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Speaker 1: You're trusted source for news and views.

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Speaker 2: Heather Duplicy Allen on the Mic Hosking Breakfast with the

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Speaker 3: Morning and Welcome coming up today. The Mood of the

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Speaker 3: Boardroom is out in the Herald. They like the Prime Minister,

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Speaker 3: they like pol want to They like Erica Stanford, They

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Speaker 3: don't like Adrian or Or. We're going to talk to

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Speaker 3: business veteran Dame Joan Withers for her take in New

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Speaker 3: Zealand on why it's adjusting another four roots after dropping

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Speaker 3: that in the cargol Wellington won the PPTA on why

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Speaker 3: it's suddenly on board with the charter schools and former

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Speaker 3: She had front man John Toogod in the studio with

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Speaker 3: us after eight.

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Speaker 1: Heather Duplicy Allen, I.

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Speaker 3: Reckon the person who's going to open The Herald's Mood

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Speaker 3: of the Boardroom survey today and hated the most is

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Speaker 3: going to be Adrian Or. Once he reads it, he's

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Speaker 3: going to be completely aware, if he isn't already, how

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Speaker 3: little confidence some of the country's top CEOs and directors

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Speaker 3: have in him. I mean, it's one thing to get

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Speaker 3: the hot takes on his performance from the average person

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Speaker 3: paying the mortgage. But these are people who live and

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Speaker 3: breathe the economy every single day for their sake, the

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Speaker 3: sake of their businesses. And this is what they say

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Speaker 3: about how he's managed the interest rate adjustments to deal

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Speaker 3: with inflation. One said the Reserve Bank were too slow,

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Speaker 3: and we're already hearing that from business two quarters ago.

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Speaker 3: Another said overcooked at both ends. Another the Reserve Bank

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Speaker 3: has overdone it on both sides of the cycle. They

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Speaker 3: were too dovish during COVID and too hawkish on the

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Speaker 3: end of things. And the Reserve Bank seems to have

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Speaker 3: very little idea of what's happening in the economy, which

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Speaker 3: I would imagine be very tough to read, given that's

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Speaker 3: actually its job. But it's right. I mean, look at

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Speaker 3: what is happening this week. We've got bank economists already

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Speaker 3: lining up to tell the Reserve Bank governor publicly what

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Speaker 3: he needs to do. Now, that's not totally unusual. And

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Speaker 3: by the way, what they're calling for is a fifty

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Speaker 3: basis point cut next week. Fifty basis points. Now, that's

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Speaker 3: not totally unusual that they would say in advance what

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Speaker 3: they think should happen. But it feels different, right, The

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Speaker 3: language is different. It's not what they're expecting now, it's

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Speaker 3: what they think should happen. It feels as if they

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Speaker 3: have realized that by applying pressure they can get him

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Speaker 3: to do the right thing. I mean, remember, this is

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Speaker 3: what happened last time we had an OCR decision, Adrian,

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Speaker 3: all were still fresh from thinking about talking about a hike.

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Speaker 3: Possibly the economists began calling hard for a cut, and

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Speaker 3: when the most that the rest of us expected was

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Speaker 3: a hold, he actually, in the end listened to the

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Speaker 3: economists and surprised us with a cut. It feels like

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Speaker 3: they are now telling him how to do his job

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Speaker 3: because of a lack of confidence that he actually knows

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Speaker 3: how to do his job. And if he's in any

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Speaker 3: doubt that that is how we feel. Mood of the

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Speaker 3: boardroom today will clear that right up for him.

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Speaker 1: News of the world in ninety seconds, right.

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Speaker 3: If you were in Iran, are you saying that the

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Speaker 3: attack was a success. It definitely had one big effect,

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Speaker 3: which was shoring up the support for Israel from the US.

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Speaker 4: To intensive planning between the United States and Israel to

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Speaker 4: anticipate and a fend against the brazen attack we expected

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Speaker 4: magnow mistake. The United States is fully, fully, fully supportive

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Speaker 4: of Israel.

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Speaker 3: Benjamin Yahoo is already cooking up their revenge.

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Speaker 5: Iran made a big mistake tonight, and they will pay

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Speaker 5: for it.

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Speaker 3: We will stand by the rule we established.

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Speaker 6: Whoever attacks us, we will attack them.

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Speaker 3: They've held an emergency meeting at the UN and Antonio

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Speaker 3: Guterres is not happy.

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Speaker 7: It's high time for an immediate cy is fighting Gaza

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Speaker 7: with the immediate and unconditional release of all ostriges. It's

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Speaker 7: high time for the cessation of hostilities in Lebanon.

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Speaker 3: The UK ambassador has given I Ran a slap on

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Speaker 3: the hand.

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Speaker 8: We categorically condemn this act of aggression, which escalates an

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Speaker 8: already dangerous situation. Israel has our full support in exercising

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Speaker 8: its right to defend itself.

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Speaker 3: The US ambassador seemed to suggest that Iran had just

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Speaker 3: been waiting for a time to strike.

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Speaker 9: The United States sent a clear message to Iran, don't

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Speaker 9: exploit the situation in ways that would resk propelling the

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Speaker 9: region into a broader war. The ergy see lagrantly and

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Speaker 9: repeatedly ignored this warning.

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Speaker 3: And amidst all of that, there was a VP debate yesterday.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to get to the reaction and the polls

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Speaker 3: immediately post the debate later. But each candidate gave as

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Speaker 3: good as they got.

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Speaker 1: Did he lose the twenty twenty election? Tim, I'm focused

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Speaker 1: on the future.

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Speaker 7: Did Kamala Harris censor Americans from speaking their mind and

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Speaker 7: the wake of the twenty twenty COVID situation?

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Speaker 10: That is?

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Speaker 1: That is a damning non answer.

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Speaker 3: And finally, there's an absolute scandal in the fat bear

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Speaker 3: contest in America. Every four they have this vote on

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Speaker 3: who the best fat bear in the country is, which

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Speaker 3: I suppose kind of similar to the bird of the

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Speaker 3: year over here. Anyone can vote. Last year, one point

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Speaker 3: four million votes were cast from over one hundred countries. However,

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Speaker 3: before the voting had started, Bear number four six '

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Speaker 3: nine is caused a scandal by attacking and drowning Bear

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Speaker 3: number four O two, who was seen as one of

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Speaker 3: the favorites.

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Speaker 11: Doesn't that just always happen?

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Speaker 3: Yep? Always. Contest officials had to regroup after that, remind

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Speaker 3: everyone that the this was nature, and find a new

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Speaker 11: I'd like to see a bit more of that in

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Speaker 11: the Bird of the Year.

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Speaker 3: Actually certainly make that Celebrital contest a little bit more relevant,

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Speaker 3: wouldn't it. And that is news of the world in

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Speaker 3: nineteen and nineteen seconds. Very speedy news of the world

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Speaker 3: this time around. Hey, Justin Trudeau, now Justin Trudeau, the

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Speaker 3: Canadian Prime Minister and right up there in terms of

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Speaker 3: world leaders as being one of the most annoying. Has

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Speaker 3: survived a second non confidence motion in Parliament. This is

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Speaker 3: the second one that he's had to face in two weeks.

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Speaker 3: It was brought by the Conservatives, the opposition obviously half

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Speaker 3: Justin Trudeau's managed to survive two hundred and seven votes

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Speaker 3: Hey, there is so much in the mood of the

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Sixteen past six fifty. Now is Andrew kallahoe j and

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Speaker 3: iw Olph Morning Andrew, Morning Heather. All right, So what's

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Speaker 3: happening the Middle East tensions on the market have had

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Speaker 3: what impact?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 12: Yeah, Hell when we spoke yesterday morning, Aran had just

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Speaker 12: launched that missile attack on Israel, So a significant escalation

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Speaker 12: in the recent conflict. So you get a big left

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Speaker 12: in geopolitical tension and you, now, I guess, legitimately ask

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Speaker 12: the question or you think about the broader impact on

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Speaker 12: financial markets this obviously notwithstanding the humanitarian implications and the

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Speaker 12: human costs. But we're here to talk about markets. So

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Speaker 12: from a market perspective, there's a couple of elements here.

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Speaker 12: The first one is you've got a broadening of the

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Speaker 12: conflict geographically. So take time out in your day today

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Speaker 12: to have have a look.

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Speaker 6: At a map.

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Speaker 12: Now, the Middle East, as we all know it is

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Speaker 12: critical for oil supply. The conflict to date Israel, Garza,

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Speaker 12: levet On. Have a look, it's all confined to a

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Speaker 12: very small area over in sort.

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Speaker 13: Of the West.

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Speaker 12: We're now potentially talking about a far broader geographical area

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Speaker 12: if this escalates. So you start to worry about the

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Speaker 12: impact on oil supply infrastructure, on supply channels. I mean, look,

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Speaker 12: the contagion factor was always present, but it just feels

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Speaker 12: like it just got a bit more real, doesn't it.

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Speaker 12: And one perception of the interruption or supply, or any

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Speaker 12: perception of the interruption and oil supply has global consequences. Now,

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Speaker 12: the second element is the potential to more sort of

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Speaker 12: actively involve outside parties. Now you think about what I

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Speaker 12: would call the backers of the protection aganists of Israel

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Speaker 12: and Iran, So you're talking in the US, Russia, in

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Speaker 12: other words, the potential to draw in global players. So

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Speaker 12: potential global political ramifications of sort of raptured up and notch.

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Speaker 12: Now what do we normally see in times like this, Well,

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Speaker 12: you see high roll price, right, so I look at

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Speaker 12: Brent Crewd there are rather benchmarks. Back in early September,

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Speaker 12: you know, mister Hoskin was getting quite excited. The brink

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Speaker 12: crewed adipped to sixteen sixty nine dollars a barrel US.

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Speaker 12: It was very low. Now overnight it's got very close

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Speaker 12: to seventy six US dollars. However it fell quite quickly.

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Speaker 12: It's now down in the seventy three. So it's quite volatile.

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Speaker 12: But just take a step back here here that in

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Speaker 12: March it was over ninety US dollars. So bigger picture issues,

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Speaker 12: slow global growth, the less demand, they're more important. Look,

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Speaker 12: what we also see is what we call flight to safety,

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Speaker 12: or assets that are perceived as being less risky. So

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Speaker 12: it's called the risk off trade. So you see a

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Speaker 12: flight to things like government bonds. So you look to

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Speaker 12: US government bonds and currencies, you see a flight to

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Speaker 12: the Swiss, Frank, Japanese yen. What happens is you see

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Speaker 12: a stronger US dollar as far as we're concerned, that

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Speaker 12: normally moves the Kiwi.

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Speaker 13: Dollar as well.

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Speaker 12: So yes, we have seen a reaction in the twenty

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Speaker 12: four hours, but Keywi dollar have been strengthening anyway, and

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Speaker 12: the reaction is pretty subdued. Same with US interest rates.

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Speaker 12: In other words, Heather, at this stage, this conflict is

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Speaker 12: not destabilizing global financial markets. Look, geopoliticgorists tend to have

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Speaker 12: short term impacts unless there's a material impact on all supply,

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Speaker 12: and that is persistent.

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Speaker 13: But the big stuff is still more.

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Speaker 12: Important, Heather. You know, global growth, inflation intertrates, that's more

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Speaker 12: important at the moment.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Which is I suppose good news on the OCI here.

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Speaker 3: We've got that coming up next week, and I've noticed

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Speaker 3: that there's a lot of economists now calling for fifty.

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Speaker 3: What do you think?

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Speaker 12: Yeah, So this is we talked yesterday and we're talking

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Speaker 12: on monetary policy, and now we're talking about something that

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Speaker 12: will directly affect listeners out there. If you think about

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Speaker 12: mortgage rates, I said, a good case, but could be

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Speaker 12: made for fifty or T twenty five basis point cut

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Speaker 12: next week. That's on the ninth and next Wenesday and

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Speaker 12: the last twenty four hours what I call the street

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Speaker 3: Good stuff, Andrew, good to talk to you, mate, Thanks

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Speaker 3: so much. It's Sandra callaher of JMI Wealth. I'm going

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Speaker 3: It'd be right here you go. Cabinet rankings for the

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Speaker 3: Sime and Brown. I would agree with that. Those would

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Speaker 3: Twelve is David Seymour. That's a surprise that he's that low.

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Speaker 3: We'll talk about him later on. There's a reason for that.

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Speaker 3: Right, We've got a trailer this morning for what's believed

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Speaker 13: It was last Octoll Gray. He was reading and I

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Speaker 1: Okay, what's the problem? I got called for jury duty.

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Speaker 3: The kind of carda case, and he's gonna pay for

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Speaker 1: What are you telling me?

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Speaker 13: Maybe I didn't hit it there. Let me just ask

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Speaker 3: Leslie Bibbs, JK. Simmons its in theaters first of November.

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Speaker 2: News agenda and digging into the issues. Heathern Do for

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Speaker 3: Overnight, the UK Prime Minister Keir Starmer has announced he's

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Speaker 3: We'll have a chat to Rod little. He'll be with

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Speaker 10: Morning Joan, Morning Heather.

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Speaker 3: I'm fascinated by your top three issues because I agree

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Speaker 10: I think living in South Auckland, you know, it's from

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Speaker 3: There seems to be a general consensus as well, just

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Speaker 10: I think they've done incredibly well. I think they have

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Speaker 3: Yes, so are you looking for a little bit of

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Speaker 10: I think that'd be good. I totally understand that the

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Speaker 10: So the government really had to address that. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: What are you looking for, Joan Rique? Are you putting

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Speaker 10: Well, I'm praying for fifty.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, aren't we all? Joan, thank you. I really appreciated.

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Speaker 3: Dame Joan with is the Warehouse Group chairperson nineteen away

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Speaker 3: or Jacinda and several CEOs are concerned about the tone

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Speaker 3: from the top. Still stuck in negative election mode, seems

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Speaker 3: to have forgotten who the opposition is. But overall he'd

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Speaker 3: be pretty pleased with that, I think. I mean, if

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Speaker 3: his job is to he's the prime manager, that's what

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Speaker 3: he wants to do. He's getting four point three on

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Speaker 3: that and that's not bad. Seventeen away from seven, the.

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Speaker 3: B hither who cares whether Luxe And is warm or not?

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Speaker 3: He has to be effective. I thought we'd buried the

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Speaker 3: be kind attitude with Jasindardum, which is a fair point

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Speaker 3: to make. I guess that the warmth thing is just

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Speaker 3: about whether he can ever become quite quite as popular

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Speaker 3: as any of the other ones. I've got to run

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Speaker 3: you through what the PPTA is best. PPTA there turnaround

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Speaker 3: on charter schools my favorite thing of the day. So

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Speaker 3: I'm going to tell you about that very shortly, right now,

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Speaker 3: fourteen away from.

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Speaker 2: Seven international correspondence with ends and eye insurance, peace of

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Speaker 2: mind for New Zealand business.

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Speaker 3: Joe McKenna out of us, ely for us right now,

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Speaker 3: Joe are you there? Can you hear me?

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Speaker 15: Joe?

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Speaker 3: No, we've got a problem with Joe's line. We'll try

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Speaker 3: and get Joe up. In the meantime i'll be able

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Speaker 3: to tell you you guys, just check it there for

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Speaker 3: me and then let me know when she's okay. The meantime,

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Speaker 3: we'll be able to tell you what's going on with

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Speaker 3: the PPTAs it's got to be the turnaround of the year.

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Speaker 3: I reckon. The PPTA has decided yesterday to stop hating

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Speaker 3: on charter schools. Now, if you know the union's position

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Speaker 3: on this, in particularly the PE's position on this, you'll

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Speaker 3: know that they are a huge opponent of David Sewell's

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Speaker 3: chartered schools have been lobbying against these charter schools for

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Speaker 3: the longest time. Going to their website, they've even got

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Speaker 3: these online forms for teachers to fill out basically just

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Speaker 3: to submit how much they hate the charter schools all

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Speaker 3: the way through to Parliament. Now turnaround have decided this

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Speaker 3: has basically been the teachers are forceless on them decided

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Speaker 3: that they are going to extend union membership to teachers

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Speaker 3: who work in charter schools, and they're saying this is

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Speaker 3: being done because they want to make sure that those

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Speaker 3: teachers have got a union, right, So this is them

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Speaker 3: being altruistic bs that's the line they're going to pedle.

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Speaker 3: I think much more likely what's happened is teachers are

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Speaker 3: not stupid, and teachers have had a look at the

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Speaker 3: situation and seeing that they can be paid x amount

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Speaker 3: of money if they work in the public sector, but

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Speaker 3: if they have a look over at the charter schools,

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Speaker 3: which will be independently operating, they will potentially be able

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Speaker 3: to get a whole lot more money if they switch

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Speaker 3: to a charter school, or if their school becomes a

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Speaker 3: charter school, or whatever the case may be, and so

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Speaker 3: they want the dollars and who doesn't want the dollars,

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Speaker 3: and that means they have to leave the union. The

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Speaker 3: unions looked at the situation thought, well, we want their dollars.

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Speaker 3: If they're getting more dollars out of the charter schools,

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Speaker 3: we'll have their dollars, thank you very much. And so

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Speaker 3: they've decided to basically make the situation easier for them. Anyway.

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Speaker 3: We'll have a chat to the PPTA about that. Just

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Speaker 3: after seven o'clock, joe Y Kinner should be back with us.

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Speaker 3: Joe Are you there, I am, I'm here. Oh, good

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Speaker 3: morning now, Joe on the Middle East? Right, you guys

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Speaker 3: are obviously a lot closer to the situation than we are,

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Speaker 3: so you'll be watching this much more keenly.

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Speaker 16: You're feeling nervous, well, I think there is a lot

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Speaker 16: of nervousness in Europe, and late today the Prime Minister

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Speaker 16: Georgia Maloney called emergency talks with other G seven leaders.

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Speaker 14: She's exposed to her concern about the escalation of the conflict,

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Speaker 14: emphasizing that it is regional, but it's not in the

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Speaker 14: interest of anyone obviously to keep it going, and they're

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Speaker 14: desperately looking for some sort of diplomatic solution, but it's

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Speaker 14: looking very nerve wracking at the moment from where we're

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Speaker 14: sitting in Europe.

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Speaker 3: Is there some hope though? I mean it sounds like

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Speaker 3: G seven is pretty hopeful that there will be a

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Speaker 3: diplomatic solution.

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Speaker 14: Well, as you can imagine, there's intense diplomatic talks going

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Speaker 14: on from the US to the UK to Europe, and

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Speaker 14: as I said, the G seven leaders were speaking today,

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Speaker 14: they're going to obviously stay in touch and try and

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Speaker 14: seek some sort of solution. Italy is incidentally still the

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Speaker 14: president this year in this rotating presidency of the G seven.

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Speaker 14: The Italian deputy Prime Minister, the foreign mister Antonio de Tahani,

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Speaker 14: is also very much involved in trying to further talks

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Speaker 14: with other countries. They're also concerned in Italy about peacekeeping

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Speaker 14: troops of Italian troops that are still inside Lebanon and

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Speaker 14: worried about their safety there.

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Speaker 3: Jonaston that poisoning of the Italian spies, So we think

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Speaker 3: that mafia was involved in.

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Speaker 14: This, Dear, this is an amazing story to missing. Authorities

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Speaker 14: investigating are investigating the mysterious of a former Italian spy.

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Speaker 14: He seems to have been poisoned at a dinner he

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Speaker 14: was having with nine retired Italian colleagues in Tunisia. He's

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Speaker 14: sixty two years old. They were having a dinner I think,

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Speaker 14: just a couple of weeks ago. Initially the desk has

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Speaker 14: been thought to have been a cyanide poisoning some sort of.

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Speaker 14: They drank a peach liqueur and one man died and

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Speaker 14: a couple of others were taken off to hospital. And

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Speaker 14: it's interesting because these agents were apparently involved in an

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Speaker 14: investigation that resulted in the arrest of a man known

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Speaker 14: as Angelo Stracuzzi. He's got mafia Lynx with the Sicilian

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Speaker 14: Cosa Nostra, and he was arrested and taken to prison

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Speaker 14: in Italy. And there's suggestions that this might be vindication

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Speaker 14: for that arrest and investigation.

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Speaker 3: A very interesting stef Joe, look after yourself. Thank you

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Speaker 3: very much, Joe mckinna with us out of Italy. I'm

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Speaker 3: sorry to have been proven right or ye know, right

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Speaker 3: on this one. Generally I like being proven right. Who doesn't,

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Speaker 3: but not in this particular case in New Zealand. Reducing

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Speaker 3: capacity again on four more routes. And the reason I've

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Speaker 3: been proven right was because you remember when the Mviicargo

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Speaker 3: Wellington route was cut earlier in the week, as I said,

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Speaker 3: not gonna be the last of it, and watch out

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Speaker 3: for the Wellington roots. And sure enough one flight from

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Speaker 3: Queenstown to christ Church will move to a smaller plane,

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Speaker 3: Dunedin to Wellington. There's a Wellington flight moved to a

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Speaker 3: smaller plane. Christ Church New Plymouth will lose three flights

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Speaker 3: and then blend him to Wellington. Not a huge change,

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Speaker 3: but it will have a flight moved earlier. I were

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Speaker 3: going to have a chat to Air New Zealand about this.

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Speaker 3: After seven it's nine away.

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Speaker 2: From Heather Duplessy Ellen on the my costume break lift

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Speaker 2: with the Jaguar f base news talk zedb.

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Speaker 3: Hey, so big news yesterday in terms of justice and

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Speaker 3: miscarriages of justice, and I tell you what, we're seeing

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Speaker 3: a fair few of them at the moment, aren't we.

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Speaker 3: The Court of Appeal finally acquitted Gail Many Now. She

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Speaker 3: was accused of an historic murder all the way back

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Speaker 3: in nineteen eighty nine of Dean full of Sands, and

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Speaker 3: the way that this case was handled was it's hard

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Speaker 3: to read about the case and be convinced that that

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Speaker 3: obviously everything wasn't hunky dory, right. The Court of Appeal

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Speaker 3: has ruled that. But if you read about it, you well,

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Speaker 3: that's obvious, isn't it. Because what happened was it relied

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Speaker 3: on the evidence of a bunch of witnesses, but a

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Speaker 3: couple of the witnesses did not agree on what they

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Speaker 3: each say happened. And this is where it gets really weird.

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Speaker 3: A fax was then sent and then they did agree.

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Speaker 3: So what happened is one of the cops who was

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Speaker 3: working on the case sent a fax to one of

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Speaker 3: the detective one of the Auckland lawyers representing one of

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Speaker 3: the key I witnesses. Now, remember two kei I witnesses

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Speaker 3: at the stage do not agree. The facts goes through

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Speaker 3: attached to the facts as the transcript of the interview

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Speaker 3: with another witness right, detailing about what he detailing what

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Speaker 3: he said he saw about the murder. After the facts

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Speaker 3: are sent to the lawyer, suddenly the client agrees with

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Speaker 3: the other guy's story. Suddenly took their singing from the

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Speaker 3: same song page. I mean, you'd have to say that

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Speaker 3: can hardly be a coincidence, right, So the Court of

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Speaker 3: Appeal has now based on all of the available evidence.

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Speaker 3: Has ruled that there's no evidence, let alone credible evidence. Again,

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Speaker 3: it's Gail Manie. She's now free for the first time

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Speaker 3: in twenty five years. She served fifteen years in the

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Speaker 3: slammer for it. One of the guys who's worked to

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Speaker 3: get her out of the situation is Tim McKinnell, private investigator.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna have to talk to him in the next hour.

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Speaker 3: Right now, it's four away from seven.

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Speaker 3: Got some numbers for you on the small business sector

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Speaker 3: this morning. They come from zero in their Small Business

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Speaker 3: Insights program. Small business is getting prompt payment for their

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Speaker 3: work has long been an issue, with most late payments

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Speaker 3: coming from the large businesses.

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Speaker 17: Now.

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Speaker 3: Back in twenty twenty one, there was about four hundred

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Speaker 3: and fifty six million dollars worth of late payments owed

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Speaker 3: to Kiwi small businesses. The latest numbers though, from twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty three, sure that's jumped to eight hundred and twenty

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Speaker 3: seven million bucks in overdue payments, pretty close to doubling.

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Speaker 3: You may remember, in February of this year, small Business

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Speaker 3: Minister Andrew Bailey made the announcement that the government would

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Speaker 3: be requiring agencies to adopt faster payment times, while also

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Speaker 3: working with Business New Zealand to create a voluntary code

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Speaker 3: to make sure that this all businesses are paid on time.

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Speaker 3: So far, ninety five percent of government agencies have met

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Speaker 3: the benchmark of paying invoices within ten business days. Not

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Speaker 3: sure how effective a voluntary code is going to be, though,

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Speaker 3: right because how effective are they ever? Heather, The PPTA

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Speaker 3: wants to take in charter school teachers so they can

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Speaker 3: control them. Those teachers want freedom to teach their way.

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Speaker 3: Don't lock yourselves into a union. You'll be screwed over.

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Speaker 3: That's not my That's not that was what that was

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Speaker 3: the texture. I'm just making that clear. I don't say

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Speaker 3: don't don't don't lock into a union, although would be

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Speaker 3: roughly where I sit on that anyway. I have a

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Speaker 3: chat to the PPTA shortly and in New Zealand after

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Speaker 3: the news.

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Speaker 2: JESUSND the Breakfast Show You Can Trust Heather duplicy Llen

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Speaker 2: on the Mike Hosking Breakfast with a Vida Retirement, Communities,

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Speaker 2: Life Your Way News tog said.

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Speaker 3: Be morning to you hear the duplicy l and for Mike,

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Speaker 3: who's back on Monday. Now, only days after cutting the

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Speaker 3: Envicargol to Wellington flight in New Zealand has reduced capacity

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Speaker 3: on four more routes. One flight from Queens Sound to

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Speaker 3: christ Choge will move to a smaller plane. Dunetan to

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Speaker 3: Wellington will move to a smaller plane. Christ Chute New

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Speaker 3: Plymouth will lose three flights and blend them to Wellington

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Speaker 3: will have a flight moved later in the day. In

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Speaker 3: New Zealand's domestic general manager Scott Cars with us. Morning Scott,

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Speaker 3: Good morning Hell. What is going on with you guys?

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Speaker 18: Well, this is just a normal practice for us and

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Speaker 18: fairly difficult circumstances. To be honest, I know we've got

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Speaker 18: a lot of care and planning into ensuring our domestic

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Speaker 18: network services our communities across the country effectively, and as

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Speaker 18: a result, we regularly review our schedule and make some

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Speaker 18: adjustments here in there to make sure it's for purpose.

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Speaker 18: In this case, you know, we've got a lot of

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Speaker 18: cost increases and demand softening issues with aircraft and so

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Speaker 18: we're having to right size some markets to make sure

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Speaker 18: we continue to deliver a sustainable service to those communities.

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Speaker 3: Okay, mean, obviously some of this is about the routes

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Speaker 3: not making enough money, But has have the engine problems

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Speaker 3: got anything to do with it as well?

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Speaker 19: Yeah?

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Speaker 17: It does.

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Speaker 18: I mean these engine problems cascade down through our fleets.

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Speaker 18: So if we have a problem with our a three

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Speaker 18: to twenty narrow body fleet, sometimes we have to use

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Speaker 18: atrs to fly those services, and that means we've got

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Speaker 18: to find those aircraft from other parts. So it is

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Speaker 18: it's a problem that spreads across the entire business that

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Speaker 18: we're trying to resolve.

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Speaker 3: Here, you're doing this only next year, right, this is

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Speaker 3: stuff that keecks in in February, January, February or so on.

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Speaker 3: Does that mean, k can I read into that that

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Speaker 3: you were expecting next year to be even tougher.

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Speaker 18: No, this is really about planning. It's about making sure

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Speaker 18: we get these things into market as soon as we can,

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Speaker 18: and also practically just sort of understanding we have people

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Speaker 18: booked on those services, so you know, changing people's travel

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Speaker 18: plans too early to me highly disruptive and so you know,

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Speaker 18: these are good, good decisions that we have to make economically,

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Speaker 18: but we are delaying those changes until after the school

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Speaker 18: holiday break, just to make sure that we actually aren't

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Speaker 18: disrupting too many people and we get all our people

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Speaker 18: at pilot's crew et c.

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Speaker 5: In the right places.

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Speaker 3: Is this the end of it or is there more

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Speaker 3: to come?

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Speaker 18: Look, I wish I had a crystal ball that could

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Speaker 18: predict the future, Heather, it is these are trying times.

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Speaker 18: Costs up, as I mentioned before, demands down, and you'll

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Speaker 18: be well aware of things like government travels down about

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Speaker 18: thirty percent across our network. Hey, if that continues indefinitely,

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Speaker 18: then we might have to make some more changes.

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Speaker 19: I don't know.

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Speaker 18: But then again, if it bounces back, hopefully we can

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Speaker 18: get more aircraft in the year will be. You know,

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Speaker 18: we've got a strong commitment to growing a domestic business

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Speaker 18: that has not changed in a long time. We do

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Speaker 18: understand that domestic flying, connecting New Zealanders to each other

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Speaker 18: and the world is part of who we are as

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Speaker 18: a brand, and we want to do that, so we

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Speaker 18: want to continue to grow. It's just we're going through

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Speaker 18: a bit of a lull here, as I say, where

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Speaker 18: costs and demand are not moving in the right direction

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Speaker 18: to us.

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Speaker 3: Scott, thanks very much, best of luck with everything at

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Speaker 3: Scott car in New Zeald's general manager of Domestic Heather

701
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Speaker 3: do for LBTA has had an enormous change of heart

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Speaker 3: on charter schools. By the looks of things, the union

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Speaker 3: has decided it will now cover teachers who work for

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Speaker 3: these essentially independent schools and this is a massive turnaround

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Speaker 3: from railing hard against the establishment of the schools in

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Speaker 3: the first place. Pbta's president Chris Abercromby is with us.

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Speaker 5: Hey, Chris, goodly, good morning.

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Speaker 3: This has got to be one of the biggest turnarounds

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Speaker 3: in the history of the union, right.

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Speaker 5: Oh, I wouldn't go that far at all. I'd just

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Speaker 5: say this is responding to the situation we're in and

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Speaker 5: supporting our members and.

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Speaker 16: How many of your members wanted this, oh well, our

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Speaker 16: our annual conference pastor so as a representative of all

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Speaker 16: all our regions in New Zealand, more than fifty percent?

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Speaker 10: Yes?

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Speaker 5: Absolutely?

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Speaker 3: Do you know how much more than fifty percent?

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Speaker 17: No?

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Speaker 5: I don't know how much more than fifty percent.

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Speaker 3: This is about them wanting the better pay that's on

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Speaker 3: offer at the charter schools oone.

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Speaker 5: No, no, this is about the forced conversion of schools

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Speaker 5: against their will and our members not having a decision,

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Speaker 5: and so we need to be there to protect them.

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Speaker 3: But how how I mean we're not It's not going

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Speaker 3: to be more than fifty percent of teachers who are

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Speaker 3: affected by this. So why are more than fifty percent

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Speaker 3: of teachers worried about it?

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Speaker 15: Well?

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Speaker 5: The men it's them out said he wanted eighty percent

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Speaker 5: of secondary schools to be charter schools, So it's going

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Speaker 5: to be a lot more than that. So we we're

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Speaker 5: here to protect our members. We absolutely oppose charter schools,

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Speaker 5: but it's the forced conversion of these schools on the table.

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Speaker 5: We need to be there to protect our members.

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Speaker 3: So are you going to continue to lobby against charter schools?

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Speaker 5: We want all we want any school charter school that's

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Speaker 5: created to be integrated back into the state system, and

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Speaker 5: we need to be there to be there with our

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Speaker 5: members to support them.

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Speaker 3: Are you open to changing your mind? Like if your

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Speaker 3: members are working for charter schools and like, actually, Christ,

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Speaker 3: this is an awesome situation. I love it, and enough

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Speaker 3: of them say that to you, will you change your mind?

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Speaker 5: Well, we'll always listen to the membership and we'll see

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Speaker 5: what happens. But as it stands, we don't think charter

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Speaker 5: schools are needed. We don't need them in New Zealand.

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Speaker 5: They have got a record of failure, a record of

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Speaker 5: lack of transparency, all of these issues. But we need

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Speaker 5: to be there to support our members to decide and

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Speaker 5: you make these decisions. And you know we're not going

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Speaker 5: to let the Associate Ministry of Education decide who can

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Speaker 5: be our member.

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Speaker 3: Chris, I would have thought that you guys should be

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Speaker 3: stoked about this because this creates more work for you,

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Speaker 3: doesn't it. I mean like this actually could potentially strengthen

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Speaker 3: the union because no longer is there this one collective agreement,

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Speaker 3: you might be rolling out multiple ones that you have

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Speaker 3: to go out and negotiate.

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Speaker 5: Now, well, that could potentially happen. We will have to

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Speaker 5: have site based agreements, but teachers will be the only

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Speaker 5: workers in New Zealand that don't have a right to

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Speaker 5: a multi employment collective agreement. Again under the Education Social

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Speaker 5: Education Minister's law, these restrictions on us, and we're we're

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Speaker 5: busy fighting back against it.

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Speaker 3: Good stuff, Chris, thanks very much for your time. That's

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Speaker 3: Chris Abercrombie, the PPTA president.

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Speaker 1: Heather duper c Ellen, Yes, the mood of.

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Speaker 3: The boardroomer case, CEOs and directors will asked what they're

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Speaker 3: most worried about for New Zealand. The domestic issues at

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Speaker 3: the moment Number one, by far and away. Number one

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Speaker 3: energy price increases, then the cost of living, then security

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Speaker 3: of energy supply, then interest rate levels, then cyber threats,

775
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Speaker 3: rising insurance costs, and the Reserve Bank management of the OCR.

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Speaker 3: Now you'll notice there that a couple of them actually duplicate,

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Speaker 3: pop up twice. So energy, the supply of energy, and

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Speaker 3: the price of energy is there at number one and

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Speaker 3: number three. So that is a very very big worry

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Speaker 3: for business. And you can understand why, because you can't

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Speaker 3: do business if you can't afford the power or if

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Speaker 3: you don't know whether the power is going to be on.

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Speaker 3: And already we've had a few meals around the country

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Speaker 3: closing as a result of that, or at least in

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Speaker 3: part as a result of that. And you'll notice the

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Speaker 3: OCR and the Reserve Bank have popped up there twice

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Speaker 3: as well. And feels like the message to Adrian or

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Speaker 3: is not loving what you're doing, Get on to bringing

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Speaker 3: those rates down. Thirteen past seven The Mic.

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Speaker 2: Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio Howard By News talks.

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Speaker 3: At be that this bozo for from the Teachers Union

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Speaker 3: said that charter schools have a history of failure. What

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Speaker 3: the actual has he seen our recent educational outputs? Heither,

794
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Speaker 3: maybe that guy from the teachers Union should go look

795
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Speaker 3: at the literacy and the math standards of kids and

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Speaker 3: state schools in New Zealand. Heither no mention of the

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Speaker 3: record or failure of state schools. All fair points. I mean,

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Speaker 3: who needs charter schools when state schools are just doing

799
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Speaker 3: so well at the moment making sure our kids have

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Speaker 3: an education and a turning up to class A. By

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Speaker 3: the way, you want to see what the PPTA has

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Speaker 3: been doing it, Daniel Conference, I'll on you through that

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Speaker 3: when I get a teck. Seventeen past seven, now, after

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Speaker 3: twenty five years, Gail Many as a free woman, spent

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Speaker 3: fifteen years in the slammer. The Court of Appeal yesterday

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Speaker 3: finally acquitted her of murdering Dean full of Sands in

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Speaker 3: nineteen eighty nine. Now, private investigator and former police officer

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Speaker 3: Tim mckinnell's been working on this case. A tim morning

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Speaker 3: here and when you first saw the documents relating to

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Speaker 3: this case, when she gave them to you, did you

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Speaker 3: know immediately that she hadn't done it?

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Speaker 6: It was pretty clear pretty quickly. It takes a wee

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Speaker 6: while to get through it. There's a lot of material,

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Speaker 6: but it became pretty clear that the current case was

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Speaker 6: in many ways just an absurdity, and so myself and

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Speaker 6: others that looked at it and knew fairly quickly that

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Speaker 6: we had a miscaracter. Justice Sonny Hands.

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Speaker 3: The thing that struck me was when I read about

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Speaker 3: it. It was not nearly as extensively as you obviously, but

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Speaker 3: the fact that the facts that the detective sent the

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Speaker 3: lawyer about witness statements that to me looked like a

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Speaker 3: crucial piece of evidence that said something was wrong.

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Speaker 19: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, just don't do that. It's pretty plain, one O

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Speaker 6: one a detective thing. You don't send things like that,

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Speaker 6: and when you do, and if you do, you disclose it.

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Speaker 6: And it wasn't disclosed. And that's one of the reasons

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Speaker 6: that the court pointed to a miscarriage occurring here.

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Speaker 3: Now, one of the other cases you've worked on, which

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Speaker 3: is the Allen Hall case, has actually got three people

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Speaker 3: now before the courts themselves for the miscarriage of justice.

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Speaker 3: Are you expecting something similar to happen here?

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Speaker 6: Based on our assessment of what happened, we think there

834
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Speaker 6: are a few people that probably ought to be the

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Speaker 6: focus of a criminal investigation, and we'll be encouraging the

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Speaker 6: police to do that.

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Speaker 3: Tim, That's quite serious, isn't it, Because that's not we

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Speaker 3: just whip see. We stuffed it up that there's something

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Speaker 3: more considered there in order to be charged.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, this is I think this whole investigation was corrupted

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Speaker 6: from the outset, and when that big started to become exposed,

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Speaker 6: it it was covered up.

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Speaker 3: You reckon, you reckon. She's going to get compom.

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Speaker 19: She ought to.

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Speaker 6: She's as innocent as you and I of Dean phili

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Speaker 6: sans murder. And so that's the next step for us

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Speaker 6: is to start working towards that fort.

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Speaker 3: I mean, why is it that we are dealing with

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Speaker 3: so many miscarriages of justice at the moment, because it

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Speaker 3: feels like it's just quite a lot coming at us.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's right. Well, it's because I think some of

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Speaker 6: the belief we had in the safety of our criminal

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Speaker 6: justice system was misplaced. The system has, I think, over

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Speaker 6: the years, protected itself. The mask is starting to slip

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Speaker 6: and we're starting to see more and more of these cases.

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Speaker 6: There are more to.

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Speaker 3: Come, Tim, thanks very much, appreciate it. Tim mcknell, private investigator,

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Speaker 3: former police officer, John too Good. You'll know the name obviously,

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Speaker 3: former guy from She Had. He's gone solo. He's got

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Speaker 3: a new single, he's got a new album, he's got

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Speaker 3: a new tour. He's going to be with us in

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Speaker 3: the studio after eight o'clock. Not a lot of love

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Speaker 3: for Air New Zealand, although I feel like in New

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Speaker 3: Zealand's probably getting used to this. Hither demand is dropping

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Speaker 3: because you're charging. This has written to ends, is like

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Speaker 3: an open letter, so an open text. In New Zealand,

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Speaker 3: command is charging because you are charging like a wounded bull.

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Speaker 3: Our business had forty return flights with you last year,

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Speaker 3: but we could say forty to fifty percent going on

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Speaker 3: jet Star, so it just didn't make any economic sense

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Speaker 3: to fly with you. Twenty past seven.

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Speaker 3: North Islanders may never have heard of SBS, but Southerners

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Speaker 3: and Owen love them. SBS is owned by its members,

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Speaker 3: proudly keeps its profits here in New Zealand, so when

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895
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Speaker 3: and the situation with the Middle East. They're gonna have

896
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Speaker 3: to sort themselves out of over this. I'm obviously talking

897
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 3: about Damian O'Connor's tweet just sort of had a little

898
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Speaker 3: bit of media coverage in the last few days, but actually,

899
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Speaker 3: frankly not enough for how offensive it is. I was

900
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Speaker 3: surprised yesterday when I was listening to Carmel Seppaloni being

901
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Speaker 3: interviewed on this. She's being interviewed as the leader at

902
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Speaker 3: the deputy leader of the Labor Party, given that Chippy's

903
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Speaker 3: away at the moment, she's in charge, and she was

904
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Speaker 3: asked if Damian O'Connor should apologize for his tweet, and

905
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Speaker 3: instead of saying the obvious thing, which is yes, because

906
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Speaker 3: that's the only answer to give, she started making excuses

907
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Speaker 3: for him. Ah, he feels very strongly about the situation,

908
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 3: as if that makes it okay for him to say

909
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Speaker 3: what he did. Now, let me just remind you what

910
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Speaker 3: it was that he retweeted. Palestinians have every right to

911
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Speaker 3: do what they did on October seventh, and let me

912
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Speaker 3: remind you what Ramas did on October seventh. They raped

913
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Speaker 3: and murdered innocent people. Now, it doesn't really matter where

914
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Speaker 3: you stand on this conflict. No one, especially a senior

915
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:19,320
Speaker 3: politician can say or think that it's okay for terrorists

916
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Speaker 3: to go and kill teenagers who are out at a

917
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Speaker 3: dance party. It's not okay. I don't care how much

918
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Speaker 3: you are angry with the State of Israel or whoever.

919
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Speaker 3: It is not okay for terrorists to go and do

920
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Speaker 3: that to innocent kids. Absolutely, Damian O'Connor needs to apologize

921
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Speaker 3: for endorsing that sentiment. Now, I get that this conflict

922
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 3: is making people feel very, very upset, and it appears

923
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Speaker 3: to be scrambling people's better judgment. Right Just this week

924
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 3: in Australia, we had the case of a young reporter

925
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Speaker 3: questioning why Australia doesn't treat Israel in the same way

926
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Speaker 3: that they treat Hisbola. All the answers obvious. They're not

927
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Speaker 3: the same. One is a state and one's a terrorist organization,

928
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Speaker 3: and there is no equivalence between the two of them,

929
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Speaker 3: no matter how much you may disagree with what a

930
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Speaker 3: state is doing. But that is exactly why Damian O'Connor

931
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Speaker 3: and needs to set an example by apologizing, because right now,

932
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Speaker 3: when people are as angry and confused as they are

933
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Speaker 3: about what's going on, what we actually need from our

934
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Speaker 3: major and serious political parties and our MPs, and especially

935
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Speaker 3: the senior ones who are holding senior portfolios like Associate

936
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Speaker 3: Foreign Affairs spokesperson. What we need from them is to

937
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Speaker 3: set an example of how to behave with decency, not

938
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Speaker 3: the opposite.

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Speaker 1: Together do for Clas.

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Speaker 3: Golden Balls is going to be with us short last

941
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Speaker 3: Sime and Brown Misster number two in the cabinet rankings

942
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Speaker 3: today in the mood of the boardroom, what I want

943
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Speaker 3: to talk to him about is I don't know if

944
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 3: you've seen this, but the CRL. This is the new

945
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Speaker 3: train system that's going to be running around under Auckland

946
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Speaker 3: once it gets going in a couple of years. Go

947
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Speaker 3: do the big loop, Just go round and round round we're.

948
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Speaker 1: Going to have.

949
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Speaker 3: It's not going to be going very fast, is it?

950
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Speaker 3: Because we're gonna have some temporary speed restrictions because Kiwi

951
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Speaker 3: Rail k We Rail is putting temporary speed restrictions in

952
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Speaker 3: what a surprise. So we'll ask him about that. And

953
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Speaker 3: also the consultant's bill for the Mega Tunnel in Wellington,

954
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Speaker 3: which is never going to get built, is already at

955
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Speaker 3: one point six million dollars. Anyway, have a listen to

956
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Speaker 3: the SECAs said, talk to you about the PPTA. PPTA

957
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Speaker 3: has got their annual conference on at the moment, and

958
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Speaker 3: if you have a look at the conference papers, this

959
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 3: is on Kiwi blog today. Laid out what's going on

960
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Speaker 3: with the conference papers right because it gives you an

961
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Speaker 3: idea of what they're discussing, what they spent the conference

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Speaker 3: discussing on, what their priorities are. This is it. Number one,

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Speaker 3: Remove all references to gender from their constitution and replace

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Speaker 3: sihi with they. Number two. Replace all references to the

965
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Speaker 3: Treaty of White Tungy with Teti or White Tongey. Number three.

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Speaker 3: Or lobbying for taxpayers to fund queer community liaison roles

967
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Speaker 3: in all schools whose jobs will be to campaign for

968
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Speaker 3: Queer angatahi and their rights. Number four. PPTA to become

969
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Speaker 3: a peace organization and lobby the government on foreign policy.

970
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Speaker 3: How about you teach the kids' maths first and then

971
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Speaker 3: you start getting involved in the Middle East. Change the

972
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Speaker 3: name of the Canterbury Region to for PBTA to it's

973
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Speaker 3: Martin name, the hut Valley region, same West Coast region,

974
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Speaker 3: same cool. I mean, maybe when they finished with all

975
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Speaker 3: of that, they can think about how to get those

976
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Speaker 3: math grades up A not a priority, but if you

977
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Speaker 3: just slot that in as the last thing the conference

978
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Speaker 3: paper be handy golden balls, same and Brown with us

979
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Speaker 3: next News talks HEVB.

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Speaker 1: Will you what then?

981
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Speaker 2: News Bold opinions Heather Duple see Allen on the mic

982
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Speaker 2: Hosking Breakfast with the Jaguar f pace cut from a

983
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Speaker 2: different cloth.

984
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Speaker 1: News Talks EDB former.

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Speaker 3: She had front man John too Good and studio with

986
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Speaker 3: us after eight to talk. Going solo on the texts, Heather,

987
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Speaker 3: I'm just back from visiting schools in Brisbane. Their union

988
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Speaker 3: focuses solely on paying conditions one hundred and fifty thousand

989
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Speaker 3: dollars Australian for a teacher. The PPTA needs to stick

990
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Speaker 3: to its core business. That's from Patrick right now, twenty

991
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Speaker 3: two away from eight.

992
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Speaker 1: When you backing your neaper.

993
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Speaker 3: So unbelievably, trains on Auckland City rail Link will not

994
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Speaker 3: go as fast as we previously expected when the thing

995
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Speaker 3: finally opens in a couple of years time. This is

996
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Speaker 3: because of temporary speed restrictions again put in place by

997
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Speaker 3: again kre We Rail Transport Minister Simeon Brown is across

998
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Speaker 3: the issue. Morning to your Simeon.

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Speaker 6: How are you.

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Speaker 3: I'm very well, thank you. How is this happening?

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Speaker 20: Well, ultimately, there's a lot of work that needs to

1002
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Speaker 20: be done to get these tracks up to spec. The

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Speaker 20: government's put significant funding into the complete the rail network rebuild.

1004
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Speaker 20: Our focus now is making sure that key Rail delivers

1005
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Speaker 20: on what it's saying that those delays will be at

1006
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Speaker 20: a minimum, So forty five seconds delay of approaching the

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Speaker 20: CBD from the Western line, thirty seconds approaching from the

1008
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Speaker 20: Southern line, and one minute twenty approaching on the Eastern line.

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Speaker 20: That's a lot lower than what it currently is, which

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Speaker 20: is around five and a half minute of the network.

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Speaker 20: So you expect well, I think the reality is there

1012
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Speaker 20: is a lot of work that needs to be done.

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Speaker 14: This is.

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Speaker 20: And we need to make sure that keep Rails really

1015
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Speaker 20: focused on it was I expecting it, no, But what

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Speaker 20: my job is now as the Minister of Transport is

1017
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Speaker 20: to work really closely with all the parties involved to

1018
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Speaker 20: make sure that the resources are are there, which we've

1019
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Speaker 20: done in the budget, and then to make sure that

1020
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Speaker 20: it's delivered effectively and efficiently so that we get the

1021
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Speaker 20: best possible outcome. When the City Rail Link opens sitting And.

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Speaker 3: How did we've been working on the City rail Link

1023
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Speaker 3: since twenty thirteen. How did ke we Rail not have

1024
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Speaker 3: it ready these tracks ready to go by twenty twenty

1025
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Speaker 3: six when the thing opens.

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Speaker 20: Well, I think the issue is that the rail network

1027
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Speaker 20: needs significant renewals. It's not just that the City Rail

1028
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Speaker 20: Link has been a multi billion dollar project in terms

1029
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Speaker 20: of building a new part of the rail network. This

1030
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Speaker 20: is about making sure that the tracks on the entire

1031
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Speaker 20: rest of the network can actually cope with the increased

1032
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Speaker 20: number of trains which Aucklanders are expecting. Railing is funded.

1033
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Speaker 3: However, they know that, and they know that they've had

1034
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Speaker 3: to do the work. So how have they missed the deadline?

1035
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Speaker 21: Well, they.

1036
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Speaker 20: Haven't missed the deadline yet. We're focused on making sure

1037
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Speaker 20: that they do this work before twenty twenty six. But

1038
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Speaker 20: I acknowledge Aucklands have got rail fatigue. That's the issue

1039
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Speaker 20: here is we've we're constantly being told more maintenance, more renewals.

1040
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Speaker 20: I get the frustration that Auckland does have. I've inherited

1041
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 20: this problem and my job is now to make sure

1042
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Speaker 20: that we we get as much done as possible to

1043
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Speaker 20: deliver the network benefits of this rail link promises by

1044
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Speaker 20: twenty twenty six, and that's what I'm really focused on

1045
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Speaker 20: doing and working very closely with the mayor and all

1046
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Speaker 20: other parties to make sure that that is what we deliver.

1047
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Speaker 3: So, I mean, what's going on with the Wellington Mega Tannel.

1048
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:29,439
Speaker 3: I see you guys have spent about one point six

1049
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Speaker 3: billion dollars in consultants. They've missed their deadline. I mean,

1050
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 3: is it worth actually going ahead with us because it's

1051
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 3: unlikely you're going to actually build this thing.

1052
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Speaker 20: Well, ultimately, what we're focused on is making sure this

1053
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Speaker 20: project is around delivering benefits to cars and making sure

1054
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Speaker 20: we have travel time benefits, not just making it easier

1055
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Speaker 20: to get on a bike around Wellington, which is what

1056
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Speaker 20: the last government was focused on. So we reshifted the

1057
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Speaker 20: priorities to make sure that that's what the project delivers. Yes,

1058
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Speaker 20: we've spent there's been a bit of a money spent.

1059
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Speaker 20: It's a lot less than the tens of millions spent

1060
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 20: by last government on on on their business case to

1061
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Speaker 20: make maxcycling more attractive around Wellington.

1062
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Speaker 3: You realize you're making the same mistake as them, right

1063
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 3: they made they made. This is exactly the kind of

1064
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 3: thing that they did. They'd come up with these pie

1065
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:14,800
Speaker 3: and the sky ideas that were never going to happen,

1066
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Speaker 3: and they blow heaps of money and consultants, which is

1067
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Speaker 3: basically fund consultants. This tunnel is never going to be built.

1068
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Speaker 3: It's going to be way too expensive. If you can't

1069
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Speaker 3: build an Needin's hospital to full specs, you're not going

1070
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Speaker 3: to build this. So why spend the money on the consultants?

1071
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 20: Well, I guess as I said that the project that

1072
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Speaker 20: was underway needed to have its priorities put in the

1073
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Speaker 20: right order. There's now three options which will go to

1074
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Speaker 20: the nd TA board. They'll make a determination and then

1075
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Speaker 20: a decision we made and we're going to follow that through.

1076
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Speaker 3: Have you seen mood of the boardroom?

1077
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Speaker 5: I have?

1078
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Speaker 3: How are you feeling? And number two? Number two?

1079
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Speaker 20: Oh look, I think there's I mean, there's a lot

1080
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Speaker 20: of a lot of work on my plate, but ultimately

1081
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Speaker 20: it's a privilege to serve New Zealanders which is really

1082
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 20: focused on you know, their entire cabinet really focused on

1083
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Speaker 20: getting getting things done for New Zealand across across our country.

1084
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Speaker 20: That's what we've got to do.

1085
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Speaker 3: Did you know that you were being called golden Balls. No,

1086
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Speaker 3: when did I break it to you?

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Speaker 20: I think I think you did, Heather. But look at

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Speaker 20: the end of the day, Look there's a lot of

1089
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Speaker 20: challenges across all my portfolios, and Simmy and don't.

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Speaker 3: Sound like it's a bad thing. You know who was

1091
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:17,279
Speaker 3: originally called golden Balls was David Beckham?

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Speaker 20: Well, I wasn't aware of that. But all I say

1093
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:22,799
Speaker 20: is a real focus across my portfolios. That's what I'm

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Speaker 20: focusing on.

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Speaker 3: You're the David Beckham of the cabinet. That's cool.

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Speaker 20: Thank you, Heather, thank.

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Speaker 3: You Sybb And jeez, honestly, I really how can you

1098
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Speaker 3: make this so serious of Simon Brown, the Transport Minister.

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Speaker 3: I don't I'm not going to repeat it again. I've

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00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 3: said it enough times. Right now, coming up seventeen away

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Speaker 3: from eight, Heather, the battle brewing over food, trucks and

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Speaker 3: christ Church and stuff. We're going to get to it

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Speaker 3: before eight o'clock. And also got a grim warning from

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Speaker 3: our transpower about next winter. It really isn't looking good

1105
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 3: at all. Actually, you know what to tell you what

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Speaker 3: we'll do that after the break we'll get to get

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Speaker 3: you across all those details.

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Speaker 2: News talks, b the my asking break first Show podcast

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Speaker 2: on iHeartRadio powered by News Talks.

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Speaker 3: That'd be yeah, that maybe Sam and so serious because

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00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 3: the extent of the messless countries and that's from Connell.

1112
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe maybe he's also maybe well maybe it's obviously

1113
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 3: news to him that it was a cool thing that

1114
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:16,879
Speaker 3: people said about David Beckham. So maybe he just needs

1115
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 3: to let it sink in just what an amazing compliment

1116
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:23,319
Speaker 3: this is to him. I'm really having the suffer. I'm

1117
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:25,760
Speaker 3: really trying to sell this on him. Anyway, Listen, here's

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Speaker 3: the forecast from Transpower. It's not looking good for next

1119
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 3: winter unfortunately. And you may recall we've actually managed to

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Speaker 3: get through this winter okay, but there were some concerns

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00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 3: about whether we were going to have blackouts and stuff

1122
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 3: going to be tight again next winter on the powersplot. Well,

1123
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Speaker 3: I say that we're okay. We didn't have blackouts, but

1124
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Speaker 3: then we did have to shut down part of t Y,

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Speaker 3: shut down a bunch of mills, shut down methodics to

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Speaker 3: make it through. So actually, come to think of it, it

1127
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 3: was a bit of a disaster the winter. So we're

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Speaker 3: basically in the same position next winter. We are going

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Speaker 3: to have fortunately a little bit of capacity coming on.

1130
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Speaker 3: So two hundred and fifty mega watson new generation is

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00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:04,320
Speaker 3: supposed to be commissioned, and two hundred and ninety watts

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00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 3: of megawats of new generation is expected to come back

1133
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:10,959
Speaker 3: from long term outages. So that's five hundred and forty right,

1134
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Speaker 3: But then we lose some So contact Stratford generator is

1135
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 3: going to go down for decommissioning, so that takes out

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00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 3: three thirty megawats. That leaves us with a net gain

1137
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 3: of two ten megawatts. Then of that, two hundred and

1138
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 3: five megawatts would be what the ty Point aluminium smelter

1139
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Speaker 3: take from Meridian that's been taken off the grid at

1140
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 3: the moment that's going to come back on. So two

1141
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 3: ten minters two o five. What does that leave you

1142
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 3: with five megawatts net gain? Now add into that the

1143
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 3: fact that gas has been falling every single year, so

1144
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 3: you could probably say that once you take the gas

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00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 3: out of it, we've got enough gas to go around.

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Speaker 3: Do we end do we still have five megawats, do

1147
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 3: we have none? Do we end up in the negative territory?

1148
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 3: We're going to be burning the cold. That's basically what

1149
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:53,439
Speaker 3: you need to know is when we turn the lights

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00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:55,879
Speaker 3: on next winter. We're burning the coal to be able

1151
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 3: to do it. It's twelve away from age. So the

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Speaker 3: VP of debate yesterday, but between jad Vance and Tim Waltz. Now,

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00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:04,239
Speaker 3: I'm going to ring you through the aftermath, well the

1154
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 3: wash up of that rather right, the debate. If you

1155
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:09,799
Speaker 3: watch the debate itself, what people really liked about it,

1156
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:11,919
Speaker 3: this is the American people in particular who really matter

1157
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:13,359
Speaker 3: in this is that it was civil for the most

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00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 3: part and focused on the issues. Jady Vance has been

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00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 3: regarded as a smooth operator who performed better than he

1160
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 3: had it as rallies or his previous one on one interviews.

1161
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:25,919
Speaker 3: Widely accepted that Tim Waltz had more gotcha moments, particularly

1162
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:29,320
Speaker 3: the non answer moment right about the January sixth Capitol

1163
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 3: right and whether Trump had lost the last election. Jody

1164
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 3: Vance didn't want to answer those questions, and he called

1165
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:36,919
Speaker 3: it a damning non answer. But he was also seen

1166
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 3: as a bit wobbly and unsteady at times, and, as

1167
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 3: was pointed out to me, had crazy eyes. Now I

1168
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:44,800
Speaker 3: didn't realize this. Look what are you talking about? Somebody

1169
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 3: said it was actually Ryan this morning set. Have you

1170
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 3: seen his crazy I was when I had that look

1171
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 3: at a photo, wild wild eyes. When you see that,

1172
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Speaker 3: you're not going to unsee it. The civility was appreciated

1173
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 3: very very much. They shook hands, they shook hands with

1174
00:53:57,640 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 3: the moderator and so on. Of they were very nice

1175
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 3: to each other. But the poles are what really mattered.

1176
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 3: But it's widely accept to jd Vance's one. Both the

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00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 3: CNN and Fox News polls Hadvance beating Waltz fifty one

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00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 3: forty nine. A CBSU Gov poll, and remember CBS were

1179
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 3: the ones who actually hosted the debate, had Advance on

1180
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 3: forty two percent, Waltz on forty one percent, seventeen percent

1181
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 3: saying it was a tie. People liked both candidates more

1182
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 3: after seeing them before the debate. Walt's had a favorable

1183
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:25,319
Speaker 3: view of fifty two percent of people. That went up

1184
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 3: to sixty percent afterwards. Jd vance Has numbers went from

1185
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:30,840
Speaker 3: forty to forty nine percent. On balance, you'd have to

1186
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 3: say jd Vance definitely edged it and just but when

1187
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 3: eighty eight percent of what just say the debate was

1188
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:40,320
Speaker 3: generally positive versus twelve percent saying it was negative, maybe

1189
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:41,840
Speaker 3: it was just that they liked that it was a

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Speaker 3: good day for American politics for once. How about that eleven.

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Speaker 11: Saying it comes down to the eyes, doesn't it? Because

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Speaker 11: I hear what you're saying about the crazy eyes. But

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00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 11: then Vance's eyes are also weird. He's got that whole

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Speaker 11: sort of permanent Misscara lot going on. He sort of

1195
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 11: like you somehow related to Alice Cooper.

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Speaker 3: There's also that, but there's I thought he had a

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Speaker 3: sort of like I think he has quite piercing eyes,

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00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 3: which can be they can cross over to quite evil,

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Speaker 3: can't they? Like it's quite He's got sinister eyes, isn't he.

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00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:14,360
Speaker 3: It's not to say he's a sinister person. He's just

1201
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 3: got sinister eyes. Like you'd be unnerved if you sat

1202
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 3: across the dinner table from him and he stared at

1203
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:19,880
Speaker 3: you for an hour, wouldn't you?

1204
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Speaker 11: So yeah, I don't know. I don't know who's going

1205
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Speaker 11: to come out on top of them with the eye

1206
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Speaker 11: game there?

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00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:27,799
Speaker 3: Do you like the vain guy who likes to put

1208
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 3: makeup on? At least that's how it looks all the

1209
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 3: one with the crazy eyeballs made away from it.

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Speaker 2: Heather duplessy Ellen pond they casting Breakfast with Bailey's real

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00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 2: Estate News Talk said.

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Speaker 3: Lord, we've started an eye thing hither. Jd. Vance has

1213
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 3: the best eyes. I noticed the color. He's got gorgeous

1214
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 3: blue eyes. He does have his very striking blue eyes.

1215
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 3: I think that's part of his problem is that because

1216
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 3: he's if you've read his book, he's basically like Irish

1217
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 3: Scottish blah blah blah blah. And that dark Irish look

1218
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 3: has come through in him, I think. And when you

1219
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:58,880
Speaker 3: get the contrast of the dark hair with the very

1220
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:02,399
Speaker 3: blue eyes can lookite menacing. There's where he's go It's

1221
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:04,840
Speaker 3: like you're like, you either find it really sexy or

1222
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:07,399
Speaker 3: a bit freaky, don't you here? The coal is coming

1223
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 3: in thick and fast at the moment. I've been trucking

1224
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 3: it solidly for the last two months from Auckland to Huntley.

1225
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 3: Greg I'm not even upset about that. I'm just happy

1226
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 3: to hear that we're preparing for what's gonna what's about

1227
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:21,360
Speaker 3: to hit us next winter. Six away from eight. A

1228
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:24,239
Speaker 3: little battle brewing over food trucks in christ Church. The

1229
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:26,760
Speaker 3: Arts Center wants to allow more than thirty food trucks

1230
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 3: to operate twelve hours a day, seven days a week,

1231
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 3: but that's upset the local hospo businesses. I feel like

1232
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 3: their lunch is getting cut. Central City Business Association chair

1233
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:37,320
Speaker 3: Annabel Turli is with me, Hey, Annibal, good morning. So

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Speaker 3: the basic argument here is that if you're running a

1235
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:42,399
Speaker 3: normal hospo business, you've got all the overheads, you got

1236
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 3: the rent and the rates and all that kind of stuff,

1237
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:45,720
Speaker 3: and these guys don't, and so it's unfair.

1238
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 21: Yeah, that's part of the argument.

1239
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:49,760
Speaker 3: What's the rest of the argument.

1240
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 21: Well, you know the Art Center, it's so herisage and

1241
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:55,359
Speaker 21: cultural site that starts as the university and they're trying

1242
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 21: to change it to drive through takeaways.

1243
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 3: Is it drive through a walkthrough walk through?

1244
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:05,319
Speaker 21: What's the problem with that though, Well, it cheapens it

1245
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 21: and like richer people said, he's got some lands. Does

1246
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 21: he just popped some caravans on it and release it

1247
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 21: out to retail? What's the point? But we're going to

1248
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 21: be the best city in the world, and now this

1249
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 21: is like a step backwards looking saying, oh, we're still

1250
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 21: in recovery most from the earthquake. Earthquake was over a

1251
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 21: decade ago.

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Speaker 3: Do you think, in terms of competition with the hospow

1253
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 3: business is the existing hospbow businesses. Is it actually is

1254
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 3: there much competition or is it catering to a different crowd,

1255
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 3: Like you've got the people who just walking through want

1256
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 3: a really quick snack on the walk, and then there

1257
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 3: are other people who have the time to sit down

1258
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 3: and have a nice leisurely lunch, different crowds.

1259
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Speaker 21: Well, you look at Little High, which is sort of

1260
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 21: modeled off the more like food truck, lots of different

1261
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 21: options under one roof. I've only got eight eight at

1262
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 21: Little High. Little High is quiet that I would have thought,

1263
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 21: you know, they would have, you know, eight, like eight

1264
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 21: is probably fair for the art center to have, not

1265
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 21: thirty three.

1266
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:11,440
Speaker 3: And part of the problem, obviously is the fact that

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00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 3: this is twelve hours a day, seven days a week, right,

1268
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 3: would weekends be okay?

1269
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 21: Oh definitely. And the other part of the problem is

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Speaker 21: actually our businesses are subsidizing the arts center. The Art

1271
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:24,920
Speaker 21: center gets is getting five and a half million dollars

1272
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 21: over the next ten years, and the rate differential for

1273
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 21: commercial compared to residential is a lot higher.

1274
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, So there's a.

1275
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 21: Number of arguments here. It's not just about these young

1276
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 21: like these people with food trucks undercutting the established businesses.

1277
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 21: There's a number of issues. The Art Center spent a

1278
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 21: lot of money saying it was a heritage site and

1279
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:53,479
Speaker 21: they need to save the Art Center, but now they're

1280
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:55,440
Speaker 21: cheapen it with these caravans.

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Speaker 3: Annabelle, thank you for running us through. They really appreciate us.

1282
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 3: Annabel Turly. Central city business is so siation chair personal

1283
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 3: right got John Toogod formerly of she had, he's gone solo.

1284
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:09,120
Speaker 3: He's I would I would say probably giving up the

1285
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:11,480
Speaker 3: rock and roll lifestyle. Actually, if you think about as married,

1286
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 3: he's called grown up. Now he's married, he's not boozing,

1287
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 3: he's gone solo. He's with us. Next in studio news

1288
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 3: talk said be.

1289
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:34,439
Speaker 17: Nothing nothing, nothing, nothing at all, demanding the answers from

1290
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:35,520
Speaker 17: the decision makers.

1291
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 1: Ken then duplessy Ellen on the Mike Hosking.

1292
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:42,920
Speaker 2: Breakfast with Bailey's real Estate, your local experts across residential, commercial,

1293
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 2: and rural news talks head be.

1294
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 1: You were there, now you're gone.

1295
00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 3: When you get the name of John too Good, most

1296
00:59:56,280 --> 01:00:01,160
Speaker 3: people will think she had guitars, drums, noise coming at you.

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Speaker 3: And that'll be fair enough because that obviously was a thing.

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Speaker 3: But John too Good has now gone solo properly, with

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Speaker 3: his first day of a solo album out next week

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Speaker 3: and a tour off the back of that, and he's

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Speaker 3: with us in the studio right now. Hey John, good morning,

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Speaker 3: Good morning to you. I'm well man, thank you for

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Speaker 3: coming in. How you finding being solo?

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Speaker 15: I actually find it thrilling in the same way early

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01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:24,959
Speaker 15: she Hard gigs were, because it's like, I don't quite

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Speaker 15: know what I'm doing. There's nothing to hide behind, no

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01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 15: big pa, no light show, no other members of the band.

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Speaker 3: It's just me and my guitar are made so you

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Speaker 3: do in the show's acoustic?

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Speaker 15: Absolutely, yeah, absolutely, because that's how all this stuff is written.

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Speaker 15: And I actually find it thrilling because it's you just

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Speaker 15: have to sing great, and you have to play good,

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Speaker 15: and you have to explain what the stories are about

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Speaker 15: and the songs are about, and it's a really human experience.

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Speaker 13: I love it.

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Speaker 3: Do you get any people who turn up thinking they're

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Speaker 3: going to get the sort of like loud noise, full

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Speaker 3: effect and then you know they're shocked.

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Speaker 15: Not really, because you've got to remember, I'm fifty three now,

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Speaker 15: so and so what fifty Well, a lot of a

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Speaker 15: lot of our fans of also that age, so I think,

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Speaker 15: you know, they're not crowdsurfing like they used to because

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Speaker 15: they'll probably put their back out, you know.

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Speaker 13: So yeah, I think, yeah, I don't. I think everyone

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Speaker 13: knows what they're going to do.

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Speaker 3: Do you think this is a thing. I mean, this

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Speaker 3: is always like a bit of a stereotype, But do

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Speaker 3: you think it's real that the older you get, the

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Speaker 3: more you appreciate a bit of gentle music.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, I think.

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Speaker 17: You know what.

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Speaker 15: My first album was Bob Marley Legend The Best of

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Speaker 15: Bob Marley, I mean, and that has some pretty gentle music.

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Speaker 15: I've always loved Melody, like even in she hads loudest moments,

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Speaker 15: there's always still the pop element to it because I

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Speaker 15: love I love melody, and I think because I've got

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Speaker 15: British parents, I have a lot of British music as

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01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:49,920
Speaker 15: well as American music, as well as a lot of

1339
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Speaker 15: New Zealand music. Yeah, as long as the song was good.

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Speaker 15: I mean, my favorite song is A Day in the

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Speaker 15: Life by the Beatles, you know. So you know, I

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Speaker 15: just happened to meet my bandmates when I was and

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01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:05,040
Speaker 15: listening to Metallica and Slab and that's where we started serendipity. Yeah,

1344
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Speaker 15: why did you decide to go solo? It wasn't a

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Speaker 15: decision so much as three years of COVID, I had

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Speaker 15: a lot of personal carnage. I lost my mum while

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Speaker 15: I was in lockdown in Melbourne. She died in Wellington,

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Speaker 15: so I had to say goodbye on a phone, very

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Speaker 15: traumatic for me. Then I got stuck in New Zealand

1350
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Speaker 15: on tour when the omicron happened, away from the wife

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Speaker 15: and children for three and a half months who were

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Speaker 15: back in Melbourne.

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Speaker 13: That was really tough. And then we moved back to Altero.

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Speaker 15: My brother in law got aggressive cancer and died really quickly.

1355
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Speaker 15: And then I caught COVID and got a COVID complication

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Speaker 15: which turned my to nightas, which is ringing in the ears,

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Speaker 15: which I'd had since I was twenty years old because

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Speaker 15: I was in a rock band.

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Speaker 13: But it turned it up really laud Does COVID do that?

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Speaker 13: That's what it can do.

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Speaker 15: So yeah, so it's a forty to fifty percent chance

1362
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Speaker 15: if you have pre existing tonights. If you catch COVID,

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Speaker 15: it can turn it up, and it's a long COVID thing,

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Speaker 15: so it doesn't go back down again ever. Ever, so basically,

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Speaker 15: I've had to learn how to live with it.

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Speaker 13: It was so loud, it was like a car alarm

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Speaker 13: going off in my head. You know.

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Speaker 15: I woke me up out of a dream two weeks

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Speaker 15: after catching COVID, ended up in a and E and

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Speaker 15: howick because I hadn't slept for thirty six hours.

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Speaker 13: It was nightmarish.

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Speaker 3: It would be especially Look, that would be terrible for anybody, right,

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Speaker 3: but that would be especially terrible for somebody who relies

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Speaker 3: on their ears for their right.

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Speaker 13: It's my job.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, so and also I mean, but even it was distracting,

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Speaker 15: you know, reading stories to the kids at night, you know,

1378
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Speaker 15: like I was trying to be present with my children

1379
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Speaker 15: and this rings going off in my head.

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Speaker 3: Didn't you manage it?

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Speaker 15: So basically, someone said, after I went to the Auckland

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Speaker 15: to Nighters clinic at the Auckland University, that didn't work.

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Speaker 15: I saw the top eno throat specialists Intomachi Makoto. They

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Speaker 15: gave me pre gabling, which is what they give for

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Speaker 15: people who have seizures. That didn't work, and I ended

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Speaker 15: up going to see a cognitive behavioral therapist.

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Speaker 13: And that is what actually got me right.

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Speaker 3: How does CBT help that.

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Speaker 15: Okay, So what happens because the sound is not coming

1390
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Speaker 15: from your ears, it's coming from your brain.

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Speaker 13: So what happened is I caught COVID.

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Speaker 15: I had pre existing damage to the top end of

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Speaker 15: my hearing, which is the high frequencies or that an

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Speaker 15: heat sounds, but COVID comes and suppresses your overall level

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Speaker 15: of your hearing. So my brain thought, oh, he's totally

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Speaker 15: lost that frequency at the top of his range. I

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Speaker 15: need to attenuate it up so he doesn't get eaten

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Speaker 15: by a lion. It's a real primal thing, right, So,

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Speaker 15: but so the whole thing with competent behavior therapy is

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Speaker 15: to try and tell my brain it's okay, I'm not

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Speaker 15: going to get eaten by a lion.

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Speaker 3: You can relax, and so you basically have to tell

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01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:42,080
Speaker 3: yourself this is in your head. You don't need to

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01:04:42,120 --> 01:04:44,400
Speaker 3: worry about stuff, and it actually brings it down.

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Speaker 15: Well, yeah, it's basically learning to accept that it's there

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Speaker 15: and not catastrophize about it, not to worry about the future,

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Speaker 15: because if you start, it's a tension based so if

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Speaker 15: you start thinking about it, it turns up. It's like

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Speaker 15: the whole thing about you know, if you're scared, show

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Speaker 15: the dog fear. Yeah, it'll buy you.

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Speaker 3: And so you've managed to get this thing under control.

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01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:05,160
Speaker 3: It would come back from time to time, but it's

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Speaker 3: not bothering you to the same extent.

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Speaker 13: It's there all the time, but I've learned to live

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Speaker 13: with it and I can't accept it.

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Speaker 3: And so all of the stuff that you're dealing with,

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Speaker 3: you think, what this is. I've got to deal with

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01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:15,800
Speaker 3: this by myself as a solo artist, not with a band.

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Speaker 15: So basically, the cognitive behavioral therapist said, we need to

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Speaker 15: wind your nervous system back. You can't meditate because silence

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01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:24,480
Speaker 15: is the enemy when you have tonightis but you can

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Speaker 15: do another mindfulness technique, which is playing your guitar. So

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Speaker 15: I picked up my acoustic guitar, which is the instrument

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Speaker 15: I started on when I was seven years old. My

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Speaker 15: parents bought me a three quarter sized Noylon string acoustic guitar.

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Speaker 15: It was very nostalgic for me, and I just started

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Speaker 15: playing and I was I just played and played and

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Speaker 15: all these songs just came and it was really there

1429
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Speaker 15: to try and help deal with this, you know, the

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Speaker 15: panic attacks being caused by tonightis, but then it ended

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Speaker 15: up being, Oh that was you know, I lost my mum.

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Speaker 15: That was really tough. I had it was a way

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Speaker 15: of going through that stuff and working it out. I've

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Speaker 15: always turned to music to make sense.

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Speaker 1: Of the world.

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Speaker 3: I want to talk to you about about growing up,

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01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:04,680
Speaker 3: which is basically what's happened to you. I think we'll

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Speaker 3: do it after the Breakast Hanging on the Tech thirty

1439
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Speaker 3: past eight.

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Speaker 2: The Mic Hosking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeart Radio

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01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:13,600
Speaker 2: by News Talks.

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Speaker 3: I'd be all right, we're back with John two good

1443
01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:17,600
Speaker 3: former frontman. Do I call you former frontman?

1444
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:20,280
Speaker 13: If she had or I'm still very much in she Heard? Yeah,

1445
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:22,520
Speaker 13: very much. This is just my thing that I'm doing

1446
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Speaker 13: right now.

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Speaker 3: I'm glad that you've finally cleared up after decades.

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Speaker 13: For me, it's she hard, Yeah, she had, she hard?

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Speaker 3: She had.

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Speaker 13: Yes.

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Speaker 15: We were watching the eighties movie June, which was made

1452
01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:35,120
Speaker 15: by David Lynch. It's sort of terrible but sort of cool,

1453
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:37,520
Speaker 15: and the battle, the name for the battle at the

1454
01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:40,320
Speaker 15: end was the she Heard, and we didn't realize that

1455
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Speaker 15: Frank Herbert had taken it from the Arabic term g hard.

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Speaker 13: We just thought it was a good name for a

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Speaker 13: spemintal band.

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Speaker 3: Oh and this is what was the complications?

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Speaker 15: Yes, yes, so we were basically seventeen year old Bogans

1460
01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:53,720
Speaker 15: sitting at home watching the science fiction movie going Wow,

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01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:55,320
Speaker 15: that'd be a great name for a seminal band, not

1462
01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:57,760
Speaker 15: thinking that that might have ramifications later on.

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Speaker 13: Who would have thought?

1464
01:06:58,600 --> 01:06:59,320
Speaker 3: Who could have predicted?

1465
01:06:59,600 --> 01:06:59,800
Speaker 13: I thought?

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Speaker 1: Who thought it?

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Speaker 17: So?

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Speaker 3: Which is kind of interesting that you chose that because

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Speaker 3: you've ended up actually converting yourself, Tom, haven't you I

1470
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Speaker 3: have which has caused you to grow up? Or is

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Speaker 3: it the marriage that caused you to grow up?

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Speaker 15: I mean, you know, she's my best mate, and she's

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Speaker 15: the most generous, humane, loving human being that I ever met.

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Speaker 15: And me and my atheist sort of humorless mates talked

1475
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Speaker 15: to good game of empathy, but because we were struggling artists,

1476
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:27,520
Speaker 15: held on tightly to any money that we ever had.

1477
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Speaker 15: Whereas watching her giving her last ten dollars away to

1478
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Speaker 15: the person on the street and knowing that it's not

1479
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Speaker 15: hers and it's going to come back in its own way,

1480
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Speaker 15: and trusting in the universe and watching that magic work

1481
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Speaker 15: for her, I was like, ah, I want a bit

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Speaker 15: of that in my life.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and so you got a bit of that in

1484
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Speaker 3: your life. So you got married, yep, her kids, you converted.

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Speaker 3: I mean that's pretty grown up now, do you. It's

1486
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Speaker 3: a completely different lifestyle, i'd imagine from being a hard

1487
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Speaker 3: rocker getting boosts and stuff.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, I mean I was never a massive boozehead. I

1489
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Speaker 15: mean basically we were quite nerdy. I mean rock and

1490
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Speaker 15: roll is actually Revenge of the Nerds, basically, where all

1491
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Speaker 15: the kids that got picked on because we were weirdos

1492
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Speaker 15: and sensitive and artistic, and this was our way of

1493
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Speaker 15: you know, being cool, being cool, yeah know, and also

1494
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Speaker 15: it gave us direction, you know, and gave us something

1495
01:08:14,160 --> 01:08:19,040
Speaker 15: to think about. So we were never that massive party

1496
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Speaker 15: as we were just interested in the journey of how

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Speaker 15: do you become as tight as those bands from America

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Speaker 15: and as you know, from Europe.

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Speaker 3: Which actually takes discipline and hard work.

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Speaker 13: Totally, it's all work. It's all the ten thousand hours.

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Speaker 3: So if you're watching, like so, if I'm watching the

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Speaker 3: Ozzie Osborne's of the world and the people who make

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Speaker 3: a big charade of being absolute you know, booze heads

1504
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Speaker 3: and stuff, is that just all an act? Like in

1505
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Speaker 3: order to be as big as they are Yanks, you

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Speaker 3: have to work, un't I No.

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Speaker 15: I think Ozzie definitely punished himself without a doubt, and

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Speaker 15: you know, and it's paid for it.

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Speaker 9: You know.

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Speaker 15: We toured with Black Sabbath a few years back, and

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01:08:51,200 --> 01:08:54,520
Speaker 15: you know, I just before that, I saw Bruce Springsteen

1512
01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:57,560
Speaker 15: at the Rod Laverorna same age sixty nine and he

1513
01:08:57,920 --> 01:09:00,560
Speaker 15: I watched Bruce Springsteen CrowdSurf the whole length of that

1514
01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:03,639
Speaker 15: arena three times in one night and play a four

1515
01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:07,520
Speaker 15: hour show or something. And then Ossie shuffling around backstage.

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01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:11,560
Speaker 15: I mean, that's not put on. No, no, no, that's no,

1517
01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:15,720
Speaker 15: that's that's a lot of damage. But that's you know,

1518
01:09:16,160 --> 01:09:18,679
Speaker 15: there's like going back to what I was saying earlier,

1519
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:21,720
Speaker 15: the arts attracts people who are sensitive, and it's a

1520
01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:24,439
Speaker 15: hard business to be in. So a lot of people

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01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:27,120
Speaker 15: self medicate just to get through, you know, and it's

1522
01:09:28,240 --> 01:09:31,120
Speaker 15: not realizing that it's still pain deferminent they're going to

1523
01:09:31,200 --> 01:09:32,360
Speaker 15: have to pay for that later on.

1524
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Speaker 13: And I actually find that now I'm straight. Our shows

1525
01:09:37,640 --> 01:09:41,160
Speaker 13: are much more energetic, much more intense.

1526
01:09:42,040 --> 01:09:45,599
Speaker 15: When I write, I write more honestly, and I think

1527
01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:47,280
Speaker 15: the quality of works actually better.

1528
01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:47,800
Speaker 13: Yeah.

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01:09:48,200 --> 01:09:49,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you're going to go on tour. You've actually

1530
01:09:49,720 --> 01:09:51,280
Speaker 3: got quite a few gags. A do you take do

1531
01:09:51,320 --> 01:09:52,760
Speaker 3: you do the whole family thing? To take the kids with?

1532
01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:55,559
Speaker 13: First two weekends. I'll take the whole family because it's

1533
01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:59,400
Speaker 13: up to Kenny, Keddy and Munga Pi and for them. Yeah,

1534
01:09:59,439 --> 01:09:59,880
Speaker 13: it'll be great.

1535
01:10:00,120 --> 01:10:02,639
Speaker 15: Not too far from you know, Tamakimikodo, so it's it'll

1536
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:04,360
Speaker 15: just jump in the car and because it's me and

1537
01:10:04,439 --> 01:10:05,920
Speaker 15: a guitar, I've got space, you know.

1538
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:07,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then further afield you do it yourself.

1539
01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:09,640
Speaker 13: Yeah, when we go down south, it'll just be me

1540
01:10:09,960 --> 01:10:10,960
Speaker 13: in a tour manager.

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01:10:11,160 --> 01:10:12,120
Speaker 3: Are you still enjoying it?

1542
01:10:12,360 --> 01:10:15,080
Speaker 1: I love it? Yeah so much. I love it.

1543
01:10:15,160 --> 01:10:17,960
Speaker 15: It's like it's like when I was two years old,

1544
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:20,559
Speaker 15: I used to watch the Beatles Hard Day's Night record

1545
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:23,040
Speaker 15: go around on my parents all in one record.

1546
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:25,559
Speaker 13: Player, and I was just like, that is like magic?

1547
01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:27,040
Speaker 13: How is that magic happening?

1548
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:29,360
Speaker 15: I've spent my whole life trying to find out how

1549
01:10:29,479 --> 01:10:32,599
Speaker 15: they do that, and I still love that magic trick,

1550
01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:35,320
Speaker 15: you know, and performing live is like that. It's like

1551
01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:38,760
Speaker 15: can I conjure up magic? With this room full of

1552
01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:41,280
Speaker 15: people with just this guitar in my hand and these

1553
01:10:41,320 --> 01:10:43,160
Speaker 15: stories and these songs, and you.

1554
01:10:43,160 --> 01:10:43,519
Speaker 13: Can do it.

1555
01:10:43,720 --> 01:10:44,519
Speaker 6: You know you can do it.

1556
01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:47,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, So name of the album, Last of the

1557
01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:48,960
Speaker 3: Lonely Gods, name of the single.

1558
01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:51,799
Speaker 13: The latest single is called Lost in My Hometown.

1559
01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:53,120
Speaker 3: You've got another one coming out?

1560
01:10:53,479 --> 01:10:55,679
Speaker 13: We must do there is, yeah, another one coming.

1561
01:10:55,760 --> 01:10:58,439
Speaker 3: Details to emerge, obviously, And when does the tour kack off?

1562
01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:01,799
Speaker 15: On the eleventh, which is the day the album releases,

1563
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:03,040
Speaker 15: and it's in Kitty Kitty.

1564
01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:05,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, brilliant stuff. I hope it goes very wealthy and

1565
01:11:05,280 --> 01:11:06,920
Speaker 3: it's very nice to have you in studio. John, Thank

1566
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:09,519
Speaker 3: you for coming in. I really appreciate it. John Too

1567
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:11,960
Speaker 3: Good heading off on tour very shortly. What's that eight

1568
01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:12,519
Speaker 3: days time?

1569
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Speaker 22: Right now?

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Speaker 3: Eight twenty one, The Dupless.

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Speaker 2: Ellen Von the my Cosking Breakfast with al Vida, Retirement,

1572
01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:21,440
Speaker 2: Communities News, tog sadv.

1573
01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:24,080
Speaker 3: Hither I saw John. This is John too Good and

1574
01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:26,840
Speaker 3: the Ziggy start Us show and he was absolutely brilliant. Hey,

1575
01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:30,200
Speaker 3: twenty four past late listen. I meant to mention this

1576
01:11:30,360 --> 01:11:32,080
Speaker 3: yesterday and didn't get round to it, but I am

1577
01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:35,040
Speaker 3: stoked to tell you that it looks like the public

1578
01:11:35,160 --> 01:11:39,519
Speaker 3: servants have immediately listened to Nikola Willison started going back

1579
01:11:39,520 --> 01:11:41,320
Speaker 3: to the office because the media have had a look

1580
01:11:41,320 --> 01:11:44,559
Speaker 3: at the bus patronage. Right, so this is just a snapshot.

1581
01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:47,120
Speaker 3: It's by no means a comprehensive idea of what's actually

1582
01:11:47,160 --> 01:11:49,799
Speaker 3: going on. But according to the bus numbers from Wellington,

1583
01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:52,920
Speaker 3: it shows that that pretty much the next day and

1584
01:11:53,080 --> 01:11:55,519
Speaker 3: they start going so on the day of the announcement, right,

1585
01:11:55,560 --> 01:11:58,400
Speaker 3: the announcement's made in the afternoon on a Monday. On

1586
01:11:58,560 --> 01:12:01,440
Speaker 3: the day of the announcement, that morning before the announcement,

1587
01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:04,200
Speaker 3: about the same number of bus users went into work

1588
01:12:04,280 --> 01:12:06,519
Speaker 3: that Monday as had done the Monday before. It was like,

1589
01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:08,080
Speaker 3: I didn't know what it was. It was forty four

1590
01:12:08,120 --> 01:12:10,519
Speaker 3: thousand or thereabouts, and we're basically the same kind of numbers.

1591
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Speaker 3: But the next day, the Tuesday, there was an immediate jump.

1592
01:12:13,479 --> 01:12:16,400
Speaker 3: It went from four thousand, six hundred and forty six thousand,

1593
01:12:16,439 --> 01:12:19,599
Speaker 3: eight hundred the Tuesday before to forty eight thousand, four

1594
01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:22,519
Speaker 3: hundred that Tuesday. Same for the Wednesday, you see a jump.

1595
01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:24,639
Speaker 3: Same for the Thursday, you see a jump. And pleasingly,

1596
01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:27,760
Speaker 3: my favorite day of the week, you see a jump

1597
01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:29,679
Speaker 3: on a friday, because if you're going to dick around,

1598
01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:31,360
Speaker 3: there's a friday that you're going to dick around on

1599
01:12:31,439 --> 01:12:34,439
Speaker 3: in it. So the week before forty two thousand, seven

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01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:37,160
Speaker 3: hundred public servants went in or people went in on

1601
01:12:37,240 --> 01:12:39,639
Speaker 3: the bus in Wellington, and the friday after the announcement

1602
01:12:39,680 --> 01:12:42,320
Speaker 3: that forty two thousand, seven hundred jumps to forty five

1603
01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:45,960
Speaker 3: thousand going in. Now, if that's the immediate response, can

1604
01:12:46,040 --> 01:12:48,400
Speaker 3: you imagine when they start turning the screws on in

1605
01:12:48,479 --> 01:12:50,800
Speaker 3: the business and actually forcing the end, Like the boss

1606
01:12:50,960 --> 01:12:54,160
Speaker 3: is sitting there going where's John? Where's John? On those

1607
01:12:54,280 --> 01:12:56,760
Speaker 3: days when they start making that kind of an effort, see,

1608
01:12:56,840 --> 01:12:57,680
Speaker 3: the numbers will be going up.

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Speaker 5: That's sort of a.

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Speaker 11: Problem though, we'll have to make sure the buses actually

1611
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Speaker 11: run on time again in Wellington.

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01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:05,960
Speaker 3: Well, look, in the end, this is a good point

1613
01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:07,320
Speaker 3: that you make, and in the end it's going to

1614
01:13:07,360 --> 01:13:08,880
Speaker 3: be better for everybody. It's going to be pressure on

1615
01:13:08,920 --> 01:13:11,720
Speaker 3: the bus service to improve, pressure on pressure on the

1616
01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:14,920
Speaker 3: public servants to improve, people spending money on coffees in

1617
01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:16,800
Speaker 3: the central So it's just going to work out really well.

1618
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Speaker 3: Twenty six past eight. Twitter. Now, if you use Twitter,

1619
01:13:21,479 --> 01:13:23,880
Speaker 3: you already know that Twitter sucks lately. It's something went

1620
01:13:23,960 --> 01:13:26,040
Speaker 3: wrong when Elon took over, and I can't quite explain

1621
01:13:26,120 --> 01:13:28,920
Speaker 3: what it is. It's not the levels of hatred on

1622
01:13:29,000 --> 01:13:31,479
Speaker 3: the app. It's not that because the levels of hatred

1623
01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:32,280
Speaker 3: were always there.

1624
01:13:32,439 --> 01:13:34,120
Speaker 11: Is it all the racist people and all the people

1625
01:13:34,200 --> 01:13:36,599
Speaker 11: with conspiracy theories and found it different.

1626
01:13:36,680 --> 01:13:38,559
Speaker 3: Bad crowd is now in charge, but it was always

1627
01:13:38,600 --> 01:13:41,080
Speaker 3: bad crowd in charge. Something wrong with the algorithms, like

1628
01:13:41,160 --> 01:13:42,840
Speaker 3: it's really weird you don't get served the stuff you

1629
01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:47,280
Speaker 3: actually care about. But problematic for Elon, Musk now worth

1630
01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:49,680
Speaker 3: eighty percent less than it was when he bought it.

1631
01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:51,639
Speaker 3: So when he bought it, he paid forty four bill

1632
01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:54,599
Speaker 3: for it. Now according to the investment giant Fidelity, it's

1633
01:13:54,640 --> 01:13:57,000
Speaker 3: only worth nine and a half bill. Forty four to

1634
01:13:57,120 --> 01:13:58,439
Speaker 3: nine and a half. Let's round it up to be

1635
01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:01,519
Speaker 3: nice to him and say ten. It's probably a reflection,

1636
01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:03,160
Speaker 3: by the way of the fact that the ad revenue

1637
01:14:03,160 --> 01:14:05,760
Speaker 3: has just fallen out. It's just this, It just keeps

1638
01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:09,559
Speaker 3: on falling really really badly. So anyway, that's a there's

1639
01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:13,439
Speaker 3: probably a purchase that Elon and Quieter the Night would regret,

1640
01:14:13,560 --> 01:14:15,679
Speaker 3: don't you think News is next news togs.

1641
01:14:15,680 --> 01:14:15,960
Speaker 17: They'd be.

1642
01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:35,000
Speaker 1: You're not trusted source for news and views.

1643
01:14:35,240 --> 01:14:40,480
Speaker 2: Heather Duplicy Allen on the mic asking Breakfast with a Vida, Retirement, communities,

1644
01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:41,679
Speaker 2: life your way.

1645
01:14:41,840 --> 01:14:45,000
Speaker 3: News dogs'd be those public servants going in on the

1646
01:14:45,040 --> 01:14:47,160
Speaker 3: bus were probably just going in in person to plead

1647
01:14:47,200 --> 01:14:48,880
Speaker 3: their case to be able to continue to work from home.

1648
01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:50,680
Speaker 3: You wouldn't put it past them. Would there here that

1649
01:14:50,760 --> 01:14:52,880
Speaker 3: could it be possible that there were more people that

1650
01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:55,840
Speaker 3: happened to go in every second week? So you can't

1651
01:14:55,880 --> 01:14:58,240
Speaker 3: rely on this is as isolated data which is possible.

1652
01:14:58,320 --> 01:15:01,559
Speaker 3: I mean, like, I'm assuming that many people maybe work

1653
01:15:01,680 --> 01:15:03,800
Speaker 3: three days a week from the office, but maybe it's

1654
01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:07,360
Speaker 3: three days a fortnight. Why would I require sixty percent

1655
01:15:07,400 --> 01:15:11,200
Speaker 3: in the office might only be thirty percent or zero Here,

1656
01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:13,479
Speaker 3: the problem with Twitter is I'm getting too much elon.

1657
01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:15,599
Speaker 3: He must be paying a team to tweet for him. Actually,

1658
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:17,000
Speaker 3: do you know what? That is exactly part of my

1659
01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:19,880
Speaker 3: problem as well. So what I'm interested in obviously for

1660
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:23,040
Speaker 3: Twitter would be things like New Zealand politics and what

1661
01:15:23,080 --> 01:15:24,680
Speaker 3: people are talking about in news. I'm not getting any

1662
01:15:24,680 --> 01:15:26,519
Speaker 3: of that stuff, just getting a lot of elon coming

1663
01:15:26,560 --> 01:15:29,200
Speaker 3: at me and then also some really weird random ads

1664
01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:31,760
Speaker 3: and then other Elon related content. So I think you're right.

1665
01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:33,519
Speaker 3: He's using it as a personal platform to can't of

1666
01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:36,120
Speaker 3: push himself. There's part of the problem. This's the algorithm's

1667
01:15:36,120 --> 01:15:40,360
Speaker 3: gone weird. Twenty two away from nine International correspondence with

1668
01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:43,280
Speaker 3: ends and Eye Insurance, peace of mind for New Zealand

1669
01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:46,440
Speaker 3: business and with us now out of the UK's corresponding

1670
01:15:46,520 --> 01:15:47,120
Speaker 3: Rod Little.

1671
01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:49,320
Speaker 5: Hey Rod, how do you do it?

1672
01:15:50,080 --> 01:15:50,360
Speaker 13: Okay?

1673
01:15:50,400 --> 01:15:52,639
Speaker 3: I'm very well, thank you. So this business of Kirs

1674
01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:56,040
Speaker 3: Starmer paying back the six thousand pounds, I mean that's

1675
01:15:56,080 --> 01:15:56,760
Speaker 3: not rough for that.

1676
01:15:58,720 --> 01:16:01,040
Speaker 19: I think it's incredibly were some in header, I don't

1677
01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:03,840
Speaker 19: know what's wrong with you. They only took eight hundred

1678
01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:06,760
Speaker 19: thousand pounds in three biz. I doubt see that six

1679
01:16:06,840 --> 01:16:10,360
Speaker 19: thousand pounds is a is a is a very noble effort.

1680
01:16:10,560 --> 01:16:14,560
Speaker 19: What he's done, basically is decided to pay back the

1681
01:16:14,720 --> 01:16:20,200
Speaker 19: Taylor Swift tickets, which which virtually the entire cabinet and

1682
01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:23,680
Speaker 19: his missus she went about three times, I think. So,

1683
01:16:24,120 --> 01:16:26,519
Speaker 19: so he's paying that back. He's also paying back some

1684
01:16:26,680 --> 01:16:32,600
Speaker 19: money for for his his beautiful wife's tailor rig and

1685
01:16:33,160 --> 01:16:35,560
Speaker 19: he's paid a few other things back as well, and

1686
01:16:35,720 --> 01:16:38,920
Speaker 19: he's hoping that this will draw a line under it.

1687
01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:41,800
Speaker 19: It will not draw a line under it. It will

1688
01:16:41,840 --> 01:16:47,120
Speaker 19: not come anywhere close to doing that. The I don't

1689
01:16:47,160 --> 01:16:54,000
Speaker 19: think they understood just how furious and fed up the

1690
01:16:54,080 --> 01:16:59,400
Speaker 19: British public are of politicians aligning their own pockets whilst

1691
01:16:59,439 --> 01:17:03,479
Speaker 19: in office, or indeed whilst campaigning to be in office.

1692
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:07,840
Speaker 19: It really really, given the last five six years of

1693
01:17:07,880 --> 01:17:12,679
Speaker 19: the Conservative government, particularly under Cameron and Johnson, where Crony's

1694
01:17:12,680 --> 01:17:16,400
Speaker 19: were awarded contracts and where they behaved fast and loose

1695
01:17:16,520 --> 01:17:19,240
Speaker 19: with the public purse a little bit, that Labour can

1696
01:17:19,400 --> 01:17:22,920
Speaker 19: easily outdo them within three months of being elected. So

1697
01:17:23,160 --> 01:17:25,000
Speaker 19: it doesn't draw a line under it at all.

1698
01:17:25,680 --> 01:17:27,920
Speaker 3: I see that has been a factor. Who's obviously one

1699
01:17:27,960 --> 01:17:30,320
Speaker 3: of the Labor peers is now being investigated. So what

1700
01:17:30,520 --> 01:17:32,040
Speaker 3: is he actually done wrong here?

1701
01:17:33,560 --> 01:17:37,479
Speaker 19: Well, he would argue nothing. Lord Wahi Dally has been

1702
01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:41,400
Speaker 19: a long term Labor Party donor. He's given millions and

1703
01:17:41,680 --> 01:17:44,360
Speaker 19: for those millions, people don't give millions.

1704
01:17:44,400 --> 01:17:44,880
Speaker 1: I know this.

1705
01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:48,439
Speaker 19: As a consequence of trying to raise money for the

1706
01:17:48,520 --> 01:17:52,360
Speaker 19: Social Democratic Party. People don't give money unless they have influences,

1707
01:17:52,479 --> 01:17:55,680
Speaker 19: say in some form of power, and the argument was

1708
01:17:55,800 --> 01:18:00,600
Speaker 19: that as soon as Labour took office, Lord Wai was

1709
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:03,960
Speaker 19: given a free past to number ten downing stream to

1710
01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:07,640
Speaker 19: do what exactly nobody really knows. But he's obviously been

1711
01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:10,559
Speaker 19: allowed close to the leavers of power, and he's been

1712
01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:14,439
Speaker 19: given that simply through the fact that he's bugged the

1713
01:18:14,520 --> 01:18:18,160
Speaker 19: Labor Party or people in the Labor Party hundreds of

1714
01:18:18,240 --> 01:18:21,520
Speaker 19: thousands of pounds millions of pounds in the end in donations.

1715
01:18:22,240 --> 01:18:24,920
Speaker 3: Okay, hey, listen, you've obviously been watching what's going on

1716
01:18:25,080 --> 01:18:27,160
Speaker 3: with the conference there. Who do you reckon in terms

1717
01:18:27,160 --> 01:18:29,519
Speaker 3: of the Tory leadership right, who's come out at the top.

1718
01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:32,519
Speaker 19: Well, I'm to tell you the truth. So the I'm

1719
01:18:33,040 --> 01:18:36,439
Speaker 19: I think I owe you one really because you two

1720
01:18:36,600 --> 01:18:38,960
Speaker 19: days ago were saying that James Cleverly was the name

1721
01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:42,160
Speaker 19: to what. And it's probably true that of the four

1722
01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:46,160
Speaker 19: of the force people who spoke before the party conference

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Speaker 19: and who made their pitches to the electorate and who

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Speaker 19: they will be voting on next week, that James Cleverly

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01:18:52,439 --> 01:18:55,040
Speaker 19: has probably come out of it the best of a

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01:18:55,800 --> 01:18:59,600
Speaker 19: fairly boring bunch. He's all in favor of making the

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Speaker 19: party nicer and more cheerful and better tempered and and

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01:19:04,280 --> 01:19:08,439
Speaker 19: all that sort of stuff that's rather appealed to the public,

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01:19:08,560 --> 01:19:13,600
Speaker 19: even if it won't appeal necessarily to the activists. My

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01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:16,559
Speaker 19: guess is still that if it were a straight fight

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01:19:16,760 --> 01:19:21,360
Speaker 19: now was the activists, Kenny Badanok would win. But it's

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01:19:21,560 --> 01:19:24,120
Speaker 19: probably the case that there's going to be some chic

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01:19:24,120 --> 01:19:27,920
Speaker 19: canery going on and the final runoff will be between

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01:19:28,320 --> 01:19:33,760
Speaker 19: someone like Robert Jenerick and James Cleverly. And if that's

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Speaker 19: the case, lord of those who would win.

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Speaker 3: But Rod, you were unconvinced a couple of days ago

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Speaker 3: about the intelligence that may possesses.

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Speaker 19: Yeah, yeah, I would. I would. I would concur with

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Speaker 19: my earlier.

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Speaker 3: Statements with yourself.

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01:19:53,640 --> 01:19:57,360
Speaker 19: I would, I would on this occasion agree with myself. Yes,

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01:19:57,439 --> 01:19:58,599
Speaker 19: that's right, Rod.

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01:19:58,640 --> 01:20:00,519
Speaker 3: It's good to talk to you, right, Thanks, insight, you

1744
01:20:00,600 --> 01:20:02,640
Speaker 3: go have yourself a lovely time. That's Rod Little UK

1745
01:20:02,800 --> 01:20:06,680
Speaker 3: correspondent Yet now, Okay, David Seymour I had mentioned I

1746
01:20:06,760 --> 01:20:09,320
Speaker 3: needed to talk about this earlier on. So David Seymour

1747
01:20:09,360 --> 01:20:12,559
Speaker 3: I don't think will be particularly stoked with his ranking

1748
01:20:12,640 --> 01:20:14,880
Speaker 3: in the mood of the boardroom because he's coming at

1749
01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:18,479
Speaker 3: number twelve at three point four out of five. He's

1750
01:20:18,479 --> 01:20:21,880
Speaker 3: actually been beaten by Andrew Bailey, who's at number eleven

1751
01:20:22,040 --> 01:20:24,680
Speaker 3: three point four to eight. And the pair of them

1752
01:20:24,720 --> 01:20:27,320
Speaker 3: tussle a fair bit actually in cabinet from the sounds

1753
01:20:27,360 --> 01:20:30,080
Speaker 3: of things. So it always sucks when you get pipped

1754
01:20:30,120 --> 01:20:31,880
Speaker 3: by the person who you consider to be something of

1755
01:20:31,960 --> 01:20:34,800
Speaker 3: your nemesis or your competitive I'm not saying I'm putting

1756
01:20:34,840 --> 01:20:36,680
Speaker 3: words in their mouths, see, I'm just making I'm just

1757
01:20:36,840 --> 01:20:39,920
Speaker 3: saying that they tussle, right, and if you tussle with

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01:20:40,040 --> 01:20:42,599
Speaker 3: somebody and then they beat you, well that really sucks,

1759
01:20:42,640 --> 01:20:44,519
Speaker 3: doesn't it. So anyway, David has reason to feel a

1760
01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:47,240
Speaker 3: bit stink about this today a leading director, this is

1761
01:20:47,280 --> 01:20:51,479
Speaker 3: one of the comments from the survey. Participants said David

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01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:53,800
Speaker 3: Seymour had become too extreme in his views and is

1763
01:20:53,880 --> 01:20:56,120
Speaker 3: losing support from many of those who may have voted

1764
01:20:56,160 --> 01:20:59,080
Speaker 3: for him in his electorate. This divisive approach needs to

1765
01:20:59,320 --> 01:21:03,360
Speaker 3: end well. The deviceive approach is probably the Treaty Principles Bill.

1766
01:21:03,400 --> 01:21:04,880
Speaker 3: And frankly, if I was David C why I just

1767
01:21:04,960 --> 01:21:08,839
Speaker 3: ignore it? Because I do. I do think that businesses

1768
01:21:08,880 --> 01:21:11,240
Speaker 3: in New Zealand have become far too obsessed with being

1769
01:21:11,320 --> 01:21:14,240
Speaker 3: controversy free, and David Seam was obviously not. And so

1770
01:21:14,520 --> 01:21:17,360
Speaker 3: you know in this he's obviously embracing controversy. Go for

1771
01:21:17,439 --> 01:21:19,800
Speaker 3: it if that's what he wants to do. Feeling is

1772
01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:21,960
Speaker 3: that David Seam has become too extreme in his views.

1773
01:21:23,280 --> 01:21:26,040
Speaker 3: And another which is basically repeating myself, so I apologize

1774
01:21:26,080 --> 01:21:29,800
Speaker 3: for that. But also another law firm ceo said, probably important.

1775
01:21:30,840 --> 01:21:32,800
Speaker 3: This is really the regular you know, the cutting of

1776
01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:35,880
Speaker 3: the retape, but hasn't achieved anything, mate, It's only been

1777
01:21:35,920 --> 01:21:39,080
Speaker 3: going on, Like give him a chance, Like this is unreasonable.

1778
01:21:39,080 --> 01:21:41,400
Speaker 3: They've only just started cutting redtape, hasn't achieved anyth yet.

1779
01:21:41,400 --> 01:21:42,760
Speaker 3: Because you've got to cut the retape, then you've got

1780
01:21:42,840 --> 01:21:49,880
Speaker 3: to get the benefits. Why prioritize early education, well, they said,

1781
01:21:49,960 --> 01:21:52,519
Speaker 3: like a true law firm person, isn't it right? Like

1782
01:21:52,640 --> 01:21:55,599
Speaker 3: obviously don't understand how expensive early education is for many

1783
01:21:55,680 --> 01:21:58,000
Speaker 3: many parents out there. That it's in order to get

1784
01:21:58,000 --> 01:22:00,280
Speaker 3: people back into the workforce. Pretty simple. Sixteen a Way from.

1785
01:22:00,240 --> 01:22:05,480
Speaker 2: Nine the Mike Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio,

1786
01:22:05,720 --> 01:22:08,000
Speaker 2: Howard By News talks that be Heather.

1787
01:22:07,960 --> 01:22:10,160
Speaker 3: On the public servants going back to office. I heard

1788
01:22:10,200 --> 01:22:12,400
Speaker 3: one civil servants say he couldn't afford twenty five dollars

1789
01:22:12,400 --> 01:22:14,160
Speaker 3: a lay for a day for lunch as he never

1790
01:22:14,240 --> 01:22:17,200
Speaker 3: heard of sandwiches. Thank you, peet. Tell you What I

1791
01:22:17,320 --> 01:22:19,160
Speaker 3: Love twelve away from nine Tell You What I Love

1792
01:22:19,320 --> 01:22:24,240
Speaker 3: is Kiwi business success stories for multiple reasons, obviously, like

1793
01:22:24,360 --> 01:22:26,560
Speaker 3: it's great when your own people are doing well in

1794
01:22:26,600 --> 01:22:28,439
Speaker 3: the world. It's also great that they're bringing money into

1795
01:22:28,439 --> 01:22:30,360
Speaker 3: the country. It's also great that you think, which is,

1796
01:22:30,520 --> 01:22:32,360
Speaker 3: if they can do it, our kids can do it, right,

1797
01:22:32,400 --> 01:22:34,439
Speaker 3: Like gives you a bit of hope for the future. Anyway,

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01:22:34,680 --> 01:22:37,439
Speaker 3: here's a great story for you. Trade to Phi, which

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01:22:37,479 --> 01:22:39,599
Speaker 3: is a Kiwi company, is being sold to a UK

1800
01:22:39,920 --> 01:22:42,920
Speaker 3: firm and we don't actually know the price that it's

1801
01:22:42,960 --> 01:22:45,960
Speaker 3: being sold for, but because the Overseas Investment Office is involved,

1802
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:47,679
Speaker 3: it's got to be more than one hundred million dollars

1803
01:22:47,720 --> 01:22:50,840
Speaker 3: because that's the threshold where the OIO gets involved. So

1804
01:22:51,120 --> 01:22:53,800
Speaker 3: Trade to Phi, right started from scratch, now worth one

1805
01:22:53,880 --> 01:22:57,519
Speaker 3: hundred million dollars plus plus plas. Trade to Phi is

1806
01:22:57,560 --> 01:23:01,320
Speaker 3: a back office business software outfit and the whole point

1807
01:23:01,360 --> 01:23:03,120
Speaker 3: of the thing is basically to help trades do all

1808
01:23:03,200 --> 01:23:05,040
Speaker 3: the boring stuff that they don't want to have to

1809
01:23:05,120 --> 01:23:08,200
Speaker 3: do like who does quotes and admin and bookings and

1810
01:23:08,280 --> 01:23:10,840
Speaker 3: managing jobs and that kind of stuff. And a chap

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01:23:11,240 --> 01:23:15,160
Speaker 3: called Curtis Bailey started it back in the day. He's

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01:23:15,320 --> 01:23:17,320
Speaker 3: left school by the sounds of things early to go

1813
01:23:17,360 --> 01:23:20,400
Speaker 3: and become an apprentice to become a sparky at a

1814
01:23:20,439 --> 01:23:23,000
Speaker 3: small electrical engineering company in South Auckland. And then at

1815
01:23:23,040 --> 01:23:24,360
Speaker 3: some stage he must have gone on and done his

1816
01:23:24,439 --> 01:23:27,439
Speaker 3: own business and stuff, and he got frustrated. It was

1817
01:23:27,439 --> 01:23:31,040
Speaker 3: obviously incredibly smart guy got frustrated at how much time

1818
01:23:31,080 --> 01:23:33,400
Speaker 3: he had to put himTo admin instead of doing his

1819
01:23:33,479 --> 01:23:35,320
Speaker 3: actual job. So he came up with the idea of

1820
01:23:35,400 --> 01:23:37,720
Speaker 3: trade to fire to make it easier for himself. And

1821
01:23:37,880 --> 01:23:39,519
Speaker 3: then the thing grew, and then he got a bunch

1822
01:23:39,560 --> 01:23:43,040
Speaker 3: of investment in from ice House Ventures and Steven Tindall

1823
01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:45,080
Speaker 3: and so on, and it obviously grew the business even

1824
01:23:45,160 --> 01:23:47,800
Speaker 3: more and got the professional business operator he stood down

1825
01:23:47,840 --> 01:23:50,040
Speaker 3: as the CEO, got another CEO in and the business

1826
01:23:50,120 --> 01:23:54,160
Speaker 3: kept on growing. And now Curtis Bailey, who left school

1827
01:23:54,240 --> 01:23:57,400
Speaker 3: early to become a sparky apprentice in South Auckland, is

1828
01:23:57,479 --> 01:24:01,360
Speaker 3: in line for nine million dollars at least from the sale,

1829
01:24:01,400 --> 01:24:03,439
Speaker 3: and I guess we're figuring that on the basis that

1830
01:24:03,600 --> 01:24:06,320
Speaker 3: thing sells for one hundred million dollars. So whatever however

1831
01:24:06,439 --> 01:24:08,599
Speaker 3: much it goes above that, there's more money coming at

1832
01:24:08,680 --> 01:24:11,799
Speaker 3: of even more than that Ice House Adventures. They obviously

1833
01:24:11,800 --> 01:24:14,960
Speaker 3: put a lot of money into various different outfits and stuff.

1834
01:24:15,240 --> 01:24:17,439
Speaker 3: The chief executive said that this deal was set to

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01:24:17,920 --> 01:24:22,000
Speaker 3: deliver the largest cash return in his firm's history. How

1836
01:24:22,080 --> 01:24:25,360
Speaker 3: good is that? And on that right, so this is

1837
01:24:25,439 --> 01:24:27,439
Speaker 3: not a one off if you look at what came

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01:24:27,520 --> 01:24:30,479
Speaker 3: out yesterday which says Auckland is the best city in

1839
01:24:30,520 --> 01:24:33,240
Speaker 3: New Zealand to be an entrepreneur. Apparently this according to

1840
01:24:33,280 --> 01:24:35,960
Speaker 3: research from a UK tech company sum Up, which wouldn't

1841
01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:38,080
Speaker 3: surprise you because you know that there's just a kind

1842
01:24:38,120 --> 01:24:40,280
Speaker 3: of like money making attitude about Auckland that you don't

1843
01:24:40,320 --> 01:24:43,040
Speaker 3: quite get in the other cities. It's definitely there, but

1844
01:24:43,120 --> 01:24:45,760
Speaker 3: it's a bit more widespread in Auckland. But what's cool

1845
01:24:45,800 --> 01:24:47,840
Speaker 3: about it is that we rank quite well in the

1846
01:24:47,920 --> 01:24:49,639
Speaker 3: world for this kind of stuff, right, so it looks

1847
01:24:49,680 --> 01:24:51,800
Speaker 3: at the quality of living, the number of millionaires, and

1848
01:24:51,880 --> 01:24:57,160
Speaker 3: our entrepreneurial spirit. We're thirty three on the list of millionaires.

1849
01:24:57,160 --> 01:24:59,479
Speaker 3: I think No. Thirty three on the list of everything

1850
01:25:00,120 --> 01:25:02,960
Speaker 3: best place to be an entrepreneur, thirty seventh in the world.

1851
01:25:03,240 --> 01:25:05,240
Speaker 3: For the number of millionaires, we've got about twenty three

1852
01:25:05,280 --> 01:25:08,040
Speaker 3: thousand millionaires. And a millionaire is somebody in this country

1853
01:25:08,080 --> 01:25:10,599
Speaker 3: with one point six million dollars in liquid investable wealth.

1854
01:25:10,680 --> 01:25:13,759
Speaker 3: You've got that in company holdings, cash holdings, residential property

1855
01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:16,160
Speaker 3: holdings that are debt free and so on. Then obviously

1856
01:25:16,200 --> 01:25:17,880
Speaker 3: the quality of life as we know in New Zealand

1857
01:25:17,960 --> 01:25:20,040
Speaker 3: is pretty good. But apparently, and this is the thing,

1858
01:25:20,280 --> 01:25:23,880
Speaker 3: apparently we're business hungry in Auckland. So when you look

1859
01:25:23,920 --> 01:25:26,720
Speaker 3: at the searchers for terms like how to get rich

1860
01:25:27,360 --> 01:25:30,640
Speaker 3: and how to make it in business, fifth highest in

1861
01:25:30,720 --> 01:25:32,840
Speaker 3: the world. How do you like them? Apples nine away

1862
01:25:32,880 --> 01:25:34,680
Speaker 3: from nine Heather dup se.

1863
01:25:34,720 --> 01:25:35,360
Speaker 1: Ellen on them.

1864
01:25:35,479 --> 01:25:39,479
Speaker 2: My Hosking Breakfast with the Jaguar f Base News talks edb.

1865
01:25:39,960 --> 01:25:41,400
Speaker 3: Hey, you got a couple of bits of music news

1866
01:25:41,479 --> 01:25:44,040
Speaker 3: for you, Boy George. I mean this is for obviously

1867
01:25:44,120 --> 01:25:47,800
Speaker 3: a certain demographic and then a very small segment off

1868
01:25:47,880 --> 01:25:50,679
Speaker 3: that's demographic who still wants to see boy George in person.

1869
01:25:50,760 --> 01:25:53,080
Speaker 3: But Boy George might have a little bit of trouble

1870
01:25:53,080 --> 01:25:55,439
Speaker 3: getting into the country. He's supposed to be here in January.

1871
01:25:55,960 --> 01:25:57,560
Speaker 3: But the trouble for him is that he's been in

1872
01:25:57,600 --> 01:25:59,719
Speaker 3: trouble with the law before, hasn't he Because he assaulted

1873
01:26:01,040 --> 01:26:03,000
Speaker 3: in two thousand and nine and as a result ended

1874
01:26:03,080 --> 01:26:06,400
Speaker 3: up with a fifteen month jail sentence and because of that,

1875
01:26:06,640 --> 01:26:10,280
Speaker 3: the US refused him entry. To be fair, the US

1876
01:26:10,360 --> 01:26:14,040
Speaker 3: refused to Menry I think years and years ago, but regardless,

1877
01:26:14,360 --> 01:26:16,839
Speaker 3: that's usually a bar to getting a visa in New Zealand.

1878
01:26:17,000 --> 01:26:19,720
Speaker 3: So boy George watched to see whether he gets in.

1879
01:26:19,800 --> 01:26:20,639
Speaker 3: Six away from nine.

1880
01:26:21,520 --> 01:26:26,679
Speaker 2: Trending now with Gameless Warehouse, great savings every day.

1881
01:26:26,960 --> 01:26:28,960
Speaker 3: Another piece of music news for you. The case against

1882
01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:30,880
Speaker 3: did He could be about to be blown wide open.

1883
01:26:31,240 --> 01:26:35,040
Speaker 3: His lawyer's name is Tony Busby. This chap represents the

1884
01:26:35,160 --> 01:26:38,080
Speaker 3: lawyer rather not his lawyer, because this chap represents more

1885
01:26:38,120 --> 01:26:41,599
Speaker 3: than one hundred alleged victims of Diddy. He's just had

1886
01:26:41,640 --> 01:26:43,360
Speaker 3: a press conference where he said that over the next

1887
01:26:43,400 --> 01:26:45,559
Speaker 3: month he's going to be filing lawsuits in a number

1888
01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:48,360
Speaker 3: of different states, and as part of that, he's going

1889
01:26:48,400 --> 01:26:50,200
Speaker 3: to put out a name and Shameless and he's got

1890
01:26:50,240 --> 01:26:50,800
Speaker 3: a warning here.

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01:26:51,080 --> 01:26:54,200
Speaker 22: The names that we're going to name, assuming that our

1892
01:26:54,280 --> 01:26:58,840
Speaker 22: investigators confirm and corroborate what we've been told, our names

1893
01:26:58,840 --> 01:27:03,000
Speaker 22: that will shock you. These are individual cases. There are

1894
01:27:03,080 --> 01:27:06,600
Speaker 22: indeed other perpetrators involved. They will be revealed when that

1895
01:27:06,680 --> 01:27:10,839
Speaker 22: particular individual case is ready to be filed. They already

1896
01:27:10,920 --> 01:27:14,360
Speaker 22: know who they are. And I'm talking here about not

1897
01:27:14,560 --> 01:27:17,360
Speaker 22: just the cowardly but complicit bystanders. That is, those people

1898
01:27:17,400 --> 01:27:21,759
Speaker 22: that we know watched this behavior occur and did nothing.

1899
01:27:23,000 --> 01:27:26,200
Speaker 22: And I'm talking about the people that participated, encouraged it,

1900
01:27:26,320 --> 01:27:26,760
Speaker 22: egged it on.

1901
01:27:27,640 --> 01:27:30,400
Speaker 3: They know who they are, so those would be potentially

1902
01:27:30,479 --> 01:27:31,920
Speaker 3: quite awkward. And I said I had a couple of

1903
01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:35,400
Speaker 3: pieces of music news, but actually I did maths through

1904
01:27:35,439 --> 01:27:37,400
Speaker 3: the public school system, so I can't count. So it's

1905
01:27:37,400 --> 01:27:41,439
Speaker 3: actually three. So teens and that he's an expert. Teens

1906
01:27:41,479 --> 01:27:44,840
Speaker 3: in the house are probably going to fizz if they

1907
01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:46,840
Speaker 3: haven't already heard the rumors and are about to hear

1908
01:27:46,880 --> 01:27:51,360
Speaker 3: it that apparently Charlie XCX is coming to Auckland next year. Now, Charlie,

1909
01:27:51,520 --> 01:27:53,320
Speaker 3: I know I did the thing to it. I was like, oh,

1910
01:27:53,720 --> 01:27:56,719
Speaker 3: what is that even a name? But yes, Charlie XCX

1911
01:27:56,800 --> 01:28:00,160
Speaker 3: is massive. Charlie XCX is so massive that before or

1912
01:28:00,240 --> 01:28:04,720
Speaker 3: Taylor Swift endorsed KRMLA Harris, Charlie XCX's endorsement was the

1913
01:28:04,880 --> 01:28:07,040
Speaker 3: endorsement that that KRMLA Harris has got that everybody was

1914
01:28:07,040 --> 01:28:08,920
Speaker 3: fizzing about. Now, the reason that we think that she

1915
01:28:09,040 --> 01:28:12,040
Speaker 3: might be coming to Auckland is because Lane Way, which

1916
01:28:12,080 --> 01:28:14,320
Speaker 3: is obviously that festival that runs annually in Auckland, has

1917
01:28:14,320 --> 01:28:16,680
Speaker 3: put up a big billboard I think on Ponsonby Road

1918
01:28:16,760 --> 01:28:18,719
Speaker 3: or just off Ponsonby Road, and it's just a lime

1919
01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:22,360
Speaker 3: green backboard, but just a grind lime green billboard and

1920
01:28:22,479 --> 01:28:24,680
Speaker 3: it just says lane Way on it. And this is

1921
01:28:24,760 --> 01:28:27,920
Speaker 3: important because that's a hint at Charlie XCS because our

1922
01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:31,920
Speaker 3: Charlie XCX's album is just a lime green background and

1923
01:28:32,040 --> 01:28:35,759
Speaker 3: this is her color and like weird, but her color

1924
01:28:35,800 --> 01:28:38,679
Speaker 3: the lime green. So that suggests maybe she's coming. They haven't.

1925
01:28:38,720 --> 01:28:39,040
Speaker 17: They haven't.

1926
01:28:39,280 --> 01:28:41,360
Speaker 3: That's so brad Oh that is brat.

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01:28:41,720 --> 01:28:42,320
Speaker 17: That's her word.

1928
01:28:42,439 --> 01:28:43,840
Speaker 3: So there's a color and there's a word that you

1929
01:28:43,960 --> 01:28:46,200
Speaker 3: need to know. They haven't announced. They're announcing it in

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01:28:46,280 --> 01:28:48,320
Speaker 3: six days time, but who knows. Maybe she's coming?

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01:28:48,479 --> 01:28:48,800
Speaker 17: Is this her?

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Speaker 3: I don't even know anything.

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01:28:50,920 --> 01:28:51,200
Speaker 10: There you go.

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