Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Collective podcast from News Talk SEDB.
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, what is this horrendous music? I think
Speaker 2: this is something about South African rugby. By the way,
Speaker 2: Tim Beverage, if you've just joined us, this is the
Speaker 2: week in collective of the Health Hub. This is the
Speaker 2: this is is this a song about the Boka? My
Speaker 2: producer who well we won't name her, well, let's just
Speaker 2: call her Tyra Roberts. She's she is does have some
Speaker 2: South African connections, and her parents have some South have
Speaker 2: some Springbok connections actually, and so she's kind of insufferable
Speaker 2: right now because she's said she wanted to play a
Speaker 2: little song just just to celebrate their great victory. You
Speaker 2: can text your feedback on nine to two on what
Speaker 2: side we should play if we beat the next week. Anyway,
Speaker 2: but look a shout out to Celestine voter, who probably
Speaker 2: really enjoyed that result. I didn't really particularly much, to
Speaker 2: be honest, but I loved the fact that I've got
Speaker 2: my passion back for the all Blacks. So anyway, hey,
Speaker 2: by the way, let's get on with it, shall we.
Speaker 2: This is the Health Happen in the studio. I would say,
Speaker 2: he's sort of a superstar when it comes to buy mechanics.
Speaker 2: He's well known to the news talks. He'd be audience
Speaker 2: by now, I'd say, and his name is Greek Pain,
Speaker 2: a Greek. Here you going.
Speaker 3: Thank you for having me, I think. I think there's
Speaker 3: probably only about three of us in the entire country,
Speaker 3: so it's pretty easy to be a superstar when you
Speaker 3: want to be.
Speaker 2: One of the top three.
Speaker 3: There aren't that many around to do what I do,
Speaker 3: so that makes it a little easier. But thank you
Speaker 3: for having me. I appreciate the stunning intro, and I
Speaker 3: was I felt like a celebrity. When I was down
Speaker 3: skiing a few weeks ago. There there's two guys were
Speaker 3: chatting and they're like, are you that guy Greeg from
Speaker 3: news Talks? There'd be from BioSport, And it was the
Speaker 3: first time I've ever been recognized, So really, I felt
Speaker 3: like everything had just come together.
Speaker 2: Was that because they recognized your your voice or did
Speaker 2: you say how I'm Greg Pain from news talks.
Speaker 3: Well, they started asking they started asking questions about the
Speaker 3: kayaking at the Olympics, and then we're making some sort
Speaker 3: of slightly incorrect assumptions as to what.
Speaker 2: Was Was this just a general conversation. They didn't know
Speaker 2: your connection at all?
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, you had a chairlift and full faced
Speaker 3: Bella Claver. It was cold as and these two guys
Speaker 3: start talking about, you know, the kayaking coming up and
Speaker 3: what's going to happen, and one of them said something
Speaker 3: that I disagreed with, and I'm when you're part of
Speaker 3: a team like this, you you pride yourself and keeping
Speaker 3: your head down and you do the work. You don't
Speaker 3: really stick your neck out. But this time I thought, no,
Speaker 3: hang away, you're a little bit wrongly mate.
Speaker 4: He said, how do you know that?
Speaker 3: And I said, I've been part of Lisa's team for
Speaker 3: the last sort of four campaigns. Boo far you that
Speaker 3: guy Greg from the radio and you leave forward and
Speaker 3: struck my hand. I felt like a celebrity. That was
Speaker 3: my fifteenth one, probably eight minutes of Captain's cheer time
Speaker 3: that I'm a celebrity.
Speaker 2: And when he said it, when I look, everyone knows this,
Speaker 2: but you went with Lisa Carrington. But when you been
Speaker 2: part of Lisa's team for a while, just.
Speaker 4: A little throw.
Speaker 2: You just dropped that one and they're like, oops.
Speaker 3: Still still the greatest pride I have.
Speaker 2: So yeah, actually you actually we haven't really caught up
Speaker 2: since that amazing victory from from our kayakers anyway, But
Speaker 2: wasn't it just the most You must have been bursting
Speaker 2: with an emotion.
Speaker 3: Say, I have never ever watching Olympics. I mean, I
Speaker 3: grew up as a sailor. I've worked with Tim New Zealand,
Speaker 3: I've got lots of other athletes that have done very,
Speaker 3: very well. I have never been so emotionally involved in
Speaker 3: a campaign. All three of those women's races in particular,
Speaker 3: I was I was a blithering wreck, to be fair,
Speaker 3: and that K four wind for me, was one of
Speaker 3: the greatest things I think I've ever witnessed as far
Speaker 3: as where the girls have come from and where.
Speaker 4: They got to. That was that was just a So when.
Speaker 2: They crossed the line in the first place, you're sitting
Speaker 2: it back and you're sitting back in Mission Bay on
Speaker 2: your on your couch. Are you just sitting there in
Speaker 2: whe a box of tissues and a blubbering mess or what?
Speaker 4: I slept through my alarm?
Speaker 3: Oh no, I set my alarm to get up, okay,
Speaker 3: and I woke up to the news, but I did
Speaker 3: not go to sleep. I stayed up to watch the
Speaker 3: Key two and the Key one, the K one. I
Speaker 3: was shaking and there was there I was holding back
Speaker 3: the tears.
Speaker 2: That was so big, fantastic. Well it was. It was
Speaker 2: amazing and I think it's something we can all be
Speaker 2: very proud of. But hey, by the way, how was
Speaker 2: the snow amazing? Was this just recent? This is obviously
Speaker 2: just recently.
Speaker 3: Few weeks ago, we took the kids out of school
Speaker 3: and they were had COVID and inverted comers for the week,
Speaker 3: and so we had a week done it.
Speaker 2: One you realize this is national radio here. You've just
Speaker 2: you've just outed your kids for.
Speaker 3: It wasn't We had a great trip and it's life lessons.
Speaker 2: When you are skiing as a biomechanist, does that mean
Speaker 2: you have to be really rock solid on your technique?
Speaker 2: Or if I saw your skiing, I'd be like, my goodness, me,
Speaker 2: don't don't show in the video on this technique.
Speaker 3: I ski it on my own quite a lot, and
Speaker 3: it's like any sport for me. When I'm doing something
Speaker 3: like that, I spend a lot of time thinking about
Speaker 3: my technique and trying to just make those positive changes.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So you not the most social thing for me sometimes.
Speaker 2: Okay, good good on you. Hey, Now look we're talking
Speaker 2: about well a couple of things. They sort of overlap
Speaker 2: in a way. But the first question that came to
Speaker 2: mind when I was going to get you on was
Speaker 2: just talking because you if you're dealing with top athletes.
Speaker 2: But of course all these issues around fitness and performance
Speaker 2: doesn't matter what level you're at. You don't. You can
Speaker 2: either be a Olympic athlete or you can be someone
Speaker 2: who's going for their first or second you know, jog,
Speaker 2: so to speak. But the question around fatigue versus maybe
Speaker 2: exhaustion is the same thing. We can get quotum semantics,
Speaker 2: but simply you know, obviously you put yourself when you
Speaker 2: exercise under a level of stress. But when when is
Speaker 2: fatigue a bad thing? Are there different because there would
Speaker 2: be different types. When you listen, you've pushed yourself so far,
Speaker 2: you've got to stop.
Speaker 3: So everything that we do, whether you're talking about what
Speaker 3: I do as a biomechanist or what a coach does
Speaker 3: and other sort of sports specific practitioners, everything that we
Speaker 3: are doing, technically speaking, is trying to quote unquote delay
Speaker 3: the onset of fatigue now we know that fatigue has
Speaker 3: a negative effect on us physiologically, psychologically, biomechanically, neuromuscularly, cardio
Speaker 3: all these sorts of things. Everything that we're trying to do,
Speaker 3: particularly in a competitive environment, is delay the onset of fatigue.
Speaker 4: Now, a coach, on the.
Speaker 3: Other hand, when they are training an athlete, they are
Speaker 3: trying to push them well within the sorry outside of
Speaker 3: the limits of fatigue in order to get a physiological adaptation,
Speaker 3: like they're trying to get a positive change.
Speaker 4: But particularly if.
Speaker 3: You're coming back from injury, like if you've if you've
Speaker 3: had something that's chronic or a recurring movement specific issue,
Speaker 3: you want to avoid fatigue from my perspective, because we
Speaker 3: know it changes. If we're talking about running is the
Speaker 3: most obvious example. We know that fatigue changes pretty much
Speaker 3: every single one of your biomechanical variables, like whether you're overstriding,
Speaker 3: or your cadence or your league stiffness. So if you
Speaker 3: can stay away from fatigue, you're allowed to you can
Speaker 3: continue to move in a healthy manner in order to
Speaker 3: get physiological adaptation with a reduced risk of injury.
Speaker 2: Because fatigue is when you get injured as well. Isn't it.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you everything starts losing its sort of balance,
Speaker 2: if you have pushed yourself that when you're tired. You know,
Speaker 2: and this is a bit of a heart You may
Speaker 2: be doing a hell climb or whatever. That's one thing,
Speaker 2: but that's just muscles that are tired. But when they
Speaker 2: are fatigued, I would imagine that that's when things can
Speaker 2: get out of whack. One muscle's not maybe doing the
Speaker 2: job that the other muscles depends it depends on it doing.
Speaker 2: And then before you night bingo, you're in trouble.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so sort of what I was saying before, when
Speaker 3: you are fatigued, so injuries can typically occur because of
Speaker 3: one inherent faulty movement pattern. So let's just say, as
Speaker 3: a runner, you're not fatigued, but you have this specific weakness,
Speaker 3: say in your butt muscles or your lateral hip or
Speaker 3: whatever it is, and you have this more, you have
Speaker 3: this what we would call an inappropriate movement pattern that
Speaker 3: in itself, over time can lead to fatigue. Sorry, it
Speaker 3: can lead to injury. But if you are in a
Speaker 3: fatigued state, and as I said before, it's called your biomechanical,
Speaker 3: your kinematic variables, which is things like leag stiffness and
Speaker 3: tibular acceleration and all these sorts of things. We know
Speaker 3: that as soon as you hit fatigue, all those variables
Speaker 3: get worse, and that is when we start to see
Speaker 3: an increased likelihood of injury.
Speaker 2: Are there particular signs that your body is in a
Speaker 2: state of exhaustion or fatigue that is no longer just look,
Speaker 2: this is good. You push yourself, You're fine, as opposed
Speaker 2: to listen you need to you're just going too hard.
Speaker 3: So if you are new to a particular sport and
Speaker 3: you don't have good feel or if you don't have
Speaker 3: a tendency of using, say a wearable device, it can
Speaker 3: be harder to pick up the key indicators that will
Speaker 3: push you into fatigue. So I was listening to a
Speaker 3: podcast with one of the world's top long distance triathletes
Speaker 3: the other day, and he's a problem. So he's one
Speaker 3: of the big german guys, and he knows what are
Speaker 3: the key things that he does wrong when he's running.
Speaker 3: And so when he is running and when he's starting
Speaker 3: to feel that pinch of fatigue, he is constantly scanning
Speaker 3: the way that he runs, trying to correct those movement
Speaker 3: variables which he knows will affect this performance. Now, if
Speaker 3: you have a tendency of using it, if you use
Speaker 3: a device such as a garment or a particularly like
Speaker 3: a heart rate strap, all these sorts of things that
Speaker 3: gives you really really good feedback, so you can start
Speaker 3: to see on your watch or whatever it is that
Speaker 3: you're using, you can start to see the effects of fatigue,
Speaker 3: and particularly when you look at when you've looked at
Speaker 3: your data after your training event or your race or
Speaker 3: whatever it is, if you've got a good eye, you
Speaker 3: can actually see your point of fatigue, and over time
Speaker 3: you can try and push that further down the path.
Speaker 2: You've jumped topics for me already, because that was my
Speaker 2: other side of the conversation, and you did say that
Speaker 2: the two go hand in hand, but it was about
Speaker 2: exercising with gadgets and are they you know, are they
Speaker 2: good or or not. But actually, just before we get
Speaker 2: onto that, what's you know, we've all well maybe we
Speaker 2: haven't all seen it, but probably the triathlons and marathons.
Speaker 2: Probably triathlons are the one we've all seen the person
Speaker 2: staggering across the line as if they can't even they
Speaker 2: can't stand up straight. Sometimes they've even lost I've seen
Speaker 2: when they've lost control of their bows and everything. Yes,
Speaker 2: I mean are they just knacker? Are they really in
Speaker 2: danger of doing some long lasting damage when they're in
Speaker 2: that state of exhaustion.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure about long lasting damage because they would
Speaker 3: be inn the leite athlete, and so therefore they would
Speaker 3: have a medical team around them that can assess and
Speaker 3: make sure that they are okay. And those sorts of events,
Speaker 3: they do have medical teams. They can put them on
Speaker 3: a drip and that sort of thing. But a lot
Speaker 3: of people in training, just regular age groupers as we'll
Speaker 3: call them, do have a bit of a tendency of
Speaker 3: pushing themselves too far, thinking that they are making a
Speaker 3: positive difference to their training, but that in itself can
Speaker 3: lead to problems. So this is where devices can be. Okay, Now,
Speaker 3: devices have pros and cons.
Speaker 2: Well, let's get it. Let's get into the devices, because
Speaker 2: I'll tell you. I'll actually read out the questions I'd
Speaker 2: written down just from my own lay point of view.
Speaker 2: The first was should you actually be tracking your with
Speaker 2: smart watches and apps? Or are these are they just
Speaker 2: acute toy it's like, oh, look how many steps I
Speaker 2: did in my run, Look how far I went? Who cares?
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't run with anything apart from the time,
Speaker 2: And as you were talking about how gadgets can help
Speaker 2: you sort of work out, maybe there'd be a way
Speaker 2: of me realizing that I'm being a bit of a slacker.
Speaker 3: So the thing is is that if you go for
Speaker 3: a lot, let's just say, whether you're being coached or
Speaker 3: whether you've got some sort of plan that you're running to,
Speaker 3: the improvements that you will see over time are very
Speaker 3: very gradual. So if you and also if you have
Speaker 3: a a rating of perceived exertion, if you have an
Speaker 3: opinion as to how hard you've trained and how good
Speaker 3: you feel, that may not accurately reflect the physiological data
Speaker 3: that a device can provide. Now, if you say I
Speaker 3: mean I recommend people, you say Strava or there's a
Speaker 3: number of different what Strava. So Strata is basically a
Speaker 3: social platform. And when I say social media can have
Speaker 3: it so that it's completely private and it's completely free
Speaker 3: and no one sees it, or you can have it
Speaker 3: in more of a social setting where your friends can
Speaker 3: see what you're doing. And Strata allows you to track
Speaker 3: some of that or all of those sort of variables
Speaker 3: over time. So if you're if you're training for say
Speaker 3: a marathon or a half marathon, whatever, your first ten k,
Speaker 3: the first few runs might feel pretty average, but over
Speaker 3: time you can start to see the improvements, and you
Speaker 3: can see it in a very data specific way.
Speaker 2: So Strava is something that you are sinking the data
Speaker 2: from your wall, you watch or something so you don't
Speaker 2: have to take a phone with you. No, No, not at all, No,
Speaker 2: because that's part. I mean, it's a funny one because
Speaker 2: to me, I sort of when I go for a runner, look,
Speaker 2: I want to have your feedback as well. If you
Speaker 2: are someone who's into the exercise, whether it be swimming, running, hiking, whatever. Obviously,
Speaker 2: if you're an exercise class, that's all being dictated for you.
Speaker 2: But are you using a device and if so, because
Speaker 2: there is the other side to it is that I
Speaker 2: just sort of think that because some people go for
Speaker 2: an and they're listening to music or a gadget all
Speaker 2: the time. And I think there are two reasons I
Speaker 2: think that's a bad idea. One is it only takes
Speaker 2: one moment of an attention when you're crossing the road
Speaker 2: to your favorite tune to get hit by a bus
Speaker 2: for sure. But secondly, I don't know. I just it
Speaker 2: doesn't feel like you're focusing.
Speaker 3: You're losing nature a little bit and the feel of
Speaker 3: the situation.
Speaker 2: Focusing on your on your on your body. So it
Speaker 2: don't mean I'm going around in the state of meditation.
Speaker 2: But I'm aware of my breathing patterns. I'm aware of
Speaker 2: I'm thinking more just about how I'm feeling. Maybe I
Speaker 2: should try and ignore it. I don't know.
Speaker 3: The only upside I use people I suggest people to
Speaker 3: run with music is if we're trying to make a
Speaker 3: positive change to their cadence, which is the number of
Speaker 3: footsteps per minute. So if someone's particularly low in their
Speaker 3: cadence and they've gotten good rhythm, you I've actually created it,
Speaker 3: like I'm a bit of Dejai.
Speaker 2: Sort of cadence playlist.
Speaker 3: There's a I've got a number of cadence playlists, and
Speaker 3: you can actually get them on spot as well. So
Speaker 3: if you're really struggling to bed in your technique or
Speaker 3: you're sorry your cadence, you can go on to Spotify
Speaker 3: and look up say one hundred and eighty bpm, and
Speaker 3: the entire playlist will be at one hundred and eighty
Speaker 3: beats per minute. Okay, the downside, the downside to Strive
Speaker 3: sorry to Spotify, though, is that it's not like a
Speaker 3: proper mixed collection of songs, so in between each song
Speaker 3: the rhythm might be slightly out, so that could upset
Speaker 3: your your step camp. But I've actually created at home
Speaker 3: and on my course, and I'm just launching. I'm actually
Speaker 3: adding in about five or six hour long DJ mixes
Speaker 3: that people can run to me.
Speaker 2: Yep, wow ah, look see that's going to really ruin
Speaker 2: me now because I'm thinking I need to do it.
Speaker 4: Sorry, Tim.
Speaker 2: There's a strange expression. Actually, I didn't realize what I
Speaker 2: was when I was saying that I don't run with
Speaker 2: a with a device. So I was chatting to a
Speaker 2: couple of the younger journalists here and they used an
Speaker 2: expression which I understood to be something else. And the
Speaker 2: expression for running without a device is raw dogging. Don't
Speaker 2: look it up because it also means something else, very naughty,
Speaker 2: but apparently it's a young person's thing. It means you're
Speaker 2: going to run without any devices or stimulus. And I
Speaker 2: was shocked because I thought they were talking about something
Speaker 2: that was not safe for work.
Speaker 4: I'm not a proponent of you don't.
Speaker 2: Need to use that expression. I'm not going to mean,
Speaker 2: but that's the expression that they use for going that devices.
Speaker 2: And most young people ave spoken to are shot, not shocked,
Speaker 2: but they are like, what do you mean you run
Speaker 2: without a device? What do you mean you're not listening
Speaker 2: to music? I'm like, what's wrong with you? Can you
Speaker 2: just listen to his sense your own breathing? Anyway, Hey,
Speaker 2: we want to hear from you. Do you rely on
Speaker 2: a device for your workouts and listening to music? Is
Speaker 2: listening to music a good thing? Is that distracting? But also,
Speaker 2: if you've got any questions for Greg Pain, he's a
Speaker 2: biomechanist and he works with some pretty successful athletes. We
Speaker 2: can just put it that way. If you've got any
Speaker 2: questions for him about your exercise regime or patterns of
Speaker 2: exercise or issues you've got. He's not a physios a
Speaker 2: bi mechanist. It's all about the movement. So give us
Speaker 2: a call. We'd love to hear from you on news Talks.
Speaker 2: Here b it's twenty three past four, and welcome back.
Speaker 2: To the wee can collective the health. Aah, that's more
Speaker 2: like it, tire a bit of Billy Joel rather than
Speaker 2: that what was that Boka thing? Dreadful dreadful tune anyway.
Speaker 4: It was definitely a knock on.
Speaker 2: Oh sorry, but yes, sports talk just for three seconds Green.
Speaker 2: That was the first tribe from the box. Was was
Speaker 2: a trivers But it was not one, wasn't it.
Speaker 3: I'm not a rugby for sure. I love watching your blacks.
Speaker 3: I love the physicality and I look at it with
Speaker 3: a clinical eye the whole time.
Speaker 4: And that was a that was a bit of.
Speaker 2: A shower on there. It's a bit of a quiet
Speaker 2: one for the tml on that one, he said in
Speaker 2: the wind. But quiet, never mind, We're going to live
Speaker 2: with it. Cape Town's next. Right, let's take some calls
Speaker 2: about using devices for exercise. Do you rely on them?
Speaker 2: Are they a good idea for you? And we and
Speaker 2: Greg and I are actually going to go through the
Speaker 2: pros and cons because there are some interesting devices you
Speaker 2: can use. There's even this thing called it's not really
Speaker 2: a device, it sounds like a torture device. A sauna jacket,
Speaker 2: which is something when you're exercising you you're all, well,
Speaker 2: I think hot and sweating, hot and sweaty, that's the one,
Speaker 2: and not in a good way necessarily. If there's a
Speaker 2: good way, I don't know. I don't know what I'm
Speaker 2: talking about. Now, let's let's move on. David. Hi, Hey,
Speaker 2: how you.
Speaker 5: Doing good afternoon?
Speaker 4: Guys.
Speaker 5: Hey, yeah, Look, I'm a big proponent of using devices.
Speaker 5: I'll just lay myself there a little bit. I'm I'm,
Speaker 5: I'm attached to a device manufacturer, and we we we
Speaker 5: do have a very good perstration into that high forman
Speaker 5: sports stuff, running marathons, multi events and all of the
Speaker 5: but and look, I use I just just for my
Speaker 5: own personal use. Obviously, I went for King k walk
Speaker 5: this morning, just and you know, I use the music
Speaker 5: part of it for like a metronome for me, you know,
Speaker 5: if I'm wanted to pick the paper perfect, you know,
Speaker 5: I'm I'm you know, I'm using that. But also obviously
Speaker 5: using the devices biometrics for me just seeing what takes
Speaker 5: are going on, whether it be during the day or
Speaker 5: most importantly for me as sleep monitoring, see the quality
Speaker 5: of sleep I'm getting, not necessarily the quantity, but the
Speaker 5: quality of my sleep. I think that's one of the
Speaker 5: in my mind, and I certainly and our brands and
Speaker 5: not mind is one of the most important metrics you can.
Speaker 3: And so so I have a question for you. Then,
Speaker 3: if you are trying to achieve they a certain cadence,
Speaker 3: or you're trying to achieve a certain goal within the
Speaker 3: walk or the run, whatever it is that you're doing,
Speaker 3: if the device was to say, go flat or function
Speaker 3: in some way, do you think you would still have
Speaker 3: the same level of fear relative to achieving what it
Speaker 3: is that you are trying to achieve when the device
Speaker 3: is working. Because this is this is something particularly in
Speaker 3: the cycling cycling fraternity, but this is something where we
Speaker 3: see people who are super device dependent and if their
Speaker 3: device fails for whatever reason, they ready struggle to maintain
Speaker 3: what it is that they can do.
Speaker 5: Yeah, look, I think you know it's it's important for
Speaker 5: you as a person, as an athlete or as firing
Speaker 5: athlete or a beginner to understand how whether it be
Speaker 5: a skiing, whether it be skiing or like cycling or
Speaker 5: running or whatever yeap kayaking, you should understand get the
Speaker 5: feel of the of what you're trying to do without
Speaker 5: a device to sort of you know, necessarily absolutely give
Speaker 5: you that what you think is an advantage or whatever.
Speaker 3: And interestingly, sorry to interrupt, I mean to be rude.
Speaker 3: And interestingly with the kayakers at the Olympics when they're racing,
Speaker 3: so when the training they using GPS devices. When you're racing,
Speaker 3: you're not allowed to, so they're going purely by feel
Speaker 3: and race plan as well. So that makes for a
Speaker 3: very interesting shift from you know, working heavily with these
Speaker 3: GPS watchers knowing exactly what they're doing when they're training,
Speaker 3: but you don't have that feedback when you're when you're racing,
Speaker 3: which I find quite interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Look, look we see it a lot in our business
Speaker 5: and even ski. I was twelve years of ski rit
Speaker 5: so I never I never skied on a young age,
Speaker 5: and I never had a watch too you know, uh
Speaker 5: you know help me ski or you know, look at
Speaker 5: the look how fast I went. But nowadays it's kind
Speaker 5: of I think we delve a lot deeper into the
Speaker 5: into those metrics, whether it be you know, as a
Speaker 5: motivational aid, and I think you know, with our products
Speaker 5: and we have you know, cycling very much involved in that.
Speaker 5: It's just nice to be about to see how were
Speaker 5: you doing.
Speaker 2: Hey, David, Well, we've mentioned Samsung on the show and
Speaker 2: Garment and you've called up and you haven't volunteered a brand.
Speaker 2: So what's what what's your brand that you work for
Speaker 2: GM Garment? Oh good on you. Oh well, if you
Speaker 2: want me to try one for you for me?
Speaker 4: So hang on.
Speaker 2: So where's where are they manufactured?
Speaker 5: We have a We're based in the US. We have
Speaker 5: a Kansas unless Kansas is our head office, but we
Speaker 5: also have manif facilities and were in factory in Taiwan,
Speaker 5: and we have affectory in Germany.
Speaker 2: And I thought, I thought when you said, I thought
Speaker 2: you were talking about a manufacturing place in New Zealand.
Speaker 2: I thought it was just some local manufacturer. I haven't
Speaker 2: heard one of those. Something quite a significant company. Hey,
Speaker 2: thanks for you call mate.
Speaker 4: Thank you so much. That was awesome.
Speaker 5: You're welcome, you have a great day.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 2: I was dying to know. Let's face it, we already mentioned.
Speaker 2: But actually, you know why I don't mind him mentioning
Speaker 2: that because he didn't call up to tell us what
Speaker 2: it was. He caught up to discuss the topic, and
Speaker 2: it's like, you know, what interesting stuff absolute? Actually, I mean,
Speaker 2: how do you make a choice about what gadget you want.
Speaker 3: Oh, that's a really hard question. I mean, there are
Speaker 3: some some big players in the market. I guess it
Speaker 3: probably depends on what sport that you're doing. Triathlon would
Speaker 3: require something quite different in say cycling. Cycling.
Speaker 2: It's also clever, though, isn't it.
Speaker 3: I mean, I do think and this is going to
Speaker 3: sound a little ridiculous considering I come from a clinical background,
Speaker 3: but a lot of it just comes down to looks.
Speaker 3: I mean, because a lot of them have got so
Speaker 3: much similar, similar functionality, And I guess if you're looking
Speaker 3: at delving deep into the data, is it reliable?
Speaker 4: Is the watch?
Speaker 3: Like some people have heart rate issues because they're using
Speaker 3: their watch only as their heart rate monitor versus a strap,
Speaker 3: and the heart rate watch can be unreliable relative to
Speaker 3: ast I'll.
Speaker 2: Be honest, because I've looked at a few and look,
Speaker 2: I just have a watch because I don't know. I
Speaker 2: propride myself on sort of being old school in a way,
Speaker 2: but I did look at some of the product of
Speaker 2: our previous caller, and I must admit part of me
Speaker 2: was sort of like, am I just looking at this
Speaker 2: because I like the look of it, but designers, but.
Speaker 4: They do a very good job.
Speaker 2: Designer.
Speaker 3: You can pick and choose and they're all the top
Speaker 3: few are producing.
Speaker 2: Some What about there are rings?
Speaker 3: Are there's an aura ring which is sleep specific, Like
Speaker 3: I know a number of my athletes really put a
Speaker 3: lot of value on that because we do know in
Speaker 3: the athletic space, having high quality of sleep is phenomenally important.
Speaker 3: Like it's becoming more understood the level of importance relative
Speaker 3: to athletic performance.
Speaker 2: Right, let's take some more calls. Thanks for your call, David,
Speaker 2: I appreciate it. Where are we up to, Paul?
Speaker 1: Hello, Yeah, hi guys. It's a very interesting topic. I've
Speaker 1: had a can I say, a Forerunner for a long time,
Speaker 1: which I've used, and I I know, even if I'm
Speaker 1: not wearing it, I've had a fair idea what pace
Speaker 1: I'm running at, and you know, it tells me every
Speaker 1: you know, and I can tell with I can guess
Speaker 1: pretty much. But I also listen to podcasts a lot,
Speaker 1: and I think that's a really for me.
Speaker 2: Can you do can you do that with with the
Speaker 2: device you've got?
Speaker 1: Yes, I carry my phone with me.
Speaker 2: That's the very flags actually just out of curiosity, Paul
Speaker 2: are you worried. Are you worried about just the shutting
Speaker 2: yourself up from the sounds of the environment and away
Speaker 2: from a safety point of view, or.
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm conscious of that. But if you're running around
Speaker 1: parks or streets that you know pretty well, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm conscious that you crossing roads. I try and be focused,
Speaker 1: but yes you can, but it's not too loud.
Speaker 4: So I have a question for you.
Speaker 3: When you're running with your phone, Paul, where is your phone?
Speaker 6: I take it in my pocket.
Speaker 1: I've had solder straps or arm straps of four and
Speaker 1: various places, but I just found I've got a good
Speaker 1: good pants now that's to hold the phone pretty firmly.
Speaker 2: Are you running a nice, good firm tight licra then,
Speaker 2: so phones not bouncing around?
Speaker 1: I may have some just a list your shorts. And
Speaker 1: another question I was going to ask was I've been
Speaker 1: sick for a week, and how hard is it to
Speaker 1: get back into you know, when you miss a week's
Speaker 1: training to get back into it doing I've got a
Speaker 1: competition and just over a month's time.
Speaker 3: I would say my advice would be And I struggle
Speaker 3: to answer these questions because I'm not an exercise physiologist.
Speaker 3: But my immediate thought would be, as you're trying to
Speaker 3: get back into your training, use your heart rate as
Speaker 3: a guide for how hard you are working, not your
Speaker 3: perceived not your speed or your perceived level of activity
Speaker 3: or effort, because your heart rate could give you an
Speaker 3: indication of party. If you're wearing like a heart rate
Speaker 3: strap versus just on your wrist, that's going to be
Speaker 3: a lot more accurate. That can give you better indication
Speaker 3: as to whether you're working too hard relative to your health,
Speaker 3: that you've the health issue you've just had.
Speaker 2: Actually, that does sound like a really good opportunity for
Speaker 2: that's a really good, really good reason to have a device.
Speaker 2: I guess it's a really good benefit from having a device.
Speaker 3: I would also, you know, depending on how well you've been,
Speaker 3: i'd either get medical advice or if you've got a coach,
Speaker 3: I would certainly to talk to them as well.
Speaker 2: Hey, by the way, Paul, did you when you chose
Speaker 2: your device? Did you go on function or looks?
Speaker 1: To be honest, I mean a half a dozen years.
Speaker 1: Suppose it's an old as I said, that's an garment thing.
Speaker 3: And they are a classic before runner, that's for sure.
Speaker 1: So and a secondhand, only about six months old, and
Speaker 1: I was looking at price, really didn't just the struction.
Speaker 1: It was one of the better I.
Speaker 2: Forgot about that third thing. There's locks, function and price
Speaker 2: and of course good on you, thank you so much,
Speaker 2: thanks for calling.
Speaker 1: Please guys cheers.
Speaker 2: Actually, is that quite a useful thing that if you are,
Speaker 2: if you are recovering from illness, that if you are thinking, oh,
Speaker 2: I've been l so it's gonna I'm gonna feel worse.
Speaker 2: But of course, if you've got a device that tells
Speaker 2: you what your heart rate and it tells you it's
Speaker 2: twenty twenty tlicks above what it should be, that's probably
Speaker 2: a sign it's like, actually you need to back off.
Speaker 3: And also if you're coming back from injury as well,
Speaker 3: it gives you that that greater amount of accuracy by which.
Speaker 4: You are moving.
Speaker 2: Excellent, right, we want to want to hear from you
Speaker 2: as well, if you've got any questions for Greg. But
Speaker 2: in terms of devices, do you run with a device
Speaker 2: or exercise with a device, or do you like to
Speaker 2: I don't think I can use that expresson you're going
Speaker 2: to have used it once, that'll do. But do you
Speaker 2: or do you prefer to go without would be the
Speaker 2: way I'd put it right. Twenty two minutes to five
Speaker 2: news talks, he'd b and welcome back to the weekend collective.
Speaker 2: We're playing this number. Does your mother know by abba?
Speaker 2: Because it's one sixty bpm, which I think is my
Speaker 2: running speed, but it feels quite slow. Bump bump tree
Speaker 2: for five six Maybe the no, that's that can't be
Speaker 2: one sixty speed pm. I'm not buying that that anyway.
Speaker 2: It's a good excuse to play some ABBA, doesn't It.
Speaker 3: Seems too much about how much harder.
Speaker 2: Playing as my guest by mechanist to the stars and
Speaker 2: me from time to time, well not from time to time.
Speaker 2: I'm lucky to be quite useful. We're talking about devices
Speaker 2: and are they useful for your training? And actually, how
Speaker 2: did you choose one? Did you go looks price or function?
Speaker 2: Because I reckon most of us go all that looks good.
Speaker 2: I'll probably do enough and tax my pulse, doesn't it.
Speaker 4: Or what's at your local run club?
Speaker 3: Ah, that's a big thing that's actually becoming a real
Speaker 3: problem with some run clubs. People are showing up at
Speaker 3: like ten to five in the morning with their carbon
Speaker 3: plated shoes and it's getting a little bit competitive with
Speaker 3: with what people are using for a slow training.
Speaker 2: Run, and you love it. Of someone from the sort
Speaker 2: of lydiard Era just turned up on a pair of
Speaker 2: sort of plum cells and just kicked everyone's ass.
Speaker 3: Some Chuck Taylor one stars or something like that converse
Speaker 3: they are.
Speaker 2: That's right, let's take We're going to talk about soon
Speaker 2: sauna jackets in just a sec. But first, Steve.
Speaker 6: High, Hi, how you doing?
Speaker 4: Can I Steve good? Thank you.
Speaker 6: In my previous role, I was working for a well
Speaker 6: known New Zealand appliance manufacturer that was looking to take
Speaker 6: its technology into functional based strength based training equipment. And
Speaker 6: my role was in part of the innovation team and
Speaker 6: looking at different partnerships and I came across the doctor
Speaker 6: Phil Methotone method. I don't know if you've haven't, sorry,
Speaker 6: and so he's had a method for elite sports people
Speaker 6: right down to your average Joe that trains based on
Speaker 6: set heart rate for you depending on your limits, and
Speaker 6: that can progress over time. And they were looking at
Speaker 6: partnering with a watch hardware company. They're all ex Google
Speaker 6: people that had set up this outfit and I've got
Speaker 6: one of their watches because they integrated an ECG fingerprint
Speaker 6: reader in the side of the watch and is it accurate.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So the outfit out of Australia does clinical based machines.
Speaker 6: They did a lot of work to be able to
Speaker 6: integrate that, bring their algorithms across and give you sort
Speaker 6: of inner heart health data and oxygen saturation levels and
Speaker 6: a whole bunch of stuff that's way overkill for me.
Speaker 6: The one thing I do like is it tells me
Speaker 6: what my heart ages in a banding.
Speaker 3: And it looks sorry I was going to say, actually,
Speaker 3: I mean I've treated over the years any many athletes,
Speaker 3: particularly in the endurance sport who endurance sports, who you
Speaker 3: know when they are training will flick into say a
Speaker 3: for a rhythme or something like that. So a tool
Speaker 3: like this I can see most certainly having a place
Speaker 3: because you can go back over the ECG and see
Speaker 3: when and where.
Speaker 6: Yeah. So the trick with the UCG though, is you
Speaker 6: do it at the same time every day. You've got
Speaker 6: to be sitting down in a restaurants day to get
Speaker 6: accurate reading, so it's not real time. It does give
Speaker 6: you oxygen saturation level.
Speaker 2: That sounds almost like too much information for me, I'd
Speaker 2: be freaking out.
Speaker 6: Hold hold, Hold, hold your horses. It looks like an
Speaker 6: Apple watch. Like it's really classy and small and discreet.
Speaker 6: It cost me sixty bucks.
Speaker 2: Wow this company, No, No, I don't who is.
Speaker 1: So?
Speaker 6: The company's mob void m ob v o I And
Speaker 6: you can actually go on white label their hardware and
Speaker 6: build your own apps and so interesting point of innovation.
Speaker 6: They've got a whole series of different devices. The reason
Speaker 6: why I chose it and I love it is because
Speaker 6: I've had the smart Watchers and I hate all the
Speaker 6: bells and whistle notifications. I like knowing I'm getting my
Speaker 6: steps in. I like being able to track my surface
Speaker 6: temperature and you know, my heart rate and stress levels
Speaker 6: at different times. And every now and again I duck
Speaker 6: in and go at forty five, you've got the heart
Speaker 6: of a thirty to forty year old. And then when
Speaker 6: I've been a bit slack for a little while, I'm
Speaker 6: ticked back up into a fifty year old range.
Speaker 3: And yeah, I'm certainly going to be looking this up
Speaker 3: as soon as we get off the year, that's for sure.
Speaker 6: Yeah, if you want to have a yarn, I can
Speaker 6: leave my details or grabbed my number, flip me a check.
Speaker 6: I can fill you in on more.
Speaker 4: I just go on my website yet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can probably get in touch with Greeg through
Speaker 2: Biasport dot coat on correat.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I do not have any affiliations.
Speaker 7: I do not at all.
Speaker 4: Fair enough, very interesting, thank you.
Speaker 2: Actually, by the way, that song I played, does your
Speaker 2: mother know? That is definitely not one sixty bpm. That
Speaker 2: was way too slow, but it was I enjoyed listening
Speaker 2: to it.
Speaker 4: Just don't run to it, please un to it.
Speaker 2: No, that was a plot, that's anyway. Apparently wake Me
Speaker 2: Up Before You Go Go is also on the one
Speaker 2: sixty bpm, but that list has lost its credibility for
Speaker 2: that next JS, Hey, now just quickly because time is
Speaker 2: running racing away with us. The sauna jackets, I'm guessing
Speaker 2: without even knowing what they are, there's something you stick
Speaker 2: on to make then they make you hot and sweaty,
Speaker 2: and it sounds just revolting.
Speaker 3: They're becoming a little bit of a They're becoming more
Speaker 3: popular in the last few years. I mean, if you
Speaker 3: looked up studies sort of prior to twenty twenty one,
Speaker 3: you wouldn't see a hell of a lot. They have
Speaker 3: been used quite extensively in the boxing fraternity for a while. Basically,
Speaker 3: a sauna jacket or a sauna suit is literally like
Speaker 3: a completely waterproof jacket that you wear.
Speaker 2: That were winking.
Speaker 4: Yes it's not my capite.
Speaker 3: But when you are training and not racing, they change
Speaker 3: the physiological response you experienced. They're basically a novel form
Speaker 3: of heat acclimation, so they do. They have been shown
Speaker 3: to have positive physiological benefits for the athlete. The evidence
Speaker 3: around them. A lot of people use them as a
Speaker 3: weight loss tool, which.
Speaker 2: You've just lost fluid, Yeah, exactly right. You've done a
Speaker 2: sweat at a few grams.
Speaker 3: Of exactly right, So you can lose a lot of water,
Speaker 3: but you're not necessarily losing weight per se. I mean,
Speaker 3: there has been discussions are they a better tool than
Speaker 3: post exercise sauna in the answer to that is no,
Speaker 3: But they are a damn sight cheaper than a sauna
Speaker 3: as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I've done a quick google on this actually, and it
Speaker 2: says the opening sentences there is limited research on any
Speaker 2: meaningful benefits. But here are the risks. The dizziness, faintness, fatigue, headache,
Speaker 2: heavy sweating, low blood pressure upon standing muscle cramps, nausea
Speaker 2: and weaken rapid pulse.
Speaker 3: And they sort of think, yeah, they are the sort
Speaker 3: of thing that you use acutely. You don't use them
Speaker 3: for long periods of time if you are training for
Speaker 3: a specific event. As I say, they have been shown
Speaker 3: to have positive physiological effects relative to running particular endurance sports.
Speaker 3: But if you were going to use a tool like this,
Speaker 3: you use a lot of caution and you don't just
Speaker 3: suddenly rip into it and go running in a hot
Speaker 3: summer's day with a you know, a sauna jacket on,
Speaker 3: because chances are you won't make the end of the run.
Speaker 2: Right, good advice. I always think, just yeah, I think
Speaker 2: anything outside of you instinctively. You can tell me I'm
Speaker 2: wrong on this, but to me instinctively in terms of
Speaker 2: just what you should be doing with your exercises, let
Speaker 2: your body actually do the work. Don't try and do
Speaker 2: anything artificial in terms of way addressing. Just keep comfortable.
Speaker 3: So for you and I that you know, I classify
Speaker 3: as being age groupers, guys that like to go out
Speaker 3: and just try and make sure we look after ourselves
Speaker 3: the best way possible. One hundred percent. We don't need
Speaker 3: to do any of the sauna stuff. But if you're
Speaker 3: an athlete trying to extract the best out of yourself,
Speaker 3: so when when it comes to race date, there is
Speaker 3: really good evidence around using saunas in particular. And don't
Speaker 3: ask me about ice bas because I don't know, and
Speaker 3: I think the evidence is ambiguous on ice baths.
Speaker 2: By the way, quickly, somebody's just said, and we get
Speaker 2: this regularly anyway. But for those of this person doesn't
Speaker 2: understand what cadence is. Yep, Greg, what is cadence? Please?
Speaker 4: Cadence is your.
Speaker 3: Step, right, It's the number of steps that you take
Speaker 3: per minute. So if you are a runner, your speed
Speaker 3: that you run is determined by your number of steps.
Speaker 3: That it's a function of the number of steps you
Speaker 3: take per minute and your stride length.
Speaker 2: So generally eighty to ninety is a good stri generally
Speaker 2: unless you have very long legs or very short legs.
Speaker 3: I wok off what I call like a cadence window.
Speaker 3: So if you're five foot two or six foot six
Speaker 3: and you're running at the same speed, you are not
Speaker 3: going to be running at the same cadence. So okay,
Speaker 3: it's a key determinant of running efficiency, and also the
Speaker 3: speed by which you are running.
Speaker 2: Right, let's take a break. It is nine minutes to
Speaker 2: five news talks. He'd be if you're running right now
Speaker 2: listening to us. This is your one sixty bpm cadence. Okay,
Speaker 2: that means a foot strike every beatleless music, okay, as
Speaker 2: opposed to the left foot strike, which would be eighty
Speaker 2: and that's different. Okay anyway, right in fact on cadence,
Speaker 2: we've got what time for one last call? Mark? You've
Speaker 2: got about a minute and a half.
Speaker 7: Oh sorry, I'll be quick. What's the running club in
Speaker 7: the Hamilton near? And we had a workshop and I
Speaker 7: was told that I need to shorten my stride because
Speaker 7: it's I run on my heels more than I should
Speaker 7: be running, slept on my feet more.
Speaker 3: Just to interrupt, just to interrupt. Do not worry about
Speaker 3: what part of your foot makes contact with the ground.
Speaker 3: The evidence does not say a lot of coaches say this,
Speaker 3: and they are actually factually wrong. Heel striking, midfoot, striking
Speaker 3: four foot is fine. It's your cadence, and it's where
Speaker 3: your foot lands ultimately relative to your knee, which is
Speaker 3: your overstriding and related to cadence. So sorry, carry on,
Speaker 3: So don't change your heel strike. Just think about your cadence.
Speaker 7: To my knee.
Speaker 2: Ak.
Speaker 7: That's brilliant. Okay, that's that's good advice because I've had
Speaker 7: conflicting advice about it, so you just get caught up
Speaker 7: with all the different sorts of information.
Speaker 4: So yeah, no, no, you go your run clubs.
Speaker 2: I'd get Greg Pain down to have a chat with
Speaker 2: you guys.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's right, we should and I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 7: I don't use gadgets either, so probably O behalf the
Speaker 7: means of the club do. But it's amazing how dependent
Speaker 7: they that they are on them when they're running with them,
Speaker 7: and if they don't get to a certain place what
Speaker 7: we do part runs and they don't get a certain
Speaker 7: place in the parkground by a certain time, they sort
Speaker 7: of give up on their going for a certain time.
Speaker 3: So if you're trying to increase your cadence, the biggest thing,
Speaker 3: even if you're not using a device, is just try
Speaker 3: and think about keeping your pelvis forward because that helps
Speaker 3: to from a newer muscular perspective. So don't lean forward
Speaker 3: too much, keep your pelvis forward and think about just
Speaker 3: slightly increasing your cadence.
Speaker 2: Not not to and if you want to look for
Speaker 2: more information, I think pretty sure you can go to
Speaker 2: buiasport dot corder in sid but guess what time is
Speaker 2: upon us? Greg, thank you so much for coming on,
Speaker 2: thank you for having good to see you again and
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