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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather

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Speaker 1: duper Cy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand to coverage

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Speaker 1: like no one else.

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Speaker 2: News Talks Heavy.

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Speaker 3: Afternoon. Welcome to the show. Coming up today, police say

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Speaker 3: they're coming after the people who helped Tom Phillips hide

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Speaker 3: in the bush. Lance Badett will explain how they're going

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Speaker 3: to track them down. The FMA on the news that

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Speaker 3: nearly a third of us who use ke we Sava

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Speaker 3: are now not contributing. That's the highest ever. And Willie

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Speaker 3: Jackson on Tarkuter Ferris what Heather duper Cy Ellen Jelabor's

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Speaker 3: got a new problem, and that is Tarkuter Ferris. I

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Speaker 3: mean to be fair. Actually he was already a problem beforehand,

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Speaker 3: but he is now a much bigger problem after he

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Speaker 3: posted his bizarre eight minute rant at midnight. Now, you've

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Speaker 3: really got to see this video to believe how bizarre

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Speaker 3: it actually is. In the video, Ferris is sitting on

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Speaker 3: his couch in a hoodie in a darkened room filmed

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Speaker 3: in black and white, and he's just riffing. He's riffing

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Speaker 3: about Willie Jackson. He's riffing about the colonization hangover, affecting

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Speaker 3: the English land. He's riffing about how he wouldn't have

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Speaker 3: got in trouble if he posted his Instagram post in

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Speaker 3: Today or Mary instead of English. It's the kind of

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Speaker 3: rant that you think is clever after a couple of cones,

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Speaker 3: but then when you're sober, it's really not clever at all.

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Speaker 3: He calls David Seymour an idiot. He tells Willy Jackson

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Speaker 3: he doesn't give a crap about Willie Jackson telling him off,

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Speaker 3: and then he doubles down on his position that Indians,

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Speaker 3: Asians and black people shouldn't campaign in Mary electric seats.

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Speaker 3: Now you don't need me to tell you what a

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Speaker 3: huge problem this kind of unhinged late night video post

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Speaker 3: is for Labour's chances of reelection. I mean, just think

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Speaker 3: about how are hard working under the pump couple of

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Speaker 3: middle New Zealand parents are going to react to this here.

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Speaker 3: They are going to sleep early and waking up at

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Speaker 3: the cracker dawn to get the kids to school and

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Speaker 3: then get off to work for the day, while this

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Speaker 3: videos and being a racist and probably earning more than

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Speaker 3: they do from their tax contribution. No one who wants

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Speaker 3: this economy firing in this country fixed is going to

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Speaker 3: think that this main man is capable of doing anything serious.

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Speaker 3: He is a deeply unserious human being. Labour knows what

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Speaker 3: a big problem this is for them. That's why they've

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Speaker 3: already called the Maori Party to complain about it. The

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Speaker 3: Marti Party realizes what a big problem this is for them.

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Speaker 3: If their mates Labour can't drag them into government because

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Speaker 3: Takuta Feris are saying stupid stuff like this. That's why

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Speaker 3: they've already apologized for this stuff. But Takuta's not sorry,

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Speaker 3: And as long as he keeps posting this kind of

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Speaker 3: late night, red eyed nonsense, they will all looked ill,

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Speaker 3: disciplined and unserious.

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Speaker 2: Heather do for see Allen.

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Speaker 3: Nine two ninety two is the text number. Standard text

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Speaker 3: fees apply now. The government wants to turn the burden

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Speaker 3: of proof on its head when it comes to new

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Speaker 3: shoplifting fines. Suspects would have to prove their innocence rather

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Speaker 3: than be assumed innocent until proven guilty. The Justice Minister,

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Speaker 3: Paul Goldsmith wants to introduce a five hundred dollars infringement

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Speaker 3: fee doubling to one thousand dollars if the value of

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Speaker 3: the stolen goods is more. Steve Cullen is a criminal

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Speaker 3: lawyer and with us. Now, hi, Steve, hi here, how

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Speaker 3: do you feel about this?

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Speaker 4: It's not as surprising as you might think. These are

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Speaker 4: common in what are called regulatory offenses that have happened

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Speaker 4: and occurred and applied for many a year. And that's

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Speaker 4: particularly in the situation of speeding, bio security. I think

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Speaker 4: Notice is you can get off them by proving total

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Speaker 4: absence of fault. But it just makes perfect sense. We've

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Speaker 4: got a way that if not an epidemic or shoplifting occurring,

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Speaker 4: and this gives some protection to the public and some

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Speaker 4: incentive to people to perhaps consider what they're doing and

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Speaker 4: stop doing it.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So do you think that, because of the circumstances

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Speaker 3: we find ourselves in, it's totally fine to flip the

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Speaker 4: Well, it's not really flipping it in that sense. It's

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Speaker 4: what's called a strict liability offense. It's they've applied in

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Speaker 4: the law for a considerable period of time, it's simply

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Speaker 4: regulating people's behavior. You have a defense of saying no,

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Speaker 4: defense of saying I took all positive steps to avoid it.

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Speaker 4: And you can think of situations where child puts something

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Speaker 4: to be very difficult for me to be alleged to

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Speaker 4: for that allegation, all right, because I freaked.

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Speaker 3: Out about it, because Steve, I reckon mum's You know,

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Speaker 3: new mums are quite vulnerable to this kind of thing

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Speaker 3: of not of having done it when we haven't. Because

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Speaker 3: first of all, we have the baby brain, so we're

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Speaker 3: likely to forget that we've come in with a bottle

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Speaker 3: we've also got the means by which to transport it,

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Speaker 3: which is the pram. So if I walk in with

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Speaker 3: and get accused of shoplifting, the accusation by itself is

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Speaker 4: Well, one would think you would make an explanation, and that's.

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Speaker 3: The hostiatric mother. Yes, they're going to look at nonsense.

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Speaker 3: You've actually come in here with the PRAM to look it.

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Speaker 4: Then what happens You don't look like somebody be going

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Speaker 4: people don't. They're going to use some sort of discretion

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Speaker 3: Will they not have to have some I mean I

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Speaker 5: But presumably not exactly what.

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Speaker 4: Yes, that crossed my mind. They're going to have video

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Speaker 4: Parliament's going to legislate to say you're in totally get

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Speaker 3: Okay, well listen, thank you, I appreciate your explanation on that, Steve.

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Speaker 3: It's maybe feel whole bunch better. Steve Cullen, criminal lawyer,

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Speaker 3: And look, I tend to think I don't love people

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Speaker 3: being accused of things without the proof. But then the

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Speaker 3: shoplifting is quite bad, isn't it. Heather riffing geez speak English?

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Speaker 3: How old do you think your audience is? What are

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Speaker 3: How old are you? I mean, when was Jimmy Hendrix around?

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Speaker 3: Not to appreciate that music, you would have had to

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Speaker 3: don't know how old are you If you don't know

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Speaker 3: I'm very sad about this news. WOMAD has been canceled

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Speaker 3: for next year now. WOMAD has been running since two

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Speaker 3: disrupted by COVID. I'm not really sure. I suspect even

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Speaker 3: The reason that they do it, they just saying it's

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Speaker 3: we're seeing increasingly right We're seeing Auckland is really missing

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Speaker 3: But also just for the sake of Tartanaki, I want

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Speaker 1: Quarter past four it's the Heather Topsy Alan Drive Full

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Speaker 3: By the way, I am going to update you, but

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Speaker 3: police have held a press conference today about the Tom

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Speaker 3: One of the I mean, this is a very minor

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Speaker 3: just so benign for something so grim, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: Darcy Watergravers with us Helo does hello here. They've got

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Speaker 6: Yeah, this is fantastic. It's been named World Cups coming up.

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Speaker 6: Starts at the start of October and their first game

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Speaker 6: then you get to watch the Ferns play brilliant, play

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Speaker 6: right the way through, the White Ferns play right the

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Speaker 6: nearby Lea to who who's also been selected. This will

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Speaker 6: so it's looking good and of course they can't hide

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Speaker 7: Been looking over their shoulder, going oh on.

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Speaker 6: And I remember talking to Leah Back and I want

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Speaker 6: I'm sure if I'm married at that stage. But I

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Speaker 7: About thinly veiled rage.

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Speaker 6: Leo was not happy at all.

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Speaker 6: I said, look, can we come on here and talk

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Speaker 3: That'd be Heather, wasn't Lewisa wall netball and rugby? Yes, yes,

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Speaker 3: A little bit of mixed news on ki we Saver today.

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Speaker 2: Off the cards.

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Speaker 5: It's just not going to happen. So the offer he's

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Speaker 5: put on the table is not viable. And now we're

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Speaker 5: seeing the possibility he's taunting nater nations with this idea

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Speaker 5: of sending drones and pushing that boundary once again. So

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Speaker 5: what is the response going to be. I mean, we

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Speaker 5: send the US President out at dinner tonight in Washington, DC,

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Speaker 5: essentially trying to say he's making Washington DC streets save

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Speaker 5: enough to go and eat dinner there. I've been there

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Speaker 5: in months gone by, and certainly it's been safe to

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Speaker 5: go out and eat dinner. There's been no idea that

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Speaker 5: you can't go into a restaurant. There's been no idea

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Speaker 5: you can't go and have a meal with friends. But

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Speaker 5: the US President is certainly trying to make his stance

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Speaker 5: that he is making Americans safer. But his idea of

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Speaker 5: solving the Russian ukrank conflict certainly seems well a long

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Speaker 5: way away from what he initially thought.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, Now, did the White House warn Katat or not?

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Speaker 5: Well, you're essentially getting washed in mixed messaging here. I mean,

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Speaker 5: what the White House said earlier on today was that

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Speaker 5: the White House had received intelligence from its military officials

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Speaker 5: that Israel was launching this strike into Katara. What we

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Speaker 5: heard from White House Press sector of Caroline Leavit was

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Speaker 5: that Steve Witcoff, the Middle East end boy, had gone

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Speaker 5: to Cutter and essentially said, hey, look, this attack is

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Speaker 5: in coming Kata came back within a matter of an

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Speaker 5: hour or so and said, well, I actually know what

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Speaker 5: we got was a warning as the strikes were already happening.

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Speaker 5: And Donald Trump later clarified that, essentially saying that yes, look,

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Speaker 5: we tried to inform them. It was a little bit

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Speaker 5: too late, but we did what we could, is essentially

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Speaker 5: what he said. He has added that he will have

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Speaker 5: more to say in the coming day or so about

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Speaker 5: these Israeli strikes inside doa an attack that has been

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Speaker 5: condemned by the United Kingdom, by France, by Arab nations

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Speaker 5: in the Middle East. Australia has raised its concerns. We've

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Speaker 5: heard in the past that the New Zealand Prime Minister

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Speaker 5: has said, essentially that Israeli Prome Minister Benamin Enya, who

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Speaker 5: has lost the plot. Was the words a couple of

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Speaker 5: weeks ago from New Zealand's Prime minister. So look, there

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Speaker 5: are certainly many eyes watching this and watching the Israeli attack.

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Speaker 5: And Donald Trump says he is not happy by that.

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Speaker 5: We heard that in the SoundBite you played before. He

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Speaker 5: is not pleased with the way that this has gone

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Speaker 5: over the course of the last twenty four hours. But

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Speaker 5: again what you're dealing with is with this international conflict

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Speaker 5: on which with this US president is an idea of

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Speaker 5: watch this space. But it is a matter of how

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Speaker 5: long can the world continue to watch this space? Because

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Speaker 5: these are conflicts that he has said he could resolve

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Speaker 5: and could resolve quickly, and he hasn't been able to

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Speaker 5: do so yet.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, very good point. Hey, thank you very much, Jonathan.

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Speaker 3: As always, Jonathan Kursley, US correspondence Away from five here

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Speaker 3: the how did the cooalers get chlamydia? Can I actually

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Speaker 3: answer that question for you. I've got a lot of

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Speaker 3: clamita facts for you. Actually, the koala's got chlamydia because

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Speaker 3: the sheep had chlamydia. And when the Australians first came

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Speaker 3: over and invaded as out what was our friends Lydia

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Speaker 3: Thorpe said the other day or colonized as Tacota Ferris

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Speaker 3: would prefer to call it. But when they came over,

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Speaker 3: they brought their sheep, and jeez, the sheep. The sheep

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Speaker 3: gave it to the I'm not even joking, the sheep

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Speaker 3: gave it to the koala. Also the penguins, from I understand,

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Speaker 3: penguins also have a lot of chlamydia, and they get

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Speaker 3: the klymydia in a different way. They get the chlamydia

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Speaker 3: because the birds have the chlamydia and then the birds

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Speaker 3: pope and the pope lands on the penguins and that's

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Speaker 3: how they get the chlamydia. So probably just want to

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Speaker 3: watch just what watches that don't go near the animals,

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Speaker 3: stay away if you possibly can. Hey, there was a

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Speaker 3: bunch of stuff that was found in the by the way.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you're aware of this. I need

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Speaker 3: to update you on this quick. Smart you do realize

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Speaker 3: there's a second campsite, the Tom Phillips campsite that has

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Speaker 3: been been revealed today and photographs and stuff like that.

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Speaker 3: Bunch of stuff there and this is important. So I'm

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Speaker 3: going to run you through this before the end of

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Speaker 3: this hour actually, so you can be aware of everything

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Speaker 3: that's going on in that campsite. It's grim, it's dirty,

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Speaker 3: it's dark, it's small, it's grim. And Lance Budette, police negotiator,

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Speaker 3: former police negotiator, will talk to us. Took us through

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Speaker 3: where the operation is going to go next in terms

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Speaker 3: of tracking down the people who helped Tom do that.

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Speaker 3: After five sixteen away.

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Speaker 1: From five politics with centrics credit, check your customers and

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Speaker 1: get payments certainty.

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Speaker 3: Right, I'll run you through what the cops found at

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Speaker 3: the second Tom Phillips camp shortly right now, thirteen away

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Speaker 3: from five. Barry Sober, Senior Political Correspondence with US High Barry.

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Speaker 7: Good afternoon, Heather.

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Speaker 3: Watch the Tarcouter Ferris midnight eight minute video.

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Speaker 7: Oh I did watch it. It was rather painful and

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Speaker 7: rather infuriating, I might say, Heather, But you've got to

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Speaker 7: remember that during his maiden speech, this guy after the

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Speaker 7: last election, he said that there was he wasn't there

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Speaker 7: to service the needs of the New Zealand House of Representatives.

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Speaker 7: He was there to contest the needs. So you know,

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Speaker 7: I mean, he's he's always been radical. Was not out

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Speaker 7: about that. And you remember he was accused of lying

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Speaker 7: in the house, and indeed he did lie in the

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Speaker 7: house and he was asked to formally apologize for that.

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Speaker 7: So Ferrett Ferris in his sorry that was a fraudient slip.

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Speaker 7: Ferris and his late night ran on Instagram from as

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Speaker 7: you said, Heather, a darkened room wearing a hoodie. Had

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Speaker 7: to go Willie Jackson for taking issue with him over

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Speaker 7: is horror different ethnicities campaigning for Labor than a Mildy seat.

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Speaker 9: Here he is.

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Speaker 8: I heard Willie Jackson in the news talking about how

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Speaker 8: just unacceptable that was from Targe turn should know better.

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Speaker 8: You know, we care about everyone in the Labor Party.

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Speaker 8: Well guess what, Willy, I don't give a crap who

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Speaker 8: you care about or what you care about in the

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Speaker 8: Malory seats. It's about the Malory people, Milordy only. And

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Speaker 8: here's what that post is doing. It's homogenizing Mildi as

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Speaker 8: a minority.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 8: So they're trying to make us vanish. They're trying to

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Speaker 8: make us disappear into just a small minority in our

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Speaker 8: own country, whilst we fight for the damn seats that

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Speaker 8: are there for us, expressly for us. And they're there

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Speaker 8: for us because the Parker House at the time and

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Speaker 8: currently know that Mildis have unique rights as opposed to

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Speaker 8: everyone else. Make them uncomfortable, funny, it's not our problem

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Speaker 8: to fix.

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Speaker 7: It's this Well, he sounded rather comfortable. I'll say that

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Speaker 7: he sounded very laid back, and it augues really well,

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Speaker 7: doesn't it? For a coalition between Labor and the Moldy Party.

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Speaker 7: I mean, as I've often said, this Maldy party very

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Speaker 7: unlike the one that was originally formed, very unlike it.

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Speaker 7: There are a bunch of protesters and that Instagram rent

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Speaker 7: there I think underscores that.

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Speaker 5: Yep.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Now, what did you make of the police press

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Speaker 3: conference about the second camp?

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Speaker 7: Well, you know the second camp. It's that's where the

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Speaker 7: other children were found. Of course there's about two kilometers

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Speaker 7: away from where the shooting occurred. And you'll be weare

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Speaker 7: because you've listened to it all. The Police Minister and

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Speaker 7: the Police Commissioner have always said how delicate the situation was,

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Speaker 7: and certainly that was the case that was born out

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Speaker 7: by what detective Senior Sergeant Andrew Saunders, he is the

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Speaker 7: head of the operation who released the campsite pect today.

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Speaker 7: What he said, in my mind tells us a lot,

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Speaker 7: a lot. They didn't walk straight into the camp where

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Speaker 7: the children were. Yeah, so there was there was a

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Speaker 7: negotiation that connects with the children and that proceeded and

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Speaker 7: they came out.

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Speaker 2: We believe they've moved here a number of months ago.

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Speaker 2: I can't be specific around timing.

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Speaker 7: See, it just makes you wonder, doesn't it, how those

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Speaker 7: kids were conditioned by Tom Phillips that if the police

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Speaker 7: were clearly worried about walking into that campsite knowing there

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Speaker 7: are only children there, but knowing that there were firearms there,

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Speaker 7: just makes you wonder.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, yeah, I think it was pretty clear

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Speaker 3: that how they were conditioned by their far pretty clear

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Speaker 3: that they would have been taught how to use guns

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Speaker 3: and told. What happened in Parliament.

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Speaker 7: Today, oh well, it was a bit of a laugh

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Speaker 7: because old our old mate Shane Jones was raving about

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Speaker 7: the new geothermal area that they've set aside in the

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Speaker 7: Rota Kawa geo Thermal Reserve near Telper and that would

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Speaker 7: have to be good news, but it seemed to be

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Speaker 7: lost lost on Labour's Energy spokeswoman Megan Woods. You didn't

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Speaker 7: like the way Shane Jones referred to it.

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Speaker 3: The minister referred to us the opposition spokesman, and I

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Speaker 3: know definitions like this are important to that party. Just

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Speaker 3: like to point out on a spokesperson or a spokeswoman.

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Speaker 8: I'm almost almost tempted to require every one of the

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Speaker 8: House to post their pronoun so everyone gets it right.

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Speaker 13: Ronns are like them.

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Speaker 7: But I'm not going to do that.

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to do that because common sense should prevail.

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Speaker 14: New Zealand in some cases will never ever recover from

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Speaker 14: the most destructive energy decision made since the Treaty of

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Speaker 14: White Tonguy, otherwise known as the Oil and gaspan that

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Speaker 14: you signaling juvenile attempt.

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Speaker 7: Yes, and just for your information, and you will remember

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Speaker 7: that Benjamin Doyle he gives his valedictory on September the eighteenth.

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Speaker 13: So what is that to do with it?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: Pronouns all right by them, and you'll.

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Speaker 4: Grasp on them as well.

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Speaker 3: Barry, thanks very much. Barry Sober, senior political correspondent, eight

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Speaker 3: away from five.

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Speaker 2: Putting the tough question to the newspeakers, the mic asking.

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Speaker 12: Breakfast interesting inside into who's leaving school and potentially why.

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Speaker 12: Last year we had thirteen hundred and seventy six fifteen

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Speaker 12: year olds being granted a nearly exemption upsiders. Most of

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Speaker 12: them seem to continue when studying places like politics now

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Speaker 12: any England is the Downfield high school principle.

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Speaker 15: Statistically, if the longer students stays in school, the best

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Speaker 15: outcomes for them. But of course thats are stats and

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Speaker 15: not every student fits that mole. So school has been

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Speaker 15: working really hard on working England politics the Ministry runs

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Speaker 15: a yes GMT program and it's a really good program.

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Speaker 15: Students can spend one or two days a week in

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Speaker 15: a polytech and they can blend it in with a schoolwork.

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Speaker 15: Sometimes they want to go and do that full time

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Speaker 15: and they want to do that before this is sixteen.

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Speaker 15: So in those cases we would seek earlier.

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Speaker 12: Leave exemption back Tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking

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Speaker 12: Breakfast with Rain Drover Newstalk ZIB.

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Speaker 3: Hither it would be good if the police did not

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Speaker 3: hunt down the people who helped Tom Phillips. They were

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Speaker 3: helping to fit the kids. They probably could not persuade

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Speaker 3: him to give up. Well, I don't think I'm as

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Speaker 3: sympathetic as you are. Deal with that later on four

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Speaker 3: Away from five Listen News just out. Dame Nolean Totu

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Speaker 3: New Zealand just put out a statement confirming that she

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Speaker 3: Series against South Africa. Discussions are ongoing between Netball New Zealand,

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Speaker 3: Nolean and the Silver Ferns management team concerning proposed changes.

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Speaker 3: There is another report that says the problem is it

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Speaker 3: is her quote old school approach. Jeez, Honestly, I don't

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Speaker 3: know what to say about this. I love the old

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Speaker 3: school approach personally. Look, I don't have time now as

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Speaker 3: a result of that, to talk you through what was

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Speaker 3: found in the second camp. I'm going to I'm going

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Speaker 3: to this is the second camp. Just to give you

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Speaker 3: a little bit of context here. So the first camp,

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Speaker 3: the one that we saw yesterday, was found two k's

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Speaker 3: from the shooting. The second camp is two hundred meters

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Speaker 3: deeper into the bush. Now one hundred meters doesn't sound

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Speaker 3: to you like a lot, right because because you know

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Speaker 3: with out in urban spaces, it's not a lot. But

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Speaker 3: in bush land, that's a that's a like that's quite

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Speaker 3: quite a distance, do you know what I mean? Because

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Speaker 3: you know you're not you can't see one to the

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Speaker 3: other stents and stuff like that. Anyway, I'll run you

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Speaker 3: through all of the details everything that was found. They

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Speaker 3: were going to talk to Lance Boudette next about how

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Speaker 3: the items in that camp are going to be used

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Speaker 3: to track down the people who help Tom Phillips. And

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Speaker 3: then also let's deal with the key we save with

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Speaker 1: The only drive show you can try to ask the questions,

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Speaker 1: get the answers, find and give the analysis. Here the

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Speaker 1: duplicy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand and the power

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Speaker 1: of satellite mobile news dogs.

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Speaker 3: B afternoon police have discovered a second campsite in the

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Speaker 3: bush where Tom Phillips and his kids are thought to

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Speaker 3: have been hiding most recently. This camp site is two

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Speaker 3: hundred meters away from the one that was discovered yesterday.

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Speaker 3: Detective Senior Sergeant Andrew Saunders says they will use the

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Speaker 3: gear at that site to track down whoever it was

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Speaker 3: who was helping Phillips.

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Speaker 2: Given what's occurred in terms of.

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Speaker 16: The attempted murder of a police officer, we think it's

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Speaker 16: absolutely important that we continue to look for those people

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Speaker 16: that have been supporting Tom Phillips and help them account

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Speaker 16: of it.

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Speaker 3: Lance Petet is a former police negotiator and investigator and

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Speaker 3: with us, Hey Lance, Hi, So are they basically going

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Speaker 3: to look at the gear that's at the campsite and

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Speaker 3: then track the origins in order to try and find

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Speaker 3: these people.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 17: So everything that sits that both locations now is evidence,

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Speaker 17: every piece of little item with no matter what it is,

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Speaker 17: and it gets photographed and sit you measured. They might

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Speaker 17: be doing some mapping with three D mapping cameras, and

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Speaker 17: then it's removed and analyzed and it's fingerprinted. I say, yeah,

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Speaker 17: this finger print, it's photographed. It's everything that they can

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Speaker 17: do to find out DNA testing on every item, to

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Speaker 17: track down who may have been involved.

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Speaker 3: They say that it's quite obvious to them that there

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Speaker 3: was recent help. Now how would they know that? Would

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Speaker 3: it potentially be things like perishable food there?

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Speaker 17: Yeah, there'll there'll be something there that that if they're

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Speaker 17: coming out and saying it, which is a bit unusual,

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Speaker 17: I think, just please normally keep this stuff close to

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Speaker 17: their chest. And it might be because you know, Tom's

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Speaker 17: dead and can't face consequences, but there'll still be other

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Speaker 17: people to face consequences, so there'll be something obvious for

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Speaker 17: them to come out and say that.

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Speaker 3: Is there anything that you noticed from the photographs?

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Speaker 17: Well, my first thought looking at that one photograph that

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Speaker 17: everybody else has seen, is it looks like they've been

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Speaker 17: there for.

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Speaker 9: A little while.

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Speaker 18: How hard you know?

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Speaker 17: I we'll look at months, you know, two, three, four,

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Speaker 17: five months, So that's what like to me, they've been

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Speaker 17: there for a while, just the way that the bush

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Speaker 17: of grunt has grown over the three wheels, the few

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Speaker 17: little things ever thought, well, that looks looks quite substantial.

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Speaker 3: Why would you have a camp, I mean, this is

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Speaker 3: a puzzling thing. Why would you have one camp, like

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Speaker 3: a little camp within two hundred meters of a bigger camp.

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Speaker 17: Oh that's a yeah, to escape too.

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Speaker 3: Ah, okay, and that's enough escape.

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Speaker 17: No, But indeed this bush it probably is. But it

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Speaker 17: can also you know, it could be a place to

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Speaker 17: what they called a place of sanctuary. Somebody does come,

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Speaker 17: they just scatter and they all meet back and they're

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Speaker 17: having too that that would be my thoughts on that.

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Speaker 17: But bearing in mind they young kids, and so you

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Speaker 17: can't have it too far away from other because they've

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Speaker 17: got to be able to find it.

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Speaker 8: That would be my.

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Speaker 19: Thought on that.

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Speaker 3: Is it possible that the I mean, as far as

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Speaker 3: we understand, the family have not yet been able to

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Speaker 3: see the children. This is the grandparents and the mother

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Speaker 3: and so on. Is it possible that they are being

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Speaker 3: kept away from the children at the moment because they

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Speaker 3: themselves may be suspects in terms of help?

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Speaker 13: Well?

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Speaker 17: Everyone, every yeah, good point here. That's sorry to interrupt you. Yeah,

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Speaker 17: it's everyone to suspect. Everyone that's been in the town,

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Speaker 17: everyone that's been near them, all associates.

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Speaker 9: So they don't call them.

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Speaker 17: Suspects, they call them persons of interest.

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Speaker 9: And so you do have to treat everybody.

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Speaker 17: You can't take it on face, are you You know

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Speaker 17: I've spoken with both parents. My gut feeling if you

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Speaker 17: can go with a gut, which is which you don't

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Speaker 17: go with of all of some policing. Never go with

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Speaker 17: your gut that they aren't involved. And it was just

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Speaker 17: something that the father said and it was confidential that

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Speaker 17: made me believe that he's not involved in any way.

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Speaker 19: But in saying that.

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Speaker 17: We've all been doing before.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, fair enough. Hey, Lance, really appreciate your expertise. Thanks Lance,

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Speaker 3: but that former police negotiator and investigator. I'll run you

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Speaker 3: through what you can see in the photographs in a minute.

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Speaker 3: It's eleven past.

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Speaker 2: Five, ever, do for ce Ellen.

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Speaker 3: The number of people contributing to Kiwi Saver has declined

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Speaker 3: for the first time this year. Thirty percent of working

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Speaker 3: age key We Saver members are now not putting money

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Speaker 3: in now. That was only twenty percent fifteen years ago.

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Speaker 3: Samantha Barriss is the chief executive of the Financial Markets Authority. Hey, Samantha,

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Speaker 3: Hi Heather. That seems to me like that would be

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Speaker 3: directly linked to the cost of living problem that we

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Speaker 3: have at the moment. Do you think it is.

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Speaker 20: It's certainly a very strong contributing factor. There are three

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Speaker 20: reasons why people aren't contributing even though they are of

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Speaker 20: working age. The first is one that's enduring, which is

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Speaker 20: those who take time out for parenting duties to be

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Speaker 20: with their children. But the other two are related to

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Speaker 20: the economic times. The first is they're unemployed, which increases

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Speaker 20: in difficult economic times, and the second is saving suspensions

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Speaker 20: when kiwis who are under in difficult circumstances are needing

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Speaker 20: to make choices between do they contribute to keysaver? Do

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Speaker 20: they put food on the table, do they pay their mortgage?

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Speaker 20: Do they get the car fixed? So, though you know

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Speaker 20: other other reasons so directly related to the difficult economic times.

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Speaker 3: Once people opt out, though, do they do they even

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Speaker 3: necessarily come back in.

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Speaker 20: The challenge And this is something that the KII Saver

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Speaker 20: providers need to really lean into, but we all need

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Speaker 20: to lean into it as well. Is to go back

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Speaker 20: to those who have suspended their contributions on a regular

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Speaker 20: basis and encourage them, encourage them to increase the contributions

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Speaker 20: that they are or to kind of go back in

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Speaker 20: and start contributing again. And that is that that's a

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Speaker 20: very important flex point. So yes, Kiwi savor has been

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Speaker 20: built to withstand the longer term ups and downs in

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Speaker 20: the economic cycle. The critical point is that you're coming

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Speaker 20: out of a down cycle to be communicating really regularly

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Speaker 20: with your members to encourage them to come back into

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Speaker 20: it again.

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Speaker 3: Samantha, thank you so much, Samantha Barris, Chief Executive of

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Speaker 3: the FMA. Here the do for c Ellen here, the

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Speaker 3: nible New zeal has just blown it by standing Toto down.

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Speaker 3: She makes her players accountable, which is exactly what netball needs.

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Speaker 3: We're going to speak to the chair of Netball New

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Speaker 3: Zealand very soon, so stand by for that just quickly.

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Speaker 3: On the second campsite, so what you can see in

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Speaker 3: the photographs is the kitchen area. In the kitchen area

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Speaker 3: there's a camping stove, a gas cylinder. They both sit

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Speaker 3: under a bench that's made from large black carried cases.

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Speaker 3: On their side bottles of iced coffee and a jack

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Speaker 3: Daniel's box with a silver mug are lying around. Then

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Speaker 3: around the area there are rolls of chicken wire, sheets

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Speaker 3: of metal, might a tend buckets, jars filled with screws

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Speaker 3: and nails, scattered bits of plastic and stuff. The frame

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Speaker 3: of the kitchen area is made with straight branches that

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Speaker 3: have been one is standing up bright ones lying horizontally

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Speaker 3: on the top, tied together with rope. Then you've got

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Speaker 3: a black tarp over the top. Some of the chicken

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Speaker 3: wire has also been used as part of the roof.

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Speaker 3: The roof is really cleverly camoulaged because it's got dense

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Speaker 3: trees all around it, basically making it invisible. You can

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Speaker 3: see a distance shot from the hut that there is

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Speaker 3: more to it than just the kitchen area. It goes

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Speaker 3: in an L, so the kitchen area is the bottom

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Speaker 3: of the L and then the long bit of the L.

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Speaker 3: That's another part of the living area altogether, which is

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Speaker 3: it's roofed with like a green army kind of canvassy

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Speaker 3: type vibe. Do you know what I mean? No photographs

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Speaker 3: from inside that that would suggest to me it's the

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Speaker 3: sleeping quarters. They haven't released anything of what you're seeing

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Speaker 3: in their quarter past five. By the way, just on

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Speaker 3: the Takuter Ferris eight minute middle of the night bizarre video,

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Speaker 3: Willie Jackson of the Labor Party is going to be

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Speaker 3: with us after half past five. Right now, it's eighteen

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Speaker 3: past five.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 3: Silver Fern's coach, Nolane Toto has been stood down from

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Speaker 3: her job for the upcoming Tiny Jamison series against South Africa.

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Speaker 3: Has just come through in the last half hour. Matt

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Speaker 3: Winnare Matt Winner Ray is Netball New Zealand's chair and

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Speaker 3: is with us.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Matt, hi here, how are you well?

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Speaker 3: Thanks mate? Now, you guys have said that you are

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Speaker 3: unable to resolve some issues in time for the series.

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Speaker 3: What were these issues?

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Speaker 19: Yeah, so we just have been talking with the management

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Speaker 19: team and Dame nlv's for a little while about some

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Speaker 19: issues in the high performance program and environment. We're looking

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Speaker 19: to resolve those to make that as good as it

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Speaker 19: can be. We haven't been able to. We weren't able

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Speaker 19: to get there before the Tiny Jamerson series, which is

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Speaker 19: why we've put on these interim measures. And we've got

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Speaker 19: a bit and Leanna Lioda and there as assistant coach

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Speaker 19: or just for the next for the next series. Against

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Speaker 19: South Africa.

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Speaker 3: Right, there are reports that it is because of a

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Speaker 3: player boycott. Is that correct? No, no player boycott.

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Speaker 20: No.

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Speaker 3: Also reports that players were threatening to leave if she

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Speaker 3: stayed on.

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Speaker 19: Look, there's no player boycott. And these discussions, as we've said,

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Speaker 19: have been between us and Nolean, Dan Nolean and the

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Speaker 19: Silver Firn's management team. So that's where the discussions are.

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Speaker 3: Are you saying you can't tell us if some players

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Speaker 3: were threatening to leave?

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Speaker 19: I can't tell you. I can't tell you anything about

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Speaker 19: those discussions because the discussions are between us and Dy

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Speaker 19: Knowles and the Salt two's management team.

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Speaker 3: Okay, is there some are some are saying that there's

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Speaker 3: a problem with her old school approach? Is that the

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Speaker 3: vibe that you're getting.

871
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 19: Look, I can't comment on you what people are speculating about,

872
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 19: but what I can tell you is we have had

873
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 19: you know, we've had some issues in there. We'd like

874
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:22,800
Speaker 19: to solve them, and that's what we're going to continue

875
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 19: to work to do. I think we can we can

876
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 19: do that. We can get a really good Silver Fins

877
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 19: team out on board.

878
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 3: Right, So does both sides Is it that both sides

879
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:34,320
Speaker 3: need to give here to resolve these issues or just

880
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:34,879
Speaker 3: one side.

881
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 19: We're just going to dive into the into the discussions again.

882
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:41,359
Speaker 19: You understand the prosy law. I can't. I can't talk

883
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 19: about those discussions while we're having them.

884
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 21: How long do you think it might take you to

885
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:49,280
Speaker 21: resolve this, Well, we weren't able to get there before

886
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 21: we you know, we had hoped we could get there

887
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 21: before tiny Jamison.

888
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 19: We weren't able to do that, so it takes a

889
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 19: little bit longer. I don't I don't know exactly how

890
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:57,320
Speaker 19: long that'll be.

891
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 3: Matt. The fact that you were referring to privacy issue

892
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 3: suggest to me this is an employment dispute and the

893
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 3: standing down is the end of her time with you.

894
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 3: Is that correct or not? Am I reading that right?

895
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 5: No?

896
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 19: No, no, Where these discussions are ongoing. Privacy issues are

897
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 19: really because you just can't talk about other people's The

898
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 19: situation was without other people's agreement, So you know that's

899
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 19: what that's what we're doing. We're talking about how we

900
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 19: can resolve from issues in the environment, and we're hopeful

901
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 19: that we can reach a resolution on those and we'll

902
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 19: keep working towards that.

903
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 3: Mate. I feel like after everything you guys have been

904
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:34,839
Speaker 3: through as Netborren New Zealm's bloody last thing you need.

905
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 19: We've had some we've had some challenges this year, but

906
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,359
Speaker 19: we've got you know, we've got a fantastic sport. We've

907
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 19: got a massive number of participants. We've got the biggest

908
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:49,720
Speaker 19: secondary school sport. We've got you know, a really strong

909
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 19: community sport. We've just got open champs starting starting this week.

910
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 19: We've had some North Island secondary schools without it out

911
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 19: at Mount Wellington a few weeks ago. Fantastic, fantastic buy

912
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 19: out there. So you know, we're the community games and

913
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:08,720
Speaker 19: great heart. We're pleased to have our TV broadcasting afforded

914
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 19: so we can get out two more viewers and we're

915
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:13,760
Speaker 19: excited about getting into this international campaign.

916
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 3: Good stuff, good stuff, and congrats. By the way, I

917
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 3: haven't the chance to say that you congrats on the

918
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 3: TV and ZID deal. That's Matt Winery, the board chair

919
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 3: of Netball New Zealand right. Let's deal with the accomplices

920
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 3: of Tom Phillips next five to twenty one hard questions.

921
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 1: Strong opinion here the duplicy Ellen drive with one New

922
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 1: Zealand hand of power of satellite mobile news talk, said.

923
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 3: Be Willie Jackson on tacuter feris in about ten minutes time.

924
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 3: It's five twenty four. Now, the people who helped Tom

925
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:43,359
Speaker 3: Phillips should absolutely be packing themselves because the cops are

926
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 3: making it pretty clear they're coming after them, and in

927
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 3: a big way. Cops have said today it is clear

928
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:51,240
Speaker 3: that Tom Phillips had help recently, judging by the stuff

929
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 3: that's lying around in the second camp. And what police

930
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 3: are planning to do is to trace where that stuff

931
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 3: came from. So, if it's not stolen, where did it

932
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 3: come from, who gave it to Tom Phillips. If it's bought,

933
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 3: who bought it for Tom Phillips, who were the guns

934
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:08,760
Speaker 3: registered to. Now this is incredibly frustrating to talk about

935
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 3: because as of Monday, there is a suppression order in

936
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:13,879
Speaker 3: the courts, which means the full picture here is not out.

937
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:16,800
Speaker 3: But even without that full picture, I think that what

938
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 3: we already know is serious enough for his accomplices to

939
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,479
Speaker 3: understand that they are in big trouble if they get caught.

940
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:25,800
Speaker 3: One man is dead, a police officer almost died, and

941
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 3: those children were put in harm's way basically every single

942
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 3: day that they were in the bush. At any time

943
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 3: they might have come across a police officer. Now imagine

944
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 3: how much more dangerous it would have been if it

945
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 3: wasn't just one child, but all of them who were

946
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 3: with him when he was confronted by a police officer

947
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 3: and pulled a weapon on that officer and kicked off

948
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 3: a gunfight. He took a child to rob a bank,

949
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 3: He took a child to burglar dairy, He took a

950
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 3: child to burgle pgg Rison. He gave his daughter a

951
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 3: gun she pointed at someone during the bank robbery, at

952
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 3: any one of those moments, who knows if they come

953
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 3: across a cop he pulled his gun and kicked off

954
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 3: a gunfight. B Blisses cannot say that they didn't know.

955
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:05,839
Speaker 3: This has been going on for years. If they were

956
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 3: helping him as recently as police believe, then they knew,

957
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 3: and they deserve to be dragged before the courts for it.

958
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:16,720
Speaker 2: Ever due for see Ellen, now we've got to talk.

959
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 3: About go on then go on? Then, So the Prime

960
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 3: minister's getting in trouble for how much he blew on

961
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 3: chopper rides for him in Albanesi.

962
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 22: Have you seen this?

963
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:30,359
Speaker 3: Okay, so we thought it was slightly over twenty thousand dollars.

964
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 3: The oia has come back, and in fact, when he

965
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 3: I don't know if you're aware of this, you might

966
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 3: not have seen this because it wasn't widely shared. But

967
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 3: Christopher Luxen sprang for a couple of helicopters when Alberizi

968
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 3: was in town to fly him and Alberanzi to the

969
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 3: top of a mountain in Queenstown so that they could

970
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 3: have a pavlova. And the cost of those two choppers

971
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:50,760
Speaker 3: was forty four thousand dollars. And people are not pleased

972
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 3: with us. Now, I don't have a problem. I actually

973
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 3: don't have a problem with spends like that, because I

974
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 3: think if you're if you've got the world leader over

975
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 3: and you're trying to show off your country, you got

976
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 3: to spend a bit of dollars. But the problem with

977
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 3: it is that it just doesn't it just feel a

978
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 3: wee bit try hard, Like it feels like the kind

979
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:07,359
Speaker 3: of thing that the guy does to get the girl,

980
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:09,800
Speaker 3: you know, like a bit nath flies her to the

981
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 3: top of the mountain in Queen's Down and then gets

982
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 3: out of random pavlov who eats a pavlova in the snow. Anyway,

983
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 3: you know what I mean on top of a mountain.

984
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 3: Who thought that's a good idea? Anyway, the problem it

985
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 3: does compound slightly because Albanese obviously didn't love it, and

986
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:27,439
Speaker 3: so he didn't like like the girl. It was like, oh, lame,

987
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 3: I'm not posting pictures of that date. So Albanize didn't

988
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 3: post any pictures of the date and the only person

989
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 3: who posted pictures of the date was Chris Luxen, so

990
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 3: kind of didn't get its bang for the buck. Now

991
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 3: what I would have done if I was Chris Luckson

992
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 3: has got a third chopper and put some media in it,

993
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 3: so at least the media up there to film the

994
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 3: evidence of the debate of the date and then broadcast it.

995
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 3: But unfortunately, you know, it was kind of half done anyway,

996
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:52,800
Speaker 3: So I don't know. Problem with a spend just feels

997
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 3: a bit nath so it doesn't it. News is next.

998
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 2: Digging deeper into the day's headlines.

999
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 1: It's Heather Duper Cllen Drive with one New Zealand coverage

1000
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 1: like no one else news talks.

1001
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 2: They'd be.

1002
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 3: Hudd All's standing by might have a chat to the

1003
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 3: tourism in the start after six o'clock about the news

1004
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 3: that jet Star's launching a bunch of flights in New Zealand.

1005
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 3: Bunch of more flights in New Zealand. Heather, if you

1006
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 3: can hire two choppers from Queenstown and Milford right now

1007
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 3: for less than twelve thousand dollars, Do we have a

1008
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 3: thirty thousand dollar Pavlova hohe can explain it. I don't

1009
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:38,839
Speaker 3: really know. Right it's twenty five away from six now.

1010
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,879
Speaker 3: Taku de Ferris has doubled down on his anti immigrant post.

1011
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 3: He's posted an eight minute video ranted Midnight where he

1012
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:47,879
Speaker 3: says he doesn't give a crap about what Willie Jackson thinks.

1013
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 3: Marty seats it for Mary only to campaign and basically

1014
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 3: he's not sorry. Willie Jackson is head of the Labor

1015
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 3: Marty Caucus. Hi, Willie, you kyodakyota that all right? Have

1016
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 3: you spoken to the Mary party about this post.

1017
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 23: I haven't spoken to them, but Chippy has. Chippy gave

1018
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 23: them a call and voiced his displeasure, and they've apologized

1019
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 23: and apparently apologized the game to the public. So you know,

1020
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 23: we're pleased about that, but I'm not sure what Doc's doing.

1021
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 23: You know that we haven't heard from him.

1022
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 3: We'll take a punt. What do you reckon he's doing.

1023
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:28,319
Speaker 23: He's probably doubled down and doesn't want to resolve from

1024
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 23: what he said, which is, you know, I think it's

1025
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 23: really disappointing. I am you know, of course what was

1026
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 23: very disappointing result in Tarmachy, But I wanted to say,

1027
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 23: and I'll say on your show because you got to

1028
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 23: you got a big following.

1029
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:43,320
Speaker 4: You know, we were.

1030
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 23: Humbled by the support by from the different ethnic groups Indians, Pacific,

1031
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:53,320
Speaker 23: so you know, it's it's great part our people, you know,

1032
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:56,360
Speaker 23: African people. I think Doc called them black people or whatever,

1033
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 23: but you know, I think it's great when they all

1034
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 23: come on, they come on to take over the MALDI. See,

1035
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 23: they come on as fellow colleagues and Labor Party members

1036
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 23: just to give us some support. I think that that's

1037
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 23: humbling and I'm never We're never going to say no

1038
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 23: to that because that's what makes up this country and

1039
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 23: the the you know, we reciprocate of've helped in general electorates.

1040
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 23: So I don't you know, I think he's just got

1041
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 23: the wrong end of the stick and it's been quite offensive.

1042
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 3: Really, yeah, what is it to you that is offensive?

1043
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 2: Oh?

1044
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 23: The calling out the belittling of those people. That's what

1045
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 23: I that's what I think is wrong, you know, and

1046
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 23: to say, you know, basically saying you know, you have

1047
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 23: no right to participate. You know, this is just the

1048
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,879
Speaker 23: Maori seat. Yes it's a Maldi seat. But these people

1049
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 23: want to help, and so you know, when you're in

1050
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 23: politics hither you take as much help as possible. And

1051
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 23: those people were all offended. So I've apologized personally to

1052
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:56,799
Speaker 23: a number of them, and I take the opportunity you're

1053
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 23: going to apologize today. But I mean, I'm not the

1054
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 23: one who offended, but you know they'll be a lot

1055
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:04,280
Speaker 23: of them were taken back but shocked.

1056
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 3: Actually, who you mean the people who are helping that's right, yeah, right, yeah,

1057
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:12,760
Speaker 3: fair enough. Now I'd like to know why the Maori

1058
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 3: Party has changed their tune. I mean, up to now,

1059
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 3: they've been pretty unapologetic for some of the pretty wacky

1060
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 3: stuff they've said. But all of a sudden, in the

1061
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 3: last week they've prepared to apologize for this kind of thing.

1062
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:23,360
Speaker 3: Why is that?

1063
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 23: Well, I think you're going to have to ask them.

1064
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 23: I mean, this is the second time we take them

1065
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 23: on their weird and deb and already have been quite

1066
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 23: very apologetic. I mean, I think you've seen her if

1067
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 23: I saw this Heil post from Ded Pecker and I

1068
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 23: thought it was very good about a week ago, and

1069
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 23: then doctor Ferris came out after that and sort of

1070
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 23: made it really you know, this is my theory.

1071
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:50,760
Speaker 3: Really, my theory is that the reason that the Malori

1072
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 3: Party have apologized for like the first time ever is

1073
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 3: because they realize that if they want to get into

1074
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 3: government with you guys are going to have to tone

1075
00:51:58,160 --> 00:51:58,799
Speaker 3: this crap down.

1076
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 23: I mean, I don't think it takes a genius to

1077
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 23: work there out, you know. I mean, that's that's just

1078
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 23: the reality, right, We can't and those I mean, you

1079
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 23: know you've been around a while, you know those are

1080
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:13,800
Speaker 23: the big Those are conversations we've had that I have

1081
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 23: with them, you know. And I know the line that

1082
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:19,400
Speaker 23: you know, you and your mate the Hoskins are running.

1083
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Speaker 23: You know, they're they're out of control, they're racist.

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Speaker 3: Well come on, I mean, did you watch the eight Minutes?

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Speaker 3: Does seem a little out of control and racist?

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Speaker 2: Uh?

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Speaker 23: Well well yeah, but you know, I mean look at

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Speaker 23: the party. I mean I thought Seymour in the most

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Speaker 23: racist campaign in history, the National Party lux and had

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Speaker 23: no problem jumping age. You know Winston. Winston went off

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Speaker 23: as rocket during the campaign. People say things, but they

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Speaker 23: managed to pull things or pull together when it counts.

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Speaker 23: So you know, I'm hoping that party Mary can get

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Speaker 23: it together and get Doc into shape.

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Speaker 3: Yeah all right, hey, thank you very much. Willy appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Willie Jackson, Labor Party. By the way, speaking of the

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Speaker 3: Labour Party, I might be regretting all the praise I

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Speaker 3: heaped on Stewart Nash the other day because he's in

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Speaker 3: big trouble his employer, the recruitment firm Robert Walters. He's

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Speaker 3: put out a statement saying the remarks he made a

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Speaker 3: deep about women and what constitutes a woman. By the way,

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Speaker 3: the remarks are deeply inappropriate, do not reflect our values

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Speaker 3: or the standards of our business. We have initiated a

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Speaker 3: formal review. Will not be commenting further while that process

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Speaker 3: is ongoing. He's also on the board of the Taxpayers Union,

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Speaker 3: and the chairperson, Ruth Richardson says the cruit and crass

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Speaker 3: language has no place around the board table at the

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Speaker 3: Taxpayers Union.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty find your one.

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Speaker 2: Of a gain.

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Speaker 13: On the Huddle of Us.

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Speaker 3: This evening we have Jack Tame, host of Q and

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Speaker 3: A Saturday Mornings on z BE, as well and Tim

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Speaker 3: Wilson of the Maximum Institute. Hello, are you too.

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Speaker 5: Right? Jack?

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00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 3: Did you watch the Takuta Ferris video?

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Speaker 5: No?

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00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 9: No, I didn't. I saw the posts. Well I don't.

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Speaker 3: Okay, stop stop talking, stop talking.

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Speaker 19: Have you watched it?

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Speaker 2: Tim?

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Speaker 18: Yeah, I watched. I watched enough of it to win.

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Speaker 18: YEA is number one? The hoodie, the gray sort of monochrome.

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Speaker 2: It's all very.

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Speaker 3: Like, did it give you? I've hot boxed my lounge

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Speaker 3: and am now vibing vibes.

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Speaker 18: When you say hot box, do you translate place?

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Speaker 3: I just smoked a bunch of cones and I think,

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Speaker 3: and I think this sounds intellectual, but it really doesn't.

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Speaker 18: No, I didn't look. Maybe I didn't get enough of

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Speaker 18: it to to paint that picture.

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Speaker 19: I thought.

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Speaker 18: When when he when he said, he said, you know,

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Speaker 18: these these these other ethnicities helping remove a mari you

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Speaker 18: know what, kicker Mary out? It's like it isn't.

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Speaker 3: They're just trying to They're just trying to help kick

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Speaker 3: one Marty out to replace him with another Mary, So

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Speaker 3: it's not that bad. I would have thought, Jack, you

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Speaker 3: need to go watch this video.

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Speaker 2: It's you do the hot box test.

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Speaker 9: Come on eight minutes, mate.

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Speaker 3: You've got eight minutes when you're trying to get the

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Speaker 3: baby to sleep and you know that the line in

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Speaker 3: the crib and you're.

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Speaker 18: With one hand and you're watch the video.

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Speaker 3: You're doing that thing where you're sitting them out to

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Speaker 3: make sure that they are a sleepy. To chuck your

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Speaker 3: headphones and have a watch of Takoota. It's very dark

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Speaker 3: and it's not going to shine much of our eyes.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I don't know. I mean I think you hit

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00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:12,840
Speaker 9: the nail on the head. This is just going to

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00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 9: be I think like actually one of it's not the

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00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 9: defining issue for the left block heading into next year.

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00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 9: There's a lot of fuss over later tax teams. I

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00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:26,799
Speaker 9: actually think getting to some sort of memorandum of understanding

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Speaker 9: with TIPPARTI Maori about how they're going to approach this

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Speaker 9: election try and keep you know, those kind of soft

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00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 9: labor national voters on site. I think it's going to

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Speaker 9: be a monumental challenge and actually, nothing I've really seen

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Speaker 9: from someone's to party Marty's in maybe maybe that apology

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Speaker 9: from Divinardi Wpaka and I would be white tea last

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Speaker 9: week we constitute this. But I've seen very little from

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Speaker 9: to Party Mahori that shows that they're interested in kind

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Speaker 9: of toning things down.

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Speaker 3: They I see, I disagree with you because I reckon

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Speaker 3: the two apologies in the space of two what like

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Speaker 3: a week is a very clear indication that they're prepared

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Speaker 3: to turn down because Jack, they've never apologized for anything.

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Speaker 9: And what about the eight minute video and rescept.

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Speaker 3: But he's gone off the he's gone off the reservation.

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Speaker 2: Isn't he like.

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Speaker 5: It down?

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Speaker 20: Is this?

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Speaker 18: Is this an internal issue where the two total leaders

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00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 18: are trying to tone it down, but they haven't actually

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Speaker 18: calmed it with the rank and file.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think yes, But I think they may have

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Speaker 3: commed it with the rank and file. But the rank

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00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:25,400
Speaker 3: and file is very used to being a radical activist

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00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 3: and giving you the finger, and so they might be

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Speaker 3: giving the.

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Speaker 9: True Can I offer a theory and that is that

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00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 9: that maybe if all of that is true, and it's

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Speaker 9: the biggest that maybe to Party Maldi's co leaders are

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Speaker 9: more interested in being in government than the people. A

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00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 9: little further down down the list rank in that maybe

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Speaker 9: they see themselves as potentially been cabinet ministers, whereas someone

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00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:50,840
Speaker 9: like Harket the Feris is going to go, you know what,

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Speaker 9: I'm never going to be in cabinet, certainly not anytime soon.

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Speaker 9: I'm not going to be a minister. So I'm going

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Speaker 9: to do what's working for us so far. I'm going

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Speaker 9: to I'm going to throw a bit of read me

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Speaker 9: to my supporters and say what I want to say.

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Speaker 9: Whatever time in the morning.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you might be right there. All right, guys,

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Speaker 3: will take a break, come back to you very shortly.

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Speaker 3: Huddle sixteen away from six.

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Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the global

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Speaker 1: leader and Luxury real Estate.

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Speaker 3: All right, you're back with the huddle, Tim Wilson and

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Speaker 3: Jack Tame. Tim, are you happy to see Tom Phillips

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Speaker 3: as accomplice's tracked down and charged.

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Speaker 18: Absolutely, they're complicit with the kidnapping, which and particularly this

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00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 18: crime against against the kids. So you participated in a crime,

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Speaker 18: you've got to face the full effect of the law.

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Speaker 18: That seems very straightforward and interesting. Your conversation with Glance

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Speaker 18: Berdett the police seem quite confident that that they have

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Speaker 18: a strong evidential base for pursuing these people, so I'd

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Speaker 18: be worried.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Jack. One of the arguments has been made to

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Speaker 3: me on the text machine is that these people were

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Speaker 3: simply trying to keep the kids fed because they would

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Speaker 3: never have been able to talk him out of coming

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Speaker 3: out of the bush.

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Speaker 9: What do you think, Yeah, I don't think that the

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Speaker 9: old Master as far as I'm concerned, I mean, like considers,

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Speaker 9: the police seem pretty confident. They seem very sure actually

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Speaker 9: that he's been receiving assistance, and you know, I think,

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Speaker 9: you know, I think they should face the full extent

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Speaker 9: of for whatever charges they deserve. You know, I think

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Speaker 9: as sinces have been complicit, and look, there might have

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Speaker 9: been other options available that they could have gone to

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Speaker 9: police if they were really concerned about the children being

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Speaker 9: feed or something like that, that there were other options

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Speaker 9: to pursue. I'm not saying it wasn't a complex situation,

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Speaker 9: but as far as I'm concerned, all of those who

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Speaker 9: had assisted and should be brought to justice.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Now, Tim, how do you feel about Christopher Luxan

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Speaker 3: spending forty four thousand dollars on his Pavlova on the

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Speaker 3: Mountain date with Alban easy.

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Speaker 22: Well, I thought, if you go for a trip in

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Speaker 22: a chopper double Shoppers with your rich big brother to

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Speaker 22: a food that he claims to have invented anyway, then

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Speaker 22: he's got to pay.

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Speaker 18: This is just this is not fair, Am I right?

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Speaker 8: Am I right?

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Speaker 3: No, that's ridiculous because he's come to your house. So

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Speaker 3: if he's come to your house, you're obviously like you're

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Speaker 3: laying it on, right.

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Speaker 18: I think your sense of we paid what was it,

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00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:12,920
Speaker 18: fifty almost fifty four grand for a couple of shoppers

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Speaker 18: that there was no there was no bump from us.

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Speaker 18: You know, there's no social media, they weren't followed by

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Speaker 18: the media. So for all of that sort of budget,

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Speaker 18: you need to see a benefit for that spend, and

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Speaker 18: we're not seeing that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I reckon, I reconject. My feeling is they should

1248
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Speaker 3: have if they were going to go like semi bigs,

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Speaker 3: they should have gone completely big and just taken media

1250
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Speaker 3: up and stuff and get absolute bangs for buck. What

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Speaker 3: do you think?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, well, I mean this is this is what I

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00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:41,560
Speaker 9: don't understand. I mean, first of all, this government sells

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00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:45,840
Speaker 9: themselves on being kind of you know, studious minders of

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Speaker 9: the public finances. We are facing extremely constrained economic conditions,

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Speaker 9: So forty four thousand dollars for a couple of helicopters

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Speaker 9: for some pictures that only really ended up on the

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Speaker 9: Prime minister's social media feed. I'm not saying that Albani

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Speaker 9: he should be guaranteeing that he's going to make Instagram

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Speaker 9: posts or anything like that, but from what I understand,

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Speaker 9: there was no real coordination with the Australian media. So

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Speaker 9: what is the point of this entire thing. If these

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Speaker 9: pecks are only going to be going out to Christopher

1264
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Speaker 9: Luxen's Instagram followers and the domestic audience in New Zealand,

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Speaker 9: what is the point of sending forty four thousand dollars

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Speaker 9: for a pretty cheesy little photo of I don't think

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Speaker 9: it represents good VENI and I think it's kind of

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01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:27,120
Speaker 9: anathema to the government's self reported values.

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Speaker 3: Till I heard you draw your breath and to say something.

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Speaker 18: I'm just trying to I'm just trying to figure out

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Speaker 18: was it. I thought it was twenty seven k per chopper,

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Speaker 18: so twenty seven times too.

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Speaker 9: No, No, I think we.

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Speaker 3: Originally thought it was twenty seven thousand dollars. Now we

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Speaker 3: found forty four thousand dollars.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't make any sense.

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Speaker 3: Because the chopper, somebody says to me, should only be

1278
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Speaker 3: about twelve thousand dollars in total, which means the pavlov

1279
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Speaker 3: was thirty thousand dollars. And that doesn't make any sense.

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Speaker 2: Does it.

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Speaker 9: It's not a world that I really.

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Speaker 3: Chopper ride cost you, Jack exactly.

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Speaker 4: Hey, speaking that you can go.

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Speaker 18: You can go in New York for three and a shopper,

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Speaker 18: So there you go. Yeah, but you don't get a

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Speaker 18: pavlover afterwards, you know from your.

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Speaker 3: High flying life. Okay, I've got one for you guys. Okay, Jack,

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Speaker 3: would you have you First of all, have you seen

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Speaker 3: how much the new iPhone costs?

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Speaker 9: I've seen how much the new base model costs, even

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Speaker 9: ten hundred dollars.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, at the top of the range is four and

1293
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:26,480
Speaker 3: a half thousand New Zealand dollars. What would you pay

1294
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:27,680
Speaker 3: that much for a cell phone?

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01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:28,960
Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 5: Is that better?

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Speaker 9: Or I suppose like it's eleven? It's eleven, Christopher.

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Speaker 18: Lux and Jack, Jack. It takes you up in the

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Speaker 18: air and then it bakes you. It bakes you a

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Speaker 18: pavlover as well, and then it's Anthony Alban Easy.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, absolutely not, although I would say that like I'm

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Speaker 9: currently on a phone that's I think six years old,

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Speaker 9: and if I think about the amount of time I've

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Speaker 9: spent on the phone relative to what I paid for,

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Speaker 9: and it wasn't the top of the line model or

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Speaker 9: anything like that, I do think that you probably get

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Speaker 9: pretty good value. I mean, no, it's still nine.

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Speaker 3: Hundred dollars a year for a phone. I wouldn't pay

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Speaker 3: that nine hundred dollars a year for a phone.

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Speaker 18: For four and a half case.

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Speaker 8: Not a phone.

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Speaker 19: It's a Suzuki Swerft.

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Speaker 22: I've got it for sale.

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Speaker 18: Just give me a call.

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Speaker 3: Never want to miss an opportunity, guys, Thank you very much,

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Speaker 3: Jack Tame, Tim wilsoner hud All this evening year. So

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Speaker 3: four and a half thousand dollars two thousand pounds, four

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Speaker 3: and a half thousand dollars the most expensive Apple iPhone ever. Well,

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Speaker 3: obviously I didn't have to say iPhone. That was redundant.

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Speaker 3: All Apple phones or iPhones, aren't they. It's the iPhone

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Speaker 3: seventeen Promax. It has advanced processes and redesigned cameras and

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Speaker 3: two terabytes of storage. Everything everything you've ever dreamed for,

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Speaker 3: dreamed of. Eight away from.

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Speaker 1: Six it's the Heather Duplas Allen Drive Full Show podcast

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Speaker 1: on my Heart Radio powered by News Talk ZB.

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Speaker 3: Just a reminder, we're going to talk about the jet

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Speaker 3: Star announcement today that they're putting on a whole lot

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Speaker 3: more flights with Louise Upston, Tourism Minister after six. Right now,

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Speaker 3: it's five away from six. Can I just say, very

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Speaker 3: quickly on the the Takuta Fairest thing, if there is

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Speaker 3: something to be reasonably pleased about this bizarre burst of

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Speaker 3: racism at midnight, it's that it is actually getting some

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Speaker 3: media coverage. Now, this is unusual, right, This is this

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Speaker 3: is something has changed and I can't quite pick what

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Speaker 3: it is. But you know, if he'd done this, I

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Speaker 3: would venture to say, because this is not the worst thing,

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Speaker 3: like by any stretch that the Maori Party has said.

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Speaker 3: They've said far worse things. And I've ventured to say

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Speaker 3: that if he had said this maybe two years ago,

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Speaker 3: I think a lot of the mainstream media when I

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Speaker 3: say that, I mean the press gallery just waved it

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Speaker 3: in like they don't really care. About what it was

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Speaker 3: a party Marty can say what evak aren't they But

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01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:45,920
Speaker 3: somehow something has changed and he's been picked up. His

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Speaker 3: comments on this particular Instagram post have been picked up,

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01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:51,560
Speaker 3: and then the rent last night in a way that

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Speaker 3: holding the Maori Party to account in a way they

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Speaker 3: never have. And I'm not sure look at Maybe I

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Speaker 3: wonder if it's because the Maori part like there a

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Speaker 3: credible pathway to victory for the left here as in

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Speaker 3: Labour Party, Maori Party, Green Party could potentially be government

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Speaker 3: next year and maybe the press gallery is waking.

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Speaker 2: Up to that.

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Speaker 3: Or maybe it's the fact that the Maori Party have

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Speaker 3: irritated the press gallery by banning them from the by

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Speaker 3: election night and not giving them any interviews. Who knows,

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Speaker 3: but I welcome it very very much. Now I thought

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Speaker 3: I was excited about this. They've had the UFO hearings

1359
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Speaker 3: in the States, I mean, to be fair, this is

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Speaker 3: the third hearing they've had since twenty twenty three. It's

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Speaker 3: called the Transparency Relating to Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena. It's a

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Speaker 3: real UAP, very catchy anyway. It featured the defense whistleblowers

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Speaker 3: three bits of information out of it. The first is

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Speaker 3: one one of the whistleblowers claimed a triangular fluid object

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Speaker 3: was flying from near the NASA here A building and

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Speaker 3: it interfered with his cell phone. The second report was

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Speaker 3: a massive glowing red square silently hovering above US military sites.

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Speaker 3: But my favorite was the third, which was the video

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Speaker 3: of what was apparently a hell fire missile smacking into

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Speaker 3: a US and then bouncing off and the UFO just

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Speaker 3: kept going. You could go look at it on the internet.

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Speaker 3: There it is. There's your proof UFOs are real, says

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Speaker 3: the whistleblowers. Anyway, talk about Jetstar next.

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Speaker 24: Time, Flowers keeping track of where the money is flowing.

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Speaker 2: The Business hour with.

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Speaker 1: Hither Duplessy alp and Mass for insurance investments and the

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Speaker 1: Kiwi Saber.

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Speaker 2: You're in good hands news talks. He'd be.

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Speaker 3: Even in coming up for the next hour. There is

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Speaker 3: new information, can you believe it? In the all resignation saga,

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Speaker 3: which now suggests that he would have been fired if

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Speaker 3: he hadn't resigned. Jannatib Cherani will talk us through that.

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Speaker 3: I we'll also talk us data with Milford Asset Management,

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Speaker 3: and then we will talk everything that's going on in

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Speaker 3: the UK with Gavin Gray seven past six. Now, competition's

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Speaker 3: heading up for air New Zealand and the domestic market.

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Speaker 3: Jetstar has announced today it's biggest ever expansion in New Zealand,

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Speaker 3: with over six hundred thousand extra seats. There's also a

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Speaker 3: new daily route between Hamilton and christ Church and seasonal

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Speaker 3: roots from Queenstown to Brisbane. Louise Upston is the tourism

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Speaker 3: in a stand with us now, high Louise, good afternoon,

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Speaker 3: how are you well? Thank you? You like the look

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Speaker 3: of it? Oh, it's great news.

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Speaker 25: And look what it says is that Jetstar and Quantus

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Speaker 25: have real confidence in the market in New Zealand, and

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Speaker 25: they're really confident about the direction the government's taking in

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Speaker 25: our absolute unabashed ambition for more visitors into New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: What do you reckons more exciting the Hamilton christ Church

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Speaker 3: route or the Queenstown Brisbane route.

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Speaker 25: Oh, it's a bit of a toss up, but being

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Speaker 25: a sort of one that uses the Hamilton airport, that's

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Speaker 25: got to be a pretty exciting one.

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Speaker 3: So purely from a self serving position, I like t Hamilton.

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Speaker 3: Why would it be anything else?

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Speaker 25: No, Look, in all seriousness, you know this is the

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Speaker 25: single biggest expansion ever of Jetstar New Zealand and also

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Speaker 25: the Trans Tasman network, So that is a significant step

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Speaker 25: for Jetstar and Quantus. I think it's a really exciting

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Speaker 25: day in terms of increased options, increased choice and of

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Speaker 25: course increase competition, and it just gives more options both

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Speaker 25: within New Zealand but also more destinations that we can

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Speaker 25: get to in Australia.

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Speaker 3: Look, I look at something like this and the first

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Speaker 3: aught that comes to mind is why is in New

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Speaker 3: Zealand not being this confident and expanding. Do you have

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Speaker 3: some concerns about that that we've got an Australian carrier

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Speaker 3: who's prepared to up the number of seats while in

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Speaker 3: New Zealand just doesn't have that level of ability.

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Speaker 25: Well, I think in New Zealand would need to answer

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Speaker 25: any questions about that. You know, they've had a number

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Speaker 25: of challenges that they have faced. But I think this

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Speaker 25: is a really positive sign for New Zealand and for

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Speaker 25: New Zealand tourism. What we do want to do is

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Speaker 25: attract more airlines to bring international routes into the various

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01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:58,960
Speaker 25: airports across New Zealand. So while Auckland will see the

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Speaker 25: Lions Share. It's really exciting to see jet Star earlier

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Speaker 25: this year coming into Hamilton, coming into Dunedin. It gives

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Speaker 25: lots more opportunities for those Australians that are increasing in

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Speaker 25: their numbers coming to our shores, the places they land

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Speaker 25: and therefore where they travel, and the businesses that benefit

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Speaker 25: from that. So getting into more regions is really exciting.

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Speaker 25: But it also means there's more options around schedules and

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Speaker 25: price for domestic connections. And I think it's a really

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Speaker 25: positive day for New Zealand to see Quantus and Jetstar

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Speaker 25: delivering six hundred and sixty thousand fewer seats, sorry.

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Speaker 3: More seats. Yeah, kind of the opposite, Louise, how do

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Speaker 3: we get people because everybody's obviously, I mean just look

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Speaker 3: at it. Look it's Brisbane to Queenstown, right, everybody loves

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Speaker 3: the South Island. How do we get these tourists to

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Speaker 3: love the North Island.

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Speaker 25: Well, that's where I think. You know, destinations like Hamilton

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Speaker 25: are really important. So it's getting people to fly into Hamilton.

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Speaker 25: They're then traveling around the central North Island the same

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Speaker 25: as Dunedin. So they might land in Dunedin and then

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Speaker 25: travel through a different part of the South Island. The

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Speaker 25: regions are coordinating and collaborating, so the Southern Way is

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01:09:18,200 --> 01:09:21,160
Speaker 25: working together to say, once somebody's landed in Dunedan, how

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Speaker 25: do we make it easier for them to explore parts

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Speaker 25: of New Zealand that they otherwise might not. And so

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Speaker 25: it's really ensuring we get more visitors, we get more

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Speaker 25: Australians choosing to visit New Zealand and then encouraging and

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Speaker 25: enabling them to move around New Zealand and experience different places,

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Speaker 25: so that's where they land in the first place. But

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Speaker 25: also cheaper domestic fares also make it easier for international

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Speaker 25: visitors to move around the country and experience more places.

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Speaker 25: So that's an absolute one one.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much. Louis appreciate it. Louis Epston, Tourism Minister.

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Speaker 3: Heather Jetstar Asia shut down their operations and that's where

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Speaker 3: the planes have come from.

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Speaker 2: Heather doul.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I mean to actually bring this to your attention

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Speaker 3: to you, I don't know if you were listening. Around

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Speaker 3: about four thirty, I made the point that I thought

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Speaker 3: calling the Tom Phillips operation Operation Curly was kind of

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01:10:15,400 --> 01:10:19,360
Speaker 3: like it fell off because it's such a benign name

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Speaker 3: for such a grim situation. Somebody said that the police

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Speaker 3: have called Operation Curly because he's baled, so it's a

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Speaker 3: police in joke, which I kind of I suppose I appreciate.

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Speaker 3: Now I'm going to bring something to your attention. Just

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Speaker 3: park this in your brain. Park this in your brain

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Speaker 3: for later, because I reckon that this is going to

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Speaker 3: be potentially important. So last week, when we were talking

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Speaker 3: about Tom Phillips, after Tom had tried to rob what

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Speaker 3: was it the dairy or had managed to get the

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Speaker 3: milk out of the airy or whatever it was, we're

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Speaker 3: talking about that, and I made the point that I

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Speaker 3: didn't think police were actually looking like actively out there

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Speaker 3: hunting him in the bush. And Mark Mitchell, the Police Minister,

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Speaker 3: was on with Mike Hosking today and basically confirmed that

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Speaker 3: it would have.

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Speaker 22: Been easy for them to put an operation together and

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Speaker 22: go in there and try and raid the camp and

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Speaker 22: recover them.

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Speaker 2: But look at what might have occurred.

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Speaker 7: Probably what would have occurred, as you know, you could

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Speaker 7: have ended up with a complete tragedy.

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Speaker 3: Now fair point, fair point that he clearly was always

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Speaker 3: going to pull a gun and that had to be

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Speaker 3: a consideration, and that might have been a very good

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Speaker 3: reason not to go and pull a team together and

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Speaker 3: raid the camp. But listen to what the police minister said.

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Speaker 3: They could have pulled a team together, They could have

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Speaker 3: raided the camp. It would have been easy, but they didn't.

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Speaker 3: We'll just park that in our brains and remember that

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Speaker 3: for later. On six thirteen, it's the Heather.

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Speaker 2: Nz Heather duplus Allen Heather.

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Speaker 3: Now that the Aussies are inoculating the koala against chlamydia,

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Speaker 3: they may be more willing to visit Hamilton and look,

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Speaker 3: they will find it much easier to fly there seventeen

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Speaker 3: pass six. Now, US data has been in the spotlight

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Speaker 3: in recent weeks and we've got more signs things could

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Speaker 3: be turning. Question is is it about to get worse

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Speaker 3: or inflex and with US now as Brendan Larson of

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Speaker 3: Milford Asset Management, Hey Brendan, good evening, how are you

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Speaker 3: interpreting the data?

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Speaker 21: Look, it's fair to say we are on a bit

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Speaker 21: of a knife s edge. Now, with regards to the

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Speaker 21: US economy, Heather, we're getting some quite conflicting data that

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Speaker 21: is making it quite difficult to.

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Speaker 5: Have conviction in the overall direction of the economy.

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Speaker 21: Labor market data last week was undoubtedly weak, including negative revisions.

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Speaker 21: Since May, payrolls have averaged just twenty seven thousand per month,

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Speaker 21: So since two thousand, that's actually the weakest four month

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01:13:34,720 --> 01:13:37,960
Speaker 21: trend outside of recession periods. So the question around the

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01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:40,960
Speaker 21: labor market is whether this reflects delays in hiring during

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Speaker 21: those turbulent months given that tariff uncertainty we had, or

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Speaker 21: if that reflects or real flowing in demand in the economy.

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Speaker 21: A fair reason to think maybe the latter is that

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Speaker 21: growth indicators are still not showing signs of falling off

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Speaker 21: a cliff. Yet the ISM and PMI reports actually indicated

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Speaker 21: that new orders, which is a leading indicator for demand,

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Speaker 21: actually urge last month, and so the question is whether

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Speaker 21: that translates into an inflection and labor demand again.

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Speaker 3: So is it possible that that weaker labor market is

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Speaker 3: why markets are pricing in a lot more cuts.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's right.

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Speaker 21: So I think markets had been pre empting the federal

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Speaker 21: reserve becoming more dubvish, So the market is now actually

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Speaker 21: pricing around three cuts this year and just over five

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Speaker 21: over the next twelve months. The issue here is that

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Speaker 21: the FED may be cutting into rising inflation. We get

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Speaker 21: more clarity on this later this week, but core inflation

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Speaker 21: is expected to increase from here. High frequency data does

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Speaker 21: suggest there is scope for meaningful increases in core goods

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Speaker 21: prices in coming months. One potential offset to that is

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Speaker 21: that US rents now look to be falling meaningfully and

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01:14:44,840 --> 01:14:46,680
Speaker 21: that may help drive shelter disinflation.

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Speaker 3: So if you've got the concerns around the labor market

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Speaker 3: the inflation risks, what about the US consumer because they

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Speaker 3: have been really key for the economy there, haven't they.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a really good point.

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Speaker 21: The US consumer really was underpending that really strong US economy.

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Speaker 5: What we are still seeing, though, is a really K shaped.

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Speaker 21: Economy, and what that means is that the top quartile

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Speaker 21: is doing really well still, but the lower end is hurting.

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Speaker 5: One thing to keep in mind as we go into

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Speaker 5: next year.

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Speaker 21: Though, is that the big beautiful bill that was passed

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Speaker 21: earlier this year will provide meaningful stimulus early next year,

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Speaker 21: and so that is a potential positive for growth as

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Speaker 21: we sort of get into twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's pretty tricky stuff. So what does that mean

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Speaker 3: for the markets?

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Speaker 21: Yeah, it is tricky, I think, particularly when you're adding

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Speaker 21: that sort of fiscal overreach that we've discussed with you

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01:15:31,360 --> 01:15:34,679
Speaker 21: over recent weeks. And so the US administration is continuing

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Speaker 21: to creep closer to fiscal dominance and potentially undermining under

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Speaker 21: FEDS inflation targeting mandate. And so if we couple that

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01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:46,080
Speaker 21: with potentially rising core inflation as tariffs show through, and

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Speaker 21: a federal reserve who are cutting raids, the outcome is

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Speaker 21: actually quite positive for stores of value. So gold is

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Speaker 21: the clearest example of this store of value and investors have.

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Speaker 5: Really been piling in.

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Speaker 21: Gold is up forty five percent over the last year

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Speaker 21: versus the simply five hundred up just nineteen percent over

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Speaker 21: that same time period. For interest rate markets, clearly the

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Speaker 21: bias for short term interest rates in the US is lower,

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Speaker 21: but with potential inflation risks, there is scope for longer

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Speaker 21: term interest rates to remain a.

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Speaker 5: Little bit more elevated.

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Speaker 21: We think this could way on share markets, especially given

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Speaker 21: the strong run they've had and quite Elevated Investor Positioning.

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Speaker 3: Hey, thank you Brandan, really good to talk to you.

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Speaker 3: Brendan Larson Milford Asset Management BTS auction failed again today.

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Speaker 3: This is the third time it's failed this year, and

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Speaker 3: it's the third time it's run. So basically all three

1601
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:34,320
Speaker 3: have failed. Now let me just run so this will

1602
01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:36,439
Speaker 3: start it at the end of twenty twenty two. The

1603
01:16:36,479 --> 01:16:38,240
Speaker 3: first one that failed, as far as I can remember,

1604
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Speaker 3: was the start of twenty three. So this is what's

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Speaker 3: happened in twenty three, twenty four to twenty five. All

1606
01:16:42,960 --> 01:16:46,080
Speaker 3: four failed in twenty three. Three out of the four

1607
01:16:46,160 --> 01:16:49,880
Speaker 3: failed last year. Three this year have failed. So that

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01:16:50,040 --> 01:16:53,080
Speaker 3: means in three years out of the eleven, only one

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01:16:53,320 --> 01:16:56,759
Speaker 3: has partially sold. That's not good. A six twenty one.

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Speaker 1: Everything from SMEs to the Big Corp's The Business Hour

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Speaker 2: Talks that'd be hither.

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Speaker 3: The best thing that people could have done to help

1615
01:17:11,400 --> 01:17:13,760
Speaker 3: the children, this is ree Tom Phillips, would have been

1616
01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:15,960
Speaker 3: to tell the police where they were at the beginning. Absolutely,

1617
01:17:16,040 --> 01:17:17,479
Speaker 3: feed the kids if you need to feed the kids,

1618
01:17:17,560 --> 01:17:19,880
Speaker 3: then go tell the cops with our by the way

1619
01:17:20,080 --> 01:17:22,280
Speaker 3: in Parliament today. So this I got this from somebody

1620
01:17:22,320 --> 01:17:26,240
Speaker 3: in government. Text goes like this, Heather, it's estimates week

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01:17:26,240 --> 01:17:29,280
Speaker 3: at Parliament. And yesterday we had two hearings Brackets Commerce

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01:17:29,360 --> 01:17:32,639
Speaker 3: and Consumer Affairs in Housing like Commerce and Consumer Affairs

1623
01:17:33,200 --> 01:17:36,880
Speaker 3: and then Housing where the opposition ran out of questions

1624
01:17:37,320 --> 01:17:40,080
Speaker 3: and the hearings ended early. It caused one of Visc's hearings,

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01:17:40,120 --> 01:17:42,639
Speaker 3: as Chris Bishop, one of his hearings to begin fifteen

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01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:44,600
Speaker 3: minutes early because they ran out of the question so

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01:17:44,680 --> 01:17:46,479
Speaker 3: the staff had to round them up and sprint him

1628
01:17:46,520 --> 01:17:49,320
Speaker 3: to the house. How can the opposition run out of questions?

1629
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:51,640
Speaker 3: They've known these hearings were coming up for weeks and

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01:17:51,760 --> 01:17:55,040
Speaker 3: weeks Labour requested that those hearings be at least an

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01:17:55,080 --> 01:17:58,000
Speaker 3: hour each. Did they do no prep? Well, this is

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01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:00,920
Speaker 3: an end text. This is a very good point, isn't it?

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01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:03,360
Speaker 3: Did they do no prep? Because it looks to me

1634
01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:07,880
Speaker 3: like this is if I had a criticism of labor. Boy,

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01:18:07,920 --> 01:18:10,160
Speaker 3: do I have criticisms of labor at the moment? If

1636
01:18:10,200 --> 01:18:12,479
Speaker 3: I had a criticism of Labor, it would be that

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01:18:12,560 --> 01:18:15,559
Speaker 3: they appeared to be doing nothing at the moment. There's

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01:18:15,640 --> 01:18:19,840
Speaker 3: no policy, there are no positions on things which we

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01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:22,719
Speaker 3: can't even say of taku to Ferris's stuff as racist

1640
01:18:22,840 --> 01:18:25,840
Speaker 3: like nothing, there's no work being done whatsoever, and it

1641
01:18:25,880 --> 01:18:28,400
Speaker 3: would appear no questions either. Come on, guys, sort it

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01:18:28,439 --> 01:18:30,960
Speaker 3: out by the way, just really quickly, because you know

1643
01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:32,800
Speaker 3: that I've got a thing on about the cones, like

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01:18:32,840 --> 01:18:35,200
Speaker 3: I've got an ongoing love affair with the cones. Boy

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01:18:35,320 --> 01:18:36,120
Speaker 3: did it it? Tackle me?

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Speaker 5: Pink?

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01:18:36,479 --> 01:18:38,400
Speaker 3: And was I excited to see that a cone has

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Speaker 3: been permanently asphalted into the footpath in New Plymouth on

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01:18:42,439 --> 01:18:45,200
Speaker 3: Breakwater Road. Now everybody who looked at that at the

1650
01:18:45,240 --> 01:18:47,519
Speaker 3: outset thought that's a mistake. No, it wasn't a mistake.

1651
01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:50,160
Speaker 3: They did that deliberately. So what happened was there is

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01:18:50,240 --> 01:18:52,880
Speaker 3: a exposed pipe underneath. Then they have to do some

1653
01:18:53,040 --> 01:18:55,760
Speaker 3: work in the mains of the house, and then they

1654
01:18:55,800 --> 01:18:57,439
Speaker 3: exposed piper is in the footpath and they can't have

1655
01:18:57,479 --> 01:18:58,960
Speaker 3: people walking over it. So what they did is they

1656
01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:01,479
Speaker 3: put the cone down and then they ass faltered. You

1657
01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:02,840
Speaker 3: know how the cones got the lip at the bottom.

1658
01:19:02,880 --> 01:19:04,920
Speaker 3: The ass faltered around the lips. So you've got about

1659
01:19:05,080 --> 01:19:07,479
Speaker 3: the top seven six or seven eighths of the cones

1660
01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:11,880
Speaker 3: sticking out the top. Just glorious, just to like, really

1661
01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:14,640
Speaker 3: cement in something that we all hate. Well done, New

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Speaker 3: Plymouth Are six twenty six Shoba's Time Was Here, which

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01:19:23,320 --> 01:19:27,360
Speaker 3: early two thousands classic has the song over the opening credits. Yes,

1664
01:19:27,680 --> 01:19:30,960
Speaker 3: you're right, You're absolutely right. It as The Devil Wears Prada. Now,

1665
01:19:32,040 --> 01:19:34,000
Speaker 3: many people who you know the one that I'm talking about,

1666
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Speaker 3: this is where Meryl Streep plays a magazine head who's

1667
01:19:36,520 --> 01:19:39,920
Speaker 3: equally fabulous, but as much fabulous as she is guarded

1668
01:19:39,960 --> 01:19:42,160
Speaker 3: and rude. Now many people have said over the years

1669
01:19:42,240 --> 01:19:45,400
Speaker 3: that's obviously a parody of Anna Wintour. But the thing

1670
01:19:45,560 --> 01:19:48,479
Speaker 3: is Anna has never said anything about it herself until

1671
01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:50,880
Speaker 3: now she's stepping down as the head of Vogue and

1672
01:19:51,040 --> 01:19:53,840
Speaker 3: finally spilled the beans to the New Yorker podcast about

1673
01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:54,840
Speaker 3: her thoughts on that film.

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Speaker 16: I went to the premiere Wearing Prada completely having no

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01:20:01,240 --> 01:20:03,920
Speaker 16: idea what the film was going to be about. First

1676
01:20:03,960 --> 01:20:08,040
Speaker 16: of all, it was Meryl street which fantastic, And then

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01:20:08,080 --> 01:20:09,760
Speaker 16: I went to send the film and I find it

1678
01:20:09,920 --> 01:20:11,719
Speaker 16: highly enjoyable and very funny.

1679
01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:15,400
Speaker 3: It was very funny, But don't you like something about

1680
01:20:15,400 --> 01:20:18,120
Speaker 3: her is so scary and menacing that you never know

1681
01:20:18,200 --> 01:20:20,879
Speaker 3: whether she's fired, and finding it funny is a good thing. Anyway.

1682
01:20:21,560 --> 01:20:24,080
Speaker 3: There is a sequel coming out very soon. It'll be

1683
01:20:24,160 --> 01:20:25,960
Speaker 3: in May next year that you'll be able to see

1684
01:20:25,960 --> 01:20:29,800
Speaker 3: Anne Hathaway reunite with Meryl Streep. And the question now

1685
01:20:29,920 --> 01:20:32,400
Speaker 3: is will Anna Wintur be making a cameo because she

1686
01:20:32,479 --> 01:20:35,120
Speaker 3: has got time on her hands, does she not? Yes,

1687
01:20:35,160 --> 01:20:39,040
Speaker 3: she does, all right, the world's longest saga about something

1688
01:20:39,080 --> 01:20:41,600
Speaker 3: that everybody wishes had happened quickly so we could just

1689
01:20:41,720 --> 01:20:44,599
Speaker 3: move on as the Adrian all resignation. As I said,

1690
01:20:44,640 --> 01:20:48,040
Speaker 3: now it turns out that that documents suggest if he

1691
01:20:48,120 --> 01:20:50,560
Speaker 3: hadn't quit, he would have been fired. So talk to

1692
01:20:50,640 --> 01:20:52,880
Speaker 3: Janative Treni about that. Next news is next.

1693
01:20:54,240 --> 01:21:06,479
Speaker 2: Yes, if it's to do with money, it matters to you.

1694
01:21:07,040 --> 01:21:10,559
Speaker 1: The Business Hour we're the header duplicy Ellen and maz

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Speaker 1: for insurance Convestments and Juey Safer and you're in good

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Speaker 1: hands News talks.

1697
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Speaker 2: That'd be.

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Speaker 3: Got a statement from the police on that documentary. I

1699
01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:27,479
Speaker 3: will get it to you very shortly, and of course

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Speaker 3: Gavin Gray's with us out of the UK right now.

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Speaker 3: It's twenty five away from seven now, Yes, the world's

1702
01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:35,320
Speaker 3: longest resignation saga continues. We now have copies of text

1703
01:21:35,400 --> 01:21:39,400
Speaker 3: messages just released by Treasury that confirm that Adrianall was

1704
01:21:39,520 --> 01:21:41,240
Speaker 3: likely to be sacked if he didn't resign as the

1705
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Speaker 3: Reserve Bank governor. It's transpired now that the process was

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01:21:43,880 --> 01:21:47,080
Speaker 3: so advanced that Nikola Willis was told she might receive

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Speaker 3: a recommendation from the Reserve Bank's board to remove or

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Speaker 3: Jenetibstraney as The Herald's Wellington business editor and with us

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Speaker 3: hygieneme Hi, now tell us what you've forgot under the OA.

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Speaker 3: What's going on here?

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Speaker 11: Okay? So I've got copies of text messages between the

1712
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Speaker 11: Head of the Treasury, Ian Rennie and Nikola Willis from

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Speaker 11: February twenty seven, So this is shortly before Adrian Or

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Speaker 11: resigned on March five, and basically Ian Rennie was keeping

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Speaker 11: Nikola Willis in the loop, saying that Adrian Or had

1716
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Speaker 11: chosen to stand down from his role because the Reserve

1717
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Speaker 11: Bank Board had presented him with a letter of concerns.

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Speaker 11: And then he interestingly also said that Neil quickly that

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Speaker 11: the chair of the board was his current thinking was

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Speaker 11: that Nichola Willis could receive a recommendation the following week

1721
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Speaker 11: unless the decision was taken for Or to go voluntarily.

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Speaker 11: So I double checked with the Treasury exactly what Ian

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Speaker 11: Rennie meant, and what he was saying was basically, you

1724
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Speaker 11: know that Nicolo Willis might receive a recommendation from the

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01:22:50,840 --> 01:22:56,560
Speaker 11: Reserve Bank Board to start the process of sacking Adrian Or. So,

1726
01:22:56,800 --> 01:22:58,880
Speaker 11: you know, I think what's come to light in recent

1727
01:22:59,000 --> 01:23:02,400
Speaker 11: weeks is different that there was an element of Adrian

1728
01:23:02,560 --> 01:23:06,080
Speaker 11: Or being pushed to resign. That that kind of came

1729
01:23:06,120 --> 01:23:09,800
Speaker 11: out when the Onbidsman forced the Reserve Bank to release

1730
01:23:09,840 --> 01:23:12,320
Speaker 11: some more information. But what this shows was that the

1731
01:23:12,600 --> 01:23:16,759
Speaker 11: process was fairly well advanced and that you know, Nichola

1732
01:23:16,760 --> 01:23:19,479
Speaker 11: Willis was warned that, yeah, look she needs to get

1733
01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:22,240
Speaker 11: ready to consider whether she wants to sack him.

1734
01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:23,799
Speaker 3: Is this bad for Nichola Willis.

1735
01:23:25,840 --> 01:23:26,400
Speaker 9: I think it is.

1736
01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:30,640
Speaker 11: I think it is bad because the buck does. I mean,

1737
01:23:30,720 --> 01:23:33,120
Speaker 11: this whole thing is a shamozzle and the buck does

1738
01:23:33,200 --> 01:23:37,720
Speaker 11: stop with the minister. But Nicholallis has defended herself here.

1739
01:23:37,920 --> 01:23:40,400
Speaker 11: She said, look, the reason she hasn't come out earlier

1740
01:23:40,479 --> 01:23:43,080
Speaker 11: to say this is the real story.

1741
01:23:43,160 --> 01:23:43,960
Speaker 1: This is what happened.

1742
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Speaker 11: Is because she wanted to make sure she upheld the

1743
01:23:47,880 --> 01:23:51,360
Speaker 11: Reserve Bank's independence and that she didn't get involved in

1744
01:23:51,640 --> 01:23:55,360
Speaker 11: a employment dispute that she wasn't party to. You know,

1745
01:23:55,520 --> 01:23:58,439
Speaker 11: she was wary of the fact that there was that

1746
01:23:58,600 --> 01:24:01,439
Speaker 11: Adrian or disputed the least of concerns and then the

1747
01:24:01,520 --> 01:24:03,880
Speaker 11: letter was ultimately bimmed, So she didn't want to say

1748
01:24:03,960 --> 01:24:08,040
Speaker 11: something that contravened that agreement, you know, that could cause

1749
01:24:08,040 --> 01:24:13,719
Speaker 11: a big old legal stoush. So she has really tried

1750
01:24:13,760 --> 01:24:18,040
Speaker 11: to distance herself. Interestingly, this week, Barbara Edmonds of Labor

1751
01:24:18,120 --> 01:24:20,920
Speaker 11: has jumped on board this issue and has been interrogating

1752
01:24:21,280 --> 01:24:25,160
Speaker 11: Nickoloblis pretty forensically in the House to try to try

1753
01:24:25,200 --> 01:24:27,280
Speaker 11: to draw out some information.

1754
01:24:27,520 --> 01:24:30,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it does feel like a bit of

1755
01:24:30,280 --> 01:24:33,040
Speaker 3: bollocks from Nikola. Willis right, because she was asked repeatedly,

1756
01:24:33,160 --> 01:24:35,080
Speaker 3: like to the point where I became embarrassed at actually

1757
01:24:35,080 --> 01:24:36,920
Speaker 3: asking her any more questions about it, and she never

1758
01:24:37,439 --> 01:24:40,680
Speaker 3: faced up anything. So it's hard for her to defend this.

1759
01:24:41,040 --> 01:24:43,360
Speaker 3: But having said that, in the interim, she has managed

1760
01:24:43,400 --> 01:24:45,400
Speaker 3: to get rid of Neil quickly, so does that save her?

1761
01:24:46,479 --> 01:24:49,200
Speaker 11: Yeah, look, I think the thing that Nicola Willis should

1762
01:24:49,240 --> 01:24:52,800
Speaker 11: have done is put greater pressure on the Reserve Bank

1763
01:24:53,040 --> 01:24:56,040
Speaker 11: than she did to come clean with the story sooner.

1764
01:24:56,560 --> 01:24:59,000
Speaker 11: So Nickola Willis says that she did put pressure on

1765
01:24:59,120 --> 01:25:02,679
Speaker 11: the Reserve Bank board, and that is that is correct.

1766
01:25:02,720 --> 01:25:06,839
Speaker 11: We've seen evidence of that publicly and privately. But ultimately

1767
01:25:06,960 --> 01:25:09,200
Speaker 11: the pressure that she put on the board wasn't enough,

1768
01:25:09,600 --> 01:25:12,639
Speaker 11: and the board only the Reserve Bank only released more

1769
01:25:12,640 --> 01:25:17,840
Speaker 11: information after the Ombardsman intervened, and then ultimately Nichola Willis

1770
01:25:17,960 --> 01:25:21,920
Speaker 11: only got Neil Quigley to resign after this all came out,

1771
01:25:22,040 --> 01:25:24,320
Speaker 11: and that was only a couple of weeks ago. So

1772
01:25:24,479 --> 01:25:27,439
Speaker 11: I think the thing that it's a tough Nichola Willis

1773
01:25:27,479 --> 01:25:29,600
Speaker 11: wasn't a tough situation. The thing she she should have

1774
01:25:29,680 --> 01:25:33,120
Speaker 11: done was put greater pressure on the Reserve Bank board.

1775
01:25:33,720 --> 01:25:36,080
Speaker 11: But it's a tough one because you know, she does

1776
01:25:36,160 --> 01:25:39,800
Speaker 11: not want to be seen to be interfering with the

1777
01:25:39,920 --> 01:25:42,559
Speaker 11: Reserve Bank. But I think actually something people should realize

1778
01:25:42,640 --> 01:25:45,080
Speaker 11: is that there's one thing for the Reserve Bank to

1779
01:25:45,160 --> 01:25:48,200
Speaker 11: be accountable to the government. That's fine. It's a whole

1780
01:25:48,280 --> 01:25:51,120
Speaker 11: nother thing if the government gets involved in ocr decisions,

1781
01:25:51,400 --> 01:25:53,880
Speaker 11: and what we're talking about here has nothing to do

1782
01:25:54,000 --> 01:25:56,960
Speaker 11: with ocr decisions. It's all about accountability.

1783
01:25:57,479 --> 01:26:00,559
Speaker 3: Now, look looking at it from the outside side, right,

1784
01:26:00,640 --> 01:26:02,559
Speaker 3: it looks to me like Nichola Willis as a finance

1785
01:26:02,600 --> 01:26:06,280
Speaker 3: mins under an incredible amount of pressure. She's she's clearly

1786
01:26:06,320 --> 01:26:08,960
Speaker 3: stuffed up here. She's she's got rid of Neil quickly

1787
01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:10,840
Speaker 3: as a result she stuffed up on the butter stuff.

1788
01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:13,160
Speaker 3: She got very close to stuffing up on the supermarket

1789
01:26:13,240 --> 01:26:15,000
Speaker 3: stuff and saved it at the very end. Is she

1790
01:26:15,120 --> 01:26:17,960
Speaker 3: when you see her in the corridors of Parliament, does

1791
01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:19,280
Speaker 3: she look like she's under pressure?

1792
01:26:20,320 --> 01:26:25,680
Speaker 11: I think today she she looked a bit exasperated by

1793
01:26:25,840 --> 01:26:31,160
Speaker 11: this saga. I mean, it's always tough when politicians talk

1794
01:26:31,240 --> 01:26:35,559
Speaker 11: a big game in terms of fixing some fairly massive

1795
01:26:35,640 --> 01:26:38,200
Speaker 11: problems and then they don't delivery. And I think that

1796
01:26:38,680 --> 01:26:41,679
Speaker 11: that is what's happened here. But if you see Nichola

1797
01:26:41,720 --> 01:26:45,720
Speaker 11: Willis compared to her pairs other politicians, she is a

1798
01:26:45,920 --> 01:26:49,400
Speaker 11: very good politician. You know, she is good at communicating

1799
01:26:49,560 --> 01:26:53,639
Speaker 11: and and so on. So but I think in this instance,

1800
01:26:53,760 --> 01:26:56,479
Speaker 11: I'm I'm disappointed by the lot of them. Actually, I

1801
01:26:56,560 --> 01:27:00,720
Speaker 11: can't even distinguish anymore between who's my it's culpable. I

1802
01:27:00,840 --> 01:27:02,880
Speaker 11: just feel like, as a member of the public, I've

1803
01:27:02,920 --> 01:27:04,440
Speaker 11: been misled and it's disappointed.

1804
01:27:04,600 --> 01:27:06,719
Speaker 3: It just looks like a giant cover up, doesn't it. Janey,

1805
01:27:06,760 --> 01:27:09,040
Speaker 3: Thanks very much, appreciate it. Janet to Trani The Herald's

1806
01:27:09,040 --> 01:27:13,160
Speaker 3: Wellington Business Edit in nineteen Away from seven Together. Okay,

1807
01:27:13,200 --> 01:27:16,000
Speaker 3: So here is a statement from a spokesperson at the Police.

1808
01:27:16,160 --> 01:27:20,760
Speaker 3: Read the documentary. The documentary crew has been following the

1809
01:27:20,800 --> 01:27:23,840
Speaker 3: police for the past seven months. Documentary crew has never

1810
01:27:23,920 --> 01:27:26,479
Speaker 3: been given access to nor has it sought from police,

1811
01:27:26,560 --> 01:27:29,679
Speaker 3: to film anything involving the children. The agreement with police

1812
01:27:29,680 --> 01:27:32,639
Speaker 3: specifies that beyond photos already in the media, the children

1813
01:27:32,640 --> 01:27:35,120
Speaker 3: will not be identified on screen in the film that

1814
01:27:35,240 --> 01:27:38,160
Speaker 3: applies unless there is written consent from both illegals, the

1815
01:27:38,280 --> 01:27:42,120
Speaker 3: children's legal guardian and police. Police also have final approval

1816
01:27:42,240 --> 01:27:44,240
Speaker 3: over the use of content, as in, if Police don't

1817
01:27:44,280 --> 01:27:46,880
Speaker 3: like anything, they'll get it scrubbed. Police is not receiving

1818
01:27:46,920 --> 01:27:49,560
Speaker 3: any payment for participating. The production is not allowed to

1819
01:27:49,600 --> 01:27:52,479
Speaker 3: be broadcast before the completion of any IPCA coronial or

1820
01:27:52,520 --> 01:27:56,040
Speaker 3: any other inquiries. Missing the point, entirely missing the point

1821
01:27:56,880 --> 01:27:59,720
Speaker 3: entirely about why this documentary should not go ahead. This

1822
01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:03,280
Speaker 3: documentary should not go ahead because by the time the IPCA,

1823
01:28:03,400 --> 01:28:06,080
Speaker 3: the coronial and any other inquiries are completed, it'll be

1824
01:28:06,240 --> 01:28:08,360
Speaker 3: years from now, right, So let's I don't know, pick

1825
01:28:08,360 --> 01:28:11,680
Speaker 3: a finger, twenty thirty five years from now. So these

1826
01:28:11,760 --> 01:28:14,800
Speaker 3: kids will be seventeen years old, fifteen years old, and

1827
01:28:14,920 --> 01:28:17,200
Speaker 3: fourteen years old, and they will have got on with

1828
01:28:17,320 --> 01:28:19,720
Speaker 3: their lives for the last five years, healed up a

1829
01:28:19,800 --> 01:28:23,040
Speaker 3: little bit, maybe you know, made some friends at school.

1830
01:28:23,640 --> 01:28:26,599
Speaker 3: Maybe people have forgotten what happened to them. People will

1831
01:28:26,680 --> 01:28:29,200
Speaker 3: forget about all the rumors they've heard, and then what

1832
01:28:29,280 --> 01:28:31,600
Speaker 3: will happen is the cops will release the documentary that

1833
01:28:31,720 --> 01:28:34,559
Speaker 3: just dredges it up all again. Like think about it, guys,

1834
01:28:35,320 --> 01:28:39,360
Speaker 3: this is this is I'm so unbelievably for all of

1835
01:28:39,400 --> 01:28:40,920
Speaker 3: the good work the cops have done here, I am

1836
01:28:40,960 --> 01:28:44,280
Speaker 3: so unbelievably disappointed in them that they cannot see that

1837
01:28:44,439 --> 01:28:46,639
Speaker 3: this is harmful to the children, Like to the extent

1838
01:28:46,800 --> 01:28:49,479
Speaker 3: when the children's minister was on Carentur didn't know about it.

1839
01:28:49,520 --> 01:28:50,920
Speaker 3: I told her about it, Yesteres, She's like, oh no,

1840
01:28:50,960 --> 01:28:53,639
Speaker 3: that shouldn't happen, Like clearly it shouldn't happen. Sort yourselves

1841
01:28:53,680 --> 01:28:57,000
Speaker 3: out what the hell I mean like, if you're going

1842
01:28:57,040 --> 01:28:58,960
Speaker 3: to be the police force going out there, going the children,

1843
01:28:59,040 --> 01:29:00,720
Speaker 3: the best interests of the child ldren are at the

1844
01:29:00,800 --> 01:29:03,280
Speaker 3: four of this, then scrub the documentary. There is no

1845
01:29:03,520 --> 01:29:07,559
Speaker 3: value in it anyway. Documentary is not going to go ahead.

1846
01:29:07,760 --> 01:29:09,560
Speaker 3: I'll tell you that now. I'm happy to take a

1847
01:29:09,600 --> 01:29:11,960
Speaker 3: bet on it because in the end they will. They

1848
01:29:11,960 --> 01:29:14,280
Speaker 3: will see the wood for the trees. They at the moment,

1849
01:29:14,479 --> 01:29:17,040
Speaker 3: what I'll tell you what's going on here right, what's

1850
01:29:17,120 --> 01:29:21,280
Speaker 3: going on here is that the cops are desperate. Right now,

1851
01:29:21,400 --> 01:29:24,720
Speaker 3: I think public opinion is poised and paused if you

1852
01:29:24,760 --> 01:29:26,920
Speaker 3: want to say that on whether the police should have

1853
01:29:26,960 --> 01:29:31,439
Speaker 3: gone in earlier, right, And I think in the fullness

1854
01:29:31,479 --> 01:29:35,200
Speaker 3: of time we may actually reach the conclusion that they

1855
01:29:35,200 --> 01:29:37,960
Speaker 3: should have gone in earlier. And as Mark Mitchell said,

1856
01:29:38,120 --> 01:29:40,240
Speaker 3: could have gone in earlier, it would have been quote

1857
01:29:40,280 --> 01:29:42,800
Speaker 3: easy for them to go in earlier. Now we may

1858
01:29:43,560 --> 01:29:46,680
Speaker 3: that what they're doing is they're getting all of this

1859
01:29:47,000 --> 01:29:51,040
Speaker 3: this content filmed behind the scenes as a pr exercise

1860
01:29:51,400 --> 01:29:53,680
Speaker 3: so that they because they are obsessed with convincing us

1861
01:29:53,800 --> 01:29:55,120
Speaker 3: that they did the right thing. And look, they may

1862
01:29:55,160 --> 01:29:57,040
Speaker 3: be right. I'm just but I'm just saying it is

1863
01:29:57,120 --> 01:30:00,000
Speaker 3: the fixation of the police right now to convince us

1864
01:30:00,120 --> 01:30:02,000
Speaker 3: that they did do the right thing, and therefore they

1865
01:30:02,120 --> 01:30:04,960
Speaker 3: focused on this documentary as a means to prove that

1866
01:30:05,200 --> 01:30:08,639
Speaker 3: to us. Should they need to their focus in being

1867
01:30:08,680 --> 01:30:11,640
Speaker 3: obsessed with that, they're focusing on the wrong thing. In

1868
01:30:11,760 --> 01:30:14,080
Speaker 3: mind about that, Just focus on these Chidren. Nobody else

1869
01:30:14,160 --> 01:30:17,200
Speaker 3: matters really, whether I'm right, you're right, they're right, whoever's

1870
01:30:17,240 --> 01:30:19,200
Speaker 3: right doesn't actually matter. That the welfare of the children

1871
01:30:19,240 --> 01:30:21,720
Speaker 3: matters the most. And so the documentary needs to go.

1872
01:30:22,040 --> 01:30:24,320
Speaker 3: And I think once they move on from the need

1873
01:30:24,439 --> 01:30:26,000
Speaker 3: to kind of convince us that they did the right

1874
01:30:26,080 --> 01:30:27,760
Speaker 3: thing in the last four years, they will start to

1875
01:30:27,880 --> 01:30:30,160
Speaker 3: understand that they need to get rid of the documentary.

1876
01:30:30,720 --> 01:30:33,439
Speaker 3: It will be some disappointed people, Dame Julie Christie, but

1877
01:30:33,520 --> 01:30:35,679
Speaker 3: you know, we're all adults. We can cope. Sixteen away

1878
01:30:35,720 --> 01:30:36,360
Speaker 3: from seven.

1879
01:30:36,320 --> 01:30:38,559
Speaker 2: Croaging the numbers and getting the results.

1880
01:30:38,880 --> 01:30:41,679
Speaker 1: It's heather due for Sea Ellen with the Business hour

1881
01:30:42,080 --> 01:30:46,280
Speaker 1: and mass for insurance investments and Qui Saber, you're in

1882
01:30:46,400 --> 01:30:46,960
Speaker 1: good hands.

1883
01:30:47,320 --> 01:30:48,559
Speaker 2: The news talk said, be listen.

1884
01:30:48,600 --> 01:30:50,200
Speaker 3: First of all, if you're a star trek fan. I've

1885
01:30:50,240 --> 01:30:52,280
Speaker 3: got something for you. But also I have failed, and

1886
01:30:52,360 --> 01:30:55,080
Speaker 3: this is an absolute crime on my part. I have

1887
01:30:55,200 --> 01:30:57,120
Speaker 3: failed to mention to you the fact that one of

1888
01:30:57,160 --> 01:30:59,960
Speaker 3: our little towns has made the world's most beautiful villa

1889
01:31:00,520 --> 01:31:03,320
Speaker 3: according to Forbes and the Unforgettable Travel Company, and in

1890
01:31:03,360 --> 01:31:06,040
Speaker 3: fact that Forbes is involved. Is like, it's reputable and

1891
01:31:06,080 --> 01:31:07,400
Speaker 3: it's not a little ragged, you know what I mean.

1892
01:31:07,640 --> 01:31:11,160
Speaker 3: So anyway, it's Russell, you know, as in Cordo Arica,

1893
01:31:11,320 --> 01:31:14,080
Speaker 3: as in hellhole of the Pacific, as in right up

1894
01:31:14,120 --> 01:31:16,240
Speaker 3: there in the nor beautiful like where the Duke of

1895
01:31:16,280 --> 01:31:17,880
Speaker 3: Marlborough is. And if you've been there you know that

1896
01:31:17,960 --> 01:31:20,360
Speaker 3: they're absolutely right. It is one of the most beautiful

1897
01:31:20,360 --> 01:31:22,800
Speaker 3: little places. It comes in at number eleven on the list.

1898
01:31:23,439 --> 01:31:26,080
Speaker 3: A little place in the Cotswaltz has come in at

1899
01:31:26,160 --> 01:31:28,160
Speaker 3: number one by bery B.

1900
01:31:28,360 --> 01:31:28,599
Speaker 23: Berry.

1901
01:31:28,680 --> 01:31:30,360
Speaker 3: I don't know, you know who. We can ask Gavin Gray,

1902
01:31:30,520 --> 01:31:32,559
Speaker 3: UK correspondent, who's with us? Hello, Gavin?

1903
01:31:33,680 --> 01:31:35,879
Speaker 13: I have There is Bibery and it is beautiful.

1904
01:31:36,360 --> 01:31:37,719
Speaker 3: What do you do when you go to Bibery?

1905
01:31:39,760 --> 01:31:41,080
Speaker 13: Look at the beautiful buildings.

1906
01:31:41,240 --> 01:31:41,960
Speaker 3: It's quite small.

1907
01:31:42,000 --> 01:31:43,840
Speaker 13: There isn't a huge amount to do that it's more

1908
01:31:43,960 --> 01:31:46,120
Speaker 13: just a beautiful place to walk through the Yeah, the

1909
01:31:46,240 --> 01:31:49,360
Speaker 13: buildings are kind of created out of honeycolored stones, so

1910
01:31:49,439 --> 01:31:52,759
Speaker 13: when the sun shines, oh bye, it's somewhere really stunning.

1911
01:31:52,800 --> 01:31:55,080
Speaker 13: But I've never been to Russell, so that's on my list.

1912
01:31:55,200 --> 01:31:57,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, you showed going. What you want to do

1913
01:31:57,479 --> 01:31:58,760
Speaker 3: is you want to go in the winter and just

1914
01:31:58,960 --> 01:32:01,400
Speaker 3: sit there at the Duke of Marlborough by the fireplace,

1915
01:32:01,439 --> 01:32:03,960
Speaker 3: slipping a whiskey and just imagining that you're a whaler

1916
01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:07,240
Speaker 3: from the nineteenth century, but a clean one. So that's

1917
01:32:07,680 --> 01:32:10,080
Speaker 3: quite a nice little day dream. Hey, listen, what do

1918
01:32:10,200 --> 01:32:11,920
Speaker 3: you make of the fact that the Russian drones have

1919
01:32:12,000 --> 01:32:12,960
Speaker 3: been down in Poland?

1920
01:32:14,200 --> 01:32:17,680
Speaker 13: Yeah, obviously a major escalation of what's been going on.

1921
01:32:18,000 --> 01:32:20,200
Speaker 13: So this is the first time a member of the

1922
01:32:20,320 --> 01:32:24,160
Speaker 13: NATO Military Alliance has directly engaged Russian assets, as it's

1923
01:32:24,200 --> 01:32:27,280
Speaker 13: been called in airspace. We believe those to be drones,

1924
01:32:27,840 --> 01:32:29,800
Speaker 13: and this is the first time since the Ukraine War

1925
01:32:29,880 --> 01:32:33,880
Speaker 13: started back in twenty twenty two. Currently, Poland's president is

1926
01:32:34,000 --> 01:32:38,120
Speaker 13: hiring a national security briefing with key officials. The operation

1927
01:32:38,960 --> 01:32:41,840
Speaker 13: no longer ongoing. Everything's been stood down by now, just

1928
01:32:41,920 --> 01:32:45,519
Speaker 13: in the last few minutes, four airports were shut in Poland.

1929
01:32:45,560 --> 01:32:48,839
Speaker 13: Those have now been reopened. But this is really serious

1930
01:32:48,880 --> 01:32:52,799
Speaker 13: because in the past, yes, drones have strayed beyond Ukraine's borders,

1931
01:32:52,840 --> 01:32:55,400
Speaker 13: but it's always just been like one or two and

1932
01:32:55,520 --> 01:32:57,639
Speaker 13: not much has happened. But this time these have gone

1933
01:32:57,840 --> 01:33:02,519
Speaker 13: deep into Polish airspace and so consequently, I think many

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Speaker 13: people think, along with Russia striking a government building in

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Speaker 13: Kiev in Ukraine, is this simply testing the West as

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Speaker 13: to their resolve and how far they are likely to go.

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Speaker 13: No response from Donald Trump at the moment, but of

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Speaker 13: course it is in nighttime there. But all of the

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Speaker 13: Poland's fellow NATO members and neighbors are saying this is unacceptable.

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Speaker 13: It's a Russian war of aggressions, says the Swedish Prime Minister,

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Speaker 13: and Poland has every right to defend its airspace. So

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Speaker 13: we now also learned that as well as Polish air Force,

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Speaker 13: it was also conducted in operation conducted with the Dutch

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Speaker 13: as well, and they've just been thanking the Dutch for

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Speaker 13: deploying F thirty.

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Speaker 5: Five fighter jets.

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Speaker 3: Now what is going on in France.

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Speaker 13: Today, Well, it's just a huge week really for the

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Speaker 13: French people for the French economy. French economy currently has

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Speaker 13: a deficit of roughly seven trillion New Zealand dollars, that's

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Speaker 13: one hundred and fourteen percent of the country's economic output

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Speaker 13: or GDP. And we've got the fifth prime minister now

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Speaker 13: appointed in the last two years, and Sebastian leco New

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Speaker 13: as he's called, has got a big job on his hands.

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Speaker 13: Today there is a block everything, as it's called protest,

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Speaker 13: and already we're hearing the Paris and so forth, many

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Speaker 13: people staying at home, they are not going on public

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Speaker 13: transport because so much of that has been threatened by

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Speaker 13: this strike, along with other services as well. It's called

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Speaker 13: the look on two let's block everything. And then on Friday,

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Speaker 13: the credit rating agency Fitch will reassess France's debts and

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Speaker 13: that could make its borrowing costs even higher if it

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Speaker 13: lowers its rating from doub a minus. So it really

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Speaker 13: is a big week in France. And this new prime minister, boy,

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Speaker 13: what a job he's got on trying to unite the left,

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Speaker 13: the right and the center. And that's probably why he's

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Speaker 13: the fifth person to be trying it in two years.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, good stuff. Gavin, Thank you very much, really appreciated.

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Speaker 3: Gavin Gray, UK correspondent, nine away from seven.

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Speaker 3: Listen. This is probably just confirming what you already know.

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Speaker 3: A and Z and Westpac have now joined B and Z,

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Speaker 3: so you've got three banks who have deepened their estimates

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Speaker 3: of how big they think the dip in Q two was.

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Speaker 3: So A and Z now reckons that the economy shrank

1977
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Speaker 3: by zero point four percent instead of what they previously

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Speaker 3: said we was zero point one percent. Westpac had been

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Speaker 3: forecasting GDP would be flat, but they now reckon it's

1980
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Speaker 3: a zero point four percent decline as well, So you're

1981
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Speaker 3: not imagining it. It sucked. Somebody who won't really respect

1982
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Speaker 3: has just text through saying hither, you're not going to

1983
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Speaker 3: be able to stop the documentary. Netflix will do un

1984
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Speaker 3: just like they do on any kind of fascinating story,

1985
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Speaker 3: like gross but fascinating story that the world is interested in,

1986
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Speaker 3: better to advocate for conditions around it and to ensure

1987
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Speaker 3: that Dame Julie Christie pays a big fat fund to

1988
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Speaker 3: set the kids up. After all, it will be financially

1989
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Speaker 3: viable for her and the profits should go to the kids.

1990
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Speaker 3: But you cannot stop it that censorship and so and

1991
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Speaker 3: far better for the key weis to tell the story

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Speaker 3: than an offshore crew, which is probably the reality of

1993
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Speaker 3: the situation as well. From another perspective, really quickly, if

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Speaker 3: you love Star Trek, like we laugh at people who

1995
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Speaker 3: love Star Trek, but so many more of it, it's

1996
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Speaker 3: like it's like, I don't know, It's like the people

1997
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Speaker 3: who really love Socomo in Australia, more people admit, more

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Speaker 3: people actually do it than admit to it.

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Speaker 22: Eh.

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Speaker 3: So it's sixty years of Star Trek next year and

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Speaker 3: they're going to do a year long celebration. They are

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Speaker 3: going to do all kinds of weird things, like they

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Speaker 3: can have a float in Californiyear's Rose Parade. And they've

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Speaker 3: got a new series Star Trek Starfleet Academy, which is

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Speaker 3: launching next year on Paramount. They've and it's actually got

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Speaker 3: Holly Hunter and Paul Giamatti in it, so it won't

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Speaker 3: be that bad. And they've got a YouTube series which

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Speaker 3: is coming out which is like a preschool extension of it,

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Speaker 3: and they've got a podcast coming out, which is talking

2010
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Speaker 3: about how can't became the villain? And finally they have

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Speaker 3: Lego coming out, and you know, when you've got the lego,

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Speaker 3: you are a big deal.

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Speaker 26: Libby, I've got a bit of Hillary Duff for us tonight.

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Speaker 26: Lord why because she has announced that she is returning

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Speaker 26: to music after a decade away. You'll remember her from

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Speaker 26: Oh Yeah, Lizzy maguire, Yes.

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Speaker 3: Yes, And how do we feel about this? Libby? Libya

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Speaker 3: is quite cool by the way. You can't see Libby,

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Speaker 3: but she's got like a like a kind of like scandy,

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Speaker 3: urban like nit vibe about her. So I don't feel

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Speaker 3: like this is your vibe.

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Speaker 26: I love a bit of Hillary Duff because I grew

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Speaker 26: up in the Lizzie McGuire era.

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Speaker 3: What do you listen to now?

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Speaker 2: Though?

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Speaker 26: Modernly I don't really she doesn't feature on my playlists

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Speaker 26: these days.

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Speaker 3: I feel like indie bands are your vibe.

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Speaker 19: I could do that.

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Speaker 26: I could do a bit of everything.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I can put it down. Well, if the cool

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Speaker 3: one definitely, like none of us are cool, like Liby

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Speaker 3: is cool. So if the cool one in this group

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Speaker 3: is loving what's her name again, Lizzie McGuire, Hillary Duff, yeah,

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Speaker 3: that one. Then you know it's not half bad, but

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Speaker 3: you judge for yourself. You never listen We'll see you tomorrow.

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