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Speaker 1: Government has ordered councils to stop working on their regional plans.

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Speaker 1: They say it is pointless given that the plans are

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Speaker 1: being made under the current ROMA and the RMA is

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Speaker 1: about to be rewritten. Janet Campbell is the chair of

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Speaker 1: the RMA Expert Advisory Group.

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Speaker 2: Morning, Jeanette, Good morning, Heather.

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Speaker 1: Now, I know it's going to likely vary from council

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Speaker 1: to council, but on average, how much of a council's

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Speaker 1: work is wrapped up and designing the plan and then

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Speaker 1: holding the hearings and so on.

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Speaker 2: OI, there's a very large workload that councils hold to

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Speaker 2: advance plans. So this will remove a lot of unnecessary

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Speaker 2: work from council's books.

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Speaker 1: What would you reckon ten percent, thirty, fifty percent?

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm not one hundred percent sure heither, but my

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Speaker 2: gut feeling would be that it would be at least

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Speaker 2: fifty percent. Wow.

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Speaker 1: Really okay, Well, in which case, we're going to have

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Speaker 1: people sitting around, like a lot of people sitting around

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Speaker 1: potentially twiddling their thumbs for the next couple of years,

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Speaker 1: aren't they.

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Speaker 2: No doubt that very much. We've got a reform coming

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Speaker 2: that's going to require a lot of work froms. It's

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Speaker 2: going to be a big job to get ready for

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Speaker 2: and implement the new system that is coming, and I

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Speaker 2: think councils will certainly not be twiddling their thumbs. They'll

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Speaker 2: be doing a lot of thinking and work.

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Speaker 1: Are you into the idea of having twenty zones that

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Speaker 1: are used around the country and councils can pick from

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Speaker 1: one of those zones?

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Speaker 2: Look, I love the Minister's optimism about twenty zones. I'm

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Speaker 2: not sure whether we can pull it off, at least

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Speaker 2: perhaps not in one hit. We've got I can't remember

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Speaker 2: the number, but over a thousand at the moment, and

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Speaker 2: that certainly can be very much reduced. I'd love to

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Speaker 2: see twenty zones or something really close to it.

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Speaker 1: Ye, why can't we have as few as twenty zones?

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Speaker 2: Oh maybe I'm just unambitious this early in the morning, Heather,

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Speaker 2: It's just I don't know. We did have a big

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Speaker 2: reduction in zones when we had the Auckland Supercity come together,

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Speaker 2: and we had a lot of wrangling over, for example,

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Speaker 2: different residential zones, and that I think has ultimately been

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Speaker 2: really successful in his really simplified things. So maybe we

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Speaker 2: will maybe I'm just not yet, not well caffeinated enough.

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Speaker 1: You want to get yourself a cup of coffee and

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Speaker 1: start to feel the vibes. Jeanette Campbell, RMA Expert Advisory

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Speaker 1: Group Chair.

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