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The 5 00:00:24,293 --> 00:00:24,973 Speaker 3: test is over. 6 00:00:27,213 --> 00:00:29,413 Speaker 2: Goodness smoke, Oh wow, it was a beauty. 7 00:00:29,493 --> 00:00:31,533 Speaker 3: It is out and here he goes. 8 00:00:31,653 --> 00:00:34,093 Speaker 2: This delivery has in the user to Bowl. 9 00:00:36,333 --> 00:00:39,693 Speaker 1: On the Front Foot with Brian Wonnell and Jeremy Coney, 10 00:00:40,013 --> 00:00:44,493 Speaker 1: powered by News Talks head b at iHeartRadio. 11 00:00:46,293 --> 00:00:48,253 Speaker 3: Hello, nice to be back with you on the Front 12 00:00:48,253 --> 00:00:50,933 Speaker 3: Foot once again with Racine one hundred percent key. We 13 00:00:51,013 --> 00:00:54,293 Speaker 3: made paints and stains. Boy, what a week we've had. 14 00:00:54,693 --> 00:00:58,613 Speaker 3: England batted just sixty seven overs in a Nash stest, 15 00:00:59,493 --> 00:01:03,573 Speaker 3: India lose by the biggest margin by runs they've ever lost, 16 00:01:04,093 --> 00:01:07,213 Speaker 3: and our Black Cats are staying consistent. The home series 17 00:01:07,253 --> 00:01:11,333 Speaker 3: of the West Indies. Oh, we might even consider Mastermind 18 00:01:11,493 --> 00:01:15,853 Speaker 3: with Monty Panasa. What city is home for the TV series? 19 00:01:16,133 --> 00:01:16,653 Speaker 2: Cheers? 20 00:01:17,133 --> 00:01:18,373 Speaker 3: Do you know the answer to that? Fetter? 21 00:01:19,253 --> 00:01:20,693 Speaker 4: What I believe? 22 00:01:21,773 --> 00:01:22,933 Speaker 2: Yeah? I think it is Boston? 23 00:01:23,373 --> 00:01:26,293 Speaker 3: Yeah very good. Yeah, Well we'll see, we'll see how 24 00:01:26,333 --> 00:01:30,453 Speaker 3: well Monty went at that. I think it was the 25 00:01:30,533 --> 00:01:34,973 Speaker 3: old Mastermind between Monty and Steve Smith was a reminder 26 00:01:34,973 --> 00:01:37,373 Speaker 3: that you know, if you're going to pick someone off, 27 00:01:37,413 --> 00:01:39,373 Speaker 3: you've got to be very careful because you'll come back 28 00:01:39,613 --> 00:01:42,333 Speaker 3: and hit your twice as hard. And that's what happened. 29 00:01:42,493 --> 00:01:44,973 Speaker 3: Got a fun time around the ashes, but I don't 30 00:01:45,013 --> 00:01:48,533 Speaker 3: think the Ashes will be remembered by too many people 31 00:01:48,613 --> 00:01:53,253 Speaker 3: in England in particular as a fun time. What did 32 00:01:53,293 --> 00:01:56,173 Speaker 3: you make of it? Most? Did you did you manage 33 00:01:56,173 --> 00:01:58,653 Speaker 3: to fit in the nearly two days of credit? 34 00:01:59,133 --> 00:02:00,973 Speaker 5: Well, first of all, I got let down because I 35 00:02:01,053 --> 00:02:03,533 Speaker 5: had plans for Sunday and there was nothing there, so 36 00:02:03,533 --> 00:02:06,053 Speaker 5: I had to fill them with other things much more mundane. 37 00:02:06,173 --> 00:02:09,213 Speaker 5: So I'm angry as all the rest to them. But 38 00:02:10,413 --> 00:02:14,013 Speaker 5: a lot can happen in for twenty four hours. I 39 00:02:14,133 --> 00:02:16,293 Speaker 5: got a message from a good friend of mine who 40 00:02:16,333 --> 00:02:19,933 Speaker 5: was actually at the cricket on in Perth and said, 41 00:02:20,333 --> 00:02:24,333 Speaker 5: best day of cricket I've ever seen day one Englishman 42 00:02:26,333 --> 00:02:31,133 Speaker 5: and where's was just cock a hoop and whoop's next 43 00:02:31,213 --> 00:02:34,893 Speaker 5: day he's in home anyway, birds all over. I think 44 00:02:34,933 --> 00:02:38,933 Speaker 5: there's been so much said about it, but I think 45 00:02:39,613 --> 00:02:43,933 Speaker 5: we're in danger of England potentially unraveling because they go 46 00:02:44,013 --> 00:02:46,933 Speaker 5: from this, how do they pick themselves up and then 47 00:02:47,013 --> 00:02:50,133 Speaker 5: go to the Red the pickball test in Brisbane. 48 00:02:50,853 --> 00:02:51,693 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the issue. 49 00:02:51,733 --> 00:02:52,493 Speaker 4: It gets easier. 50 00:02:52,693 --> 00:02:56,533 Speaker 5: I'm really worried it could turn into something of a 51 00:02:56,653 --> 00:02:57,813 Speaker 5: route so to speak. 52 00:02:58,333 --> 00:03:02,333 Speaker 3: Who's who's responsible for picking them up? Jerry's at the coach? 53 00:03:02,413 --> 00:03:06,173 Speaker 3: Is that the captain? Is it the individuals themselves because 54 00:03:06,613 --> 00:03:08,093 Speaker 3: you know they're going to be on a hiding to 55 00:03:08,133 --> 00:03:11,213 Speaker 3: enough thing now the Australians are on fire. 56 00:03:11,853 --> 00:03:17,293 Speaker 6: All the above, I think the whole touring party ultimately, 57 00:03:17,333 --> 00:03:20,933 Speaker 6: of course, you know, crickets often been described as a 58 00:03:21,213 --> 00:03:25,013 Speaker 6: team game played by individuals, and it is. You go 59 00:03:25,093 --> 00:03:28,333 Speaker 6: out there by yourself and you have to make decisions 60 00:03:29,093 --> 00:03:33,893 Speaker 6: for yourself, you know, in discussion with other people of 61 00:03:33,933 --> 00:03:37,973 Speaker 6: course at times. But I mean, finally, are you going 62 00:03:38,013 --> 00:03:41,293 Speaker 6: to play the ball outside off stump when it's just 63 00:03:41,413 --> 00:03:44,973 Speaker 6: short of a length that has to be sought about 64 00:03:45,093 --> 00:03:50,173 Speaker 6: very carefully? For certainly for the English top order. Are 65 00:03:50,213 --> 00:03:52,053 Speaker 6: they going to play the hook with the short book 66 00:03:52,053 --> 00:03:54,733 Speaker 6: because they're going to be tested in both those areas. 67 00:03:54,333 --> 00:03:59,093 Speaker 2: Again, and you know, the Gabba is very light. 68 00:03:59,213 --> 00:04:03,013 Speaker 6: Perth actually in the first two days it bounces, it 69 00:04:03,173 --> 00:04:07,453 Speaker 6: nips a bit. It's a day night test Therefore teams 70 00:04:07,533 --> 00:04:09,933 Speaker 6: will want to bat during the day and not during 71 00:04:09,973 --> 00:04:14,093 Speaker 6: the twilights and when the lights are on. Stark is 72 00:04:14,133 --> 00:04:16,733 Speaker 6: a very good if you look at his he's got 73 00:04:16,773 --> 00:04:19,813 Speaker 6: something like eighty odd wickets at sixteen or something like 74 00:04:19,853 --> 00:04:22,173 Speaker 6: that for the pink ball Test, so he's one of 75 00:04:22,213 --> 00:04:26,053 Speaker 6: the better bowlers with using the pink ball. So it's 76 00:04:26,093 --> 00:04:30,253 Speaker 6: not going to be easy. But they have to really 77 00:04:30,493 --> 00:04:34,813 Speaker 6: just dig in a bit, don't they. You can't. I 78 00:04:34,853 --> 00:04:37,613 Speaker 6: don't know why you think you can just play one way. 79 00:04:37,693 --> 00:04:41,013 Speaker 6: Cricket is a multi dimensional at thank heavens it is. 80 00:04:41,053 --> 00:04:43,293 Speaker 6: That's one of the beauties of the game, isn't it. 81 00:04:44,053 --> 00:04:48,973 Speaker 6: And you can't just approach whatever you're playing on exactly 82 00:04:49,053 --> 00:04:52,213 Speaker 6: the same way and you. 83 00:04:52,253 --> 00:04:53,093 Speaker 2: Get caught out. 84 00:04:53,813 --> 00:04:58,013 Speaker 6: And it's really nice to see the South African side 85 00:04:58,693 --> 00:05:04,773 Speaker 6: using and employing an entirely different method and having truckloads 86 00:05:04,813 --> 00:05:12,333 Speaker 6: of success doing that in unfamiliar conditions to them, and 87 00:05:13,133 --> 00:05:16,733 Speaker 6: showing that that it's possible to bat different ways and 88 00:05:16,773 --> 00:05:21,333 Speaker 6: still get very good results. You don't need to over 89 00:05:21,653 --> 00:05:26,653 Speaker 6: entertain people in the ashes, and no one was being 90 00:05:26,813 --> 00:05:28,013 Speaker 6: entertained on day three. 91 00:05:29,653 --> 00:05:31,293 Speaker 3: Star hosting a lot of money. 92 00:05:31,613 --> 00:05:33,693 Speaker 2: Well that's another issue. Altogether. 93 00:05:33,733 --> 00:05:37,493 Speaker 6: I hope the players recognize. I mean it sounded at times, 94 00:05:37,493 --> 00:05:39,333 Speaker 6: I don't know what you felt, guys, it sounded like 95 00:05:39,373 --> 00:05:40,493 Speaker 6: they were playing in England. 96 00:05:41,053 --> 00:05:42,973 Speaker 2: That's how good the support. 97 00:05:42,853 --> 00:05:46,093 Speaker 6: Was from the Barmi Army and all the rest of 98 00:05:46,093 --> 00:05:50,093 Speaker 6: the England you know, fans going out there. It's eye 99 00:05:50,333 --> 00:05:52,733 Speaker 6: watering sums to get out there. 100 00:05:52,933 --> 00:05:55,253 Speaker 3: And it seems like fifty to fifty in terms of 101 00:05:55,653 --> 00:05:59,213 Speaker 3: public that. You know, the English flags. Everybody takes their flag, 102 00:05:59,253 --> 00:06:02,133 Speaker 3: don't they wherever they're from, they hang them overside and 103 00:06:02,213 --> 00:06:06,413 Speaker 3: the noise was immense from England, well for a short 104 00:06:06,533 --> 00:06:10,693 Speaker 3: period of time anyway. But I take your point, and 105 00:06:11,053 --> 00:06:13,173 Speaker 3: most I think it's it's it's a fair point too 106 00:06:13,253 --> 00:06:16,933 Speaker 3: about having to be able to change that. The Harry 107 00:06:16,973 --> 00:06:21,133 Speaker 3: Brook that's the way I play doesn't cut it in 108 00:06:21,293 --> 00:06:24,093 Speaker 3: every Test match that you play, and it's that's the 109 00:06:24,173 --> 00:06:24,933 Speaker 3: beauty of the game. 110 00:06:24,973 --> 00:06:27,533 Speaker 5: As Jerry says, I'd reflected on it a bit and 111 00:06:28,053 --> 00:06:31,693 Speaker 5: you're so right. What seems to be lacking is is 112 00:06:32,253 --> 00:06:36,293 Speaker 5: the plan now if I'm England one of my major 113 00:06:36,333 --> 00:06:39,573 Speaker 5: threats clearly at this point the last Test was stark. 114 00:06:39,893 --> 00:06:44,533 Speaker 5: He was he was going to be a handful wasn't 115 00:06:44,733 --> 00:06:48,413 Speaker 5: there a plan somewhere to actually, if he's going to bowl, 116 00:06:49,053 --> 00:06:52,053 Speaker 5: get him, get him bowling clearly of overs, especially in 117 00:06:52,093 --> 00:06:53,213 Speaker 5: Test and Test one. 118 00:06:53,893 --> 00:06:54,533 Speaker 4: When was that? 119 00:06:54,853 --> 00:06:57,093 Speaker 5: Why weren't there thinking about that? The more he bowls 120 00:06:57,133 --> 00:07:00,893 Speaker 5: those pace comes off all of a sudden, he's got 121 00:07:00,893 --> 00:07:03,853 Speaker 5: a bowl closer to you rather than just outside off. 122 00:07:04,813 --> 00:07:07,973 Speaker 5: There didn't seem to be any any idea or strategy 123 00:07:07,973 --> 00:07:11,173 Speaker 5: around how do we actually go out and witness? Yes, 124 00:07:11,213 --> 00:07:14,013 Speaker 5: if it's up and we want to flog it, that's fine, 125 00:07:14,093 --> 00:07:18,933 Speaker 5: but there's no plan around that. So that's that's what 126 00:07:19,013 --> 00:07:21,733 Speaker 5: surprised him, because these are not stupid people. I mean, 127 00:07:21,773 --> 00:07:26,213 Speaker 5: mcarm's a smart fellow, and so Stokes, so is Joe Rude. 128 00:07:26,773 --> 00:07:30,453 Speaker 5: It just that's what gets me. And and how are 129 00:07:30,493 --> 00:07:32,853 Speaker 5: we going to winness? Take Stark out of the game 130 00:07:32,893 --> 00:07:35,773 Speaker 5: surely is a good start, and then you know, whoever 131 00:07:35,813 --> 00:07:37,613 Speaker 5: else it might be, how are we going to deal 132 00:07:37,653 --> 00:07:40,133 Speaker 5: with Travis Head? I mean, by god, no one has 133 00:07:40,173 --> 00:07:43,693 Speaker 5: spoken about that innings. That was just something special, wasn't it. 134 00:07:44,053 --> 00:07:46,133 Speaker 5: He just literally he was the one guy who could 135 00:07:46,133 --> 00:07:47,733 Speaker 5: take it away from him, and he did, didn't he 136 00:07:48,093 --> 00:07:48,493 Speaker 5: quite well? 137 00:07:48,493 --> 00:07:50,933 Speaker 3: He gave him, He gave himself some time though, didn't 138 00:07:50,933 --> 00:07:54,133 Speaker 3: he He allowed himself the time to get settled and 139 00:07:54,453 --> 00:07:57,213 Speaker 3: we know how he plays, but he didn't do it 140 00:07:57,253 --> 00:08:00,813 Speaker 3: from Baar one. He got into it and got some 141 00:08:00,893 --> 00:08:04,373 Speaker 3: good support from Lavashine, which would be a delight for 142 00:08:04,413 --> 00:08:06,613 Speaker 3: the Ossies because they need him in some form batting 143 00:08:06,653 --> 00:08:08,853 Speaker 3: at number three. They've got problem was at the top 144 00:08:08,893 --> 00:08:12,013 Speaker 3: of the order themselves here, haven't they. I mean Osmond Kwaja, 145 00:08:13,213 --> 00:08:15,493 Speaker 3: he's Australian Zach Crawley, isn't he? 146 00:08:15,533 --> 00:08:17,013 Speaker 2: Now? You know. 147 00:08:18,613 --> 00:08:23,453 Speaker 6: He didn't even open once. He didn't even open. I 148 00:08:23,453 --> 00:08:25,973 Speaker 6: mean England had a lot going for them, didn't they. 149 00:08:26,613 --> 00:08:29,413 Speaker 6: I mean really, no, Cummins and Hazel were There's six 150 00:08:29,493 --> 00:08:34,813 Speaker 6: hundred Test wickets openers that didn't open. Two other players 151 00:08:34,853 --> 00:08:39,293 Speaker 6: on debut. You know you've got a lot going for 152 00:08:39,333 --> 00:08:42,173 Speaker 6: you there. I was a little surprised. And then what 153 00:08:42,213 --> 00:08:49,573 Speaker 6: you guys thought? They picked five place bowlers England. They 154 00:08:49,613 --> 00:08:54,053 Speaker 6: won the toss and battered. Now that hasn't been England's way. 155 00:08:54,973 --> 00:08:59,373 Speaker 6: Let's be quite clear about that. They like to chase 156 00:09:00,533 --> 00:09:03,453 Speaker 6: because of their batting style. They like knowing the target 157 00:09:03,933 --> 00:09:07,613 Speaker 6: and they like chasing. They have done that consistently for 158 00:09:07,693 --> 00:09:10,453 Speaker 6: two or three years now. I'm not saying there was 159 00:09:10,493 --> 00:09:14,133 Speaker 6: anything in the pitch particularly it nibbled a bit. Yes, 160 00:09:14,253 --> 00:09:18,333 Speaker 6: it nipped as you'd expect, and it bounced and it was. 161 00:09:18,373 --> 00:09:21,733 Speaker 2: Quite quick for them. And they'd been practicing on Lilac hurl, 162 00:09:21,773 --> 00:09:23,253 Speaker 2: which is a slow, low pitch. 163 00:09:24,533 --> 00:09:28,853 Speaker 6: That's nonsense actually to prepare like that, But however that's 164 00:09:28,853 --> 00:09:29,413 Speaker 6: what they did. 165 00:09:30,173 --> 00:09:32,093 Speaker 2: But I was just a wee bit surprised. 166 00:09:32,133 --> 00:09:36,173 Speaker 6: They already, I mean, probably their best bowler was really 167 00:09:37,053 --> 00:09:41,373 Speaker 6: over the last couple of years as Ben Stokes, and 168 00:09:41,573 --> 00:09:44,373 Speaker 6: he was he bowled number five. He came in in 169 00:09:44,453 --> 00:09:47,453 Speaker 6: about the twenty ninth to thirty year is over. If 170 00:09:47,453 --> 00:09:49,453 Speaker 6: he had bowled a bit earlier and they only had 171 00:09:49,533 --> 00:09:53,013 Speaker 6: four bowlers, they might have got him out quicker. 172 00:09:53,053 --> 00:09:57,093 Speaker 2: Who knows, I mean, would they not have been better? 173 00:09:57,213 --> 00:10:00,573 Speaker 2: Perhaps this is where they go all out. 174 00:10:00,373 --> 00:10:04,573 Speaker 6: For something, isn't it. Why couldn't they pick Jamie Smith 175 00:10:05,013 --> 00:10:08,093 Speaker 6: as again to give them an extra batsman. Runs were 176 00:10:08,093 --> 00:10:12,133 Speaker 6: going to be the key commodity that they required in 177 00:10:12,213 --> 00:10:15,173 Speaker 6: the first Test, And why didn't they pick him at 178 00:10:15,253 --> 00:10:18,773 Speaker 6: number eight and bowl a few little spinovers. 179 00:10:18,173 --> 00:10:18,813 Speaker 2: If he had to? 180 00:10:20,053 --> 00:10:23,133 Speaker 6: I think they that just seemed to be a very 181 00:10:23,173 --> 00:10:26,813 Speaker 6: different way of going about the mantra that Dave and 182 00:10:26,893 --> 00:10:31,053 Speaker 6: a mattra that they've had we will chase. Would only 183 00:10:31,093 --> 00:10:35,173 Speaker 6: bold eleven overs, That's not many in a match. Arch, 184 00:10:35,213 --> 00:10:38,413 Speaker 6: You're only bold seventeen. That's not many in a match 185 00:10:38,453 --> 00:10:42,373 Speaker 6: for your two key bowlers. I just thought there was 186 00:10:42,413 --> 00:10:44,493 Speaker 6: a bit of a sort of that seemed to be 187 00:10:44,533 --> 00:10:47,093 Speaker 6: an odd thing to do for me. When is the 188 00:10:47,133 --> 00:10:51,333 Speaker 6: pitch most likely to do something for you? And those 189 00:10:51,453 --> 00:10:56,373 Speaker 6: pictures tend, if anything, to be a little bit green 190 00:10:56,413 --> 00:11:00,013 Speaker 6: at the start and then ease off and get slightly 191 00:11:00,093 --> 00:11:01,573 Speaker 6: easier throughout the match. 192 00:11:02,133 --> 00:11:02,973 Speaker 2: We all know that. 193 00:11:03,933 --> 00:11:08,093 Speaker 6: So I just have a little question about that decision 194 00:11:08,453 --> 00:11:11,373 Speaker 6: arly on, as well as some of the other things 195 00:11:11,453 --> 00:11:14,973 Speaker 6: about the way they went about playing. I hope no 196 00:11:15,053 --> 00:11:18,373 Speaker 6: problem about the intent. We saw that from Travis Head. 197 00:11:18,653 --> 00:11:21,093 Speaker 6: He got the intent, but he got himself in first 198 00:11:21,573 --> 00:11:24,853 Speaker 6: the fact that it was the English batsman made very 199 00:11:24,893 --> 00:11:29,213 Speaker 6: poor choices about which balls to attack and show their 200 00:11:29,293 --> 00:11:30,293 Speaker 6: intent upon. 201 00:11:31,013 --> 00:11:31,253 Speaker 2: Yeah. 202 00:11:31,333 --> 00:11:34,653 Speaker 3: The other interesting point too is now they've got such 203 00:11:34,693 --> 00:11:37,893 Speaker 3: a gap between the two Test matches, they're not really 204 00:11:37,973 --> 00:11:41,773 Speaker 3: doing anything that will harden them up for a pink 205 00:11:41,853 --> 00:11:45,613 Speaker 3: ball test. They've turned down the opportunity of playing against 206 00:11:45,653 --> 00:11:48,893 Speaker 3: the Prime Minister eleven. Okay, that's Canberra. It's slightly different 207 00:11:48,973 --> 00:11:51,693 Speaker 3: than the Gabba. But I would think, or I would 208 00:11:51,733 --> 00:11:55,693 Speaker 3: have thought, tell everyone wrong, that you take opportunities to 209 00:11:55,773 --> 00:12:00,133 Speaker 3: play some tough cricket rather than just nets. I know 210 00:12:00,213 --> 00:12:02,733 Speaker 3: nets are important, but if you get an opportunity to 211 00:12:02,733 --> 00:12:05,373 Speaker 3: play a pink ball game against a side that wants 212 00:12:05,373 --> 00:12:08,053 Speaker 3: to come at you, don't you take that instead of 213 00:12:08,093 --> 00:12:10,173 Speaker 3: three players? You aren't even in the Test match post. 214 00:12:10,813 --> 00:12:14,453 Speaker 4: I would have thought, so that the question is what 215 00:12:14,493 --> 00:12:15,093 Speaker 4: are they doing? 216 00:12:15,653 --> 00:12:18,653 Speaker 5: It's a real head scratcher for me because and you're right, 217 00:12:18,733 --> 00:12:21,373 Speaker 5: Jerry about that when when Stocktures would have a bat, 218 00:12:21,413 --> 00:12:23,813 Speaker 5: when I was watching that, I'd love to see the 219 00:12:23,813 --> 00:12:27,493 Speaker 5: first ball of a Test match always, I thought, really 220 00:12:28,013 --> 00:12:30,413 Speaker 5: really are So there's there's a few things in there 221 00:12:30,413 --> 00:12:33,853 Speaker 5: that I'm just wondering what's going on in the back room, 222 00:12:34,013 --> 00:12:37,333 Speaker 5: and who's who's doing the planning year, Who's who's developed 223 00:12:37,373 --> 00:12:39,293 Speaker 5: a strategy of what we're going to do. 224 00:12:39,333 --> 00:12:40,053 Speaker 4: I don't know. 225 00:12:40,613 --> 00:12:45,733 Speaker 5: And I agree with you playing pink balls you plant 226 00:12:45,813 --> 00:12:47,733 Speaker 5: once a year if you're lucky. So they're not. They're 227 00:12:47,773 --> 00:12:50,173 Speaker 5: not even used to that are they so I would 228 00:12:50,213 --> 00:12:53,373 Speaker 5: have thought that was an absolute yes, get three days 229 00:12:53,413 --> 00:12:55,973 Speaker 5: cricket in against against the pink ball, at least prepare 230 00:12:56,013 --> 00:12:56,333 Speaker 5: for it. 231 00:12:57,373 --> 00:13:00,253 Speaker 6: Well, if you're only bowling eleven overs and seventeen overs, 232 00:13:00,293 --> 00:13:03,133 Speaker 6: you really don't need them, do you, unless they're just 233 00:13:03,213 --> 00:13:08,853 Speaker 6: so cleaning them up in that time. Clearly they feel 234 00:13:09,253 --> 00:13:14,933 Speaker 6: whatds the value and the concept of freshness is more 235 00:13:15,013 --> 00:13:19,493 Speaker 6: valuable than going out and getting game practice, you know. 236 00:13:19,693 --> 00:13:24,493 Speaker 6: That's that's to me, that seems to be what they want. 237 00:13:25,333 --> 00:13:27,853 Speaker 6: I'm all for fitting in the most training for the 238 00:13:27,893 --> 00:13:31,773 Speaker 6: shortest amount of time. I think that's that's the way 239 00:13:31,813 --> 00:13:34,933 Speaker 6: you want to practice, where you go very hard and 240 00:13:34,973 --> 00:13:39,613 Speaker 6: in a thoughtful and a sensible kind of way, and 241 00:13:39,653 --> 00:13:42,373 Speaker 6: you've decided the sorts of things that you need to 242 00:13:42,453 --> 00:13:45,973 Speaker 6: be working on. I need to know where my off stumpers, 243 00:13:46,493 --> 00:13:50,973 Speaker 6: those kinds of things, and you make sure that that 244 00:13:51,733 --> 00:13:57,493 Speaker 6: you're practicing those those matters. But you do need game time. 245 00:13:57,853 --> 00:14:00,893 Speaker 6: There's a difference between practicing and game time. You can 246 00:14:00,933 --> 00:14:03,093 Speaker 6: get bold and many times you like, and the nets 247 00:14:03,213 --> 00:14:05,453 Speaker 6: can't you Absolutely. 248 00:14:05,413 --> 00:14:08,653 Speaker 3: Well, the situation is such that we know that this 249 00:14:08,893 --> 00:14:11,253 Speaker 3: England side is still a pretty good side. They've got 250 00:14:11,613 --> 00:14:15,613 Speaker 3: performances behind them to back them up. They were always 251 00:14:15,653 --> 00:14:18,813 Speaker 3: going to be a chance to fall over against a 252 00:14:18,933 --> 00:14:20,973 Speaker 3: very good Australian side. Well, I just think that this 253 00:14:21,093 --> 00:14:25,573 Speaker 3: is a fairly modest Australian side preparing comparing with what 254 00:14:25,613 --> 00:14:30,213 Speaker 3: they've had in the past. Can things change by the 255 00:14:30,253 --> 00:14:33,093 Speaker 3: next Test match? Bearing in mind we've talked about the Gabba, 256 00:14:33,133 --> 00:14:35,293 Speaker 3: which is a tough ground for England on. It's a 257 00:14:35,333 --> 00:14:39,533 Speaker 3: pink ball test. It's not a skill factor that there's 258 00:14:39,573 --> 00:14:41,613 Speaker 3: going to be tested. It's the mental factor, isn't it 259 00:14:41,613 --> 00:14:44,413 Speaker 3: most that's going to be tested in the England. 260 00:14:44,053 --> 00:14:49,373 Speaker 5: Side completely And I agree with you all your summation there, 261 00:14:49,933 --> 00:14:51,373 Speaker 5: But I think I made the point a little bit 262 00:14:51,373 --> 00:14:54,773 Speaker 5: earlier where I was I'm just concerned that this could 263 00:14:54,853 --> 00:14:58,373 Speaker 5: unravel because all of a sudden, if they were ever 264 00:14:58,413 --> 00:15:00,053 Speaker 5: going to have a good great opportunity was in that 265 00:15:00,133 --> 00:15:03,613 Speaker 5: last test. As Jerry pointed out, start with your main 266 00:15:03,693 --> 00:15:08,773 Speaker 5: bowl of two debutantes, a top order which is pretty 267 00:15:08,853 --> 00:15:14,133 Speaker 5: much missing an action particularly Kaja. Australia're only going to 268 00:15:14,133 --> 00:15:17,533 Speaker 5: get better and are more used to playing people tests. 269 00:15:17,933 --> 00:15:22,173 Speaker 5: I think I think we end up to Australia. 270 00:15:23,813 --> 00:15:27,693 Speaker 6: Yeah, Well, that's really hard then Moose, isn't it having 271 00:15:27,773 --> 00:15:30,173 Speaker 6: lost that England have won? 272 00:15:30,933 --> 00:15:33,533 Speaker 2: What did you tell me one test in the. 273 00:15:33,573 --> 00:15:37,853 Speaker 6: Last was it fifteen or sixteen? 274 00:15:38,093 --> 00:15:38,293 Speaker 4: Yeah? 275 00:15:38,693 --> 00:15:41,253 Speaker 6: Well now they now they've got to win three out 276 00:15:41,293 --> 00:15:46,413 Speaker 6: of the last four. Now those maths aren't good if 277 00:15:46,453 --> 00:15:50,533 Speaker 6: you're if you're part of England. But actually I agree 278 00:15:50,573 --> 00:15:54,213 Speaker 6: with you too, there Moose, on a paper, this side 279 00:15:54,253 --> 00:15:57,173 Speaker 6: looks a pretty good side, This England side really, to 280 00:15:57,253 --> 00:16:00,053 Speaker 6: be honest with you, you go down the list and 281 00:16:00,173 --> 00:16:03,693 Speaker 6: given that, you'd have to say there actual results on 282 00:16:03,853 --> 00:16:10,093 Speaker 6: grass are pretty average and and you know there's the 283 00:16:10,093 --> 00:16:14,253 Speaker 6: odd remarkable one here and there that obviously you know 284 00:16:14,973 --> 00:16:18,693 Speaker 6: that they stick with. But there are so many in 285 00:16:18,773 --> 00:16:22,813 Speaker 6: which they implode trying to force their hand with hyper 286 00:16:22,853 --> 00:16:28,853 Speaker 6: aggressive batting. I mean it rarely wins series, it won't 287 00:16:28,853 --> 00:16:32,933 Speaker 6: win the ashes, and it's not saving cricket either. So 288 00:16:33,453 --> 00:16:39,493 Speaker 6: I see all those issues that they speak about. I'll 289 00:16:39,533 --> 00:16:41,253 Speaker 6: go the South African way every time. 290 00:16:41,333 --> 00:16:45,653 Speaker 3: Thanks, Yes, indeed, And they certainly have done the business 291 00:16:45,653 --> 00:16:48,853 Speaker 3: in India tool and India can't play at home litt 292 00:16:48,853 --> 00:16:52,413 Speaker 3: alone play overseas iliven we would do some of the 293 00:16:52,533 --> 00:16:56,933 Speaker 3: English experts. Former captain Alex Stewart said he understands England's 294 00:16:57,173 --> 00:17:01,373 Speaker 3: decision to stick to their guns over the President's game 295 00:17:02,133 --> 00:17:06,453 Speaker 3: at Canberra. It's a day night game, pink ball, and 296 00:17:07,093 --> 00:17:09,813 Speaker 3: he says that from his point of view, when you're 297 00:17:09,813 --> 00:17:13,373 Speaker 3: in the inner sanctum, stick to your guns. That's Alex 298 00:17:13,413 --> 00:17:17,173 Speaker 3: Stewart's point of view. Michael Vaughan and Jonathan agnew and 299 00:17:17,253 --> 00:17:20,493 Speaker 3: in their columns have been scathing in their criticism and 300 00:17:20,493 --> 00:17:24,533 Speaker 3: I'll leave the last word to Sir Jeffrey. I cannot 301 00:17:24,573 --> 00:17:30,293 Speaker 3: take the stupid England team seriously anymore. Before the series started, 302 00:17:30,333 --> 00:17:33,053 Speaker 3: Ben Stokes told the world that any ex player who 303 00:17:33,093 --> 00:17:37,173 Speaker 3: criticized them or had a different opinion were has beens 304 00:17:37,453 --> 00:17:40,733 Speaker 3: because Test cricket had changed in the past, was irrelevant. 305 00:17:41,133 --> 00:17:44,333 Speaker 3: They never learned because they never listened to anyone outside 306 00:17:44,373 --> 00:17:49,653 Speaker 3: their own bubble, because they truly believe their own publicity. Wow, 307 00:17:50,013 --> 00:17:55,693 Speaker 3: I could imagine that from Jeffrey. That's that the harsh words, 308 00:17:56,093 --> 00:17:59,293 Speaker 3: the harsh reality for the England team as they head 309 00:17:59,333 --> 00:18:04,013 Speaker 3: off to the Gabba, a place where you remember with fondness, Jerry, 310 00:18:04,093 --> 00:18:06,373 Speaker 3: you want a Test match there? And the New Zealand 311 00:18:06,373 --> 00:18:10,573 Speaker 3: performed brilliantly back in nineteen eighty six. We've had it previously, 312 00:18:10,613 --> 00:18:14,973 Speaker 3: have you just recently in terms of remember this so 313 00:18:15,613 --> 00:18:18,013 Speaker 3: you know as well as anybody what the gap is 314 00:18:18,053 --> 00:18:20,653 Speaker 3: going to be like. The stands might be a little 315 00:18:20,653 --> 00:18:23,253 Speaker 3: bit different, but the ground will be pretty much the 316 00:18:23,253 --> 00:18:23,813 Speaker 3: same way. 317 00:18:25,093 --> 00:18:28,013 Speaker 2: I would have thought so, and more particularly the pitch. 318 00:18:29,253 --> 00:18:35,533 Speaker 6: And it will be as bouncy and also the ball 319 00:18:36,093 --> 00:18:40,613 Speaker 6: as we know in Australia in particular, it does move 320 00:18:40,653 --> 00:18:46,533 Speaker 6: around for the pink ball and during under lights, so 321 00:18:47,573 --> 00:18:52,973 Speaker 6: it's not going to be an easy assignment for England. Look, 322 00:18:53,093 --> 00:18:57,093 Speaker 6: all they can do really is do it better. All 323 00:18:57,133 --> 00:19:01,213 Speaker 6: they can do is make better judgments which balls am 324 00:19:01,293 --> 00:19:02,533 Speaker 6: I going to attack? 325 00:19:03,893 --> 00:19:04,773 Speaker 2: Which balls are? 326 00:19:04,893 --> 00:19:08,133 Speaker 6: Or let it go and when they get into a 327 00:19:08,333 --> 00:19:11,493 Speaker 6: position of ascendancy as they did in that last match, 328 00:19:13,213 --> 00:19:14,213 Speaker 6: that's when you nail it. 329 00:19:15,253 --> 00:19:20,053 Speaker 2: Yep, And they didn't. They took it as a license 330 00:19:20,133 --> 00:19:21,973 Speaker 2: to do more of what they do. 331 00:19:23,853 --> 00:19:27,293 Speaker 3: Yes, and hope for a different outcome, which is the 332 00:19:27,333 --> 00:19:30,573 Speaker 3: definition of well, isn't it stupid? I think something wrong. 333 00:19:32,853 --> 00:19:33,573 Speaker 2: You're going back to. 334 00:19:37,013 --> 00:19:39,493 Speaker 5: Indeed, much as much as I would like to disagree 335 00:19:39,493 --> 00:19:48,573 Speaker 5: with Geoffrey and I find him a contakerous really, but 336 00:19:49,933 --> 00:19:52,893 Speaker 5: I've got nothing to nothing else stand. I think he's right, 337 00:19:54,133 --> 00:19:56,493 Speaker 5: you know, and I wouldn't say that very often. 338 00:19:56,213 --> 00:20:00,853 Speaker 3: But well, I wonder whether the test there is here 339 00:20:00,853 --> 00:20:03,053 Speaker 3: in New Zealand is going to create the sort of 340 00:20:03,093 --> 00:20:07,053 Speaker 3: discussion that the Ashes test that lasted less than two days, 341 00:20:07,053 --> 00:20:11,693 Speaker 3: but a predictable in New Zealand's they haven't got Phillips Jamison. 342 00:20:11,693 --> 00:20:13,813 Speaker 3: They're giving time to prepare, see as o roork and 343 00:20:13,853 --> 00:20:16,693 Speaker 3: Fish of their fast bowlers are injured, so they've had 344 00:20:16,733 --> 00:20:21,213 Speaker 3: to go for the predictable. I'll put my test team 345 00:20:21,853 --> 00:20:25,173 Speaker 3: argue with me if you will. I'm leaving out Bracewell, 346 00:20:25,213 --> 00:20:28,493 Speaker 3: I'm leaving out Young, and I'm leaving out Tickner. How 347 00:20:28,533 --> 00:20:30,093 Speaker 3: does that sound, Jerry. 348 00:20:30,093 --> 00:20:32,973 Speaker 6: I'm struggling to remember all the names, to be honest 349 00:20:33,013 --> 00:20:35,453 Speaker 6: with you, especially in the bowling. 350 00:20:36,533 --> 00:20:36,813 Speaker 2: Look. 351 00:20:38,053 --> 00:20:41,213 Speaker 6: Yeah, I think I was really quite pleased to see 352 00:20:41,653 --> 00:20:46,853 Speaker 6: Lathan Williamson, Young, what, Bracewell, Tickner, Blundle. I think we're 353 00:20:47,333 --> 00:20:50,853 Speaker 6: all in that squad that you were just talking about. 354 00:20:50,853 --> 00:20:54,813 Speaker 6: But they went and played round two. They in other words, 355 00:20:55,373 --> 00:21:01,133 Speaker 6: they had a match and I think that's a good thing. 356 00:21:01,573 --> 00:21:06,173 Speaker 6: So so yeah, Pondway, if he can get those feet moving, 357 00:21:06,253 --> 00:21:10,173 Speaker 6: especially moving forward and using two hands, on the bat 358 00:21:11,093 --> 00:21:14,533 Speaker 6: and he's looked more comfortable in the last few odies, 359 00:21:14,653 --> 00:21:18,373 Speaker 6: hasn't he. Where he's got some runs and he's started 360 00:21:18,413 --> 00:21:20,613 Speaker 6: to move those feet and he started to find the 361 00:21:20,653 --> 00:21:21,493 Speaker 6: middle of the bat. 362 00:21:22,133 --> 00:21:25,493 Speaker 2: And it's good that it's recent. So let's hope that 363 00:21:25,533 --> 00:21:26,653 Speaker 2: he's able to do that. 364 00:21:27,333 --> 00:21:29,613 Speaker 6: Latham, as long as he keeps the foot away from 365 00:21:29,653 --> 00:21:31,893 Speaker 6: in front of the stumps, the front foot, he doesn't 366 00:21:31,933 --> 00:21:35,973 Speaker 6: come across across the ball slightly and the bat the 367 00:21:36,013 --> 00:21:39,373 Speaker 6: pad is in the way he can look. No, everybody 368 00:21:39,453 --> 00:21:42,813 Speaker 6: has problems that their battle away with all the time 369 00:21:42,853 --> 00:21:47,013 Speaker 6: in the game. Williamson good to see well. He hasn't 370 00:21:47,013 --> 00:21:49,133 Speaker 6: played for quite a long time. He's going to have 371 00:21:49,173 --> 00:21:54,293 Speaker 6: a bat today against Auckland at Mount Montanui. Ravendra he's 372 00:21:54,293 --> 00:21:58,293 Speaker 6: played quite aggressively recently, hasn't he. I'd just like to 373 00:21:58,293 --> 00:22:01,293 Speaker 6: see him get in spend that time you said about 374 00:22:01,373 --> 00:22:04,453 Speaker 6: head spending twenty minutes, you. 375 00:22:04,373 --> 00:22:05,653 Speaker 2: Know, getting himself in. 376 00:22:06,053 --> 00:22:09,053 Speaker 6: He's a good enough player once he's got the conditions 377 00:22:10,093 --> 00:22:12,893 Speaker 6: and can play a number of shots and in fact 378 00:22:12,973 --> 00:22:15,853 Speaker 6: can hit the same ball into different areas. That's how 379 00:22:15,893 --> 00:22:18,013 Speaker 6: good he is at times when he's at his best. 380 00:22:18,253 --> 00:22:22,013 Speaker 6: So you know, don't rain the shots and once you 381 00:22:22,093 --> 00:22:24,973 Speaker 6: get in. I'm happy with that, happy to have that intent. 382 00:22:25,653 --> 00:22:28,933 Speaker 6: And Mitchell's have mature play now, so they're all kind 383 00:22:29,013 --> 00:22:33,173 Speaker 6: of in set positions. I think, whether they've got contracts 384 00:22:33,293 --> 00:22:35,853 Speaker 6: or not, I think they're playing the best at the 385 00:22:35,893 --> 00:22:39,693 Speaker 6: moment out of the players that you mentioned Blundle, I 386 00:22:39,733 --> 00:22:42,253 Speaker 6: think it's a very big game. I think it's worth 387 00:22:42,413 --> 00:22:46,173 Speaker 6: just a little discussion. What do you guys feel about Blundle? 388 00:22:46,253 --> 00:22:49,733 Speaker 6: Because you know they might feel he's the best keeper, 389 00:22:51,093 --> 00:22:54,453 Speaker 6: but certainly his batting has just slipped away in the 390 00:22:54,533 --> 00:23:00,333 Speaker 6: last two to three years and I just think we're 391 00:23:00,373 --> 00:23:02,653 Speaker 6: not quite getting the runs from number six. 392 00:23:03,453 --> 00:23:05,573 Speaker 3: That's the point, isn't it. Most he's at number six, 393 00:23:05,613 --> 00:23:07,493 Speaker 3: so he's a batting position. He did get one hundred, 394 00:23:07,533 --> 00:23:09,893 Speaker 3: of course against England in that Test match at the 395 00:23:09,933 --> 00:23:13,573 Speaker 3: base in reserve if when the game was lost, yes, 396 00:23:13,813 --> 00:23:16,933 Speaker 3: but he still didn't get one hundred in the situation. 397 00:23:17,413 --> 00:23:19,773 Speaker 3: But these guys aren't playing a lot of Test cricket either, 398 00:23:19,813 --> 00:23:20,133 Speaker 3: are they. 399 00:23:20,213 --> 00:23:25,613 Speaker 5: So he's under I agree because his I mean he's 400 00:23:25,653 --> 00:23:29,613 Speaker 5: a bit. He's a better player than the than the 401 00:23:29,733 --> 00:23:34,013 Speaker 5: statistics would suggest, is my observation. So something's going on 402 00:23:34,173 --> 00:23:35,653 Speaker 5: and if and if you've got him at six, as 403 00:23:35,693 --> 00:23:38,773 Speaker 5: you quite correctly point out, you've got you've got to 404 00:23:38,813 --> 00:23:41,093 Speaker 5: be you've got to be a batsman as well, and 405 00:23:41,253 --> 00:23:45,213 Speaker 5: his production hasn't been particularly good. Other than that, I 406 00:23:45,253 --> 00:23:47,933 Speaker 5: actually got quite like the look of this team. We've 407 00:23:47,973 --> 00:23:50,933 Speaker 5: got some people there who actually move it around a bit, 408 00:23:51,013 --> 00:23:54,733 Speaker 5: you know, Duffy folks, Henry of course. 409 00:23:55,853 --> 00:23:58,253 Speaker 4: That that's quite quite a. 410 00:23:57,933 --> 00:24:02,093 Speaker 5: Good looking attack and Mitchel Satner who's turned his game 411 00:24:02,133 --> 00:24:06,373 Speaker 5: around enormously in the last couple of years and is 412 00:24:06,413 --> 00:24:08,173 Speaker 5: now our premiere. 413 00:24:09,493 --> 00:24:11,373 Speaker 4: Spinner. But also. 414 00:24:13,013 --> 00:24:16,093 Speaker 5: Could he be a little bit higher because he's he's 415 00:24:16,133 --> 00:24:21,533 Speaker 5: looking very very accomplished as a batsman as well. So 416 00:24:21,573 --> 00:24:23,653 Speaker 5: I think the one question mark, and I agree with you, 417 00:24:24,173 --> 00:24:26,093 Speaker 5: is probably around Tom london pressure. 418 00:24:26,133 --> 00:24:30,253 Speaker 3: On the other one, from my point of view, is 419 00:24:30,853 --> 00:24:32,973 Speaker 3: do you play Tickner or do you play Nathan Smith? 420 00:24:34,133 --> 00:24:36,133 Speaker 3: Because they both do much the same sort of thing. 421 00:24:36,493 --> 00:24:39,253 Speaker 3: I believe you've got to go with Henry backed up 422 00:24:39,293 --> 00:24:43,373 Speaker 3: by Duffy and Fuchs, and to me, the fourth seamer 423 00:24:43,733 --> 00:24:46,613 Speaker 3: is basically Nathan Smith rather than Lear Tickner. How do 424 00:24:46,653 --> 00:24:50,133 Speaker 3: you see that, Jerry, what would be your preference? 425 00:24:50,773 --> 00:24:52,333 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a more tricky. 426 00:24:52,613 --> 00:24:55,573 Speaker 6: That's the other one to think about, other than perhaps 427 00:24:56,213 --> 00:25:00,973 Speaker 6: I think I think prior to Christmas one one spinner 428 00:25:01,813 --> 00:25:04,773 Speaker 6: is I don't think you can play both Braceful and Santner, 429 00:25:04,813 --> 00:25:08,213 Speaker 6: And Santner clearly gets the nod there at the moment, 430 00:25:09,213 --> 00:25:12,373 Speaker 6: I think, to answer Moose's question, he's good enough to bat. 431 00:25:12,253 --> 00:25:14,613 Speaker 2: Seven at the moment, and. 432 00:25:16,053 --> 00:25:19,853 Speaker 6: It leaves us with a slightly longer tail. But you 433 00:25:19,893 --> 00:25:22,533 Speaker 6: know that's the job, isn't it. At number six you 434 00:25:22,653 --> 00:25:23,613 Speaker 6: should be able to get. 435 00:25:23,453 --> 00:25:33,293 Speaker 2: One hundred and so to me, Smith doesn't see. 436 00:25:33,613 --> 00:25:37,373 Speaker 6: I mean, we've got basically folks a slightly odd action 437 00:25:38,253 --> 00:25:42,293 Speaker 6: who swings the ball away from left handers, and Duffy 438 00:25:42,293 --> 00:25:43,333 Speaker 6: who brings it back. 439 00:25:43,453 --> 00:25:43,733 Speaker 4: Good. 440 00:25:43,893 --> 00:25:47,933 Speaker 6: We've got both those ways covered. Please that Jamison. They're 441 00:25:47,933 --> 00:25:51,173 Speaker 6: showing portion about him whether if they feel he can't 442 00:25:51,213 --> 00:25:56,093 Speaker 6: bowl forty overs in a test. Fine, And I see 443 00:25:56,133 --> 00:25:59,133 Speaker 6: he's playing round two, isn't he against Otaga at the moment. 444 00:25:59,213 --> 00:26:02,813 Speaker 6: So he's getting trying to raise the number of overs 445 00:26:03,293 --> 00:26:05,653 Speaker 6: that he bowls. He's been in the in the white 446 00:26:05,653 --> 00:26:10,773 Speaker 6: ball game so far. Smith doesn't move the ball much. 447 00:26:10,813 --> 00:26:14,453 Speaker 6: That's my slight concern about him. He's a shortish kind 448 00:26:14,493 --> 00:26:18,853 Speaker 6: of guy. He bowls at a reasonable heat, but he 449 00:26:19,013 --> 00:26:21,693 Speaker 6: just comes straight onto the bat and I think once 450 00:26:21,733 --> 00:26:23,173 Speaker 6: you get in there's the issue. 451 00:26:23,173 --> 00:26:25,493 Speaker 2: He's got to start to move that ball. 452 00:26:27,013 --> 00:26:31,053 Speaker 6: And surprise people with a skiddy bouncer, those kinds of 453 00:26:31,133 --> 00:26:34,133 Speaker 6: things he needs to have. Tickner tends to be a 454 00:26:34,213 --> 00:26:38,013 Speaker 6: taller man who looks to be actually bowling quite well 455 00:26:38,053 --> 00:26:40,893 Speaker 6: at the moment and seems the ball. We've got Henry 456 00:26:40,933 --> 00:26:44,973 Speaker 6: to do that, haven't we know. I'm like you, Brian, 457 00:26:45,093 --> 00:26:48,693 Speaker 6: there there's those two are the issue for me. I 458 00:26:48,733 --> 00:26:50,733 Speaker 6: think Folks has got to play. He adds a bit 459 00:26:50,773 --> 00:26:54,653 Speaker 6: with the bat as well. That's not the issue who 460 00:26:54,693 --> 00:26:56,973 Speaker 6: you're picking him as a bowler, but I mean that's handy. 461 00:26:57,693 --> 00:26:59,973 Speaker 6: Smith gives you more on the part with the ball. 462 00:27:00,613 --> 00:27:02,893 Speaker 6: I think it's very close for those two. 463 00:27:03,053 --> 00:27:07,013 Speaker 5: But also Smith gives you more with the bat as well. 464 00:27:07,093 --> 00:27:11,013 Speaker 5: So you've got, Yes, he does with the Folks and Smith, 465 00:27:12,093 --> 00:27:18,013 Speaker 5: you've got some pretty reasonable batting there, and that's what 466 00:27:18,653 --> 00:27:22,733 Speaker 5: he for me brings him ahead of Techner, who really 467 00:27:22,893 --> 00:27:25,853 Speaker 5: is bowler. And and the other thing that Smith has 468 00:27:25,853 --> 00:27:28,973 Speaker 5: a new touched on Jerry. He's very very good in 469 00:27:29,013 --> 00:27:32,413 Speaker 5: the in the in the field, so That's why I'd 470 00:27:32,493 --> 00:27:35,733 Speaker 5: be going with him. And I sense that there's more 471 00:27:35,973 --> 00:27:38,893 Speaker 5: more of the future in Smith than say, perhaps player Techne, 472 00:27:38,973 --> 00:27:41,773 Speaker 5: although as you rightly point out, he showed some pretty 473 00:27:41,853 --> 00:27:44,653 Speaker 5: useful form and clearly the new coach who's had a 474 00:27:44,693 --> 00:27:47,453 Speaker 5: lot to do with him, understands him and knows what 475 00:27:47,533 --> 00:27:48,853 Speaker 5: he can what he can bring. 476 00:27:49,893 --> 00:27:53,253 Speaker 6: Yeah, I think probably Smith on that on that sort 477 00:27:53,253 --> 00:27:56,653 Speaker 6: of adding to folks as batting, we need those, We 478 00:27:56,693 --> 00:28:00,453 Speaker 6: need those runs down at eight and you know even nine. 479 00:28:00,653 --> 00:28:04,653 Speaker 6: I mean, Yanson got ninety three the other day on 480 00:28:04,693 --> 00:28:08,213 Speaker 6: a pitch you know, over in India, and that's really 481 00:28:08,893 --> 00:28:12,853 Speaker 6: n Susan, we got one hundred number eight. That's the 482 00:28:12,893 --> 00:28:15,973 Speaker 6: sort of thing occasionally we need from those guys. 483 00:28:16,693 --> 00:28:18,333 Speaker 2: So we need that betting down there. 484 00:28:19,533 --> 00:28:21,973 Speaker 3: Yeahs interesting you talk about those South African as you 485 00:28:22,013 --> 00:28:28,053 Speaker 3: mentioned them earlier, and you know, our squad is sort 486 00:28:28,093 --> 00:28:30,653 Speaker 3: of developing along their way, perhaps not quite with the 487 00:28:30,973 --> 00:28:33,053 Speaker 3: amount of brilliance that seems to be in that South 488 00:28:33,053 --> 00:28:36,253 Speaker 3: EVERGA side of the moment, but boy have they done 489 00:28:36,253 --> 00:28:39,453 Speaker 3: what New Zealand did to India. What do you think 490 00:28:39,493 --> 00:28:42,813 Speaker 3: the Indians are feeling at the moment. It's hard to know. 491 00:28:44,453 --> 00:28:47,013 Speaker 5: It's interesting when I look at it, and I mean 492 00:28:48,373 --> 00:28:52,253 Speaker 5: that's retainly scretching because on paper their Indian teams a 493 00:28:52,333 --> 00:28:56,173 Speaker 5: pretty good team, albeit that Gill's not playing, and that 494 00:28:56,613 --> 00:29:02,573 Speaker 5: I think makes a difference. You know, when you've got Jenna, Todaysia, Sunda, Boomra, 495 00:29:02,733 --> 00:29:06,933 Speaker 5: Saraj and the likes and jays while up the top, 496 00:29:07,173 --> 00:29:11,013 Speaker 5: that's a good team. They used to get beaten, they 497 00:29:11,133 --> 00:29:14,893 Speaker 5: got belted and comprehensively. There was only one more been 498 00:29:14,973 --> 00:29:20,373 Speaker 5: there in THENDI in conditions. But then again South Africa 499 00:29:20,453 --> 00:29:22,573 Speaker 5: has been showing a bit, hasn't you know? They beat 500 00:29:22,653 --> 00:29:26,293 Speaker 5: up on Australian in the World Test Championship final. Fantastic 501 00:29:26,493 --> 00:29:29,893 Speaker 5: love that at the time. There's a there's a lot 502 00:29:29,893 --> 00:29:32,053 Speaker 5: to like about them, and I love the way they're playing. 503 00:29:32,453 --> 00:29:37,853 Speaker 5: Their captain seems to have a really good way about 504 00:29:37,893 --> 00:29:40,853 Speaker 5: them and leads with and leads well, and they seems 505 00:29:40,853 --> 00:29:42,573 Speaker 5: to be a good sort of spirit amongst them. And 506 00:29:42,613 --> 00:29:46,853 Speaker 5: once you go on TV, of course I thoroughly enjoyed that, 507 00:29:47,413 --> 00:29:49,853 Speaker 5: particularly seeing them win so comprehensively. 508 00:29:49,933 --> 00:29:50,733 Speaker 4: So well don't they. 509 00:29:51,253 --> 00:29:54,693 Speaker 6: A lot of sniggering, wasn't there about South Africa when 510 00:29:54,693 --> 00:29:58,653 Speaker 6: they got into the final. The w TC Final last 511 00:29:58,733 --> 00:30:01,413 Speaker 6: year because they didn't play the top sides. 512 00:30:01,893 --> 00:30:03,453 Speaker 2: And they still won't remember. 513 00:30:05,013 --> 00:30:08,613 Speaker 6: So yeah, look, this was a bit of pitch than 514 00:30:08,653 --> 00:30:13,253 Speaker 6: the first Test, which was an awful surface. They managed 515 00:30:13,293 --> 00:30:16,453 Speaker 6: to win that when you know, they defended one hundred 516 00:30:16,493 --> 00:30:19,933 Speaker 6: and twenty four bowling in India out for ninety odd. 517 00:30:20,893 --> 00:30:24,053 Speaker 6: This one was a rather different test. They got a 518 00:30:24,373 --> 00:30:26,973 Speaker 6: they were in troubled. Well, it was an even first day, 519 00:30:27,053 --> 00:30:30,093 Speaker 6: wasn't it two fifty for six. But then as I mentioned, 520 00:30:30,093 --> 00:30:34,413 Speaker 6: those guys Metsusan, Mee and Jansen got going and Varina 521 00:30:34,493 --> 00:30:37,373 Speaker 6: got a fifty sort of thing. So they ended up 522 00:30:37,413 --> 00:30:42,213 Speaker 6: getting four hundred and eighty nine and that really put 523 00:30:42,333 --> 00:30:44,893 Speaker 6: a lot of pressure because the pitch was being baked 524 00:30:44,893 --> 00:30:47,533 Speaker 6: at the same time. This was a red clay pitch 525 00:30:47,573 --> 00:30:53,133 Speaker 6: that turns in Goahati Wadds loves it there and it's 526 00:30:54,053 --> 00:30:58,413 Speaker 6: you know, and so they handled the spinners, the spinner's 527 00:30:58,413 --> 00:31:00,773 Speaker 6: bowl ler. It's a strange looking side, I'd have to say, 528 00:31:00,813 --> 00:31:05,293 Speaker 6: the Indian side they had three batsmen even with that. 529 00:31:05,333 --> 00:31:08,533 Speaker 2: With that, with Gill they bought Sedarshan came in the 530 00:31:08,573 --> 00:31:09,253 Speaker 2: second Test. 531 00:31:09,653 --> 00:31:12,493 Speaker 6: Gil was there for the first and of course had 532 00:31:12,533 --> 00:31:16,053 Speaker 6: the injury, but they had they either have four or 533 00:31:16,173 --> 00:31:18,973 Speaker 6: three spin or rounders. 534 00:31:20,133 --> 00:31:21,773 Speaker 2: They have two keepers. 535 00:31:23,093 --> 00:31:26,373 Speaker 6: Zurrel and Punt, and then they have all the spin 536 00:31:26,493 --> 00:31:29,453 Speaker 6: all rounders and then they have two quicks. That's the 537 00:31:29,453 --> 00:31:32,053 Speaker 6: way they have formed those last two games. 538 00:31:32,613 --> 00:31:34,053 Speaker 2: So it's a slightly different. 539 00:31:34,373 --> 00:31:38,813 Speaker 6: They reckon that their spinners are good enough batsmen, so 540 00:31:39,453 --> 00:31:42,973 Speaker 6: you know that's Judasia and Washington Sunda both combat. Of 541 00:31:42,973 --> 00:31:45,693 Speaker 6: course they can. They reckon cool deep can. I'm not 542 00:31:46,053 --> 00:31:49,373 Speaker 6: quite so convinced about that. And then they had Actua 543 00:31:49,493 --> 00:31:51,973 Speaker 6: Patel in the first test. They dropped him in the 544 00:31:52,013 --> 00:31:54,213 Speaker 6: second for the test ready, so they got an extra 545 00:31:54,613 --> 00:31:58,093 Speaker 6: seema to come in. But anyway, look I just thought 546 00:31:58,733 --> 00:32:00,293 Speaker 6: I thought Harma out. 547 00:32:00,133 --> 00:32:04,293 Speaker 2: Bowled the Indian spinners by miles. My word, what a 548 00:32:04,333 --> 00:32:05,413 Speaker 2: bowl of that guy is. 549 00:32:06,253 --> 00:32:09,973 Speaker 6: He's bowld hundreds of overs of Essex and got so 550 00:32:10,173 --> 00:32:11,013 Speaker 6: much behind him. 551 00:32:11,053 --> 00:32:13,533 Speaker 2: But to the right handers, I thought he was brilliant. 552 00:32:14,093 --> 00:32:17,293 Speaker 6: He had a big turner that could grip and so 553 00:32:17,453 --> 00:32:20,413 Speaker 6: coming between bat and pad, he had the one that 554 00:32:20,533 --> 00:32:24,013 Speaker 6: drifted away and so it took the outside edge and 555 00:32:24,893 --> 00:32:28,333 Speaker 6: Markram took nine catches at first slip on this test, 556 00:32:28,413 --> 00:32:32,973 Speaker 6: the most ever dropped the catch and put one down. 557 00:32:33,013 --> 00:32:36,013 Speaker 6: He could add ten and you know, and then he 558 00:32:36,053 --> 00:32:38,693 Speaker 6: could bowl the little skidder as well that would get 559 00:32:38,733 --> 00:32:41,973 Speaker 6: their left hand as LBW And obviously he could have 560 00:32:42,013 --> 00:32:45,013 Speaker 6: bowled a little slow one and it took the top 561 00:32:45,093 --> 00:32:48,093 Speaker 6: that the sort of the edge of the bat towards 562 00:32:48,173 --> 00:32:49,733 Speaker 6: the top of the bat, and the sort of gave 563 00:32:49,813 --> 00:32:50,613 Speaker 6: catches as well. 564 00:32:50,693 --> 00:32:52,853 Speaker 2: So I thought it was very guileful. 565 00:32:53,333 --> 00:32:56,533 Speaker 6: And then you had Maharaj and you then also had 566 00:32:56,573 --> 00:32:59,613 Speaker 6: of course Jansen, who bowled them out in the first 567 00:32:59,693 --> 00:33:03,373 Speaker 6: things while the pitch wasn't turning with bouncers. 568 00:33:02,973 --> 00:33:04,173 Speaker 2: Got six wickets there. 569 00:33:05,013 --> 00:33:12,413 Speaker 6: So they are developing in to a very strong permitted side, 570 00:33:12,493 --> 00:33:15,373 Speaker 6: they know. And it was interesting to hear what Jansen said. 571 00:33:15,413 --> 00:33:18,093 Speaker 6: I don't know whether you heard, guys. He said, we 572 00:33:18,173 --> 00:33:24,213 Speaker 6: try to do the simple things well and we assess 573 00:33:24,533 --> 00:33:30,533 Speaker 6: conditions so we can change our plan if required. Well, 574 00:33:30,573 --> 00:33:34,853 Speaker 6: that's vastly different and a contradiction of what we saw 575 00:33:34,973 --> 00:33:40,653 Speaker 6: in perse the antitsis really of all out aggression on 576 00:33:40,693 --> 00:33:41,013 Speaker 6: that point. 577 00:33:41,093 --> 00:33:41,293 Speaker 4: Jury. 578 00:33:41,973 --> 00:33:45,053 Speaker 5: I couldn't agree with you more about Simon Harmer. And 579 00:33:46,173 --> 00:33:50,413 Speaker 5: it's really quite a novel idea that by bowling over 580 00:33:50,493 --> 00:33:53,373 Speaker 5: long periods of time over many seasons you hone your 581 00:33:53,413 --> 00:33:58,013 Speaker 5: craft and you could see that blatantly clearly from from 582 00:33:58,613 --> 00:34:01,453 Speaker 5: how Harmon has become such an adept bowler with those 583 00:34:01,973 --> 00:34:08,653 Speaker 5: wonderfully skillful variations. It was actually fantastic and as you 584 00:34:08,773 --> 00:34:14,453 Speaker 5: rightly pointed out, he outvolved the Indians in there, in 585 00:34:14,693 --> 00:34:18,373 Speaker 5: the Indian spinners in the home conditions and what a 586 00:34:18,413 --> 00:34:21,933 Speaker 5: fantastic thing. But you're getting contributions across across the board, 587 00:34:21,933 --> 00:34:24,893 Speaker 5: aren't you, With all their players from the keeper through 588 00:34:24,893 --> 00:34:30,413 Speaker 5: the yancer. It's it's a pretty good team. So joy 589 00:34:30,493 --> 00:34:31,173 Speaker 5: watching them too. 590 00:34:31,653 --> 00:34:34,133 Speaker 3: The only problem is we've only had two tests. That's 591 00:34:34,173 --> 00:34:36,213 Speaker 3: all you're going to get. The rest of it is 592 00:34:36,253 --> 00:34:39,933 Speaker 3: a short form cricket. I'd love to see another test. 593 00:34:39,973 --> 00:34:44,133 Speaker 6: South Africa now, don't play another test until October. 594 00:34:45,333 --> 00:34:46,333 Speaker 2: Twenty twenty six. 595 00:34:47,893 --> 00:34:48,653 Speaker 4: That's start. 596 00:34:49,413 --> 00:34:50,213 Speaker 3: That's their board. 597 00:34:50,533 --> 00:34:55,333 Speaker 6: What that's the situation we've got to with allowing you 598 00:34:55,373 --> 00:34:57,973 Speaker 6: know what we know is happening in the game. 599 00:34:58,493 --> 00:35:01,173 Speaker 3: Well, they're coming here to play short form cricket. Why 600 00:35:01,213 --> 00:35:04,813 Speaker 3: couldn't we put a test? So akare here? But there 601 00:35:04,813 --> 00:35:05,053 Speaker 3: we go. 602 00:35:05,373 --> 00:35:06,773 Speaker 2: That's the issue. 603 00:35:06,773 --> 00:35:09,653 Speaker 4: You ask the CEO of New Zealand Cricket Brian Well. 604 00:35:09,693 --> 00:35:11,853 Speaker 3: I'm not sure that he's doing interviews at the moment. 605 00:35:12,013 --> 00:35:15,693 Speaker 1: Brian Waddell, Jeremy Coney on the front foot. 606 00:35:15,853 --> 00:35:18,133 Speaker 3: A couple of things to finish on this week. We've 607 00:35:18,173 --> 00:35:23,533 Speaker 3: had some emails from Trent. More political, I guess than 608 00:35:23,933 --> 00:35:27,213 Speaker 3: it is cricketing wise. Your opening bouncer and the last 609 00:35:27,333 --> 00:35:30,733 Speaker 3: podcast should have aimed at the head of whoever dreamed 610 00:35:30,773 --> 00:35:34,493 Speaker 3: up the so called State Highway one improvements in Wellington. 611 00:35:35,373 --> 00:35:38,413 Speaker 3: Right now, quiet Slip Road runs outside the main entrance 612 00:35:38,453 --> 00:35:41,573 Speaker 3: to the Basin Reserve. On matchdays, this lane closes to 613 00:35:41,613 --> 00:35:45,693 Speaker 3: accommodate the throngs of public servants and consultants massing to 614 00:35:46,093 --> 00:35:49,173 Speaker 3: enter or leave the ground. The crowd flows along kent 615 00:35:49,293 --> 00:35:53,653 Speaker 3: Terrace towards the Cambridge Hotel. If there was ever a 616 00:35:53,693 --> 00:35:56,733 Speaker 3: place to put State high One underground, to connect it 617 00:35:56,773 --> 00:36:00,133 Speaker 3: directly with the Arris Tunnel close by, then that would 618 00:36:00,173 --> 00:36:03,533 Speaker 3: be it. We can even call it the Mantis Mine, 619 00:36:03,613 --> 00:36:08,853 Speaker 3: the Sedin Subway, the Blundle Bore or the Braceful Burrow. 620 00:36:09,373 --> 00:36:12,253 Speaker 3: Surely those are better options than the death trap the 621 00:36:12,293 --> 00:36:15,493 Speaker 3: planners have created. Thanks Trent to taking interest in the 622 00:36:15,733 --> 00:36:19,293 Speaker 3: Basin Reserve and the possibilities that it could come under 623 00:36:19,293 --> 00:36:22,813 Speaker 3: threat a though I don't believe so. And the light 624 00:36:22,853 --> 00:36:26,013 Speaker 3: aside we mentioned earlier to the serious chat over the 625 00:36:26,013 --> 00:36:29,613 Speaker 3: two day ashes test. It happened even before a ball 626 00:36:29,733 --> 00:36:32,253 Speaker 3: was bold and I guess are reminded to not get 627 00:36:32,293 --> 00:36:36,253 Speaker 3: your retaliation in first, as Monty Panasa found to his cost, 628 00:36:36,773 --> 00:36:40,853 Speaker 3: if you want to reveal skeletons, sometimes you might need 629 00:36:40,893 --> 00:36:43,493 Speaker 3: to be squeaky clean or keep your trap shut. Poor 630 00:36:43,493 --> 00:36:47,173 Speaker 3: old Monty clambered in with full cricket spikes and opened 631 00:36:47,173 --> 00:36:50,373 Speaker 3: a door that Steve Smith couldn't resist walking through. 632 00:36:51,133 --> 00:36:51,933 Speaker 4: Who have you in the room? 633 00:36:51,973 --> 00:36:53,053 Speaker 2: Are seen Mastermind? 634 00:36:53,293 --> 00:36:54,613 Speaker 4: And Monty Panasar on that. 635 00:36:56,453 --> 00:36:56,933 Speaker 3: Any of you? 636 00:36:57,973 --> 00:36:58,653 Speaker 2: Yeah. 637 00:36:58,853 --> 00:37:02,893 Speaker 3: Monty added that his comments were based on cricketing mistakes 638 00:37:02,933 --> 00:37:07,293 Speaker 3: made by Steve Smith, calling him a cheat and acknowledging 639 00:37:07,373 --> 00:37:12,253 Speaker 3: that he wasn't at his best in the program of Mastermind. 640 00:37:12,533 --> 00:37:16,093 Speaker 3: But what we have here is a chance to hear 641 00:37:16,933 --> 00:37:22,893 Speaker 3: Monty on Mastermind, something the Australian media have been enjoying 642 00:37:23,333 --> 00:37:25,293 Speaker 3: at Pennassar's expense. 643 00:37:25,853 --> 00:37:28,293 Speaker 7: What ninety seven film do? A group of unemployed men 644 00:37:28,333 --> 00:37:30,893 Speaker 7: in Sheffield become strippers for a night at their local 645 00:37:30,933 --> 00:37:31,813 Speaker 7: working men's club. 646 00:37:32,893 --> 00:37:35,933 Speaker 2: The Dream Voice, a full Monty, in. 647 00:37:35,853 --> 00:37:38,893 Speaker 7: Which city is the OLYMPR study on built for the 648 00:37:38,933 --> 00:37:43,253 Speaker 7: nineteen seventy two Olympics, and where Germany's national football team played, 649 00:37:43,413 --> 00:37:49,213 Speaker 7: Oh Gosha Munich. In an eighteen nineteen poem, what season 650 00:37:49,253 --> 00:37:51,773 Speaker 7: of the does Keats describe as a season of mist 651 00:37:51,893 --> 00:37:53,533 Speaker 7: and mellow fruitfulness? 652 00:37:54,173 --> 00:37:54,933 Speaker 2: One a twift? 653 00:37:56,213 --> 00:37:59,333 Speaker 3: It's not fear to mock those who can't answer questions 654 00:37:59,333 --> 00:38:02,813 Speaker 3: in the type situation like that. But poor old Monty 655 00:38:02,933 --> 00:38:06,693 Speaker 3: opened himself up to that. I guess guys we can 656 00:38:06,973 --> 00:38:09,733 Speaker 3: say fer will to mastermind for a while, unless you 657 00:38:09,733 --> 00:38:12,013 Speaker 3: guys want to hit off and play a little game. 658 00:38:12,853 --> 00:38:14,053 Speaker 3: How are you at mastermind? 659 00:38:14,413 --> 00:38:18,413 Speaker 5: Most I'm really bad under pressure and always have been, Brian, 660 00:38:18,533 --> 00:38:20,333 Speaker 5: so I think i'd be appalling. 661 00:38:20,813 --> 00:38:26,613 Speaker 6: Oh and I still think Tiawamut is the capital of Australia. 662 00:38:27,293 --> 00:38:30,013 Speaker 3: And but and and and Boston is not America. 663 00:38:31,933 --> 00:38:37,533 Speaker 5: Well some of them probably think that, yes, oh, well, 664 00:38:38,173 --> 00:38:38,933 Speaker 5: new continent. 665 00:38:39,773 --> 00:38:44,333 Speaker 3: We we can enjoy Monty, and we can enjoy see 666 00:38:44,413 --> 00:38:46,453 Speaker 3: Steve Smith. And of course we're going to enjoy Steve 667 00:38:46,493 --> 00:38:51,293 Speaker 3: Smith if that's your bag, if you like seeing Australia. 668 00:38:51,333 --> 00:38:54,693 Speaker 3: When the one thing I find difficult is enjoying either 669 00:38:54,733 --> 00:38:57,213 Speaker 3: side winning internationals series. 670 00:38:58,453 --> 00:39:01,253 Speaker 5: It's a difficult one, isn't it. 671 00:39:02,893 --> 00:39:05,533 Speaker 3: You don't want to sort of let anybody know I'm 672 00:39:05,533 --> 00:39:07,653 Speaker 3: behind Australia on this one. 673 00:39:08,453 --> 00:39:10,373 Speaker 4: I struggle with that, but I really do. 674 00:39:11,293 --> 00:39:14,813 Speaker 2: Who do you want, Jerry? I think it's too all. 675 00:39:17,493 --> 00:39:19,653 Speaker 3: Oh good, We get that one right on mast and. 676 00:39:19,853 --> 00:39:20,693 Speaker 1: Make it like. 677 00:39:23,733 --> 00:39:28,173 Speaker 2: Alright, right, all right, Jess Cheers you guys. 678 00:39:30,853 --> 00:39:31,493 Speaker 6: Summers. 679 00:39:39,213 --> 00:39:41,773 Speaker 1: For more from News Talks at b listen live on 680 00:39:41,933 --> 00:39:44,853 Speaker 1: air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever 681 00:39:44,933 --> 00:39:47,453 Speaker 1: you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio.