1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,720 Speaker 1: More reported from the Ministerial Advisory Group on Organized Crime, 2 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:05,280 Speaker 1: So this time they're calling for more effective data sharing. Essentially, 3 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:08,719 Speaker 1: the constraints around information sharing is hindering government agencies in 4 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:11,240 Speaker 1: responding to organized crime. Where have we heard that before? 5 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: Steve Simon is the chair of the Ministerial Advisory Group, 6 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: of course, and his back with us. Steve, morning to you, 7 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: Good morning mate. That whole sharing of information thing. I've 8 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: been dealing with that for four decades in the media 9 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 1: every time there's a report out somebody is not talking 10 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 1: to somebody else. Has any Has that surprised you and 11 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 1: has anything changed? 12 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:33,880 Speaker 2: No, it hasn't surprised me. Much like yourself. I think 13 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 2: I've been a prosecutor for twenty years and I think 14 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 2: it's been the bane of our existence that entire time. 15 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:43,200 Speaker 2: If anything, I think it's probably got worse as government 16 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 2: agencies have become more siloed and have become more risk adverse. 17 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 1: So is it attitude, is it the law therefore you're 18 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 1: not allowed to or is it technical or all of that? 19 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 2: It's all of it. I think it starts though, with culture. Mike. 20 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 2: I think your point of it's been this consistent problem 21 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 2: over the years, and I think that's what that's driving, 22 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 2: is this culture of if I don't share, I can't 23 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:09,039 Speaker 2: get I won't get in trouble. If I do share, 24 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:11,479 Speaker 2: I might get in trouble. So you can see which 25 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 2: option people are usually choosing. 26 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 1: So you're talking about privacy settings when it comes to 27 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:18,120 Speaker 1: sharing of information and stuff. Are we a bit freaked 28 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: out about privacy settings? Does the government have a real 29 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 1: issue around this or do we need to make some 30 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:24,039 Speaker 1: sort of bold step if we want to get serious 31 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 1: about what you're looking at. 32 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 2: I think we need to take bold steps if we 33 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:31,759 Speaker 2: want to tackle organize crime. What we're seeing is organized 34 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 2: crime is just that it's organized. It is using technology, 35 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:41,119 Speaker 2: it is using untraceable apps, it's using big data. It's 36 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 2: doing things we are not, and we need to have 37 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 2: a conversation. Yes, we are keen to balance the rights 38 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 2: to privacy, but we also need to balance that against 39 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 2: our need to tackle this organized crime problem before it 40 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 2: gets worse. 41 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: Indeed, are you getting good feedback from the government. Are 42 00:01:57,320 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: you seeing some results of your work so far? 43 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 2: Yes, we are. I mean we're seeing a huge amount 44 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 2: of support from the government agencies we've been speaking to. 45 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 2: Whether that be Police and Corrections and Customs and all 46 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 2: of those big agencies. This work they'll work about sharing 47 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 2: of information is probably the least sexy part of the 48 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 2: work that we're doing, but it's probably some of the 49 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 2: most important stuff because it's taking the information that is 50 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 2: already available to law enforcement but making sure it gets 51 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 2: the right place to be used lawfully to target organised crime. 52 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 1: Good stuff, Keep up the good work and we'll talk again. 53 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 1: Certain Steve Simon, share of the Ministerial Advisory Group on 54 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 1: Organized Crime. 55 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 2: For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to 56 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 2: news talks it'd be from six am weekdays, or follow 57 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 2: the podcast on iHeartRadio.