1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,080 Speaker 1: Now there's a bit of debate about how much the 2 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:05,600 Speaker 1: new insulation rules will actually cost. Building in Construction Minister 3 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 1: Chris penk reckons it could add about forty to fifty 4 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: thousand dollars to a new home, so he wants to 5 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 1: roll back these insulation standards. However, according to some new research, 6 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:17,080 Speaker 1: the cost can be as low as maybe twenty two 7 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:19,959 Speaker 1: hundred bucks for a three bedroom home. Malcolm Fleming is 8 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: the chief executive of n Z Certified Builders who participated 9 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: in this project and is with us now. 10 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 2: Hey, Malcolm, good evening, Heather. 11 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: It's good to chat to you. Have you ever seen 12 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 1: a three bedroom house insulated for two two hundred bucks? 13 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 2: Well, that's not the cost of insulation. But we've used 14 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:43,840 Speaker 2: you ended TV Studio, which is a couple of designs 15 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:47,840 Speaker 2: architect designed designs which we're taking the market later this year, 16 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:50,880 Speaker 2: and we've used them as a case study with the 17 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:56,279 Speaker 2: Quantity Surveyor and with EBOSS, with Architects Design Group Save 18 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 2: from Elliott contributing us well, and to look at what 19 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 2: would be the cost of insulation for H one. So 20 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 2: just to recap on H one as it was brought 21 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 2: into the regulation on May twenty twenty three and represented 22 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 2: a really big step up on the existing H one 23 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:15,400 Speaker 2: in relation to get it's closer to international countries that 24 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 2: would you like it to be competed with in regard 25 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 2: to insulation and the cost of thickness to run. So 26 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 2: where used these two plants that without on an intitive 27 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 2: studio to look at what would be the bear minimum 28 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 2: H one or insulation bears, we can apply what and 29 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 2: what would the cost be over and above what that 30 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:39,039 Speaker 2: bill would have been two years ago before H one, 31 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 2: And that cost for three bedroom because we've got a 32 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 2: two bedroom of three bigion three bed and the larger one, 33 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 2: so we're using that and those costs are ten thousand, 34 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 2: six hundred dollars. 35 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 1: I just said, Dold, and let me just get this right. 36 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: So what you're saying is when you look at what 37 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 1: the standards are before H one and then you go 38 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: to H one, the different in lifting the standards two 39 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:03,559 Speaker 1: and a half for two point two thousand dollars. 40 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, their difference is ten thousand, six hundred. If you 41 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 2: use a process called scheduling method, which is a bit 42 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:17,079 Speaker 2: of a blunt instrument, that falls to two two thousand, 43 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:20,079 Speaker 2: one hundred dollars extra over and a pupet have been 44 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:25,399 Speaker 2: with a bet of two thousand, two hundred and twenty two. Yeah, 45 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 2: beg your pardon as a calculation method. So I've listen 46 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 2: for homeowners here using a design architect to do their 47 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 2: new homes, ask them to do the calculation method and 48 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 2: keep this giple. 49 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: I mean, because if I was building a new house, 50 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:43,079 Speaker 1: I don't care what the difference is. I want to 51 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: know what the total cost is. So how much does 52 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:45,679 Speaker 1: it cost me to insulate the house? 53 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 2: Then? Well as low as a digital two thousand dollars, 54 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 2: but on top of what over what it would have 55 00:02:53,960 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 2: been before the near ten thousand dollars less than what 56 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 2: it is now? 57 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 1: How what does a cod do? You do? You know 58 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 1: what it costs to insulator? Three? Injure mouse because Chris 59 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 1: Pink listen, Malcolm, we've got we're debating this right. Chris 60 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 1: Pink says it's fifty k. What do you say it is? 61 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 2: No, so Chris Pink is saying it is now forty 62 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 2: fifty thousand dollars the house what it wants, but that 63 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:29,920 Speaker 2: we can debate what we have counted with actually giving 64 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 2: some data so that we can actually have an informed 65 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 2: conversation about this rather rely on anecdotes that is about 66 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 2: ten thousand dollars using a blunt instrument approach, which is 67 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 2: everybody isn't if you want to use a sophisticated approach 68 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 2: which a designer can use. It comes down as, of course, 69 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 2: two thousand, one hundred and forty square of. 70 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: The house, Malcolm doesn't. What can we do about these 71 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 1: houses that are overheating because they're over insulated. 72 00:03:55,920 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 2: Well, there's been some contribution from Brains that that is 73 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 2: not necessarily the case, but where there has been examples 74 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 2: of that, it comes down to the blunt instrument approach, 75 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 2: the scheduling, which is approaching every sing of your surface, 76 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 2: like looking at the roof, looking at will walk, each walls, 77 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 2: and trying to get one hundred percent of the of 78 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:23,600 Speaker 2: the hy regulation on every single part of the build. 79 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 2: Where As a calculation that understands, okay, you're not your 80 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 2: facing animation for them windows, they get one hundred percent 81 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:33,720 Speaker 2: on that elevation, you're going to have that triple glaze 82 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:37,280 Speaker 2: and you're going to have to have insulation everywhere over 83 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 2: compensating and that could be contributing some overheating. Well, the 84 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 2: calculation money you understand, and you're never going to get 85 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 2: get there in the cost effective manner, but you're going 86 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 2: to do better in the roofs and so forth. To Counterdalan, Yeah. 87 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, I see what you're saying, Malcolm. I really 88 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:54,280 Speaker 1: appreciate it, mate, Thank you for talking to us. It's 89 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:58,279 Speaker 1: Malcolm Fleming, Certified Builders, Chief Executive. I don't really know 90 00:04:58,320 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 1: what the point of that was, but that was amusing. 91 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: On for more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive listen live 92 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: to news talks. 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