1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:05,600 Speaker 1: Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Exceptional marketing for 2 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: every property. 3 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 2: Hurdle with me this evening, Allie Jones read PR Tim 4 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 2: Wilson maximums. Shoot, how are you too good? 5 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 3: A we Ali? 6 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 2: What do you make of the government's plan to save 7 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 2: the media? 8 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:18,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's really interesting, isn't it. I've been listening to 9 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:21,760 Speaker 4: a bit about this today. I do wonder though, whether 10 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 4: what's happened overseas, because a lot of those media organizations 11 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 4: are big, the well resourced, I've got a lot of money, 12 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:34,199 Speaker 4: whether they are stronger when it comes to bargaining with 13 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 4: the tech giants and getting those agreements together, and what 14 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 4: that's going to mean for some of our smaller media organizations. 15 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:45,599 Speaker 4: I think it's positive. I think we have to do this. 16 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:48,159 Speaker 4: We're way behind the rest of the world, and I 17 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 4: just do not understand David seem comments today about not 18 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 4: supporting the bill running. He sounds dangerously uninformed. I think, 19 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 4: but look, we've got to do it. But I do 20 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 4: worry about what power those media media organizations in New Zettoway. 21 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 2: It might come back to you on that, Tim, What 22 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 2: do you think? 23 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 3: Yeah, look, I think it's well meaning I don't know 24 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:11,040 Speaker 3: how successful it all successful it'll be. In Australia it's 25 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 3: been a bit of a mixed bag. It has favored 26 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 3: big entity smaller newsrooms have collapsed. Money has come in, 27 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 3: but then they've tried to renegotiate it. Essentially, that's the 28 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 3: news bug. I think it's the fair Bargaining Code. That's 29 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 3: what it's called. In Australia. It's produced mixed results. My 30 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 3: thing actually is the support for shortenand Street. So this 31 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 3: is a soap opera whose peak was in nineteen ninety 32 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 3: five is now being put on life support by the government. 33 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 3: That seems strange. 34 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 2: It's to preserve the acting industry, I think, Allie, okay, 35 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 2: I want to come back to you on David Seymore's comments. 36 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 2: So David's point, judging by the statement that he's put out, 37 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 2: is that this has the potential to backfire massively in 38 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 2: the same way that it has in Canada. We've got 39 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 2: the small publishers who now that they don't have Facebook 40 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 2: caause Facebook's banned all news right in Canada, being the 41 00:01:57,920 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 2: dicks that they are, frankly, they've had a bit of 42 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 2: a pout band or news. Small publishers have a drop 43 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 2: off now of seventy five percent in the clicks that 44 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 2: they're getting. They are now not making money and shutting down. 45 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 2: That is the potential that we face. Is that not 46 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 2: something to be worried about. 47 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 4: Not having? It is something to be worried about. But 48 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 4: I mean, what I've heard Seemore talking about today is 49 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 4: just ridiculous stuff about, oh, this is not really how 50 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 4: people traditionally want the media to be now they don't 51 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 4: want the product one off or I don't think this 52 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:25,239 Speaker 4: is going to work. I mean, I'm just hearing him 53 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 4: say stuff, but I haven't heard him talk about that specifically, 54 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 4: And of course that's got to be a concern. I 55 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 4: think we have to look at that and be very 56 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 4: cognizant of that. But I've been more concerned about some 57 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 4: of the other comments that Seymour said that just seemed 58 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 4: to be I don't know where he've. 59 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 2: Poked that interesting point, Tim, is that part of the problem. 60 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 2: Isn't that actually the stuff that's being served up by 61 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 2: the vast majority of the media in this country we 62 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 2: just don't want because it's boring. 63 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 3: I look, I think there's two issues here. There's a 64 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:54,920 Speaker 3: journalism issue and a platform issue, And what's clear is 65 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 3: that platforms are eroding. Is journalism eroding? There's some argument 66 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 3: for that with a number of journals it's working declines. 67 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 3: But that stuff, I guess, those kinds of discussions about 68 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:08,519 Speaker 3: who we are, our stories, et cetera, they're migrating to 69 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 3: other platforms. And so I'm just not sure whether you 70 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 3: can fix that by legislation. Just can we get back 71 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 3: to Shortland Street because like, that's twenty million, that's twenty 72 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 3: million years. Seriously, twenty million a year. If they put 73 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 3: the money, they take that money that they're going to 74 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 3: pour into Shortland Street, now, if they put it into 75 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 3: Hunts for the Wilder People, they would have got a 76 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 3: return of almost ten times that. So I'm I mean, 77 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 3: innovation happens when other things die. Yeah, I'm that's just 78 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 3: the story of it. 79 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 2: Fair enough, fair enough, Ali, I want you to think 80 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 2: about whether it's worth saving Shorty Street to get your 81 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 2: take when we come back, news Dogs'd be right, you're 82 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 2: back with the huddle. Tim Wilson, maximum of the maximum, stude, 83 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 2: Allie Jones read pr right, Ali, what do you reckon? 84 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 2: Do we save Shorty Street? 85 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 4: I'm actually the enough bring that gloss fan clubs. So 86 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 4: that's my generation. Well, god, do think we shoul defined 87 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 4: by Shortland Street. I had a caught up with Justine Smith, 88 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 4: the wonderful comedian in towno's the weekend here in christ Church, 89 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 4: and one thing that I'm missing is good comedy, good 90 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 4: sketch comedy. That's what we need on Telly. 91 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:17,479 Speaker 3: Let's do that. Let's bet, let's be exactly. Let's allow 92 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 3: Shortland Street to die the death that's been dying for 93 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 3: the last twenty years and pay for some comedy some 94 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:24,279 Speaker 3: damn money. 95 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:26,600 Speaker 2: Yeah maybe so Hey, speaking of money, Tim, do you 96 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 2: reckon the three hundred and sixty five thousand dollars payout 97 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 2: for the KO boss who's basically been told to quit 98 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:33,720 Speaker 2: was too much? Or is that actually getting away lightly? 99 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:37,480 Speaker 3: Yeah? I heard you. I heard your editorial and it 100 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 3: did challenge me. I think I think he has been 101 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 3: you know, he's had sort of like they put the 102 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 3: chloroform over his mouth and it'd given him three ninety 103 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 3: five kmble see you later. I guess that's it. Is 104 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 3: it cheap? Though? I don't know. I feel I'm and 105 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 3: maybe I'm just some schmuk that works in the charitable sector. 106 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:57,479 Speaker 3: But it seems like a lot of money when the 107 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 3: Prime Minister earns for what is it already four and 108 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 3: this guy is on seven twenty one. So I'm yeah, 109 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 3: I just does seem like a lot of money to me. 110 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 3: But umistone, allie, Yeah. 111 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:12,279 Speaker 4: Look, I do agree, but I think there's a bigger 112 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:14,839 Speaker 4: issue here. I mean, I want to know where the 113 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 4: board oversight was. How did that board manage to continue 114 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,839 Speaker 4: as long as it did, clearly taking its eyes off 115 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 4: the balls. The buck stops there, and how many of 116 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:29,280 Speaker 4: those with political appointments who's been underperforming, who watches the 117 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 4: governors who you know, make sure they're doing their job. 118 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 4: So look, I do think it's a lot of money. 119 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 4: I think that they did want to get rid of him, 120 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:38,159 Speaker 4: but I think it's a very expensive way. If he's 121 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 4: not performing, then he's not performing and it needs to go. 122 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 4: He doesn't need a big fat golden handshake as well. 123 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 2: Now, but if you're going to force him to quit, right, 124 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 2: you've got to give him money. And i'd much rather 125 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 2: for you know, under four hundred as opposed to like 126 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 2: a million or two million, which is. 127 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:51,919 Speaker 4: What KPIs though. I mean, surely we've got systems in 128 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:53,840 Speaker 4: place that we can actually go well, you're not reaching 129 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 4: that that or that. 130 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:58,280 Speaker 2: No, then you have to go through the old process 131 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 2: of you know, like firing someone that takes like five 132 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 2: thousand years. 133 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, then he hires a lawyer than you are 134 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:10,279 Speaker 3: a lawyer. Blah blah blast. But having heard that, having 135 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:13,039 Speaker 3: said that, I think you, Ellie makes a really important point, 136 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 3: which is that we need to see how this process. 137 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 3: We actually need to see this played out, rather than 138 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 3: you know, it's like they're there. Just if you go 139 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 3: to sleep, we'll give you three ninety five. You've been 140 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:22,279 Speaker 3: a good boy. 141 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 2: Fair enough. Listen, Allie, tell me what you think. Okay. 142 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:27,159 Speaker 2: Keir Starmer, the guy who's most likely going to be 143 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 2: the UK Prime minister by Friday, says he's not going 144 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 2: to work past six o'clock on Fridays because he wants 145 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 2: to spend the evening with he with his kids. Is 146 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 2: that realistic if he's in a big job like he 147 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 2: might be. 148 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 4: No, it's absolutely nonsense. I mean, what a stupid thing 149 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:44,600 Speaker 4: to say. It's a nice idea, it's deluded. I think 150 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 4: anyone who goes into a job like that. I remember 151 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 4: when we lean deeldell came in his mare and crime 152 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 4: situmen I was at the council. He said, I won't 153 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 4: be having reports that are any longer than two pages 154 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:57,280 Speaker 4: that lasted a week. Some of the nice ideas, but 155 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 4: actually that's just it's not yep, Tim. 156 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, look, I admire IM valuing his family, but the 157 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:08,599 Speaker 3: fact is that you say you come home to dinner 158 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 3: at five o'clock, then you go back to work at 159 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 3: eight o'clock. That's the way it works. And also the teenagers, 160 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 3: I don't want to hang out. You want to hang 161 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 3: out with Debt. They don't want to hang out with 162 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 3: dev No he's deluted. Yeah exactly. But can I just say, 163 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 3: I've got four Philistines on the rampage. 164 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 2: I've got to go. It's almost I'm sorry, sorry, Okay, 165 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:28,239 Speaker 2: you go get to get the KI into their faces. Guys, 166 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Alie Jones, Tim Wilson Our huddles. 167 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 1: For more from Hither duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to 168 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 1: news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow 169 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.