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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine

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Speaker 1: from News Talks b.

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Speaker 2: As always on a Sunday afternoon. Great pleasure to welcome

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Speaker 2: in James mcconey to the show. Hello James, Hi, poney.

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Speaker 3: If you had a little weekend in Aukland?

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Speaker 2: Have you?

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Speaker 3: I have?

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Speaker 2: And I know you know that because can I say

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Speaker 2: it was an absolute honor to be in the Alternative

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Speaker 2: Commentary Collective Commentary booth the other night as you called

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Speaker 2: your Chiefs to another victory.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was great to have you there, pony. I mean,

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Speaker 3: no pressure. I couldn't work out what your hand gest is.

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Speaker 3: Where were you going up the Chiefs? I'm hoping.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if it wasn't obvious, maybe you need to work

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Speaker 2: on them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah you do. Yeah, there was fingers evolved. It couldn't

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Speaker 3: work it out. But the thing is the Chiefs. I

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Speaker 3: mean then it was a week game. It was. It

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Speaker 3: was a horrible game. I think the Chiefs deserved it.

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Speaker 3: But I also thought there was an incredible try non

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Speaker 3: try by Harry McLachlin Phillips the Clint Queens and Reds

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Speaker 3: first five. It was such so close and I mean

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Speaker 3: he partially bobbled the ball when he slid over the

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Speaker 3: goal line. But it was it felt like it was

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Speaker 3: a try. They should have given that. I mean, you

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Speaker 3: can't come back. I mean, are we going? It's too

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Speaker 3: much of a fine tooth cone for me. Look, it

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Speaker 3: looked like a great try, but meanwhile, there's lots of

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Speaker 3: other things that they let go and rugby, so what

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Speaker 3: would I know, Piney and the end, the Chiefs got

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Speaker 3: it done and Shawn Stevenson one hundred games that sort

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Speaker 3: of sneaked up on me. But hey, what a great

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Speaker 3: servant he's been.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely and I just feel like the Chiefs, I mean,

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Speaker 2: all the other New Zealand sides sort of tend to be,

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Speaker 2: I don't know, picking their way through inconsistency. I mean,

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Speaker 2: the Crusader's won in Figiys today for the first time,

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Speaker 2: so they're back up to second. But the Hurricanes losing

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Speaker 2: last night to the Blues who have been underwhelming, the

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Speaker 2: Highlanders lost again. I think the bright light in all

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Speaker 2: of this, apart from your Chiefs, is Molwana PACIFICA Oh wow.

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Speaker 3: I know, what a game. And it looked like they

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Speaker 3: were going to get undone by Joseph seuer Lky, So

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Speaker 3: imagine that the sort of highest profile probably highest paid

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Speaker 3: pacifica play on the other team looking a million or

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Speaker 3: every bit of his two million or four million US

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Speaker 3: America Australian sorry dollars. But then what happened is that

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Speaker 3: I think early in the second half Artie sa Via

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Speaker 3: tackled him and pushed the sort of driven back about

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Speaker 3: seven meters and then a few minutes later he got

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Speaker 3: the ball and shrugged him off, and I was thinking, okay,

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Speaker 3: that is a welcome to rugby moment, you know from

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Speaker 3: basically the sort of the big chief on the block,

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Speaker 3: and that is Artie. He leads that team so well.

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Speaker 3: But the way the style of the tries was incredible,

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Speaker 3: just champagne rugby on a sunny afternoon in the North Shore,

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Speaker 3: a lot to light about their resolve and also a

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Speaker 3: props going a hat drink.

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Speaker 2: Oh look, that was so good. I just loved everything

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Speaker 2: about it. And I now look ahead to next weekend

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Speaker 2: when the Blues welcome Mawana Pacificate to Eden Park. I

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Speaker 2: think it's to four thirty five kickoffs, so got a

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Speaker 2: I reckon there'll be more there supporting Mowana PACIFICA.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is the problem, the battle for Auckland, especially

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Speaker 3: with bums on seats. I mean, well, the Warriors are

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Speaker 3: it didn't look good last night against the Hurricanes and

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Speaker 3: they had some epic battles and just recently last season.

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Speaker 3: The last regular season game last year between the Blues

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Speaker 3: and the Hurricanes was one full time, wasn't it.

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Speaker 2: It was?

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Speaker 3: There were Test match firs last night too. But I

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Speaker 3: think duples could Fish summed it up pretty well when

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Speaker 3: he just said, you know, it's just small moments will

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Speaker 2: They took about the battle for bums on seats and

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Speaker 2: a cross town at the home of the Warriors. It

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Speaker 2: there yesterday. I've been to all of their home games.

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Speaker 2: at them. It's been a buzz all year. Yesterday was

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Speaker 2: I think even even bigger in terms of the Firs.

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Speaker 2: If Auckland happened to win that game, I think that

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Speaker 3: And that's the other thing. I mean, if the Wars

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Speaker 3: And it's really hurt the Blues in particular that the

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Speaker 3: I mean it was a one all draw in the end,

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Speaker 3: I missed the game live. Just the energy and the

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Speaker 3: crowd noise. It's just like nothing else I've really seen

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Speaker 3: So they're on to something special there. It was a

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Speaker 3: bizarre medal game. I will say at the end, the

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Speaker 3: chance that fell to his left foot. Of course he's

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Speaker 2: Pinty look as that ball came across to him. I

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Speaker 2: remember this so distinctly, I think everybody it was almost

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Speaker 2: like that that moment you know before a goal scored,

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately that didn't come, but there was just that split

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Speaker 3: But instead, because it felt his left foot, he pretty

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Speaker 3: do have to have it. Just work it out. I

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Speaker 3: it is with your weak foot work, you know, find

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Speaker 3: like Sako had yesterday. It would have, like you say,

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Speaker 2: A couple of other matters we've been speaking about the

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Speaker 2: depth building in New Zealand cricket, particularly in the white

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Speaker 2: There are some quite exciting and promising young cricketers starting

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Indeed, reyes Marty, who remember the name? He scored

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Speaker 3: I know that we've watched, you know, witness excellence of

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Speaker 3: disappointed to see that King Williamson has decided not to

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Speaker 3: So look if you're going to do that, mate, let's

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Speaker 3: And he's going to retire a legend. And I'm happy

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Speaker 3: I feel that that record that he's gotten test matches

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Speaker 2: Did you came, Williamson? Did you see that clip where

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Speaker 2: they've basically used AI to change his language from English

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's incredible, and in fact was so good that

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Speaker 3: you're not allowed, no one's allowed to do an Indian

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Speaker 2: I know, it was quite confronting almost it.

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Speaker 3: Was and yeah, good on them. It's it's it's it's

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Speaker 3: I've dabbled with AI songwriting and and it's it's fun,

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Speaker 3: I've had an AI voice creator of Christopher Luxon and

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Speaker 3: it's bang on as it bang on.

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Speaker 2: I mean, is this definitely you?

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Speaker 3: Yes, it is me Jason Pine. Great to be on

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Speaker 3: your show. Is the best in the world, I think? No,

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Speaker 3: I mean this is the whole thing AI. Can you tell? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's tough, it is tough, but it's going to be

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Speaker 3: interesting in our industry anyway. Will you get AI, Poney,

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Speaker 3: Well we.

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Speaker 2: Might, but I'll never get AI, James Maconey, I can

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Speaker 2: assure you of that. Look forward to chatting next Sunday

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Speaker 2: with you or someone who sounds like you. Thanks mate.

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