1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,000 Speaker 1: Well, Hurricane Stanford's back. Along with the National curriculum refresh, 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:05,800 Speaker 1: we get new subjects civic electronics and computer science and 3 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 1: for laughs, journalism, toss in a bit of AI as well. 4 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 1: Education Minister Erica Stanford is with us, good. 5 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:11,800 Speaker 2: Morning, good morning. 6 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 1: Why these specific subjects and how do you choose them? 7 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 2: Well, the Ministry of Education have given me quite a 8 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:22,759 Speaker 2: lot of advice. But there's also some of things that 9 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 2: we've been talking about for a very long time, like Civics, 10 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 2: but we've never done and there's been many groups have 11 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 2: called for a Civics to be taught in our schools 12 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 2: and so that was a no brainer. And then there 13 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 2: are other things like further maths, which is taught in 14 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 2: other similar jurisdictions but we don't have. It's in the 15 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 2: Cambridge curriculum for example. And then applied Maths was something 16 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 2: that we knew we needed to have in order for 17 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 2: those young people who are doing a industry lead subject 18 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 2: to have a math subject that was specific to more 19 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:53,199 Speaker 2: of a vocational pathway. 20 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: Okay, the actual roll out in the detail behind it 21 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: and the need for specialist teachers and who gets to 22 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: choose the subjects and what's gool, they turn up and 23 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: et cetera. When do we know that. 24 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 2: We'll have more detail out in the next month about 25 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 2: the criteria for each subject and the description, I should say, 26 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:15,040 Speaker 2: and they'll be available early next year, so people will 27 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 2: actually be able to see the new curriculum early next year. 28 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 1: Involved the industries, And does that reassure us that these 29 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: are proper subjects that will lead somewhere? 30 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 2: Well, most of these subjects lead on to tertiary pathways. 31 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 2: If you look at, for example, the politics, philosophy, and civics, 32 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 2: so that is a pathway that you can carry on doing. 33 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 2: Many schools were already offering some of these things. They 34 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 2: were trying to sort of cobble together credits from units 35 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:47,279 Speaker 2: from different subjects to create these pathways. So, for example, 36 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 2: philosophy has been something that's been taught in some schools, 37 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 2: you know, Civics and politics and other schools. So we're 38 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 2: trying to create really good subjects for schools who were 39 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 2: already doing them. 40 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: Three things. While I've got you related matters. The growing 41 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 1: pushback that appears to be building around general changes to NCEEA, 42 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: Is this a fight building? 43 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 2: No? I don't think so. I think actually things that shifting. 44 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:12,079 Speaker 2: I was talking to a principle yesterday who said many 45 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:14,359 Speaker 2: of the principals who signed that original letter are now 46 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:17,959 Speaker 2: have changed their minds, which is encouraging. Also, I'm meeting 47 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 2: with the associations, all of the principal associations to talk 48 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 2: them through the proposal, and there's a lot of misinformation 49 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 2: that's been put out there. We're just and as we 50 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 2: go through that, people feel a lot more comfortable, and 51 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 2: also they understand that there is there will be more 52 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:36,959 Speaker 2: consultation to come. But I'll point out that when Hipkins 53 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 2: went through his level one changes, I was just looking 54 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 2: at the nz CER report after he proposed his changes 55 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 2: thirty five or thirty four, it was percent of the 56 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 2: sector supported them. It is always a huge debate and 57 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:51,920 Speaker 2: it was no different then. I think they took out 58 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 2: a full page Herald article against him at the time 59 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 2: and it was similar concerns. So it is always up 60 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 2: for debate. But actually the feedback that I'm getting as 61 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 2: overwhelmingly positive. But we will certainly make some changes, no doubt. 62 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 1: Okay, the pace scrap any closer. 63 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 2: I can't answer that because I'm obviously not in the negotiations. 64 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:17,639 Speaker 2: I hope so we in good faith put literally everything 65 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 2: on the table and said, hey, look, let's bargain on this. 66 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: I have a good weekend. I don't have time for 67 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 1: the third party you met with Willow Jene Prime. So 68 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:30,119 Speaker 1: maybe that goes somewhere, maybe it doesn't. For more from 69 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:33,239 Speaker 1: the My Asking Breakfast, listen live to news talks. It'd 70 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 1: be from six am weekdays, or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.