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Speaker 3: Hello, a busy week on the front foot, India. Make
Speaker 3: a bold statement in Perth. We aren't out of World
Speaker 3: Test Championship just yet. England wom up and Queenstown for
Speaker 3: the first Test of the three against the black Caps,
Speaker 3: and we remember forty six years ago Goodness met another
Speaker 3: first for our cricketers. First Test went over England after
Speaker 3: forty eight years and forty eight tests trying nineteen seventy eight.
Speaker 3: Jeremy Joney, you didn't play in that game, but you're
Speaker 3: going to be there watching just like me.
Speaker 5: I was once Hello to you at I do remember
Speaker 5: it was a bitterly cold couple of first days and
Speaker 5: then I caught There was a rest day I think
Speaker 5: in that Test match, and then I caught the important
Speaker 5: day when New Zealand had to bowl in England out
Speaker 5: and I was there for that too.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think we'll be talking about a little bit
Speaker 3: later on because a good friend of yours, Rock Collins,
Speaker 3: just going to join us again. He was part of
Speaker 3: that Test match. Played a significant goal too, didn't he.
Speaker 6: Yeah he did.
Speaker 5: He got important wickets I think three in the first
Speaker 5: and certainly we all remember the first one of the
Speaker 5: second lot of three in the second innings.
Speaker 6: Of course, Boycott.
Speaker 5: That's quite a sort of an image of New Zealand cricket,
Speaker 5: isn't it. They had hinted winning games New Zealand and
Speaker 5: seventy three member Trent Bridge and then Lords, but that was.
Speaker 6: Five years earlier. Finally they got this one at the Basin.
Speaker 3: Yep, and it was well achieved. There was a bit
Speaker 3: of puttying after that one as well. We'll get some
Speaker 3: reminiscences from Rock Collins a little later in the program. Boy,
Speaker 3: what an interesting week in Perth, Jeriett. I didn't expect
Speaker 3: that outcome. I didn't expect New Zealand to beat India
Speaker 3: three nil in their series, and I certainly didn't expect
Speaker 3: India to walop Australia. I mean That is embarrassing, humiliating
Speaker 3: defeat for the Aussies, isn't it?
Speaker 6: Massive?
Speaker 5: Margined, massive, Australia flogged really and all the more galling,
Speaker 5: I guess because they were ahead in the game after
Speaker 5: bowling India out on day one for one hundred and fifties,
Speaker 5: so they were in a good position and then Boomer
Speaker 5: came to town, didn't he. I suppose the first thing
Speaker 5: you'd say about that Australia took India to purse with
Speaker 5: one reason. That was to bounce them out hard, to
Speaker 5: score heaps and win conclusively and get India down very
Speaker 5: early on in the tour they were missing a few players,
Speaker 5: and then take them to the day night a pinkball
Speaker 5: game at Adelaide, which is Aussie side know pretty well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Aussies looked pretty insipid with the ball. The
Speaker 3: first day they were fine, they looked as so they
Speaker 3: had a bit of paste and energy. The three paste
Speaker 3: ballers did the job. But from then on in after
Speaker 3: they were rolled for one hundred and four, they didn't
Speaker 3: really play a part, did they.
Speaker 6: It was really I suppose.
Speaker 5: First of all, that first day with all those wickets falling,
Speaker 5: I think it was the sort of the past reputation
Speaker 5: of the cracks right throughout this optus pit, and I
Speaker 5: think the ground staff probably were a bit concerned about that,
Speaker 5: and so they added water to prevent them drying out
Speaker 5: and being exposed. And that meant the first day was
Speaker 5: kind of wickets on steroids, wasn't it really? But from
Speaker 5: that first moment when India and Boomera in particular started
Speaker 5: to claim wickets, the Aussies looked a bit lost, didn't
Speaker 5: they sort of that there was a sign posted up
Speaker 5: lost the plot, you know, and if anyone finds the plot,
Speaker 5: please come to the Australian dressing room and ask for
Speaker 5: pat you know.
Speaker 6: It was one of those.
Speaker 5: But and then India sort of built, you know, a
Speaker 5: handi lead they had, and then Jase Wall and Raha
Speaker 5: Kal Rahul had that lovely, you know, really a match
Speaker 5: winning partnership.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Jess World didn't really show that much against
Speaker 3: the news inders and home conditions, did he had one
Speaker 3: good score. We didn't see anything from any of their
Speaker 3: batsmen to a great degree. And you hear the commentators
Speaker 3: talking about how poor the pictures were during that series
Speaker 3: of Da Da Da Da Dada. Why don't they just
Speaker 3: acknowledge that New Zealand were better.
Speaker 6: Well they were. I mean, you know, those.
Speaker 5: People who've followed the game a lot, they will know
Speaker 5: the answer to those things. They just didn't play very well.
Speaker 5: India and New Zealand were in.
Speaker 6: Those three tests.
Speaker 5: So yeah, I thought Jaceell gives you a bit of
Speaker 5: a chance, doesn't he. He's but he's very attacking. But
Speaker 5: I don't think we should forget those just those good
Speaker 5: leaving the ball and forward and back defense that kept
Speaker 5: him going. I thought Rahul kept him going too, having
Speaker 5: a chat to him a lot and keeping him you know,
Speaker 5: steering him if you.
Speaker 6: Like as well.
Speaker 5: No frozen feet from those two. They had their feet
Speaker 5: going forward or back. I thought Rahul played pretty well actually,
Speaker 5: and they went right through Day two and into Day
Speaker 5: three and then Coley. You know, there was a few
Speaker 5: contributions from other players, but Coley then very professional and
Speaker 5: good timing and kept off a great Day three for India.
Speaker 5: And then of course Bumra came back again and what
Speaker 5: were Ossie three down at the end of the day
Speaker 5: and they must have just they must have just felt humiliated, really,
Speaker 5: I mean, they're normally a very clinical kind of side.
Speaker 5: But I don't know what you thought. But the site
Speaker 5: of Laboshine, you know, the designated bouncer man at one
Speaker 5: hundred and thirty k's in.
Speaker 6: The twenty fifth over while you could still see the
Speaker 6: ball was still new.
Speaker 5: And then later in the day bowling legs spin around
Speaker 5: the wicket, bowling a negative line and getting called for wides.
Speaker 5: I mean the field was just strewn around the boundary.
Speaker 5: It was bewilderment right across the field, it seemed to me.
Speaker 3: And you talked about that's when Australia looked most at loss.
Speaker 3: You see somebody like Lavishee who is pretty much an
Speaker 3: organized batsman, or has been. He's out of touch with
Speaker 3: the bat too, isn't He doesn't look as though he's
Speaker 3: you know, he used to walk out with the bats
Speaker 3: swinging and he scored thirty by the time he got
Speaker 3: to the middle. He doesn't look like that now, as
Speaker 3: though the confidence has gone out of his demeanor.
Speaker 5: I don't think that bowling and know all that sort
Speaker 5: of stuff really helps him either. I think just get
Speaker 5: on with your batting manus. You know, he's always busy
Speaker 5: in the park. He's a good fielder. But yeah, I
Speaker 5: agree with you, I really.
Speaker 6: You couldn't see that.
Speaker 5: It's rather tortuous first innings where he just couldn't he
Speaker 5: as if he wasn't interested in scoring at all and
Speaker 5: I do it lo wasn't easy. And then in the
Speaker 5: second innings to come out and pad it off to
Speaker 5: a ball on middle and off.
Speaker 6: Is unlikely.
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, it's unusual also for a player
Speaker 5: who was the number one batsman in the world.
Speaker 3: Sides have had situations like this. How do you get
Speaker 3: out of it? How do you overcome what has been
Speaker 3: a humiliation? Australians don't like being beaten, but they don't
Speaker 3: like being fresh on their own property, do they.
Speaker 5: Oh, they'll hate it and there will be plenty of discussions,
Speaker 5: you can be sure, certainly in the media. And they'll
Speaker 5: spring into action, won't they. I'm no doubt they've probably
Speaker 5: started and people will be demanding, you know, three or
Speaker 5: four changes.
Speaker 6: That won't happen.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, but Ossie, they won't put up with
Speaker 5: a side losing like that. They're generally a well prepared
Speaker 5: and planned team. They usually teams give a side a
Speaker 5: couple of tests, don't they As a minimum they've got
Speaker 5: ten or twelve days now to get back, they've got
Speaker 5: to get back to some great cricket. Wise, great cricket
Speaker 5: is quite strong in Australia, and I would have thought
Speaker 5: players like Labrashine for example, you know, would get back
Speaker 5: and they'd try and get just back to the autist
Speaker 5: getting some rhythm about being a batsman once again.
Speaker 6: You know, they do have some problems, don't they.
Speaker 5: Did you see that graphic that came up at one
Speaker 5: stage where it showed you all the kind of collapses
Speaker 5: of the top order in the last seven tests or
Speaker 5: something like that.
Speaker 6: They were four to sixteen.
Speaker 5: Against Yeah, and New Zealand were there five for eighty
Speaker 5: remember that five for eighty in christ Church, six for
Speaker 5: forty odd and then the first innings and then five
Speaker 5: for seventy and the second in this latest test.
Speaker 6: So they've had a few.
Speaker 5: It's starting to become a bit of a pattern and
Speaker 5: that will be concerning. But it's the Kowaja, the new
Speaker 5: opener to replace, to replace Warner, Lover, Shane and Smooth. Yes,
Speaker 5: they need those guys to start to get back to
Speaker 5: the way that they were playing.
Speaker 6: They will say that.
Speaker 5: Smith started to show a few nascent signs and the
Speaker 5: second innings. They will say Head supplied a bit of
Speaker 5: hope in that second innings. I'll say Mitchell Marsh did
Speaker 5: a bit of the same. I'll say Stark and Hazelwood
Speaker 5: were okay with the ball. Cummings didn't look himself, did he.
Speaker 5: I didn't think he really provided much threat at all.
Speaker 5: But they are pretty good with the pink ball. They
Speaker 5: haven't lost a Test with the pink ball in Adelaide,
Speaker 5: so I wouldn't be surprised if Oz do a lot
Speaker 5: better there.
Speaker 3: Yes, well, David Waller of course has joined the cheerleaders
Speaker 3: now and they're not too concerned. These guys will pull
Speaker 3: themselves out of it. Apparently the television commentators are right
Speaker 3: in behind them and earning their money for hyping up
Speaker 3: the game. And you know nothing is beyond this side,
Speaker 3: so we will have to wait and see. One fan
Speaker 3: didn't take too kindly to the way the Australians playing
Speaker 3: right on a cricket site. Australia look an old sider
Speaker 3: in the match, which I guess with only one player
Speaker 3: in their twenties is exactly what they are. Once the
Speaker 3: likes of Stark, Lion, Kawadru and Smith go they left
Speaker 3: to go through a rebuilding phase. Well, I've never really
Speaker 3: had troubled rebuilding. Are they too old?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 5: Some of these guys, you know, you do lose a
Speaker 5: bit of pace, although I didn't see their pace was
Speaker 5: down dramatically, did you know? I thought actually start looked
Speaker 5: quite good in that first innings. Who got the next players? Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5: I thought he looked okay. I mean he's always been
Speaker 5: a player that has offered up a few drives and
Speaker 5: things like that because he's searching for wickets, and you
Speaker 5: couldn't blame him, I don't think from that if there
Speaker 5: was anything, I thought the Aussies just bolder but short
Speaker 5: and the ball was going over the stumps rather than
Speaker 5: clattering into the top of them. But I don't know.
Speaker 5: They've got people like Spencer Johnson, haven't they. There's a
Speaker 5: name that occurs to.
Speaker 6: Me and Boland. Boland's been around.
Speaker 3: For a while.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Nissa. Nissa is another one.
Speaker 3: The other player who I don't know what's happened to him.
Speaker 3: And you may know I've been searching Cameron Green. Where's he?
Speaker 3: Is he injured?
Speaker 6: Is he he's injured? Once taken?
Speaker 3: Is he okay? Yeah? Yeah, I mean he to me
Speaker 3: was the next best thing, wasn't he He's going about
Speaker 3: at four and really take control of that. So and
Speaker 3: of course he was a bowler as well.
Speaker 5: So and knowing those ossie players, they'll close their ranks
Speaker 5: as more and more of the media and everything on
Speaker 5: social media comes around, they'll close their ranks and they'll
Speaker 5: circle the wagons and they'll say they'll think that no
Speaker 5: one thinks we're any good, you know, but you know,
Speaker 5: we'll show them. You know, take a deep breath, everybody,
Speaker 5: And I think that'll be.
Speaker 6: The way they take that'll be the way they take it.
Speaker 5: If they had been all out for one hundred in
Speaker 5: that second innings, then it might have been slightly different,
Speaker 5: but they got so running likely yeah it was for
Speaker 5: a while, You're absolutely right, But boy, I mean, it
Speaker 5: wasn't Boomra outstanding. I mean, here's something about that guy.
Speaker 6: The key breakthroughs early on.
Speaker 5: And then India coming out and as I say, having
Speaker 5: that great second innings and then Boomera once again at
Speaker 5: the end of the day, and then boomer as soon
Speaker 5: as head gets going back he comes claims the wicket.
Speaker 6: He was just fantastic.
Speaker 5: And even some of the other guys I mean the
Speaker 5: guy Ready, the guy Rana. They all played their pieces,
Speaker 5: didn't they And even the catching. Look, how could Ozzie
Speaker 5: have fifty extras? How could Ozzie have fifty extras? I
Speaker 5: mean they were out caught that that lovely catch at batpad?
Speaker 5: Did you see that one by the ex keeper that
Speaker 5: Durell up the off of Stark, really good catch at
Speaker 5: short short leg. They were just better and you've got
Speaker 5: to accept that some days, but then do something about it.
Speaker 5: So that's the Aussies have got ten to twelve days,
Speaker 5: so let's and there's four more tests, so let's let's
Speaker 5: not rush, but well done in near third to start
Speaker 5: that series, so emphatically.
Speaker 6: Brian Waddell, Jeremy Coney on the front foot.
Speaker 3: We've got a Test match in christ you'll be ending
Speaker 3: down there shortly. We haven't heard too much from the
Speaker 3: New Zealand camp, but we did hear an interview with
Speaker 3: the coach of the side, Gary Stead. Basically he was
Speaker 3: intimating four seamers. There won't be a front line spinner
Speaker 3: because they didn't pick one, and it seems of course
Speaker 3: that Phillips is going to play, which means there's no
Speaker 3: room or going to be no room for Will Young
Speaker 3: unless they make some other adjustment. Now I find that
Speaker 3: very harsh on Young. Whatever you've got within your side.
Speaker 3: He's a form player. He's just dominated a series against
Speaker 3: one of the best sides in the world and yet
Speaker 3: he could be sitting on the bench carrying the drinks.
Speaker 3: That is going to be tough on somebody like Will Young,
Speaker 3: but he seems to be able to accept it and
Speaker 3: move on.
Speaker 6: Well, he doesn't really have much choice, does he.
Speaker 5: That's his jobs to play when he's selected. Yeah, I
Speaker 5: would have thought to me, as you know from last week,
Speaker 5: I thought Young ought to be it was about his time.
Speaker 5: It was going to be unlucky on whoever was left out,
Speaker 5: and in my case I left Glenn Phillips out.
Speaker 6: But he's done a good job.
Speaker 5: And probably the weakness of my selection of leaving him
Speaker 5: out was you know, so no one's going to get
Speaker 5: the use of his part time off he's although how
Speaker 5: much is that necessary at Hagley that's another question. But
Speaker 5: the use of him at Gully. He's a good gully field,
Speaker 5: isn't he. He takes some terrific catchers there and you know
Speaker 5: the selectors may go that way. But to me, the
Speaker 5: gains of young outweigh the few overs that Phillips may
Speaker 5: bowl and he's unlikely to get turned there.
Speaker 6: He's unlikely to get significant bounce.
Speaker 5: And the fact of it is, personally, I think the
Speaker 5: four seamers are going to be.
Speaker 6: The ones who win you the game.
Speaker 5: With the catching behind the wicket, those are the two
Speaker 5: important parts.
Speaker 6: With Hagley so.
Speaker 3: And then it's going to be a decision on who
Speaker 3: they choose as the fourth seemer, whether it's Nathan Smith
Speaker 3: or whether it's Jacob Duffy. I'm inclined to go for
Speaker 3: a Smith younger man has batting options as well, probably
Speaker 3: a bit of batsman than Duffy, and is a player
Speaker 3: who's had some good level cricket in recent times. He's
Speaker 3: been to Shrilanka of course with the one day side,
Speaker 3: which probably made it tough for him to prepare for
Speaker 3: a Test match. But he played a good role in
Speaker 3: the worcestersh County side during the off season until he
Speaker 3: got injured, so that would be my selection, apart from
Speaker 3: the fact that he plays for Wellington.
Speaker 5: I thought you might mention that in o eenthasies we
Speaker 5: should turn up watch and see a green pitch. I
Speaker 5: think that's how New Zealanders set up. Runs are going
Speaker 5: to be important again, that sort of hints slightly at young.
Speaker 5: England are likely to score faster and if New Zealand
Speaker 5: are good enough, they'll use that extra time that England
Speaker 5: supply them, you know, with the faster run rate and
Speaker 5: that sort of thing. The bowling for England, I'm interested
Speaker 5: to see that they've chosen threes in their squad. That's
Speaker 5: quite interesting from them because I mean, really to have
Speaker 5: three spinners plus Root and Bethel, who's another new Man
Speaker 5: who's a left arm orthodox seems a wee bit excessive,
Speaker 5: doesn't it for New Zealand conditions at this time of year.
Speaker 5: They've got obviously seamers from the fast bowlers. They've got
Speaker 5: Atkinson we know about him, a good bowler, relatively quick, cass,
Speaker 5: strong bowler from up in the north.
Speaker 6: Only had a couple of tests Ollie Stone.
Speaker 5: New Zealand have played against them when they were over
Speaker 5: in England a couple of tours ago and of course Stokes,
Speaker 5: so that seems to be there, you know. Seam bowling
Speaker 5: contingent Dasher seems to be their choice for a spinner,
Speaker 5: although they've got other ones there.
Speaker 6: I wonder who'll drag this attack along once? You know?
Speaker 5: For England, I mean last two of they had Broad
Speaker 5: and Anderson, didn't they and Robinson and they.
Speaker 6: Had Leech as well.
Speaker 5: Who's back again from Spinner and who will do that?
Speaker 5: I mean Cassess has had two tests, Atkinson had's had eight,
Speaker 5: Potts has had nine, and then Wokees has had fifty five.
Speaker 6: Now, the only thing I would say.
Speaker 5: About quotes well exactly. But then you look at his
Speaker 5: record with the kooker Borough ball. Here are the averages
Speaker 5: for you in Australia when he's used the kooker Borough
Speaker 5: he averages fifty one. In New Zealand, he averages fifty
Speaker 5: in Pakistan, fifty five in South Africa. These are all
Speaker 5: places where you use the kooker Borough ball. South Africa
Speaker 5: fifty six and the West Indies forty eight.
Speaker 6: So there's a common kind of scene there.
Speaker 5: He may do well, it may all suddenly change, but
Speaker 5: that's what he's done so far. So it's an interesting
Speaker 5: one though, isn't it.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 6: What will happen on the front foot with Waddle and Cody.
Speaker 3: Earlier this year the seventy three Black Caps reunited to
Speaker 3: celebrate their first ever win over Australia this year. It's
Speaker 3: the first win over England that brings the players together
Speaker 3: at Hagley, although the win was at the base in
Speaker 3: reserve at the time forty eight years forty eight tests
Speaker 3: and Richard Collins played both the Tests, the one against
Speaker 3: Australia and the one against England and he joins on
Speaker 3: the front foot again. Nice to have you back, Rock
Speaker 3: and you'll be in the country to celebrate that win
Speaker 3: with your teammates.
Speaker 2: Yes, Brian, thank you for inviting you to your show.
Speaker 2: Always lovely to have a chat with you. Yes, there's
Speaker 2: eight of us going to be at Hagley Oval for
Speaker 2: the first black Caps English Test, and I think the
Speaker 2: only ones winning are not coming beef of Coln and
Speaker 2: of course who has passed on. Jeff House is living
Speaker 2: in England, probably a bit far for him to come,
Speaker 2: Mark Burgess and John Parker the two middle or the batsman,
Speaker 2: but the rest of us are going to be there.
Speaker 2: So it's really exciting, I think from my point of
Speaker 2: view to catch up twice with teammates in one year.
Speaker 2: So I'm sure we're going to We're going to have
Speaker 2: a good time, you've.
Speaker 3: Been a regular rotender at test matches and at functions
Speaker 3: back here in Gzilla, even though you live in Sydney.
Speaker 3: It's important to you to retain those old relationships that
Speaker 3: you built up over the cricket time.
Speaker 2: Oh. Yes, absolutely, Brian. But I think that I think
Speaker 2: it was Stephen Box said when we had the reunion
Speaker 2: for the seventy four when and he saw us all
Speaker 2: together and we had a night out and the eight
Speaker 2: boys had a night out, and he said, well, look,
Speaker 2: I think with our advancing years, we've got to make
Speaker 2: the best of every opportunity. And every time an opportunity
Speaker 2: arises and we can, we get together. So I think
Speaker 2: that's the sort of pack that the boys have made.
Speaker 2: So no, no, it's very important. And you find that
Speaker 2: you really carry on from where you left off last time,
Speaker 2: such as the friendships that you made.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they were major victories for New Zealand, the
Speaker 3: first one over Australia and then the first one over England.
Speaker 3: Is one more memorable than the other to you?
Speaker 6: Or?
Speaker 3: Are they both pretty high up there and the list
Speaker 3: of cricket memories, Oh, they're both.
Speaker 2: Very high up I think with the Australians their batting
Speaker 2: lineup to lock them over twice in the caliber their
Speaker 2: batting lineup, I think was a pretty exceptional effort. I
Speaker 2: think that the end England one. There's probably the two
Speaker 2: tests and seventy three. We had a pretty good chance
Speaker 2: of winning those ones and just sort of failed at
Speaker 2: final hurdle. So that was also a very important win
Speaker 2: in that you know that waited that long to beat England,
Speaker 2: but it was. But you've kind of remember that when
Speaker 2: we beat Australia, it was only the sixth official test
Speaker 2: between the two nations because take out the forty six game.
Speaker 2: They really didn't play chess cricket against US till seventy
Speaker 2: three four seasons, so that was only the sixth test.
Speaker 2: So for the England one was of course many more.
Speaker 3: My abiding memory of that seventy eight test, because I
Speaker 3: was working doing interviews and sitting on the bank at
Speaker 3: the time, was your dismissal of Jeffrey Boycott. The base
Speaker 3: in reserve erupted when you knocked over his poll. Is
Speaker 3: that one memory out of all the others, or is
Speaker 3: there other significant moments in that test that you recall.
Speaker 2: Well, I think that was probably fairly important in the
Speaker 2: sense that Jeffrey had added for I think well over
Speaker 2: or just over seven hours for seventy odd in the
Speaker 2: first innings. There were plenty of time left in the Test,
Speaker 2: and it was probably very important that we did knock
Speaker 2: him over early because he didn't mind batting for long
Speaker 2: periods of time and didn't mind not scoring for three,
Speaker 2: four or five others. You know, he just stuck it
Speaker 2: out and he probably saw you, well, it was well up.
Speaker 2: It was probably York or just about york a length
Speaker 2: and he probably thought, oh, kias, I'll just whipped us
Speaker 2: through the on side. But he played across it and misted,
Speaker 2: of course in the rest of history. So that was
Speaker 2: a very sort of important start for us, I think.
Speaker 2: And then I got couple there wasn't Teff Miller and
Speaker 2: Jerry Randle, and then of course I was bowling into
Speaker 2: fairly stiff southerly and then I thought, well, I'm sort
Speaker 2: of in the naked here, so we let the other
Speaker 2: Richard loose from the other end and barrel through them.
Speaker 2: So it was a sort of good combined effort.
Speaker 3: There was a personal milestone too, and that for you.
Speaker 3: I know that crickets don't necessarily live on personal milestones,
Speaker 3: But it was the Test match where you took your
Speaker 3: hundredth Test wicket, which was an achievement because we didn't
Speaker 3: have too many players with one hundred Test wickets in
Speaker 3: those days, did we?
Speaker 2: No, No, there was. I think Dick Montz was the
Speaker 2: first one and he ended with one hundred, and then
Speaker 2: Bruce Taylor went to one hundred and eleven, and then
Speaker 2: I went to one hundred and sixteen I think it was,
Speaker 2: and then Richard Hadley went to zoolans fanfuls of us all,
Speaker 2: didn't he?
Speaker 3: Yes, indeed, is there really one point in that Test
Speaker 3: match where you had it one? And I know you
Speaker 3: know that the ebb and flow of that game was
Speaker 3: such there wasn't a lot of runs scored. Was there
Speaker 3: any one point that you could sit back and say, oh,
Speaker 3: we've finally got them.
Speaker 2: Ian Botham was the one man that can because he'd
Speaker 2: got to He ended up getting one hundred and close
Speaker 2: to it. He could really turn a game and we
Speaker 2: and when he was run out, I thought, well, I
Speaker 2: think we might really be able to knock these guys
Speaker 2: over now, and that's what happened.
Speaker 3: There was a controversial Test to some extent. It was
Speaker 3: a controversial series for a couple of reasons. One of
Speaker 3: the controversies, and it's lived on, was the non dismissal
Speaker 3: of John Wright in the first over. Do you remember
Speaker 3: that where he supposedly nick one behind, was given not
Speaker 3: out and then beat it all day for fifty five Yes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he a bit of a smile on his face
Speaker 2: about that one. I think it was one of the
Speaker 2: early balls and the test wasn't it. It's not the
Speaker 2: first I can't remember now.
Speaker 3: I think he likes talking about it now but doesn't
Speaker 3: concede too much.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, he doesn't give too much away. But well,
Speaker 2: let's say we had our suspicions.
Speaker 3: On his last trip to New Zealand. I didn't want
Speaker 3: to miss the chance to ask boys about the nineteen
Speaker 3: seventy eight tiest and the non dismissal of John Right.
Speaker 3: And he was quite generous.
Speaker 4: The pitch was different, It was facing a different way.
Speaker 4: The wind came straight down that ginnel. Yeah, one of
Speaker 4: your really forceful wins. Be wore terrible bawling into it.
Speaker 4: We had a poor pitch, I'll put you in. It
Speaker 4: was damp, it was poor, and I'll always remember a
Speaker 4: good friend of mine, I helpe you're listening in all
Speaker 4: your naughty boy John Ray first no, first ball, well,
Speaker 4: first love, the first ball at the first over of
Speaker 4: the day in his first Test match, blatant a glove
Speaker 4: to the keeper you've ever seen in your life. And
Speaker 4: if the umpire is still alive today or gave him
Speaker 4: not out, he should be a shame.
Speaker 7: And he went and got fifty yard and he the
Speaker 7: tests better all day.
Speaker 4: It was a difficult pitch I've had a long time
Speaker 4: for my seventy seven was it for England in the
Speaker 4: first he was very difficult. And I'm telling you I
Speaker 4: saw him because I know him well. He played at Derbyshire.
Speaker 4: To come and ask me about Batten years later. It
Speaker 4: was about a few years ago when he was in
Speaker 4: India as the coach there, and we sat in one
Speaker 4: of the lounges and seen him many times since, and
Speaker 4: he admitted he said definitely different.
Speaker 7: Of course I loved it, but he said it was
Speaker 7: my first Test match. I couldn't I couldn't go, I said,
Speaker 7: you bastard. I said, you won the Test match for
Speaker 7: him all that time fifty five he said.
Speaker 4: But he couldn't expect me to go in my first
Speaker 4: Test match, and yeah he was and he got he
Speaker 4: got My wife drug that night and all and read
Speaker 4: wine against you absolutely puddled and she never is to see.
Speaker 3: The thing is, would you have done exactly the same
Speaker 3: if you'd been given not out on first his match?
Speaker 7: No, I always went when the umpire put.
Speaker 3: His fingers, he didn't put his finger out. You'll also
Speaker 3: remember Richard Collins Rock. I seen him, yeah, and he
Speaker 3: was a good bowler. He was a good bowler because
Speaker 3: he was just the perfect delivery to get you on
Speaker 3: the other cage, wasn't it.
Speaker 4: Yeah it was a good ball. He the second in
Speaker 4: is he he nearly yorked me. He kind of bowled
Speaker 4: into my pads and he cannoned off my pads onto.
Speaker 7: The stump, so I was out bowled. But he was
Speaker 7: a good bowler.
Speaker 4: I played against him in England as well, and I mean,
Speaker 4: even without the greatness of Richard Hadley, he was a
Speaker 4: good bowler because he was tall. He was hefty, strong, strong,
Speaker 4: bowl fairly lively pace. He wasn't medium pace, he was
Speaker 4: quite sharp. But I mean your two left armies you've
Speaker 4: got now, I mean Richard Dwarfs then.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he was a good bowler.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean you had a good side because he
Speaker 4: we had a poor batt inside.
Speaker 7: I took over as captain. Of course it wasn't my side.
Speaker 4: He was really really broke his arm in the in
Speaker 4: a practice match in Pakistan Seecanda bat he jumped over
Speaker 4: a length hit him on the arm.
Speaker 7: He had to go home.
Speaker 4: He missed the last Test in Karachi, had to take
Speaker 4: over for and then we came here for three Test matches.
Speaker 4: And I always say that our bowling was good. We
Speaker 4: had both of them. We had Bob Willis who was
Speaker 4: a good bowler. We had Chris old or Mike Hendrick.
Speaker 4: We had Phillip Edmonds who was a good bowler. Truculent, difficult, awkward,
Speaker 4: so and so, but he was a good bowler. It's
Speaker 4: our batting. We had a young kid gatting then. He
Speaker 4: was only about seventeen eighteen. They used to bring one
Speaker 4: on tour and other thought would be good and if
Speaker 4: and heshed up being good playing Test crickey.
Speaker 7: But he was a young kid. I think we had
Speaker 7: Randall yeah, because.
Speaker 4: Chatfield rope sadly he died a couple of years ago, but.
Speaker 3: Brian rosebro wasn't here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and rule wasn't it wasn't strong about the shorts stuff,
Speaker 4: and so we were we were a bit wobbling.
Speaker 3: He had a fairly good young player and a guy
Speaker 3: called both of them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but he was an all around I said, he's
Speaker 4: a wonderful bowler. But our butting was that he got
Speaker 4: a hundred did and then christ the next the testing crisis,
Speaker 4: which we won.
Speaker 7: But we really we really were like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I mean, you probably have to accept
Speaker 3: the fact that somebody getting you out on the base
Speaker 3: reserve here for normally is not one I'm sorry, I
Speaker 3: actually got off the mark. It was one of the
Speaker 3: biggest moments here at the base Reserve. You have to
Speaker 3: realize that for ten years after that was replayed it
Speaker 3: was cricket over and over again because it was it
Speaker 3: was a It was a big moment for us here
Speaker 3: in New Zealand. The great Jeffrey Boycott was out bowled
Speaker 3: by Collins and we won the tea.
Speaker 4: Well, yes, I think if I'd have made runs we
Speaker 4: would have had a chance.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was only one hundred and thirty seven.
Speaker 7: You were chosing.
Speaker 4: I mean, I said afterwards at the conference with the media. Look,
Speaker 4: if I had to do anything again, even without John
Speaker 4: staying there, you know when he loved it for nought
Speaker 4: and then went on and made fifty. If you had
Speaker 4: to make one hundred and thirty in the fourth innings
Speaker 4: of a test, I mean nine times out of ten,
Speaker 4: you'd take that, wouldn't you.
Speaker 7: I mean, you know you should get that.
Speaker 4: Maybe you'd be five down, six down, but you'd think, hallo,
Speaker 4: one of us get fifty. And then you scratch around
Speaker 4: each for ten years and ten there and a few
Speaker 4: buys and leg bye, you'd get over somehow. But they
Speaker 4: weren't very good batting. And Richard was a great bowler.
Speaker 4: Richard Hardley was a truly great bowler.
Speaker 3: Had any year I remember at the base reserve he
Speaker 3: had a confrontation with Wis Armstrong, who was the groundsman,
Speaker 3: and he went down to the ground shed and tried
Speaker 3: to create a discussion with were's who who promptly picked
Speaker 3: up a pitchfork and prodded it at him to push
Speaker 3: him out of the groundsman shed so that he didn't
Speaker 3: get a chance to complain about the pitch. But Jeffrey
Speaker 3: was like that, wasn't he?
Speaker 2: Yes, he certainly was the Only time that I used
Speaker 2: to visit Where's's rooms was after an earnings that Wellington
Speaker 2: had come off the field and Tails himself would wander
Speaker 2: down and have a couple of cansworth Where's and that
Speaker 2: was just a ritual that I didn't I actually hadn't
Speaker 2: heard that one of Jeffrey going down to the rooms there.
Speaker 3: I was lucky because I saw it, because that was
Speaker 3: part of my job. I had to pick up all
Speaker 3: the news stories at the time. But of course there
Speaker 3: was a news story too in christ Hitch when well
Speaker 3: He happened to be run out by one of his
Speaker 3: own players.
Speaker 2: I don't think we can use the language that was
Speaker 2: used when when he came into the crease. But it
Speaker 2: was the last session of the fourth day and really
Speaker 2: England had us on toast and all they really needed
Speaker 2: to do was score quickly in the last session, then
Speaker 2: to clear overnight and whole data balls out. Well jeff
Speaker 2: was sort of blocking around and seemed to be going
Speaker 2: for a not out and they sent I and both
Speaker 2: of them in early and he just said I'm going
Speaker 2: to run him out with a few explicives and got
Speaker 2: to the strikers ended one like a rocket to Mark
Speaker 2: Burgess and the covers took off and Geoff of course
Speaker 2: had backed up maybe a meter or so and he
Speaker 2: and beat him to the bowls end and he's run
Speaker 2: out at the at the striker's end, and so he
Speaker 2: achieved his objective. As it was, but as it was
Speaker 2: one of the memories I had from the christ There.
Speaker 3: Was also the runout of at Randall two. Wasn't there
Speaker 3: by Chet because he was backing up a man cat.
Speaker 2: That's right, it was, But there were a couple of
Speaker 2: warnings given and Derek just kept, you know, he was
Speaker 2: he was a third way down the track. They were
Speaker 2: certain game for quick runs, but Derek didn't get many
Speaker 2: because he was on his bike.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you were captained by well there was. There was
Speaker 3: Mark Burgess and Bevin Congdon were the basic leaders in
Speaker 3: the team. Congo sadly has passed on. Mark Burgess won't
Speaker 3: be there. But he was a significant part of the
Speaker 3: batting lineup of any side New Zealand carried onto the
Speaker 3: park in those days, wasn't he?
Speaker 2: It certainly was, And it's you know, shad that birds
Speaker 2: can't make it. It was always good to chat. You
Speaker 2: have a chat with him, and I believe John Parker
Speaker 2: is the one that he's another one that aren't make it.
Speaker 2: It's pretty that he couldn't. But anyway, there's eight of us.
Speaker 2: But Mark certainly was made a very good hundred of
Speaker 2: lords in the seventy three tests. In fact, there are
Speaker 2: three of them from what I can recall, Congo who
Speaker 2: made his one hundred and seventy odd, me, Big Balad
Speaker 2: and Mark. So it was excellent to watch from the
Speaker 2: balcony from our dressing room.
Speaker 3: You've been following the New zeal team even though you've
Speaker 3: been living across the Testament. You followed them pretty closely.
Speaker 3: What do you make it wrong?
Speaker 2: The reffort in India was exceptional. You know, look, look,
Speaker 2: no team has ever beaten India three zibo in the
Speaker 2: Test series and really they they really played superbly in
Speaker 2: all aspects. And with India coming over to Australia, I
Speaker 2: was sort of saying to my Australian friends that are
Speaker 2: you know this rebel? Well it won't be too much
Speaker 2: problem to you guys. You can knock him over. And
Speaker 2: when they got knocked over for one hundred and fifty,
Speaker 2: I thought, oh, jeeves, you know I picked it.
Speaker 3: What the Australian side and the reason behind it.
Speaker 2: All, they'd have to have a look at their batting.
Speaker 2: A bit with McSweeney didn't really work because they may
Speaker 2: have to give him another go and Larva Shane looked
Speaker 2: completely out of touch and didn't really seem to know
Speaker 2: what his footworks would be or where he stumps were,
Speaker 2: and so they might have to make a few changes
Speaker 2: for the second test. But in saying that, I haven't
Speaker 2: really I haven't really read much about it now.
Speaker 3: The interesting thing is, of course they always like to
Speaker 3: get during sides on the Gama pitch first up, aren't they.
Speaker 3: Well now they've got sides and they're using the bouncy
Speaker 3: pacey pitch in Western Australia and it's backfired on them,
Speaker 3: isn't it?
Speaker 2: Well it has But but then how superbly to the
Speaker 2: Indian quick spowl. You know this this boomra fello je
Speaker 2: because it goes to another level and he's just he's
Speaker 2: just particularly line and length, isn't He's at you all
Speaker 2: the time. And I was very impressed with them. And
Speaker 2: they've got this Mohamed Sami to come back as well,
Speaker 2: and they've got a couple of injured batsmen to come
Speaker 2: back in So I think India are going to get
Speaker 2: stronger in Australia, probably at the crossroads, because you've got
Speaker 2: to remember that a few of them, well most of
Speaker 2: them are in their thirties, some in their mid to
Speaker 2: late thirties, so it's time for them to start rebuilding
Speaker 2: and bringing some young ones in. So that's something they'll
Speaker 2: have to think seriously about.
Speaker 3: Well, it'll be interesting to see how that here he
Speaker 3: pins out, because of course the World Test Championship Final
Speaker 3: is on offer. In that game, Rock, I'll let you
Speaker 3: get away and rest up because you've got a fairy
Speaker 3: torrid weekend coming up with your old mates and I'm
Speaker 3: sure you'll make the most of it.
Speaker 2: We will, and we'll look after Jerry for you.
Speaker 3: So anyway, Jerry, Rock's going to look after you in
Speaker 3: christ Hitch, which will be really good. He'll keep you
Speaker 3: on the straight and narrow, as he's always done in
Speaker 3: the past.
Speaker 5: I'll tell you what I know, what Rock's looking after means,
Speaker 5: and that's not a healthy sign at all for me.
Speaker 5: The next day, I'll tell you you can't keep up
Speaker 5: with him. I tell you it's not easy at all.
Speaker 7: It was.
Speaker 6: It was good hearing him. He sounds pretty good. Actually,
Speaker 6: my word he had. He had to bowl a few
Speaker 6: overs in that game, thank heavens. He was a bit younger,
Speaker 6: I know.
Speaker 5: And that's sick and innings wads when New Zealand had
Speaker 5: to defend about one hundred and thirty five or something
Speaker 5: like that, and Rocket kept on running in from he
Speaker 5: was bowling into the breeze coming from the city end
Speaker 5: the ra of Van stand In and because because Richard
Speaker 5: Hadley was bowling down the breeze and there were only
Speaker 5: twenty seven overs in that last innings of England and
Speaker 5: Rocket and Richard Hadley bowled thirteen each.
Speaker 6: That's not a bad spell, is it. Really?
Speaker 5: It was broken I think by just the morning they
Speaker 5: didn't they bowled in the last morning, didn't on the
Speaker 5: fifth day, but there was a lot of bowling in
Speaker 5: that last last part of the day on day four,
Speaker 5: so I'm not surprised.
Speaker 6: He was knackered.
Speaker 3: Head come out over.
Speaker 6: So that's right, that's right, that's quite right. Well and yeah,
Speaker 6: well you keep.
Speaker 3: Him on the straight narrow, wander down here, enjoy quoting
Speaker 3: and we'll review the check next week.
Speaker 6: JJ. Yeah good, that'd be great fun, all right, once take.
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