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Speaker 1: Now our work has started on the first new road

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Speaker 1: of national significance. It's the Hawks Bay Expressway being expanded

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Speaker 1: into a four lane highway.

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Speaker 2: Transport Minister is Simeon Browne A Simn.

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Speaker 3: How are you.

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Speaker 2: I'm very well, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Before we get to the roads of national significance. Wellington

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Speaker 1: City Council, did the intervention thing come up at cabinet today?

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Speaker 3: Look, I've received advice and I'm considering it in regards

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Speaker 3: to the next steps in terms of Wellington City Council.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So if you decide that you intervene, you want

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Speaker 1: to intervene, that goes to cabinet. If you decide you

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Speaker 1: don't want to intervene, does it go to cabinet?

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Speaker 3: Well, ultimately, under the Act it's a ministerial power which

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Speaker 3: I have to take into account the legislation. It's a

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Speaker 3: serious issue. But obviously, as I said, I've received advice.

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Speaker 1: I'm now considering it, so you don't have to take

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Speaker 1: it to cabinet.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's a ministerial it's a ministerial power that's under

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Speaker 3: the Act. However, you know, with all of these things,

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Speaker 3: consultation with colleagues is important. But as I've said, look,

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Speaker 3: there's some serious issues here that we've asked for advice on.

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Speaker 3: I've now received that advice and I'm considering it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, did you see the eleven principles that came out

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Speaker 1: today that Tory Faro has laid out for her counselors.

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Speaker 3: Oh, look, I haven't seen that yet. I mean, obviously

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Speaker 3: I met with the mayor last week and she raised

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Speaker 3: a number of you know, a number of areas that

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Speaker 3: she's looking at in terms of trying to address the issue.

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Speaker 3: But as I said, this is a significant issue for

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Speaker 3: the council to relitigate its entire long term plan. I've

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Speaker 3: asked for some advice in terms of the intervention powers,

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Speaker 3: and I'm considering it right now.

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Speaker 1: The reason I ask if you've seen these eleven principles

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Speaker 1: is that it feels like she's ring fencing and safeguarded.

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Speaker 1: She's just laying out the rules, right. She's like, you

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Speaker 1: can touch anything, but you can't touch these things that

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Speaker 1: are important to me, which hardly feels like the kind

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Speaker 1: of spirit that is needed around that table to actually

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Speaker 1: get things done. And I mean, do you feel convinced

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Speaker 1: at all that you are seeing signs from either side

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Speaker 1: that they actually can achieve some sort of consensus here.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think the key thing here is, as I

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Speaker 3: said last week, this decision made by the council to

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Speaker 3: effectively relitigate the entire long term plan is concerning with

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Speaker 3: The focus here is on the impact potential impact on ratepayers.

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Speaker 3: That's what we're concerned about. But as I said, I've

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Speaker 3: asked with some advice, which is now been delivered to

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Speaker 3: me by dawn, and then I will now be considering.

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Speaker 1: How come you guys met last week and neither of

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Speaker 1: you raised the intervention possibility.

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Speaker 2: There's weird.

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Speaker 3: Well, the reality is, you know, we both acknowledged that

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Speaker 3: I'd asked for advice, I had not yet received it

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Speaker 3: at that point. I've now received it and I'm considered.

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Speaker 2: But did you guys, like for the whole meeting just

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Speaker 2: talk around it.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm not going to go into the detail of

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Speaker 3: the meeting, but the reality is, you know, she outlined

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Speaker 3: some of the plans she has to try and address

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Speaker 3: the issue. But the key issue here is the Councilor's

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Speaker 3: decided to religate its entire long term plan. Our governments

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Speaker 3: focus here is on the impact will potential impact on ratepayers.

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Speaker 3: We're now received. We've received advice in regards to the

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Speaker 3: next steps on that and I'm considering it okay.

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Speaker 2: And when are you going to make a decision do

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Speaker 2: you think.

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Speaker 3: Well, I need to take time to consider it as

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Speaker 3: a serious issue under the Government Act. And we're considering

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Speaker 3: it okay.

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Speaker 1: This road, when do you expect to finish this road

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Speaker 1: in Hawks Bay?

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Speaker 3: Well, the advice I've got from m ZTA, it'll be

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Speaker 3: three years of construction to deliver the first stage, which

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Speaker 3: is the most critical stage, which is the stage which

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Speaker 3: was started Early Works. Today holds about twenty ninth or

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Speaker 3: about twenty nine thousand cars move on that road each

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Speaker 3: and every day, and it can get incredibly congested during

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Speaker 3: peak hours. And I think I'd say to the good

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Speaker 3: people of Hawk's Bay, this road would not have started

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Speaker 3: early works today if they hadn't devoted for national at

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Speaker 3: the last election. This is great news.

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Speaker 2: Why did you decide to go for this one? First?

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Speaker 3: Though, is the project to be proud around the country

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Speaker 3: ARMIESUSU in ZTA is Look, we've identified the roads of

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Speaker 3: national significance. This is a program of roading upgrades to

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Speaker 3: unlock economic growth and productivity across New Zealand. I've said

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Speaker 3: to them we need to find the opportunity to get

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Speaker 3: early works under construction, to get to construction as quickly

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Speaker 3: as possible. We want to be a government which gets

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Speaker 3: things done, and so I've been looking for opportunities. The

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Speaker 3: great thing here is this is designated road. It's already

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Speaker 3: got a designation in place. They're using sandy are they

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Speaker 3: using silt which is from the cyclone? They're using it

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Speaker 3: to compact the ground so that they can bring forward

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Speaker 3: the full construction next year on this important road in

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Speaker 3: national significance.

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Speaker 2: Reliant stuff.

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Speaker 1: Hey Simin, thanks very much for talking us through at

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Speaker 1: Simon Brown, Transport Minister.

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