1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,639 Speaker 1: Now Nicola Willison is also a way to David standing 2 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:05,160 Speaker 1: in for her as the Finance Minister. Chris Bishop, he's 3 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:09,799 Speaker 1: also the Associate Finance Minister. How's Housing Minister, Infrastructure Minister 4 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 1: and Sports minister. Is really quite exhausting, Chris. 5 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:16,599 Speaker 2: Just coming through that it's the old time. 6 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: Let's talk about Darlene Taner. What should happen to her? 7 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:23,760 Speaker 2: Wow, it's a chakra, isn't it. It's really Look, it's 8 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 2: really over to the Greens. They've come out today and 9 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 2: said they basically as to stand down as in the MP. 10 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 2: I see a statements just come through from her saying 11 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 2: at least for the moment, she's not doing that. She 12 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:37,200 Speaker 2: disputes the findings of the report. She says they haven't 13 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 2: given her any natural justice. It seems to be a 14 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:41,520 Speaker 2: bit of a switch up. As my sort of general 15 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 2: take on it, I don't know the actual facts of it. 16 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:46,879 Speaker 2: I don't think anyone does. You know, obviously people have 17 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 2: seen the public reporting around allegations of migrant exploitation and 18 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 2: things like that. She's now been under investigation for longer 19 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:57,959 Speaker 2: than she's actually been an MP, and you know, at 20 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 2: vast expense. So look, it's a bit of a mess. Really, 21 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 2: it's over to them to sort it out, but all 22 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 2: feels pretty messy. She's now an independent MP. Of course 23 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 2: in the Parliament, the Queens can't actually make her resign 24 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 2: as an MP, so they've essentially expelled her from the caucus. 25 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 2: It feels like a bit of a mess to me. 26 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:17,559 Speaker 1: So is this a clear case for a walker jumping bill? 27 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 2: Well, presision tech, I mean, it gets quite technical. The 28 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:26,119 Speaker 2: first thing, the Greens have historically opposed to the walker 29 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 2: jumping to be feather them. They've had a very principal 30 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 2: position against it. And then secondly, from memory, I haven't 31 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 2: read the Act for a while, you do have to 32 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 2: show that the person who's expelled from the party x 33 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 2: disproportionately so that she would have to start voting against 34 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 2: the Greens on things. And of course it's only just 35 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 2: happened today and there haven't been any votes in Parliament 36 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 2: or anything like that, so let's just wait and see. 37 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 2: But it feels to me like they won't they won't 38 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 2: use it because historically they's been very opposed to it, 39 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 2: So let's just wait and see. But it's pretty messy, 40 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 2: isn't it. And it feels to me, Francesca like there's 41 00:01:58,040 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 2: a bit of a way to run on this. 42 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 1: Fortunately, Minister, you made a call last week to flood 43 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 1: New Zealand with housing. Are you surprised by the backlash 44 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: against the box shoe box housing? 45 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 2: Well, I don't know if if I would call it 46 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:13,920 Speaker 2: a backlash. It's been a bit of public debate around it. 47 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 2: I mean, I just made a simple point that yep, 48 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 2: shoebox apartments, they aren't for everybody. But you know, there 49 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 2: are a lot bigger than people living in cars and tents, 50 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:24,800 Speaker 2: which is definitely the case in New Zealand right now, 51 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,799 Speaker 2: and so you know, small apartments aren't going to be 52 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:30,639 Speaker 2: for everybody. But it's about housing choice, and we need 53 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 2: smaller apartments, we need bigger apartments. We need suburban houses, 54 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 2: we need duplexes, we need terraced houses, we need townhouses, 55 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 2: we need big mensions, we need everything. We need all 56 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:42,080 Speaker 2: of the above, and that's what our housing policy is about. 57 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 2: Creating is about housing choices and housing supply so that 58 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 2: people can choose the way they live their lives. And 59 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:49,080 Speaker 2: at the moment, we've got you know, over two thousand 60 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:51,359 Speaker 2: families living in motels, We've got people living in cars, 61 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:53,359 Speaker 2: we've got people living in tents, we've got people on 62 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 2: the social housing wait list, and we've got people paying 63 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:58,920 Speaker 2: very very high rents to live in not particularly nice conditions. 64 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:03,119 Speaker 2: So solving our housing crisis is about fixing the underlying 65 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 2: courses of that, which is land supply inside our cities 66 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:09,359 Speaker 2: and at the edges of our cities and different housing typologies. 67 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 2: And that's what we're about creating. 68 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: But you can understand why councils are concerned about the 69 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:14,639 Speaker 1: infrastructure around us. 70 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 2: Absolutely and absolutely, and we're working away on that. And 71 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 2: there's the sort of three pilarity to our housing policy. 72 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 2: One is land supply. We made the ANNOUNCEMCE around that 73 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 2: last week. The second is the infrastructure tools so that 74 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 2: growth can pace growth, making sure we can build the 75 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 2: infrastructure required to support that. And we're working a well 76 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 2: on that, and I love more to say in the 77 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 2: next you know a few months around that. And then 78 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 2: the third part of it is incentives for councils, because 79 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 2: I hear the call of councils and they say, well, 80 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 2: you know, you guys in the central government, you get 81 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 2: all the upside from new houses, we get all the downside, 82 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 2: we get none of the none of the benefits, so 83 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 2: you know, share the love a bit. So I understand 84 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 2: that and we're working away on that and we're committed 85 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 2: to that as well. So all of that stuff's underway. 86 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 2: But it's pretty exciting, you know, we're making really good 87 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 2: changes to fix our housing crisis. 88 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: Auckland Council voted to oppose your request to increase speed 89 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: limits again. Is this Auklan Council telling you to side 90 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 1: off again, Chris. 91 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 2: Well, this is Auckland Council being a bit political. I 92 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:19,359 Speaker 2: think we campaigned on reversing the blanket speed limit reductions 93 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 2: of the last government and we consider ourselves to have 94 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 2: a mandate to do that. And it's not to say 95 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 2: that you don't need lower speeds around schools. You do, 96 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 2: and we're in favor of that. But this kind of 97 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 2: blanket approach of lywering, you know, vast sways the city 98 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:39,799 Speaker 2: streets down to thirty coldler is an hour we don't 99 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 2: think is the right thing to do, and that's why 100 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:44,679 Speaker 2: we campaigned on it and we now implementing that policy. 101 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 2: It's out for consultation so the councilor will have a 102 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 2: a submission as part of that consultation process and there'll 103 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 2: be a variety of different views out there in the community, 104 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 2: but we're going to proceed with it. 105 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 1: Are you happy for counsels to do what they feel 106 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: is best for their city? 107 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:05,720 Speaker 2: Well within limits? I mean, you know that we have 108 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:08,359 Speaker 2: a clear policy and a clear rule that Simmy and 109 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 2: browns at Vance and his Minister of Transport and so 110 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:16,600 Speaker 2: government has the policy and you know there is obviously 111 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 2: some discretion within that, but you know, the broad policy 112 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 2: of the government is that we are reversing the blanket 113 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 2: speed lit reductions and actually in areas where you can 114 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 2: increase them up to one hundred and ten and we're 115 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 2: considing one hundred and twenty on four lane very safe roads. 116 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 2: You know we'll do that as well. 117 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:36,359 Speaker 1: How much does it cost to change all this? 118 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 2: Again, we will be undoubtedly about some costs, but there's 119 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 2: some cost to lower the speed limits, so there'll be 120 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:46,719 Speaker 2: a cost to reverse them. But as I say, we 121 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 2: campaigned on it. It was a popular policy that the 122 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 2: National government and Act as well for that matter, campaigned on. 123 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 2: So there will be some cost, but I think it 124 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 2: would be worth it. 125 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 1: There was a story over the weekend about public sector 126 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 1: employees getting pay right is by getting their annual leave 127 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:05,279 Speaker 1: paid out. This doesn't seem like hugely controversial to me 128 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 1: because I know a lot of people who you know, 129 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:10,719 Speaker 1: they might have quite a lot of holidays owed and 130 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 1: they're allowed to cash them in. Is that essentially what's 131 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 1: happening here. 132 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 2: That's as I understand that, that's what's happening. So actually, 133 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 2: National back in two thousand and nine allowed employees to 134 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:22,839 Speaker 2: cash up a week and then you'll leave, which is 135 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 2: essentially what they're doing. So I don't have a problem 136 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:28,239 Speaker 2: with it. That's the way the laws need to work. 137 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 2: You can cash it up if you'd like. Is it 138 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:33,839 Speaker 2: a pay rise, Well, I mean it's more money. That's 139 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 2: the reason why people do it. I don't think it's 140 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:36,919 Speaker 2: right to call it a pay rise. 141 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 1: It's just cashing up and you'll leave, which they've accumulated. 142 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:43,840 Speaker 1: I presume, I presume you're doing this because you want 143 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:45,359 Speaker 1: to get you want to get the I mean it 144 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: generally happens when you accumulated too much and companies get 145 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 1: uncomfortable with how much you're sitting on. 146 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:53,599 Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, well yeah, exactly if the flip side is 147 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:56,919 Speaker 2: you know you're not taking the leave, so you're cashing 148 00:06:56,920 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 2: it up. So you know, it's about of extra extra 149 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 2: choice for people. Really, it's people. You know, people are 150 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 2: going to make the. 151 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 1: Decisions that best fit in with your sports minister hat On. 152 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 2: How good? 153 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 1: So no soon, isn't she fantastic? 154 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 2: Brilliant, absolutely brilliant quarterfinal and she knocked over Emma RADICANU fantastic. 155 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 2: So I'm looking forward to watching the quarter final. I mean, 156 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 2: I mentioned she went all the way. That would just 157 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 2: be amazing, you know. So I think it's awesome for 158 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 2: the on sport, and I've noticed a lot of interest 159 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 2: in it actually just in the last you know, twenty 160 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 2: four or forty eight hours as she's marched on. And 161 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 2: how amazing that she was a qualifier, she had to 162 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 2: fight through the qualified tournament. I was reading today that 163 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 2: she she's the first qualifier to make the fourth round 164 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 2: or the quarters for quite a long time. I don't 165 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 2: have the exact I don't know the exact stats with me, 166 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 2: but you know, incredible that that very really happens. Right, Normally, 167 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 2: what happens is a qualify goes through the qualifying tournament 168 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 2: and you know, they're exhausted, they get to the first round, 169 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 2: they get knocked over by one of the top seeds 170 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 2: in the first round. She's managed to coul all the 171 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 2: way through to the quarters. So it's pretty. 172 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: Amazing, which is why Emma Radakanu was was talking about 173 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 1: her being dangerous, because that's exactly how she got through 174 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 1: the US Open and ended up winning the title as 175 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 1: well qualified and then went on to win. So if 176 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: she does get the final, do you believe that really 177 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: there should be a representative from the government at Wimoodon. 178 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 2: I hadn't even thought about that. I mean, that would 179 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 2: be there's just wait and see. We's just wait and see. 180 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 2: I think I'm pretty flute, pretty flat tack and the 181 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 2: next next week or so. But it would be pretty amazing, 182 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:38,679 Speaker 2: no doubt. If she does make the Grand Final, I've 183 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 2: no doubt that our very hard working High commissioner over there, 184 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 2: sil Goth would I'm sure be delighted to represent Center Court, 185 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 2: represent the government. But that would be amazing. But she's 186 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 2: also going to the Olympics in August for New Zealand, 187 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 2: so she's playing doubles with Aaron Rotluff at the at 188 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:00,959 Speaker 2: the Olympics, So you know, I'm I'm not sure we 189 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 2: were thinking about a medal through the Olympics as part 190 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 2: of the tennis team, but it'd be they'd be amazing 191 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 2: to pick up a medal. 192 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 1: Very nice, Chris Bishop, thank you so much for your 193 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 1: time today. I really appreciate it. 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