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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather

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Speaker 1: duplesic Eland Drive with one New Zealand let's get connected

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Speaker 1: news talk, said b.

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Speaker 2: Hey, good afternoon, welcome to the show. Coming up today,

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Speaker 2: the cops say there are some problems with the story

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Speaker 2: that the data that it did tickuity Baby is telling.

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Speaker 2: So we're going to speak to the lead detective. After five,

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Speaker 2: the Commerce Commissions just hold off the petrol companies for

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Speaker 2: how they charge us. The AA on that, and the

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Speaker 2: Air Force reckons that they've busted the North Korean's breaching sanctions.

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Speaker 2: Will get the details. After six.

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Speaker 1: Heather Duplessy l well, here's.

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Speaker 2: A little bit of good news for farmers on the

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Speaker 2: eve of field days. They're not going to have to

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Speaker 2: pay for their emissions. How good is that? The government's

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Speaker 2: just announced it's taking agriculture back out of the ets,

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Speaker 2: which is where it's always been until the last gave

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Speaker 2: labor government put it into the ets. Where it's supposed

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Speaker 2: to have been was obviously outside of it, and that's

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Speaker 2: where it should always be because the idea of putting

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Speaker 2: a climate tax on farmers who provide the food that

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Speaker 2: we need to survive is just crazy. It is so

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Speaker 2: crazy an idea that, as far as I can tell,

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Speaker 2: no other country in the world does it.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: Labour's threat to farmers, if you recall, was that unless

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Speaker 2: that was basically that they were in the etes unless

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Speaker 2: they could find another way to pay for their emissions.

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Speaker 2: So there's likely going to be an expectation that farmers

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Speaker 2: I hope they don't have to. I hope that we

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Speaker 2: just give up on the stupid idea, because making farmers

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Speaker 2: pay to grow the food that we need is absolutely nuts.

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Speaker 2: I'm not having an argument about whether climate change is

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Speaker 2: also not having an argument about whether we should make

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Speaker 2: the ets. It went too far because the natural end

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Speaker 2: point of making farmers pay for their climate emissions is

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Speaker 2: that it's another cost to farming, which means our farmers

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Speaker 2: would then farm fewer animals, and that's not up for

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Speaker 2: debate the documents. That's what was going to happen. Farmers

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Speaker 2: were going to farm fewer animals. Therefore they would produce

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Speaker 2: we'd have fewer humans being fed. Therefore our country would

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Speaker 2: And the endpoint, when you get to that endpoint, that's crazy.

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Speaker 2: You shouldn't be doing that. For a moment that we

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Speaker 2: got absolutely carried away with the conviction that the climate

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Speaker 2: change was the most important thing that we were dealing with.

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Speaker 2: Let's just get this straight. Climate change is important, it

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Speaker 2: is not the most important thing that we are dealing with.

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Speaker 2: It does not trump absolutely everything else that we are doing.

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Speaker 2: I would argue feeding your kids is more important than

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Speaker 2: Absolutely deal with climate change as well, but these things

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Speaker 2: come first. So thank goodness for this now, because This

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Speaker 2: is absolutely correcting our.

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Speaker 1: Priorities together do for Sea Allen.

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Speaker 2: Nine two nine two is the text number. You're welcome

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Speaker 2: later in the program. Obviously, now the coppers have stepped

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Speaker 2: Tom Phillips and his kids by offering a reward of

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Speaker 2: Maverick and Ember have now been missing for two and

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Speaker 2: does come forward. Andy Saunders is a police acting detective Inspector. Hey, Andy, hello,

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Speaker 2: and did you reckon that there are people who know

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Speaker 4: Yes, I do. That's one of the reasons we've put

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Speaker 2: What makes you so sure of that.

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Speaker 4: On the investigation in the last two and a half years,

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Speaker 2: What's the limited time you've got this up for.

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Speaker 4: It's up for a two week Period's targeted directly those

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Speaker 2: Do you reckon I mean, is this going to flip

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Speaker 2: Do you reckon it would actually flip someone who is

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Speaker 4: Well, it's a considerable amount and if those people that

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Speaker 2: Why are you doing it now?

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Speaker 4: Well, over the last two and a half years, we've

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Speaker 4: that we have focused on the community, on people potentially

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Speaker 4: we've been hoping for it, and we feel now is

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Speaker 2: Would you have thought at the start of this, would

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Speaker 4: Well, it's always our hope, but as you'd appreciate, the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because there has been I mean, there has been

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Speaker 2: it's been there that police aren't doing enough and that

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Speaker 2: basically what you do you need to do is just

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Speaker 4: Well, one of the difficulties is that we believe Tom

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Speaker 2: Hey, we learned for the first time today that he

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Speaker 2: lost custody of his kids. When did he lose custody?

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Speaker 4: That was going through the family court. I can find

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Speaker 4: out dates. But effectively the family court has changed the

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Speaker 2: Is that what sparked him going on the run.

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Speaker 4: No, we don't believe so. At the time he went

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, So he's lost custody as a result of this.

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Speaker 4: Well that's a matter for the family court. But effectively

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Speaker 4: now changed to I rung A Tomareki alrighty.

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Speaker 2: Okay, listen, what is it going to take for somebody

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Speaker 4: Well, the immunity is effectively if people are worried they

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Speaker 4: him to come forward because our focus is not any

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Speaker 4: offending they may have done. It's on the safe return

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Speaker 2: Andy, thank you for your time. I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Best of luck with us as Andy Saunders Police Act

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Speaker 2: Detective Inspector Um ossie Ozzi's gone really weird lately on

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Speaker 2: the statues. I don't know if you've noticed this, but

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Speaker 2: The vandals posted a video of them chopping off his head.

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Speaker 2: This is King George the Fifth's head with a power tool,

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Speaker 2: then spraying in red paint. The words the colony will fall,

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Speaker 1: Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather Duper c

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Speaker 1: Allen Drive with One New Zealand have Leap for Business.

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Speaker 2: Usk Darcy water Grave Sports Talk Coasters with me right now,

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Speaker 2: Hey Dars, Hello, Shawn Johnson's available?

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Speaker 3: Is he It looks like it. We'll find out when

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Speaker 3: the team comes out officially. But that's the rumor around

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Speaker 3: is that today, Yeah, it's today, It's it's team list Tuesdays.

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Speaker 3: They say lest you'd say team naming Tuesday, because they

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Speaker 2: From is it Seawan Johnson or to Mighty Martin, to

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Speaker 2: Mighty Martin, Mighty Martin, it is between them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I think what would probably happen is that Seawan

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Speaker 3: will be it. This is interesting. This is a discussion

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Speaker 3: the guy who's got the history and the star power

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Speaker 3: has done all the money before, do you go straight

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Speaker 3: to Marty Martin who is basically picked this team up

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Speaker 3: from our They've been beating all these teams they should

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Speaker 3: have no right to beat. Go, Well, you're actually the

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Speaker 3: form half at the moment, Sean, maybe just sit over

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Speaker 3: there for a wee bit so we'll have this discussion,

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Speaker 3: Sony fun Winner X back row. I seen from the

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Speaker 3: which way they should go and mind and we'll ask

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Speaker 3: the people out there which way you go and why.

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Speaker 3: I want to see the response to Sean Johnson if

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Speaker 3: he'll come back and go I saw what happened. That

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Speaker 3: was great. I'm now going to contribute.

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Speaker 2: But he really needs to prove himself well.

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Speaker 3: I think it's also up against the Melbourne Storms, So

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Speaker 3: if they get blown off the park is at his fault,

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Speaker 3: I'd say probably not.

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Speaker 5: It's not.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's ultimately we're not going to judge it

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Speaker 2: based on the score line performance.

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Speaker 3: Yea, what did you actually do? How did you provide?

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Speaker 3: But I'd say with the attitude within this side and

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Speaker 3: what they've gone through and what you hear from all

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Speaker 3: of them is that we want all of our teammates

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Speaker 3: to do well, We're all going to buy into this.

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Speaker 3: We're all having a crack to mighty, You've done great.

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Speaker 1: How can I help?

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Speaker 3: It's about team, so we will see what their team.

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Speaker 2: Because it's just a load of nonsense coming out of

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Speaker 2: your mouth right now. It's not about team. It's about

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Speaker 2: earning your spot. This is a head to head competition

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Speaker 2: between two blokes.

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Speaker 3: It is. But if you've got a competition between two

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Speaker 2: You just eat because you have to. Yes, I don't

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Speaker 3: There you go, A Woman's Guide to a woman, A

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Speaker 2: Deal with you take on something.

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Speaker 3: I understand everyone's going on their different journeys, they're different pars,

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Speaker 1: Heather Dup to see allan drive with one New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: Oh lord, here they come. All the texts here that

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Speaker 1: Hither dup to see Alan drive with one New Zealand.

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Speaker 10: Now, does Hamas want to end this conflict and this

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Speaker 2: A plane carrying Malawi's vice president has gone missing. The

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Speaker 2: plane after flying through a pretty bad a hail storm.

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Speaker 2: The weird thing is the storm didn't show up on

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Speaker 2: the radar, but when they hit it, it was so

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Speaker 2: bad it actually shattered the plane's windscreen and destroyed the

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Speaker 2: nose cone, to the relief of all one hundred and

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Speaker 2: eighty people on board. The pilot then managed to safely

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Speaker 2: land the damage plane in Vienna, and he's now being

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Speaker 2: called a hero.

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Speaker 1: International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of mind

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Speaker 1: for New Zealand business.

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Speaker 2: Murray Old Zossie correspondents with US Now, how mass good afternoon, Heather.

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Speaker 2: So the twenty thirty emissions target keeps on rolling on?

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Speaker 12: Oh boy boy, the climate wars are on again. The

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Speaker 12: opposition wants to pick a fight on climate. The twentye

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Speaker 12: talk over here about an early election round. One of

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Speaker 12: the fight was let's go nuclear. Well, Australian scientists the

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Speaker 12: top organization over here, the CSIRO said you're keetting too expensive,

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Speaker 12: too far away. Now, Peter Dutton says a coalition government

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Speaker 12: will walk away from the twenty thirty Paris Agreement. That's

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Speaker 12: the target to cut emissions by forty three percent by

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Speaker 12: the end of this decade over two thousand and five level,

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Speaker 12: thanks to having eighty two percent of the energy that

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Speaker 12: Australia needs supplied by renewables. Now the opposition says that's unattainable.

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Speaker 12: Experts say it's going to be a big ask. The

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Speaker 12: government says, listen, trust as we're going. Well now, both sides.

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Speaker 12: Apparently you have underestimated the challenge of getting enough renewables

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Speaker 12: into the system, certainly the National Transmission Network for example GI.

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Speaker 12: It's going to be expensive to upgrade that. But few

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Speaker 12: are saying over if anybody outside the coalition, yes, let's

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Speaker 12: blow up Paris and have Australia joint Iran, Libya and

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Speaker 12: Yemen as the world's only countries not to ratify that agreement.

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Speaker 8: Laba says, bring it on.

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Speaker 12: Will fight you on this at the next election.

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Speaker 2: Buzz do we believe the Victorian landlords who are threatening

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Speaker 2: to sell up?

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Speaker 13: Oh?

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Speaker 8: Didams?

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Speaker 12: I mean this is also energy related. It's an interesting

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Speaker 12: story this because the Victorian government wants to be completely

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Speaker 12: zero emissions emissions, you know, by twenty forty seven, so

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Speaker 12: it's only twenty years away, well just over twenty years away. Now.

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Speaker 12: The Victorian government's come up with an idea proposed changes

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Speaker 12: to laws around energy efficiency in rental properties. The Victorian

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Speaker 12: government basically wants net zero missions, I said in twenty

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Speaker 12: years so okay, landlords.

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Speaker 8: We're going to bring in.

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Speaker 12: New standards, minimum standards. For example, Heather, every rental property

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Speaker 12: would have to have sealing insulation, but have to be

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Speaker 12: twenty first century shower heads, new electric hot water systems,

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Speaker 12: new cooling systems and heating systems as well. Now landlords

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Speaker 12: are furious, are angry about the cost. They say, hang on,

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Speaker 12: the tenants might save on their energy bills. But I'll

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Speaker 12: tell you who's going to be putting the rent up.

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Speaker 12: We are because we can't afford it. Just another blow

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Speaker 12: for landlords, is there? Many are saying we it's going

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Speaker 12: to sell up and get out and can't see that

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Speaker 12: happening really, And appliances won't have to be updated until

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Speaker 12: their current life is over.

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Speaker 8: But some landlords are out.

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Speaker 12: There on forum saying the sky is going to fall

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Speaker 12: in and here has won. He said, oh soon, tens Ago.

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Speaker 12: They have better homes than us, and we're the owners

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Speaker 12: of the investment property. Please mars.

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Speaker 2: I see everybody at bonds has got the sack, haven't

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Speaker 2: they They have?

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Speaker 12: And I knew we were talking about this today and

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Speaker 12: I went looking at the etymology of BONDSA. It's an

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Speaker 12: Australian slang expression from the start of the twentieth century

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Speaker 12: for something that was excellent, pleasing, very good. Sadly none

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Speaker 12: of these apply any more to Australia's most recent airline,

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Speaker 12: bonds has crashed and burned. They called the administrators in

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Speaker 12: two months ago. They've been waiting on all the staff

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Speaker 12: have been waiting with no pay for the last two months,

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Speaker 12: hoping against hope the administrators would be able to sell

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Speaker 12: the airline.

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Speaker 8: That's not happened.

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Speaker 12: Now they've all been dismissed today. Yes, they're going to

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Speaker 12: get their entitlements, we understand, but no potential buyers. And

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Speaker 12: now the suggestion this afternoon that maybe just maybe the

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Speaker 12: airline was trading while insolvent, and that is a big

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Speaker 12: no no, as you know very much too.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: Hey, thank you very much, Mars, really enjoyed talking to you.

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Speaker 2: That's Murray Old's Australia correspondent, Elon Musk Day for Elon

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Speaker 2: on Thursday, because his paypacket's going to go to a

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Speaker 2: vote finally on Thursday. This is the thing that's been

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Speaker 2: dragging on for ages. He wanted to get the fifty

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Speaker 2: million dollar I think it's fifty million dollar US paypacket

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Speaker 2: and that was struck down by the judge in Delaware

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Speaker 2: as being not really in the best interest to the

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Speaker 2: shareholders and so on. Now it's going to go to

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Speaker 2: the shareholders for a vote. Not only are they asking

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Speaker 2: the shareholders to vote on whether he should be allowed

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Speaker 2: to get this money out of the business, but also

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Speaker 2: whether they should relocate Tesla away from Delaware. And a

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Speaker 2: sort of like hissy fit protest at this decision. Sixteen

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Speaker 2: away from five.

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Speaker 1: Politics with centrics credit, check your customers and get payments.

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Speaker 2: Certainty Barry So for senior political correspondence with US. Now,

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Speaker 2: hey Barry, good afternoon. Have that do you make it?

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Speaker 2: The poll?

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Speaker 6: Well, polls are all about timing, aren't they. And you

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Speaker 6: know this government has come in, it has introduced so

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Speaker 6: much in the first six months since it's been there,

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Speaker 6: but nothing really tangibly has happened yet in terms of cuts.

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Speaker 6: For example, they don't come in until the end of July. Yes,

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Speaker 6: it'll be interesting to see what happens when they come in.

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Speaker 6: And I heard Mike Hoskin talking this morning about ram

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Speaker 6: raids and I thought I'd go and have a look

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Speaker 6: at them and the figures for those who have just

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Speaker 6: come out, they are down, as you said, more than

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Speaker 6: eighty percent for the month of April. Twelve ram raids

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Speaker 6: in April, there shouldn't be any of course, that's compared

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Speaker 6: though to sixty four in April last year. The police

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Speaker 6: starter shows that the downward trend has continued since the

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Speaker 6: peak in August twenty twenty two when there were eighty

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Speaker 6: six ram raids. So you know, it takes time for

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Speaker 6: all this to feed through to business and to the

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Speaker 6: community because the community is affected by this dreadful behavior.

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Speaker 6: So I think it's just early days. Chris lux And

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Speaker 6: won't be happy. He doesn't seem to have sort of

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Speaker 6: captured the public imagination. But I think, you know, personally,

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Speaker 6: I mean I've watched what thirteen or fourteen Prime and

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Speaker 6: As has come through in my time, and you know,

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Speaker 6: he's I think when you see him out the public

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Speaker 6: is very engaging, more engaging than many products.

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Speaker 2: But it's the problem is he flip flops on subjects, right,

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Speaker 2: But that's that's just changing his position and it's a newbie.

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Speaker 2: That's possibly true of rules, possible that the reason that

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Speaker 2: they're doing as poorly as they are in the polls

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Speaker 2: comparative for you know, where we are in the edfort

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Speaker 2: cycle is maybe a combination of the fact that they

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Speaker 2: are actually at pace doing things and also the electorate

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Speaker 2: is grumpy because the cost of living crisis sucks and

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Speaker 2: you blame the government, whoever the government is.

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Speaker 6: That's right, and they are at such pace doing things

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Speaker 6: that the public haven't really caught.

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Speaker 3: Up with that yet.

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Speaker 2: So it's it's it's kind of like it's making a

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Speaker 2: lot of people upset, right, and we don't like upset.

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Speaker 6: People are probably less upset than they were this time

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Speaker 6: last year, but they are still upset. They had hoped

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Speaker 6: that a change your government would somehow present sort of

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Speaker 6: a miraculous I.

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Speaker 2: Was meaning that you're making people that this government is

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Speaker 2: making people upset, like the people who are protesting against

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Speaker 2: the oil and gas returning, people who are upset about

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Speaker 2: Maori related changes.

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Speaker 5: That kind of wing.

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Speaker 2: It makes people feel uncomfortable.

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Speaker 6: Yes, all right, give it time. This is what I'd say.

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Speaker 6: And if I was in government, I don't think I'd

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Speaker 6: be too worried.

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Speaker 2: What has Michael Wood said? Oh well, this is why

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Speaker 2: I was looking about Michael Wood, like when this is

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Speaker 2: the period of reprieve where he's not in parliament, because

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Speaker 2: he's probably going to be back, and he was there

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Speaker 2: before and this is the down period where you're not

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Speaker 2: supposed to bring him up.

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Speaker 6: Well, like you rather excitedly said yesterday on here that

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Speaker 6: the ritual list, I mean it should be celebrated. And

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Speaker 6: I only agree that for the first time in more

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Speaker 6: than twenty years, Graham heart at worth a piddling twelve

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Speaker 6: billion dollars was knocked off. The Mowbray family with around

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Speaker 6: twenty billion. Now your old mate, the former best transport

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Speaker 6: minister in the history of the world, Michael Wood, who's

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Speaker 6: now gone to the trade unions. Of course he reckons

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Speaker 6: the country's out of bow on to most working and

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Speaker 6: the menial jobs should be recognized as well.

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Speaker 9: Our society can't function without their work. So it's kind

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Speaker 9: of about recognizing that everyone contributes. Yes, these people on

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Speaker 9: the richness, but a lot of other New Zealanders as well,

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Speaker 9: and a lot of people have been doing it tough recently.

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Speaker 9: But there is an interesting little point in here as well. Yes,

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Speaker 9: some of those people do voluntarily contribute back a lot,

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Speaker 9: but for people who are very wealthy in New Zealand,

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Speaker 9: they actually pay less than a percentage of the income

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Speaker 9: and tax than the person who's serving you at the

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Speaker 9: petrol station or the supermarket, or you and I. The

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Speaker 9: income that they earn, which is vast in this case,

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Speaker 9: and as we just heard, their wealth increased by twenty

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Speaker 9: three billion dollars over the last year. They're paying a

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Speaker 9: lower percentage rate generally than the average working person in

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Speaker 9: New Zealand.

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Speaker 6: Well you imagine that lower percentage rate on the money.

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Speaker 6: That's I'm just grateful for what be massive.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, Hey, I've got a lot of texts today coming

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Speaker 2: in like this, Heather, it's about time you raped up

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Speaker 2: the Green Party. Read Darlene's investigation from Steve.

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Speaker 6: Where still being held? I looked at that yesterday. I

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Speaker 6: was having a look at that. We don't know where

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Speaker 6: it isn't still being investigate?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, really quickly, what I've.

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Speaker 6: Gone up in the opinion poll? Well, I mean, God

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Speaker 6: only knows why.

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Speaker 2: To be fair, would it not be fair to say this?

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Speaker 2: This is because the Green Party's approach to their their

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Speaker 2: badly behaved MPs is consistent with their approach to anybody

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Speaker 2: who behaves badly. I mean, this is a party where

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Speaker 2: key members believe we need to get rid of prisons,

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Speaker 2: right so they're not really tough on anyone, so they

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Speaker 2: can hardly be tough on their own MPs, can they?

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Speaker 6: Well they should be, I think, Well.

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Speaker 2: But that's that's what you think. But does their supporters

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Speaker 2: love this kind of stuff? Chances and stuff like that,

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Speaker 2: but the.

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Speaker 6: Building on that support, So who's giving the additionals what.

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Speaker 2: I'm saying to you that internally consistent?

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Speaker 8: Right?

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Speaker 2: Berry will leave quick talking about drum quickly? What did

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Speaker 2: he say? Quick?

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Speaker 6: O Trump? Look, I'll tell you what. He started off

650
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Speaker 6: an email this morning and they've been talking to the

651
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Speaker 6: United States how he's sending out a lot of emails

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Speaker 6: at the moment looking for contributions. I got this email

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Speaker 6: the first three words and it was I love you.

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Speaker 6: I kid you not. Yes, it's true, he said, So

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Speaker 6: I saved my mega hat just for you. He said,

656
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Speaker 6: My coveted hat is a bold declaration that you stand

657
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Speaker 6: with Trump. So if you love me like I love you,

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Speaker 6: I need you to order right now. I went in

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Speaker 6: and had a look at what would take it to

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Speaker 6: order money. Yes, well I didn't say I didn't. I

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Speaker 6: didn't open the email that widely because I thought I

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Speaker 6: might have been trapped into doing.

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Speaker 2: Because their degrees of wideness with your email, your mega.

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Speaker 6: Hats around here. It was maker do and go away.

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Speaker 2: With thanks very very so for senior political correspond and

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Speaker 2: seven away from five.

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 14: I'm minister the deceive married party investigation, who runs it?

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Speaker 14: And when are we getting those details.

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Speaker 1: That'll be confirmed this week?

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Speaker 6: Just taking a step back, what we're trying to do

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Speaker 6: is make sure there's trust and confidence in the public

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Speaker 6: institutions and in.

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Speaker 1: The agencies in particular.

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Speaker 15: I don't want them essentially marking their own homework and

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Speaker 15: managing po central conflicts just because the allegations are pretty serious.

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Speaker 1: And is that part of.

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Speaker 14: The serious part or is it the serious part the

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Speaker 14: Maiori party who allegedly took information they weren't entitled to

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Speaker 14: and used it in a way that's against the law.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, well, that's why these allegations are incredibly serious, and

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Speaker 7: that's why they need to be properly investigated and the

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Speaker 7: police and the Privacy Commissioner have those powers to do

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Speaker 7: that part of it.

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Speaker 14: Back tomorrow at six am the mic Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 14: Jaguar Newstalk z B.

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Speaker 2: Hither, your excuses for the government not being popular are ridiculous. Yes,

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Speaker 2: they've rolled out a lot of stuff, all harmful, destructive

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Speaker 2: and hated. It's only going to get worse. They should

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Speaker 2: call an election and get lost. Tax cuts because the

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Speaker 2: alternative is also made. Can't wait for that government, Labor

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Speaker 2: and the Greens and the Mardi Party. Tax cuts are

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Speaker 2: stupidly low. My I'm stoked with mine. No one's going

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Speaker 2: to be happy when they eventually, I'm going to be stoked.

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Speaker 2: I'm getting eighty bucks. Didn't you know? Because I've got

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Speaker 2: a baby. That's what you want to do, get yourself

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Speaker 2: a baby. Hey, producer Andy, did you look at your

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Speaker 2: tax cuts? You'll get heaps because you've got two babies. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Producer Andy's got heaps of tax cut because he's got

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Speaker 2: two babies. I've told you this, babies work for you financially.

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Speaker 2: I mean, look to be honest, old mate. Is more

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Speaker 2: of an expense to me than eighty bucks a fortnight.

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Speaker 2: But whatever, I'm happy about that. Hither. What you and

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Speaker 2: numerous other commentators seemed to be unaware of, I presume

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Speaker 2: is that Elon Musk's proposed remuneration came about because he

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Speaker 2: asked Tesla's shaholders to grant it based on whether the

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Speaker 2: company hit incredibly steep share value, revenue and profitability targets.

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Speaker 2: If he didn't hit them, he'd be paid nothing. The

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Speaker 2: likelihood of the company breaking all three was deemed incredibly low,

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Speaker 2: but under his stewardship, the company hit them. It was

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Speaker 2: a contract. Shareholders have done better than they believe. They

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Speaker 2: might call it a hissy fit if you like, but

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Speaker 2: he's got every right to believe or to feel that

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Speaker 2: Delaware Judge activist, Delaware Judge had no business overturning orders rightfully.

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Speaker 2: His cheers, Nick, Thank you Nick. Petrol companies have copped

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Speaker 2: a taling off from the ComCom for putting up their

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Speaker 2: price is really fast when the oil price goes up,

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Speaker 2: but then dropping them really slowly when it comes back

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Speaker 2: down again. Sometimes they even dawdle for two weeks. This

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Speaker 2: has been called in the industry rockets and feathers, because

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Speaker 2: the price rockets up and then it fathers down. The

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Speaker 2: delay is apparently costing US fifteen million bucks a year

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Speaker 2: at the pump. We're going to talk to the AA

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Speaker 2: about that. In twenty minutes time. But the police officer

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Speaker 2: investigating the Tekawiti baby's death is with us straight after.

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Speaker 1: The News, the only drive show you can trust to

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Speaker 1: ask the questions, get the answers, by the facts and

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Speaker 1: give the analysis. Heather due to Celum Drive with One

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Speaker 1: New Zealand, let's get connected and news talk as.

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Speaker 2: They'd be to the case of the Tekowity baby homicide investigation.

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Speaker 2: The baby's father has spoken out that he was alone

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Speaker 2: at home with the baby at the time, but he

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Speaker 2: didn't kill the boy. He says, the baby, ten month

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Speaker 2: old m staffa Ali, choked and he tried to save him. Police, though,

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Speaker 2: believe the boy died of violent blunt force trauma and

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Speaker 2: that it wasn't an accident. Detective Inspector Graham pitt Keithley

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Speaker 2: is leading the case. High Graham, Hello, do you believe

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Speaker 2: the dad's story?

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Speaker 16: I'm aware of a dad story as of reported before.

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Speaker 16: We believe he's some inconsistencies with the statements that we

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Speaker 16: we had and the inquiry teams weaken really hard to

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Speaker 16: corroborate some of that information and determine what those inconsistencies

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Speaker 16: are and basically based around the injuries that has been

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Speaker 16: suffered by Mustafa, So.

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Speaker 2: What his version of how the boy that the injuries

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Speaker 2: the boy got does not match up with the injuries

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Speaker 2: that you guys are aware of.

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Speaker 16: The injuries that Mustafa has and the explanations we're getting

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Speaker 16: from members of the family that we're speaking to inconsistent.

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Speaker 2: Okay, what kind of injuries does the boy have?

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Speaker 16: I'm not going to comment on the actual injuries in

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Speaker 16: regards to its still somewhat complex matter and for the

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Speaker 16: pathologists to undertake his reporting for us in a specialist

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Speaker 16: but as obviously before, in regards to what we do know,

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Speaker 16: it is blunt falls trauma and it's not consistent with

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Speaker 16: an accident at this stage, and that's why we're investigating.

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Speaker 2: Why don't you think it was accidental.

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Speaker 16: Due to the violent injuries that the Mustafa has suffered.

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Speaker 2: Well, are you saying it's just too much to be

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Speaker 2: an accident?

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Speaker 16: Yeah, pretty much, that's what I'm saying. It just seems

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Speaker 16: to be inconsistent with what we would expect from an accident. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 16: children do have accidents, and we do have a lot

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Speaker 16: of reports it get investigated around non accidental and accidental injuries.

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Speaker 16: So with their experience in regards to working with our

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Speaker 16: experence to try and determine what is accidental and what

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Speaker 16: is non accidental face in this case very early on

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Speaker 16: in regards to our initial enquiries, it is inconsistent with

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Speaker 16: being an accident. The injuries city subject.

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Speaker 2: Were you already aware that there was an incident late

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Speaker 2: last year where the boy was hurt?

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Speaker 16: Yet we were aware in regards to a notification Intober

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Speaker 16: and November last year around you must art for being injured, It's.

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Speaker 2: Correct, Yes, were you investigating that?

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Speaker 16: Yes, yep, we are investigating and it will be reinvestigated

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Speaker 16: as part of this Somerson and quiry.

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Speaker 2: But so Graham, you were you already investigating it and

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Speaker 2: you were still investigating at the time of the boy's death.

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Speaker 16: The investigation ad was that the completion stage that from

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Speaker 16: October November last year. But it will be fully investigated

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Speaker 16: again as part of a homicide inquiry.

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Speaker 2: Okay. And can you say whether you had determined who

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Speaker 2: was like whether somebody was guilty for that.

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Speaker 16: No, I'm not going to outline that at the moment.

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Speaker 16: As I said, I wanted to be fully reinvestigated ast

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Speaker 16: a somemicide inquiry.

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Speaker 2: So ram should should that investigation. Given given the age

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Speaker 2: of the boy, should that investigation actually have happened faster.

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Speaker 16: No, I'm satisfied at this initial stages that the start

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Speaker 16: that we're investigating has done the best that they can

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Speaker 16: and relation to that, like anything in these tragic situations,

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Speaker 16: we will go back and have a look to see

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Speaker 16: if there was anything else that could have been done.

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Speaker 16: And I can't give you a comment on that at

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Speaker 16: the moment because there's a set at store under investigation

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Speaker 16: at South and will be part of a wider homicide investigation.

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Speaker 2: Is that when Ornatamriki got involved.

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Speaker 16: Oh look, I can't comment on anything from another an agency,

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Speaker 16: but with anythink under our child protection protocols, there are

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Speaker 16: joint investigation processes that we undertake with Ronnie Kameriki, so

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Speaker 16: we try and work together on our excedents and non

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Speaker 16: accidental injuries or accidental injuries in regards to people reporting

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Speaker 16: concern around children.

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Speaker 2: And in this case, is everyone cooperating.

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Speaker 16: Yes, everyone is speaking to the police. I just have

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Speaker 16: some concerns around the inconsistencies of some of the statements.

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Speaker 2: At We're getting all right, Graham, listen, Thank you very

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Speaker 2: much for your time and best of like getting to

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Speaker 2: the bottom of this. It's Graham pitt Keithley, the detective

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Speaker 2: inspector leading the case.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: Good news for farmers on the eve of field days.

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Speaker 2: They're not going to have to pay for their emissions.

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Speaker 2: The government has announced agriculture will not be included in

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Speaker 2: the emissions trading scheme and hair walker Echinoia will be scrapped. Finally,

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Speaker 2: Simon Watts is the of a Climate Change and joins us.

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Speaker 17: Now, Hey, Simon, Hey, Heather, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for being with us. So you're taking them

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Speaker 2: out of the emissions trading scheme, but are you still

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Speaker 2: expecting them to find some sort of way to pay

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Speaker 2: through some sort of other mechanism for their emissions.

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Speaker 17: Look, we're keeping our promise to farmers to take it

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Speaker 17: out of the ets, but we are going to be

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Speaker 17: working with a farming community around what are the viable

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Speaker 17: pathways for them to look to reduce emissions. And we're

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Speaker 17: still committed to buy twenty thirty to introduce some form

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Speaker 17: of emissions pricing, but is a long period between now

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Speaker 17: and then. But we want to work with the industry,

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Speaker 17: not against them, to make that a reality because this

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Speaker 17: is a really challenging area.

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Speaker 2: You've scrapped here Walker Econoi, you've set up another working

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Speaker 2: group to replace it. What's the point of that working group?

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Speaker 17: Look, the working group that we've established is going to

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Speaker 17: have individuals and entities across the sector. Minister maclay from

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Speaker 17: Agers is leading on that piece. But this is really

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Speaker 17: just a reset from us. The model that was set

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Speaker 17: up under the prior government was dead in the water.

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Speaker 17: It wasn't working.

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Speaker 18: We're reframing that and.

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Speaker 17: We've got a good relationship with the SECT now and

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Speaker 17: we're working progressively with them to do what we need

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Speaker 17: to do.

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Speaker 2: What are you hoping to get from the four hundred

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Speaker 2: million dollars that you're putting into R and D well.

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Speaker 17: Look, the key element for us is to get pathways

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Speaker 17: that we can reduce agricultural emissions. Who want that to

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Speaker 17: be industry and farmer lad because our farmers are some

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Speaker 17: of the most carbon efficient farmers in the world, already

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Speaker 17: bit at innovation, and you know, I'm confident in our

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Speaker 17: farmers that we can find a pathway to not only

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Speaker 17: reduce emissions but also maintain our production because we also

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Speaker 17: need to export to the world. We've got to find

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Speaker 17: the balance between those two things and protect not only

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Speaker 17: our economy but also the resilience in the livelihoods of

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Speaker 17: our farmers as well, and the previous model was putting

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Speaker 17: both of those things at threat.

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Speaker 2: Yeah too, right, hey, Simon, thank you very much, good

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Speaker 2: call on the decision. Simon Watts, Minister of Climate.

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Speaker 1: Change Heather dook.

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Speaker 2: To the AA shortly about what the what the fuel

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Speaker 2: companies are doing to us in the trouble edge just

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Speaker 2: got themselves and with the Commerce Commission, do you w

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Speaker 2: don't know how much crime five oh ones have done

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Speaker 2: in New Zealand just since they've been coming in. I

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Speaker 2: saw this today. I thought this was quite remarkable given

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Speaker 2: the discussion we had yesterday. The data, so since twenty fifteen,

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Speaker 2: when this sort of kicked off, the deportees who've come

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Speaker 2: here from Australia have committed twenty one thousand, four hundred

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Speaker 2: and four offenses in New Zealand, which is significant. I mean,

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Speaker 2: if you sort of just rounded out and said it's

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Speaker 2: around about ten years, we're talking about more than two

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Speaker 2: thousand defenses every single year. That's a lot, right. It's

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Speaker 2: broken down in a much greater detail for the last

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Speaker 2: fourteen months, so from March last year. The number of

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Speaker 2: offenses that were committed in that period is four thy

876
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:38,319
Speaker 2: six hundred and forty four. Nine hundred and seventy of

877
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,359
Speaker 2: them are violence offenses, more than fifty of them are

878
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 2: sexual offenses, more than six hundred and thirty four of

879
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 2: them are drug and anti social offenses, and more than

880
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 2: thirteen hundred of them are dishonesty offenses. We would one

881
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 2: hundred percent be better off if these people weren't coming here,

882
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:54,399
Speaker 2: but there's not a lot we can do other than

883
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 2: try to fix it when they get here, if we

884
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 2: possibly can. Quarter past coming up, eighteen past five. The

885
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,720
Speaker 2: Comunimiss has taken a crack at fuel companies for rushing

886
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 2: to put the price of petrol up, but then dawdling

887
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 2: when they bring it back down. ComCom reckons the fuel

888
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 2: companies are costing US motorists fifteen million bucks a year

889
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 2: by delaying the drops in the petrol prices. Terry Collins

890
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:18,919
Speaker 2: is the AA Principal policy Advisor and joins me Now Hi, Terry, Afternoon, Heather.

891
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 2: So they call this thing rockets and feathers, where the

892
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:22,839
Speaker 2: price rockets up but then feathers down. Is that what

893
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 2: you're seeing Yeah, well, I.

894
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,280
Speaker 7: Don't know if we've seen it or not. They've reported

895
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 7: on it where they can't explain why it's happening. What

896
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 7: I find interesting is that back when they did the

897
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 7: market survey in two nineteen, this condition, which is quite

898
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 7: common overseas, didn't exist. Now they have a new way

899
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 7: of modeling and they've found this rocket and feathers effect occurring. Well,

900
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 7: I find that interesting is because usually that occurs in

901
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,760
Speaker 7: a market where there's not a lot of information around pricing.

902
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,839
Speaker 7: But since the first survey, we've now got all our

903
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 7: grades of fuel or advertising outside the service station, We've

904
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 7: got these fuel laps, We've got it. So what should

905
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 7: have improved? The information consumers? Have seemed to have an

906
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 7: effect that it shouldn't have had, and I can't explain

907
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 7: it and they can't explain it.

908
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,879
Speaker 2: Are the petrol companies actually obligated? I mean, what's going

909
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 2: on right is that the price of oil goes up,

910
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 2: so they put the price of petrol up. The price

911
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 2: of oil comes down, so they slowly put the price

912
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 2: of petrol. Now are they obligated to do it quickly?

913
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 2: Can you know they're a business? Can they do it

914
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 2: when they want?

915
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 5: To yeah.

916
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 7: Well, sometimes due to competition they take a bit of

917
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 7: a haircut no, and other times they've got to make

918
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 7: up for it. It's a long term game for them

919
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 7: over the year, with fluctuations within it. I sometimes explain

920
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 7: to people, Okay, that tank of fuel in the service

921
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 7: station there, that was board over a month ago. I've

922
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 7: got ship processed and done whatever, and now they've got

923
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 7: to sell it. Well, if the price goes down, I've

924
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 7: still got to They paid a high price for it,

925
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 7: so they've got to somehow get their money back. If

926
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 7: the price goes up, they go, oh, I can't brought

927
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 7: that the cheap posts, but my next tank's got to

928
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 7: be more expensive. So maybe I just try to get

929
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 7: as much as I can, knowing I've got to pay more.

930
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,320
Speaker 7: I don't know how much of that exists within the market,

931
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 7: but I would really love an explanation on the comcoms

932
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 7: to what's causing the supplete.

933
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,359
Speaker 2: The Commics Commission says they've kind of warned the fuel

934
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 2: companies right. They say that they're going to be watching

935
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:09,840
Speaker 2: when the Auckland Regional fuel tax comes out, which I

936
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 2: think is it this month or next month, I can't remember,

937
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:13,399
Speaker 2: but anyway, end of this month, end of this month,

938
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 2: are the people company is going to care?

939
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, they are.

940
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 7: I mean this is a classic shot across the bail

941
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 7: by the Commis Commission. But I'll be talking to context

942
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 7: within the industry and they're very keen because of the

943
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:28,399
Speaker 7: optics on it, not least by the media and by

944
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:32,439
Speaker 7: the Commis Commission to ensure that the Auckland motorists get

945
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 7: their full eleven and a half cents discount or rebate

946
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 7: the decreasing price come one July. I know one of

947
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 7: the large major's got a big team work and on it,

948
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 7: trying to get it down by Mignal, it on Matt David.

949
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 7: It comes into effect across all these stations.

950
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 2: Now, that's what I want to hear. Terry, love my dollars,

951
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Terry Collins, AA Principal policy advisor. Here.

952
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 2: The read the deportees that's just a known offense is

953
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 2: obviously will be much higher, which is a fair point.

954
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 2: Craig Actually, and quite a few people are saying that

955
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 2: if you can count the number of crimes, that's that's

956
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 2: just what we've managed to put our finger on.

957
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:03,879
Speaker 1: Now.

958
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 2: Consumer New Zealand is going pretty hard on the scam

959
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 2: the scam stuff with the banks and the fact that

960
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 2: the banks aren't doing enough to prevent scams. And I'm

961
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 2: with them on that. Really the big banks are not

962
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 2: doing enough. But I do think Consuman New Zealand have

963
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 2: gone a little bit far. Today they put out a petition.

964
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 2: They're calling on the government to step in and basically

965
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,919
Speaker 2: to force the banks to reimburse pretty much all scam

966
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 2: victims unless the victim has been grossly negligent. I think

967
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 2: that's going too far because I think, I mean, how

968
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 2: much I want the I do want the bank to

969
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 2: put guardrails up so that you don't you know, you

970
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 2: don't make accidents and you kind of you know what's

971
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 2: up and you get a warning and stuff like that.

972
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 2: But dude, if you want to draw out several hundred

973
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 2: thousand dollars and give it to your Nigerian lover in

974
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 2: some sort of a weird thing that you're up to,

975
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 2: I mean, and you're determined and the taller says this

976
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 2: is a scam and you just determined to do it,

977
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 2: is that the teller's fault. I don't think it is.

978
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 1: Anywhere.

979
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 2: We'll talk to consumer after half us five about that

980
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 2: five point twenty two.

981
00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, the due to see Ellen cutting through the noise

982
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 1: to get the facts. It's hither duper c Allen drive

983
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,919
Speaker 1: with one New Zealand let's get connected and news talk

984
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 1: as they'd be five t four.

985
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 2: So today we've got another MP, second in a row,

986
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 2: got another MP who's done absolutely nothing wrong, who is

987
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:17,319
Speaker 2: apparently a bad boy for claiming the accommodation allowance that

988
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:19,359
Speaker 2: MPs are entitled to. And we know he's a bad

989
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 2: boy because he's in the media for it. So the

990
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 2: bad boy today is Kiaran macnaughty and as a crime,

991
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 2: apparently is claiming the accommodation allowance while living in his

992
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 2: new wife's flat in Potoni. The bad boy yesterday, of course,

993
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 2: was Tim Costley, and his crime was claiming the accommodation

994
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 2: allowance for a flat in Wellington when his electorate is

995
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,359
Speaker 2: only an hour's drive up the road. Neither of these

996
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 2: guys are doing anything wrong, right. They're both MP's based

997
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 2: out of Wellington. Kiaran's in the wider Upper Tim is

998
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 2: in Ortucky and both of them are entitled to the

999
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,320
Speaker 2: allowance regardless of whether they live in their own flat

1000
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 2: or their wife's flat. Or a landlord's flat. They can

1001
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 2: get the money. However, even though neither of them are

1002
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 2: doing anything wrong. This rule's got to change. And the

1003
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 2: only reason, like I'm totally arguing this on perception, right,

1004
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 2: the reason that this rule's got to change is because

1005
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:08,839
Speaker 2: it looks bad. Because it is a terrible look right.

1006
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 2: I mean, most people in this country just move in

1007
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 2: with their husband or wife when they get married. They

1008
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:15,879
Speaker 2: don't get married, move in and then go, hey, boss,

1009
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 2: just if you could help pay off my new wife's mortgage,

1010
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 2: that would be really great. Most of us just buy

1011
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 2: a house to move in. If we relocate for a job,

1012
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 2: we buy a house in the town that we're going into.

1013
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 2: This what I did I move in. I didn't say

1014
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:30,399
Speaker 2: to my boss, you made me move to Auckland. Can

1015
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 2: you help me pay for the mortgage please? I mean,

1016
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 2: I get the point is that most of us do

1017
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:37,879
Speaker 2: not travel for work. We don't commute. We basically live

1018
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 2: in the town that we work in, and that is

1019
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 2: a difference. But frankly, that stuff is starting to that's

1020
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,400
Speaker 2: like starting to get splitting here, as territorires explaining is

1021
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 2: losing hair. This is just a terrible perception. It just

1022
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,720
Speaker 2: is a terrible perception. And you know it's a terrible

1023
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 2: percession perception because we've now had two days of stories

1024
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:56,839
Speaker 2: about two MP's who've done nothing wrong. We've had Chris

1025
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 2: Luxen in trouble for taking the money doing nothing wrong.

1026
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 2: We've had Bill English historically in trouble for taking the

1027
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 2: money for doing nothing wrong. Clearly people don't like it.

1028
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 2: Now my prediction is nothing is going to change because

1029
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:10,839
Speaker 2: MPs love this perk way too much. Who wouldn't, So

1030
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 2: they're not going to want to change it. But they

1031
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:15,240
Speaker 2: should because there is a growing resentment towards the political

1032
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 2: class screwing the scrum in their favor all of the time,

1033
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:20,319
Speaker 2: like taking a pay rise while they fire thousands of

1034
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 2: public servants. And it led this perception of this growing

1035
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 2: resentment towards the political class led to the US in

1036
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 2: twenty six twenty sixteen voting led to them voting in

1037
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 2: a clown like Trump just because he's not in the

1038
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,359
Speaker 2: political class. They're about to do exactly the same thing

1039
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 2: for the same reason. Politicians can keep on taking the

1040
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:40,439
Speaker 2: entitlements that they are entitled to if they want to,

1041
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 2: but they will not be respected for it, even if

1042
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:43,240
Speaker 2: it's in the rules.

1043
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 1: Ever, do to see Allan, here is another.

1044
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 2: Reason for you to have a baby. Paid parental leave

1045
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 2: is going up from July. So the paid parental leave

1046
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:56,359
Speaker 2: is currently seven seven hundred and twelve dollars per week.

1047
00:48:56,440 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 2: Is per week. That's not bad. That's the accommodation allowance.

1048
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:03,720
Speaker 2: There's a lot of money. Seven hundred and twelve dollars

1049
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 2: per week. It's going to go up to seven hundred

1050
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 2: and fifty four dollars per week. So there you go.

1051
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 2: If you don't know what to do with yourself later

1052
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 2: on today or whatever, just start thinking of ways to

1053
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 2: make money by having a baby. And you get a

1054
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:17,840
Speaker 2: text cut too. I got an email from Jerry earlier

1055
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:20,359
Speaker 2: today which I think is on the point. Heather. There's

1056
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 2: a lot of radio silence about Dame Patsy Ready, isn't there?

1057
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 2: Just I just want you to know that the show

1058
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 2: is keeping tabs on a bunch of things. We're still

1059
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:30,280
Speaker 2: waiting for Rob Nical to set up his rebel group

1060
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:33,399
Speaker 2: the Tribunal, we're waiting for Patsy Ready to quit over

1061
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 2: the governance proposal thing that didn't go away, and we're

1062
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 2: still waiting for Darlene Tanner's investigation Headline's.

1063
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 1: Next hard Questions. Strong opinion, Heather Duper see allan drive

1064
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,799
Speaker 1: with one New Zealand let's get connected and news talk

1065
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 1: as it'd be.

1066
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 2: Rady Ruby on your watch list as well, although I'm

1067
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 2: starting to lose hope in that one. I don't know

1068
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 2: about you, Heather. I almost always agree with you, but

1069
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 2: today you're wrong. Politicians work in Wellington and in their electorate.

1070
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:10,359
Speaker 2: It's not as straightforward as buying a house with your

1071
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 2: new jobs. Do you know what I feel like I

1072
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 2: should clarify. I don't mind if they get an accommodation allowance.

1073
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 2: I just don't think they should be able to get

1074
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 2: an accommodation allowance to live in their property that they

1075
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 2: own themselves. In the end, it's not going to cost

1076
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:21,800
Speaker 2: us any less, right, It's all they're going to do

1077
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 2: is they're going to rent out their flat, move into

1078
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:25,320
Speaker 2: another flat and claim it for that that. It's just

1079
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 2: the perception thing will change, and that I think is

1080
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 2: everything in this. We'll talk to the Huddle about it.

1081
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 2: They're going to be with us very shortly. Do you

1082
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:35,879
Speaker 2: remember our Defense Force recently was conducting those patrols near

1083
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:37,880
Speaker 2: North Korea to see if the if North Korea was

1084
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 2: breaking the UN sanctions, and then the North Koreans busted

1085
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 2: us doing and they got really angry at us for it.

1086
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:45,359
Speaker 2: Here's a juicy update on that for you. The Air

1087
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 2: Force reckons it did, in fact bust some sanctioned breaches.

1088
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Speaker 2: It had it aside and up and it's sore. It

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Speaker 2: reckons it saw ship to ship transfers of coal and oil.

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Speaker 2: So like these things, they're doing it while at sea,

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00:50:57,800 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 2: that pull up next to each other, presumably tie up,

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00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:02,399
Speaker 2: next raft up, and then they start transferring the coal

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Speaker 2: in the will quite how you do? I mean we'd

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00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 2: be talking about a significant amount of coal on a

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Speaker 2: ship and a significant amount of oil, and quite how

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Speaker 2: you do that? And how long that takes? No idea,

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00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 2: but anyway, a bit.

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Speaker 19: More elaborate than a bucket line. You're saying heither you

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Speaker 19: know the one where you why when you fills up

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Speaker 19: the bucket then you pass it to the next guy.

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Speaker 2: Imagine how long it would take if you were just like, hey,

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Speaker 2: I'm just going to chuck some coal over at you

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Speaker 2: just just clear the deck. You would go like, hang on.

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Speaker 19: This one's kind of a funny shape, so it doesn't

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00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 19: fit in the bucket. So we'll need to yehez.

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00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 2: No, you'd have to have some you'd have to be

1107
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:32,279
Speaker 2: smarter than us and figure out a system. Fortunately, the

1108
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 2: Air Force actually reckons, they saw what happenings, so they

1109
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 2: can answer those questions. Though with us after six it's

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Speaker 2: twenty three away from six.

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Speaker 1: Heather duer Seel Consumer.

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Speaker 2: New Zealand is launching a petition calling for banks to

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00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:44,879
Speaker 2: reimburse scam victims. Now. They think that unless a scam

1114
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 2: victim has been grossly negligent, the bank should have a

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00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 2: responsibility to pay back any money that was nicked. Jessica

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Speaker 2: Walker is the communications and campaigns manager at Consumer and

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00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 2: with US Now. Hey Jessica, Hi, how are you very well?

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00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:58,839
Speaker 2: Thank you, Jessica. I would imagine that very very few

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Speaker 2: scam victims would be considered grossly negligent.

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Speaker 20: Yet no, no, I wouldn't agree with that at all.

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Speaker 20: So I think that scammers are being targeted by professional

1122
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 20: invisible criminals, and what they're doing is they're leading people

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Speaker 20: to believe that they are on a legitimate site or

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00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 20: they are being made an offer that is legitimate. And

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Speaker 20: so at the minute, our lacklist to protections in the

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00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 20: banking system makes us easy prey and so that's why

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00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:24,800
Speaker 20: we've launched this campaign today.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: No, The reason I'm asking you there is because we

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00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 2: would be talking about reimbursing reimbursing most scam victims, wouldn't.

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Speaker 20: We Yes, it would be it would be most most

1132
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 20: scam victims. Absolutely, yeah, is that reasonable? Yes? So before

1133
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 20: we launched this campaign, we've looked around to see what's

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Speaker 20: being done in other countries. So we've looked specifically at

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Speaker 20: the UK, Australia and Singapore and what we've seen there

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00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 20: is that governments have taken a really strong stance to

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Speaker 20: protect their people. And so what we're wresting our government

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00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 20: is just to do the same, to offer New Zealand

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00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:56,760
Speaker 20: as the same protection so that we are no longer

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Speaker 20: at the mercy of these these these cyber criminals.

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00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 2: But what would we do in an instance where a

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00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:06,919
Speaker 2: scam victim genuinely believes that they are transferring money into

1143
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 2: something that is completely legit. The bank tells them it's

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00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 2: not legit, don't do it. They are determined to do it.

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00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 2: Whose fault is that?

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00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 7: Well?

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00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 2: And it goes through right, because I'm an adult, and

1148
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 2: if I want to see money to a scam, I

1149
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:21,280
Speaker 2: have the right to do that, And then afterwards I'm angry.

1150
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 2: Whose fault is that?

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00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:26,799
Speaker 20: Well, that's a really good question. So I mean it

1152
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:29,799
Speaker 20: depends all of these All of these circumstances obviously going

1153
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:32,279
Speaker 20: to be different. And if the bank can tell you

1154
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:35,799
Speaker 20: that it is a genuine scam and then you choose

1155
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 20: to go ahead, then you'll be classed grossly negligent. So

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00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 20: if the bank has used their intelligence to tell you

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00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:42,320
Speaker 20: that this is a scammer and you still go ahead,

1158
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 20: then of course that's on you. But most of the

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00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:47,240
Speaker 20: time that's really not what's happening. These are innocent people

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00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:50,879
Speaker 20: being exploited by professional criminals, and at the minute, all

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00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 20: the rescue is being carried by your average citizen. Nobody

1162
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 20: else is liable almost saying that's not fair. Things We've

1163
00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 20: got to change.

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Speaker 2: Are you at all worried that this may tip into

1165
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 2: kind of an uncomfortable situation where the banks get way

1166
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:03,919
Speaker 2: too up in your girl, because none of us loved

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00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:06,319
Speaker 2: it when the banks were going through our receipts and

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00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 2: looking at what we was how much money we were

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00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 2: spending on KFC before it before allowing us to buy

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Speaker 2: a out, and I just wonder if we might be

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00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 2: requiring the banks to get just a little too into

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Speaker 2: the weeds with us.

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Speaker 20: I think what we need to do is we need

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00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 20: to look at what's happening elsewhere. So there's something called

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00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 20: so a real payment network which has been in existence

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00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:28,719
Speaker 20: in the UK since two thousand and eight, real time payment. Sorry,

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00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 20: we don't have that here and now, and that doesn't

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00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:33,920
Speaker 20: just make payments faster, it makes them smarter. And so

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00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 20: that means that there's so much information that banks can

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Speaker 20: see and that can help them to determine what's going on.

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00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 20: So everybody has that level of I guess, just clarity

1182
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 20: that things are safe and fine. We don't have that.

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00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:49,400
Speaker 20: So at the minute, it's all on risk, and the

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00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:52,320
Speaker 20: risk is on us. And so we're saying that because

1185
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:55,799
Speaker 20: of the lack of investment in the banking infrastructure and systems,

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00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 20: we think that that banks need to step up and

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Speaker 20: provide these protections that currently exist elseware and not here.

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Speaker 20: So that's what's behind our campaign. It's launched today.

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Speaker 2: No fair enough. They really need to do more. Jessica,

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Jessica Walker. Consumer Communications and Campaigns Manager.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southby's international realty unparalleled reach

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Speaker 1: and results.

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Speaker 2: I'm the huddle with us this evening. We've go Jordan

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Speaker 2: Williams of the Taxpayers Union and Jack Tame, hosts of

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Speaker 2: Saturday Mornings and Q and A Lads. Hello Jordan. Big

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00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 2: news for the farmers today because they don't have to

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00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:26,879
Speaker 2: pay for their emissions. Do you think it's a smart move.

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Speaker 18: Well, it's a huge win for the fed farmers, beef

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Speaker 18: and lands as ground swell, et cetera, et cetera. Yes,

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Speaker 18: huge win. And I mean it is stupid that we'd

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00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:41,279
Speaker 18: shoot ourselves in the foot and say, look, you New

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00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:44,239
Speaker 18: Zealand farmers need to pay for agricultural emissions where no

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00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:46,879
Speaker 18: one else in the world is. The all comes back

1204
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 18: to New Zealand. It has as a third World style

1205
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:53,240
Speaker 18: emissions profile. And then it's you know, the big, the bigger,

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00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 18: we're bigger misss of methane, but we've signed on to

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Speaker 18: first world carbon agreements. It is a real problem from

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00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:03,799
Speaker 18: an economic perspective and a tax pising is perspective. We

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00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:07,360
Speaker 18: don't We're pretty uncomfortable with the government playing favorites in

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00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 18: terms of industry and the eaty Yes, because of course

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00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 18: these other industries that are internationally competitive having to pay

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00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:17,400
Speaker 18: under an easy Yes, why should agriculture be different. But

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00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:19,759
Speaker 18: it depends if you take a purist approach or a

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00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 18: you're on the side of farmers. But certainly what it's

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00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 18: been about three years of hard work for those organizations

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Speaker 18: and today they won.

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Speaker 2: Jackie, are you going to say what I think you're

1218
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 2: going to say?

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00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 5: What do you think I'm going to say that smart move?

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00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 8: No?

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Speaker 5: I think it was an entirely predictable move. I mean,

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Speaker 5: I you know it does feel you love it? Well,

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00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 5: I mean it feels like a predictable move in that

1224
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 5: I think herewakeg I was looking pretty dead. And I

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00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 5: mean the associate minister you now have you know, contributing

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00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 5: to the government's position on these issues, was themself vehemently

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00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:58,320
Speaker 5: opposed having been part of that. You love that process.

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00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:02,799
Speaker 5: I love what's for a smart move? Now, I didn't

1229
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 5: say it was a smart movement? Well, I mean, I

1230
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:09,880
Speaker 5: think at some point we do have to reckon without

1231
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 5: with the role that methane plays. And Jordan's I mean

1232
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 5: made an interesting comment right said, we've signed up to

1233
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 5: these international agreements regarding carbon but in a sense we

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00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 5: have a third world emissions profile because methane makes up

1235
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 5: so much of our missions profile. But of course that

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00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:27,920
Speaker 5: the current zero commitments that we have don't include methane.

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00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 5: They do, they do include a significant reduction, but it's

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Speaker 5: a band for reduction of methane and in lieu of

1239
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 5: anything any technologies to bring down our methane reductions that

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00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 5: have yet been proven. I do think it's going to

1241
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 5: be a challenge for future generations to face, and I

1242
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Speaker 5: do find it interesting that so often the industry position

1243
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 5: on this is one of leakage, right, Like, if New

1244
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:53,240
Speaker 5: Zealand starts charging methane then you know, charging for methane emissions,

1245
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:56,439
Speaker 5: then that that that industry will move overseas. I looked

1246
00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 5: up to Climate Course and stuff, because they did a

1247
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 5: big report on this and said consequently, the risk of

1248
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 5: leakage does not appear high enough to provide a convincing

1249
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Speaker 5: argument for New Zealand not to implement to reduce its

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00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 5: own emissions. So, I mean they don't. The Climate Change Commission, but.

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Speaker 2: What can's own report said that leakage was going to

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Speaker 2: be significant.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but that's industry lead right, No, that was joined.

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00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:26,680
Speaker 18: That was our point of you know, is you know

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00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 18: we're together. The other point that the farmers would look on.

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Speaker 18: I arrived at field days this afternoon. We're over the

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00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 18: next few days, and so I'm going to fit to

1258
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 18: put the farmer's head on here. One of the problems

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00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 18: with methane, and it's a it's a valid argument that

1260
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 18: no one's really tackled, is that, unlike CEO two, it

1261
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 18: breaks down in twenty years. So if you can make

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00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 18: the argument that as long as you're not producing more

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00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:52,520
Speaker 18: methane than we were twenty years ago, we are actually neutral.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, which is a fair point.

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Speaker 5: It breaks it breaks down in twenty years. But but

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00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 5: but let me ask does it do Does it have

1267
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:00,840
Speaker 5: more or less of a warming effect those twins.

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Speaker 18: As long as you're not producing more.

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00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:08,120
Speaker 2: No, but you're only replacing what you were doing.

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Speaker 5: Twins live fast, young. But it's not it's hardly met

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00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 5: zero though.

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00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 18: Is it. As long as you're not producing more, you're

1273
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 18: you're only producing what's breaking down. You're not having a

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00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 18: net warming effect.

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00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 5: My point is it's not neat zero, which is which

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00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:26,240
Speaker 5: is which is to go back to your initial points

1277
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:28,440
Speaker 5: around the international targets we're signed up to.

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00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:30,920
Speaker 2: It's not neat zero, it's less than what we might

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00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 2: Now I'm going to confuse jack because now I feel

1280
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 2: like you don't think it's a good idea.

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00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 5: I don't think what's a good idea.

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Speaker 2: Making the farmers taking the farmers out of the e

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Speaker 2: T s.

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Speaker 5: No all, I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: I'm just trying to get you think you've got your

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00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 2: bum pricked.

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Speaker 5: On in lieu of another option. I think this is

1288
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 5: going to be an issue that at some point we

1289
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:58,600
Speaker 5: have to reconiz when it comes to when it comes

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00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 5: to our missions profile. It's not to say that hiwaki

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01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:04,440
Speaker 5: Ichino was necessarily going to be the best option, but

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01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 5: it is to say that I think future generations are

1293
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 5: probably going to have to reckon with this in some ways.

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01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 2: Maybe they calm down, Jackson. There's an alternative. There is

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01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 2: an alternative bodies that.

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01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 5: Can actually do anything about this.

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01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 2: There's an alternative which is that actually everybody just calms

1298
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:20,480
Speaker 2: the farm and realizes climate change may not be priority

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Speaker 2: number one. We'll come back to the huddle and just

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Speaker 2: to take fourteen away from.

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Speaker 1: Six the huddle with New Zealand Southerba's international realty, exceptional

1302
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Speaker 1: marketing for every property.

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Speaker 2: All right, we're back of the huddle, Jack Tam Jordan Williams. Jack,

1304
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:34,240
Speaker 2: do you reckon? Eighty k is enough to get someone

1305
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:36,400
Speaker 2: to knock on that Missing Data Matter corpor I would

1306
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 2: for eighty k just put that out there.

1307
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Speaker 5: I think it probably is. If indeed there are people

1308
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:44,160
Speaker 5: who have information which they think they could find them with,

1309
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:47,040
Speaker 5: then yep, I reckon. I reckon eighty K is probably

1310
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 5: working to someone.

1311
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm children. You can buy yourself a nice Highlucks

1312
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:51,040
Speaker 2: and still have money left over.

1313
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:54,440
Speaker 18: You'd have to have a heck of a lot of

1314
01:00:54,440 --> 01:01:00,200
Speaker 18: loyalty to be involved in sheltering the stare that war

1315
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Speaker 18: poor family.

1316
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:03,360
Speaker 2: Yeah. True. Hey, listen, while I've got you Jordan on

1317
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:06,800
Speaker 2: that pole today, do you reckon? Because you're responsible for this,

1318
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:08,479
Speaker 2: I need to say that you guys pay for this pole?

1319
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:11,600
Speaker 2: Do you reckon? The Coalition government will ever really improve

1320
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:12,480
Speaker 2: their popularity?

1321
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:17,560
Speaker 18: Well, Bulger was never particularly popular, and yet you know

1322
01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:20,000
Speaker 18: I had a had at least the first three years

1323
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:23,120
Speaker 18: of that government was pretty successful. I mean, the thing

1324
01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:26,439
Speaker 18: that I'm worried about is not a huge amount of movement.

1325
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:27,880
Speaker 18: You know, I'm not going to do a Mikey Sherman

1326
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 18: and jump up and down and say this is the

1327
01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:32,920
Speaker 18: best pole ever. But it is the first of the

1328
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:36,680
Speaker 18: major polls post budget, not a hell of a heat

1329
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:38,520
Speaker 18: of a lot of movement. I thought that the hero

1330
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Speaker 18: saying that it was some shock for the Nats, well

1331
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:43,280
Speaker 18: it was. It's all margin of era stuff. I thought

1332
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:44,960
Speaker 18: it was significant that the Maray Party were up a

1333
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:49,200
Speaker 18: bit that you know, then they actually moved more than

1334
01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:53,560
Speaker 18: than the competence interval or the margin of era. It

1335
01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:56,400
Speaker 18: does suggest though the NATS didn't move a lot of

1336
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 18: votes with that budget. And as I said to our

1337
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:05,400
Speaker 18: donors that get the full report, that the concerning thing

1338
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:08,400
Speaker 18: is is a sort of breakdown on confidence of the

1339
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:12,120
Speaker 18: two major parties on the various issues, or this government's

1340
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:13,920
Speaker 18: really going to have to do a heat of a

1341
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:17,800
Speaker 18: lot more than or do some actual reform, deliver or

1342
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:19,760
Speaker 18: convince your elector at two and a half a year's time.

1343
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:23,520
Speaker 18: But they delivered the change of direction or brighter future,

1344
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:26,400
Speaker 18: whatever you want to call us, because simply managing it

1345
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:30,440
Speaker 18: to suggests that's the public is losing faith.

1346
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:31,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you reckon?

1347
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:31,600
Speaker 18: Jack?

1348
01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:33,160
Speaker 2: It's going to take for them to get popular.

1349
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:37,959
Speaker 5: I think a period of sustained economic growth that we're

1350
01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:40,440
Speaker 5: unlikely to have for at least twelve months. I mean,

1351
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Speaker 5: I just cannot see them massively improving their popularity stakes

1352
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:48,400
Speaker 5: until the economy starts notably turning for the better. And

1353
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Speaker 5: I think that would honestly be the same regardless of

1354
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Speaker 5: what parties were in government. Right now, it's just so

1355
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:56,360
Speaker 5: bleak for so many Kiwis. And look, maybe they'll see

1356
01:02:56,520 --> 01:02:59,840
Speaker 5: a very kind of small bump once people start noticing

1357
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:03,919
Speaker 5: that the tax cuts in their in their take home pay.

1358
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:07,280
Speaker 5: But honestly, I think regardless of who is in government

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Speaker 5: for at least the next twelve months, they'd be facing

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Speaker 5: a pretty tough time. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Probably, So listen, Jordan, I think there's nothing wrong technically

1362
01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:18,440
Speaker 2: with MP's claiming an accommodation allowance like Karen mcinnaughty for

1363
01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:20,640
Speaker 2: living in properties that they themselves or their wives own

1364
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Speaker 2: or whatever. But the perception is wrong, and I just

1365
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Speaker 2: wonder if we need to change the rules just for

1366
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:25,480
Speaker 2: that perception. What do you think?

1367
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Speaker 18: Yeah, we had a long debate the last few days,

1368
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:30,640
Speaker 18: and there was in that MP a few days ago,

1369
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:34,120
Speaker 18: you know, living in a TACKI and you know, finishing

1370
01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:36,680
Speaker 18: at ten thirty and you know the PM is saying,

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01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:39,000
Speaker 18: you know there's going to be back at work at seven. Well,

1372
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Speaker 18: I mean, come on, I mean a hotel two nights

1373
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:42,720
Speaker 18: a week would would be a heck of a lot

1374
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:45,280
Speaker 18: cheaper than the entitlement. And then now you've got and

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01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:48,680
Speaker 18: it's actually it's a pox on all houses. Well, you

1376
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:51,840
Speaker 18: know you got from Willie Jackson through I'm sure does

1377
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:54,400
Speaker 18: that VMPSA do it too, that they buy the house

1378
01:03:54,440 --> 01:03:57,520
Speaker 18: and then pay themselves the accommodation allows so they can

1379
01:03:57,720 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 18: pay their own mortgage. It's irrelevant whether it's owned by

1380
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:03,440
Speaker 18: the way, the wife or the MP. But it just

1381
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:07,800
Speaker 18: like we didn't come out and have a go add ap.

1382
01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:11,200
Speaker 18: But it feels it's a pretty bad stinch to it,

1383
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:13,400
Speaker 18: isn't it? Because no one else. I mean I traveled

1384
01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:16,000
Speaker 18: Wellington almost every week. But at the idea that my

1385
01:04:16,080 --> 01:04:19,960
Speaker 18: employer would would pay me at an allowance to be

1386
01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:22,560
Speaker 18: in Wellington and I'd own own the apartment down there

1387
01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:25,280
Speaker 18: and pay the mortgage, I think, come on, that's that's

1388
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Speaker 18: taking OK.

1389
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Speaker 2: Thank you you've given me a sense check on it,

1390
01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:30,080
Speaker 2: because yeah, I think even though the rules are the rules,

1391
01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:32,360
Speaker 2: and I understand why just the thing feels off. Guys,

1392
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:34,320
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Jack Tam Jordan Williams. A huddle

1393
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:35,360
Speaker 2: seven away from six.

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Speaker 1: On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app, and in

1395
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:41,760
Speaker 1: your car on your drive home. Heather duple c Allen

1396
01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:45,800
Speaker 1: drive with One New Zealand one Giant Leap for Business

1397
01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:48,320
Speaker 1: News talk as they'd be hither.

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Speaker 2: The whole crap about climate change in the way you

1399
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:52,600
Speaker 2: guys are going about it is mental. The one thing

1400
01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:56,400
Speaker 2: you guys will not discuss as population reduction, the earth

1401
01:04:56,440 --> 01:04:59,919
Speaker 2: needs less you mean fewer people, not more, but none.

1402
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:02,360
Speaker 2: You will even entertain the ideas being valid because it's

1403
01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:05,400
Speaker 2: too difficult. Look, this is the truth, right. The only

1404
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:07,440
Speaker 2: way that we're going to stop putting such a burden

1405
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:09,040
Speaker 2: on the planet is if there are a fewer of us.

1406
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:11,120
Speaker 2: Who's going to do that. Who wants to be that

1407
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:14,640
Speaker 2: guy going around going hmmm, we're just going to need

1408
01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:16,160
Speaker 2: to get rid of for some people, hair like you

1409
01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:17,560
Speaker 2: can't do it right. The only way that you can

1410
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:19,720
Speaker 2: do it, potentially is go the way of Japan, which

1411
01:05:19,720 --> 01:05:22,640
Speaker 2: is basically let the population get old and then you know,

1412
01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:24,840
Speaker 2: like drop your birth rate down, which we're doing. We're

1413
01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:27,160
Speaker 2: doing pretty admirably at that. But then when you've got

1414
01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:30,760
Speaker 2: Julian Jenter having two babies and you're like, well, even

1415
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:33,840
Speaker 2: the Greenies don't stick to that particular ethos, right, even

1416
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:36,360
Speaker 2: they are having babies, and you're like, well maybe it's

1417
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:36,840
Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 19: You know, and the Prime Minister telling us to have

1419
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:39,600
Speaker 19: more as well.

1420
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Speaker 2: And then you've got lux and saying have more baby.

1421
01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:43,320
Speaker 19: If we were to pursue this policy, like we've got

1422
01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:45,320
Speaker 19: a big mountain to climb in terms of two messaging

1423
01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:45,880
Speaker 19: around don't we.

1424
01:05:45,880 --> 01:05:48,520
Speaker 2: Thank you mans? Plus then they're upping the paid parental

1425
01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:50,600
Speaker 2: leave and they're giving you extra tax dollars if you've

1426
01:05:50,600 --> 01:05:52,600
Speaker 2: got a baby in EC and stuff like that's like

1427
01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:54,800
Speaker 2: real mixed messages like do you want me or do

1428
01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:57,040
Speaker 2: you not want me to have a baby? What's more important?

1429
01:05:57,680 --> 01:05:58,840
Speaker 2: I don't even know why you want me to have

1430
01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:02,320
Speaker 2: a baby. Or paying for our people's healthcare? I get it, no,

1431
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:04,640
Speaker 2: And maybe oh that's the question, right, do you care

1432
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:06,720
Speaker 2: about the climate or do you care about paying for

1433
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:08,800
Speaker 2: old people's healthcare? Because if we care about the healthcare,

1434
01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:11,000
Speaker 2: we need to have babies, don't we anyway? Listen on

1435
01:06:11,040 --> 01:06:14,400
Speaker 2: another subject altogether, Singapore Airlines is offering compo to the

1436
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:16,320
Speaker 2: passengers who were hurt on that flight to London, you know,

1437
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:19,040
Speaker 2: the one that had the terrible turbulence about three weeks ago.

1438
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:21,000
Speaker 2: They've sent them letters. They say they're gonna give them

1439
01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:23,520
Speaker 2: ten thousand US dollars, which is sixteen thousand New Zealand

1440
01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:29,520
Speaker 2: dollars in compo. Guys, that's the first offer. I mean

1441
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:32,200
Speaker 2: what I would do right now to be their lawyer

1442
01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:35,560
Speaker 2: and negotiating for them ten thousand dollars for a little

1443
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:37,480
Speaker 2: nink or something like that, I'd be going. I'd be

1444
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:40,080
Speaker 2: like triple it. I'll be times are by ten if

1445
01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:42,800
Speaker 2: that's the opening offer. Because Singapore Airlines doesn't want us

1446
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:44,280
Speaker 2: to drag out in the media. They want us to

1447
01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:46,240
Speaker 2: forget about that. So the longer you can drag it

1448
01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:49,240
Speaker 2: out making as much noise as possible, the better. Ten

1449
01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:53,680
Speaker 2: thousand dollars. Ah, that's the start of the thing. Go

1450
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:55,160
Speaker 2: to luck and oh, by the way, the ones who

1451
01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:57,560
Speaker 2: are properly hurt, like really really really hurt, bag and

1452
01:06:57,600 --> 01:06:59,320
Speaker 2: they'll get more than that. That's just for the looking

1453
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:01,880
Speaker 2: licks and stuff like that. Next up, we'll talk to

1454
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:03,920
Speaker 2: the Air Force about what they saw out there with

1455
01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:06,880
Speaker 2: the North Korean sanctions being busted. News talks AB.

1456
01:07:13,640 --> 01:07:16,080
Speaker 1: You've been track of where the money is flowing. With

1457
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:19,959
Speaker 1: the business hour, we'd header duplicy Allen and my hr

1458
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:22,960
Speaker 1: on newstalks atb evening.

1459
01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:24,520
Speaker 2: We're gonna have a chat in the next hour to

1460
01:07:24,560 --> 01:07:27,320
Speaker 2: federated farmers about the news that agriculture has been taken

1461
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:29,200
Speaker 2: out of the etes though with US half the half

1462
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:32,040
Speaker 2: past six brad Olsen on the government making it easier

1463
01:07:32,080 --> 01:07:34,360
Speaker 2: for foreign investors to build houses, will also chat to

1464
01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:37,560
Speaker 2: Jammie mackay and into Brady seven past six. The New

1465
01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:40,240
Speaker 2: Zealand Air Force reckons it's seen evidence of the UN

1466
01:07:40,320 --> 01:07:43,640
Speaker 2: sanctions against North Korea being breached. An Air Force Posidon

1467
01:07:43,640 --> 01:07:47,880
Speaker 2: flew eleven patrols to monitor those UN sanctions. Recently, reckons

1468
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:50,960
Speaker 2: it witnessed ship to ship transfers potentially of banned goods

1469
01:07:51,040 --> 01:07:54,320
Speaker 2: like oil and coal. Now Wing Commander Mark Whiteside was

1470
01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:59,040
Speaker 2: the commanding officer of this of this mission, High Mark Hi, Ever,

1471
01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:00,720
Speaker 2: how many times do you go see this happen?

1472
01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:08,040
Speaker 15: So we patrolled on eleven separate occasions up into the region,

1473
01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:11,120
Speaker 15: and on four occasions we did detect what we call

1474
01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:13,840
Speaker 15: ship to ship transfers on the high sea that could

1475
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:16,400
Speaker 15: be in support of the evasion sanctions.

1476
01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:18,240
Speaker 2: Could you see from all the way up there, whether

1477
01:08:18,280 --> 01:08:20,040
Speaker 2: it was a whale or coal or whatever it was.

1478
01:08:21,960 --> 01:08:27,160
Speaker 15: Yes, certainly, So we target in particular the commercial oiling

1479
01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:30,960
Speaker 15: ships or any ships that carry refined petroleum, because that

1480
01:08:31,080 --> 01:08:35,160
Speaker 15: is the sanctions that we're up there to detect. So

1481
01:08:35,400 --> 01:08:38,280
Speaker 15: with our imagery we'll certainly be able to see if

1482
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:41,200
Speaker 15: two vessels are close together. It's very very obvious once

1483
01:08:41,240 --> 01:08:44,680
Speaker 15: they've rafted up on the high seas, and we'll get

1484
01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:47,519
Speaker 15: close enough to take imagery and collect evidence to the

1485
01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:50,920
Speaker 15: point that you can see the hoses between the two vessels.

1486
01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:54,760
Speaker 15: So they're definitely transferring refined petroleum.

1487
01:08:54,280 --> 01:08:57,040
Speaker 2: Right, okay, And so how long does it transfer.

1488
01:08:56,720 --> 01:09:01,840
Speaker 15: Take on I'm not a Marinis sorry. We can say

1489
01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:03,840
Speaker 15: is that as soon as that we've detected any type

1490
01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:07,600
Speaker 15: of transfer, then that activity is occurring. And then we

1491
01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:09,799
Speaker 15: have to piece together a whole lot of other information

1492
01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:13,200
Speaker 15: that has seen the draft state of the vessels before

1493
01:09:13,280 --> 01:09:16,600
Speaker 15: and after to see how much I gets deeper in

1494
01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:20,040
Speaker 15: the ocean they sit versus before any transfers. So really

1495
01:09:20,080 --> 01:09:22,400
Speaker 15: it relies on a whole lot of information rather than

1496
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:25,920
Speaker 15: staying there and observing the whole activity from start to finish.

1497
01:09:26,080 --> 01:09:27,360
Speaker 2: How do you know for sure that one of the

1498
01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:28,880
Speaker 2: vessels is a North Korean vessel.

1499
01:09:31,320 --> 01:09:33,880
Speaker 15: There's many things we can do when we're connecting and

1500
01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:36,479
Speaker 15: surveillance to our team will look for what flag it

1501
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:41,040
Speaker 15: is flying, it's international Maritime Organization number, where it's registered,

1502
01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:45,559
Speaker 15: whether it's displaying this, and whether that's different to what's registered.

1503
01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:49,360
Speaker 15: There's a whole host of ways that people trying to

1504
01:09:49,360 --> 01:09:52,599
Speaker 15: evade sanctions, behavior that they will take that is quite

1505
01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:55,280
Speaker 15: suspicious from all of that, and try and try and

1506
01:09:55,280 --> 01:09:59,080
Speaker 15: piece that together. It's not so much you know, looking

1507
01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:01,040
Speaker 15: for any one but kular piece of information.

1508
01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:04,719
Speaker 2: You say that that these vessels are avoiding or are adopting.

1509
01:10:04,760 --> 01:10:07,599
Speaker 2: All the players are adopting tactics to avoid being spotted.

1510
01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:10,800
Speaker 2: I'm assuming that's things like flying perhaps an incorrect flag.

1511
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:15,479
Speaker 15: Yeah, yeah, that's correct. They can, they can paint over

1512
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:17,960
Speaker 15: their original names, change their names many times as it

1513
01:10:18,160 --> 01:10:23,720
Speaker 15: changes ownership. They can report in correct information on what's

1514
01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:27,599
Speaker 15: called AIS or the Automatic identification system that commercial ships

1515
01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:30,720
Speaker 15: are required to transmit on, or they can completely turn

1516
01:10:30,760 --> 01:10:33,960
Speaker 15: that off, which is against all kind of international law,

1517
01:10:35,439 --> 01:10:40,120
Speaker 15: many different other activities, including the route they're taking for navigation,

1518
01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:45,639
Speaker 15: and the time of day and where they're going. All

1519
01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:48,599
Speaker 15: sorts of that activity needs to be pieced together, right.

1520
01:10:48,479 --> 01:10:50,240
Speaker 2: And which is the other ship? The other ship? Where

1521
01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:51,400
Speaker 2: is it coming from?

1522
01:10:52,360 --> 01:10:56,559
Speaker 15: Many different places, so and we'll keep looking for different

1523
01:10:56,560 --> 01:10:59,000
Speaker 15: areas of interest or hotspots where we where we know

1524
01:10:59,080 --> 01:11:02,080
Speaker 15: this happens. And it can come from the south of

1525
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:05,000
Speaker 15: North Korea, it can come from the east. It's wherever

1526
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:05,720
Speaker 15: they can get it from.

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01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:09,080
Speaker 2: So what I'm meaning is basically, I'm trying to I'm

1528
01:11:09,080 --> 01:11:10,920
Speaker 2: trying to ask you which is the country that's preaching

1529
01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:11,720
Speaker 2: the sanctions here.

1530
01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:15,920
Speaker 15: That's so that's hard for us to tell as a

1531
01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:18,960
Speaker 15: maritime surveillance aircraft. There can be no flag at all

1532
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:20,960
Speaker 15: on some of these vessels. So that's why we pass

1533
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:23,920
Speaker 15: this information onto the Enforcement Coordination Cell that will piece

1534
01:11:24,040 --> 01:11:26,759
Speaker 15: all that together and try and work on that big picture.

1535
01:11:27,120 --> 01:11:28,920
Speaker 2: Right, what happens now with the information you have?

1536
01:11:30,479 --> 01:11:33,880
Speaker 15: So we pass all that information onto that Enforcement Coordination Cell,

1537
01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:38,439
Speaker 15: which is a multinational organization that does piece together every

1538
01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:41,599
Speaker 15: individual nation's kind of surveillance activities and tries to put

1539
01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:45,559
Speaker 15: that big picture together. That's passed on and back to

1540
01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:48,760
Speaker 15: the UN Security Council, which is the entity that sets

1541
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:51,840
Speaker 15: these resolutions in the first place, and then other action

1542
01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:54,639
Speaker 15: can occur as well. If there is like a flag

1543
01:11:54,720 --> 01:11:57,919
Speaker 15: state that's been identified, then they can pass that information

1544
01:11:58,000 --> 01:11:59,840
Speaker 15: directly to that state to take their own action.

1545
01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:03,000
Speaker 2: If I'm assuming that the flag state is China, would

1546
01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:03,519
Speaker 2: I be wrong?

1547
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:06,080
Speaker 6: No?

1548
01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:09,679
Speaker 15: I can't, honestly can't answer that one, because we literally

1549
01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:11,679
Speaker 15: don't deal with the ECC side of it. We only

1550
01:12:11,720 --> 01:12:14,519
Speaker 15: deal with what we see out there, and from what

1551
01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:17,439
Speaker 15: we saw, there were no flag states. They hide themselves

1552
01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:18,360
Speaker 15: particularly well.

1553
01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:20,720
Speaker 2: Mark, Thank you is fascinating stuff. Thanks for talking us

1554
01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:23,479
Speaker 2: through it. That's Mark Whiteside, win Commander Mark's Whiteside, Royal

1555
01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:26,920
Speaker 2: New Zealand Air Force. Hither did you enjoy the Warriors game?

1556
01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:29,519
Speaker 2: This could be their year. Marvelous show all the best rate?

1557
01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:32,840
Speaker 2: What a lovely text rate. We've got the list out

1558
01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:37,200
Speaker 2: Johnson Seawan. Johnson's at number seven and as predicted by

1559
01:12:37,320 --> 01:12:40,280
Speaker 2: Darcy Waldgrave, slightly slightly less than a couple of hours

1560
01:12:40,280 --> 01:12:42,800
Speaker 2: ago to myoty, Martin has slipped back to number six.

1561
01:12:43,240 --> 01:12:46,280
Speaker 2: There are some in this organization's sports team who believe

1562
01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:49,720
Speaker 2: that that is a mistake because Tomty Martin is on

1563
01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:53,400
Speaker 2: form and doing so well that Sean Johnson will just

1564
01:12:53,439 --> 01:12:55,479
Speaker 2: not play as well. I'll tell you what I've I

1565
01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:58,040
Speaker 2: feel sympathy for Sewan Johnson at this point because that

1566
01:12:58,160 --> 01:13:00,160
Speaker 2: is a lot of pressure to be under when you've

1567
01:13:00,200 --> 01:13:02,880
Speaker 2: got your kind of a printer sitting there doing as

1568
01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:06,160
Speaker 2: well as Tomighty Martin was doing. Anyway, it's going to

1569
01:13:06,160 --> 01:13:07,920
Speaker 2: make the thing even more interesting to watch, isn't it.

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01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:10,120
Speaker 2: Brad Olsen's with US next thirteen past six.

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01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:14,360
Speaker 1: Crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's Heather Duplicy

1572
01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:17,760
Speaker 1: Allen with the Business Hours thanks to my HR, the

1573
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:22,080
Speaker 1: HR platform for SME on us talks EDB everything from

1574
01:13:22,240 --> 01:13:25,840
Speaker 1: SMEs to the big corporates. The Business Hour with Heather

1575
01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:29,800
Speaker 1: Duplicy Allen and my HR the HR platform for SME

1576
01:13:30,120 --> 01:13:30,800
Speaker 1: used talks ed B.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Mark from the Air Force definitely knows. He

1578
01:13:34,280 --> 01:13:36,000
Speaker 2: just doesn't want to tell you, probably to protect you

1579
01:13:36,040 --> 01:13:38,080
Speaker 2: from your old mate, Ken. That's very kind of That's

1580
01:13:38,120 --> 01:13:40,760
Speaker 2: probably China, isn't it. With China that's doing it well?

1581
01:13:40,800 --> 01:13:44,480
Speaker 2: Who else would it be? Who's mates with North Korea? Nowadays?

1582
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:47,759
Speaker 2: China so it's China sixteen past six now the government

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01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:49,880
Speaker 2: is set to change the Overseas Investment Act to get

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01:13:49,880 --> 01:13:52,880
Speaker 2: more foreign investors to build housing here. It's aimed to

1585
01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:55,920
Speaker 2: unlock money going in to build to rent developments. It's

1586
01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:58,880
Speaker 2: not going to change bands on foreigners buying existing residential property.

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Speaker 2: All Land Brad Olso is Informetric's principle economist, Hey Brad

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01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:04,519
Speaker 2: Good evening, how's this going to work?

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01:14:05,680 --> 01:14:07,280
Speaker 21: Well, I think they're trying to make it so there's

1590
01:14:07,280 --> 01:14:10,559
Speaker 21: a streamlined pathway for this investment having instead of having

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01:14:10,600 --> 01:14:13,320
Speaker 21: to go through the normal hoops, if you will, of

1592
01:14:13,400 --> 01:14:15,800
Speaker 21: overseas investment, which does seem to take quite a while.

1593
01:14:15,880 --> 01:14:19,439
Speaker 21: It seems to be complex and costly, you know, and

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01:14:19,479 --> 01:14:21,840
Speaker 21: it's the same for if you're doing a build to

1595
01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:24,360
Speaker 21: rent scheme or if you're trying to purchase part of

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01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:27,599
Speaker 21: another foreign company. The government said they want to provide

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01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:30,200
Speaker 21: that sort of more streamlined option, so there's a specific

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01:14:30,280 --> 01:14:32,760
Speaker 21: sort of ability to go through so you can get

1599
01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:35,800
Speaker 21: your application in for build to rent and that'll be

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01:14:35,880 --> 01:14:38,920
Speaker 21: a bit, hopefully a bit quicker enabled. I mean, it

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01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:41,400
Speaker 21: seems to be an area where we need more housing.

1602
01:14:41,479 --> 01:14:43,800
Speaker 21: We'll take all the help we can get. And if

1603
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:46,400
Speaker 21: investors are saying, as they often do, that there is

1604
01:14:46,479 --> 01:14:48,160
Speaker 21: you know, that crunch point of having to go through

1605
01:14:48,160 --> 01:14:50,680
Speaker 21: all the paperwork and similar this seems to be a

1606
01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:52,680
Speaker 21: fast and efficient method to try and get some of

1607
01:14:52,720 --> 01:14:54,880
Speaker 21: those investors back into the country a bit quicker.

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01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:56,080
Speaker 2: Are they interested in coming here?

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01:14:56,120 --> 01:14:59,560
Speaker 21: These investors, well, it seems like, I mean this announcement

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01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:01,920
Speaker 21: was made as the Prime Minister and the Housing Minister

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01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:06,479
Speaker 21: we're opening a new bill to rent development in Mount

1612
01:15:06,479 --> 01:15:09,479
Speaker 21: Wellington from an overseas provider, and I think as well.

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01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:12,000
Speaker 21: The difference here, right is that they're not looking to

1614
01:15:12,120 --> 01:15:14,200
Speaker 21: just have people to come into New Zealand and sort

1615
01:15:14,200 --> 01:15:16,760
Speaker 21: of buy in one existing property and rented out like

1616
01:15:16,840 --> 01:15:19,080
Speaker 21: a mum and dad investor. The idea here is to

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01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:22,280
Speaker 21: sort of have slightly larger, sort of medium scale operations

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01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:25,919
Speaker 21: and also importantly that they'll often be sort of longer lasting,

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01:15:25,960 --> 01:15:29,360
Speaker 21: so that gives a bit more security for the landlord

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01:15:29,400 --> 01:15:31,280
Speaker 21: for the operator that they've got sort of a longer

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01:15:31,400 --> 01:15:34,400
Speaker 21: term and sort of more consistent return. Also probably good

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01:15:34,439 --> 01:15:36,679
Speaker 21: for the renter who doesn't have to worry as much

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01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:39,400
Speaker 21: or won't have as much worry about getting turfed out.

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01:15:39,400 --> 01:15:41,760
Speaker 21: I mean, look, Heather, as a renter, that's always something

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01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:42,960
Speaker 21: I worry about at the moment.

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Speaker 8: So this seems like a.

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01:15:44,280 --> 01:15:46,320
Speaker 21: Good middle ground and a good plan to try and

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01:15:46,360 --> 01:15:48,800
Speaker 21: add a bit more into the housing supply over time.

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01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:51,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. Now, Chris Bishop talked about the need to

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01:15:51,400 --> 01:15:55,040
Speaker 2: lower construction costs. That's easier said than dan Wards's plan.

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01:15:56,240 --> 01:15:58,200
Speaker 21: Well, I think you've heard from both him and also

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01:15:58,720 --> 01:16:02,800
Speaker 21: the building construction pink over some of these areas where

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01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:06,040
Speaker 21: they want to bring in the ability to have basically

1634
01:16:06,080 --> 01:16:08,479
Speaker 21: a wider variety of products so that you know, that's

1635
01:16:08,520 --> 01:16:12,519
Speaker 21: one of the things that competition will overtime lower building costs.

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01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:14,200
Speaker 21: But at the same time, you don't want to go

1637
01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:17,640
Speaker 21: into a position where you let anyone use anything. You

1638
01:16:17,680 --> 01:16:20,040
Speaker 21: get lower quality products and it sort of screws it

1639
01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:22,360
Speaker 21: up and we have another leaky home. So I think

1640
01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:24,320
Speaker 21: what they're looking at at the moment is trying to

1641
01:16:24,720 --> 01:16:27,320
Speaker 21: lower that barrier by seeing if there are other comparable

1642
01:16:27,360 --> 01:16:30,880
Speaker 21: jurisdictions in the world if they allow a particular building product.

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01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:32,040
Speaker 8: Will be able to use it as well.

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01:16:32,120 --> 01:16:34,519
Speaker 21: In New Zealand, you saw during the likes of the

1645
01:16:34,560 --> 01:16:37,680
Speaker 21: pandemic when supply chains were a bit broken, and you know,

1646
01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:40,479
Speaker 21: there was a not as much ability to produce some

1647
01:16:40,600 --> 01:16:43,760
Speaker 21: of the fiber board, and that for houses overseas, we

1648
01:16:43,760 --> 01:16:46,599
Speaker 21: were bringing in elephant board and stuff that came through.

1649
01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:47,439
Speaker 8: So that's I.

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01:16:47,360 --> 01:16:50,439
Speaker 21: Think an enduring opportunity because every building you speak to

1651
01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:53,960
Speaker 21: sort of talks about two things. One the materials cost

1652
01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:56,760
Speaker 21: a lot, and two the consents cost a lot and

1653
01:16:56,840 --> 01:16:58,720
Speaker 21: take a long time. So if they can try and

1654
01:16:58,760 --> 01:17:01,080
Speaker 21: fix all parts of that, you don't need to completely

1655
01:17:01,080 --> 01:17:03,559
Speaker 21: fix them overnight. Just a bit of improvement in all

1656
01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:05,200
Speaker 21: of them I think would go a long way to

1657
01:17:05,400 --> 01:17:08,879
Speaker 21: enhancing how quickly we can get stuff built and hopefully

1658
01:17:08,880 --> 01:17:11,000
Speaker 21: at not the same insane costs that we sometimes have.

1659
01:17:11,160 --> 01:17:13,080
Speaker 2: Yeah too, right, well said hey Brad, thank you very much.

1660
01:17:13,160 --> 01:17:15,720
Speaker 2: Look after yourself, Brad Olson. And for metrics principle economists,

1661
01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:18,120
Speaker 2: hither Shawn Johnson was the reason they were on the

1662
01:17:18,120 --> 01:17:19,720
Speaker 2: losing run. He's going to be the reason why they

1663
01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:23,800
Speaker 2: lose this weekend. Then call from Ian Let's see how

1664
01:17:23,840 --> 01:17:26,960
Speaker 2: it goes. Let's see I mean, look, regardless whether they

1665
01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:28,720
Speaker 2: win or lose, right, you could just judge him on

1666
01:17:28,760 --> 01:17:31,960
Speaker 2: his individual performance will be pretty pretty apparent after watching

1667
01:17:31,960 --> 01:17:34,519
Speaker 2: Tomiodi Martin play for the longest time. Right, we're able

1668
01:17:34,520 --> 01:17:37,120
Speaker 2: to see where there he's stacking up against the guy.

1669
01:17:37,439 --> 01:17:40,760
Speaker 2: Do you remember the tunnel under Wellington that Samie and

1670
01:17:40,760 --> 01:17:43,120
Speaker 2: Brown was looking into as a possibility and everybody laughed

1671
01:17:43,120 --> 01:17:45,120
Speaker 2: at it because we thought and our new four kilimeter

1672
01:17:45,200 --> 01:17:47,479
Speaker 2: tunnel under Wellington and if there's an earthquake, the tunnel

1673
01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:49,840
Speaker 2: is going to break. And you know, tunnels, why do

1674
01:17:49,880 --> 01:17:52,040
Speaker 2: we need them? It's New Zealand, we could do everything

1675
01:17:52,040 --> 01:17:53,800
Speaker 2: about the God it's just like lots of laughing at

1676
01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:56,799
Speaker 2: this particular project because it's a big project, right, big project.

1677
01:17:57,560 --> 01:18:01,160
Speaker 2: Turns out Samian Brown has been nearly a million dollars

1678
01:18:01,200 --> 01:18:03,479
Speaker 2: on the consultants to investigate it, and that is not

1679
01:18:03,560 --> 01:18:05,919
Speaker 2: the end of the cost for the consultants. He's already

1680
01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:08,160
Speaker 2: saying that it's going to cost us another five hundred

1681
01:18:08,200 --> 01:18:10,800
Speaker 2: and fifty thousand dollars to complete the consultation work. So

1682
01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:13,200
Speaker 2: by the time he's finished just investigating whether he wants

1683
01:18:13,240 --> 01:18:14,559
Speaker 2: to do the tunnel, it's going to cost one and

1684
01:18:14,560 --> 01:18:18,240
Speaker 2: a half million dollars in consultants. He better bloody build

1685
01:18:18,240 --> 01:18:20,880
Speaker 2: the thing, that's as you're going to sink that much

1686
01:18:20,880 --> 01:18:23,240
Speaker 2: money into consultants. You bet it. This be better be serious,

1687
01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:26,439
Speaker 2: because everybody's laughed at this, and everybody said that we

1688
01:18:26,479 --> 01:18:30,559
Speaker 2: don't need this thing. And if you're gonna chase something

1689
01:18:30,760 --> 01:18:32,840
Speaker 2: like this and then you're going to put that much

1690
01:18:32,880 --> 01:18:35,000
Speaker 2: money into it, better you better go through with it

1691
01:18:35,040 --> 01:18:37,120
Speaker 2: and actually build the thing. I mean. And the reason

1692
01:18:37,120 --> 01:18:38,960
Speaker 2: that I've got very little time for this kind of

1693
01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:41,240
Speaker 2: spending at the moment is because we just went through

1694
01:18:41,280 --> 01:18:43,400
Speaker 2: six years of squandering money on this stuff.

1695
01:18:43,479 --> 01:18:43,599
Speaker 8: Right.

1696
01:18:43,640 --> 01:18:46,559
Speaker 2: We spent how much on consultants and leasing out offices

1697
01:18:46,760 --> 01:18:49,000
Speaker 2: for the bike bridge to Birkenhead which we didn't build,

1698
01:18:49,160 --> 01:18:51,960
Speaker 2: And we had how much spent on light rail consultants

1699
01:18:51,960 --> 01:18:54,200
Speaker 2: and drawing up plans and redrawing the plans and redrawing

1700
01:18:54,200 --> 01:18:55,840
Speaker 2: the plans and redrawing the plans and buying a Bacon

1701
01:18:55,880 --> 01:18:57,600
Speaker 2: building and then we didn't get the light rail in

1702
01:18:57,640 --> 01:19:00,519
Speaker 2: the end anyway. And the unemployment insurance same same. So

1703
01:19:01,960 --> 01:19:04,360
Speaker 2: if you're spending one and a half million on consultants,

1704
01:19:04,600 --> 01:19:06,599
Speaker 2: I want a tunnel now. Six to twenty one.

1705
01:19:07,320 --> 01:19:10,600
Speaker 1: A rural report on the Heather duper Celan Drive with

1706
01:19:10,840 --> 01:19:15,080
Speaker 1: hands Kofoods, New Zealand's famous beef and lamb hither.

1707
01:19:15,120 --> 01:19:17,000
Speaker 2: That's still a lot less than Michael Wood, who spent

1708
01:19:17,080 --> 01:19:19,439
Speaker 2: fifty three million dollars in consultants for a bike bridge

1709
01:19:19,439 --> 01:19:21,559
Speaker 2: that went absolutely That's a fair point, I suppose when

1710
01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:23,599
Speaker 2: you put in that kind of context one million bar

1711
01:19:23,680 --> 01:19:25,879
Speaker 2: chump change. But still now I do want my tunnel,

1712
01:19:25,880 --> 01:19:28,200
Speaker 2: don't you. Six twenty four Jamie mckaye Hosts of the

1713
01:19:28,200 --> 01:19:29,080
Speaker 2: Countries with us Ay.

1714
01:19:29,040 --> 01:19:32,600
Speaker 13: Jamie get A Heather. I'm coming to you from a

1715
01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:35,800
Speaker 13: top of the Bombay Hills, just flowing into Auckland, but

1716
01:19:35,920 --> 01:19:38,519
Speaker 13: making our way down to Hamilton for day one of

1717
01:19:38,640 --> 01:19:41,760
Speaker 13: field Days tomorrow. I know you've got Wayne Langford coming

1718
01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:46,679
Speaker 13: up very shortly on Hewoker Echinoa being kicked for touch.

1719
01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:50,479
Speaker 13: I say, not before time, So I don't really want

1720
01:19:50,520 --> 01:19:52,720
Speaker 13: to steal his thunder on the subject, But feel free

1721
01:19:52,760 --> 01:19:53,800
Speaker 13: to ask me any question.

1722
01:19:53,960 --> 01:19:55,519
Speaker 2: What do you reckon? The vibe is going to be

1723
01:19:55,840 --> 01:19:57,200
Speaker 2: at field Days.

1724
01:19:58,160 --> 01:20:03,439
Speaker 13: Look, it'll be subdue, I think, especially for people with

1725
01:20:03,560 --> 01:20:06,800
Speaker 13: big ticket items, and I'm talking the tractors, the utes,

1726
01:20:06,920 --> 01:20:10,280
Speaker 13: that sort of thing. Look, there's no spare there's no

1727
01:20:10,360 --> 01:20:13,920
Speaker 13: spare cash and farming and any of the farming systems

1728
01:20:13,960 --> 01:20:16,519
Speaker 13: at the moment, and especially when I look at sheep

1729
01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:19,000
Speaker 13: and beef, especially sheep. But they're in the doldrums. It's

1730
01:20:19,000 --> 01:20:22,120
Speaker 13: as bad as it's been since the nineteen eighties. However,

1731
01:20:22,520 --> 01:20:26,120
Speaker 13: we have had a positive a few positive GDT auctions

1732
01:20:26,439 --> 01:20:29,640
Speaker 13: heading into this. Kiwi Fruit's going really well. And I

1733
01:20:29,680 --> 01:20:32,920
Speaker 13: think the main purpose of field days, and I'm sure

1734
01:20:32,920 --> 01:20:36,599
Speaker 13: that the people selling scaler up red bands and Swan

1735
01:20:36,680 --> 01:20:39,800
Speaker 13: drise will do just fine, and the food people will

1736
01:20:39,840 --> 01:20:42,280
Speaker 13: do just fine. But I just think that the main

1737
01:20:42,320 --> 01:20:45,400
Speaker 13: thing about field days is to get off, go and

1738
01:20:45,439 --> 01:20:48,000
Speaker 13: have a look, even if you're only tire kicking and

1739
01:20:48,040 --> 01:20:51,760
Speaker 13: a bit of networking. Good for the soul heather, And

1740
01:20:52,120 --> 01:20:52,479
Speaker 13: do you.

1741
01:20:52,439 --> 01:20:54,920
Speaker 2: Think it will buck there their spirits a little bit

1742
01:20:55,040 --> 01:20:56,639
Speaker 2: up to hear that they're out of the ets.

1743
01:20:57,520 --> 01:20:57,720
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1744
01:20:57,760 --> 01:21:01,840
Speaker 13: Absolutely. Look, I know I'm quoting Wayne Langford here, even

1745
01:21:01,880 --> 01:21:04,360
Speaker 13: though he's coming on. He said the previous government were

1746
01:21:04,360 --> 01:21:07,479
Speaker 13: too focused on pricing farmers. This is for their omissions

1747
01:21:07,520 --> 01:21:11,200
Speaker 13: obviously driving and this is a good quote, driving blindly

1748
01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:17,240
Speaker 13: towards unachievable political, unscientific methane reduction targets. And when they

1749
01:21:17,240 --> 01:21:19,479
Speaker 13: were talking about up to forty seven percent, that was

1750
01:21:19,520 --> 01:21:22,240
Speaker 13: the end of livestock farming as we know it in

1751
01:21:22,280 --> 01:21:25,280
Speaker 13: this country. They were we were at the bleeding edge here,

1752
01:21:25,320 --> 01:21:28,160
Speaker 13: the rather than the leading edge. And I'm a big

1753
01:21:28,200 --> 01:21:30,799
Speaker 13: fan of the market. I'm starting to sound like Roger

1754
01:21:30,840 --> 01:21:34,880
Speaker 13: Douglas or David Seymour here, But the best way to

1755
01:21:34,960 --> 01:21:38,120
Speaker 13: get farmers to reduce emissions And I had this argument

1756
01:21:38,120 --> 01:21:41,519
Speaker 13: with Damian O'Connor on my show today, actually produced by

1757
01:21:41,560 --> 01:21:44,120
Speaker 13: Andy Duff, who's done doing the hard yards, doing yours.

1758
01:21:44,360 --> 01:21:46,240
Speaker 4: I had the argument with them.

1759
01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:49,880
Speaker 13: That, honestly, if you want farmers to change their behavior,

1760
01:21:50,240 --> 01:21:53,439
Speaker 13: reduce their emissions, give them a premium. It's just like

1761
01:21:53,479 --> 01:21:56,800
Speaker 13: when organics came in. This is a premium. Farmers will

1762
01:21:56,800 --> 01:21:59,120
Speaker 13: do it. That'll be fine at the moment as it

1763
01:21:59,160 --> 01:22:01,240
Speaker 13: stands right at the moment, the spite what the likes

1764
01:22:01,240 --> 01:22:04,759
Speaker 13: of Damien says, there isn't a premium, so it will happen.

1765
01:22:04,960 --> 01:22:07,439
Speaker 13: It's like Rachel Hunter's here, but it won't happen overnight.

1766
01:22:08,240 --> 01:22:10,880
Speaker 2: Jamie, good on, you go and enjoy yourself. Appreciate it.

1767
01:22:11,040 --> 01:22:14,960
Speaker 2: Jamie Mackay, host to the Country. Oh, from the Sublime

1768
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:17,000
Speaker 2: to the ridiculous. See that pick. Have you seen the

1769
01:22:17,040 --> 01:22:20,160
Speaker 2: picture of Madame M. Davidson holding the sign that says

1770
01:22:20,160 --> 01:22:23,120
Speaker 2: eat the Rich. I don't quite know what the event was.

1771
01:22:23,120 --> 01:22:25,320
Speaker 2: She's standing there with a bunch of other people. One

1772
01:22:25,360 --> 01:22:29,200
Speaker 2: of them is Riccardo men Inde's march, and they're in Wellington.

1773
01:22:29,240 --> 01:22:30,800
Speaker 2: I recognize some of the buildings, and it seems like

1774
01:22:30,880 --> 01:22:32,400
Speaker 2: some sort of a rally because there are a few

1775
01:22:32,439 --> 01:22:34,880
Speaker 2: placards around and stuff. Again, she's got to eat the rich,

1776
01:22:35,240 --> 01:22:37,240
Speaker 2: and then above it sort of like eat five plus

1777
01:22:37,320 --> 01:22:38,960
Speaker 2: a day. All those kind of symbols. I don't know

1778
01:22:38,960 --> 01:22:40,680
Speaker 2: what they were. I don't know what. I don't know

1779
01:22:40,680 --> 01:22:47,280
Speaker 2: what the rallies for. Could be for any number of things, fires,

1780
01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:50,240
Speaker 2: food and schools. I don't know. Is it for rich

1781
01:22:50,240 --> 01:22:51,920
Speaker 2: people not paying tax I don't know. Is it just

1782
01:22:52,240 --> 01:22:53,120
Speaker 2: was like a general grievance.

1783
01:22:53,160 --> 01:22:53,479
Speaker 22: I don't know.

1784
01:22:53,520 --> 01:22:56,719
Speaker 2: Anyway, Eat the riches a little on the nose because

1785
01:22:56,800 --> 01:22:59,280
Speaker 2: I just feel like this some little, little, little, weird,

1786
01:22:59,320 --> 01:23:04,360
Speaker 2: little violent imagery. But also Madima earns two hundred and

1787
01:23:04,360 --> 01:23:06,960
Speaker 2: ten thousand dollars a year, so I mean she's rich,

1788
01:23:07,280 --> 01:23:11,720
Speaker 2: isn't she. Hello, Madima, you're rich. You're basically advocating for

1789
01:23:11,760 --> 01:23:14,200
Speaker 2: yourself to be eaten. Like, think about it. Mate. You

1790
01:23:14,280 --> 01:23:16,360
Speaker 2: are what you eat, Heather, you are what you eat.

1791
01:23:16,400 --> 01:23:19,679
Speaker 2: You know you can't can't do this thing anymore? Headlines

1792
01:23:19,720 --> 01:23:20,640
Speaker 2: next ss it.

1793
01:23:20,760 --> 01:23:25,000
Speaker 1: Oh, if it's to do with money, it matters to you.

1794
01:23:25,200 --> 01:23:29,040
Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Allen and my HR,

1795
01:23:29,320 --> 01:23:34,439
Speaker 1: the HR platform for sme US talk said, b when

1796
01:23:34,439 --> 01:23:38,880
Speaker 1: you pawn that you've been.

1797
01:23:38,800 --> 01:23:41,200
Speaker 2: Gone too long, that photo was definitely taken on Queen

1798
01:23:41,240 --> 01:23:43,840
Speaker 2: Street in the Britomart station square in front of Commercial Bay.

1799
01:23:43,880 --> 01:23:45,880
Speaker 2: You're actually right, I've gone to have another look at

1800
01:23:45,880 --> 01:23:48,719
Speaker 2: it and the buildings are far too new to be Wellington.

1801
01:23:49,040 --> 01:23:51,400
Speaker 2: Wellington sort of still got that kind of brown glass thing,

1802
01:23:51,479 --> 01:23:53,679
Speaker 2: isn't it, That kind of scream sort of like eighties

1803
01:23:53,920 --> 01:23:57,679
Speaker 2: hey days seventies seventies eighties hey Day was, whereas Auckland's

1804
01:23:57,680 --> 01:23:59,479
Speaker 2: glass is a little bit more the blue tinge, which

1805
01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:01,960
Speaker 2: is a little bit popular at the moment. So yeah,

1806
01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:04,160
Speaker 2: my apologies for that. Does that mean that it was

1807
01:24:04,160 --> 01:24:07,640
Speaker 2: the rally that happened on Saturday? So if it was

1808
01:24:07,680 --> 01:24:09,639
Speaker 2: the rally that happened on Saturday that was anti oil

1809
01:24:09,640 --> 01:24:11,080
Speaker 2: and gas, did she turn up to an anti oil

1810
01:24:11,120 --> 01:24:13,200
Speaker 2: and gas one with an eat the rich sign? Anyway?

1811
01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:15,960
Speaker 2: Somebody says I'm an idiot, and I don't need to

1812
01:24:15,960 --> 01:24:17,920
Speaker 2: worry at all. Nobody's gonna want to eat my bitter ass.

1813
01:24:18,120 --> 01:24:20,360
Speaker 2: That's fine. I'm happy with that. Thanks for assuming that

1814
01:24:20,400 --> 01:24:22,800
Speaker 2: I'm a part of the rich that I find that.

1815
01:24:23,120 --> 01:24:26,080
Speaker 2: I consider that a gigantic compliment, obviously based on my

1816
01:24:26,160 --> 01:24:28,960
Speaker 2: eighty dollar tax cut, because I've got a baby and

1817
01:24:29,160 --> 01:24:32,040
Speaker 2: Brady's going to be with us shortly. Because Rishi Sunak,

1818
01:24:32,040 --> 01:24:33,479
Speaker 2: if you've been keeping an eye on what's going on

1819
01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:35,080
Speaker 2: with the election over in the UK, you know he's

1820
01:24:35,080 --> 01:24:38,000
Speaker 2: in big trouble for leaving D Day early. He's now

1821
01:24:38,040 --> 01:24:40,120
Speaker 2: saying he hopes the British public are going to forgive him.

1822
01:24:40,160 --> 01:24:42,040
Speaker 2: Probably not, and I don't think they liked him anyway,

1823
01:24:42,040 --> 01:24:43,760
Speaker 2: and now they like him even lease. So that'll be

1824
01:24:43,800 --> 01:24:45,639
Speaker 2: in ten minutes time, twenty three away from seven.

1825
01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:48,280
Speaker 1: Heather Duplicyl pay on some very good news.

1826
01:24:48,320 --> 01:24:50,600
Speaker 2: The government has announced it will remove agriculture from the

1827
01:24:50,640 --> 01:24:53,639
Speaker 2: Emissions Trading Scheme. The scheme would have seen farmers pay

1828
01:24:53,680 --> 01:24:56,120
Speaker 2: for their emissions by next year. Now removing it means

1829
01:24:56,120 --> 01:24:58,920
Speaker 2: that agriculture will be the only major sector again exempt

1830
01:24:58,960 --> 01:25:01,479
Speaker 2: from the ETS. Wayne Lean anfored is the president of

1831
01:25:01,520 --> 01:25:02,280
Speaker 2: Federated Farmers.

1832
01:25:02,280 --> 01:25:04,320
Speaker 22: Hey, Wayne, Hey, good to be here.

1833
01:25:04,479 --> 01:25:07,519
Speaker 2: This is a relief, isn't it.

1834
01:25:07,520 --> 01:25:08,240
Speaker 4: It is really.

1835
01:25:08,400 --> 01:25:11,680
Speaker 22: I mean, there's still significant work to do, but it's

1836
01:25:11,680 --> 01:25:13,639
Speaker 22: good to have this weight off our shoulders. Aspicial.

1837
01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:15,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's the significant work that you have to do?

1838
01:25:17,120 --> 01:25:19,519
Speaker 22: Oh, we've got to continue to reduce our missions to

1839
01:25:19,600 --> 01:25:21,680
Speaker 22: help to help reach the government's targets, right, and we've

1840
01:25:21,720 --> 01:25:23,400
Speaker 22: said that we're going to do that and we are

1841
01:25:23,439 --> 01:25:26,080
Speaker 22: working on that. However, we didn't need this threat of

1842
01:25:26,080 --> 01:25:29,360
Speaker 22: being priced to a point and that's you know, driving

1843
01:25:29,400 --> 01:25:32,320
Speaker 22: many farmers broke. That was never going to make any sense.

1844
01:25:33,040 --> 01:25:34,880
Speaker 2: Are you going to do any work because there's another

1845
01:25:34,920 --> 01:25:37,759
Speaker 2: industry group that's now being set up to replace Hairwalker Echinoy,

1846
01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:40,360
Speaker 2: Are you guys going to do work towards finding a

1847
01:25:40,360 --> 01:25:41,639
Speaker 2: way to price your missions?

1848
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:42,960
Speaker 1: Now?

1849
01:25:43,000 --> 01:25:44,800
Speaker 22: I don't see it said that is the case. I

1850
01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:47,160
Speaker 22: see it as a group that's working on reducing our

1851
01:25:47,200 --> 01:25:50,800
Speaker 22: missions and hopefully we can do that without pricing. That's

1852
01:25:50,800 --> 01:25:53,960
Speaker 22: certainly what I'm leading towards, and I certainly won't be

1853
01:25:53,960 --> 01:25:56,759
Speaker 22: putting a price on our missions while I'm I'm president

1854
01:25:56,760 --> 01:25:58,320
Speaker 22: of fed at Farmers and I hope no one else

1855
01:25:58,360 --> 01:25:58,920
Speaker 22: will be either.

1856
01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:02,080
Speaker 2: Are you of the view that we should not price

1857
01:26:02,120 --> 01:26:03,360
Speaker 2: agricultural emissions?

1858
01:26:05,320 --> 01:26:07,679
Speaker 22: That is my view at the stage, because I think

1859
01:26:07,680 --> 01:26:10,040
Speaker 22: we can come up with solutions without having to price it,

1860
01:26:10,360 --> 01:26:13,200
Speaker 22: and if we can, that'll be better for everyone. And

1861
01:26:14,080 --> 01:26:16,479
Speaker 22: you know, if we can let the markets determine what,

1862
01:26:16,840 --> 01:26:18,880
Speaker 22: you know, what farmers can and can't do, then I

1863
01:26:18,880 --> 01:26:19,800
Speaker 22: think that's a good way forward.

1864
01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:21,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank god for some common sense here. Okay, but

1865
01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:23,479
Speaker 2: what about the threat then that you're going to have

1866
01:26:23,520 --> 01:26:25,720
Speaker 2: some I mean I'm thinking particularly of dairy, right that

1867
01:26:25,800 --> 01:26:28,120
Speaker 2: you're going to have the likes of I don't know,

1868
01:26:28,200 --> 01:26:32,160
Speaker 2: Nisle stop taking, stop taking our products because our emissions

1869
01:26:32,160 --> 01:26:34,200
Speaker 2: they consider to be too high.

1870
01:26:34,240 --> 01:26:36,719
Speaker 22: Well, I think that's a classic example, right, farming actually

1871
01:26:36,720 --> 01:26:39,439
Speaker 22: moved faster than the likes of what her what recon

1872
01:26:39,479 --> 01:26:42,200
Speaker 22: I was talking about. I mean, we've got Nestleigh asking

1873
01:26:42,280 --> 01:26:45,639
Speaker 22: us to reduce our missions and Fonterra have responded by saying, hey,

1874
01:26:45,880 --> 01:26:48,479
Speaker 22: we're going to do that, but with these twenty thirty targets.

1875
01:26:48,479 --> 01:26:51,880
Speaker 22: So that's that's farmer's taking responsibility for themselves without having

1876
01:26:51,880 --> 01:26:54,599
Speaker 22: to having to have a price hanging over their heads.

1877
01:26:54,760 --> 01:26:56,639
Speaker 22: And ultimately lending the market decide.

1878
01:26:57,000 --> 01:26:59,559
Speaker 2: How does the government feel about you guys never paying

1879
01:26:59,640 --> 01:27:00,519
Speaker 2: for your missions?

1880
01:27:01,920 --> 01:27:04,080
Speaker 22: Oh well, I hope that they're feeling all right because

1881
01:27:04,120 --> 01:27:08,320
Speaker 22: they know how much we contribute to the to the

1882
01:27:08,600 --> 01:27:11,479
Speaker 22: to the country. And then also on top of that,

1883
01:27:11,479 --> 01:27:14,479
Speaker 22: they know how much we contribute to vival emissions. We

1884
01:27:14,520 --> 01:27:17,519
Speaker 22: actually bring warm them down in this country by producing

1885
01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:19,559
Speaker 22: the milk in the way that we do, and they

1886
01:27:19,600 --> 01:27:22,439
Speaker 22: know that if they if they cap production here, it's

1887
01:27:22,439 --> 01:27:24,040
Speaker 22: going to go off season, it's going to produce the

1888
01:27:24,040 --> 01:27:26,479
Speaker 22: missions that are higher rate. That just makes no sense

1889
01:27:26,479 --> 01:27:27,400
Speaker 22: at all, Am I right.

1890
01:27:27,360 --> 01:27:29,200
Speaker 2: In thinking there is no other country in the world

1891
01:27:29,240 --> 01:27:31,120
Speaker 2: that charges farmers for their emissions.

1892
01:27:32,160 --> 01:27:33,439
Speaker 22: That's my understanding as well.

1893
01:27:33,560 --> 01:27:35,280
Speaker 2: So it would have been a completely crazy thing that

1894
01:27:35,320 --> 01:27:37,320
Speaker 2: only we were doing.

1895
01:27:38,200 --> 01:27:41,240
Speaker 22: Well exactly when when we are so efficient. That's that

1896
01:27:41,400 --> 01:27:43,840
Speaker 22: was the frustrating thing about it. So so yes, we

1897
01:27:43,880 --> 01:27:46,439
Speaker 22: acknowledge that, you know, there will be tools that have

1898
01:27:46,520 --> 01:27:49,080
Speaker 22: come along and other countries may may jump on these

1899
01:27:49,200 --> 01:27:53,080
Speaker 22: and we may not be as the most efficient leading

1900
01:27:53,080 --> 01:27:54,439
Speaker 22: into the future. But that's why we've got to keep

1901
01:27:54,439 --> 01:27:56,320
Speaker 22: working on it. Right, We've got this competitive edge at

1902
01:27:56,360 --> 01:27:58,880
Speaker 22: the moment. Let's keep working and spending the money on

1903
01:27:58,920 --> 01:28:02,559
Speaker 22: that rather than then you know, some big text that

1904
01:28:02,680 --> 01:28:05,960
Speaker 22: goes who knows where and producers who knows what?

1905
01:28:06,520 --> 01:28:09,479
Speaker 2: Wayne? You know, the thing about it is, I mean,

1906
01:28:09,520 --> 01:28:11,639
Speaker 2: you can have some common sense in the current government,

1907
01:28:11,680 --> 01:28:14,200
Speaker 2: but the last lot will pretty kookie, and there's always

1908
01:28:14,240 --> 01:28:16,559
Speaker 2: the chance that the next red team that comes in

1909
01:28:16,600 --> 01:28:18,880
Speaker 2: as kookie as well. Are you guys worried that you

1910
01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:20,760
Speaker 2: might get a slight reprieve but this thing is just

1911
01:28:20,800 --> 01:28:21,799
Speaker 2: going to come at you anyway.

1912
01:28:22,840 --> 01:28:24,960
Speaker 22: Oh well, that's that's why I think when we say

1913
01:28:24,960 --> 01:28:27,160
Speaker 22: we're going to keep working on it, because we are.

1914
01:28:27,280 --> 01:28:30,400
Speaker 22: I mean, you're right, it's common sense that there'll be

1915
01:28:30,479 --> 01:28:34,320
Speaker 22: reviews of this as government's changed. But you know, we

1916
01:28:34,360 --> 01:28:36,760
Speaker 22: also acknowledge that that we are doing a fear bit

1917
01:28:36,800 --> 01:28:38,200
Speaker 22: of hard work here. We are in front of the

1918
01:28:38,479 --> 01:28:40,960
Speaker 22: in front of the game, we feel, and that's where

1919
01:28:41,000 --> 01:28:43,040
Speaker 22: we want to be when the next government does come in,

1920
01:28:43,080 --> 01:28:46,200
Speaker 22: whether it be three, six, nine or twelve years whenever

1921
01:28:46,280 --> 01:28:48,280
Speaker 22: that is, we'll be ready for it.

1922
01:28:49,120 --> 01:28:50,760
Speaker 2: Have you heard from many farmers about how they feel

1923
01:28:50,760 --> 01:28:51,080
Speaker 2: about this.

1924
01:28:53,040 --> 01:28:55,920
Speaker 22: I'm certainly a fear bit of relief. I think that's

1925
01:28:55,960 --> 01:28:58,240
Speaker 22: what I'm hearing early on I'm just heading the field

1926
01:28:58,280 --> 01:29:01,280
Speaker 22: days now, I'll be catching up with literally thousands of them,

1927
01:29:01,280 --> 01:29:04,760
Speaker 22: I think. So it's going to be really interesting to

1928
01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:06,760
Speaker 22: see what the mood is there and how farmers taken

1929
01:29:06,760 --> 01:29:07,000
Speaker 22: it all on.

1930
01:29:07,160 --> 01:29:08,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was going to ask you, what do you

1931
01:29:08,240 --> 01:29:09,560
Speaker 2: think the mood's going to be like, because it's a

1932
01:29:09,600 --> 01:29:10,799
Speaker 2: pretty tough time to be a farmer.

1933
01:29:11,840 --> 01:29:14,800
Speaker 22: Yeah, definitely a tough tough time. The red Meate tect

1934
01:29:14,800 --> 01:29:17,880
Speaker 22: here in particular doing it really tough. But the area

1935
01:29:17,880 --> 01:29:20,280
Speaker 22: has been being going all right, but you know, there's

1936
01:29:20,280 --> 01:29:22,360
Speaker 22: still not a lot of money around them, particularly not

1937
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Speaker 22: going through the winter. So the field days are going

1938
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Speaker 22: to be a really interesting one hopefully. Hopefully those that

1939
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Speaker 22: are attending a buying something and the guys that are

1940
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Speaker 22: exhibiting are getting something out of.

1941
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Speaker 20: It as well.

1942
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Speaker 2: Good stuff, Wayne, listen, enjoy yourself and thanks for your time.

1943
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Speaker 2: Wayne Langford, Presidents of Federated Farmers. Now, we've been speaking

1944
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Speaker 2: a little bit in the last week or so about

1945
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Speaker 2: about the shakeup of the Super Rugby competition, or the

1946
01:29:42,520 --> 01:29:45,080
Speaker 2: potential shakeup of the Super Rugby competition, how the playoffs

1947
01:29:45,080 --> 01:29:48,200
Speaker 2: are going to work. One of the possibilities of shaking

1948
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Speaker 2: up the playoffs, is that you drop the quarterfinals altogether,

1949
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Speaker 2: because if you don't have enough squads, like if you

1950
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Speaker 2: don't have eight squads going through, then you don't have

1951
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Speaker 2: a need for the quarterfinals. You just go straight to

1952
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Speaker 2: the semis and straight at the finals. Right, here's an

1953
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Speaker 2: argument for why that should happen, why we should drop

1954
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Speaker 2: the quarterfinals. This is from a sports rider who's crunched

1955
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Speaker 2: some numbers. He says, the four matches that we played

1956
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Speaker 2: on Friday and Saturday this past weekend weren't even close

1957
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Speaker 2: to being close. The Chiefs beat the Reds by twenty

1958
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Speaker 2: three points, the Hurricanes beat the Rebels by twenty seven points,

1959
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Speaker 2: the Blues beat the Drawer by thirty one points, and

1960
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Speaker 2: the Brumbies beat the Highlanders by sixty one point sixteen points. Sorry, now,

1961
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Speaker 2: when you put that all together, the combined winning margin

1962
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Speaker 2: across the four matches was ninety six points. That only

1963
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Speaker 2: you've only had it that high or higher than that

1964
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Speaker 2: once before, which was the first time quarterfinals came to

1965
01:30:38,600 --> 01:30:40,720
Speaker 2: Super Ragby all the way back in twenty sixteen. That

1966
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Speaker 2: was the inaugural season. The four contests had a margin

1967
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Speaker 2: of one hundred and three points. It's the second highest.

1968
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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 2: Even then, two of the wins were by away teams,

1970
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Speaker 2: which made for better viewing than what was dish up

1971
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Speaker 2: last weekend, where basically all the away teams lost, right

1972
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Speaker 2: and it was only the home teams at one. Anyway,

1973
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Speaker 2: the point of that is simply to say that we

1974
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Speaker 2: need to get rid of these This is ultimately fundamentally

1975
01:31:04,320 --> 01:31:07,519
Speaker 2: is it not the problem with Super Rugby? It's just

1976
01:31:07,520 --> 01:31:10,920
Speaker 2: too uneven. Sometimes you'll get the odd match which is

1977
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Speaker 2: going to be an absolute dazzler, and so you tune

1978
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Speaker 2: in for for the rest is who wants to watch

1979
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Speaker 2: the Chiefs beat the Reds by twenty three points? Who

1980
01:31:17,720 --> 01:31:19,360
Speaker 2: even thought for one second that the Reds were going

1981
01:31:19,400 --> 01:31:21,120
Speaker 2: to beat the Chiefs? So when it's uneven like that,

1982
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Speaker 2: it's pointless, in which case get rid of the quarterfinals.

1983
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Speaker 2: And I'm on board with that argument. Intebrady's with us

1984
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Speaker 2: next seventeen away from seven.

1985
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Speaker 1: Crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's Heather due

1986
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Speaker 1: for ce Ellen with the Business hours. Thanks to my HR,

1987
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Speaker 1: the HR platform for SME on us talks.

1988
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Speaker 2: MB Intebrady UK correspondence with US.

1989
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Speaker 23: Hey ender, hey heave, great to speak to him do.

1990
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Speaker 2: You reckon that the public is going to forgive Sunak?

1991
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Speaker 23: Absolutely not leaving D Day commemorations early. I mean, forty

1992
01:31:50,000 --> 01:31:52,720
Speaker 23: one men who fought on the beaches eighty years ago

1993
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Speaker 23: managed to dust themselves off, get themselves into suits, and

1994
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Speaker 23: get themselves across the channel.

1995
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Speaker 8: And these are one hundred year old men.

1996
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Speaker 23: And they managed to see it out to the end

1997
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Speaker 23: of the day. President Biden eighty one years of age,

1998
01:32:05,400 --> 01:32:08,120
Speaker 23: not exactly nimble on his feet, he managed to see

1999
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Speaker 23: it out to the end of the day. And King Charles,

2000
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Speaker 23: who's got cancer, managed to stay until the end of

2001
01:32:13,880 --> 01:32:17,360
Speaker 23: the day. People are angry, people are very angry, and

2002
01:32:17,400 --> 01:32:20,160
Speaker 23: I don't think Sunac is getting it. So he's given

2003
01:32:20,160 --> 01:32:22,760
Speaker 23: this interview with Nick Robinson on the BBC, which a

2004
01:32:22,760 --> 01:32:24,920
Speaker 23: lot of people watched, and I thought it was a

2005
01:32:24,960 --> 01:32:29,000
Speaker 23: good combative grilling, and Sunac said that he just hopes

2006
01:32:29,040 --> 01:32:32,120
Speaker 23: the British public can forgive him. He didn't show very

2007
01:32:32,200 --> 01:32:35,400
Speaker 23: much remorse, I thought, and he didn't give an explanation.

2008
01:32:35,439 --> 01:32:37,880
Speaker 23: And for anyone who hasn't followed the story, he bailed

2009
01:32:37,880 --> 01:32:40,040
Speaker 23: out of D Day early in France to come back

2010
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Speaker 23: and do a pre recorded TV interview which hasn't actually

2011
01:32:43,680 --> 01:32:44,679
Speaker 23: gone out on air yet.

2012
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Now, over the weekend, probably as a result of this,

2013
01:32:48,160 --> 01:32:49,960
Speaker 2: he was on a media blackout right, the media weren't

2014
01:32:49,960 --> 01:32:52,679
Speaker 2: allowed anywhere near him. That has that now lifted.

2015
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Speaker 23: So campaign trail today will be different. It's the launch

2016
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Speaker 23: of the party manifesto.

2017
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Speaker 8: He can't hide. I mean, look, it's a low bar.

2018
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Speaker 23: There was a campaign a few years ago Boris Johnson

2019
01:33:03,600 --> 01:33:05,920
Speaker 23: actually hid in a fridge. Not a word of a lie.

2020
01:33:05,960 --> 01:33:09,519
Speaker 23: He hid in a fridge to avoid the media. Sunak

2021
01:33:09,760 --> 01:33:12,160
Speaker 23: had a complete media blackout at the weekend. They wouldn't

2022
01:33:12,240 --> 01:33:15,920
Speaker 23: let any anyone near him because they knew the anger.

2023
01:33:15,640 --> 01:33:17,960
Speaker 8: Was so raw with the public that he was quite

2024
01:33:18,080 --> 01:33:21,400
Speaker 8: likely to get decimated in an interview. So he didn't

2025
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Speaker 8: do anything at the weekend.

2026
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Speaker 23: Today's different, it's party manifesto launch. He will be talking

2027
01:33:26,240 --> 01:33:29,360
Speaker 23: about cutting taxes. I'm sure he will be telling people

2028
01:33:29,400 --> 01:33:32,360
Speaker 23: again that labor will put up taxes. Labor deny this,

2029
01:33:32,920 --> 01:33:35,240
Speaker 23: and the focus I think today a lot will be

2030
01:33:35,280 --> 01:33:38,800
Speaker 23: on house building and in particular helping young people get

2031
01:33:38,800 --> 01:33:41,360
Speaker 23: on the ladder. We have people in their thirties here

2032
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Speaker 23: with good jobs, living with mummy and daddy in their thirties.

2033
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Speaker 23: Something has gone badly wrong, and he accepted that. To

2034
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Speaker 23: be fair to Sunac, he accepted that under a conservative

2035
01:33:51,760 --> 01:33:54,080
Speaker 23: government it has got harder to buy a house.

2036
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Speaker 2: Yeah too, right, I mean do you think the fans

2037
01:33:57,000 --> 01:33:58,840
Speaker 2: off the hook though with him? I mean, nobody's going

2038
01:33:58,880 --> 01:34:00,479
Speaker 2: to listen to what nobody will ca what's in the

2039
01:34:00,520 --> 01:34:01,839
Speaker 2: menifestough right.

2040
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Speaker 23: Well, the polls, the polls are everything, and you know

2041
01:34:05,600 --> 01:34:08,920
Speaker 23: people are questioning the polls. I've worked long enough covering elections.

2042
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Speaker 23: It is extremely sophisticated. The polling now and Starmer's hitting

2043
01:34:14,000 --> 01:34:17,160
Speaker 23: forty six percentage points. And it's really interesting, Heather, because

2044
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Speaker 23: when you go around and talk to people, what do

2045
01:34:18,720 --> 01:34:21,760
Speaker 23: you think is Starmar? They all go always quite boring. Ah,

2046
01:34:21,840 --> 01:34:24,360
Speaker 23: he's got no charisma. Oh I'm not sure I agree

2047
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Speaker 23: with him, but I'm definitely voting for him because he's

2048
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Speaker 23: not Sunac.

2049
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Speaker 8: And that'll tell you. That'll tell you soon.

2050
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Speaker 23: Next polling twenty two to twenty three percent. The other

2051
01:34:32,080 --> 01:34:34,920
Speaker 23: fellow's double it, and people are saying he's got no charisma.

2052
01:34:35,000 --> 01:34:37,839
Speaker 23: So it's not like it's not like Tony Blair waves

2053
01:34:37,840 --> 01:34:41,320
Speaker 23: of optimism and charisma and incredible public speaking.

2054
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Speaker 8: I think people just don't like Sunac.

2055
01:34:44,160 --> 01:34:48,320
Speaker 23: But you know, my real concern is who's advising this guy?

2056
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Speaker 1: Right?

2057
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Speaker 23: I mean, I'm no politician and I'm no political advisor,

2058
01:34:52,080 --> 01:34:53,800
Speaker 23: But if I was looking at D Day, I would

2059
01:34:53,840 --> 01:34:57,120
Speaker 23: have said, stay until the last minute, shake hands with

2060
01:34:57,280 --> 01:35:00,559
Speaker 23: every single one of those men. And if possib when

2061
01:35:00,600 --> 01:35:02,879
Speaker 23: the king is giving his speech, shed a few.

2062
01:35:02,680 --> 01:35:03,519
Speaker 8: Tears in public.

2063
01:35:03,760 --> 01:35:06,680
Speaker 23: Yeah, and that sounds really cynical, but that's what the

2064
01:35:06,680 --> 01:35:07,880
Speaker 23: public wanted to see.

2065
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Speaker 8: And he bailed out. He went home early.

2066
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Speaker 2: Yeah too, Right, he's getting terrible advice or he's just

2067
01:35:12,080 --> 01:35:14,920
Speaker 2: not listening to advice. Hey, how cute was the advice

2068
01:35:14,920 --> 01:35:16,800
Speaker 2: that Prince Louis gave the football team.

2069
01:35:18,000 --> 01:35:18,599
Speaker 1: I love this.

2070
01:35:18,720 --> 01:35:22,559
Speaker 23: So EUROP twenty four gets underway on Friday night in Germany.

2071
01:35:22,600 --> 01:35:25,120
Speaker 23: So it's the Soccer Championships of Europe. The first game

2072
01:35:25,160 --> 01:35:27,800
Speaker 23: will be Scotland against Germany, and England.

2073
01:35:27,520 --> 01:35:27,960
Speaker 8: Are in there.

2074
01:35:27,960 --> 01:35:30,760
Speaker 23: Obviously, England are amongst the favorites to do really, really well,

2075
01:35:31,160 --> 01:35:34,280
Speaker 23: and Prince William has been to visit the team their

2076
01:35:34,600 --> 01:35:37,640
Speaker 23: training camp Saint George's Park, and William said to the

2077
01:35:37,640 --> 01:35:40,000
Speaker 23: boys in the dressing room he was addressing England, giving

2078
01:35:40,080 --> 01:35:42,400
Speaker 23: him a big kind of send off speech, and he said, look,

2079
01:35:42,800 --> 01:35:44,840
Speaker 23: I did the school run this morning and I said

2080
01:35:44,840 --> 01:35:46,760
Speaker 23: to the kids that I'd be seeing you boys later

2081
01:35:46,800 --> 01:35:49,280
Speaker 23: on today. And I said, any last minute advice kids,

2082
01:35:49,280 --> 01:35:51,720
Speaker 23: What should I tell Harry Kane and the team? And

2083
01:35:51,800 --> 01:35:55,080
Speaker 23: Prince Louis piped up and he said, have double helpings

2084
01:35:55,080 --> 01:35:55,599
Speaker 23: at dinner.

2085
01:35:55,800 --> 01:35:59,160
Speaker 8: That will help you play better. So William passed that

2086
01:35:59,200 --> 01:35:59,800
Speaker 8: on to the team.

2087
01:36:00,040 --> 01:36:02,200
Speaker 23: I'm not sure extra food is going to help elite

2088
01:36:02,200 --> 01:36:05,040
Speaker 23: athletes run around and get crumps and stitches, but it

2089
01:36:05,160 --> 01:36:07,080
Speaker 23: got a laugh and Prince Louis that's.

2090
01:36:06,960 --> 01:36:07,400
Speaker 8: What he does.

2091
01:36:07,600 --> 01:36:10,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's gorgeous. Hey, And to thank you as always appreciated, mate,

2092
01:36:10,200 --> 01:36:11,599
Speaker 2: look after yourself. We'll talk to you in a couple

2093
01:36:11,640 --> 01:36:15,240
Speaker 2: of days. It's end of Brady, UK correspondent. Earlier today

2094
01:36:15,240 --> 01:36:17,240
Speaker 2: there was a little bit of news out of Wellington

2095
01:36:17,320 --> 01:36:21,400
Speaker 2: that somebody had fallen down the stairwell in an abandoned building.

2096
01:36:22,320 --> 01:36:25,400
Speaker 2: It appears that, I mean, it's kind of being framed

2097
01:36:25,439 --> 01:36:27,839
Speaker 2: up as like, oh, it's an accident waiting to happen all.

2098
01:36:27,840 --> 01:36:29,400
Speaker 2: I mean, the guy shouldn't have been in the building, right.

2099
01:36:29,479 --> 01:36:31,280
Speaker 2: It's a derelict building and the building was boarded up

2100
01:36:31,320 --> 01:36:32,920
Speaker 2: and stuff, and old mate decided to get in there.

2101
01:36:32,920 --> 01:36:34,720
Speaker 2: And you've got to be responsible for your actions. If

2102
01:36:34,760 --> 01:36:37,120
Speaker 2: you want to squat in a building that's unsafe, well,

2103
01:36:37,160 --> 01:36:39,920
Speaker 2: bad things may happen anyway. He is, unfortunately, by the

2104
01:36:40,000 --> 01:36:41,919
Speaker 2: sounds of things, not in a good way in the hospital.

2105
01:36:42,240 --> 01:36:45,040
Speaker 2: But it is an interesting point about this, right because

2106
01:36:45,080 --> 01:36:47,880
Speaker 2: originally people thought it was the Amora Hotel, which if

2107
01:36:47,920 --> 01:36:50,160
Speaker 2: you know Wellington you'll know is kind of there where

2108
01:36:51,600 --> 01:36:54,240
Speaker 2: the green Parrots. You go further down the key, sort

2109
01:36:54,240 --> 01:36:56,519
Speaker 2: of like just to the side, there's the older Moro

2110
01:36:56,640 --> 01:36:59,519
Speaker 2: Hotel hasn't been opened for donkeys years now. It's actually

2111
01:36:59,520 --> 01:37:01,400
Speaker 2: not that build it's the building next to it, so

2112
01:37:01,479 --> 01:37:03,600
Speaker 2: I didn't even realize was also not open, which is

2113
01:37:03,640 --> 01:37:07,519
Speaker 2: Pringle House. Pringle House has been empty in the city

2114
01:37:07,640 --> 01:37:11,640
Speaker 2: since the Cai Coder earthquake in twenty sixteen. Now, I

2115
01:37:11,840 --> 01:37:14,639
Speaker 2: reckon they have got a problem in Wellington. I reckon

2116
01:37:14,640 --> 01:37:16,360
Speaker 2: they've got a really big problem and they're gonna have

2117
01:37:16,439 --> 01:37:18,879
Speaker 2: to do something about this now because there are key buildings.

2118
01:37:18,920 --> 01:37:22,080
Speaker 2: There's the Amora Hotel, there's the Reading Cinema, there's Pringle House,

2119
01:37:22,360 --> 01:37:24,960
Speaker 2: all of which have essentially been closed for what's like

2120
01:37:25,040 --> 01:37:27,840
Speaker 2: seven years, slightly more than that. In some cases, you

2121
01:37:27,880 --> 01:37:30,360
Speaker 2: can't have that happening in a city. I mean that's

2122
01:37:30,880 --> 01:37:33,880
Speaker 2: because the alleyway there is being called crack alley. This

2123
01:37:34,000 --> 01:37:36,120
Speaker 2: is between the Amora Hotel and Pringle Hotel because the

2124
01:37:36,120 --> 01:37:38,120
Speaker 2: place is derelict. As a result, bad people are hanging

2125
01:37:38,120 --> 01:37:40,439
Speaker 2: around there and just causing trouble and stuff. So anyway

2126
01:37:40,680 --> 01:37:44,599
Speaker 2: between the city council, when they can stop doing weird stuff,

2127
01:37:44,960 --> 01:37:46,720
Speaker 2: when they can actually just pay attention to what's going

2128
01:37:46,760 --> 01:37:48,240
Speaker 2: on in the city, if they could just direct their

2129
01:37:48,280 --> 01:37:51,000
Speaker 2: attention to this, between them and central government, they're gonna

2130
01:37:51,040 --> 01:37:53,360
Speaker 2: have to figure out a way of forcing these owners

2131
01:37:53,439 --> 01:37:55,519
Speaker 2: to do something with the building, either knock the building

2132
01:37:55,560 --> 01:37:57,960
Speaker 2: down or renovate the building or do something. But they

2133
01:37:57,960 --> 01:38:01,280
Speaker 2: can't just sit there for decades coming up to a decade.

2134
01:38:01,360 --> 01:38:03,160
Speaker 2: They can't just sit there for that long with absolutely

2135
01:38:03,200 --> 01:38:06,120
Speaker 2: nothing going on. Seven away from seven, whether.

2136
01:38:05,840 --> 01:38:09,600
Speaker 1: It's macro, MicroB or just plain economics. It's all on

2137
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Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen and my Hr,

2138
01:38:13,479 --> 01:38:16,000
Speaker 1: the HR platform for sme US talk SIP.

2139
01:38:17,320 --> 01:38:19,599
Speaker 2: Heather, I don't think Rishisona's going to be crying when

2140
01:38:19,600 --> 01:38:21,880
Speaker 2: he loses the election, his family wealth of six hundred

2141
01:38:21,880 --> 01:38:24,880
Speaker 2: and fifty million pounds. Trevor, You're right, he's not going

2142
01:38:24,960 --> 01:38:27,759
Speaker 2: to care at all. But you know, still a bruise

2143
01:38:27,800 --> 01:38:28,720
Speaker 2: on the ego, isn't it.

2144
01:38:28,840 --> 01:38:29,040
Speaker 1: Hey.

2145
01:38:29,280 --> 01:38:30,800
Speaker 2: By the way, I haven't given you an update for

2146
01:38:30,840 --> 01:38:32,840
Speaker 2: ages on what's going on with the public sector. The

2147
01:38:32,920 --> 01:38:35,800
Speaker 2: Ministry of Education has confirmed another one hundred and forty

2148
01:38:35,800 --> 01:38:39,400
Speaker 2: six job losses, taking its total total estimated cuts to

2149
01:38:39,439 --> 01:38:42,520
Speaker 2: more than seven hundred, which is brilliant because that department

2150
01:38:42,920 --> 01:38:45,639
Speaker 2: went completely nuts on the hiring, Like they just hired

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Speaker 2: heaps and heaps people when they should have been hiring teachers.

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Speaker 2: They were not anyway, Listen, I love a weird baby

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Speaker 2: name because I don't know what, Like, there's there's some

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Speaker 2: sort of a relationship between being famous and then coming

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Speaker 2: up with really weird names. I don't know why. Maybe

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Speaker 2: when you're famous, you realize rules don't apply to you anymore.

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Speaker 2: So then you're like, nor do they to my children,

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Speaker 2: So I shall bless them with a weird name. So

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Speaker 2: a Glee star called Darren Chris and his wife have

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Speaker 2: had a boy, and they've named the little boy brother.

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Speaker 2: That's his name.

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Speaker 3: Brother.

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Speaker 2: Why because he is a brother, because I've already got one.

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Speaker 2: They called that one bluesy Bell, so blueesy bell. They

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Speaker 2: were like, you're gonna get a brother, We're gonna call

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Speaker 2: it brother. I don't know that's.

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Speaker 19: I think brother got the better of that particular exchange,

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Speaker 19: but only because bluesy Bell is more.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, imagine that. I imagine being being born to a

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Speaker 2: famous person and what have you got?

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Speaker 19: So, Taylor Swift, who's afraid of little old me? There's

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Speaker 19: a new book coming out about The Apprentice, the TV

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Speaker 19: show that Donald Trump. Well, it was what made Donald

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Speaker 19: Trump famous to a lot of people in this part

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Speaker 19: of the world. And as part of the book, he

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Speaker 19: spoke to the authors about his thoughts on Taylor Swift,

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Speaker 19: and the excerpt where he talks about that has been

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Speaker 19: published in Variety. So I'm just going to read you

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Speaker 19: what he said. I think she he's liberal. She probably

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Speaker 19: doesn't like Trump. This is this is what he said.

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Speaker 19: He said, she probably doesn't like Trump, referring to himself

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Speaker 19: on the third person. I hear she's very talented. I

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Speaker 19: think she's very beautiful, actually unusually beautiful. So there we go,

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Speaker 19: Donald Trump, a uh, Taylor Swift fan if.

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Speaker 2: He's trying to get her endorsement, isn't.

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Speaker 19: He he really is?

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's not gonna happen, Trumpy, It's never ever gonna happen.

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Speaker 2: Best of like mate, Yeah, but you know what, God

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Speaker 2: loves a tryer and that's how you got to where

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Speaker 2: you are because you tried. When everybody says it's not

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Speaker 2: going to happen, Trumpy, you tried and it happens.

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Speaker 19: Also, you're going to compliment someone I think unusually beautiful.

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Speaker 19: That's an odd adjective to use there.

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Speaker 2: Unusually is so weird. It's weird, isn't he?

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Speaker 9: Anyway?

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Speaker 2: See you tomorrow?

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Speaker 1: Well, who's afraid a little?

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Speaker 16: Me?

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