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Speaker 2: Today we'll celebrate silver, the paid and wild we are

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Speaker 2: in Israel, as surely they now brace for retaliation from

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Speaker 2: other Plint's appointments and bullying Samuel Whitelock, the most capt

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Speaker 2: or Black of all times with us after right, Joe

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Speaker 3: Is a new day for a few Hosking.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the day seven past six. While we wait

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Speaker 2: for the Appeals court here to decide what they think

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Speaker 2: on this Uber case, and while act busy themselves looking

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Speaker 2: to rearrange the laws when it comes to employers and

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Speaker 2: employees and contractors and unions, we can perhaps get a

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Speaker 2: guide from the Americans who have involved democracy in the process.

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Speaker 2: So the Uber case here is one of a number

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Speaker 2: around the world whereby the local unions decide they don't

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Speaker 2: like the way the uber type business is operating this

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Speaker 2: gig economy, that thinking is not for them. The gig

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Speaker 2: economy allows you to work a lot or a little.

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Speaker 2: You can come and go as you please. No, you

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Speaker 2: don't get annual leave, but you get freedom. And part

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Speaker 2: of that freedom is the freedom to choose as to

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Speaker 2: whether you enter into the arrangement at all. If you

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Speaker 2: see it like the Union does, oppressive, unfair needing of change,

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Speaker 2: don't enter it, avoid it, leave it to others. So

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Speaker 2: in California, the Supreme Court has upheld a landmark ruling

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Speaker 2: that allows that gig economy work is to be treated

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Speaker 2: as contractors, not employees. This all came out of what

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Speaker 2: they call Prop twenty two props or propositions is what

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Speaker 2: they do by way of referenda. In twenty twenty, Prop

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Speaker 2: twenty two was put to the people, and the people

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Speaker 2: voted in favor of freedom. There was a new law

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Speaker 2: in the state, and the new law made employers treat

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Speaker 2: everyone as an employee. Prop twenty two allowed them to

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Speaker 2: avoid that low. So the people spoke and decisively too.

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Speaker 2: By the way, that didn't stop the unions, who clearly

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Speaker 2: don't like democracy, So off to court they went and lost.

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Speaker 2: They then appealed and lost again. So if you're an

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Speaker 2: uber driver, you're a contractor as you chose to be.

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Speaker 2: Democracy and freedom of thought, choice, ah when except well

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Speaker 2: maybe here of the appeal court decides differently. And if

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Speaker 2: they design differently, do they decide on our thoughts and beliefs? No,

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Speaker 2: they do not. So which system do you prefer? And

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Speaker 2: more importantly, if you drive an uber or a part

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Speaker 2: of the gig economy, and you like that, and you

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Speaker 2: chose that, how come you don't get the freedom to

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Speaker 2: make your own calls and run your own life the

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Speaker 2: way you want to. And if you don't, how does

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Speaker 2: that make sense?

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Speaker 3: Who? News of the world in ninety seconds?

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Speaker 2: The Middle East is turning to shine. The Hamas leader

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Speaker 2: is dead.

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Speaker 4: In the early hours of the morning is male honey

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Speaker 4: As residents and Tehran was hit.

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Speaker 3: The cause and dimensions of this incident are under investigation.

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Speaker 2: This has led to the dismayed from the British.

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Speaker 5: It's going to put these cease fire talks which have

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Speaker 5: gone up and down in the likelihood and reach your result.

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Speaker 5: They're going on for weeks now. There must be a

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Speaker 5: going to step.

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Speaker 2: Back, not to move from the Americans, who must be

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Speaker 6: I think nothing takes away from the importance of getting

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Speaker 6: to the ceasefire. We've been working from day one not

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Speaker 6: only to try to get to a better place in Gaza,

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Speaker 6: but also to prevent the conflict from spreading in Gaza.

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Speaker 2: They too wonder we're elite.

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Speaker 4: This man could have signed the prisoner exchange here with

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Speaker 4: the Israelis. Why did they kill him? They killed peace,

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Speaker 4: not Ismailkhana, They killed the peace process.

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Speaker 7: Why did Israel kill him?

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Speaker 2: Then we have the goal on heart attack and retribution

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Speaker 2: into Lebanon, which then leads to Lebanon retaliating.

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Speaker 4: And how is this going to lead.

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Speaker 7: To a regional and is this going to lead to

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Speaker 2: That's great to Britain with a downfall of heew we

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Speaker 2: which seems complete.

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Speaker 1: The BBC is shocked to hear the details which have

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Speaker 1: emerged in court today. There can be no place for

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Speaker 1: such abhorrent behavior and our thoughts with all those affected.

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Speaker 2: Basically he played guilty. Finally, Big Move in Australia will

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Speaker 2: more with Gavin Gray about this after right thirty. Of course,

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Speaker 2: Big move in Australia. They're the first country in the

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Speaker 2: world to trial a nationwide peanuts immunotherapy program for babies

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Speaker 2: with peanut allergies. Essentially, they're going to try and build

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Speaker 2: tolerance by exposure. It's going to be administered over two years.

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Speaker 2: It's the exact opposite, of course, of all the advice

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Speaker 2: the world in ninety A couple of numbers for you

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Speaker 2: of interest to annual inflation in Australia. The aforementioned went up,

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Speaker 2: And that's before we get to the FED. More shortly

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Speaker 3: Six, comb my costing breakfast.

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Speaker 2: Then we come to American job's private payrolls of one

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Speaker 2: hundred and twenty two thousand. Is that a lot?

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Speaker 3: Not? Really?

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Speaker 2: The estimate was one hundred and fifty, which brings us

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Speaker 2: yes to the FED fourteen past six, and well, Andrew Kellen.

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Speaker 7: Had good morning, very good morning, Mike, and.

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Speaker 8: They say, well, look, expectations leading into this announcement where

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Speaker 8: but they'd give a little bit more concrete frameworker out

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Speaker 8: So you've had quite a lot of investment positioning, you know,

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Speaker 7: Some of the.

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Speaker 8: Comments that they've made, Mike, they're waiting for greater confidence

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Speaker 8: on inflation. Unemployment has moved up but remains low, and

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Speaker 8: They remain attentive to risks on both sides of their

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Speaker 8: Seems to say that they're relaxed about, you know, where

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Speaker 7: I'm not sure.

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Speaker 8: There's quite as much a degree of certainty around a

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Speaker 8: They What they do say is they're still very data dependent.

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Speaker 8: We've obviously got the big non farm payrolls number that's

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Speaker 8: So I think the real action will come after that

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Speaker 2: All right, confidence back here, it's over. We're happy again.

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Speaker 2: Look at these notes. What's happened was the problem? Mate?

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Speaker 7: This is a little bit so pricing. Isn't that a

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Speaker 7: very interesting data print? So this is an said yesterday

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Speaker 8: That's the survey results yesterday and there's been a big

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Speaker 8: all been pretty awful, really, haven't they.

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Speaker 7: But look, this is very.

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Speaker 8: Much a forward looking outcome. In other words, respondents are

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Speaker 8: but basically the retail tools I'm not ringing. Cost expectations

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Speaker 8: Has sort of quite good correlation to GDP growth MIC,

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Speaker 8: so you're still looking at Q two Q three growth

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Speaker 7: The final point I would make.

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Speaker 8: Because you just got to ask the question, like, what

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Speaker 7: On these responses.

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Speaker 8: A and Z do tell us that twenty nine percent

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Speaker 7: So maybe it had an impact.

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Speaker 7: About the world.

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Speaker 2: No, kid, no, but it's just.

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Speaker 7: It's just a question of getting there.

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Speaker 2: Okay, give us the numbers.

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Speaker 8: So as we sit at the moment, the Dale Jones

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Speaker 8: up three quarters of percent, so that's better than it

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Speaker 8: there eighty two points, and the Nasdaq has bounced back

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Speaker 7: It's up two and a half percent.

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Speaker 8: In video on a bit of a tear, it's up

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Speaker 8: four hundred and twenty eight points seventeen thousand, five hundred

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Speaker 7: The NICK gained almost one and a half percent.

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Speaker 8: These or good numbers, aren't they five hundred se seventy

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Speaker 2: As we speak, Trump is in Chicago in front of

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Speaker 2: More importantly, though, you could be forgiven if you don't

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Speaker 2: Pretty Flintoff was back on television. Haven't heard from him

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Speaker 7: to take you to India.

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Speaker 2: It's so different to anything that they'd have experienced before.

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Speaker 1: The newsmakers and the personalities the big names talk to,

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Speaker 2: fresh quarterly data for you from Centric this morning. Upside

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Speaker 12: Good morning, Mike.

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Speaker 2: So sum it up good?

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Speaker 12: Bad?

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Speaker 16: Well, I said, the consumer's perspective, it's very good. There's

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Speaker 16: Yes, I think we'll call people out. Was not the

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Speaker 16: I think now people have accepted it is where it is.

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Speaker 2: Gee that's encouraging to hear. Weld On. Keith appreciate it

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Speaker 2: very much. Keith McLaughlin, Centrics, managing Director, with us this morning,

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Speaker 17: right kind.

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Speaker 3: Of traumatized person.

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Speaker 17: Hearing it from other mpiece that shouldn't be allowed. I'm

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Speaker 17: still a person. I'm still a person, and I feel

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Speaker 17: like I'm getting that stripped away from me day by

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Speaker 17: day in this place. I've had enough. I asked for

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Speaker 17: an apology, That's all I wanted, and I didn't get one.

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Speaker 17: And that's so disrespectful.

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Speaker 2: So she she was in tears if you couldn't pick

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Speaker 2: that up. So something's gone horrifically wrong there as well.

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Speaker 2: All of this to be covered in the now eighteen.

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Speaker 18: To two.

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Speaker 3: The My Costing Breakfast Molly Mike.

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Speaker 2: If you can't wear pins on your jacket in parliament,

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Speaker 2: how can you wear a cowboy hat in parliament?

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Speaker 12: Mark?

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Speaker 2: It's not an unfair question, but the answer is really easy.

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Speaker 2: The answer is that it's party paraphernalia. And to a

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Speaker 2: degree you could argue at got hoisted by their own

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Speaker 2: petar because they were the ones I think who raised

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Speaker 2: the issue of One of the Green impeas had some

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Speaker 2: stickers Maray party type stickers on the front of their

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Speaker 2: laptops and the laptop was on display in parliament. They said, well,

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Speaker 2: you can't have party paraphernalia in parliament. So there was

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Speaker 2: that argument, and then as a result of that, they said, well,

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Speaker 2: you can't have party paraphernalia on your lapel of your

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Speaker 2: suit jacket. A hat is not party paraphernalia.

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Speaker 15: Six forty five International Correspondence with ends and Eye Insurance,

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Speaker 15: Peace of mind for New Zealand business.

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Speaker 2: It'll be bound. We are Joe McKenna, Good morning to you.

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Speaker 19: Good morning March.

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Speaker 2: So we got the box of the Algeri and where

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Speaker 2: does this go?

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Speaker 19: Look, this is an interesting one. I don't know if

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Speaker 19: this has shown up in other sports at the Olympics

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Speaker 19: so far, but the Italians are not happy because Angela Karini,

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Speaker 19: one of the female boxes, is about to face off

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Speaker 19: against Iman Khaliff, an Algerian who was disqualified from last

479
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Speaker 19: year's International Boxing Championships for failing gender eligibility tests. Now

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Speaker 19: that means heavy dose of testosterone there. So somehow the

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Speaker 19: Olympic committee uses a different set of rules for admission,

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Speaker 19: and they've also allowed Taiwan's Lynn U Ting to compete

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Speaker 19: after she was banned last year for the same issue.

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Speaker 19: Of course, Italians are not happy about this.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm not surprised. Having said that, generally speaking, the Olympics,

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Speaker 2: how are they going for you? How much interest is

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Speaker 2: they're in Italy in it.

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Speaker 19: Look, there's been a lot of interest. The Italian swimmers

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Speaker 19: have done quite well and they've been picking up medals.

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Speaker 19: Also in the gymnastics they did quite well against the Americans.

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Speaker 19: So there is a lot of interest and I think

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Speaker 19: a lot of pride in how they're going so far.

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Speaker 2: It's funny Tuesdays to Catherine Field about it and this

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Speaker 2: is the opening ceremony. And the French loved it, lapped

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Speaker 2: it up, thought it was the greatest thing ever. Macron said,

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Speaker 2: we will be talking about it forever. And I do

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Speaker 2: wonder that last Supper thing, how did that go down well?

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Speaker 2: You know, just in front of the Vatican there did.

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Speaker 19: Not go down well at all with the French bishops

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Speaker 19: or the Italian bishops. The Italian bishops had an editorial

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Speaker 19: out on Saturday in their paper called the Avenira, which

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Speaker 19: is a daily that comes out here in Italy, slamming

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Speaker 19: the event, slamming the last Supper scene and said on

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Speaker 19: their X account, what is the sense in transforming every

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Speaker 19: event on the planet, even a sporting event, into gay pride?

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Speaker 2: Interesting Venice, they're still on about the tourists, so they've

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Speaker 2: charged you to go in now. The idea is going

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Speaker 2: to limit party numbers.

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Speaker 19: Yes, this has been coming for a while. It was

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Speaker 19: supposed to happen in June, and they're going ahead with

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Speaker 19: it tomorrow, basically limiting the size of tourist parties to

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Speaker 19: twenty five people. And even that's quite big when you

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Speaker 19: think about those tiny bridges and the small alleys in Venice.

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Speaker 19: So this is another attempt to reduce the impact of

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Speaker 19: the crowds in Venice. I don't know if it's going

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Speaker 19: to make much of a difference, but the fines are

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Speaker 19: quite hefty mic up to five hundred euros that's nine

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Speaker 19: hundred New Zealand dollars.

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Speaker 2: Wow. Interesting And I was funnily enough commenting yesterday. So

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Speaker 2: you know, obviously we're all following France Europe. This summer

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Speaker 2: doesn't seem as hot as previous years, and you're telling

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Speaker 2: us Rome's burning.

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Speaker 20: Yeah.

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Speaker 19: Look, I think last year seemed very intense for a

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Speaker 19: fairly short period, whereas here we've seem to have had

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Speaker 19: a month of thirty seven thirty eight degrees and there's

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Speaker 19: no sign of it letting up in the short term.

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Speaker 2: Wow, So how bad is it?

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Speaker 19: It's pretty intense I didn't feel much of a breeze

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Speaker 19: today and I was out and about and without the

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Speaker 19: air con, you really start to feel it.

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Speaker 2: So it's words coming up nine o'clock. What do you

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Speaker 2: good at the moment?

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Speaker 19: Overnight it drops down to about twenty five, so it's

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Speaker 19: still quite hot.

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Speaker 2: Jeez, you want some cool there, wouldn't you?

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Speaker 11: Go?

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Speaker 2: Well, Joe, we'll catch up next to this. Its very

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Speaker 2: much Joe McKenna out of Italy for us this morning. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I referenced Costa Rica. They've waged into Venezuela. They're still

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Speaker 2: on the streets in Venezuela at the moment where the scenes,

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Speaker 2: I don't know. The military is still with Madeiro. But

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Speaker 2: Machado had the presidential Machada was the opposition leader, and

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Speaker 2: the presidential candidate Gonzales, who claims he's won. And not

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Speaker 2: only do they claim he's won, they claim he got

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Speaker 2: over seventy percent of the vote. Officially, the Venezuelans have

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Speaker 2: said that Maduro got fifty one percent, but the international

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Speaker 2: community going whatever, let's see the numbers are. But Costa

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Speaker 2: Rica's waden and anyone who wants to go who's under

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Speaker 2: some sort of political trouble can go and park themselves

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Speaker 2: in Costa Rica for a while, so political immunity is

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Speaker 2: available to them. So that's an unvolving story as well.

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Speaker 2: It is ten away from seven.

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Speaker 3: Called the Mike Hosking Breakfast with the range rover of

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Speaker 3: the LA News Talks head been yeah.

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Speaker 2: Just in reference to the polling in America, she's gaining

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Speaker 2: Harris gaining ground on Trump and six of seven of

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Speaker 2: the swing states. This is bloomberg. So taken in July

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Speaker 2: twenty four through twenty eight, last couple of days, Harris

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Speaker 2: leads Trump and Michigan by eleven, Arizona, Wisconsin, Nevada two points,

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Speaker 2: so it's still within the margin of era, but she's ahead,

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Speaker 2: so that's psychological. Trumps are head in Pennsylvania by four,

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Speaker 2: that's outside the margin of Araa, North Carolina by a

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Speaker 2: couple equal footing in Georgia as she was in Atlanta

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Speaker 2: yesterday and she goes this presidency runs through Georgia, and

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Speaker 2: we all know about Georgia, don't we. If Georgia doesn't

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Speaker 2: go well, you hit the phone now asked for some votes.

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Speaker 2: Spain more scandal Sanchez, who were not big fans of

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Speaker 2: because he got involved the Merston. The scandal that involves

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Speaker 2: his wife, packed a mass of sad. Lost the local elections,

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Speaker 2: packed an even bigger sad, went to the national elections,

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Speaker 2: lost the election, then managed to cobble together this jury

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Speaker 2: mannied collection of minor parties that now forms the Spanish government. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: his wife's now in court over those original allegations that

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Speaker 2: he got so fed up about. He's refused to testify

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Speaker 2: before a judge. This is corruption we're talking about. Alleged

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Speaker 2: that she used her position to influence business deals. Judge

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Speaker 2: refused Sanchez's request to submit a written testimony. Sanchesters constantly

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Speaker 2: and consistently said the case was a smear campaign, so

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Speaker 2: we'll see where that goes. Tell you look around the

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Speaker 2: world at the moment. He's a few problems on the bay,

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Speaker 2: haven't you. Boy. It's five away from seven.

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Speaker 3: Or roads, the ins and the ouse.

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Speaker 1: It's the fizz with business fiber take your business productivity

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Speaker 1: to the next level.

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Speaker 2: And trouble and business. Boeing Boeing new ceo. Would you

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Speaker 2: want that job of the Boeing rang you up and

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Speaker 2: said mate, how about it? Would you go? Absolutely anyway?

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Speaker 2: They've got a new CEO here's his job is to

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Speaker 2: sort the place out. His former Rockwell Colin C guy

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Speaker 2: called Kelly Ortberg. He's got over three decades experience in aerospace.

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Speaker 2: So what have we got. Boeing's are boomed through seven

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Speaker 2: point two billion dollars worth of cash in Q two,

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Speaker 2: just in those three months, seven point two billion dollars

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Speaker 2: worth of cash, not delivering as many planes as they

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Speaker 2: used to. Wonder why Q three not expected to be

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Speaker 2: a lot better? So Q two net loss of two

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Speaker 2: point four billion, revenue down fifteen percent to twenty eight

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Speaker 2: point four billion. Commercial unit's got a thirty two percent

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Speaker 2: drop year on year. They've delivered only ninety planes compared

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Speaker 2: with one hundred and thirty sixty years ago. They delivered

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Speaker 2: only seventy seven three sevens compared to one hundred and

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Speaker 2: three a year ago. They delivered nine Dreamliners compared with twenty.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we're in, aren't we here? In New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: They're into the Dreamliners. They've got a few Dreamliners on order.

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Speaker 2: They said the other day, no, we'll take the Dreamline.

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Speaker 2: There's no problem at all. We're happy with the Dreamliners

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Speaker 2: if they ever get them. Of course, Yet they still

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Speaker 2: say the plan is to increase their max plans production

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Speaker 2: to thirty eight a month, despite the fact they're in

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Speaker 2: the mid twenties per month four Q two. So not

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Speaker 2: making a lot of planes, not selling a lot of planes,

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Speaker 2: reputationally shot to pieces, and old Kelly's going to give

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Speaker 2: it a crack and see, we can't turn this whole

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Speaker 2: thing around, right, So what have we got for you?

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Speaker 2: We got Israel the Middle East, that whole mess. Will

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Speaker 2: work you through that a little bit. We've got four

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Speaker 2: regional CEO's announced yesterday. This isn't health. Health has become

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Speaker 2: am I boring. Health has become to me fascinating all

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Speaker 2: of a sudden, it's become deeply fascinating. Somewhere in the

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Speaker 2: middle lies the truth. I no longer fully one hundred

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Speaker 2: percent sent believe the government that the board were completely

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Speaker 2: and utterly incompetent. I have no doubt in my mind

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Speaker 2: they were partially incompetent, but they weren't completely incompetent. So

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Speaker 2: somewhere in the Allies the truth. And I don't think

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Speaker 2: what Shane Retty told us is the full story. So anyway,

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Speaker 2: they appoint Lester. Lester goes and appoints four new CEOs,

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Speaker 2: so we actually come back. If you remember and if

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Speaker 2: you're a long term listened to this program, my idea

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Speaker 2: of how to run health in this country, which was

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Speaker 2: not twenty three DHPS. I said four, let's do four,

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Speaker 2: and they said no, Andrew Little said no, I know best,

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Speaker 2: it's one, and suddenly they've landed back at four. If

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Speaker 2: this works out, you know who to think news next.

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Speaker 1: The breakfast show you can trust, the Mic Hosking Breakfast

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Speaker 1: with Alveda, Retirement Communities, Life Your Way News tog said.

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Speaker 2: Be seven past seven. So the latest development on the

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Speaker 2: health front is the appointment of four regional CEOs basically

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Speaker 2: will have specific operations in Northern Midland, Central and the

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Speaker 2: South Island. Modus apparandi doesn't change. Slim it down, move

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Speaker 2: the middle management out and save money. Health commentator Impal's

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Speaker 2: with us Ian good morning to you. Good morning twenty

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Speaker 2: three DHBs. Clearly too many one apparently doesn't work.

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Speaker 20: Do for.

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Speaker 18: I think it would be wrong to see this as

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Speaker 18: dhb's coming back. I think it's within the same structure,

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Speaker 18: but it's an tenor well the rhetoric, so the language

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Speaker 18: goes to devolve a level of decision making closer and

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Speaker 18: more regionally, but within the same structure. So it's not

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Speaker 18: bringing back district healthports. The question is is it going

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Speaker 18: to make a difference, And well, the first response is

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Speaker 18: far too early to tell that. I had a discussion

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Speaker 18: with Shane Retti not long before the last election and

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Speaker 18: we talked about, rather than restructure and completely the new

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Speaker 18: Health New Zealand, that that decision making be devolved within

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Speaker 18: it and A and he's already been thinking about that

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Speaker 18: quite seriously, and he was that's that's where he was

658
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Speaker 18: thinking was going. In some respects, it's the continuation of that.

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Speaker 18: But there is a real problem. Unless you change the culture,

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Speaker 18: the leadership culture of the whole organization, it's going to

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Speaker 18: mean nothing because, as you know, Mike, if he just

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Speaker 18: simply changes structure and that's all you do, you won't

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Speaker 18: achieve the change that you seek, the improvements that you're seeking.

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Speaker 18: In fact, it will go back.

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Speaker 2: A couple of Broadbays questions for you, given your experience

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Speaker 2: in the sector is roughly speaking, thirty billion, as the

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Speaker 2: Prime mister argues, enough in other words, there is enough money.

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Speaker 2: It's what you do with the accounts.

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Speaker 18: I don't think I think that's wrong. I certainly believe

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Speaker 18: that we had much more of an engagement field culture,

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Speaker 18: and we had more direct involvement with people who actually

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Speaker 18: know how to do the job of delivering healthcare, then

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Speaker 18: we could probably get a better return for the health dollar.

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Speaker 18: But in the absence of that, it is and that

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Speaker 18: would take a bit of time. In the absence of that,

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Speaker 18: it's not enough. It's clearly per capita the spending is

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Speaker 18: dropping now and it's also not keeping up with the

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Speaker 18: demands on the health system, which is that we have

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Speaker 18: more sick of people needing health care and more often

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Speaker 18: and more of those people are very sick rather than

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Speaker 18: simply sick.

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Speaker 2: And the other one, the right. The mixed message was

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Speaker 2: the board was incompetent. They couldn't see a thing. They

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Speaker 2: didn't answer the questions they needed to go true or not.

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Speaker 18: I think they're superficial, very superficial analysis. So I think

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Speaker 18: that the boards did struggle, but the whole organization was struggling.

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Speaker 18: I think the board has been escape coated.

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Speaker 2: Can you see a fix? And I mean, god, how

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Speaker 2: many times, how many years have we been talking about

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Speaker 2: the dysfunction of health in New Zealand. Do you ever

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Speaker 2: see a day when you can come on and go,

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Speaker 2: all things being equal, it's okay.

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Speaker 18: Well, I'm a firm believer that if you don't have hope,

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Speaker 18: you have nothing, and you can't have ad a piece

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Speaker 18: to address the problem. Having said that, it is a

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Speaker 18: very despairing situation.

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Speaker 3: Look.

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Speaker 18: When National, sorry, the Labor therdth government came in twenty

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Speaker 18: and seventeen, they inherited a mess and their contribution was

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Speaker 18: to make that mess messier. When National came in, they

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Speaker 18: inherited even greater mess. And I have to say, unfortunately

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Speaker 18: they are mora less doing what Labor did previously. They're

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Speaker 18: making a very messy situation messy.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so you and I will be talking for a

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Speaker 2: few more years. Yet an appreciate that very much impelled

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Speaker 2: health commentator these days eleven minutes past seven, plead him

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Speaker 2: a mess. With the assassination of the Harmas leader, the fear,

708
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Speaker 2: of course, grows that the war was about to go regional.

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Speaker 2: In Tel Aviv, Israeli journalist Merren rappapause, Well there's Meren,

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Speaker 2: good morning to you.

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Speaker 21: Good morning.

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Speaker 2: No one's claimed it yet, will they do you think?

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Speaker 21: As well declined to take responsibility, but all you know

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Speaker 21: that it was behind it when he minister in the

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Speaker 21: EU government boasted that was more or less involved. For think,

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Speaker 21: all the fingers point to Israel, though I did not

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Speaker 21: officially at each responsibility.

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Speaker 2: Listen, we're going to abandon this. Meren will come back

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Speaker 2: to you possibly later in the program. That phone line's

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Speaker 2: not good enough for us. Mere and Rappaport, who's in

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Speaker 2: the middle of Tel Aviv at the moment, We apologize

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Speaker 2: for that. Eleven minutes past seven, just thact the Health

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Speaker 2: Business the disappoint a couple of former board members disappointed

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Speaker 2: in the Prime Minister's personal attacks on their credibility and

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Speaker 2: defense of the Prime Minister. One of them was Curtis Walker,

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Speaker 2: who was raised in question time yesterday by Asha Verel,

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Speaker 2: a renal specialist at Palmeston North Lux and Willis. This

728
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Speaker 2: is disinformation, he argues, I disagree that the board lacked

729
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Speaker 2: financial skills and oversight. All of the questions that are

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Speaker 2: being asked now publicly were asked around the board table

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Speaker 2: of the management. The board was expecting Health New Zealand

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Speaker 2: to have a significant surplus, became a of its financial

733
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Speaker 2: problems as early as possible in March. Now March is

734
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Speaker 2: interesting to me because in talking to Prime Minister a

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Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago about it, he claimed in October

736
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Speaker 2: they had some red flag or was it October or

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Speaker 2: was it March. If Luckson's right and it was October,

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Speaker 2: why is the board not aware of it until March,

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Speaker 2: which then backs up Luxon in the sense that maybe

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Speaker 2: they were incompetent there was another person. Vanessa Stoddart she

741
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Speaker 2: is disappointed in the personal comments. I would defend Luxon

742
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Speaker 2: on this. If you're on a public board and you've

743
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Speaker 2: accepted the job, and you accept the pay, and you

744
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Speaker 2: get removed for alleged incompetence, you've got to expect some criticism.

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Speaker 2: You can't then you go it's not for you. You

746
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Speaker 2: can't say anything nasty about me. I mean an opinions

747
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Speaker 2: an opinion, and when it comes from the Prime Minister,

748
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Speaker 2: he's entitled to it anyway. Vanessa Stoddard says the deficit

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Speaker 2: was largely as a result, and I don't think we're

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Speaker 2: at the bottom of this yet. There seems to be

751
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Speaker 2: some sort of miscommunication, whether deliberate or not, as to

752
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Speaker 2: whether the amount of money the one hundred and thirty

753
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Speaker 2: million dollars a month was because they suddenly hired so

754
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Speaker 2: many nurses they didn't know what to do with them,

755
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Speaker 2: or inefficiency or a combination of the two. She acknowledged though,

756
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Speaker 2: and this is important, they could have acted faster and

757
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Speaker 2: harder in some areas with the benefit of hindsight. So

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Speaker 2: I think there's an element of a little bit of

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Speaker 2: mayor culper there. Thirteen past seven, the host refers, it's

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Speaker 2: not the letter from David seymore too. The speaker Jerry

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Speaker 2: brownly about the concerns over Laura Trusk and the subcommittee.

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Speaker 2: I'll work you through that in a couple of minutes

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Speaker 2: before we talk to us Seymour after seven to thirty meantime,

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Speaker 2: from our science Will sabers file, it's being discovered that

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Speaker 2: an extract of daffodils no less could help cut methane emission.

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Speaker 2: So this is Agra zero Z. They're partnering with a

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Speaker 2: Welsh company to trial the potentially groundbreaking tech on animals.

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Speaker 2: Here now the agg Zero New Zealand Chief executive WAYN

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Speaker 2: McNee is with us. Wayne Morning, Good morning Mike. On

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Speaker 2: an excitement scale ten, you're fizzing beyond anything you're fizzed

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Speaker 2: about before. Where are you on this.

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Speaker 22: I lock this as early stage work, but we're excited

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Speaker 22: about the potential of it. It's been proven to work

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Speaker 22: in a lab to reduce emissions and remnis and animals,

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Speaker 22: and the work we're funding is to do trials in

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Speaker 22: New Zealand on the product to see if it will

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Speaker 22: work in a New Zealand farming system. So excited, but

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Speaker 22: you know it's one of a number of things we're

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Speaker 22: investing in.

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Speaker 2: Can I ask a really basic question, why wouldn't you

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Speaker 2: just plant the field with daffodils, have the cows eat

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Speaker 2: them and see if it works.

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Speaker 22: Yeah, well you have to extract the homentomine, which is

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Speaker 22: the active ingredient and is in very small quantities in

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Speaker 22: the daffodils. Daffodils also have to be grown in a

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Speaker 22: harsh environment, so that's why they'll be suited to being

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Speaker 22: grown in a high country New Zealand and why they

788
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Speaker 22: were originally grown in whales.

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Speaker 2: But why do you have to extract? If I consider,

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Speaker 2: does something happen when you extract? Because if I consume

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Speaker 2: it as a flower, is it not in there anyway?

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Speaker 22: Well, for a start, they don't particularly like eating daffodils.

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Speaker 22: Sheep and cattle and the active You need to concentrate it,

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Speaker 22: you know, in much larger quantities than you get if

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Speaker 22: you just state the deafidils. So definitely need to extract it.

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Speaker 22: And the trials that we're funding will be at Lincoln

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Speaker 22: University in the South Island looking at how this product

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Speaker 22: actually works in animals.

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Speaker 2: So you've got a twofold thing, correct me if I'm wrong. One,

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Speaker 2: you've got the growing and extraction process, because I mean,

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Speaker 2: presumably if it works in the hills and whales, you

802
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Speaker 2: can just sell it around the world. And then two,

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Speaker 2: how do you feed the cows once you've extracted it?

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Speaker 2: Is it just put in to feed?

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Speaker 22: Yeah, it's put in as a feed additive. It'll be

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Speaker 22: put in as a feed additive. Alternatively, it could potentially

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Speaker 22: be used in a bowlus so you could put it

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Speaker 22: inside the room and of the animal. That's later work.

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Speaker 22: Let's see if it works in the animals first, as

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Speaker 22: opposed to just in the lab.

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Speaker 2: And when you say the animals, is just cows or

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Speaker 2: if it works and cows, could it work in sheep

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Speaker 2: and goats and all of that?

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Speaker 10: Yeah?

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Speaker 22: Yeah, no, if it works and cows, it should also

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Speaker 22: work in sheep and goats and deer.

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Speaker 2: Fantastic. How long before we know?

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Speaker 22: So this trial is February next year, Febry twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 22: We'll know pretty soon after that whether or not it'll

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Speaker 22: work and animals, and then after that we'll scale up

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Speaker 22: the work. And the other advantage is that if we

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Speaker 22: grow the death it was in New Zealand, then there'll

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Speaker 22: be an income for farmers as well from that.

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Speaker 2: So you can grow and feed the cows and the

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Speaker 2: whole thing's fantastic. See, this is what I love about

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Speaker 2: the whole climate debate. It's this sort of thing that

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Speaker 2: we don't know about until we know about it that

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Speaker 2: eventually is going to help, isn't it.

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Speaker 12: Yeah.

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Speaker 22: And look, we're investing in a whole range of different

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Speaker 22: tools and hoping to have two or three that farmers

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Speaker 22: can use by sort of twenty six twenty seven, and

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Speaker 22: you know, maybe this will be one of them, but

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Speaker 22: early days. But yeah, we are excited about the potential

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Speaker 22: of it.

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Speaker 2: Good stuff. Go well, Wayne, We'll stay in touch on

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Speaker 2: this one. Wayne McNee, who's the Agri zero New Zealand

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Speaker 2: chip zep. See, no need to panic. We'll get there

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Speaker 2: in the end. Speaking which Bremworth. Can I just congratulate

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Speaker 2: them this morning? Two million dollar marketing campaign to promote wool.

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Speaker 2: No one loves wool more than me and King Charles

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Speaker 2: and obviously Brimworth. We are, by the way, the world's

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Speaker 2: third largest will produce in nine percent of the global

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Speaker 2: production all over the world. I've told you endlessly about

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Speaker 2: the problems with wool. Strong walls are problems selling at

846
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Speaker 2: people going Astarangwell, I'd rather have you know, lino on

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Speaker 2: my floor or something nice like that. When I say

848
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Speaker 2: hard floor. We must talk to Bremworth about this because

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Speaker 2: they say people prefer hard floors. What what if you

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Speaker 2: go slate or stone or something esthetic like that versus just,

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Speaker 2: you know, synthetic carpet. Are we talking about wooll carpet

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Speaker 2: business synthetic carpet or are we talking I don't stone

853
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Speaker 2: versus carpet. Anyway, they're launching this big two million dollar

854
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Speaker 2: campaign to retell the story about how important it's they say,

855
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Speaker 2: a very important thing. They may spend you and I,

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Speaker 2: we may spend thousands of dollars on a bench top,

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Speaker 2: but when it comes to carpet, it doesn't enjoy the

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Speaker 2: same prestige and it should good point and in that

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Speaker 2: I wish them well seven.

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Speaker 3: My costel breakfast.

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Speaker 2: Serrata deal. And remember the Serrata is a fascinating story.

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00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 2: It's DJs anyway, it's a New Zealand business dominating the

873
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,439
Speaker 2: global stage. Hayden believes this is a wake up call

874
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 2: for founders and investors to consider competition implications early in

875
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 2: their exit strategy. So he identifies a need to speed

876
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 2: up regulatory assessment and decision making to meet the speed

877
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 2: of the technology industry and the market. So what you

878
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 2: are doing here is staying ahead at the curve. So

879
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 2: for all the details, Denton's dot co dot NZ. Denton's

880
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 2: dot Co dot NZ ask you everybody for now, if

881
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 2: you ever want an example and why the new fast

882
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 2: track legislation is not only a good idea but badly needed,

883
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:45,240
Speaker 2: I give you Northport. Northport want to expand. Why to grow?

884
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 2: We need to grow because well what we do is

885
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 2: sell stuff to the world, and for that we need ports.

886
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 2: Northport have been denied resource consent, all of them. All

887
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 2: the consents, all of them denied. Independent commissioners looked at

888
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 2: the application as sent to the local councils, turn them

889
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 2: all down there now after the Environment Court. Now one

890
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 2: of the owners of Northport happens to be tarong A Port.

891
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 2: They too have been in the Environment Court lately because

892
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 2: they too wanted to expand, and they too were tied

893
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 2: up by locals in a seemingly never ending series of

894
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 2: red tape and obfuscation. The Taronga case has been going

895
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Speaker 2: on for years. Both examples would provide jobs, income tax growth,

896
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 2: remember those, And yet as a country currently on its

897
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 2: needs economically, we still can't seem to find the wherewithal

898
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 2: to give ourselves the uppercut required to get our act together.

899
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Speaker 2: Enter the fast tracked law. Northport is applied to be

900
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Speaker 2: one of the cases. It would go to a group

901
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 2: of experts if they take it off its heads, directly

902
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 2: to the minister who makes the decision. Remarkably, we have

903
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 2: opposition from some who argue about democracy and having our say.

904
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Speaker 2: What they actually mean when you break it down, are

905
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 2: knitpickers and councils and single issue zealots who hire lawyers

906
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 2: to tie things up and court. In other words, we

907
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 2: have the current model. It doesn't work, it's inefficient, it's slow,

908
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 2: it's expensive, it's anti growth. And yet they defend it.

909
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 2: Like the military academy we've seen, like the health service

910
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 2: we've seen, like the sanctions on job seeker. We've seen

911
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 2: failed systems defended for no other reason than bloody mindedness.

912
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 2: When a business can't do business because of rules and bureaucrats,

913
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 2: the system is broken when a country through rule steimy's growth.

914
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 2: Yet I wonder about the future. Pasking by way of

915
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 2: the background, that tower on the port, the environment caught

916
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Speaker 2: there and there at the moment was standing by allegedly

917
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Speaker 2: for some sort of decision. The process began in twenty eighteen,

918
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Speaker 2: right five years ago, if you want to take it

919
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Speaker 2: back actually to when the RAMA was introduced. It began

920
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety one. Twenty eighteen, they applied it was

921
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Speaker 2: going to cost sixty eight million dollars two years to build. Eleven.

922
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Speaker 2: EWI and HAPU groups opposed it. There was supposed to

923
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Speaker 2: be a hearing in July twenty two, that got pushed

924
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Speaker 2: to March of last year. After the hearing, the court

925
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Speaker 2: said they make a final summation by April six last year.

926
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Speaker 2: April six came and went, wasn't till December. The Environment

927
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Speaker 2: Court granted them an interim decision. They were allowed to

928
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Speaker 2: begin Stage one, but also given six months to address

929
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Speaker 2: further matters quote unquote further matters. The ports submitted again

930
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Speaker 2: in June. Six years. In that time, the cost has

931
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Speaker 2: gone from sixty eight million dollars to ninety and counting

932
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Speaker 2: in every chance that when the Environment Court comes back

933
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Speaker 2: whenever that is, and makes their decision, that that one's

934
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Speaker 2: going to be appealed as well. So you can see

935
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Speaker 2: the lack of progress in this country and how hard

936
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Speaker 2: it actually is to do business. Speaking of business the subcommittee.

937
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Speaker 2: The letter from mister Seymour to mister Brownlee about Laura

938
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Speaker 2: Trusk and Mariameno Kapakinghi and carha Angi Karter, a couple

939
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Speaker 2: of MPs. You probably never heard of it. Nevertheless, they

940
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,720
Speaker 2: were opposing Mistrusk being the chair of this particular committee

941
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Speaker 2: and they thought Carmel cepalone might be better. The inference

942
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Speaker 2: being Carmel Cepaloni is the right color to do the job.

943
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Speaker 2: So one of three things the act Party's got going

944
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Speaker 2: on in Parliament, and with the Speaker at the moment,

945
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Speaker 2: will dissect them all with the act Party Leader David

946
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Speaker 2: Symour after the news which.

947
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Speaker 3: Is next.

948
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Speaker 1: The big news Bold opinions the mic Hosking breakfast with

949
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Speaker 1: the range rover villa designed to intrigue and use togs

950
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Speaker 1: Dead b.

951
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Speaker 2: Samuel Whitelocke, who is the most capta All Black of

952
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Speaker 2: all time all Black captain of course now retired, is

953
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Speaker 2: in Greece at the moment, and he's in Greece because

954
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Speaker 2: he's retired. And his story is quintessential in New Zealand,

955
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Speaker 2: one one of growing up on a farm of great

956
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 2: all back connections with the family of course, so a

957
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 2: great story. He's with us up to eight o'clock this

958
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:29,800
Speaker 2: morning speaking of stories. Though the weirdest stone in Parliament

959
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Speaker 2: as lapel pins became a standoff issue between ACT and

960
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 2: the Speaker. Then we had claims of racism over Select

961
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Speaker 2: Committee jobs, and then Karen Tua ended up in tears

962
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Speaker 2: claiming she's being bullied. So it's all to do with

963
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Speaker 2: the ACT Party. In the head of the ACT Party

964
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Speaker 2: is David Symore. He's with us very good morning, good morning.

965
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Speaker 2: Make the chure thing first. What's happened.

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Speaker 12: Well, Karen, as you know, has been advancing the six

967
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Speaker 12: and seven AA reforms which take out the requirement of

968
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Speaker 12: Orangatamriki to put the treaty ahead anything else. We want

969
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 12: children's welfare to be the number one issue when it

970
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 12: comes to orang A tama Riki's operation. We don't want

971
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 12: these reverse uplifts where you can get taken out of

972
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Speaker 12: her household because the parents are supposedly the long race.

973
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 12: Now Karen has copped a lot of flat for that,

974
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Speaker 12: and a lot of it's quite personal from people saying

975
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Speaker 12: mainly from two party Maori in Peace to some extent

976
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Speaker 12: from Greens and Labor in the House. I mean, certainly

977
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 12: there's people in the public, but some of the things

978
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Speaker 12: that are being said about her that she is, you know,

979
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Speaker 12: somehow has internalized racism, that she's not a proper Maori,

980
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Speaker 12: that she's on a trauma journey because of the trauma

981
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Speaker 12: that she had in her upbringing. She's not really doing

982
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:46,399
Speaker 12: the right thing. I mean, if they want to argue

983
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 12: the policy, go for it. I'm there all day, and

984
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 12: so as Karen. But it's the personalized attacks about her race,

985
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 12: at background and her upbringing that really are just as

986
00:46:58,200 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 12: unacceptable is Kennedy's.

987
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Speaker 2: I mean, the public's one thing you can't do a

988
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 2: lot of it is social media. But within the parliament

989
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 2: when that happens, is there anything I mean that's bullying

990
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 2: in the workplace.

991
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Speaker 3: Isn't it?

992
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 12: Well, it is. I mean, I just acknowledge that everything

993
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 12: going on parliamentary drama is probably the last thing people

994
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 12: want to hear about, but our parliament functioning does ultimately matter,

995
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 12: and it's important just to put out there that it's

996
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,800
Speaker 12: actually a sort of self governing community. I mean, technically

997
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 12: the police can't come onto Parliament crowns and arrest and

998
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 12: MP so we rely on our speaker to uphold the

999
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 12: rules and uphold the standards. And really what's happening here

1000
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 12: is actors increasingly frustrated when we take measures to the

1001
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Speaker 12: speaker and say that you actually need to uphold some

1002
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Speaker 12: standards because otherwise everything's just going to descend. We don't

1003
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Speaker 12: feel we're getting the response, and that's why you're seeing

1004
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:49,359
Speaker 12: some tension there.

1005
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 2: Okay, so the letter you wrote to Jerry brownling the

1006
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:56,240
Speaker 2: claim from Kappaki and Carter, with all due respect, people

1007
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:58,800
Speaker 2: will be very stressed about giving evidence on Simon double

1008
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Speaker 2: A where most of meters will be Mari. It would

1009
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Speaker 2: be better if they had someone chearing who is Mari

1010
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 2: or Pacifica, as they won't recognize themselves in you. Carter says, yes,

1011
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 2: it's better that Carmel as in Sepalone chairs as she

1012
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 2: is relatable to submit. It is that I mean? Is that?

1013
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 2: I mean that's racism, isn't it?

1014
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 12: Well, it's absolutely racism, and that is Laura's recollection that's

1015
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 12: been corroborated by three national MP's who were there. Just

1016
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:31,800
Speaker 12: to be clear, the context was there's a select committee,

1017
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 12: a closed door meeting. They had to choose amongst themselves

1018
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 12: somebody to chair a subcommittee to hear from members of

1019
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 12: the public and people said basically, Laura Trusk, who as

1020
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 12: a New Zealand European woman from christ Church, wouldn't be

1021
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Speaker 12: able to do the job because the submitters quote might

1022
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Speaker 12: not see themselves in you.

1023
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 2: I just it is.

1024
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:58,320
Speaker 12: It is racism. It wouldn't be allowed in any other workplace.

1025
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 12: I'm sure people listen would know if that happened to

1026
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 12: mere workplace. People have hit the ruth and all sorts

1027
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Speaker 12: of inquiries and all sorts. As I say, parliament is

1028
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 12: a sort of self governing community where we as MPs

1029
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 12: elect our speakers to uphold the rules. We wrote to

1030
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 12: the speaker we said this is pretty serious and the

1031
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:17,839
Speaker 12: response we got, which was copied back to the two

1032
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Speaker 12: people that we complained about their behavior, basically said there

1033
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 12: is no issue. I will take no further action. We

1034
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,319
Speaker 12: subsequently wrote back and say, hear, okay, mister Speaker, we

1035
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Speaker 12: reflect your rule because you know you've got to do

1036
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 12: all that, but can you please just address the issue

1037
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 12: of the race, because it goes to the heart of

1038
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 12: our democracy that New Zealanders can elect someone to represent

1039
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 12: them and that they cannot be easily intimated a little

1040
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 12: and discriminated or racially harassed, and again we haven't had

1041
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 12: much joy from that, so we're becoming increasingly frustrated. And

1042
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:53,840
Speaker 12: we know people don't want to hear about all this

1043
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,800
Speaker 12: parliamentary stuff, but we actually do think it's important, and

1044
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 12: that's why we've gone public with it.

1045
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 2: Where you might be in trouble here is the pin thing. See.

1046
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Speaker 2: I watched it play out yesterday, and you're a person

1047
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Speaker 2: of principle, and I get that, and your principle's right

1048
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 2: and the pen and I understand that, but once you

1049
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 2: get down to pins and lapels, that's where people go.

1050
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 2: You know what, surely we can do better than this,

1051
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Speaker 2: you know what I mean?

1052
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 12: Yeah, I totally accept that. I know people don't want

1053
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 12: to see it, and the pin thing is a sideshow,

1054
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 12: but I think the point it makes is that you've

1055
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Speaker 12: got a speaker who was actually prepared to stop people

1056
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 12: asking and answering questions because he wants them to not

1057
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Speaker 12: wear a pin, which, by the way, you know, even

1058
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 12: Truvor Mallard said you can wear five years ago, and

1059
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 12: everyone has for years. So he's quite happy to go

1060
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 12: to the wall on that, but he's not addressing these

1061
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 12: deeper issues around a member of Parliament being told that

1062
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 12: she can't do a job because of their racial background.

1063
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 12: When stuff like that comes up, that's just whatever. And

1064
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:51,840
Speaker 12: as a result, the standards are slipping and as a result,

1065
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:54,839
Speaker 12: people like Karen are very upset by the way the

1066
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:58,800
Speaker 12: tone of Parliament is changing, the abuse that's been thrown

1067
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,359
Speaker 12: around and ultimate is bad for all of us. That's

1068
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Speaker 12: why we're taking the stand.

1069
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Speaker 2: Good to talk to you appreciate it very much. David Seymour,

1070
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Speaker 2: the act leader. Then for all of you have said

1071
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 2: can they wear Palestinian scarfs? Once again, I reiterate Brownly's thinking.

1072
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 2: A Palestinian scarf is not party paraphernalia. It doesn't represent

1073
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 2: a party. It's not green, it's not labor, it's not national.

1074
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Speaker 2: It's the party paraphernalia you can't wear. It's the same

1075
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Speaker 2: way if you have more a Gucci T shirt that

1076
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Speaker 2: you wouldn't be banned because it's not party paraphernalia. Seventeen

1077
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Speaker 2: to eight Mike Costing Breakfast fourteen away from eight. You

1078
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:33,320
Speaker 2: split on Seymour, Mike can't wish more MPs had Seymour's

1079
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 2: plane speaking manner stands out like a slap in the

1080
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Speaker 2: face when you compare into people like Chloe Mike Act

1081
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Speaker 2: as too principle to focused on MINUTIAI there are more

1082
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Speaker 2: important issues in the country. Act becomes irrelevant to the

1083
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:47,320
Speaker 2: vast majority of voters. It's time wasting. Jerome Powell, the Fed,

1084
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 2: we're all fascinated. We've got Australia coming next week and

1085
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:53,439
Speaker 2: the global debate over inflation and when the interest rates

1086
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 2: start to get cut has never been more prevalent in

1087
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 2: our minds. So the Fed this morning, We're never really

1088
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 2: going to move, but as always the commentary is the

1089
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 2: important But will they move and if they do win?

1090
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Speaker 2: This is Powell.

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Speaker 23: The economy is moving closer to the point at which

1092
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 23: it will be appropriate to reduce our policy rate. In

1093
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 23: that we will be data dependent, but not data point dependent,

1094
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:16,839
Speaker 23: so it will not be a question of responding specifically

1095
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 23: to one or two data releases. The question will be

1096
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 23: whether the totality of the data, the evolving outlook in

1097
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 23: the balance of risks are consistent with rising confidence on

1098
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 23: inflation and maintaining a solid labor market. If that test

1099
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 23: is met, a reduction in our policy rate could be

1100
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 23: on the table as soon as the next meeting.

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00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 3: In September.

1102
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:38,799
Speaker 2: There we go, and that's what you were wanting to hear, or well,

1103
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 2: that's what many people were wanting to hear. And of course,

1104
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:42,799
Speaker 2: of if they go, who else goes because of that?

1105
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,879
Speaker 2: Then we come back to Chicago and one wonders, it's

1106
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:48,400
Speaker 2: all oben. Now for Donald I just wonder whether he

1107
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 2: regrets accepting the inviot. But he did get a chance

1108
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 2: to talk about black jobs and illegal immigrants.

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00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:57,840
Speaker 14: A lot of the journalists in this room are black.

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00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 14: I will tell you that coming from the border are

1111
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:06,760
Speaker 14: millions and millions of people that happen to be taking

1112
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 14: black jobs.

1113
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:10,799
Speaker 13: You had the best what exactly the black job, sir?

1114
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:13,720
Speaker 14: A black job is anybody that has a job.

1115
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 4: That's what it is.

1116
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 14: Anybody that has all right, and they take they're taking

1117
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 14: the employment away from black people. They're coming in, and

1118
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 14: they're coming.

1119
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 3: In, they're invading.

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Speaker 14: It's an invasion of millions of people. Probably fifteen, sixteen,

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00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 14: seventeen million people. I have a feeling it's much more

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00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 14: than that.

1123
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Speaker 12: Yep.

1124
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 2: Could be eighteen, nineteen, twenty, twenty one, twenty two, and

1125
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:35,760
Speaker 2: just keep on counting. Anyway, we got onto the court cases,

1126
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 2: particularly the one with Florida. That's the one with will

1127
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:39,840
Speaker 2: the paperwork in the toilet.

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Speaker 14: I won the case and got very little publicity. I

1129
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:45,400
Speaker 14: didn't notice ABC doing any publicity on it.

1130
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:48,360
Speaker 2: George were coming in a lot to move over on.

1131
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 14: I didn't notice you do any publicity on it at all.

1132
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 14: I won the case. The biggest case. This is an

1133
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:58,880
Speaker 14: attack on a political opponent. I have another one where.

1134
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:01,279
Speaker 13: I have a we have you for a limited time, sir.

1135
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 13: I'd love to move on a different No, choose you.

1136
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:04,799
Speaker 14: You're the one that held me up at thirty five

1137
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 14: minutes to say.

1138
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:10,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so, that's sort of the way it went.

1139
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 2: I would have thought a Supreme Court case was probably

1140
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,239
Speaker 2: more important than the Florida case. But then again, that's

1141
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 2: just me turn away from its rapist with Bailey's estates talk.

1142
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 2: So back to the Middle East, the assassination of the

1143
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 2: Hamas leader. Of course, in Iran, the fear grows that

1144
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 2: the war was about to go Regional Foreign off his

1145
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 2: columnists for The Spectator these days formerly the BBC, of course,

1146
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 2: Paul Woods with us Paul Morning. No one's claimed this

1147
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 2: haven they.

1148
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:41,719
Speaker 4: Well, the Israelis are neither confirming nor denying it. But

1149
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 4: who else would it be. In both cases, the strike

1150
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:48,240
Speaker 4: in Beirut and the assassination in Tehran. We don't exactly

1151
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:50,800
Speaker 4: know what happened in Tehran, but certainly it would be

1152
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 4: absurd to think that anybody but the Israelis did this.

1153
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 2: When the Iranians go, do they go big? And what happens? Then?

1154
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 4: Well, this is exactly the quest, isn't it. Israel has

1155
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 4: gambled that Iran doesn't want to wider war, but they

1156
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 4: could have miscalculated. Certainly, Iran will have to respond, and

1157
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 4: I think the Iranian national security has met and the

1158
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:14,280
Speaker 4: Iranian Supreme Leader has let it be known through various

1159
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 4: officials quoted in various media outlets, that there will be

1160
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:20,279
Speaker 4: a response. They from their point of view, they have

1161
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:24,319
Speaker 4: to restore to terence, They have to restore their credibility

1162
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 4: in the eyes of their allies. This is a humiliation

1163
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 4: for them. So you may remember that back in April

1164
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 4: there was a presumed Israeli strike on a diplomatic building

1165
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 4: in Syria in Damascus, which killed some senior Iranians. Hundreds

1166
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 4: of missiles were fired by Iran onto Israeli soil, the

1167
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 4: biggest attack, completely unprecedented I think they may have to

1168
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:50,280
Speaker 4: go bigger than that. Now, the Iranians are very rational

1169
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:52,840
Speaker 4: when they do these things. They are thought to have

1170
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 4: telegraphed these missile attacks in April, so the Israelis could

1171
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 4: take them down. We may see, if the region is lucky,

1172
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:00,799
Speaker 4: it'll something like that.

1173
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 2: Again, how strich does nittnyahuo domestically at the moment on

1174
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 2: all these fronts, given what's happened with the original war

1175
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 2: end Gaza and all the pressure he's under internationally.

1176
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:14,319
Speaker 4: Well, the cynics would say, and the cynics being his

1177
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 4: critics abroad and his opponents at home, that he needs

1178
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:21,240
Speaker 4: this ongoing conflict. He need ongoing conflicts of some kind.

1179
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 4: And one of the things that these two strikes assassinations

1180
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 4: do is take a piece deal off the table. Supposedly

1181
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:31,920
Speaker 4: they were edging towards a ceasefire deal in Gaza. I

1182
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 4: can't imagine HAMS, having lost its political leader, will contemplate

1183
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 4: that in the short term. As one Palaestinian official said,

1184
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 4: the Allys have just killed the person they were negotiating

1185
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 4: with ultimately, and that the Senates would say that helps

1186
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:47,840
Speaker 4: mister Netanyahu, as you say, is under pressure and all

1187
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 4: sorts of fronts.

1188
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:50,880
Speaker 2: But that's the difficulty. I mean, if you believe that rhytoric,

1189
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 2: I mean, what was the river going to I mean, yes,

1190
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 2: they've been talking for months, and yes they keep going

1191
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:56,719
Speaker 2: back to Egypt, and yes there's lots of people around

1192
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:58,799
Speaker 2: the table, But I mean, was the river? Is the

1193
00:56:58,880 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 2: river going to be a peace deal?

1194
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 4: It's very hard to imagine. But if you go by President,

1195
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 4: although we're in you know, more Jews were killed on

1196
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:13,440
Speaker 4: one day on October seventh, and since the Holocaust, the

1197
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 4: death toll for the Palestinians is shockingly high, perhaps one

1198
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 4: and a half getting on for two percent of the

1199
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Speaker 4: population of Gaza. So it's very hard to see how

1200
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 4: things can end, but they always have ended in the past.

1201
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:29,480
Speaker 4: These Raelis have a terribly a terribly vivid phrase, it's

1202
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 4: cutting the grass in Gaza, and they've been doing that,

1203
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 4: but just on a much larger scale. At some point,

1204
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 4: the diplomatic pressure for the Americans on these railiers will

1205
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 4: become too great to resist. At some point, larger than

1206
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 4: military objectives will have been achieved. They're not going to

1207
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:48,960
Speaker 4: destroy her mass, but they could degrade her mass sufficiently

1208
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 4: to claim victory. And then they will need a deal

1209
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 4: to bring the hostages home. It's a question really of

1210
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 4: when all sides exhausted and has there been a regional

1211
00:57:57,120 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 4: a wider war provoked in the meantime, And that's the

1212
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 4: dangerous point are right now?

1213
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 2: It was a great pleasure Paul Paul Wood, who's the

1214
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 2: foreign affairs columnist for the Spectator. Of course, so whether

1215
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 2: it's this morning out of London still to come on

1216
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 2: the program, are we Gavin Gray after eight thirty Southport

1217
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:14,160
Speaker 2: to deal with Hugh Edwards who doesn't seem to have

1218
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 2: got any sort of coverage. Hugh Edwards. You'll know the

1219
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 2: name if you've ever watched the BBC. Hugh Edwards was

1220
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:23,640
Speaker 2: the pre eminent newsreader for the BBC. He covered it all,

1221
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 2: he did everything, he went everywhere, and then last year

1222
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 2: all of a sudden started to implode and this personal

1223
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:33,400
Speaker 2: life of his appeared to be problematic. There's a debate

1224
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 2: as to how the BBC handled it, Why they kept

1225
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 2: paying him such a large salary for such a sustained

1226
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 2: period of time while the investigations went on. And then

1227
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 2: it culminates this morning in a guilty plea. And so

1228
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:49,000
Speaker 2: the fall from grace is complete. So between Southport and

1229
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:51,480
Speaker 2: Hugh Edwards, there's plenty going on in that particular part

1230
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:52,920
Speaker 2: of the world, as well as Gavin Gray who reflect

1231
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:54,840
Speaker 2: on that. But in a couple of moments you'll like this,

1232
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 2: Samuel Whitelock retired. Now that the most capped all black

1233
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:01,160
Speaker 2: of all time. Next after the.

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00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:07,160
Speaker 1: News, your trusted source for news and fews, the Mike

1235
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 1: Hosking Breakfast with Bailey's Real Estate doing real estate differently

1236
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:14,000
Speaker 1: since nineteen seventy three news tog saed b.

1237
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 3: This the my life.

1238
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:23,000
Speaker 2: Here seventy post State to Samuel Whitelock story one of legend.

1239
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:26,080
Speaker 2: The farming family who contributed all Blacks through several generations

1240
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:27,919
Speaker 2: turned out to be the most captive all time. Of course,

1241
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty three of them ended up a

1242
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:31,920
Speaker 2: two time World Cup winner and World Rugby Player of

1243
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 2: the Year. And of course Captain just ended his career

1244
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 2: in France with Poe final ever. Actual game was for

1245
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 2: the bar Bars the other day against Fiji. Now the

1246
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:44,000
Speaker 2: whole story, the autobiography view from the second row. Samuel

1247
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 2: Whitelock is with us from Greece. Very good morning, good morning. Right,

1248
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 2: let me before I start talking about you, talk about

1249
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:53,920
Speaker 2: somebody else, Scott Robertson, who writes a very very nice

1250
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:57,560
Speaker 2: forward in the book about you. Your observations of Scott

1251
00:59:57,680 --> 01:00:00,680
Speaker 2: so far as an all black coach, and what you

1252
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 2: make of the man and the magic he's brought to

1253
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:04,640
Speaker 2: you and other players.

1254
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:10,600
Speaker 9: Yeah, Race has been been awesome for myself and not

1255
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 9: only myself, actually all three for a sorry, all three

1256
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 9: brothers of mine. And that's one of the reasons we

1257
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:19,080
Speaker 9: want him to write the foreword of my book, because

1258
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:22,280
Speaker 9: he has a great relationship, not just with myself but

1259
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 9: the whole family. Know it's mom and dad really well

1260
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:30,800
Speaker 9: a grandparents, cousins, uncles, aunties, so he probably understands us

1261
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 9: best in the social side, but also the coaching studies

1262
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:38,040
Speaker 9: had all of us there and from what I've seen

1263
01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:41,400
Speaker 9: so far, and I've seen the three games that he's

1264
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 9: been in charge, they's got the job done and that's

1265
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:46,960
Speaker 9: the main thing. He'll be out there to win the

1266
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:51,400
Speaker 9: first couple and get settled into the new role that

1267
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:53,600
Speaker 9: he has, and all the other coaches and players that

1268
01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:56,240
Speaker 9: he's feeling exact the same. So it's pretty different. Yeah,

1269
01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 9: another side of the world with thirty five degrees watching

1270
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 9: game Rugby recommends there, especially at first one underneath and

1271
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:06,080
Speaker 9: that looked pretty cold. So it's a different feeling for

1272
01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:06,959
Speaker 9: myself at the moment.

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01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:09,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, we should explain that you're sitting talking to us

1274
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:12,800
Speaker 2: from Greece. You are retired as you sit on your

1275
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:16,800
Speaker 2: balcony this morning. Do you feel complete and content?

1276
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:20,480
Speaker 9: Yes?

1277
01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:20,720
Speaker 11: And no?

1278
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:23,240
Speaker 9: I think you always did that part of me. It'll

1279
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:26,040
Speaker 9: say one more and you know, if that phone d ring,

1280
01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:28,440
Speaker 9: I'd jump at it pretty quickly, I think. But at

1281
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:32,320
Speaker 9: the same time, here was my family sitting on balcony

1282
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:35,960
Speaker 9: looking out at Albania, sitting in the Greek island thirty

1283
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:38,840
Speaker 9: five degrees today and I'm sweating as it is in

1284
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:41,520
Speaker 9: It's eight o'clock at night. So it's a pretty hard

1285
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:42,320
Speaker 9: thing to go past.

1286
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:46,680
Speaker 2: How did this all come about? How was Is there

1287
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:50,040
Speaker 2: a moment or is it a series of moments where

1288
01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:51,920
Speaker 2: you go this is it?

1289
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:54,720
Speaker 11: Yeah?

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01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:59,200
Speaker 9: Yeah, there's a couple of times where I kind of thought,

1291
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 9: you know, I've got to end it at some stage

1292
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:05,000
Speaker 9: otherwise someone will for me being a coach, saying hey, look,

1293
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:07,280
Speaker 9: we're not going to slip to all this. There's no

1294
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:11,800
Speaker 9: contract going forward and we had an opportunity to fly

1295
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:14,080
Speaker 9: over the start of the world and play in France

1296
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Speaker 9: with my little brother and really enjoying my time at

1297
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:18,960
Speaker 9: the club. But I just got to a stage where

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01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:22,000
Speaker 9: I thought, I've got to be sensible here. I could

1299
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:25,080
Speaker 9: go another season still feel like I'm playing pretty good rugby.

1300
01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:28,760
Speaker 9: I just thought, hey, it's time to actually prioritize the

1301
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:33,200
Speaker 9: family and not rugby and look forward to the mixed

1302
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:36,480
Speaker 9: chapter of life. And we know that rugby is going

1303
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:38,560
Speaker 9: to be a part of it, but what that looks

1304
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:40,720
Speaker 9: like is exactly was still working out. So we're just

1305
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:42,400
Speaker 9: trying to take a bit of time at the moment,

1306
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:45,200
Speaker 9: and we thought we'd enjoy some of the summer over

1307
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:48,960
Speaker 9: here rather than race back to the cold southerly that

1308
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:50,040
Speaker 9: a he has gone up the country.

1309
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:53,320
Speaker 2: So this era that you're in at the moment, this

1310
01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:58,440
Speaker 2: unknown aspect of it, is it exhilarating or concerning.

1311
01:02:58,120 --> 01:02:58,520
Speaker 3: Or what.

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01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:04,880
Speaker 9: It's part of everything? It's new and different. We are

1313
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:09,440
Speaker 9: moving back to Hawk's Bay to our familyre so we

1314
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:11,560
Speaker 9: know what ninety percent of the time is going to

1315
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:14,720
Speaker 9: look like. We're going to be starting the real world,

1316
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:18,200
Speaker 9: the hard world, So it's going to be heaps of

1317
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:21,400
Speaker 9: things to do and things to keep my teeth stuck into.

1318
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:23,720
Speaker 9: But at the same time, it's going to be completely

1319
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:27,600
Speaker 9: different to playing professional rugby and serving around the world

1320
01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:30,120
Speaker 9: and staying at these splash hotels and playing in front

1321
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:32,880
Speaker 9: of sold out crowds. So it's going to be challenging

1322
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:36,120
Speaker 9: and different and there's a whole lot of different emotions

1323
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:40,960
Speaker 9: that go with it. The excitement, but the nerves. One

1324
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:44,840
Speaker 9: can imagine changing jobs and changing we are living. Obviously,

1325
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:48,240
Speaker 9: the support networth is one thing. But the best thing

1326
01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:51,080
Speaker 9: about rugby is no matter where you go, you've always

1327
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:54,480
Speaker 9: got great mates that are there somewhere and they'll look

1328
01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:56,280
Speaker 9: after if need be good stuff.

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01:03:56,280 --> 01:03:57,960
Speaker 2: Hey, listen, hold on a couple of mons, Mike, we'll

1330
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:00,480
Speaker 2: come back with more. Shorty Samuel Whitelocke. The book is

1331
01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:03,600
Speaker 2: from the view from the second row. More shortly twelve past.

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01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:05,840
Speaker 3: Eight the Mike Hosking breakfast.

1333
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:08,120
Speaker 2: He was talking a bit quarter past state. Samuel Whitelock

1334
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:10,560
Speaker 2: out of Greece in retirement these days. Listen, listen just

1335
01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:12,720
Speaker 2: quickly back to Scott Robson. He talks a lot about

1336
01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:15,320
Speaker 2: you've referenced that you know your family, the tradition and

1337
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:18,360
Speaker 2: all the rural community. Do you think, given that you're

1338
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:20,920
Speaker 2: part of it, how it shaped you? But if you

1339
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:23,280
Speaker 2: think that you know that tradition between the All Blacks

1340
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:26,200
Speaker 2: and the magic of the key we combination of rural

1341
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:28,400
Speaker 2: New Zealand and tight family, the all Blacks connection, do

1342
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:30,320
Speaker 2: you reckon that served you exceedingly well.

1343
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:34,040
Speaker 9: Yeah, there was one thing that I had to kind

1344
01:04:34,040 --> 01:04:36,840
Speaker 9: of open up about a little bit more in the book.

1345
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:40,200
Speaker 9: And Dylan Cleaver, who helped write it, or he wrote

1346
01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:44,000
Speaker 9: and I did the interviews, he was outstanding. He did

1347
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:49,120
Speaker 9: his homework and understood that their farming runs through our family.

1348
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:53,240
Speaker 9: I think all my aunts and uncles are farmies, but

1349
01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:56,000
Speaker 9: then also understood the rugby side of it. Rugby has

1350
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:59,360
Speaker 9: always been side and side with farming. So he went

1351
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:02,320
Speaker 9: through and around My uncle was an All Black, to

1352
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:04,360
Speaker 9: talk about my grandfather that was an All Black, my

1353
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:06,520
Speaker 9: brothers that have played for All Blacks to New Zealand

1354
01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:10,080
Speaker 9: and seven talked around what it's like growing up as

1355
01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:15,440
Speaker 9: a farming, mad, rugby mad household, four boys, no sisters.

1356
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:18,120
Speaker 9: How it was pretty rough at times, and it was

1357
01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:21,360
Speaker 9: because we were probably a little bit naughty. But I

1358
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:24,560
Speaker 9: think that's why I decided to end up writing it

1359
01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:27,040
Speaker 9: in the end because at the start I wasn't too

1360
01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:30,080
Speaker 9: keeen and said no a couple of times. But as

1361
01:05:30,080 --> 01:05:32,360
Speaker 9: actually Wayne Smith said to me, what are you going

1362
01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:36,320
Speaker 9: to get to your grandkids when you know your stories

1363
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:37,920
Speaker 9: faded a little bit? But you can give them this

1364
01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:41,920
Speaker 9: hard copy and say, hey, this is what granddad did,

1365
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:45,360
Speaker 9: hopefully in time and say this was part of our

1366
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:47,440
Speaker 9: life that was pretty amazing. But it's not only my

1367
01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:49,040
Speaker 9: sworitch for the family story.

1368
01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:55,920
Speaker 2: Now, what's your observation on families and excellence? Like the Barretts,

1369
01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:59,360
Speaker 2: if you are born into a family, can you achieve

1370
01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:03,880
Speaker 2: excellent at athletic pursuit if you simply try? Or is

1371
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:05,040
Speaker 2: it genetic? Do you reckon?

1372
01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:10,360
Speaker 9: I think there's a genetic part of it. Obviously, if

1373
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:13,240
Speaker 9: you want to be a basketball player and your five

1374
01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:15,600
Speaker 9: feet tall potent, you might be a bit tricky. But

1375
01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:19,880
Speaker 9: I think family, and this is my experience with our family.

1376
01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:23,680
Speaker 9: It's the standards that you keep at home, and whether

1377
01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:26,520
Speaker 9: that's making your bed in the morning, whether that's fameing

1378
01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:29,920
Speaker 9: the door for a grandmother to walk through first. Those

1379
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:34,600
Speaker 9: little things, those subconscious things, they shine out when you're

1380
01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:38,320
Speaker 9: under pressure. On a football field, and I think that's

1381
01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:41,200
Speaker 9: ninety percent of it, is the family you're born into.

1382
01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:44,440
Speaker 9: But at the same time, it's not just family. It's

1383
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:46,920
Speaker 9: also your five or six pass mates. And I know

1384
01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:49,240
Speaker 9: for myself, I talk about it in the book A

1385
01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:51,200
Speaker 9: little bit. I got into a bit of trouble at school,

1386
01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:54,520
Speaker 9: but then fell in love with basketball, and the five

1387
01:06:54,560 --> 01:06:57,000
Speaker 9: guys that were playing basketball were awesome guys, and they

1388
01:06:57,680 --> 01:06:59,240
Speaker 9: helped me get out of that little bit of trouble

1389
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:02,800
Speaker 9: and fell in love with another game, and it definitely

1390
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:06,800
Speaker 9: helped me down the rugby pathway a few years later.

1391
01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:10,480
Speaker 9: So family is definitely part of it, Jimmyricks is another

1392
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:13,320
Speaker 9: part that your five vis makes is definitely here in

1393
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:13,760
Speaker 9: my mind.

1394
01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:16,600
Speaker 2: I wonder also, I think about your career because I

1395
01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:19,240
Speaker 2: followed the whole thing, But I wonder if you came

1396
01:07:19,240 --> 01:07:21,480
Speaker 2: along you were lucky, you came along at the right

1397
01:07:21,560 --> 01:07:25,320
Speaker 2: time in the sense that rugby has transformed itself in

1398
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:29,440
Speaker 2: the most remarkable way during your career, whether it be professionalism,

1399
01:07:29,560 --> 01:07:33,880
Speaker 2: the money, the opportunities, the health, the fitness, the dietary requirements.

1400
01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:35,520
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a different game from when your dad

1401
01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:36,360
Speaker 2: or granddad played.

1402
01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:41,640
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's completely there. Even sitting with some of the

1403
01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:44,280
Speaker 9: young guys the last couple of years and an old

1404
01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:47,080
Speaker 9: game comes on and looking at the scrum, the scrum's

1405
01:07:47,080 --> 01:07:50,560
Speaker 9: completely different now and they all ask and oh, you

1406
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:53,040
Speaker 9: used to play there, and you know you joke here

1407
01:07:53,040 --> 01:07:54,720
Speaker 9: and you know I missed Jonah Bye. I think it

1408
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:57,320
Speaker 9: was one or two seasons and anyone goes, oh, you're

1409
01:07:57,400 --> 01:07:59,560
Speaker 9: really old now, and yeah, a few grave here is

1410
01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:03,760
Speaker 9: coming in slowly, but it just shows it's always evolving,

1411
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:06,280
Speaker 9: it's always growing. And I think that's the best thing

1412
01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:10,160
Speaker 9: about sport in general. People always trying new things. And

1413
01:08:10,680 --> 01:08:13,400
Speaker 9: I think of the Kiwi way, the number eight. Why

1414
01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:15,959
Speaker 9: we're always coming up with a new idea of doing

1415
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:19,880
Speaker 9: something different, And I think that's the cool thing to

1416
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:22,600
Speaker 9: be a part of. And I think you nailed it.

1417
01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:27,599
Speaker 9: I've had an outstanding introduction to the sport. The guys

1418
01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:31,440
Speaker 9: that set me up, the brand thorns of the world,

1419
01:08:31,479 --> 01:08:33,639
Speaker 9: just passed on all their knowledge and said, hey, look

1420
01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:35,800
Speaker 9: this is what I did, this what worked for me.

1421
01:08:36,120 --> 01:08:37,960
Speaker 9: If you want to take it, great if you don't,

1422
01:08:38,280 --> 01:08:40,640
Speaker 9: let school as well, And I just grab it with

1423
01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:45,240
Speaker 9: two hands and just try to keep the nose clean

1424
01:08:45,320 --> 01:08:49,120
Speaker 9: and get stuck in and it's amazing hatickally your regul

1425
01:08:49,160 --> 01:08:50,200
Speaker 9: career finishes now.

1426
01:08:50,840 --> 01:08:52,640
Speaker 2: Actually, there's a very nice piece of advice in the

1427
01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:55,000
Speaker 2: book from you to current players, because you say you

1428
01:08:55,080 --> 01:08:57,800
Speaker 2: talk more about players who are pasted as opposed to

1429
01:08:57,880 --> 01:08:59,680
Speaker 2: players who are current because you don't want to talk

1430
01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:03,040
Speaker 2: them up too much. But what a wonderful piece of advice.

1431
01:09:03,160 --> 01:09:05,400
Speaker 2: It's over before you realize, isn't it.

1432
01:09:07,720 --> 01:09:12,280
Speaker 9: Yeah, it has been. I remember sitting there talking to

1433
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:15,400
Speaker 9: the brad Thorns of the world, and Dawning was a

1434
01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:18,320
Speaker 9: massive influence on me. But like he had four kids,

1435
01:09:18,479 --> 01:09:21,439
Speaker 9: I was twenty one, payingful all blacks, playing alongside them

1436
01:09:21,439 --> 01:09:24,479
Speaker 9: with a whole other all black locks, and he keep

1437
01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:28,400
Speaker 9: grumming it into Owen Franks myself saying, look, you guys

1438
01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:30,320
Speaker 9: can play teen plus years if you want, but it

1439
01:09:30,360 --> 01:09:34,639
Speaker 9: will go so quick. Enjoy the whole journey. And it's

1440
01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:38,439
Speaker 9: actually something that I'm reinforcing insane people now because it

1441
01:09:38,479 --> 01:09:42,040
Speaker 9: honestly feels like I've blinked and my whole career is done.

1442
01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:44,720
Speaker 9: Doesn't mean that Rugy's finished. It means it's just going

1443
01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:48,400
Speaker 9: to look different, whether it's some coaching stuff, some mentoring,

1444
01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:51,479
Speaker 9: or even just being a total fan. And that's what

1445
01:09:51,560 --> 01:09:54,479
Speaker 9: we're enjoying at the moment, tuning in early in the

1446
01:09:54,479 --> 01:09:56,960
Speaker 9: morning over here and doing what we used to do

1447
01:09:57,000 --> 01:09:59,280
Speaker 9: as kids. And my kids are doing the same now

1448
01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:01,519
Speaker 9: for they're getting up and watching some of these awesome

1449
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:04,840
Speaker 9: players out there and compete against some other teams around

1450
01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:05,160
Speaker 9: the world.

1451
01:10:05,439 --> 01:10:08,200
Speaker 2: Good stuff. Well, we've enjoyed it. I hope you've enjoyed it.

1452
01:10:08,240 --> 01:10:10,559
Speaker 2: The book's fantastic. Lovely to catch up with you and

1453
01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:11,759
Speaker 2: have the best time in Greece.

1454
01:10:12,920 --> 01:10:13,400
Speaker 9: Thanks Mike.

1455
01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:17,400
Speaker 2: Samuel Whitelock view from the second row. Dad's Day gift

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Speaker 2: dot co dot zsky Mike. After listening to Sam Whitelock.

1485
01:11:41,200 --> 01:11:43,559
Speaker 2: I went and quickly made my bed. There's a lovely

1486
01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:46,400
Speaker 2: message in that, isn't there That It's the way you

1487
01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:49,400
Speaker 2: treat people, It's the way you raised, it's all of that.

1488
01:11:49,400 --> 01:11:51,519
Speaker 2: It comes to pass over a period of time. By

1489
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1490
01:11:54,760 --> 01:11:58,679
Speaker 2: million dollar campaign to promote wool can I also pass

1491
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Speaker 2: on my terrific thanks and good wishes to Toy World

1492
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Speaker 2: No less. Toy World are returning to Rota Rua the

1493
01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:07,439
Speaker 2: city center after eleven years away, and in these dire

1494
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1495
01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:15,040
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1496
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Speaker 2: opportunity to quote unquote make Rota Ruer great again. So

1497
01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:24,200
Speaker 2: they're back as of tomorrow, new premises CBD. So there's

1498
01:12:24,200 --> 01:12:25,639
Speaker 2: a whole bunch of good stuff going on. And wrote

1499
01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:27,639
Speaker 2: a ruin. Isn't it amazing? What of just a little

1500
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:33,160
Speaker 2: change of attitude and the odd policy around motels brings

1501
01:12:33,200 --> 01:12:35,719
Speaker 2: to a town Mike, where can we get that country

1502
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Speaker 2: I haven't had time to go to Spotify this morning,

1507
01:12:55,560 --> 01:12:59,600
Speaker 2: but I'm assuming it's number one, lad distance.

1508
01:13:01,200 --> 01:13:03,800
Speaker 16: Are you sure it's generative AI and not Degenerative AI.

1509
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:09,200
Speaker 2: You still don't like it? I think it's scott and

1510
01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:11,760
Speaker 2: worm quality to it.

1511
01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:14,920
Speaker 21: It definitely sounds like it's full of steak something maybe worms.

1512
01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:17,320
Speaker 2: Tomorrow after eighties we'll do a whole.

1513
01:13:20,920 --> 01:13:22,200
Speaker 12: I'm sure I'm not going to be able to find

1514
01:13:22,200 --> 01:13:22,799
Speaker 12: this tomorrow.

1515
01:13:24,240 --> 01:13:25,920
Speaker 2: It's got a very short race s date on it.

1516
01:13:26,120 --> 01:13:38,200
Speaker 2: Don't don't talk over around recording this to my stick.

1517
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Speaker 3: My speed.

1518
01:13:44,040 --> 01:13:52,120
Speaker 2: Engines dreams in his world every you can't him news

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01:13:52,160 --> 01:13:53,680
Speaker 2: for you in a couple of moments. Then we'll take

1520
01:13:53,720 --> 01:13:55,760
Speaker 2: you to Devin Gray is doing the business for you

1521
01:13:55,800 --> 01:13:56,920
Speaker 2: today in the UK.

1522
01:13:58,040 --> 01:14:01,400
Speaker 1: Setting the news agenda and digging into the issues the

1523
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Speaker 1: Mic Hosking Breakfast with Veda, Retirement, Communities, Life Your Way,

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Speaker 1: News Dogs, d.

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Speaker 2: B Mike Toy Worlds just reopened fung Ray two after

1526
01:14:10,080 --> 01:14:11,839
Speaker 2: many years, so great to see. Well, this is encouraging,

1527
01:14:11,960 --> 01:14:13,880
Speaker 2: very very encouraging. Hayden whild By the way the big

1528
01:14:13,880 --> 01:14:15,960
Speaker 2: middle winner of the overnight stession. As far as the

1529
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:18,280
Speaker 2: Olympics are concerned. In the triathlon, it did turn out

1530
01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:20,000
Speaker 2: to be the triathlon, which is the good news in

1531
01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:21,960
Speaker 2: and of itself. He'll be with us in a couple

1532
01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:22,360
Speaker 2: of moments.

1533
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Speaker 15: Twenty three to nine International correspondence with Insied Eye Insurance

1534
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Speaker 15: Peace of Mind for New Zealand Business.

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Speaker 2: In the UK hot seat today, Gavin Gray, Gavin, very

1536
01:14:31,680 --> 01:14:34,479
Speaker 2: good morning to you. Hi, don't Mike just explain to us.

1537
01:14:34,520 --> 01:14:36,599
Speaker 2: I mean Southport. We all know what happened the original attack,

1538
01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:39,720
Speaker 2: but it exploded. You got any number of officers in jured,

1539
01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:42,000
Speaker 2: you got people in the hospital, you got the police dogged.

1540
01:14:42,080 --> 01:14:43,120
Speaker 2: What the hell happened?

1541
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:47,120
Speaker 20: Yeah? Well, there were rumors on social media that the

1542
01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:50,479
Speaker 20: teenager who was being the main suspect being questioned by

1543
01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:53,920
Speaker 20: police was an illegal migrant. Now we know his parents

1544
01:14:53,960 --> 01:14:56,640
Speaker 20: were from Rwanda, but he was actually born in the

1545
01:14:56,720 --> 01:14:59,200
Speaker 20: UK and Cardiff and then moved to the northwest of

1546
01:14:59,320 --> 01:15:03,320
Speaker 20: England early in his life. And this information the authorities

1547
01:15:03,439 --> 01:15:07,160
Speaker 20: misinformation tried to stamp on, but lots of far right

1548
01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:09,960
Speaker 20: people said, right, we've got to crack down on these illegals.

1549
01:15:09,960 --> 01:15:13,240
Speaker 20: They immediately went to a mosque in Southport began to

1550
01:15:13,280 --> 01:15:15,960
Speaker 20: throw bricks at it, even though they were told this

1551
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:18,439
Speaker 20: has got nothing to do with that mosc or indeed

1552
01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:21,760
Speaker 20: a terrorist attack or anything like that. There was a

1553
01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:25,040
Speaker 20: bit of a social media call to arms, as it were,

1554
01:15:25,080 --> 01:15:27,880
Speaker 20: I suspect on the far right, and there were people

1555
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:30,760
Speaker 20: not just from Southport or that area, but actually from

1556
01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:33,040
Speaker 20: a quite wide area in the UK. Now, I have

1557
01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:37,960
Speaker 20: to tell you Southport tonight is actually tense but quite quiet. However, Mike,

1558
01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:40,840
Speaker 20: believe it or not, there's almost a semi right now

1559
01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:44,720
Speaker 20: outside Downing Street where more people, it would appear from

1560
01:15:44,760 --> 01:15:48,840
Speaker 20: the right wing English Defense League supporters are said to

1561
01:15:48,880 --> 01:15:52,280
Speaker 20: be protesting there. They are very angry at the government

1562
01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:54,920
Speaker 20: not doing enough to stop the small boats, and they

1563
01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:57,639
Speaker 20: are questioning the police saying this has nothing to do

1564
01:15:58,000 --> 01:15:59,519
Speaker 20: with any asylum seeking.

1565
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:02,080
Speaker 2: Do we have any sense of the motive yet for

1566
01:16:02,120 --> 01:16:04,839
Speaker 2: the seventeen year old No, And that's.

1567
01:16:04,640 --> 01:16:08,080
Speaker 20: Going to be absolutely key to I think quelling some

1568
01:16:08,120 --> 01:16:11,240
Speaker 20: of these rumors, and that is why some are getting

1569
01:16:11,240 --> 01:16:13,160
Speaker 20: a little bit critical of the police, saying, look, we

1570
01:16:13,240 --> 01:16:16,519
Speaker 20: really need some more information. But of course, by law,

1571
01:16:17,560 --> 01:16:20,080
Speaker 20: the suspect is under age so we're not going to

1572
01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:22,720
Speaker 20: be told his name. He's entitled to anonymity in this

1573
01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:26,960
Speaker 20: country and until it actually, if it actually goes to court,

1574
01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:30,240
Speaker 20: you know, we won't know very much at all about it.

1575
01:16:30,280 --> 01:16:34,160
Speaker 20: But I think it's this Social media has absolutely burnt

1576
01:16:34,200 --> 01:16:37,160
Speaker 20: like wildfire about the origin of that attack and it's

1577
01:16:37,240 --> 01:16:38,240
Speaker 20: led to these rats.

1578
01:16:38,360 --> 01:16:40,720
Speaker 2: How in general terms, Gevin and you go back to

1579
01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:42,479
Speaker 2: Leeds a couple I can't remember, it was a couple

1580
01:16:42,520 --> 01:16:45,559
Speaker 2: of weeks ago, whatever it was. How igy is Britain.

1581
01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:50,200
Speaker 20: Well, I wouldn't have said it was edgy much, but

1582
01:16:50,400 --> 01:16:51,640
Speaker 20: I have to say, you're in the middle of a

1583
01:16:51,680 --> 01:16:54,599
Speaker 20: heat wave here. It's just before ten at nine, it's

1584
01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:58,519
Speaker 20: probably still twenty six twenty seven celsius and that always

1585
01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:01,639
Speaker 20: does tend I know from my contacts in the police,

1586
01:17:01,640 --> 01:17:03,800
Speaker 20: they always say, you know that he is always sets

1587
01:17:03,880 --> 01:17:06,400
Speaker 20: people off a little bit. But I didn't think it

1588
01:17:06,439 --> 01:17:09,599
Speaker 20: was too bad. However, there is this massive concern which

1589
01:17:09,640 --> 01:17:13,080
Speaker 20: I don't hak any single politician of the main parties

1590
01:17:13,080 --> 01:17:17,040
Speaker 20: as really grasp how serious people feel about this, and

1591
01:17:17,080 --> 01:17:20,439
Speaker 20: that is migration and the numbers coming into this country,

1592
01:17:20,479 --> 01:17:24,360
Speaker 20: particularly of those that we don't know anything about, and

1593
01:17:24,439 --> 01:17:27,080
Speaker 20: this I think is at the heart of this particular issue.

1594
01:17:27,160 --> 01:17:29,439
Speaker 2: Then we come to hewidwould sow. The fall from Grice

1595
01:17:29,479 --> 01:17:30,280
Speaker 2: I suppose.

1596
01:17:30,040 --> 01:17:34,840
Speaker 20: Is complete, Yes, very much so. Today Hugh Edwards had

1597
01:17:34,920 --> 01:17:41,640
Speaker 20: pleaded guilty to effectively some very very serious offenses. He

1598
01:17:41,760 --> 01:17:45,639
Speaker 20: pleaded guilty to three counts of making indecent images of children.

1599
01:17:46,360 --> 01:17:49,080
Speaker 20: He accessed in decent images of children as young as

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01:17:49,120 --> 01:17:52,960
Speaker 20: seven on WhatsApp over a year long period a couple

1601
01:17:53,040 --> 01:17:56,160
Speaker 20: of years back, and police says that they were sent

1602
01:17:56,200 --> 01:17:59,960
Speaker 20: to him by a convicted pedophile. Now it's slightly misleading

1603
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:03,960
Speaker 20: to say he was found guilty of making indecent images

1604
01:18:03,960 --> 01:18:07,280
Speaker 20: when actually he didn't do anything other than receive and download.

1605
01:18:07,520 --> 01:18:10,960
Speaker 20: But the definition is there, and he pleaded guilty. We

1606
01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:13,839
Speaker 20: expect him to be sentenced soon. But plenty of questions

1607
01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:16,439
Speaker 20: here Mike for the BBC, where of course he was

1608
01:18:16,479 --> 01:18:19,800
Speaker 20: their main news presenter and anchor, saying what did you

1609
01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:22,880
Speaker 20: know and when and why was he still allowed to

1610
01:18:22,880 --> 01:18:24,560
Speaker 20: be on staff. They are saying we knew he was

1611
01:18:24,680 --> 01:18:28,960
Speaker 20: arrested in November, but if he had physically been charged

1612
01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:30,880
Speaker 20: then he would have been sacked, and he was not

1613
01:18:31,000 --> 01:18:33,200
Speaker 20: charged until he left in April.

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01:18:33,520 --> 01:18:35,880
Speaker 2: How would you describe him Kevin given we don't get

1615
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:38,760
Speaker 2: him here obviously was he loved and esteemed and this

1616
01:18:38,840 --> 01:18:42,280
Speaker 2: has been just a complete and utter shock, or now

1617
01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:43,880
Speaker 2: that we know, do we gar yea well, that was

1618
01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:45,880
Speaker 2: old human rumors forever.

1619
01:18:46,840 --> 01:18:50,360
Speaker 20: As an outsider to the BBC, a complete and utter shock.

1620
01:18:50,439 --> 01:18:52,320
Speaker 20: He was somebody that held the hand of the nation

1621
01:18:52,479 --> 01:18:54,839
Speaker 20: through the queen's death. He was the one that announced

1622
01:18:54,840 --> 01:18:59,120
Speaker 20: it to most of the nation on television and also

1623
01:18:59,200 --> 01:19:03,160
Speaker 20: the king's current nation. He's been the general election host

1624
01:19:03,240 --> 01:19:05,559
Speaker 20: as well, So you know, this is somebody who's been

1625
01:19:05,640 --> 01:19:08,840
Speaker 20: huge for the last twenty thirty years now I have

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01:19:09,160 --> 01:19:12,200
Speaker 20: presented with you Edwards. He was always very very nice

1627
01:19:12,200 --> 01:19:15,200
Speaker 20: to me. However, you know there were rumors of a

1628
01:19:15,320 --> 01:19:19,120
Speaker 20: difficult side to him, somebody that could be, you know,

1629
01:19:19,320 --> 01:19:21,920
Speaker 20: verging on being very difficult to work with. As I said,

1630
01:19:21,960 --> 01:19:24,320
Speaker 20: I never found that, but certainly those are one or

1631
01:19:24,320 --> 01:19:26,240
Speaker 20: two people coming forward now with those.

1632
01:19:26,040 --> 01:19:28,200
Speaker 2: Allegations as a pleasure might go. Well, we'll catch up

1633
01:19:28,200 --> 01:19:30,800
Speaker 2: again soon. Devin Gray out of the UK for us

1634
01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:32,400
Speaker 2: this morning, it's eighteen away from nine.

1635
01:19:33,160 --> 01:19:35,360
Speaker 3: The misty racist where.

1636
01:19:35,200 --> 01:19:36,200
Speaker 2: Is fourteen away from nine?

1637
01:19:36,200 --> 01:19:36,439
Speaker 3: So noo.

1638
01:19:36,479 --> 01:19:38,799
Speaker 2: The middle is you've heard this morning from Hayde and Wilder.

1639
01:19:38,840 --> 01:19:40,559
Speaker 2: Having waited a couple of days, of course, for the

1640
01:19:40,640 --> 01:19:42,600
Speaker 2: water to improve enough to swim in the river, we

1641
01:19:42,680 --> 01:19:45,760
Speaker 2: got the triathl and underway and the silver middle is ours.

1642
01:19:45,920 --> 01:19:49,000
Speaker 2: Hayden Wild's were this morning? Yeah, very well. Indeed have

1643
01:19:49,080 --> 01:19:49,760
Speaker 2: you pulled up?

1644
01:19:52,160 --> 01:19:54,599
Speaker 24: Just kind of firing on off adrenaline to the honus

1645
01:19:54,640 --> 01:19:59,479
Speaker 24: has been Fordy's post race raight first finish line and

1646
01:20:00,040 --> 01:20:03,720
Speaker 24: straight to media and anti doping and then straight back

1647
01:20:03,760 --> 01:20:04,960
Speaker 24: to media to the New Zealand house.

1648
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:08,400
Speaker 2: So it's been fulling brilliant. Did you pass your antidoping test?

1649
01:20:09,400 --> 01:20:09,840
Speaker 18: I hope?

1650
01:20:10,360 --> 01:20:14,360
Speaker 24: Yeah, Well ideally yes, we'll know. We'll know probably a

1651
01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:14,880
Speaker 24: week's time.

1652
01:20:15,560 --> 01:20:17,800
Speaker 2: I love it. How are you feeling about it? All

1653
01:20:17,840 --> 01:20:20,960
Speaker 2: silver versus gold pulled in at the end. How's that

1654
01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:22,560
Speaker 2: settled with you psychologically?

1655
01:20:23,760 --> 01:20:26,639
Speaker 24: Yeah? Hey, I did everything I got out there, and

1656
01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:29,479
Speaker 24: I don't I don't think I can say I can

1657
01:20:29,479 --> 01:20:33,240
Speaker 24: die try and gave everything, and yeah, I just want

1658
01:20:33,280 --> 01:20:35,760
Speaker 24: to say a big thanks to my teammate Dylan. You

1659
01:20:35,800 --> 01:20:38,800
Speaker 24: know he he came back and helped and put me

1660
01:20:38,840 --> 01:20:41,200
Speaker 24: in the position I was in, and yeah, I can't

1661
01:20:41,240 --> 01:20:44,519
Speaker 24: thank him enough for that. The man deserves the keys

1662
01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:47,479
Speaker 24: of New Zealand for you helping me get that that metal.

1663
01:20:47,560 --> 01:20:52,000
Speaker 24: And yeah, just just did anything I could, you know. Obviously,

1664
01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:55,880
Speaker 24: I think the heat played a massive role. I felt

1665
01:20:55,880 --> 01:20:57,720
Speaker 24: like if we raced at the time we meant to

1666
01:20:57,800 --> 01:21:01,280
Speaker 24: race obviously, you know, with the postpone date, we're not noring,

1667
01:21:01,400 --> 01:21:04,800
Speaker 24: meant to race ats eight am, But with ten forty

1668
01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:08,120
Speaker 24: five start, it was thirty one degrees, the humidity was up,

1669
01:21:08,160 --> 01:21:10,760
Speaker 24: and yeah, just I just didn't prepare for the heat

1670
01:21:11,160 --> 01:21:15,280
Speaker 24: as we didn't really need to. So obviously the curve wall. Yeah,

1671
01:21:15,400 --> 01:21:18,000
Speaker 24: the leagues paid it a little bit earlier than they expected,

1672
01:21:18,040 --> 01:21:21,479
Speaker 24: but I was as proud to give it everything and

1673
01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:24,639
Speaker 24: do everything I possibly could on the day, and yeah,

1674
01:21:24,760 --> 01:21:27,320
Speaker 24: it just came short. But yeah, a heck of a

1675
01:21:27,439 --> 01:21:29,920
Speaker 24: race and it was It was great to have another

1676
01:21:29,960 --> 01:21:33,120
Speaker 24: battle with my with my great mate Alex and rival.

1677
01:21:33,920 --> 01:21:36,280
Speaker 2: It was what it was, obviously, But do you regret

1678
01:21:36,439 --> 01:21:38,800
Speaker 2: Are you aggrieved at the way the whole thing was

1679
01:21:38,840 --> 01:21:40,920
Speaker 2: handled over the days leading up?

1680
01:21:42,880 --> 01:21:44,479
Speaker 24: I think it was. I think it was handled well.

1681
01:21:44,520 --> 01:21:48,000
Speaker 24: You know, like we're elite athletes, you know, were where

1682
01:21:48,360 --> 01:21:52,040
Speaker 24: when we learned to adapt, and like it was just

1683
01:21:52,200 --> 01:21:54,559
Speaker 24: it's just part and parceler. But you know, we we

1684
01:21:54,640 --> 01:21:57,600
Speaker 24: knew as athletes leading into this race, and you know

1685
01:21:57,640 --> 01:21:59,959
Speaker 24: it was going to be where there was contingents.

1686
01:22:00,080 --> 01:22:01,240
Speaker 9: You plan so meantly.

1687
01:22:02,240 --> 01:22:05,960
Speaker 24: Everyone was prepared to race different days.

1688
01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:10,080
Speaker 2: Sorry, is it a bit of the scene coming out?

1689
01:22:11,840 --> 01:22:14,200
Speaker 9: Sorry, just had dinner.

1690
01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:18,200
Speaker 2: I thought you, I thought you're vomiting up the river.

1691
01:22:20,160 --> 01:22:22,120
Speaker 24: They've got a bit of a leaf inside my mouth.

1692
01:22:24,880 --> 01:22:27,960
Speaker 24: And then yeah, like we're early athletes and we have

1693
01:22:28,000 --> 01:22:31,080
Speaker 24: to adept on days and you know, that is what

1694
01:22:31,120 --> 01:22:33,840
Speaker 24: it is. I just wasn't prepared for that that heat,

1695
01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:37,840
Speaker 24: I think, And yeah, it was just super hot and

1696
01:22:37,840 --> 01:22:39,519
Speaker 24: and I'm just stoked that we actually got to do

1697
01:22:39,560 --> 01:22:41,559
Speaker 24: a trithlon is. The last thing that all the athletes

1698
01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:43,960
Speaker 24: wanted was to do it a jew f one, which

1699
01:22:44,040 --> 01:22:45,360
Speaker 24: is a run bike run.

1700
01:22:45,400 --> 01:22:46,160
Speaker 7: So it was really good.

1701
01:22:46,160 --> 01:22:47,680
Speaker 24: We got to get it done on the day.

1702
01:22:47,880 --> 01:22:48,080
Speaker 7: Good.

1703
01:22:48,120 --> 01:22:49,920
Speaker 2: What if your family had to say for themselves, because

1704
01:22:49,920 --> 01:22:51,040
Speaker 2: they're there with you, aren't they?

1705
01:22:52,400 --> 01:22:52,680
Speaker 9: I was.

1706
01:22:52,760 --> 01:22:55,160
Speaker 24: It was amazing to have them here. You know, you know,

1707
01:22:55,280 --> 01:22:58,439
Speaker 24: I gave them an early Christmas present shout them over

1708
01:22:58,560 --> 01:23:02,560
Speaker 24: to Paris. It was I never they never get that opportunity.

1709
01:23:02,600 --> 01:23:07,280
Speaker 24: As we come from a pretty small family, and it's yeah,

1710
01:23:07,320 --> 01:23:09,840
Speaker 24: it's always it's always hard for my parents to come

1711
01:23:09,880 --> 01:23:12,840
Speaker 24: over as it was work and everything. So it was

1712
01:23:12,880 --> 01:23:15,719
Speaker 24: really nice to get them a little gift to support

1713
01:23:15,720 --> 01:23:18,640
Speaker 24: them a little bit to get over and and and

1714
01:23:18,800 --> 01:23:20,720
Speaker 24: watch me race. And yeah, it was so it was

1715
01:23:20,720 --> 01:23:22,919
Speaker 24: just so awesome to have everyone there and my coaches,

1716
01:23:23,040 --> 01:23:25,640
Speaker 24: my my family and my team. So it was just

1717
01:23:25,880 --> 01:23:27,360
Speaker 24: it was a special It was a special day.

1718
01:23:27,479 --> 01:23:31,960
Speaker 2: Brilliant. So the trender's bronze this time silber, next time goal?

1719
01:23:32,080 --> 01:23:33,240
Speaker 2: Is that how it plays out?

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Speaker 9: Yeah?

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01:23:34,400 --> 01:23:37,000
Speaker 24: I guess I didn't really ideally, you know, I wanted

1722
01:23:37,040 --> 01:23:38,600
Speaker 24: to go straight to go with it and finish my

1723
01:23:38,640 --> 01:23:42,240
Speaker 24: Olympic season career. But it looks like I have to

1724
01:23:42,280 --> 01:23:43,960
Speaker 24: go to LA and get the trio.

1725
01:23:44,520 --> 01:23:46,600
Speaker 2: I'm sure you will go well mate, listen, appreciate it

1726
01:23:46,680 --> 01:23:49,000
Speaker 2: very much. Hayden whild who was It's what would have

1727
01:23:49,000 --> 01:23:51,479
Speaker 2: been at ten o'clock at night at least in Paris

1728
01:23:51,520 --> 01:23:54,040
Speaker 2: at the moment good he could just be the time

1729
01:23:54,080 --> 01:23:56,519
Speaker 2: to have a word with us this morning, silver medal

1730
01:23:56,760 --> 01:23:58,040
Speaker 2: ten minutes away from nine.

1731
01:24:00,360 --> 01:24:03,400
Speaker 3: With the range rover, THELA news to end a lot.

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01:24:03,280 --> 01:24:05,759
Speaker 2: Of good feedback and Rightley, so what a true champion.

1733
01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:08,120
Speaker 2: Mike Hayden's been a classic from the start to finish.

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01:24:08,160 --> 01:24:10,000
Speaker 2: I'm English, but he's an amazing guy and take my

1735
01:24:10,040 --> 01:24:11,760
Speaker 2: hat off to a sportsmanship. Yeah, there seems to be

1736
01:24:11,800 --> 01:24:13,559
Speaker 2: a lot of good will around that sport, doesn't there.

1737
01:24:13,960 --> 01:24:15,360
Speaker 2: Just before we leave Frants, by the way, if he

1738
01:24:15,400 --> 01:24:18,519
Speaker 2: hadn't caught up with it, that big dinner that Macron

1739
01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:21,519
Speaker 2: put on for the King and Queen of England last September,

1740
01:24:21,520 --> 01:24:23,400
Speaker 2: of the bills come out and there's a little bit

1741
01:24:23,400 --> 01:24:26,040
Speaker 2: of consternation there because the Elise Palace, which is where

1742
01:24:26,040 --> 01:24:30,280
Speaker 2: all this stuff is held, is overspending. They've got no

1743
01:24:30,320 --> 01:24:33,320
Speaker 2: idea of a budget. So he does all his Macron

1744
01:24:33,320 --> 01:24:36,559
Speaker 2: This is diplomatic, presidential duties, ADMIN, personal security, et cetera,

1745
01:24:36,560 --> 01:24:38,519
Speaker 2: et cetera. Anyway, there are a couple of hundred million

1746
01:24:38,520 --> 01:24:41,439
Speaker 2: dollars in the hole, but that's partially, at least in

1747
01:24:41,439 --> 01:24:43,759
Speaker 2: part because they spent almost a million dollars on dinner

1748
01:24:44,080 --> 01:24:46,680
Speaker 2: for King Charles and his wife. Seems incredible, is it?

1749
01:24:46,800 --> 01:24:51,680
Speaker 2: Nine hundred and sixteen thousand dollars for dinner? And you think,

1750
01:24:51,680 --> 01:24:55,040
Speaker 2: how's that possible? Eight hundred and seventy four hundred and

1751
01:24:55,080 --> 01:24:58,400
Speaker 2: ninety four, of which the catering bill was three hundred

1752
01:24:58,400 --> 01:25:01,040
Speaker 2: and two tho forty five ships. That tends to run

1753
01:25:01,040 --> 01:25:02,920
Speaker 2: at the tab. I don't know if you've ever hired

1754
01:25:02,920 --> 01:25:05,320
Speaker 2: forty five chefs all at one time, imagine the yelling

1755
01:25:05,400 --> 01:25:07,280
Speaker 2: one hundred percent. They tend to be a bit expensive.

1756
01:25:07,680 --> 01:25:10,880
Speaker 2: Took three months of planning that particular menu. What did

1757
01:25:10,920 --> 01:25:13,479
Speaker 2: they actually serve? Well, some potted crab and blue lobster

1758
01:25:14,080 --> 01:25:18,320
Speaker 2: with a fresh almond sail consisting of an almond and

1759
01:25:18,360 --> 01:25:22,080
Speaker 2: saki pannacotta, topped with a creamy crab cake and lobster

1760
01:25:22,479 --> 01:25:26,200
Speaker 2: sipicon which is fine. I don't know, hundreds of thousands

1761
01:25:26,200 --> 01:25:28,519
Speaker 2: of dollars worth of stuff though seasoned with a with

1762
01:25:28,600 --> 01:25:32,200
Speaker 2: a mint gell and cold white butter sauce flavored also

1763
01:25:32,200 --> 01:25:34,639
Speaker 2: flavored by the way, with p ssarki and almond maines.

1764
01:25:35,120 --> 01:25:38,679
Speaker 2: They had some chicken poach chicken. It says here posts

1765
01:25:38,680 --> 01:25:41,960
Speaker 2: brass chicken, which is just French. It's a breast of chicken.

1766
01:25:42,280 --> 01:25:45,840
Speaker 2: You buy that at KFC. For goodness sake marinated in champagne,

1767
01:25:46,160 --> 01:25:51,200
Speaker 2: roasted with corn extraction and porcini cratan. Then for dessert

1768
01:25:51,280 --> 01:25:52,920
Speaker 2: only a three courser they had cheese at the end,

1769
01:25:52,960 --> 01:25:56,240
Speaker 2: so maybe technically a four courser for dessert, a compote

1770
01:25:56,720 --> 01:25:58,599
Speaker 2: of cooked and raw raspberries. I would have liked that,

1771
01:25:58,760 --> 01:26:02,160
Speaker 2: a light chiin rose saw bay and a raspberry saw

1772
01:26:02,200 --> 01:26:06,679
Speaker 2: bay on a very thin disc of mahron, probably named

1773
01:26:06,680 --> 01:26:11,080
Speaker 2: after himself. You see, it's a little nacron drizzled with

1774
01:26:11,240 --> 01:26:13,600
Speaker 2: raspberry Cooley. And then for the cheese they had a

1775
01:26:13,600 --> 01:26:16,280
Speaker 2: bunch of stilton and other age stuff. They had a

1776
01:26:16,280 --> 01:26:18,040
Speaker 2: big bottle of wine. I read the one I can't

1777
01:26:18,040 --> 01:26:19,720
Speaker 2: remember what it was, a mooton Rothschild, that's what it was.

1778
01:26:19,760 --> 01:26:22,840
Speaker 2: It was two thousand and four Mooton Rothschild. Mooton Rothschild

1779
01:26:23,080 --> 01:26:26,840
Speaker 2: is each year Mouton Rothschild to famous Bordeaux changed the

1780
01:26:26,920 --> 01:26:29,280
Speaker 2: label of the wine, and the label on the wine

1781
01:26:29,360 --> 01:26:31,960
Speaker 2: is produced by a famous person and it's a piece

1782
01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:34,800
Speaker 2: of art. And the person who produced the piece of

1783
01:26:34,880 --> 01:26:37,840
Speaker 2: art for the two thousand and four mooton Rothschild was

1784
01:26:37,920 --> 01:26:40,160
Speaker 2: King Charles. So they said a little bit of his wine,

1785
01:26:40,160 --> 01:26:41,960
Speaker 2: which was nice. Five minutes away from nine.

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01:26:42,160 --> 01:26:46,960
Speaker 11: Trending now with chemist Warse, stop paying too much like.

1787
01:26:47,040 --> 01:26:48,880
Speaker 2: So Trump, as we've showed you this morning, went to

1788
01:26:48,920 --> 01:26:52,080
Speaker 2: the National Association of Black Journalists it. I'm sure he

1789
01:26:52,120 --> 01:26:56,040
Speaker 2: said it was fantastic. He said, Karmela turned black and

1790
01:26:56,080 --> 01:26:58,799
Speaker 2: that's probably not gone particularly well for him. And then

1791
01:26:59,080 --> 01:27:01,799
Speaker 2: we talked about the GM and six rioters who assaulted

1792
01:27:01,840 --> 01:27:04,200
Speaker 2: the police. What's going to happen?

1793
01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:06,200
Speaker 9: Oh, absolutely, I would.

1794
01:27:06,880 --> 01:27:08,479
Speaker 14: If they're innocent, I would pardon them.

1795
01:27:08,520 --> 01:27:09,920
Speaker 24: They've been convicted, by the way, the.

1796
01:27:09,880 --> 01:27:14,600
Speaker 14: Supreme Court just under well, they were convicted by a

1797
01:27:14,760 --> 01:27:18,400
Speaker 14: very very tough system.

1798
01:27:18,400 --> 01:27:20,639
Speaker 2: So after all of that, so it's sort of going

1799
01:27:20,640 --> 01:27:23,000
Speaker 2: off on the socials. As you can imagine, this is

1800
01:27:23,040 --> 01:27:26,519
Speaker 2: where Jesse Waters comes in from Fox. So he's trying

1801
01:27:26,520 --> 01:27:27,240
Speaker 2: to mop it up.

1802
01:27:27,280 --> 01:27:30,920
Speaker 25: To be a man and then vote for a woman

1803
01:27:31,479 --> 01:27:35,400
Speaker 25: just because she's a woman. Is either childish, that person

1804
01:27:35,439 --> 01:27:38,240
Speaker 25: has mommy issues, or they're just trying to be accepted

1805
01:27:38,280 --> 01:27:41,360
Speaker 25: by other women. And I heard the scientists say the

1806
01:27:41,400 --> 01:27:43,519
Speaker 25: other day that when a man votes for a woman,

1807
01:27:43,720 --> 01:27:45,439
Speaker 25: he actually transitions into a woman.

1808
01:27:48,800 --> 01:27:51,360
Speaker 2: To be fair to Jesse, So I'm reading the writing

1809
01:27:51,920 --> 01:27:53,840
Speaker 2: why do you want to be fit? Because I'm reading

1810
01:27:53,920 --> 01:27:58,400
Speaker 2: the writings this morning and in this news cycle. Of course,

1811
01:27:58,439 --> 01:28:00,320
Speaker 2: as you can imagine, the writings have gone through the

1812
01:28:00,360 --> 01:28:02,960
Speaker 2: roof for the news channels, but no one has been

1813
01:28:03,000 --> 01:28:06,640
Speaker 2: more successful in this news cycle than Fox, and the

1814
01:28:06,680 --> 01:28:10,200
Speaker 2: top of the Fox pile is now Jesse Waters, who

1815
01:28:10,680 --> 01:28:16,439
Speaker 2: has three times the audience of his nearest competitors at CNN.

1816
01:28:16,960 --> 01:28:19,759
Speaker 2: So he's pulling down in excess of four million people

1817
01:28:19,760 --> 01:28:22,960
Speaker 2: a night and CNN can't even crack one million.

1818
01:28:25,439 --> 01:28:28,680
Speaker 3: To the scientists anyway, Yes, so whatever.

1819
01:28:28,560 --> 01:28:31,440
Speaker 2: You want about Jesse, but he's got the crowd.

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01:28:31,120 --> 01:28:31,759
Speaker 12: On his side.

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01:28:32,040 --> 01:28:33,280
Speaker 22: There's us back.

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Speaker 2: Tomorrow morning from six as always Happy

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1824
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