WEBVTT - Greg Pain: Exercise gadgets are a no-go 0:00:05.761 --> 0:00:09.681 You're listening to the Weekend Collective podcast from News Talk SEDB. 0:00:10.361 --> 0:00:15.081 Oh my goodness, what is this horrendous music? I think 0:00:15.081 --> 0:00:17.201 this is something about South African rugby. By the way, 0:00:17.321 --> 0:00:19.361 Tim Beverage, if you've just joined us, this is the 0:00:19.361 --> 0:00:22.041 week in collective of the Health Hub. This is the 0:00:22.201 --> 0:00:24.481 this is is this a song about the Boka? My 0:00:24.641 --> 0:00:27.961 producer who well we won't name her, well, let's just 0:00:27.961 --> 0:00:31.921 call her Tyra Roberts. She's she is does have some 0:00:31.961 --> 0:00:36.201 South African connections, and her parents have some South have 0:00:36.281 --> 0:00:40.761 some Springbok connections actually, and so she's kind of insufferable 0:00:41.361 --> 0:00:44.121 right now because she's said she wanted to play a 0:00:44.121 --> 0:00:48.201 little song just just to celebrate their great victory. You 0:00:48.241 --> 0:00:51.761 can text your feedback on nine to two on what 0:00:51.961 --> 0:00:54.961 side we should play if we beat the next week. Anyway, 0:00:55.041 --> 0:00:58.081 but look a shout out to Celestine voter, who probably 0:00:58.241 --> 0:01:01.361 really enjoyed that result. I didn't really particularly much, to 0:01:01.361 --> 0:01:03.441 be honest, but I loved the fact that I've got 0:01:03.441 --> 0:01:06.041 my passion back for the all Blacks. So anyway, hey, 0:01:06.081 --> 0:01:07.881 by the way, let's get on with it, shall we. 0:01:08.081 --> 0:01:11.361 This is the Health Happen in the studio. I would say, 0:01:11.401 --> 0:01:13.881 he's sort of a superstar when it comes to buy mechanics. 0:01:14.801 --> 0:01:17.361 He's well known to the news talks. He'd be audience 0:01:17.441 --> 0:01:19.761 by now, I'd say, and his name is Greek Pain, 0:01:20.041 --> 0:01:20.801 a Greek. Here you going. 0:01:21.361 --> 0:01:23.121 Thank you for having me, I think. I think there's 0:01:23.121 --> 0:01:25.041 probably only about three of us in the entire country, 0:01:25.081 --> 0:01:26.721 so it's pretty easy to be a superstar when you 0:01:26.761 --> 0:01:27.081 want to be. 0:01:28.681 --> 0:01:29.481 One of the top three. 0:01:29.561 --> 0:01:31.201 There aren't that many around to do what I do, 0:01:31.321 --> 0:01:33.361 so that makes it a little easier. But thank you 0:01:33.401 --> 0:01:36.801 for having me. I appreciate the stunning intro, and I 0:01:37.041 --> 0:01:39.441 was I felt like a celebrity. When I was down 0:01:39.481 --> 0:01:41.681 skiing a few weeks ago. There there's two guys were 0:01:41.721 --> 0:01:43.561 chatting and they're like, are you that guy Greeg from 0:01:43.601 --> 0:01:45.281 news Talks? There'd be from BioSport, And it was the 0:01:45.321 --> 0:01:47.881 first time I've ever been recognized, So really, I felt 0:01:47.881 --> 0:01:49.521 like everything had just come together. 0:01:49.841 --> 0:01:52.481 Was that because they recognized your your voice or did 0:01:52.481 --> 0:01:54.641 you say how I'm Greg Pain from news talks. 0:01:54.761 --> 0:01:57.721 Well, they started asking they started asking questions about the 0:01:57.761 --> 0:02:00.041 kayaking at the Olympics, and then we're making some sort 0:02:00.081 --> 0:02:02.881 of slightly incorrect assumptions as to what. 0:02:03.001 --> 0:02:05.921 Was Was this just a general conversation. They didn't know 0:02:05.961 --> 0:02:06.721 your connection at all? 0:02:06.761 --> 0:02:10.161 No, no, no, no, you had a chairlift and full faced 0:02:10.161 --> 0:02:13.001 Bella Claver. It was cold as and these two guys 0:02:13.001 --> 0:02:15.081 start talking about, you know, the kayaking coming up and 0:02:15.081 --> 0:02:17.281 what's going to happen, and one of them said something 0:02:17.281 --> 0:02:19.881 that I disagreed with, and I'm when you're part of 0:02:19.881 --> 0:02:22.121 a team like this, you you pride yourself and keeping 0:02:22.281 --> 0:02:23.681 your head down and you do the work. You don't 0:02:23.681 --> 0:02:25.401 really stick your neck out. But this time I thought, no, 0:02:25.481 --> 0:02:28.081 hang away, you're a little bit wrongly mate. 0:02:28.121 --> 0:02:28.921 He said, how do you know that? 0:02:28.961 --> 0:02:30.841 And I said, I've been part of Lisa's team for 0:02:30.881 --> 0:02:34.241 the last sort of four campaigns. Boo far you that 0:02:34.321 --> 0:02:36.161 guy Greg from the radio and you leave forward and 0:02:36.161 --> 0:02:38.361 struck my hand. I felt like a celebrity. That was 0:02:38.361 --> 0:02:41.641 my fifteenth one, probably eight minutes of Captain's cheer time 0:02:41.681 --> 0:02:42.641 that I'm a celebrity. 0:02:42.801 --> 0:02:44.481 And when he said it, when I look, everyone knows this, 0:02:44.721 --> 0:02:47.161 but you went with Lisa Carrington. But when you been 0:02:47.201 --> 0:02:48.921 part of Lisa's team for a while, just. 0:02:48.841 --> 0:02:49.361 A little throw. 0:02:49.521 --> 0:02:52.281 You just dropped that one and they're like, oops. 0:02:51.921 --> 0:02:53.881 Still still the greatest pride I have. 0:02:54.041 --> 0:02:57.201 So yeah, actually you actually we haven't really caught up 0:02:57.241 --> 0:03:01.241 since that amazing victory from from our kayakers anyway, But 0:03:01.841 --> 0:03:03.961 wasn't it just the most You must have been bursting 0:03:04.001 --> 0:03:04.881 with an emotion. 0:03:05.161 --> 0:03:08.441 Say, I have never ever watching Olympics. I mean, I 0:03:08.441 --> 0:03:10.441 grew up as a sailor. I've worked with Tim New Zealand, 0:03:10.441 --> 0:03:12.761 I've got lots of other athletes that have done very, 0:03:12.841 --> 0:03:15.761 very well. I have never been so emotionally involved in 0:03:15.801 --> 0:03:19.081 a campaign. All three of those women's races in particular, 0:03:19.161 --> 0:03:22.041 I was I was a blithering wreck, to be fair, 0:03:22.321 --> 0:03:24.961 and that K four wind for me, was one of 0:03:25.041 --> 0:03:26.961 the greatest things I think I've ever witnessed as far 0:03:27.001 --> 0:03:30.081 as where the girls have come from and where. 0:03:29.881 --> 0:03:32.481 They got to. That was that was just a So when. 0:03:32.401 --> 0:03:34.201 They crossed the line in the first place, you're sitting 0:03:34.241 --> 0:03:36.801 it back and you're sitting back in Mission Bay on 0:03:36.841 --> 0:03:39.241 your on your couch. Are you just sitting there in 0:03:39.361 --> 0:03:42.241 whe a box of tissues and a blubbering mess or what? 0:03:42.641 --> 0:03:43.801 I slept through my alarm? 0:03:44.161 --> 0:03:48.761 Oh no, I set my alarm to get up, okay, 0:03:48.801 --> 0:03:51.361 and I woke up to the news, but I did 0:03:51.401 --> 0:03:53.041 not go to sleep. I stayed up to watch the 0:03:53.081 --> 0:03:54.641 Key two and the Key one, the K one. I 0:03:54.761 --> 0:03:56.881 was shaking and there was there I was holding back 0:03:56.921 --> 0:03:57.321 the tears. 0:03:57.321 --> 0:04:00.561 That was so big, fantastic. Well it was. It was 0:04:00.641 --> 0:04:02.801 amazing and I think it's something we can all be 0:04:02.881 --> 0:04:04.761 very proud of. But hey, by the way, how was 0:04:04.761 --> 0:04:07.601 the snow amazing? Was this just recent? This is obviously 0:04:07.641 --> 0:04:08.001 just recently. 0:04:08.081 --> 0:04:10.881 Few weeks ago, we took the kids out of school 0:04:10.961 --> 0:04:13.841 and they were had COVID and inverted comers for the week, 0:04:13.881 --> 0:04:15.881 and so we had a week done it. 0:04:15.801 --> 0:04:18.961 One you realize this is national radio here. You've just 0:04:19.041 --> 0:04:20.481 you've just outed your kids for. 0:04:22.081 --> 0:04:24.561 It wasn't We had a great trip and it's life lessons. 0:04:25.161 --> 0:04:28.081 When you are skiing as a biomechanist, does that mean 0:04:28.161 --> 0:04:30.081 you have to be really rock solid on your technique? 0:04:30.121 --> 0:04:32.001 Or if I saw your skiing, I'd be like, my goodness, me, 0:04:32.121 --> 0:04:34.761 don't don't show in the video on this technique. 0:04:34.241 --> 0:04:38.441 I ski it on my own quite a lot, and 0:04:39.041 --> 0:04:41.041 it's like any sport for me. When I'm doing something 0:04:41.041 --> 0:04:42.841 like that, I spend a lot of time thinking about 0:04:42.841 --> 0:04:45.881 my technique and trying to just make those positive changes. 0:04:46.161 --> 0:04:46.361 Yeah. 0:04:46.641 --> 0:04:50.201 So you not the most social thing for me sometimes. 0:04:50.321 --> 0:04:54.481 Okay, good good on you. Hey, Now look we're talking 0:04:54.481 --> 0:04:58.161 about well a couple of things. They sort of overlap 0:04:58.201 --> 0:05:01.801 in a way. But the first question that came to 0:05:01.801 --> 0:05:02.961 mind when I was going to get you on was 0:05:03.001 --> 0:05:06.121 just talking because you if you're dealing with top athletes. 0:05:06.161 --> 0:05:09.121 But of course all these issues around fitness and performance 0:05:09.441 --> 0:05:11.201 doesn't matter what level you're at. You don't. You can 0:05:11.241 --> 0:05:12.721 either be a Olympic athlete or you can be someone 0:05:12.721 --> 0:05:15.241 who's going for their first or second you know, jog, 0:05:15.481 --> 0:05:21.921 so to speak. But the question around fatigue versus maybe 0:05:22.001 --> 0:05:24.241 exhaustion is the same thing. We can get quotum semantics, 0:05:24.521 --> 0:05:27.201 but simply you know, obviously you put yourself when you 0:05:27.241 --> 0:05:31.361 exercise under a level of stress. But when when is 0:05:32.361 --> 0:05:35.481 fatigue a bad thing? Are there different because there would 0:05:35.481 --> 0:05:38.241 be different types. When you listen, you've pushed yourself so far, 0:05:38.641 --> 0:05:39.361 you've got to stop. 0:05:40.121 --> 0:05:43.001 So everything that we do, whether you're talking about what 0:05:43.041 --> 0:05:45.041 I do as a biomechanist or what a coach does 0:05:45.801 --> 0:05:49.321 and other sort of sports specific practitioners, everything that we 0:05:49.401 --> 0:05:53.001 are doing, technically speaking, is trying to quote unquote delay 0:05:53.041 --> 0:05:56.921 the onset of fatigue now we know that fatigue has 0:05:57.201 --> 0:06:03.721 a negative effect on us physiologically, psychologically, biomechanically, neuromuscularly, cardio 0:06:03.801 --> 0:06:06.121 all these sorts of things. Everything that we're trying to do, 0:06:07.841 --> 0:06:11.281 particularly in a competitive environment, is delay the onset of fatigue. 0:06:11.361 --> 0:06:12.961 Now, a coach, on the. 0:06:12.921 --> 0:06:16.081 Other hand, when they are training an athlete, they are 0:06:16.081 --> 0:06:19.561 trying to push them well within the sorry outside of 0:06:19.561 --> 0:06:22.601 the limits of fatigue in order to get a physiological adaptation, 0:06:22.801 --> 0:06:26.041 like they're trying to get a positive change. 0:06:25.641 --> 0:06:28.201 But particularly if. 0:06:28.121 --> 0:06:30.321 You're coming back from injury, like if you've if you've 0:06:30.521 --> 0:06:33.761 had something that's chronic or a recurring movement specific issue, 0:06:33.801 --> 0:06:36.721 you want to avoid fatigue from my perspective, because we 0:06:36.801 --> 0:06:39.161 know it changes. If we're talking about running is the 0:06:39.161 --> 0:06:43.121 most obvious example. We know that fatigue changes pretty much 0:06:43.241 --> 0:06:47.441 every single one of your biomechanical variables, like whether you're overstriding, 0:06:47.521 --> 0:06:50.361 or your cadence or your league stiffness. So if you 0:06:50.401 --> 0:06:53.961 can stay away from fatigue, you're allowed to you can 0:06:54.201 --> 0:06:58.001 continue to move in a healthy manner in order to 0:06:58.041 --> 0:07:02.041 get physiological adaptation with a reduced risk of injury. 0:07:01.801 --> 0:07:03.961 Because fatigue is when you get injured as well. Isn't it. 0:07:04.001 --> 0:07:06.921 I mean, if you everything starts losing its sort of balance, 0:07:07.001 --> 0:07:11.201 if you have pushed yourself that when you're tired. You know, 0:07:11.241 --> 0:07:12.841 and this is a bit of a heart You may 0:07:12.881 --> 0:07:15.361 be doing a hell climb or whatever. That's one thing, 0:07:15.401 --> 0:07:17.241 but that's just muscles that are tired. But when they 0:07:17.241 --> 0:07:20.241 are fatigued, I would imagine that that's when things can 0:07:20.281 --> 0:07:22.401 get out of whack. One muscle's not maybe doing the 0:07:22.441 --> 0:07:24.961 job that the other muscles depends it depends on it doing. 0:07:25.001 --> 0:07:27.081 And then before you night bingo, you're in trouble. 0:07:27.161 --> 0:07:29.761 Yeah, so sort of what I was saying before, when 0:07:29.801 --> 0:07:33.001 you are fatigued, so injuries can typically occur because of 0:07:33.081 --> 0:07:37.001 one inherent faulty movement pattern. So let's just say, as 0:07:37.001 --> 0:07:41.161 a runner, you're not fatigued, but you have this specific weakness, 0:07:41.201 --> 0:07:43.441 say in your butt muscles or your lateral hip or 0:07:43.481 --> 0:07:45.561 whatever it is, and you have this more, you have 0:07:45.641 --> 0:07:48.681 this what we would call an inappropriate movement pattern that 0:07:48.721 --> 0:07:51.041 in itself, over time can lead to fatigue. Sorry, it 0:07:51.041 --> 0:07:53.241 can lead to injury. But if you are in a 0:07:53.281 --> 0:07:57.001 fatigued state, and as I said before, it's called your biomechanical, 0:07:57.081 --> 0:08:01.361 your kinematic variables, which is things like leag stiffness and 0:08:01.481 --> 0:08:03.561 tibular acceleration and all these sorts of things. We know 0:08:03.641 --> 0:08:07.881 that as soon as you hit fatigue, all those variables 0:08:07.921 --> 0:08:10.001 get worse, and that is when we start to see 0:08:10.001 --> 0:08:11.441 an increased likelihood of injury. 0:08:12.001 --> 0:08:14.921 Are there particular signs that your body is in a 0:08:14.961 --> 0:08:18.401 state of exhaustion or fatigue that is no longer just look, 0:08:18.481 --> 0:08:21.761 this is good. You push yourself, You're fine, as opposed 0:08:21.801 --> 0:08:25.161 to listen you need to you're just going too hard. 0:08:25.561 --> 0:08:30.201 So if you are new to a particular sport and 0:08:30.241 --> 0:08:34.001 you don't have good feel or if you don't have 0:08:34.081 --> 0:08:37.921 a tendency of using, say a wearable device, it can 0:08:37.961 --> 0:08:42.961 be harder to pick up the key indicators that will 0:08:43.081 --> 0:08:48.041 push you into fatigue. So I was listening to a 0:08:48.081 --> 0:08:50.601 podcast with one of the world's top long distance triathletes 0:08:50.641 --> 0:08:52.721 the other day, and he's a problem. So he's one 0:08:52.721 --> 0:08:54.721 of the big german guys, and he knows what are 0:08:54.721 --> 0:08:57.041 the key things that he does wrong when he's running. 0:08:57.281 --> 0:08:59.481 And so when he is running and when he's starting 0:08:59.481 --> 0:09:02.961 to feel that pinch of fatigue, he is constantly scanning 0:09:02.961 --> 0:09:05.601 the way that he runs, trying to correct those movement 0:09:05.681 --> 0:09:09.521 variables which he knows will affect this performance. Now, if 0:09:09.561 --> 0:09:12.761 you have a tendency of using it, if you use 0:09:12.801 --> 0:09:16.401 a device such as a garment or a particularly like 0:09:16.401 --> 0:09:18.441 a heart rate strap, all these sorts of things that 0:09:18.561 --> 0:09:21.521 gives you really really good feedback, so you can start 0:09:21.561 --> 0:09:23.361 to see on your watch or whatever it is that 0:09:23.401 --> 0:09:26.921 you're using, you can start to see the effects of fatigue, 0:09:27.241 --> 0:09:29.841 and particularly when you look at when you've looked at 0:09:29.881 --> 0:09:33.561 your data after your training event or your race or 0:09:33.601 --> 0:09:35.841 whatever it is, if you've got a good eye, you 0:09:35.841 --> 0:09:38.481 can actually see your point of fatigue, and over time 0:09:38.521 --> 0:09:40.241 you can try and push that further down the path. 0:09:40.481 --> 0:09:42.561 You've jumped topics for me already, because that was my 0:09:42.641 --> 0:09:44.721 other side of the conversation, and you did say that 0:09:44.761 --> 0:09:46.481 the two go hand in hand, but it was about 0:09:47.001 --> 0:09:50.921 exercising with gadgets and are they you know, are they 0:09:50.961 --> 0:09:53.361 good or or not. But actually, just before we get 0:09:53.361 --> 0:09:57.801 onto that, what's you know, we've all well maybe we 0:09:57.841 --> 0:10:01.361 haven't all seen it, but probably the triathlons and marathons. 0:10:01.401 --> 0:10:03.681 Probably triathlons are the one we've all seen the person 0:10:03.761 --> 0:10:07.281 staggering across the line as if they can't even they 0:10:07.281 --> 0:10:10.001 can't stand up straight. Sometimes they've even lost I've seen 0:10:10.401 --> 0:10:12.321 when they've lost control of their bows and everything. Yes, 0:10:12.681 --> 0:10:15.561 I mean are they just knacker? Are they really in 0:10:15.641 --> 0:10:18.161 danger of doing some long lasting damage when they're in 0:10:18.161 --> 0:10:19.481 that state of exhaustion. 0:10:19.681 --> 0:10:21.841 I'm not sure about long lasting damage because they would 0:10:21.841 --> 0:10:23.601 be inn the leite athlete, and so therefore they would 0:10:23.601 --> 0:10:25.881 have a medical team around them that can assess and 0:10:25.961 --> 0:10:28.201 make sure that they are okay. And those sorts of events, 0:10:28.241 --> 0:10:29.921 they do have medical teams. They can put them on 0:10:29.921 --> 0:10:33.521 a drip and that sort of thing. But a lot 0:10:33.561 --> 0:10:36.521 of people in training, just regular age groupers as we'll 0:10:36.561 --> 0:10:40.161 call them, do have a bit of a tendency of 0:10:41.041 --> 0:10:44.201 pushing themselves too far, thinking that they are making a 0:10:44.281 --> 0:10:49.321 positive difference to their training, but that in itself can 0:10:49.441 --> 0:10:53.761 lead to problems. So this is where devices can be. Okay, Now, 0:10:53.841 --> 0:10:55.041 devices have pros and cons. 0:10:55.081 --> 0:10:57.241 Well, let's get it. Let's get into the devices, because 0:10:57.601 --> 0:10:59.961 I'll tell you. I'll actually read out the questions I'd 0:10:59.961 --> 0:11:02.321 written down just from my own lay point of view. 0:11:03.121 --> 0:11:05.401 The first was should you actually be tracking your with 0:11:05.481 --> 0:11:09.681 smart watches and apps? Or are these are they just 0:11:10.481 --> 0:11:12.641 acute toy it's like, oh, look how many steps I 0:11:12.641 --> 0:11:15.001 did in my run, Look how far I went? Who cares? 0:11:15.121 --> 0:11:17.481 I mean, I don't run with anything apart from the time, 0:11:18.481 --> 0:11:21.961 And as you were talking about how gadgets can help 0:11:22.001 --> 0:11:24.761 you sort of work out, maybe there'd be a way 0:11:24.761 --> 0:11:26.961 of me realizing that I'm being a bit of a slacker. 0:11:27.361 --> 0:11:28.881 So the thing is is that if you go for 0:11:28.881 --> 0:11:31.361 a lot, let's just say, whether you're being coached or 0:11:31.401 --> 0:11:33.761 whether you've got some sort of plan that you're running to, 0:11:34.441 --> 0:11:37.441 the improvements that you will see over time are very 0:11:37.521 --> 0:11:41.281 very gradual. So if you and also if you have 0:11:41.401 --> 0:11:44.721 a a rating of perceived exertion, if you have an 0:11:44.721 --> 0:11:47.241 opinion as to how hard you've trained and how good 0:11:47.241 --> 0:11:52.561 you feel, that may not accurately reflect the physiological data 0:11:52.801 --> 0:11:55.681 that a device can provide. Now, if you say I 0:11:55.681 --> 0:11:58.601 mean I recommend people, you say Strava or there's a 0:11:58.681 --> 0:12:01.881 number of different what Strava. So Strata is basically a 0:12:01.921 --> 0:12:05.361 social platform. And when I say social media can have 0:12:05.441 --> 0:12:07.921 it so that it's completely private and it's completely free 0:12:07.921 --> 0:12:09.801 and no one sees it, or you can have it 0:12:09.801 --> 0:12:11.841 in more of a social setting where your friends can 0:12:11.881 --> 0:12:16.041 see what you're doing. And Strata allows you to track 0:12:16.281 --> 0:12:19.681 some of that or all of those sort of variables 0:12:19.721 --> 0:12:22.881 over time. So if you're if you're training for say 0:12:23.001 --> 0:12:26.161 a marathon or a half marathon, whatever, your first ten k, 0:12:27.121 --> 0:12:30.121 the first few runs might feel pretty average, but over 0:12:30.361 --> 0:12:32.921 time you can start to see the improvements, and you 0:12:32.961 --> 0:12:35.081 can see it in a very data specific way. 0:12:35.121 --> 0:12:38.001 So Strava is something that you are sinking the data 0:12:38.041 --> 0:12:40.041 from your wall, you watch or something so you don't 0:12:40.041 --> 0:12:42.081 have to take a phone with you. No, No, not at all, No, 0:12:42.241 --> 0:12:45.321 because that's part. I mean, it's a funny one because 0:12:45.361 --> 0:12:47.441 to me, I sort of when I go for a runner, look, 0:12:47.481 --> 0:12:49.881 I want to have your feedback as well. If you 0:12:50.001 --> 0:12:54.201 are someone who's into the exercise, whether it be swimming, running, hiking, whatever. Obviously, 0:12:54.201 --> 0:12:56.561 if you're an exercise class, that's all being dictated for you. 0:12:56.961 --> 0:13:00.201 But are you using a device and if so, because 0:13:00.201 --> 0:13:02.161 there is the other side to it is that I 0:13:02.241 --> 0:13:04.721 just sort of think that because some people go for 0:13:04.761 --> 0:13:07.521 an and they're listening to music or a gadget all 0:13:07.521 --> 0:13:10.881 the time. And I think there are two reasons I 0:13:10.881 --> 0:13:15.041 think that's a bad idea. One is it only takes 0:13:15.081 --> 0:13:17.081 one moment of an attention when you're crossing the road 0:13:17.121 --> 0:13:19.121 to your favorite tune to get hit by a bus 0:13:19.161 --> 0:13:22.721 for sure. But secondly, I don't know. I just it 0:13:22.721 --> 0:13:24.241 doesn't feel like you're focusing. 0:13:24.961 --> 0:13:26.961 You're losing nature a little bit and the feel of 0:13:27.001 --> 0:13:28.121 the situation. 0:13:27.801 --> 0:13:31.921 Focusing on your on your on your body. So it 0:13:32.001 --> 0:13:34.201 don't mean I'm going around in the state of meditation. 0:13:34.321 --> 0:13:38.201 But I'm aware of my breathing patterns. I'm aware of 0:13:38.841 --> 0:13:41.161 I'm thinking more just about how I'm feeling. Maybe I 0:13:41.161 --> 0:13:42.401 should try and ignore it. I don't know. 0:13:42.481 --> 0:13:46.081 The only upside I use people I suggest people to 0:13:46.161 --> 0:13:48.001 run with music is if we're trying to make a 0:13:48.081 --> 0:13:50.401 positive change to their cadence, which is the number of 0:13:50.441 --> 0:13:53.401 footsteps per minute. So if someone's particularly low in their 0:13:53.441 --> 0:13:57.961 cadence and they've gotten good rhythm, you I've actually created it, 0:13:58.001 --> 0:13:59.841 like I'm a bit of Dejai. 0:13:59.921 --> 0:14:01.241 Sort of cadence playlist. 0:14:01.441 --> 0:14:03.921 There's a I've got a number of cadence playlists, and 0:14:03.961 --> 0:14:05.801 you can actually get them on spot as well. So 0:14:05.841 --> 0:14:08.081 if you're really struggling to bed in your technique or 0:14:08.081 --> 0:14:10.881 you're sorry your cadence, you can go on to Spotify 0:14:10.961 --> 0:14:13.441 and look up say one hundred and eighty bpm, and 0:14:13.481 --> 0:14:15.441 the entire playlist will be at one hundred and eighty 0:14:15.441 --> 0:14:20.121 beats per minute. Okay, the downside, the downside to Strive 0:14:20.321 --> 0:14:23.361 sorry to Spotify, though, is that it's not like a 0:14:23.441 --> 0:14:27.001 proper mixed collection of songs, so in between each song 0:14:27.121 --> 0:14:29.401 the rhythm might be slightly out, so that could upset 0:14:29.441 --> 0:14:32.681 your your step camp. But I've actually created at home 0:14:33.281 --> 0:14:35.361 and on my course, and I'm just launching. I'm actually 0:14:35.361 --> 0:14:38.681 adding in about five or six hour long DJ mixes 0:14:38.721 --> 0:14:40.041 that people can run to me. 0:14:40.241 --> 0:14:43.961 Yep, wow ah, look see that's going to really ruin 0:14:44.041 --> 0:14:45.721 me now because I'm thinking I need to do it. 0:14:45.881 --> 0:14:46.481 Sorry, Tim. 0:14:46.521 --> 0:14:49.161 There's a strange expression. Actually, I didn't realize what I 0:14:49.241 --> 0:14:50.961 was when I was saying that I don't run with 0:14:51.081 --> 0:14:54.241 a with a device. So I was chatting to a 0:14:54.241 --> 0:14:56.641 couple of the younger journalists here and they used an 0:14:56.681 --> 0:14:59.321 expression which I understood to be something else. And the 0:14:59.361 --> 0:15:02.721 expression for running without a device is raw dogging. Don't 0:15:02.721 --> 0:15:05.521 look it up because it also means something else, very naughty, 0:15:05.801 --> 0:15:08.721 but apparently it's a young person's thing. It means you're 0:15:08.761 --> 0:15:14.161 going to run without any devices or stimulus. And I 0:15:14.321 --> 0:15:17.321 was shocked because I thought they were talking about something 0:15:17.361 --> 0:15:18.521 that was not safe for work. 0:15:18.721 --> 0:15:20.601 I'm not a proponent of you don't. 0:15:20.401 --> 0:15:21.761 Need to use that expression. I'm not going to mean, 0:15:22.441 --> 0:15:25.441 but that's the expression that they use for going that devices. 0:15:25.481 --> 0:15:29.201 And most young people ave spoken to are shot, not shocked, 0:15:29.281 --> 0:15:31.721 but they are like, what do you mean you run 0:15:31.761 --> 0:15:33.801 without a device? What do you mean you're not listening 0:15:33.841 --> 0:15:35.881 to music? I'm like, what's wrong with you? Can you 0:15:35.921 --> 0:15:38.241 just listen to his sense your own breathing? Anyway, Hey, 0:15:38.441 --> 0:15:40.681 we want to hear from you. Do you rely on 0:15:40.721 --> 0:15:45.561 a device for your workouts and listening to music? Is 0:15:45.561 --> 0:15:47.681 listening to music a good thing? Is that distracting? But also, 0:15:47.721 --> 0:15:50.401 if you've got any questions for Greg Pain, he's a 0:15:50.401 --> 0:15:54.921 biomechanist and he works with some pretty successful athletes. We 0:15:54.961 --> 0:15:56.561 can just put it that way. If you've got any 0:15:56.641 --> 0:16:01.601 questions for him about your exercise regime or patterns of 0:16:01.641 --> 0:16:05.361 exercise or issues you've got. He's not a physios a 0:16:05.361 --> 0:16:07.881 bi mechanist. It's all about the movement. So give us 0:16:07.881 --> 0:16:09.721 a call. We'd love to hear from you on news Talks. 0:16:09.761 --> 0:16:12.841 Here b it's twenty three past four, and welcome back. 0:16:12.841 --> 0:16:15.121 To the wee can collective the health. Aah, that's more 0:16:15.401 --> 0:16:17.561 like it, tire a bit of Billy Joel rather than 0:16:17.561 --> 0:16:22.161 that what was that Boka thing? Dreadful dreadful tune anyway. 0:16:21.961 --> 0:16:23.001 It was definitely a knock on. 0:16:23.641 --> 0:16:27.401 Oh sorry, but yes, sports talk just for three seconds Green. 0:16:27.521 --> 0:16:30.241 That was the first tribe from the box. Was was 0:16:30.241 --> 0:16:31.841 a trivers But it was not one, wasn't it. 0:16:31.841 --> 0:16:34.441 I'm not a rugby for sure. I love watching your blacks. 0:16:34.641 --> 0:16:37.081 I love the physicality and I look at it with 0:16:37.121 --> 0:16:38.441 a clinical eye the whole time. 0:16:38.481 --> 0:16:41.081 And that was a that was a bit of. 0:16:41.001 --> 0:16:42.481 A shower on there. It's a bit of a quiet 0:16:42.481 --> 0:16:43.961 one for the tml on that one, he said in 0:16:43.961 --> 0:16:45.761 the wind. But quiet, never mind, We're going to live 0:16:45.801 --> 0:16:48.521 with it. Cape Town's next. Right, let's take some calls 0:16:48.521 --> 0:16:51.961 about using devices for exercise. Do you rely on them? 0:16:52.121 --> 0:16:54.081 Are they a good idea for you? And we and 0:16:54.121 --> 0:16:55.561 Greg and I are actually going to go through the 0:16:55.601 --> 0:16:57.761 pros and cons because there are some interesting devices you 0:16:57.761 --> 0:16:59.881 can use. There's even this thing called it's not really 0:16:59.881 --> 0:17:03.161 a device, it sounds like a torture device. A sauna jacket, 0:17:03.441 --> 0:17:06.281 which is something when you're exercising you you're all, well, 0:17:06.601 --> 0:17:08.761 I think hot and sweating, hot and sweaty, that's the one, 0:17:09.761 --> 0:17:12.481 and not in a good way necessarily. If there's a 0:17:12.481 --> 0:17:13.721 good way, I don't know. I don't know what I'm 0:17:13.761 --> 0:17:19.761 talking about. Now, let's let's move on. David. Hi, Hey, 0:17:19.841 --> 0:17:20.121 how you. 0:17:20.161 --> 0:17:21.001 Doing good afternoon? 0:17:21.041 --> 0:17:21.961 Guys. 0:17:22.961 --> 0:17:27.601 Hey, yeah, Look, I'm a big proponent of using devices. 0:17:28.161 --> 0:17:31.801 I'll just lay myself there a little bit. I'm I'm, 0:17:32.081 --> 0:17:37.881 I'm attached to a device manufacturer, and we we we 0:17:37.921 --> 0:17:41.481 do have a very good perstration into that high forman 0:17:41.601 --> 0:17:44.481 sports stuff, running marathons, multi events and all of the 0:17:44.601 --> 0:17:49.361 but and look, I use I just just for my 0:17:49.401 --> 0:17:52.521 own personal use. Obviously, I went for King k walk 0:17:52.561 --> 0:17:55.441 this morning, just and you know, I use the music 0:17:56.201 --> 0:17:58.481 part of it for like a metronome for me, you know, 0:17:58.561 --> 0:18:02.041 if I'm wanted to pick the paper perfect, you know, 0:18:02.121 --> 0:18:06.081 I'm I'm you know, I'm using that. But also obviously 0:18:06.681 --> 0:18:10.561 using the devices biometrics for me just seeing what takes 0:18:10.601 --> 0:18:12.561 are going on, whether it be during the day or 0:18:12.601 --> 0:18:16.801 most importantly for me as sleep monitoring, see the quality 0:18:16.801 --> 0:18:20.081 of sleep I'm getting, not necessarily the quantity, but the 0:18:20.201 --> 0:18:22.361 quality of my sleep. I think that's one of the 0:18:23.321 --> 0:18:26.321 in my mind, and I certainly and our brands and 0:18:26.361 --> 0:18:28.801 not mind is one of the most important metrics you can. 0:18:29.121 --> 0:18:31.881 And so so I have a question for you. Then, 0:18:32.361 --> 0:18:35.401 if you are trying to achieve they a certain cadence, 0:18:35.481 --> 0:18:39.081 or you're trying to achieve a certain goal within the 0:18:39.121 --> 0:18:41.201 walk or the run, whatever it is that you're doing, 0:18:41.761 --> 0:18:44.961 if the device was to say, go flat or function 0:18:45.121 --> 0:18:47.841 in some way, do you think you would still have 0:18:47.881 --> 0:18:50.961 the same level of fear relative to achieving what it 0:18:51.041 --> 0:18:53.401 is that you are trying to achieve when the device 0:18:53.521 --> 0:18:56.321 is working. Because this is this is something particularly in 0:18:56.321 --> 0:18:59.321