1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:01,160 Speaker 1: Joe, how are you doing. 2 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 2: Great, Mike? 3 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:05,440 Speaker 1: How are you rememb very well? Indeed, so Maloney's decided 4 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: to suggest it's outside international law. Where's this come from? 5 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:11,320 Speaker 1: Is she under pressure to say that? Or would she 6 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 1: hate Trump? Or what's the pointable of this? 7 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 2: Well, I think she's as we've talked about before, I 8 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:20,959 Speaker 2: think she's walking this little tightrope between not really wanting 9 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:24,640 Speaker 2: to be openly critical of US President Donald Trump, but 10 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 2: also quite mindful of the polls here there's not a 11 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 2: lot of support for the attacks that are going on 12 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 2: in the Middle East, and so she told Parliament that 13 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:37,880 Speaker 2: it was outside the scope of international law. She's also 14 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 2: been having a video call today with other G seven 15 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:45,520 Speaker 2: leaders as they talk about the need to keep these 16 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:49,839 Speaker 2: keep the waters open and keep that try and keep 17 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 2: that oil flowing exactly. 18 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 1: And then she's gone it the school bombing as well, 19 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:58,959 Speaker 1: So that I mean, she's obviously trying to rack something up, 20 00:00:59,040 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 1: isn't she. 21 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, I think to call for an inquiry into 22 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 2: that massacre of the Iranian schoolgirls, she's really sticking her 23 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 2: neck out there. She didn't really have to talk about that, 24 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:14,839 Speaker 2: so that's really serving it up to the president. Once again, 25 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 2: I would say. 26 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 1: Where are you at with these fueld duties? I know 27 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 1: that in Britain they thinking about it, they're wavering on it. 28 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:24,399 Speaker 1: We're not at the stage anyway. Where are you at? 29 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 2: Well, Maloney's very nervous about the petrol price. As you 30 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 2: can imagine, it's gone up to about three dollars ninety 31 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 2: New Zealand dollars a liter, so that's quite significant, and 32 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:40,400 Speaker 2: everyone from the baker's to the farmers are complaining about 33 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:45,040 Speaker 2: the surge and energy costs. So she's talking about cutting 34 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 2: fuel duties. She's also warning of an extra at tax 35 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 2: on anyone caught speculating. I don't know how you do that, 36 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 2: but that's what she's saying. 37 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 1: Okay, texting speculation. That's an interesting thing. Inflation is the 38 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 1: concern over that and where it goes and at the 39 00:01:57,880 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 1: price of everything starts to go up. 40 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:03,279 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean at the moment, inflation has been quite 41 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 2: stable around well, had to go up to one point 42 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 2: six percent in February, but there are warnings that it 43 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:12,079 Speaker 2: could go as high as six percent if these energy 44 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 2: prices surge and we don't see an end to the 45 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 2: war in the near future. 46 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, but then your job numbers. Look at those job numbers, Yeah. 47 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 2: Quite incredible, five point one percent, the lowest since two 48 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 2: thousand and four and lower than the UK. So I 49 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 2: think Maloney would have been very encouraged by that. But 50 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 2: at the same time, you've got to remember that in 51 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 2: Italy there's a lot of people who don't register to 52 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:37,959 Speaker 2: be seeking work, so they fall through. 53 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: The numbers and you'll be like everyone else, the young people, 54 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 1: those unemployed. It's the young people who are disproportionately represented. 55 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:44,919 Speaker 2: You exactly. 56 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: Now, this referendum on judicial reform, what are they actually 57 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: looking to achieve. 58 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 2: Well, this is really a continuation of You might remember 59 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:57,679 Speaker 2: the late Prime Minister Silvio Blosconi was always at war 60 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 2: with the judiciary. Georgia Malie has continued that she sees 61 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 2: the judiciary as constantly undermining her government reforms, so she 62 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 2: wants to separate the path of judges and prosecutors. In Italy, 63 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 2: they can sort of move between the two. One minute, 64 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 2: you can be a prosecutor and then you can be 65 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 2: a judge. She doesn't want that to happen. She also 66 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 2: wants to create a greater discipline among the appointment of 67 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 2: judges and the supervising body for the judges. So if 68 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 2: that gets through, it gives her enormous power. But there 69 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 2: seems to be pushback at the moment. 70 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:32,359 Speaker 1: Well, I was going to say, so when you held 71 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 1: a referendum, is it a binding referendum? And who turns 72 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 1: up for this? Does everyone turn up or it's the 73 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 1: usual thirty percent turnout? 74 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's going to be a load turnout, I imagine. However, 75 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 2: the opposition parties are saying that the no is starting 76 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 2: to mount. Whatever happens, it's certainly going to be a 77 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 2: referendum on Maloney's performance. So we'll see that result in 78 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 2: around the twenty third of March. 79 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: This Caravaggio. In difficult times, when the state unloads thirty 80 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 1: million euros on a painting, do people go, oh my god, 81 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 1: what are you thinking? Or is the is the prestige 82 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: of what they're doing well supported? Yeah? 83 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 2: I mean I was looking around for some reaction today. 84 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 2: I don't see a lot of pushback and that surprised 85 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 2: me because thirty million euros when everyone's struggling and we're 86 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:19,359 Speaker 2: seeing this surgeon in petrol prices, but they've invested, the 87 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 2: government's bought has spent thirty million to buy this amazing 88 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 2: portrait of a noble who ended up becoming a pope. 89 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 2: And it was on display recently in Rome, and now 90 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 2: it's going to be part of the permanent collection at 91 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:36,160 Speaker 2: the Palazzo Barberini. And it is quite spectacular and quite 92 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 2: rare to have a new carra Vajo on show. 93 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 1: I only ever knew he there's always because he's so old, 94 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: there's always been an issue around, you know, how much 95 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 1: is real and how much isn't. It's only about sixty 96 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 1: five of this painting's around. But you're right. It is 97 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: a beautiful piece of work, isn't it. 98 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 2: It's really beautiful and the pictures don't do it just 99 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:55,279 Speaker 2: as I saw it on show, and it was really 100 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:56,040 Speaker 2: quite amazing. 101 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: Nice to talk to you, Joejo Well, Joe McKenna, who 102 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 1: is in that it was going called Monsignor Maffeo Barbarini. 103 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 1: It was painted when he was in his thirties, which 104 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: is when you really should if you any portrait of 105 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 1: yourself done, you should really get it done in your thirties. 106 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: It's when you're looking at your peak, unless you want to, 107 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 1: you know. II anyway, where was like, oh yes, Spain 108 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: just quickly Trump on Spain. 109 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 2: I don't know what Spain's doing. They've been very bad 110 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 2: to NATO. They get protected, they don't want to pay 111 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 2: their fair share, and they've been that way for many 112 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 2: years in the world. 113 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:29,479 Speaker 1: Let me give you the good news. Let me give 114 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 1: you the good news. The people of Spain are fantastic. 115 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 2: The leadership like you. 116 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 1: The leadership that's so good. Yeah, well he's gonna have 117 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 1: problem solve. You just said with them Italy. 118 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 2: Now. 119 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 1: For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to 120 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:47,119 Speaker 1: news Talks. It'd be from six am weekdays, or follow 121 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.