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Speaker 1: Now we've got some new stats that just show show

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Speaker 1: just how badly underreported retail crime is. There's a new

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Speaker 1: report by Retail New Zealand. They surveyed about fifteen hundred

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Speaker 1: shop owners and ninety nine percent of those who were

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Speaker 1: surveyed had experienced some form of crime, which totaled about

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Speaker 1: one hundred and forty thousand incidents in twenty twenty four alone,

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Speaker 1: and about forty percent of these crimes weren't even reported

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Speaker 1: to the police. Now, Ruben Sharples is the owner of

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Speaker 1: the Ossie Butcher and New Lyn and is with us. Now, hey, Ruben,

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Speaker 1: here you go very well.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Have you done the same thing if you had some

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Speaker 1: crime happen and not gone to the cops with it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's for a lot of the sort of the

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Speaker 3: general sort of shoplifting.

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Speaker 2: It's like sometimes you see them, we can't catch them.

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Speaker 3: And I have reported it in the past, but if

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Speaker 3: it's a small amount, like a smaller dollar figure, it's

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Speaker 3: like at least that's under one hundred dollars or something.

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Speaker 3: By the time I sort of spend my time trying

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Speaker 3: to download all the images and send them through it's

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Speaker 3: and the police to just they do attend, Like, we've

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Speaker 3: got a very good local group in Newlyn, But it

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Speaker 3: seems that the whole the greater the greater justice system

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Speaker 3: doesn't really they do their job and then it seems

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Speaker 3: that they get a slap on the hand and.

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Speaker 2: Nothing really happens. But probably nine times out of ten

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Speaker 2: it doesn't get reported.

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Speaker 1: Okay. And is it the case that every time you

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Speaker 1: report something you have to provide the evidence for it,

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Speaker 1: like you have to go and find the CCTV right. Well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: so it's a huge amount. It's like a huge effort

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Speaker 1: on your part.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's yeah, like it is quite tiresome. I

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Speaker 3: mean the websites that you have you can upload if

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Speaker 3: I've got time, I usually will upload it. On that

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Speaker 3: kind of side of things. I can't remember the website

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Speaker 3: at the moment, and it's pretty easy to do. So

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Speaker 3: that's been made easier in the later of years.

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Speaker 1: Ruben, what's the value, like, what would it what would

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Speaker 1: it take? How much would someone have to nick for

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Speaker 1: you to feel like it was worth going to the police.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we've had some pretty big ones in the

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Speaker 3: past which I have gone and they have been caught

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Speaker 3: and justice has been served. I know that like somebody

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Speaker 3: that a few years ago stole a lot of eggs

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Speaker 3: lamb of us with their break ins. Whe have stole

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Speaker 3: thousands Christmas time, we had four thousand turkeys.

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Speaker 2: Stole them. How that got reported? We had a container

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Speaker 2: out the front.

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Speaker 3: And they were they spent probably fifteen minutes, eventually got

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Speaker 3: him and then yeah, and stole half in our Christmas turkeys,

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Speaker 3: which was which was kind.

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Speaker 2: Of that got reported. And but I mean they're not silly.

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Speaker 3: They don't rock up with a sign saying their names

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Speaker 3: Reuben Chaples. They're all bella, clubbed and gloved and every

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Speaker 3: so there's no fingerprints and they in the cops came down,

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Speaker 3: forensics came down very quickly when I reported that, but nothing.

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Speaker 2: Was available.

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Speaker 1: Ruben, How how are you finding crime at the moment?

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Speaker 1: Has it come back slightly? Is it as bad as

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Speaker 1: it ever was?

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Speaker 2: Where I think it's opportunists. I think if people see that,

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Speaker 2: so we'll make sure we've got a couple of shop

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Speaker 2: assistants in the shop.

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Speaker 3: If you see someone that sort of you know, in

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Speaker 3: summer and they come in with a great big puff

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Speaker 3: of jackets and a bag at the front with it

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Speaker 3: unzipped and sort of go out in the shop and

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Speaker 3: it will to send out, so there's quite a few

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Speaker 3: staff out, so they don't sort of get the opportunity.

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Speaker 2: I think that's a big.

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Speaker 3: I think it's expensive, Like we all know how expensive

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Speaker 3: groceries they've got over the last few years.

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Speaker 2: And I think that's I think that's a big issue.

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Speaker 3: We had one that we had quite a comical one

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Speaker 3: the other day or other week. They came in, had

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Speaker 3: a wig on and a hat on, and someone just

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Speaker 3: turned their corner and they managed to just bolt and lit.

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Speaker 3: My guys gave chase, but this person was faster than

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Speaker 3: the same bolt through the wig off, through the hat off,

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Speaker 3: and yeah, but that was that was probably only thirty dollars.

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Speaker 1: They what that?

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Speaker 3: What is it?

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Speaker 2: What?

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Speaker 1: What are people wigging and hatting up for? What are

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Speaker 1: they know?

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Speaker 2: Well, they you need to packet the lamb chops and

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Speaker 2: some mints.

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Speaker 3: So so when you sort of see it like that,

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Speaker 3: that's I don't think that's to on sell to be

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Speaker 3: like comes in and taking it's hungry. If someone comes

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Speaker 3: in and they're taking I filets and things like that

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Speaker 3: with they're selling it to get money to buy other

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Speaker 3: you know where it's food, or whether it's to buy

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Speaker 3: drugs or not saying that, but it's you can sort

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Speaker 3: of you can sort of pick the difference. The ones

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Speaker 3: that just take small amounts it's because they obviously don't

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Speaker 3: have any money, or you.

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Speaker 1: Know, yeah, that's great. Hey, Rubin, I really appreciate your time, man,

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Speaker 1: Thanks very much. It's Ruben Sharples, the owner of the

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Speaker 1: Assie Butcher and Newland. I mean, I'll tell you what

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Speaker 1: if it's if if forty percent of crime is all

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Speaker 1: that's being reported, it just tells you how much worse

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