:30:26,253 --> 01:30:29,893
Speaker 2: money around. Taking money from people is not a vote winner,

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Speaker 2: particularly when it's marketed as free. Working for families and other.

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01:30:34,973 --> 01:30:38,493
Speaker 2: Tax credits are the perfect example of this. Instead of

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01:30:38,533 --> 01:30:41,653
Speaker 2: giving people their tax money back, how about not taking

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01:30:41,653 --> 01:30:44,933
Speaker 2: it off them in the first place. These schemes increase

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01:30:45,093 --> 01:30:49,213
Speaker 2: permanent Wellington, our deep state. The system is designed intentionally

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01:30:49,293 --> 01:30:54,293
Speaker 2: to grow like a cancer. Every scheme needs more administration,

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01:30:54,453 --> 01:30:57,173
Speaker 2: more people, and more money. We continue to pour money

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Speaker 2: into Wellington with nothing to show for it. The priority

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01:31:00,413 --> 01:31:04,173
Speaker 2: of our government, regardless of which party leads it should

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01:31:04,253 --> 01:31:08,333
Speaker 2: be the taxpayer. We continue pouring money into social life

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01:31:08,493 --> 01:31:12,173
Speaker 2: and environmental issues at the behest of the un which

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01:31:12,213 --> 01:31:16,293
Speaker 2: we really cannot afford. This money goes offshore and does

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01:31:16,333 --> 01:31:18,893
Speaker 2: not benefit the population of New Zealand. A lot of

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01:31:18,893 --> 01:31:22,133
Speaker 2: the population are not educated enough to see that they

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01:31:22,133 --> 01:31:26,013
Speaker 2: are being sucked dry by the system. Now this boils

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01:31:26,053 --> 01:31:30,933
Speaker 2: down to education and media. At school and university, people

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01:31:30,933 --> 01:31:33,773
Speaker 2: are told what to think, not how to think, and

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01:31:33,893 --> 01:31:36,973
Speaker 2: our legacy media reinforces this twenty four hours a day,

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Speaker 2: seven days a week. It's hard to turn this around.

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01:31:40,733 --> 01:31:43,213
Speaker 2: It has taken forty or fifty years to get to

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Speaker 2: this point. It'll take at least that for the population

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01:31:46,253 --> 01:31:50,533
Speaker 2: to develop another point of view, our population is spread out,

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01:31:50,853 --> 01:31:54,093
Speaker 2: meaning that we need more hospitals, schools, roads, power lines,

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01:31:54,173 --> 01:31:59,333
Speaker 2: water pipes, etc. Per person than other places. As a

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01:31:59,373 --> 01:32:02,613
Speaker 2: result of this, we've ended up with very high rates

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01:32:02,613 --> 01:32:06,733
Speaker 2: of taxation to pay for our infrastructure, yet our infrastructure

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01:32:07,213 --> 01:32:10,893
Speaker 2: is still years behind. There was next to no pre

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01:32:10,973 --> 01:32:15,893
Speaker 2: planning done to extend our infrastructure, and as the population increased,

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01:32:16,453 --> 01:32:19,693
Speaker 2: the land for infrastructure had houses built of it. Any

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01:32:19,733 --> 01:32:24,893
Speaker 2: infrastructure we now need to build becomes expensive and time consuming.

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01:32:25,773 --> 01:32:28,293
Speaker 2: Nobody wants to give up their house or have things

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01:32:28,293 --> 01:32:30,893
Speaker 2: built in their backyard, and the process gets held up

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01:32:30,893 --> 01:32:34,253
Speaker 2: for years. And the process gets held up for years

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01:32:34,333 --> 01:32:39,253
Speaker 2: in consenting and litigation, increasing the costs exponentially. The cheapest

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01:32:39,253 --> 01:32:43,613
Speaker 2: time to build is now, always has been, always will be.

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01:32:43,853 --> 01:32:46,893
Speaker 2: Any delay adds costs. This is before we get to

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01:32:46,933 --> 01:32:51,293
Speaker 2: the wastage of consultants and communications for projects that ultimately

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01:32:52,053 --> 01:32:55,453
Speaker 2: never go ahead. We have a lack of skilled people

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Speaker 2: to build and manage our infrastructure, which is a failure

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01:32:58,613 --> 01:33:01,693
Speaker 2: of our education system, so we import people to do

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01:33:01,773 --> 01:33:05,453
Speaker 2: these jobs. These people add to the population and put

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01:33:05,493 --> 01:33:09,093
Speaker 2: more pressure on our infrastructure. The answer for this should

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01:33:09,133 --> 01:33:11,693
Speaker 2: be to fix our system to produce our own people,

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01:33:12,053 --> 01:33:15,533
Speaker 2: but instead we just import them because it's easier and

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01:33:15,573 --> 01:33:19,733
Speaker 2: get further behind with our infrastructure. We're sitting on plenty

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01:33:19,773 --> 01:33:22,373
Speaker 2: of natural resources, but we're not getting them out of

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01:33:22,413 --> 01:33:25,333
Speaker 2: the ground. We don't even need to do this ourselves.

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01:33:25,533 --> 01:33:28,653
Speaker 2: The rights to these can be sold off for a royalty,

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Speaker 2: giving us access to the resource and money. Importing oil,

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01:33:34,213 --> 01:33:38,053
Speaker 2: gas and coal when we have plenty of it is lunacy.

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01:33:38,453 --> 01:33:40,573
Speaker 2: We should be able to generate enough powder to never

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01:33:40,653 --> 01:33:43,253
Speaker 2: have to worry, but I can't record a new power

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01:33:43,293 --> 01:33:46,813
Speaker 2: station coming online for the past thirty years. We all

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01:33:46,853 --> 01:33:52,253
Speaker 2: know that another drain on our taxpayers is the Mari issue.

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01:33:52,293 --> 01:33:56,493
Speaker 2: This has been talked about at length since forever. Everyone

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01:33:56,573 --> 01:33:59,373
Speaker 2: knows the issues and there's no point dredging them up.

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01:33:59,613 --> 01:34:02,133
Speaker 2: But needless to say, the tap needs to be turned

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01:34:02,173 --> 01:34:04,613
Speaker 2: off before we end up in the same state South

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01:34:04,653 --> 01:34:08,613
Speaker 2: Africa finds itself in. Of course, there is more, but

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01:34:08,733 --> 01:34:12,613
Speaker 2: all of this leads to one thing, a constantly increasing

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01:34:12,693 --> 01:34:16,333
Speaker 2: cost of living. We're always hearing about having a low

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Speaker 2: wage economy and comparing us to Australia, but it's more

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01:34:20,013 --> 01:34:23,893
Speaker 2: complicated than that. We rely heavily on imported goods, through

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01:34:23,933 --> 01:34:27,293
Speaker 2: our modern lifestyle. Due to our location and small market,

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01:34:27,413 --> 01:34:30,773
Speaker 2: shipping costs make up a larger percentage of the product

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01:34:30,853 --> 01:34:35,813
Speaker 2: value than they would in Australia. Goods that we manufacturer

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01:34:36,053 --> 01:34:40,333
Speaker 2: are expensive due to labor and energy costs. Materials for

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01:34:40,413 --> 01:34:44,653
Speaker 2: goods we manufacturer are also imported and more expensive than

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01:34:44,653 --> 01:34:47,893
Speaker 2: they would be else elsewhere. The more we pay people

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01:34:47,933 --> 01:34:51,453
Speaker 2: to produce products locally, the more expensive they'll be, and

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01:34:51,533 --> 01:34:54,653
Speaker 2: the end user is the one that pays, increasing the

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Speaker 2: cost of living and perpetuating the cycle. This leads to

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Speaker 2: the final question, is there a way out of this?

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Speaker 2: To me? Says the author, There is no political will

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01:35:06,653 --> 01:35:10,173
Speaker 2: to change the status grow. The politicians and bureaucrats around

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01:35:10,213 --> 01:35:12,813
Speaker 2: them are doing just fine and have no reason to

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01:35:12,853 --> 01:35:16,613
Speaker 2: push for change. There is no alternative politician, Alah Donald

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01:35:16,653 --> 01:35:20,973
Speaker 2: Trump who can shake up our system. Is there any hope?

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01:35:21,613 --> 01:35:25,453
Speaker 2: Maybe the tide is turning in the USA, but it'll

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01:35:25,493 --> 01:35:28,333
Speaker 2: take more than four years of Trump. The biggest hope

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Speaker 2: I have for the Trump administration is that JD. Vance

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Speaker 2: will become the forty eighth president and continue for another

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Speaker 2: eight years. Then maybe some changes will stick. Whatever happens

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01:35:39,853 --> 01:35:42,613
Speaker 2: in America will ultimately happen in the rest of the West.

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01:35:43,093 --> 01:35:46,693
Speaker 2: The upcoming elections in Germany and Canada will be interesting

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01:35:47,173 --> 01:35:50,933
Speaker 2: and will point to where the world is headed. As ever,

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01:35:51,853 --> 01:35:54,813
Speaker 2: it will probably take another ten to twenty years before

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01:35:54,813 --> 01:35:57,493
Speaker 2: things reach New Zealand. The only thing that will speed

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01:35:57,533 --> 01:36:00,533
Speaker 2: it up will be Australia turning. That's if there is

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Speaker 2: any one productive left in New Zealand by then. Well,

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Speaker 2: although it was where reading and I'd be interested in

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Speaker 2: your opinion on things that were said in that letter,

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Speaker 2: but that will take us out for podcast number two

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Speaker 2: hundred and seventy four. If you'd like to correspond with

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Speaker 2: us Latent at newstalksib dot co dot nz or Carolyn

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Speaker 2: at newstalksib dot co dot nz. As always, we love

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Speaker 2: getting your getting email, so I will leave you in

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Speaker 2: a world of some turmoil at the moment. Watch this

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Speaker 2: space carefully. We'll be back with two seventy five in

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Speaker 2: a few days of course. Until then, as always, thank

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Speaker 2: you for listening and we shall talk soon.

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