1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,387 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:11,747 Speaker 1: from Newstalks ed B. 3 00:00:12,707 --> 00:00:15,867 Speaker 2: The Crusaders have opened their Super Rugby account for the 4 00:00:15,907 --> 00:00:19,227 Speaker 2: season with a forty three thirty three victory over the 5 00:00:19,307 --> 00:00:20,387 Speaker 2: Chiefs in Hamilton. 6 00:00:20,827 --> 00:00:24,107 Speaker 1: Tara Tuna down the left wing, Tanda with Wills. 7 00:00:23,947 --> 00:00:28,307 Speaker 2: Turner up the middle, Carna's away, Tarna's away, Tarna's golling, 8 00:00:28,627 --> 00:00:29,427 Speaker 2: Tarna's running. 9 00:00:29,667 --> 00:00:32,507 Speaker 3: Tarla's gonna get run down. Yes he is. He's a 10 00:00:32,627 --> 00:00:35,907 Speaker 3: meter short, hard finas against Tara. 11 00:00:36,027 --> 00:00:38,827 Speaker 1: He's dropped it as he's gone to score, and the 12 00:00:38,907 --> 00:00:43,787 Speaker 1: referee says it's all over. Oh, it's god, it's forty 13 00:00:43,867 --> 00:00:48,027 Speaker 1: three thirty three. Oh the Crusaders run out. 14 00:00:48,107 --> 00:00:49,387 Speaker 3: The winner's here at Hamilton. 15 00:00:49,747 --> 00:00:51,347 Speaker 1: What a hell of a game right now? 16 00:00:51,547 --> 00:00:51,707 Speaker 3: Gie. 17 00:00:51,787 --> 00:00:54,467 Speaker 2: You always get passion, don't you? In the Hamilton commentary 18 00:00:54,507 --> 00:00:57,667 Speaker 2: box when Minty's behind the mic, save your voice, mate, 19 00:00:57,667 --> 00:01:02,987 Speaker 2: Marodian Round three great if you pack last night, Mincy. 20 00:01:03,267 --> 00:01:07,267 Speaker 2: The Crusaders were fourteen nil and twenty one seven down, 21 00:01:07,867 --> 00:01:11,147 Speaker 2: but thirty six unanswered points in the middle were key 22 00:01:11,307 --> 00:01:13,907 Speaker 2: to their victory. Crusader's head coach Rob Pennies with us 23 00:01:13,907 --> 00:01:16,627 Speaker 2: from Hamilton. Rob thanks for joining us. Congratulations on the win. 24 00:01:16,707 --> 00:01:18,547 Speaker 2: How do you sum up a night where you're fourteen 25 00:01:18,627 --> 00:01:21,507 Speaker 2: nil and twenty one to seven down but then end 26 00:01:21,587 --> 00:01:23,747 Speaker 2: up putting forty on the Chiefs. 27 00:01:24,827 --> 00:01:29,867 Speaker 3: It was a really proud moment. I guess. We up 28 00:01:29,907 --> 00:01:32,387 Speaker 3: against the great Chiefs side, who you know are always 29 00:01:32,387 --> 00:01:35,747 Speaker 3: difficult up here and to be you know, as you say, 30 00:01:35,827 --> 00:01:39,347 Speaker 3: those that many points down, but we always had faith 31 00:01:39,587 --> 00:01:44,387 Speaker 3: we've got a capable group and they managed to string 32 00:01:44,547 --> 00:01:47,747 Speaker 3: some pressure moments together, which has been a bit of 33 00:01:47,787 --> 00:01:50,227 Speaker 3: a sow point for us in the first three weeks 34 00:01:50,227 --> 00:01:54,627 Speaker 3: of the camp and on the back of those, we've 35 00:01:54,667 --> 00:01:58,547 Speaker 3: got a real we've got to run and shut them out. 36 00:01:58,707 --> 00:02:02,147 Speaker 3: And it was a fine performance by a lot of 37 00:02:02,147 --> 00:02:04,987 Speaker 3: men across the park and they should be really really 38 00:02:04,987 --> 00:02:09,067 Speaker 3: proud of their performances. And people are too, because as 39 00:02:09,107 --> 00:02:11,627 Speaker 3: I said, it was a really good, strong chief side 40 00:02:11,627 --> 00:02:14,467 Speaker 3: and tough to went up there and to do it 41 00:02:14,507 --> 00:02:16,867 Speaker 3: in that manner was Yeah, it was a bit special. 42 00:02:16,947 --> 00:02:18,267 Speaker 2: Yeah. I want to talk about a couple of those 43 00:02:18,267 --> 00:02:20,747 Speaker 2: players specifically in a moment, but when you are fourteen 44 00:02:20,827 --> 00:02:22,667 Speaker 2: kneeled down and you know they've gone end to end 45 00:02:22,707 --> 00:02:26,027 Speaker 2: to score, you know, a pretty thrilling try. Did you 46 00:02:26,067 --> 00:02:29,067 Speaker 2: sense any panic at that stage or was there a 47 00:02:29,147 --> 00:02:31,827 Speaker 2: calm belief still amongst the coaching staff and from what 48 00:02:31,867 --> 00:02:34,907 Speaker 2: you could see down on the grass, Yeah. 49 00:02:35,347 --> 00:02:39,027 Speaker 3: The coach's box is pretty good. You know. We all 50 00:02:39,067 --> 00:02:40,587 Speaker 3: we do is assist the boys to get the plan 51 00:02:40,707 --> 00:02:44,307 Speaker 3: in place, and you know, between us we work out 52 00:02:44,307 --> 00:02:49,987 Speaker 3: the strategy and were rather than sending messages down often 53 00:02:50,067 --> 00:02:52,067 Speaker 3: we get the boys on the ground to report back 54 00:02:52,107 --> 00:02:54,547 Speaker 3: what the boys were talking about, and they were all 55 00:02:54,587 --> 00:02:57,027 Speaker 3: saying the right things. So we had a lot of 56 00:02:57,067 --> 00:02:58,747 Speaker 3: belief that they were going to get it back on track. 57 00:02:58,787 --> 00:03:00,507 Speaker 3: We've just made a few errors. We've got a couple 58 00:03:00,547 --> 00:03:02,707 Speaker 3: of things wrong, which has been a bit of a 59 00:03:02,747 --> 00:03:07,227 Speaker 3: flavor for the preseason. But you know, we've worked on 60 00:03:07,307 --> 00:03:10,027 Speaker 3: remedies if we get in those situations to try to 61 00:03:10,067 --> 00:03:13,787 Speaker 3: give ourselves opportunity, and the boys embrace those and yeah, 62 00:03:13,907 --> 00:03:16,227 Speaker 3: and so there was no panic. 63 00:03:17,787 --> 00:03:20,307 Speaker 2: So what did change? What did you see changed then? 64 00:03:21,027 --> 00:03:22,547 Speaker 2: You know from the moment you started to come back 65 00:03:22,547 --> 00:03:25,427 Speaker 2: into the game and actually then by halftime were ahead 66 00:03:25,627 --> 00:03:26,387 Speaker 2: on the scoreboard. 67 00:03:27,587 --> 00:03:30,947 Speaker 3: Yeah, well we're still created. In the first ten or 68 00:03:30,947 --> 00:03:34,907 Speaker 3: so minutes before the Chiefs scored, we'd created opportunities where 69 00:03:35,667 --> 00:03:38,987 Speaker 3: we should have finished ourselves. So it wasn't as if 70 00:03:39,027 --> 00:03:43,827 Speaker 3: we were, you know, void of opportunity. So those those 71 00:03:43,867 --> 00:03:46,067 Speaker 3: things just say to you, like, if we can just 72 00:03:46,427 --> 00:03:49,387 Speaker 3: capitalize on those opportunities that we're creating and do more 73 00:03:49,427 --> 00:03:53,347 Speaker 3: with them, will get better outcomes. And the reality was, 74 00:03:54,267 --> 00:03:57,187 Speaker 3: you know, the chief capitalized on a couple of opportunities. 75 00:03:57,227 --> 00:04:00,347 Speaker 3: We know they can go end to end and they 76 00:04:00,387 --> 00:04:03,387 Speaker 3: did it magnificently. You know, their counter tap game is 77 00:04:03,787 --> 00:04:06,987 Speaker 3: extremely dangerous, and to credit to the that they have 78 00:04:07,067 --> 00:04:11,347 Speaker 3: in their group. But with us, you know, we got 79 00:04:11,387 --> 00:04:12,987 Speaker 3: a bit of rhythm through that middle part of the 80 00:04:13,027 --> 00:04:15,187 Speaker 3: first half and started to finish over the top. And 81 00:04:15,187 --> 00:04:18,267 Speaker 3: then we're just so proud of the boys after they 82 00:04:18,267 --> 00:04:21,467 Speaker 3: came out in the second half and you know, put 83 00:04:21,507 --> 00:04:23,507 Speaker 3: twenty odd points on them and took the game away 84 00:04:23,547 --> 00:04:26,907 Speaker 3: really in that third twenty which is notoriously a part 85 00:04:26,947 --> 00:04:33,067 Speaker 3: where the Chiefs have really claimed games. And so yeah, 86 00:04:33,107 --> 00:04:37,387 Speaker 3: I guess, or or just rap with the outcome and 87 00:04:37,587 --> 00:04:38,987 Speaker 3: rap with the performance of a lot. 88 00:04:39,427 --> 00:04:41,387 Speaker 2: Can I ask you about a couple of players tahi kemrada. 89 00:04:41,667 --> 00:04:43,947 Speaker 2: A lot of people saying it's a coming of age performance. 90 00:04:43,987 --> 00:04:45,907 Speaker 2: I know, that. You know, you've known for a long 91 00:04:45,947 --> 00:04:49,867 Speaker 2: time that he's he's a terrific player. How impressed were 92 00:04:49,867 --> 00:04:50,707 Speaker 2: you with him last night? 93 00:04:51,427 --> 00:04:54,707 Speaker 3: Yeah, twenty two years of age driving the Crusaders around. 94 00:04:54,747 --> 00:04:59,507 Speaker 3: I think he's the youngest end that the organizations had 95 00:04:59,827 --> 00:05:03,347 Speaker 3: as a starter and it's a credit to him. He's 96 00:05:05,187 --> 00:05:07,947 Speaker 3: we know the he would played really well at the 97 00:05:07,947 --> 00:05:10,027 Speaker 3: start of last campaign and then got a knee injury 98 00:05:10,067 --> 00:05:12,147 Speaker 3: which was something he had to work his way through 99 00:05:12,227 --> 00:05:14,427 Speaker 3: and he's on the back of that, he's done a 100 00:05:14,507 --> 00:05:18,827 Speaker 3: terrific job was rehab. He's back to full fitness mentally, 101 00:05:19,067 --> 00:05:23,027 Speaker 3: there's no scarring from that issue. And just so proud 102 00:05:23,027 --> 00:05:27,427 Speaker 3: of the young man. He's such a genuine bloke and 103 00:05:27,947 --> 00:05:30,507 Speaker 3: the loveliest guy you'd ever want to meet, and just 104 00:05:30,587 --> 00:05:37,227 Speaker 3: so committed and the ultimate competitor. And so yeah, I 105 00:05:37,347 --> 00:05:38,907 Speaker 3: can't speak highly enough about the young. 106 00:05:38,787 --> 00:05:42,347 Speaker 2: Fellow Christian Leo Willie hat trick of tries that's nice obviously, 107 00:05:42,427 --> 00:05:45,907 Speaker 2: but his all round game again impressed. What's he bringing 108 00:05:45,907 --> 00:05:47,067 Speaker 2: to your forward pack right now? 109 00:05:48,187 --> 00:05:50,827 Speaker 3: Well, Christian's one of the you know, he's got the ability, 110 00:05:51,347 --> 00:05:53,147 Speaker 3: he's got a bit of X factor, so he's got 111 00:05:53,147 --> 00:05:56,907 Speaker 3: the ability to do things that with his footwork and 112 00:05:56,947 --> 00:06:01,387 Speaker 3: with his power, you know that that a specialized footy 113 00:06:01,387 --> 00:06:05,507 Speaker 3: field and allows other people to feed off. He's taken 114 00:06:05,547 --> 00:06:07,867 Speaker 3: a couple of weeks to get up to speed, which 115 00:06:07,947 --> 00:06:10,027 Speaker 3: is fair enough because he came in late to us. 116 00:06:11,307 --> 00:06:17,107 Speaker 3: But he's again very committed, great competitor, loves this group 117 00:06:17,147 --> 00:06:21,427 Speaker 3: of men, and you know he just you just see 118 00:06:21,427 --> 00:06:24,227 Speaker 3: it in his eyes when he's playing well, it just 119 00:06:24,267 --> 00:06:27,867 Speaker 3: brings joy. And so it was lovely to see him 120 00:06:27,867 --> 00:06:30,747 Speaker 3: come off play eighty and the three tries, as you say, 121 00:06:30,787 --> 00:06:34,547 Speaker 3: a reflection on the team performance, but also a little 122 00:06:34,587 --> 00:06:36,987 Speaker 3: bit about himself. But what he gave us around our 123 00:06:37,027 --> 00:06:40,667 Speaker 3: attack and d across the park was really classy. 124 00:06:40,987 --> 00:06:42,227 Speaker 2: And the final one I want to ask you about 125 00:06:42,267 --> 00:06:44,907 Speaker 2: is Will Jordan on both sides of the ball. You 126 00:06:44,947 --> 00:06:47,907 Speaker 2: know he sets up tries, but that try saving tackle 127 00:06:47,987 --> 00:06:49,467 Speaker 2: right at the end, I mean, it wouldn't have mattered 128 00:06:49,507 --> 00:06:51,507 Speaker 2: if he hadn't made it, you still would have won 129 00:06:51,547 --> 00:06:54,707 Speaker 2: the game. Is he setting the standard in your group 130 00:06:54,787 --> 00:06:55,707 Speaker 2: right now? Will Jordan? 131 00:06:57,787 --> 00:06:59,627 Speaker 3: He's right up there with one or two, Like he's 132 00:06:59,707 --> 00:07:03,187 Speaker 3: such a he's a code head, like he loves the 133 00:07:03,227 --> 00:07:07,747 Speaker 3: game and he has got a great understanding of the game. 134 00:07:08,667 --> 00:07:11,547 Speaker 3: His leadership has gone through the roofs since my time year. 135 00:07:11,867 --> 00:07:17,307 Speaker 3: He's matured, he's offering so much to the team and 136 00:07:17,867 --> 00:07:21,827 Speaker 3: you know, like he's a world class player and he's been. 137 00:07:22,787 --> 00:07:27,147 Speaker 3: He's been fantastic for us in every sphere of the team, 138 00:07:27,187 --> 00:07:31,227 Speaker 3: not just his own performances, but also care and concern 139 00:07:31,307 --> 00:07:33,987 Speaker 3: deeply about how others are going and what the team 140 00:07:34,067 --> 00:07:38,187 Speaker 3: needs to be better. And just a fabulous young man. 141 00:07:38,427 --> 00:07:40,787 Speaker 3: And he's still got a lot of great rugby in 142 00:07:40,787 --> 00:07:42,787 Speaker 3: front of him. And as you say, he can just 143 00:07:42,907 --> 00:07:46,627 Speaker 3: do things that others can't. You know, in the last 144 00:07:46,627 --> 00:07:49,867 Speaker 3: three weeks he's ripped offenses open. We haven't always been 145 00:07:49,907 --> 00:07:54,427 Speaker 3: able to capitalize on it, unfortunately, But you know, he's 146 00:07:54,467 --> 00:07:57,347 Speaker 3: a special till as we all know, and he deserves 147 00:07:57,347 --> 00:08:00,387 Speaker 3: all the credit that he's that he's bestowed on him. 148 00:08:00,507 --> 00:08:02,547 Speaker 2: So many of your answers today, Robin, and when I've 149 00:08:02,547 --> 00:08:06,627 Speaker 2: spoken to you previously, just just demonstrate that you very 150 00:08:06,667 --> 00:08:10,347 Speaker 2: much a player driven coach. You let the players take 151 00:08:10,387 --> 00:08:13,347 Speaker 2: a lot of responsibility. After last week, though, did you 152 00:08:13,467 --> 00:08:15,547 Speaker 2: have to lay down the lord at all? Did you 153 00:08:15,587 --> 00:08:18,627 Speaker 2: have to demand a response or did that also come 154 00:08:18,947 --> 00:08:19,747 Speaker 2: from the players. 155 00:08:21,547 --> 00:08:23,787 Speaker 3: Look, it's always a mixed bag. Of course, there's been 156 00:08:23,827 --> 00:08:29,707 Speaker 3: lots of conversations and we're blessed with our leadership quality. 157 00:08:29,747 --> 00:08:32,507 Speaker 3: And I said it last year a lot, and I'll 158 00:08:32,587 --> 00:08:35,227 Speaker 3: go back there again. David Harvelly had a magnificent week. 159 00:08:36,427 --> 00:08:42,227 Speaker 3: He sets such high standards around the how you prepare 160 00:08:42,307 --> 00:08:46,787 Speaker 3: mentally and how you for the mental application you need 161 00:08:46,827 --> 00:08:49,707 Speaker 3: to put into forget yourself in a position physically to 162 00:08:49,827 --> 00:08:52,107 Speaker 3: do what you need to do on game day. And 163 00:08:53,467 --> 00:08:56,267 Speaker 3: the boys love him, so he doesn't need to say 164 00:08:56,267 --> 00:09:00,187 Speaker 3: a lot, but when he speaks, he speaks with a 165 00:09:00,267 --> 00:09:04,547 Speaker 3: deepness and a truth and an honesty that touches everybody's heart. 166 00:09:04,707 --> 00:09:07,507 Speaker 3: And so I think I think the coaches did a 167 00:09:07,547 --> 00:09:10,027 Speaker 3: magnificent job. I think there were some things that the 168 00:09:10,067 --> 00:09:13,027 Speaker 3: players needed to hear. They got to hear those, but 169 00:09:13,147 --> 00:09:15,987 Speaker 3: it's all done in a caring and a growth with 170 00:09:16,147 --> 00:09:20,107 Speaker 3: a growth mindset and a manner in which doesn't impact 171 00:09:20,187 --> 00:09:23,867 Speaker 3: the guy's confidence. And you know, it leaves everyone in 172 00:09:24,267 --> 00:09:26,347 Speaker 3: the room after the meeting with right, this is where 173 00:09:26,347 --> 00:09:28,027 Speaker 3: we're going, this is what we need to do. Let's 174 00:09:28,067 --> 00:09:30,667 Speaker 3: get on board and we're away. And it just felt 175 00:09:30,707 --> 00:09:32,707 Speaker 3: like the coaches set the tone earlier in the week 176 00:09:32,987 --> 00:09:35,787 Speaker 3: and Davy and the leaders topped it off at the 177 00:09:35,827 --> 00:09:38,507 Speaker 3: back end of the week and players got into it 178 00:09:38,587 --> 00:09:40,747 Speaker 3: and did the job they needed to do. 179 00:09:41,787 --> 00:09:43,667 Speaker 2: Did any part of you last night early in that 180 00:09:43,827 --> 00:09:46,067 Speaker 2: game flash back two years? 181 00:09:48,787 --> 00:09:54,867 Speaker 3: No, no, look, this is a new group. We don't 182 00:09:54,947 --> 00:09:59,267 Speaker 3: have the injury issues that we had back then, so no, 183 00:09:59,507 --> 00:10:03,507 Speaker 3: not at all. It's the group's just such a joy 184 00:10:03,547 --> 00:10:06,227 Speaker 3: to the part of and I'm enjoying the ride. 185 00:10:06,667 --> 00:10:08,187 Speaker 2: I beat you are, I beat you are, I beat 186 00:10:08,227 --> 00:10:10,027 Speaker 2: Your fans are too, Rob. Great to chat as always, 187 00:10:10,067 --> 00:10:11,787 Speaker 2: Thanks for taking the time. All the best as you 188 00:10:11,907 --> 00:10:13,147 Speaker 2: prepare for the Blues next weekend. 189 00:10:14,347 --> 00:10:17,427 Speaker 3: Pleasure mate. Yeah, another another tuffee coming off at the 190 00:10:17,507 --> 00:10:19,987 Speaker 3: back of your performance last night. They'll be disappointed, so 191 00:10:20,227 --> 00:10:22,707 Speaker 3: she shall be fucking fireworks at Eaton Parking. 192 00:10:22,787 --> 00:10:25,507 Speaker 2: Sure, I think you're probably right, Rob, I think you're 193 00:10:25,547 --> 00:10:27,827 Speaker 2: probably right. Great to chat. Thanks indeed, Rob Penny there 194 00:10:28,027 --> 00:10:30,147 Speaker 2: the Crusader's head coach of the back of his side 195 00:10:30,267 --> 00:10:33,067 Speaker 2: forty three thirty three went over the Chiefs in Hamilton 196 00:10:33,187 --> 00:10:33,667 Speaker 2: last night. 197 00:10:34,387 --> 00:10:37,587 Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live 198 00:10:37,707 --> 00:10:40,987 Speaker 1: to News Talks d B Weekends from midday or follow 199 00:10:41,027 --> 00:10:42,587 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio