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Speaker 2: Two five four three.

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Speaker 3: Hello you great New Zealanders, and welcome to Met and

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Speaker 3: Tyler Full Show podcast number two five three for the

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Speaker 3: twenty eighth of November. It's a Friday, and boy, I

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Speaker 3: love that show today.

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Speaker 2: What a show, what a show adventure. So much happened,

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Speaker 2: got sidetracked a little bit by gout.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's right, yeah, yeah, gout spoiler. It's gout. So

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Speaker 3: if you listen to Out, yeah, it might beg out spoiler.

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Speaker 2: But we had a fantastic interview with a great New Zealander.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. For one of the first times ever we've got

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Speaker 3: the New Zealand of the week joins us on the

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Speaker 3: show to celebrate their victory.

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Speaker 2: So super exciting.

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Speaker 3: So thank you so much for listening to our podcast.

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Speaker 3: And you seem busy will let you go, so give

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Speaker 3: them a taste to Kewy from us.

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Speaker 2: All right then, love you big.

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Speaker 1: Stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything in between.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talk said.

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Speaker 2: Be for a good afternoon to you. It is six

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Speaker 2: pass one. Welcome into Friday's show. Feel pretty good on

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Speaker 2: a Friday for most of us of the week, but

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Speaker 2: great day of your company. Get a Matt.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for tuning in, you Gray Newzellas, Move you up.

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Speaker 2: Now. There's been a few people talking to me this week.

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Speaker 2: Met They've been seeing you, but not seeing you in person.

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Speaker 2: So they've been seeing you in the supermarket. They've been

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Speaker 2: seeing you in wit calls, they've been seeing you in

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Speaker 2: various places that you buy magazines. I get around, you

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Speaker 2: get around. So I said, well, what's going on here?

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Speaker 2: Why you've seeing Matt? So they've sent me pictures and

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Speaker 2: turns out you are on the front cover of New

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Speaker 2: Zealand Woman's Weekly.

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Speaker 3: Oh I am, aren't I?

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Speaker 2: Right next to the beautiful Princess Catherine. Then there's a

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Speaker 2: little picture of you, Matilda Green and Lee Hard and

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Speaker 2: it says stars tell all while this why Christmas is different?

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Speaker 4: Ah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, a Christmas story. What's interesting about this? Tyler as

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Speaker 3: of snake g You haven't I you have? Because you're

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Speaker 3: supposed to be in the Woman's Weekly this week. It's

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Speaker 3: supposed to be you on the cover with a different

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Speaker 3: story with your lovely partner.

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Speaker 2: That's why people are coming to me and saying.

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Speaker 3: Radio Superstar makes a move from christ Church to Auckland. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: there's a lot going on there. And then you got

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Speaker 3: the message, isn't you We've bumped you for Heath.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So that's why people have been coming up to

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Speaker 2: me because I said t Evron, please go and buy

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Speaker 2: turn up to the supermarket and see you're your mug there.

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Speaker 2: But it's a beautiful photo, mate, I mean you three

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Speaker 2: you look gorgeous. It is a good cause.

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Speaker 3: One of them, one of us looks better than me

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Speaker 2: But it is it's a good cause mate, it's a

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Speaker 3: Oh yes, absolutely. So we're just talking about Christmas for

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Speaker 3: the good people at Variety who have raised one hundred

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Speaker 3: give some money, Variety christmas dot org to donate. Variety

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so please, you know, do me a favor. If

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Speaker 2: I haven't yet? Is that I don't know. That might

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Speaker 2: That's out on Mondays. But well done, mate, you stake

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Speaker 2: today's show after three o'clock because it is a Friday.

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Speaker 2: It's what the whole country gets excited for. New Zealander

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Speaker 3: Who will it be? Every week on Matton Tyler afternoons

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Speaker 3: we named the New Zealand of the week.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of big contenders. If you think you've

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Speaker 3: After two o'clock.

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Speaker 2: So David Pickham, he's revealed he has a softer peering

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Speaker 2: his approach to fatherhood in a recent podcast with James Gordon.

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Speaker 2: But if you didn't see the documentary, the Beckham documentary

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so are you worried that you've been too soft

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Speaker 3: You know there's that thing where you're supposed to be

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know the trades offs, right, Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean that's the exact opposite of the participation trophy.

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Speaker 3: maybe you have to be cruel to be kind.

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Speaker 2: That is after two o'clock. But right now, let's have

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Speaker 2: accepting jury selections. So there's a bill before Parliament it's

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Speaker 2: if they are called upon. As it stands, right now,

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Speaker 2: you hit sixty five, the law states that you've served

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Speaker 3: No, you can be asked, but they can't force you

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Speaker 3: to thank you. Yes, So for the rest of us,

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Speaker 3: and you can get you can attempt to get out

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Speaker 3: you also don't know how long it's going to be.

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Speaker 3: You don't get you don't really get paid to do it,

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Speaker 3: and there's a lot of pressure and just stepping out

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Speaker 3: currently you don't have to if you're over sixty five,

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Speaker 3: but that is about to change. What do you think

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Speaker 2: Can I just give you a we are we stat here?

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Speaker 2: So currently forty seven percent of excusals when it comes

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Speaker 2: big number. I mean, that's why they're struggling to fill

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but I think a lot of over sixty five

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Speaker 3: to choose to do it as well, don't they.

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Speaker 3: So, I mean there is a situation that can happen,

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Speaker 3: And it happened to Socrates, didn't it, Where it was

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Speaker 3: and they condemned death and Eveone was like, come on, yeah,

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Speaker 3: it was Socrates. You've just killed Socrates and the smartest guys.

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Speaker 3: The argument was that that it wasn't representative of the

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Speaker 2: I wait, one hundred and eighty ten eighty does this

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Speaker 2: make sense to you to change the law that if

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Speaker 2: you're over sixty five you've hit retirement age that if

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Speaker 2: you get that letter you will be required to at

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Speaker 2: ten jury service or do you think it should remain

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Speaker 2: as it is. Love to your thoughts on this nineteen

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and on just the thing, the question of boomer,

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Speaker 3: because when we've started talking about this before, a bunch

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Speaker 3: of people text through and said, we I don't like

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Speaker 3: being called a boomer. Don't call me a boomer. It's derogatory.

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Speaker 3: So supplementary question, do you not like being called a boomer?

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Speaker 2: That was the headline of the story.

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Speaker 3: Hey, I got it right and then corrected myself. Lee

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Speaker 3: and Me was correct. Take Lee out of the sentence.

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Speaker 3: She looks better than me, is correct. That's right. So

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Speaker 3: it's Lee and I, Me and Lee. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So if there's a third party, it's Lee and me.

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Speaker 2: If it's just you and Lee, it's Lee and I.

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Speaker 3: Well, as Sue says, Lee and Me was correct. Take

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Speaker 2: The Oracle has spoken, though, so thank you very much. Right, oh,

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Speaker 2: There be eighteen past one.

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Speaker 2: If you're over sixty five and you get a letter,

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Speaker 3: This is a confusing text here, Tyler, get rid of juries.

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Speaker 3: The text seems to be planning a murder.

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Speaker 2: Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is a number

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the joke.

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Speaker 7: Welcome, welcome, welco We says, okay, now, the devil isten

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Speaker 8: I'm just springing this on you.

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Speaker 9: As I quickly thought out thought, okay, great.

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Speaker 7: The retirement age has put up to sixty sixties. However,

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Speaker 6: At sixty five.

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Speaker 7: Provider, do you make yourself available for fifty two weeks

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Speaker 7: The closer you get to the age of sixty six,

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Speaker 10: If you do not want to sit.

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Speaker 7: On the jury, then you don't get the preempt of

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Speaker 3: Right. So with that key, so what do you say

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Speaker 9: Fair enough, fair enough.

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Speaker 7: I believe that both of you are under sixty four

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Speaker 7: I say that retarded. We're not, okay, retarded had anyway,

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Speaker 7: You're not You're not You're not deed if you're reasonably

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Speaker 11: Fit, healthy at sixty five.

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Speaker 7: They do all sorts of things that you're. In fact,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, although keys right now you are allowed to do it.

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Speaker 12: Have you knocked me off here?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 7: I can get the pinchuon of sixty five.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's like I'll just stick it up. I

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Speaker 12: And put yourself in the jury selection pool.

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Speaker 7: You may not get selected, but to have yourself fully

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Speaker 2: Better to assist.

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Speaker 3: My only concern would be with that idea keys, is

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Speaker 3: It was a real good representation. And I was looking

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Speaker 2: Yeah, good point. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is

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Speaker 3: No, It says essentially just that if you're over sixty five,

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Speaker 3: over sixty five not thanks, non keen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, come on through nine two nine two is the text.

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Speaker 2: It is twenty four past one, back in a month.

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Speaker 1: The headlines and the hard questions. It's the mac asking, breakfast.

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Speaker 13: are they, Bruce Patten, this's loan market mortgage advisor.

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Speaker 3: Have they No, not at all.

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Speaker 9: They're holding from a really good march.

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Speaker 14: We can see that given.

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Speaker 12: They're paying one and a half percent cash.

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Speaker 13: Cryptly, so, if you're in the Nikola Willis camp that

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Speaker 15: Is that vent absolutely break off for a client for

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Speaker 12: That tells me that they could be doing three years

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Speaker 13: And a half MAC Monday from six am the mic

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Speaker 2: Seven past one. So should those aged over sixty five

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Speaker 2: the bill before Parliament at the moment. Can you get

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Speaker 3: Of the reasons why they can't fill juries is because

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Speaker 3: So this is the This is the payment. If you're

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Speaker 3: the first week you get a pay rise. So if

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Speaker 2: From thirty one to forty Yeah, okay, nine bucks eighty yep.

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Speaker 3: After six pm one hundred and fourteen, after nine pm

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Speaker 2: It's better than a slap in the face.

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Speaker 3: And of course employer employers are not legally required to

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Speaker 3: You get, you get certain extense expenses, childcare and transport.

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Speaker 3: You're parking, yep, not uber, not a taxi? No, No,

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Speaker 2: It's a shame.

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Speaker 3: It's a shame, mainly public transport.

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Speaker 2: Sandy, How are you good day? How are you going

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Speaker 2: very good? Can you hear your story?

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Speaker 15: So?

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Speaker 16: Yeah, thank you.

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Speaker 10: So I turned sixty five in September.

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Speaker 3: Congratulations, I feel more like.

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Speaker 10: No, I feel more like fifty five. But I was

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Speaker 10: really privileged to have the opportunity to step up and

439
00:19:45,813 --> 00:19:49,853
Speaker 10: contribute to society. I think I understand why a lot

440
00:19:49,853 --> 00:19:52,493
Speaker 10: of people can't do it because of childcare commitments and

441
00:19:52,613 --> 00:19:56,253
Speaker 10: work commitments, But when you're sixty five, it's likely that

442
00:19:56,333 --> 00:19:58,653
Speaker 10: you could make it. So I don't really have any

443
00:19:58,733 --> 00:20:02,933
Speaker 10: understanding is why they would change that. I mean, we

444
00:20:03,013 --> 00:20:05,973
Speaker 10: need a broad spectrum of people in society to be

445
00:20:06,093 --> 00:20:11,173
Speaker 10: on juries, to get a fear and equitable understanding of

446
00:20:11,213 --> 00:20:14,213
Speaker 10: what's going on. But I don't see any reason why

447
00:20:14,253 --> 00:20:16,093
Speaker 10: they would change the age to sixty six.

448
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Speaker 3: So the idea is that they'll change it now to

449
00:20:20,013 --> 00:20:22,853
Speaker 3: seventy two, I believe. So it's seventy two, you can

450
00:20:23,333 --> 00:20:27,213
Speaker 3: still serve on the jury, but at seventy two you

451
00:20:27,213 --> 00:20:29,572
Speaker 3: would now be able to say just automatically get off

452
00:20:29,573 --> 00:20:32,493
Speaker 3: the jury if you don't want to do it up

453
00:20:32,533 --> 00:20:35,133
Speaker 3: from sixty five. So right now, if you get usked

454
00:20:35,133 --> 00:20:38,013
Speaker 3: to do jury service, Sandy, you can say sixty five.

455
00:20:38,093 --> 00:20:39,973
Speaker 3: You can say yay or nay to it. You can't

456
00:20:39,973 --> 00:20:41,813
Speaker 3: stay yay to it, and a lot of people do,

457
00:20:42,253 --> 00:20:45,053
Speaker 3: but you can also say nay to it and I message.

458
00:20:45,333 --> 00:20:48,413
Speaker 10: I thought they were saying that you didn't have to

459
00:20:48,573 --> 00:20:51,053
Speaker 10: and I think so you should absolutely be able to

460
00:20:51,053 --> 00:20:53,293
Speaker 10: sit on the jury service and it shouldn't be given.

461
00:20:53,253 --> 00:20:56,093
Speaker 10: You shouldn't be given the opportunity to lot. And they

462
00:20:56,093 --> 00:20:59,693
Speaker 10: sh've got really sound grounds. You're not well, said, you've

463
00:20:59,693 --> 00:21:02,773
Speaker 10: got child key, you've got work commitments, but everybody should

464
00:21:03,373 --> 00:21:06,052
Speaker 10: do their best to be on that jury.

465
00:21:06,133 --> 00:21:08,613
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you don't You don't buy by the agument

466
00:21:08,693 --> 00:21:11,733
Speaker 2: that it has been in the past that by sixty

467
00:21:11,733 --> 00:21:15,253
Speaker 2: five you've served your duty to your country, your page

468
00:21:15,253 --> 00:21:18,093
Speaker 2: of texts, you've worked, you've got to pension age, and

469
00:21:18,573 --> 00:21:19,973
Speaker 2: your responsibilities are gone.

470
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Speaker 3: Now you don't buy that.

471
00:21:22,053 --> 00:21:25,453
Speaker 10: Absolutely, not not one, not even one I own. So

472
00:21:25,853 --> 00:21:28,093
Speaker 10: at what stage do you stop having to stop being

473
00:21:28,133 --> 00:21:30,293
Speaker 10: part of society? As I said, and this, you've got

474
00:21:30,293 --> 00:21:33,493
Speaker 10: a really sound ground. You're not well, you know, you

475
00:21:33,533 --> 00:21:38,133
Speaker 10: haven't aged well. You maybe you know mentally and not

476
00:21:38,253 --> 00:21:41,413
Speaker 10: capable or whatever reason. But if you're fit and well

477
00:21:41,453 --> 00:21:46,653
Speaker 10: and healthy, you're being paid by society for your pension

478
00:21:46,773 --> 00:21:50,693
Speaker 10: and okay, you've contributed to it, but still it's an

479
00:21:50,693 --> 00:21:54,173
Speaker 10: amazing system that we have. And if you can still

480
00:21:54,213 --> 00:21:59,733
Speaker 10: do your bed, then absolutely you should.

481
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Speaker 3: Thanks so much for your call. Sandy. Yeah, that's an

482
00:22:00,973 --> 00:22:03,893
Speaker 3: interesting way look at it. So, you know, the sixty

483
00:22:03,973 --> 00:22:09,253
Speaker 3: five idea, it's almost like a compliment at the moment.

484
00:22:09,733 --> 00:22:12,733
Speaker 3: You've given enough at sixty five, so we can't demand

485
00:22:12,773 --> 00:22:15,733
Speaker 3: that you go now. But Sandy's kind of saying, it's

486
00:22:15,853 --> 00:22:18,213
Speaker 3: kind of almost an insult because you're kind of saying

487
00:22:18,213 --> 00:22:21,293
Speaker 3: it's sixty five. You know you might not be up

488
00:22:21,333 --> 00:22:24,653
Speaker 3: to it. Yeah, but absolutely you're up to it. And

489
00:22:24,693 --> 00:22:26,893
Speaker 3: there is actually no upper age limit in New Zealand

490
00:22:27,813 --> 00:22:33,333
Speaker 3: for jury service. So I mean, here's a text here saying, hi, guys,

491
00:22:33,373 --> 00:22:35,253
Speaker 3: my dad is ninety seven and he just got called

492
00:22:35,293 --> 00:22:37,533
Speaker 3: up for jury service a few months ago. He can't

493
00:22:37,533 --> 00:22:39,893
Speaker 3: even dress himself and needs help to walk. I don't

494
00:22:39,893 --> 00:22:42,333
Speaker 3: think they check the ages when they send those letters out.

495
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Speaker 3: The funny thing was the old fellow wanted to go

496
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Speaker 3: up and do it right.

497
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Speaker 2: I mean, look, if you've got all your senses and capabilities,

498
00:22:51,733 --> 00:22:54,613
Speaker 2: then why not. I mean, if a ninety seven year

499
00:22:54,613 --> 00:22:57,933
Speaker 2: old granddad wants to go and he's still okay, then

500
00:22:57,973 --> 00:22:58,493
Speaker 2: go for gold.

501
00:22:58,573 --> 00:23:00,173
Speaker 3: Well, if there's a ninety seven year old out there

502
00:23:00,173 --> 00:23:02,613
Speaker 3: doing ram raids, then they'll end up in front of

503
00:23:02,653 --> 00:23:05,293
Speaker 3: the courts. So it only seems fear that you could

504
00:23:05,293 --> 00:23:06,773
Speaker 3: have ninety seven year olds in the jury.

505
00:23:06,893 --> 00:23:08,693
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of logic in that. Oh, one

506
00:23:08,733 --> 00:23:10,573
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to core.

507
00:23:10,613 --> 00:23:12,893
Speaker 2: How do you feel about this potential law change that

508
00:23:12,973 --> 00:23:15,933
Speaker 2: if you're over sixty five you'll be required to attend

509
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Speaker 2: jury service headlines with ray Lean coming up.

510
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Speaker 17: US talks at be headlines with blue bubble taxis. It's

511
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Speaker 17: no trouble with a blue bubble. Police and customs say

512
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Speaker 17: they've unraveled a transnational organized crime syndicate importing huge quantities

513
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Speaker 17: of meth and cocaine into the country. Police have made

514
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Speaker 17: forty three arrests since February. Half were baggage handlers at

515
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Speaker 17: Auckland Airport. One of the two National Guards soldiers who

516
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Speaker 17: were shot in Washington, d C.

517
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Speaker 3: Has died.

518
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Speaker 18: The other soldier remains critically injured after yesterday's shooting. The

519
00:23:52,013 --> 00:23:56,253
Speaker 18: alleged shooter is in custody. The government's announced five million

520
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Speaker 18: dollars is being invested into Gisbon's Eastland Port for new

521
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Speaker 18: container handling equipment. This is the first project to receive

522
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Speaker 18: funding through the government's thirty million dollar Coastal Shipping Resilience Fund.

523
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Speaker 18: France is introducing ten months voluntary military service. Concerned about

524
00:24:13,853 --> 00:24:17,613
Speaker 18: a growing threat of war with Russia, almost three decades

525
00:24:17,653 --> 00:24:21,973
Speaker 18: since scrapping conscription, French President Emmanuel Macron has announced the

526
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Speaker 18: new national service, mostly for eighteen to nineteen year olds.

527
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Speaker 18: It'll begin next year. Can the A to Milk Leopard

528
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Speaker 18: change its spots? Read this and more from stock Takes

529
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Speaker 18: at ends Aid Herald Premium Back to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Raylene. Should those over sixty five

531
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Speaker 2: be required to serve in a jury if required?

532
00:24:42,973 --> 00:24:43,093
Speaker 9: Oh?

533
00:24:43,093 --> 00:24:44,733
Speaker 2: E one hundred and eighty ten eighty as the number

534
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Speaker 2: to call. They're looking to change the law.

535
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Speaker 3: Hi, guys. As an over sixty five, big pardon year

536
00:24:50,813 --> 00:24:53,293
Speaker 3: old retired police officer, I'm really looking forward to being

537
00:24:53,293 --> 00:24:55,773
Speaker 3: called for jury service. I've been called twice in the past.

538
00:24:55,773 --> 00:24:57,133
Speaker 3: Well so I was on a job, but was of

539
00:24:57,133 --> 00:25:01,893
Speaker 3: course disqualified. Now look out, Krim. They will absolutely be guilty.

540
00:25:02,133 --> 00:25:04,013
Speaker 3: So all good old cheers. Mark.

541
00:25:05,173 --> 00:25:07,293
Speaker 2: Good to know if I ever do something and there's

542
00:25:07,293 --> 00:25:09,773
Speaker 2: a mark on the jury of police officer for.

543
00:25:09,893 --> 00:25:13,693
Speaker 3: Whatever the evidence, Mark is sending you down, rich Ed,

544
00:25:13,733 --> 00:25:14,413
Speaker 3: welcome to the show.

545
00:25:16,013 --> 00:25:18,653
Speaker 11: Well, I think that it's age just to suggest that

546
00:25:18,813 --> 00:25:21,973
Speaker 11: over sixty five shouldn't imagine you take the age get

547
00:25:21,973 --> 00:25:25,213
Speaker 11: of Imagine if you said all Catholic people don't have

548
00:25:25,333 --> 00:25:28,933
Speaker 11: to do it, or all Chinese people don't have to

549
00:25:28,933 --> 00:25:31,413
Speaker 11: do it, people will be having arms. That's racist to it. Whatever,

550
00:25:32,293 --> 00:25:35,013
Speaker 11: there's no reason why sixty five plus can't do it.

551
00:25:35,093 --> 00:25:38,533
Speaker 11: I'm sixty two now. I did my first jury service

552
00:25:38,573 --> 00:25:42,093
Speaker 11: when I was fifty eight. I loved doing my service

553
00:25:42,653 --> 00:25:44,893
Speaker 11: and there was a very wide range of people on

554
00:25:44,933 --> 00:25:47,093
Speaker 11: my diary. It was a murder trial, so it was

555
00:25:47,173 --> 00:25:51,733
Speaker 11: quite important. And I think that the problem is is

556
00:25:51,773 --> 00:25:54,613
Speaker 11: that we've got to have the best people within. There's

557
00:25:54,653 --> 00:25:58,053
Speaker 11: just as many morons than the twenty twenty year old

558
00:25:58,373 --> 00:25:59,213
Speaker 11: bracket as there.

559
00:25:59,093 --> 00:26:03,733
Speaker 3: Is more year old bracket, more arguably old statement. I mean, Richard,

560
00:26:04,053 --> 00:26:05,532
Speaker 3: I was much more of a moron when I was

561
00:26:05,533 --> 00:26:09,053
Speaker 3: in my twenties than I am now. I'm sure of it, right, and.

562
00:26:09,173 --> 00:26:10,613
Speaker 11: It takes you a while to grow out of that.

563
00:26:10,773 --> 00:26:12,733
Speaker 11: That's the whole point why you do need some older

564
00:26:12,773 --> 00:26:16,853
Speaker 11: people in there, because they've experienced more things, and then

565
00:26:17,253 --> 00:26:20,453
Speaker 11: they can read into things in their own way, just

566
00:26:20,493 --> 00:26:22,532
Speaker 11: for like some twenty year olds can do, just like

567
00:26:22,573 --> 00:26:24,813
Speaker 11: some thirty year olds can do. And I'll tell you what,

568
00:26:25,013 --> 00:26:28,173
Speaker 11: it's not a perfect system. Because there's one thing to

569
00:26:28,293 --> 00:26:30,693
Speaker 11: date the vain trial drew to us, is they still

570
00:26:30,733 --> 00:26:32,893
Speaker 11: possibly get some morals on a jury.

571
00:26:34,333 --> 00:26:39,373
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, comment, Yeah, found guilty in this first trial

572
00:26:39,413 --> 00:26:43,253
Speaker 3: and innocent in his second one. Richard. Hey, So, Richard,

573
00:26:43,253 --> 00:26:45,093
Speaker 3: when you were fifty eight and you went on on

574
00:26:45,253 --> 00:26:48,493
Speaker 3: juris service and that you said it was a murder trial.

575
00:26:48,653 --> 00:26:50,933
Speaker 3: That would have been a long trial, how did you

576
00:26:51,133 --> 00:26:54,253
Speaker 3: deal with that in terms of time off work and such.

577
00:26:55,893 --> 00:26:57,853
Speaker 11: Well, I work for myself now, but at the time

578
00:26:57,933 --> 00:27:01,293
Speaker 11: I was working for a company and they have a

579
00:27:01,373 --> 00:27:03,813
Speaker 11: policy where you get called up, they will continue to

580
00:27:03,813 --> 00:27:07,373
Speaker 11: pay you. So okay, it wasn't. But I thought the

581
00:27:07,413 --> 00:27:10,933
Speaker 11: amount that they offered was pretty fierce. I thought I

582
00:27:10,933 --> 00:27:13,173
Speaker 11: thought it was a bit more generous than what you

583
00:27:13,573 --> 00:27:18,933
Speaker 11: get the outline before. But there wasn't anybody. There was

584
00:27:18,933 --> 00:27:21,773
Speaker 11: only one person who pulled out. One pair jury got

585
00:27:22,173 --> 00:27:24,573
Speaker 11: selected and they got replaced, and that was because they

586
00:27:24,613 --> 00:27:29,413
Speaker 11: were an early childhood education teacher and they were allowed

587
00:27:29,453 --> 00:27:34,413
Speaker 11: time off for three or four days. But we got

588
00:27:34,413 --> 00:27:36,572
Speaker 11: told that it was likely to last two weeks, and

589
00:27:36,613 --> 00:27:39,133
Speaker 11: so she said, I can't have that much time away

590
00:27:39,173 --> 00:27:41,413
Speaker 11: from work, so they let her off. I think, if

591
00:27:41,453 --> 00:27:44,613
Speaker 11: anybody wants to get office, they've got valid reasons, so

592
00:27:44,813 --> 00:27:48,253
Speaker 11: pretty sensible, So let you get off. But as it

593
00:27:48,333 --> 00:27:54,053
Speaker 11: turned out, the trial only lasted four days, and we

594
00:27:54,053 --> 00:27:57,533
Speaker 11: we took a very short period of time to work

595
00:27:57,573 --> 00:27:58,413
Speaker 11: out the right answer.

596
00:27:59,093 --> 00:28:03,373
Speaker 3: Well that's that's short for a murder trial. Just four days.

597
00:28:03,893 --> 00:28:07,533
Speaker 11: Well, surprisingly, I think to everybody that the sense decided

598
00:28:07,573 --> 00:28:09,493
Speaker 11: not to put up any witnesses, right.

599
00:28:09,373 --> 00:28:12,933
Speaker 2: Right, Okay, okay, so that's telling. I want to ask

600
00:28:12,973 --> 00:28:14,813
Speaker 2: you which way it went. But it's funny, Richard, because

601
00:28:14,813 --> 00:28:17,373
Speaker 2: we've had a couple of calls now, and and I

602
00:28:17,373 --> 00:28:19,453
Speaker 2: think a lot of people, fairly enough take offense at

603
00:28:19,493 --> 00:28:21,453
Speaker 2: the idea that once yet sixty five, you're no longer

604
00:28:21,493 --> 00:28:24,173
Speaker 2: required to serve on a jury. But I've always looked

605
00:28:24,173 --> 00:28:26,613
Speaker 2: at it as a reward. It's a reward for your

606
00:28:26,693 --> 00:28:30,453
Speaker 2: service over those sixty five years or whatever, however long

607
00:28:30,493 --> 00:28:32,573
Speaker 2: you pay your taxes and done your jus. You don't

608
00:28:32,573 --> 00:28:34,133
Speaker 2: see it that way. You think it's an insult.

609
00:28:34,973 --> 00:28:37,933
Speaker 11: But there's every chance that in that sixty five years,

610
00:28:37,973 --> 00:28:41,573
Speaker 11: you haven't been called up for jury service, So, I

611
00:28:41,573 --> 00:28:43,893
Speaker 11: mean I had been called up once prior to this,

612
00:28:44,493 --> 00:28:46,773
Speaker 11: but at that point I was in a tribe that

613
00:28:46,893 --> 00:28:50,333
Speaker 11: precluded me from doing jury service. So this was my

614
00:28:50,453 --> 00:28:54,653
Speaker 11: fairst chance to do it. And when I finished, I

615
00:28:54,733 --> 00:28:58,013
Speaker 11: went back into the court office and a lot please

616
00:28:58,013 --> 00:29:00,693
Speaker 11: don't take my name off. I know that the juke

617
00:29:00,773 --> 00:29:02,893
Speaker 11: said we don't have to do it for a period

618
00:29:02,893 --> 00:29:05,333
Speaker 11: of time. Things have done this, but I'm quite aady

619
00:29:05,373 --> 00:29:07,853
Speaker 11: to do it next time, and so they met my

620
00:29:07,933 --> 00:29:08,253
Speaker 11: name on it.

621
00:29:09,373 --> 00:29:11,693
Speaker 3: I get on your ritchard. Thanks for calling. Yeah, I mean,

622
00:29:12,013 --> 00:29:15,453
Speaker 3: just a bunch of people are texting through. You can

623
00:29:16,613 --> 00:29:19,413
Speaker 3: currently do it if you're over sixty five. It's not

624
00:29:19,493 --> 00:29:21,773
Speaker 3: you're not being ruled out from doing it. You're just

625
00:29:21,933 --> 00:29:26,133
Speaker 3: given the automatic opportunity to get off doing jury service.

626
00:29:26,173 --> 00:29:27,893
Speaker 2: Basically, the only reason you need to give if you

627
00:29:27,893 --> 00:29:29,773
Speaker 2: don't want to do it is you're over sixty five.

628
00:29:29,813 --> 00:29:34,173
Speaker 3: Which I see a slightly logical flaw in that. Yeah,

629
00:29:34,213 --> 00:29:38,173
Speaker 3: because you can't have people volunteering for jewelry service because

630
00:29:38,213 --> 00:29:41,893
Speaker 3: then you get a jury full of volunteers, right, That's why,

631
00:29:41,973 --> 00:29:44,813
Speaker 3: that's why it has to be random. Yeah, right. So

632
00:29:46,333 --> 00:29:49,653
Speaker 3: by saying over sixty five you can either do it

633
00:29:49,773 --> 00:29:52,853
Speaker 3: or not, you are kind of getting a jury of

634
00:29:52,893 --> 00:29:55,213
Speaker 3: volunteers percentage.

635
00:29:55,253 --> 00:29:57,453
Speaker 2: It's a type of volunteers, a type of volunteer. Yeah,

636
00:29:57,493 --> 00:29:59,413
Speaker 2: because you don't have to do it over sixty five.

637
00:29:59,533 --> 00:30:01,493
Speaker 2: You're just on the volunteer thing. And I know there's

638
00:30:01,493 --> 00:30:03,813
Speaker 2: some serious flaws in that idea, but if you've never

639
00:30:03,813 --> 00:30:06,053
Speaker 2: done it in your life, there's a text here. Where

640
00:30:06,173 --> 00:30:11,653
Speaker 2: is it? I'll try and find it, But it was effectively,

641
00:30:11,933 --> 00:30:14,093
Speaker 2: I am closing in on sixty five and I've never

642
00:30:14,133 --> 00:30:16,293
Speaker 2: been given the opportunity to serve on a jury. My

643
00:30:16,413 --> 00:30:19,173
Speaker 2: sister has and she can't string two sentences together. Was

644
00:30:19,693 --> 00:30:22,733
Speaker 2: a gist of the text. But for someone that's never

645
00:30:22,773 --> 00:30:24,813
Speaker 2: done it to say, hey, I'll just give your heads up.

646
00:30:24,853 --> 00:30:27,773
Speaker 2: I've never got that letter. I think I'm a fairly normal,

647
00:30:27,933 --> 00:30:30,413
Speaker 2: average person that would be good on a jury. Can

648
00:30:30,453 --> 00:30:31,173
Speaker 2: I have a shot?

649
00:30:31,573 --> 00:30:34,533
Speaker 3: Yeah, But volunteers don't represent society, and the entire point

650
00:30:34,653 --> 00:30:38,093
Speaker 3: of a jury is to represent society, and some members

651
00:30:38,133 --> 00:30:40,533
Speaker 3: of society are like her sister and can't string two

652
00:30:40,533 --> 00:30:45,373
Speaker 3: words together, so that the randomness of it is hugely important,

653
00:30:45,533 --> 00:30:47,333
Speaker 3: to the point even when you called for jury service,

654
00:30:47,373 --> 00:30:48,613
Speaker 3: you get put in a big room and then they

655
00:30:49,293 --> 00:30:51,893
Speaker 3: spin a lottery wheel and then it gets random again,

656
00:30:52,293 --> 00:30:56,733
Speaker 3: and then you get taken into the courtroom and then

657
00:30:56,773 --> 00:31:00,213
Speaker 3: you're randomly sected it again. So randomness is so very important,

658
00:31:00,773 --> 00:31:03,893
Speaker 3: you know, because if it was just all volunteers, and

659
00:31:04,293 --> 00:31:06,973
Speaker 3: that's a specific type of person that's a volunteer, maybe

660
00:31:07,053 --> 00:31:09,933
Speaker 3: they know Mark texting before and said, whoever's on the

661
00:31:10,013 --> 00:31:11,013
Speaker 3: jury he's and he's going.

662
00:31:10,933 --> 00:31:13,573
Speaker 2: To convict Yeah, former cops. So it's just going to

663
00:31:13,573 --> 00:31:13,893
Speaker 2: go hard.

664
00:31:13,933 --> 00:31:15,853
Speaker 3: So you could get people volunteering that just want to

665
00:31:15,853 --> 00:31:20,653
Speaker 3: get revenge on on criminals. Yeah, And the thing about

666
00:31:20,693 --> 00:31:22,933
Speaker 3: the jury service and the justice system is we've got

667
00:31:22,973 --> 00:31:24,573
Speaker 3: to presume innocence.

668
00:31:24,293 --> 00:31:25,893
Speaker 2: Got to compel some people to do it. It is

669
00:31:26,013 --> 00:31:28,653
Speaker 2: sixteen to two. But taking more of your calls on

670
00:31:28,693 --> 00:31:30,933
Speaker 2: I E. One hundred and eighty ten eighty Back in the.

671
00:31:30,893 --> 00:31:35,213
Speaker 1: Month, mad Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on Oh,

672
00:31:35,213 --> 00:31:37,533
Speaker 1: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's mad Heath and

673
00:31:37,573 --> 00:31:41,453
Speaker 1: Tylor Adams afternoons, news talks be good afternoon.

674
00:31:41,493 --> 00:31:44,173
Speaker 2: The government is looking to or an MP is pushing

675
00:31:44,213 --> 00:31:46,173
Speaker 2: through a bill. It's passed its second reading, and it's

676
00:31:46,173 --> 00:31:48,173
Speaker 2: getting a lot of support to change the law to

677
00:31:48,253 --> 00:31:50,933
Speaker 2: require over sixty five year olds to serve on a

678
00:31:51,013 --> 00:31:52,893
Speaker 2: jury if they get the letter. What do you reckon?

679
00:31:52,933 --> 00:31:54,613
Speaker 2: I hade hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number?

680
00:31:54,653 --> 00:31:54,893
Speaker 7: Pete.

681
00:31:54,933 --> 00:31:58,373
Speaker 3: Welcome to the show. Your thoughts on this, you, Charlie.

682
00:31:58,373 --> 00:32:02,053
Speaker 14: I agree because I got called up once. That's going

683
00:32:02,093 --> 00:32:05,253
Speaker 14: back about thirty odd years ago. But I went here,

684
00:32:05,333 --> 00:32:08,893
Speaker 14: did the protocol. That basically what happened iest. I didn't

685
00:32:08,933 --> 00:32:11,093
Speaker 14: know the guys. We get there and then I thought

686
00:32:11,213 --> 00:32:12,573
Speaker 14: they got it, and you're gonna put your hand up

687
00:32:12,613 --> 00:32:14,853
Speaker 14: to you. I met the guy, spake to the very

688
00:32:14,893 --> 00:32:17,293
Speaker 14: briefly in the pub a few times. There's a nice guy,

689
00:32:17,373 --> 00:32:18,893
Speaker 14: so straight away I had to be honest, and that

690
00:32:19,013 --> 00:32:21,413
Speaker 14: was it. I stood down, and you know, I couldn't, didn't, didn't,

691
00:32:21,493 --> 00:32:24,013
Speaker 14: didn't even put me name. That was it. I was dismissed.

692
00:32:24,453 --> 00:32:27,933
Speaker 14: But I reckon, it's a good idea because most people,

693
00:32:28,093 --> 00:32:30,533
Speaker 14: you know, the work I have to shift work and

694
00:32:30,573 --> 00:32:33,493
Speaker 14: stuff and things for younger days, and that's you know,

695
00:32:33,533 --> 00:32:35,853
Speaker 14: it's hard you working in the dairy industry, and that

696
00:32:35,973 --> 00:32:38,813
Speaker 14: your twenty four operations sort of thing, and sometimes you

697
00:32:38,813 --> 00:32:41,133
Speaker 14: don't want to hit the team down. So I think

698
00:32:41,133 --> 00:32:44,653
Speaker 14: it's sixty five. After sixty five, I'm just I'm just

699
00:32:44,893 --> 00:32:48,053
Speaker 14: just retired. So I think it's actually a good idea

700
00:32:48,293 --> 00:32:50,733
Speaker 14: for it, bringing it up to seventy or seventy three,

701
00:32:50,813 --> 00:32:53,573
Speaker 14: whatever they think about doing. Because you got time then,

702
00:32:53,813 --> 00:32:56,733
Speaker 14: so give it bit. Yeah, you can give it. You

703
00:32:56,733 --> 00:32:58,453
Speaker 14: can give a bit more back. You've got the time

704
00:32:58,493 --> 00:33:00,093
Speaker 14: to do it. I think it's a damn good idea.

705
00:33:00,853 --> 00:33:02,733
Speaker 3: Thank you, maybe cool Pete appreciate it?

706
00:33:03,413 --> 00:33:05,213
Speaker 2: Now? How are you?

707
00:33:05,293 --> 00:33:05,493
Speaker 17: Yeah?

708
00:33:05,573 --> 00:33:07,053
Speaker 19: Still bring the last time I checked?

709
00:33:07,653 --> 00:33:08,173
Speaker 2: Good news.

710
00:33:08,373 --> 00:33:11,133
Speaker 3: That's good. We'll keep us updated throughout this call. And

711
00:33:11,613 --> 00:33:13,733
Speaker 3: you know if you stop then we'll send or send

712
00:33:13,773 --> 00:33:14,973
Speaker 3: Tyler around to resustin you.

713
00:33:16,173 --> 00:33:18,853
Speaker 19: It's very kind of you. But I'm Daniel Wellington, so

714
00:33:18,853 --> 00:33:19,733
Speaker 19: it might be a bit part of wall.

715
00:33:19,773 --> 00:33:21,893
Speaker 2: I'd be a liability anyway now, I'd make things worse

716
00:33:21,933 --> 00:33:25,773
Speaker 2: I find someone fair enough.

717
00:33:25,813 --> 00:33:29,813
Speaker 19: No, absolutely definitely have it as a over five a man.

718
00:33:30,173 --> 00:33:32,973
Speaker 19: It's almost like saying you could argueous age of them

719
00:33:33,133 --> 00:33:36,773
Speaker 19: per se, but no, people in over sixty five good

720
00:33:36,773 --> 00:33:38,693
Speaker 19: all their life Kars experienced. But I reckon we should

721
00:33:38,733 --> 00:33:41,093
Speaker 19: take it one step further, give them the option. I've

722
00:33:41,133 --> 00:33:44,133
Speaker 19: actually become professional jurors because I think of it this way.

723
00:33:44,173 --> 00:33:47,173
Speaker 19: You know, a jury is supposed to be a jury

724
00:33:47,213 --> 00:33:49,653
Speaker 19: of your peers. Now you could end up with, you know,

725
00:33:50,013 --> 00:33:53,853
Speaker 19: let's say your own case. Let's say on a and

726
00:33:54,173 --> 00:33:57,693
Speaker 19: a legal thing on accountancy or tax law or something

727
00:33:57,733 --> 00:34:01,293
Speaker 19: for example, and you're you're being judged, and the people

728
00:34:01,293 --> 00:34:04,133
Speaker 19: on the jury as a I don't know, as a gardener,

729
00:34:04,173 --> 00:34:06,893
Speaker 19: who may not know the most intricate details about tax

730
00:34:06,973 --> 00:34:10,453
Speaker 19: law or you could or whatever. So why do I

731
00:34:10,573 --> 00:34:14,093
Speaker 19: have people who are who are over six y five retired,

732
00:34:14,172 --> 00:34:18,093
Speaker 19: who have been in various areas and specialized and worked

733
00:34:18,133 --> 00:34:21,093
Speaker 19: in fields for their entire lives. Want to focus on

734
00:34:21,133 --> 00:34:23,333
Speaker 19: them who really want who would be quite happy to

735
00:34:23,333 --> 00:34:25,933
Speaker 19: be in that still keep the randomness, but have a

736
00:34:25,933 --> 00:34:29,453
Speaker 19: selection of people who are professional who actually understand what

737
00:34:29,733 --> 00:34:32,732
Speaker 19: the case is all about, rather than actually just having

738
00:34:32,773 --> 00:34:35,653
Speaker 19: to have it all explained to you again in graphic detail,

739
00:34:35,653 --> 00:34:37,533
Speaker 19: and you're going to go back and think, oh, it's

740
00:34:37,533 --> 00:34:39,973
Speaker 19: all about hang on, what are we talking about? You know,

741
00:34:40,453 --> 00:34:45,133
Speaker 19: having a jury that really understands the subject matter would

742
00:34:45,133 --> 00:34:49,013
Speaker 19: be a true jury of your peers who actually know

743
00:34:49,053 --> 00:34:49,692
Speaker 19: what's going on.

744
00:34:50,013 --> 00:34:52,173
Speaker 3: Yeah. It's an interesting one though, and I see it

745
00:34:52,173 --> 00:34:54,493
Speaker 3: and I've thought about this a bit. But the problem

746
00:34:54,533 --> 00:34:58,733
Speaker 3: with that is it stops being ordinary people and starts

747
00:34:58,773 --> 00:35:02,333
Speaker 3: becoming the justice system. So these are people part of

748
00:35:02,333 --> 00:35:04,652
Speaker 3: the justice system judging you with the idea of the jury.

749
00:35:04,653 --> 00:35:06,373
Speaker 3: As you get people that are outside of the justice

750
00:35:06,413 --> 00:35:12,133
Speaker 3: system and buy choosing people or deciding which particular citizens

751
00:35:12,253 --> 00:35:15,093
Speaker 3: can be on a jury for whatever reason brings them

752
00:35:15,093 --> 00:35:17,053
Speaker 3: into the justice system. Do you kind of see what

753
00:35:17,093 --> 00:35:22,013
Speaker 3: I'm saying? And you go you sorry, Okay.

754
00:35:21,813 --> 00:35:23,333
Speaker 19: I'm going to say because from my time when I've

755
00:35:23,333 --> 00:35:26,813
Speaker 19: studied law, when you I didn't, never went through with it,

756
00:35:26,893 --> 00:35:30,652
Speaker 19: So I don't like it. But the when you when

757
00:35:30,693 --> 00:35:33,053
Speaker 19: people walk up to the you know, when you're selected,

758
00:35:33,093 --> 00:35:36,973
Speaker 19: there's from the jury room to walk into the into

759
00:35:37,053 --> 00:35:40,933
Speaker 19: the you know, into the courthouse and be selected. Either

760
00:35:41,013 --> 00:35:44,133
Speaker 19: side can can go object, you know, and then you're off.

761
00:35:44,213 --> 00:35:46,893
Speaker 19: You're not in, So it's not truly random because they

762
00:35:46,893 --> 00:35:49,293
Speaker 19: already know bit of your background of those who have

763
00:35:49,373 --> 00:35:52,293
Speaker 19: been selected before you go in. So I mean the

764
00:35:52,373 --> 00:35:55,212
Speaker 19: prosecution may say, yeah, I want now because he's got

765
00:35:55,253 --> 00:36:01,172
Speaker 19: experience in say accountancy, for example, but they will or

766
00:36:01,293 --> 00:36:05,853
Speaker 19: that the opposing side might say. The defense may say, no, ship,

767
00:36:05,893 --> 00:36:07,533
Speaker 19: we don't want that guy in there because he knows

768
00:36:07,573 --> 00:36:10,093
Speaker 19: too much and he that actually lead the jury. So

769
00:36:10,693 --> 00:36:15,413
Speaker 19: it's truly not random anyway, because it is for one

770
00:36:15,453 --> 00:36:20,053
Speaker 19: pointment that you're selected. But either side of the defense

771
00:36:20,293 --> 00:36:23,772
Speaker 19: or the or the other guys go head a moment,

772
00:36:24,373 --> 00:36:28,413
Speaker 19: prosecution or defense ten can challenge you walk it up

773
00:36:28,453 --> 00:36:30,693
Speaker 19: and then sitting in the in the in the twelve

774
00:36:30,773 --> 00:36:31,613
Speaker 19: jury seats.

775
00:36:32,253 --> 00:36:36,013
Speaker 3: Yes, so, but there's a limited amount. So you go

776
00:36:36,093 --> 00:36:39,533
Speaker 3: into the you go into the courtroom and let's say

777
00:36:39,533 --> 00:36:41,133
Speaker 3: this twelve I mean not let's say we know this

778
00:36:41,213 --> 00:36:44,413
Speaker 3: twelve people on the jury, about fifty people come into

779
00:36:44,413 --> 00:36:48,373
Speaker 3: the room and the defense and prosecution lawyers can only

780
00:36:50,253 --> 00:36:53,133
Speaker 3: can only deny whatever the word is. There's there's a

781
00:36:53,253 --> 00:36:56,413
Speaker 3: there's a word for it. That's that's the sloping me. Yeah, yeah,

782
00:36:56,813 --> 00:37:00,732
Speaker 3: I think it's that. It might be four four challenges each.

783
00:37:00,893 --> 00:37:06,053
Speaker 3: Yeah so sore, okay, but yeah, yeah, so it been

784
00:37:06,093 --> 00:37:08,333
Speaker 3: a while. So that does mean now the absolutely right,

785
00:37:08,453 --> 00:37:11,093
Speaker 3: they do heavily. I mean that is that does mean

786
00:37:11,093 --> 00:37:14,533
Speaker 3: that they do shape the shape the jury.

787
00:37:14,733 --> 00:37:17,013
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've never said a look, I've said on the

788
00:37:17,053 --> 00:37:21,453
Speaker 2: other side as a reporter in particular, you know court cases,

789
00:37:21,493 --> 00:37:24,813
Speaker 2: and I've never seen either side of either the defense

790
00:37:24,893 --> 00:37:29,172
Speaker 2: or the prosecution use all of their challenges, usually one

791
00:37:29,333 --> 00:37:32,853
Speaker 2: or two, but they never use them all because I imagine

792
00:37:32,773 --> 00:37:35,653
Speaker 2: that is it's quite a big thing to say challenge.

793
00:37:35,693 --> 00:37:37,413
Speaker 2: I don't want you on the jury to try and

794
00:37:37,573 --> 00:37:40,653
Speaker 2: ensure that you do have a random selection of normal people.

795
00:37:41,693 --> 00:37:44,093
Speaker 2: But it's an interesting idea. Professional juries have been chucked

796
00:37:44,093 --> 00:37:45,373
Speaker 2: around as an idea for a long time.

797
00:37:45,613 --> 00:37:47,893
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I just think that means you're part

798
00:37:47,893 --> 00:37:50,293
Speaker 3: of the justice system, so you know you're going up

799
00:37:50,293 --> 00:37:52,053
Speaker 3: against these people, and you go, I'm just being put

800
00:37:52,173 --> 00:37:55,653
Speaker 3: through the through the system by the system, as opposed

801
00:37:55,693 --> 00:38:00,453
Speaker 3: to the checks and balances of everyday ordinary Kiwis whoever

802
00:38:00,493 --> 00:38:01,933
Speaker 3: they may be judging you. Yeah.

803
00:38:01,933 --> 00:38:05,373
Speaker 2: Interesting, seven to two back very shortly, nine to two

804
00:38:05,453 --> 00:38:05,773
Speaker 2: ninety two.

805
00:38:05,853 --> 00:38:10,333
Speaker 20: Is that text number, Mattie Taylor Adams taking your calls

806
00:38:10,373 --> 00:38:12,413
Speaker 20: on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

807
00:38:12,213 --> 00:38:15,773
Speaker 1: It's mad Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talks, mb.

808
00:38:16,293 --> 00:38:18,333
Speaker 2: US Talks AB It is four to two.

809
00:38:18,613 --> 00:38:20,613
Speaker 3: Well, there's no doubt that some of our smartest and

810
00:38:20,693 --> 00:38:22,773
Speaker 3: fairest people are over sixty five, and we want them

811
00:38:22,773 --> 00:38:25,293
Speaker 3: on juries if we can. And I get that you've

812
00:38:25,293 --> 00:38:27,493
Speaker 3: contributed a lot to society by the time he's sixty five,

813
00:38:27,493 --> 00:38:29,252
Speaker 3: and you might deserve a break. But I also think

814
00:38:29,373 --> 00:38:32,333
Speaker 3: moving the age up to seventy two is a good balance. Look,

815
00:38:32,373 --> 00:38:34,573
Speaker 3: there is no doubt it's getting harder and harder to

816
00:38:34,973 --> 00:38:37,133
Speaker 3: get people to fill juries because who can afford to

817
00:38:37,173 --> 00:38:39,413
Speaker 3: do it? So maybe instead of the age rules, we

818
00:38:39,453 --> 00:38:42,093
Speaker 3: should be looking at the pay increase, the pay, tax

819
00:38:42,133 --> 00:38:44,013
Speaker 3: breaks and people surve I don't know something that stops

820
00:38:44,053 --> 00:38:46,933
Speaker 3: jury service being such a financial ball act. Yeah, good

821
00:38:46,973 --> 00:38:49,733
Speaker 3: wrap up ball ach could be a good thing. Yeah exactly.

822
00:38:49,853 --> 00:38:52,212
Speaker 3: I might also make the jury list random. But then again,

823
00:38:52,373 --> 00:38:54,453
Speaker 3: as we all know, the country's bloody skin, doesn't it.

824
00:38:54,533 --> 00:38:57,013
Speaker 2: Yeah, nicely said, make good discussion, Thank you very much.

825
00:38:57,053 --> 00:39:00,733
Speaker 2: Coming up after two o'clock. So David Beckham says he

826
00:39:00,933 --> 00:39:03,613
Speaker 2: has a soft parenting style. We'll talk about that.

827
00:39:03,693 --> 00:39:09,093
Speaker 1: Next Talking with you all afternoon it's mad Heathen Taylor

828
00:39:09,133 --> 00:39:11,333
Speaker 1: Adams afternoons used.

829
00:39:11,133 --> 00:39:13,333
Speaker 3: Talk Zippy, Get out of you.

830
00:39:13,453 --> 00:39:17,533
Speaker 2: Welcome back into the show. Six past too. Just before

831
00:39:17,573 --> 00:39:20,413
Speaker 2: we get into the next topic, Matt, I saw you

832
00:39:21,173 --> 00:39:23,173
Speaker 2: hobbling a bit as you made your way to the

833
00:39:23,173 --> 00:39:24,733
Speaker 2: bathroom to do what you needed to do.

834
00:39:24,933 --> 00:39:27,373
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, okay, I might actually use once again. I

835
00:39:27,413 --> 00:39:29,213
Speaker 3: get accused of this a lot, using this show for

836
00:39:29,293 --> 00:39:30,172
Speaker 3: my own personal gain.

837
00:39:31,573 --> 00:39:31,692
Speaker 7: Two.

838
00:39:31,853 --> 00:39:34,933
Speaker 3: Yep, there's a real oracle of information. And I know

839
00:39:34,973 --> 00:39:37,013
Speaker 3: we have a lot of medical professionals listening to the show.

840
00:39:37,053 --> 00:39:40,333
Speaker 3: So I'm going to reach out for some advice because

841
00:39:40,453 --> 00:39:43,693
Speaker 3: I went to book my doctor and they said, basically,

842
00:39:43,733 --> 00:39:45,853
Speaker 3: we can see you on the fifteenth of December and

843
00:39:45,933 --> 00:39:48,732
Speaker 3: not before. Right, it's a bit of a wait, very

844
00:39:48,773 --> 00:39:51,692
Speaker 3: busy the medical centers of Auckland doren't they they are?

845
00:39:52,293 --> 00:39:55,493
Speaker 3: So maybe something can help me. So about two weeks ago,

846
00:39:55,493 --> 00:39:58,493
Speaker 3: around a marathon, fine, I mean, one of my nails

847
00:39:58,533 --> 00:40:00,732
Speaker 3: came off my foot. There's a lot of redness under

848
00:40:00,773 --> 00:40:01,292
Speaker 3: each toe.

849
00:40:01,493 --> 00:40:01,692
Speaker 2: Yep.

850
00:40:01,973 --> 00:40:05,652
Speaker 3: But then just yesterday afternoon suddenly it was like my

851
00:40:06,013 --> 00:40:10,693
Speaker 3: big toe on my right foot broke. So suddenly it

852
00:40:10,813 --> 00:40:13,773
Speaker 3: was really incredibly painful and had a big bump, like

853
00:40:13,813 --> 00:40:16,253
Speaker 3: a big bony bump out the side of it.

854
00:40:16,413 --> 00:40:17,573
Speaker 2: Right, So what is that?

855
00:40:17,653 --> 00:40:23,973
Speaker 3: Can your toe spontaneously break without any incident? About twelve

856
00:40:24,053 --> 00:40:24,653
Speaker 3: days after.

857
00:40:24,493 --> 00:40:26,573
Speaker 2: A month of Yeah, during it was just adrenaline pumping

858
00:40:26,573 --> 00:40:30,133
Speaker 2: through your system and it's finally exited, and now you

859
00:40:30,333 --> 00:40:31,533
Speaker 2: realize that you broke your toe.

860
00:40:31,693 --> 00:40:34,253
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I don't know, because it's now so painful

861
00:40:34,253 --> 00:40:36,493
Speaker 3: that it's throbbing. I was trying to sleep last night.

862
00:40:36,493 --> 00:40:38,613
Speaker 3: It was just throbbing and playing like it's just been broken.

863
00:40:38,613 --> 00:40:40,813
Speaker 3: But I haven't dropped anything on it. I haven't stubbed

864
00:40:40,813 --> 00:40:44,172
Speaker 3: my toe or anything. Yea that the nail on it

865
00:40:44,333 --> 00:40:47,133
Speaker 3: is black. So I'm just wondering. Hopefully I'm not going

866
00:40:47,173 --> 00:40:48,973
Speaker 3: to be involved in some kind of Bob Marley incident

867
00:40:48,973 --> 00:40:50,693
Speaker 3: where I die from it.

868
00:40:50,853 --> 00:40:53,333
Speaker 2: Yeah, hopefully they don't have to amputate it.

869
00:40:53,573 --> 00:40:55,773
Speaker 3: So is it a bunion? What's a bunyan?

870
00:40:56,053 --> 00:40:58,133
Speaker 2: So it's a big growth that's on the side of

871
00:40:58,173 --> 00:41:01,093
Speaker 2: your big toe. Yeah, a black nail? Is there bruising

872
00:41:01,133 --> 00:41:02,973
Speaker 2: around this growth?

873
00:41:03,173 --> 00:41:03,373
Speaker 21: Nah?

874
00:41:04,213 --> 00:41:04,973
Speaker 2: Oh oh?

875
00:41:05,333 --> 00:41:05,693
Speaker 3: Gout?

876
00:41:06,013 --> 00:41:09,933
Speaker 2: Gout? What have you been consuming after this marathon? You've

877
00:41:09,973 --> 00:41:12,053
Speaker 2: been eating lots of seafood and drinking lots of boot.

878
00:41:11,933 --> 00:41:17,093
Speaker 3: Is that what gout is? My mate, Jason Hoyt's always

879
00:41:17,093 --> 00:41:18,773
Speaker 3: suffering from gout. But I think that's from eating too

880
00:41:18,853 --> 00:41:19,333
Speaker 3: much cheese.

881
00:41:19,413 --> 00:41:21,533
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's from living the good life too much or

882
00:41:21,733 --> 00:41:24,373
Speaker 2: it might be it might be gout, and so.

883
00:41:24,413 --> 00:41:26,333
Speaker 3: It's a gout, a hard bony growth.

884
00:41:26,693 --> 00:41:28,813
Speaker 2: I don't actually know because I've never suffered from it.

885
00:41:29,213 --> 00:41:31,653
Speaker 2: I mean there's a few people teaxing through. Well, Muzzy's

886
00:41:31,653 --> 00:41:32,172
Speaker 2: cut it off.

887
00:41:32,293 --> 00:41:35,493
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well muzz is a smart man, so right now,

888
00:41:35,533 --> 00:41:37,253
Speaker 3: and as someone else comes up with a better suggestion

889
00:41:37,333 --> 00:41:39,533
Speaker 3: than mrs then I will be cutting it off all right? Okay,

890
00:41:39,613 --> 00:41:40,573
Speaker 3: called gout gout?

891
00:41:40,973 --> 00:41:43,533
Speaker 2: I thought, surely not, because you've been looking after nutrition

892
00:41:43,693 --> 00:41:47,773
Speaker 2: seafood and cheese and fo Yeah, melbick. It's from living

893
00:41:47,773 --> 00:41:49,413
Speaker 2: the good life too much, isn't it. I don't think

894
00:41:49,413 --> 00:41:51,573
Speaker 2: you can just get gout from if you've got good nutrition.

895
00:41:51,773 --> 00:41:52,693
Speaker 3: Well, what's a bunyan?

896
00:41:52,773 --> 00:41:56,413
Speaker 2: Then and Andrew's coming in with a pair of scissors.

897
00:41:56,653 --> 00:41:58,732
Speaker 3: That's a blunt pair of scissors to cut their toe off.

898
00:41:58,813 --> 00:42:00,213
Speaker 3: I'll be hacking at it for a while and need

899
00:42:00,253 --> 00:42:01,333
Speaker 3: you to do that for me, Andrew.

900
00:42:01,453 --> 00:42:04,133
Speaker 2: Oh yes, I'm getting teached now from people listening in

901
00:42:04,333 --> 00:42:06,292
Speaker 2: saying that it could be all sorts of things.

902
00:42:06,453 --> 00:42:07,413
Speaker 3: It's definitely gout.

903
00:42:07,853 --> 00:42:13,093
Speaker 2: Yeah, at you have to keep off the drink. Yeah,

904
00:42:13,093 --> 00:42:14,373
Speaker 2: everyone's sticks in through a gout.

905
00:42:14,413 --> 00:42:17,013
Speaker 3: I mean, this is This is a painful type of arthroat.

906
00:42:17,013 --> 00:42:19,693
Speaker 3: It's caused by a buildup of uric acid in the body,

907
00:42:20,053 --> 00:42:22,773
Speaker 3: which forms sharp crystals in the joints. Oh, it's crystals,

908
00:42:22,773 --> 00:42:23,413
Speaker 3: that's why it's hard.

909
00:42:23,573 --> 00:42:24,573
Speaker 2: What's uric acid is?

910
00:42:24,653 --> 00:42:28,053
Speaker 3: It causes sudden, severe joint pain, swelling and redness, most

911
00:42:28,053 --> 00:42:30,413
Speaker 3: commonly in the big toe. Oh my god, it's gout

912
00:42:30,533 --> 00:42:34,692
Speaker 3: on affecting knees, ankles, wrists, and hands. Untreated gout can

913
00:42:34,733 --> 00:42:39,573
Speaker 3: cause severe long term damage to joints and kidneys. Well,

914
00:42:39,853 --> 00:42:41,693
Speaker 3: where is all this uric acid coming from?

915
00:42:41,813 --> 00:42:42,053
Speaker 9: Mate?

916
00:42:42,613 --> 00:42:43,813
Speaker 2: I thought I thought this was going to be an

917
00:42:43,853 --> 00:42:44,493
Speaker 2: easy fix for you.

918
00:42:44,573 --> 00:42:48,772
Speaker 3: But if it's gout, diet's a lot of red meat.

919
00:42:49,333 --> 00:42:52,133
Speaker 3: Oh you seafood? You do love your mate, coolic bedverges.

920
00:42:52,933 --> 00:42:54,053
Speaker 3: I do eat a lot of red meat.

921
00:42:54,973 --> 00:42:55,413
Speaker 5: Bloody.

922
00:42:55,573 --> 00:42:57,133
Speaker 2: Well, the oracle has soaken again.

923
00:42:57,213 --> 00:42:58,973
Speaker 3: So the scout has popped up in my foot and

924
00:42:58,973 --> 00:43:01,093
Speaker 3: it's got absolutely nothing to do with running a marathon.

925
00:43:01,333 --> 00:43:02,933
Speaker 2: So how do you get rid of gout? Nine two

926
00:43:02,973 --> 00:43:06,212
Speaker 2: ninety two. So we're pretty sure it's scout? Then what's

927
00:43:06,253 --> 00:43:09,053
Speaker 2: the next stage here? Does it just start to fall off?

928
00:43:09,373 --> 00:43:11,333
Speaker 3: I'm just reading what you do about it seems too hard.

929
00:43:11,333 --> 00:43:13,013
Speaker 3: I might just go with Mazer's solution and just cut

930
00:43:13,013 --> 00:43:13,333
Speaker 3: it off.

931
00:43:13,533 --> 00:43:16,333
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's going to be easier, mate, all right, snip, snip, snap,

932
00:43:16,373 --> 00:43:17,333
Speaker 2: but good to get it.

933
00:43:18,213 --> 00:43:20,053
Speaker 3: It's throbbing, throbbing.

934
00:43:20,173 --> 00:43:22,453
Speaker 2: You'll be fine. That one s here is drink lemon juice.

935
00:43:22,693 --> 00:43:25,493
Speaker 2: Man flying through. Now go to A and E. What

936
00:43:26,613 --> 00:43:30,213
Speaker 2: it's fine. Cut it off with the spade.

937
00:43:29,853 --> 00:43:33,413
Speaker 3: Like you did to that cat. Yeah, well we know

938
00:43:33,413 --> 00:43:34,973
Speaker 3: what happened with the cat that jump back to life

939
00:43:34,973 --> 00:43:36,093
Speaker 3: and then I take it to the via.

940
00:43:36,213 --> 00:43:38,853
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly. All right, Well good luck with that mate, gout.

941
00:43:38,933 --> 00:43:41,213
Speaker 2: Of all things, I just like, honestly.

942
00:43:40,973 --> 00:43:43,172
Speaker 3: The amount of time I've spent taking the purse out

943
00:43:43,173 --> 00:43:45,493
Speaker 3: of my mate. Jason Hoyt favn gout. Yeah, this would

944
00:43:45,493 --> 00:43:48,973
Speaker 3: be true. Iron If I've now got got you're one

945
00:43:48,973 --> 00:43:49,293
Speaker 3: of them.

946
00:43:49,373 --> 00:43:52,133
Speaker 2: Well okay, just keep us updated when you finally get

947
00:43:52,133 --> 00:43:53,493
Speaker 2: into the doctors in two weeks time.

948
00:43:53,893 --> 00:43:56,293
Speaker 3: But in the meantime, but I love my seafood in

949
00:43:56,413 --> 00:43:56,893
Speaker 3: red meat.

950
00:43:57,573 --> 00:44:01,693
Speaker 2: Well tough, tough. You've got gout now hey. Now, also

951
00:44:01,933 --> 00:44:04,413
Speaker 2: we've had we've hits just before we.

952
00:44:04,413 --> 00:44:06,732
Speaker 3: Get onto the week picture of gout, I have got gout.

953
00:44:06,933 --> 00:44:10,693
Speaker 2: It is that does suck? I know a lot of

954
00:44:10,693 --> 00:44:12,493
Speaker 2: people with gout, and I think it flares back up?

955
00:44:12,693 --> 00:44:15,173
Speaker 2: Is it true? I don't want to scare your alarm anybody,

956
00:44:15,173 --> 00:44:18,733
Speaker 2: but once you've got gout, it's kind of like you know, syphilis,

957
00:44:18,733 --> 00:44:19,533
Speaker 2: that it never goes away.

958
00:44:20,893 --> 00:44:21,973
Speaker 3: It's not like syphilis, is it?

959
00:44:22,133 --> 00:44:22,293
Speaker 1: Well?

960
00:44:22,333 --> 00:44:25,453
Speaker 2: Well no, no, that was just a poor analogy. But

961
00:44:25,613 --> 00:44:27,453
Speaker 2: effectively it stays for you for life, that it just

962
00:44:27,533 --> 00:44:28,893
Speaker 2: keep keeps faring back up.

963
00:44:29,013 --> 00:44:32,053
Speaker 3: My big toe has been very well behaved, Tyler. How

964
00:44:32,133 --> 00:44:33,853
Speaker 3: dare you all right?

965
00:44:33,933 --> 00:44:34,373
Speaker 2: Made all that?

966
00:44:34,493 --> 00:44:34,652
Speaker 14: You know?

967
00:44:34,693 --> 00:44:37,493
Speaker 2: God speed with that. I'm you know, I'm not gutted

968
00:44:37,493 --> 00:44:39,093
Speaker 2: for you. It's gout. I just thought it would be

969
00:44:39,173 --> 00:44:41,212
Speaker 2: something that would be an easy fix, and it could

970
00:44:41,213 --> 00:44:42,493
Speaker 2: be an easy fix if you cut it off. But

971
00:44:42,653 --> 00:44:44,533
Speaker 2: out of all things, I'm disappointed to hear that.

972
00:44:44,693 --> 00:44:45,773
Speaker 3: Yeah, at least I don't have to go to the

973
00:44:45,813 --> 00:44:47,893
Speaker 3: doctor because sort of.

974
00:44:47,973 --> 00:44:51,933
Speaker 2: Yet and quickly, we've had hundreds and hundreds of texts

975
00:44:51,933 --> 00:44:53,693
Speaker 2: and I I hadn't heard of this young woman, but

976
00:44:53,853 --> 00:44:55,933
Speaker 2: it sounds like she is an awesome New Zealander, so

977
00:44:56,013 --> 00:44:57,373
Speaker 2: we want to give her a shout out. A whole

978
00:44:57,413 --> 00:44:59,733
Speaker 2: bunch of texts giving a shout out and say please

979
00:44:59,773 --> 00:45:02,573
Speaker 2: can you mention her? Her name is Emma Upton and

980
00:45:02,653 --> 00:45:04,773
Speaker 2: I've had a look. So she's running a half marathon

981
00:45:04,853 --> 00:45:09,333
Speaker 2: each day this November for November Great charity, and that

982
00:45:09,413 --> 00:45:12,413
Speaker 2: charity of course raises funds and awareness for men's health issues.

983
00:45:12,453 --> 00:45:15,853
Speaker 2: So she's nineteen, she's from Wellington and she's juggling the

984
00:45:15,893 --> 00:45:19,013
Speaker 2: physical change between her two jobs as a barista and

985
00:45:19,013 --> 00:45:22,933
Speaker 2: patapata umu and as an administration role for a building company.

986
00:45:23,893 --> 00:45:26,173
Speaker 2: And she said in a recent article, November has always

987
00:45:26,173 --> 00:45:29,733
Speaker 2: been really important charity to me, especially for men's mental health.

988
00:45:29,853 --> 00:45:34,732
Speaker 2: So she's doing thirty runs covering six hundred kilometers and

989
00:45:34,813 --> 00:45:37,133
Speaker 2: she said in this article she found the first week

990
00:45:37,213 --> 00:45:39,813
Speaker 2: quite tough. So she's twenty eight days into it now.

991
00:45:39,853 --> 00:45:43,213
Speaker 3: Right, and how can you support this? Emma up?

992
00:45:43,453 --> 00:45:43,773
Speaker 7: What is it?

993
00:45:43,853 --> 00:45:44,173
Speaker 3: Upton?

994
00:45:44,253 --> 00:45:46,733
Speaker 2: Upton? All you gotta do is go to November and

995
00:45:46,773 --> 00:45:50,493
Speaker 2: search for Emma Upton. At the moment, she's raised twenty three,

996
00:45:51,093 --> 00:45:54,613
Speaker 2: nine hundred and fifty bucks. Oh well, incredible, yeah, incredible

997
00:45:54,613 --> 00:45:55,293
Speaker 2: young ki we what.

998
00:45:55,213 --> 00:45:57,013
Speaker 3: A grad Zealand Yeah, so there we get it on her.

999
00:45:57,093 --> 00:45:58,693
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a shout out for Emma Upton.

1000
00:45:58,973 --> 00:46:02,533
Speaker 3: Go you good thing. Right, Let's someone saying that gout's

1001
00:46:02,533 --> 00:46:05,373
Speaker 3: caused by sausages. So it wasn't your bloody sausages, your

1002
00:46:05,373 --> 00:46:07,653
Speaker 3: burnt sausages on the barbecue last weekend, was it, Tyler?

1003
00:46:08,813 --> 00:46:10,293
Speaker 2: I think yeah, because I don't need any of those,

1004
00:46:11,253 --> 00:46:13,413
Speaker 2: and you had a lot you gorged on those. So

1005
00:46:13,453 --> 00:46:16,213
Speaker 2: there's a few people calling up about gout? Uh do

1006
00:46:16,773 --> 00:46:18,172
Speaker 2: we want to take a couple of callers here?

1007
00:46:18,333 --> 00:46:22,773
Speaker 3: Tom, gout? Good? Thank you? Have you got gout?

1008
00:46:23,573 --> 00:46:26,693
Speaker 22: I've had it, yep, And you're absolutely correct. And evidence

1009
00:46:26,773 --> 00:46:30,693
Speaker 22: is first in your big toe on the right hand side. Yeah,

1010
00:46:30,733 --> 00:46:32,413
Speaker 22: and then if you get a real bad case of it,

1011
00:46:32,453 --> 00:46:34,173
Speaker 22: it ends up in your knee.

1012
00:46:34,373 --> 00:46:35,493
Speaker 3: Oh no.

1013
00:46:35,693 --> 00:46:37,413
Speaker 22: The only way to get the only way to get

1014
00:46:37,493 --> 00:46:39,413
Speaker 22: rid of it is to flood your body with it.

1015
00:46:39,493 --> 00:46:42,373
Speaker 22: Your flood your bought your body with about nine liters

1016
00:46:42,413 --> 00:46:43,133
Speaker 22: of water a day.

1017
00:46:43,613 --> 00:46:44,973
Speaker 3: Oh really. You can flush it out.

1018
00:46:45,453 --> 00:46:48,013
Speaker 22: You can flush it out or your rich. You can

1019
00:46:48,053 --> 00:46:49,813
Speaker 22: go down to the you can go down to the

1020
00:46:49,893 --> 00:46:53,053
Speaker 22: chemist and buy some what they call alkalinic water.

1021
00:46:53,533 --> 00:46:55,733
Speaker 3: Alkalinic water, okay, well.

1022
00:46:55,573 --> 00:46:59,093
Speaker 22: Changes which changes your body from being alkali something acidic

1023
00:46:59,213 --> 00:47:00,013
Speaker 22: to alkaline.

1024
00:47:00,093 --> 00:47:01,293
Speaker 2: How much does that cost? Tom?

1025
00:47:01,773 --> 00:47:01,973
Speaker 9: Oh?

1026
00:47:02,093 --> 00:47:04,333
Speaker 22: Mate? It's not cheap. It's about thirty bucks for about

1027
00:47:04,333 --> 00:47:04,893
Speaker 22: three lids.

1028
00:47:05,373 --> 00:47:07,292
Speaker 3: That seems that seems like a cheap price to play

1029
00:47:07,373 --> 00:47:09,732
Speaker 3: to get rid of us big toe.

1030
00:47:09,813 --> 00:47:12,013
Speaker 22: Havn't said that. Once you had a bunch of had

1031
00:47:12,053 --> 00:47:15,172
Speaker 22: it and the knee, that generally goes away, but it

1032
00:47:15,173 --> 00:47:17,173
Speaker 22: comes back into big toe. When it comes back in

1033
00:47:17,213 --> 00:47:19,653
Speaker 22: the big toe, you just got to have some patience

1034
00:47:19,653 --> 00:47:21,253
Speaker 22: and wait for a couple of days, go down the

1035
00:47:21,253 --> 00:47:23,573
Speaker 22: gym to another couple of sessions, and it seems to

1036
00:47:23,653 --> 00:47:24,733
Speaker 22: light itself.

1037
00:47:24,813 --> 00:47:27,573
Speaker 3: Right, Okay, so that we want to work out focuses

1038
00:47:27,573 --> 00:47:28,373
Speaker 3: on your big toe.

1039
00:47:30,453 --> 00:47:33,453
Speaker 22: It's apparently. I asked the doctor that and he said

1040
00:47:33,453 --> 00:47:36,653
Speaker 22: that's it's the area where there's the least there's the

1041
00:47:36,733 --> 00:47:37,853
Speaker 22: least movement of blood.

1042
00:47:38,253 --> 00:47:38,453
Speaker 21: Ah.

1043
00:47:38,613 --> 00:47:39,692
Speaker 3: Right, that kind of makes sense.

1044
00:47:40,813 --> 00:47:43,093
Speaker 22: And that's why it harves itself down in your big toe.

1045
00:47:43,533 --> 00:47:45,533
Speaker 3: Did when you when you got gout, did it? Did

1046
00:47:45,573 --> 00:47:51,133
Speaker 3: your toenail underneath your toe go red like bleeding?

1047
00:47:51,853 --> 00:47:54,333
Speaker 22: No? No, I got none of that. I was really lucky. Yeah,

1048
00:47:54,573 --> 00:47:57,133
Speaker 22: he said to me, he said to me, stay after

1049
00:47:57,333 --> 00:48:00,733
Speaker 22: stay after beer for a while. I said forever, and

1050
00:48:00,773 --> 00:48:02,732
Speaker 22: he goes, no, they're not forever, just for we while

1051
00:48:03,733 --> 00:48:06,333
Speaker 22: and when it comes right. But your body's an amazing thing.

1052
00:48:06,413 --> 00:48:09,652
Speaker 22: Hey nine had a tense things to go wrong with

1053
00:48:09,693 --> 00:48:12,253
Speaker 22: that if you just wait for a couple of days

1054
00:48:12,693 --> 00:48:13,253
Speaker 22: like yourself.

1055
00:48:13,373 --> 00:48:17,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, isn't it. Yeah, we don't travel at our self

1056
00:48:17,173 --> 00:48:18,692
Speaker 3: healing as much as we should.

1057
00:48:19,053 --> 00:48:19,413
Speaker 22: So does it?

1058
00:48:19,933 --> 00:48:23,973
Speaker 2: Does it stay with you for life? Thomas is changed.

1059
00:48:24,493 --> 00:48:26,733
Speaker 22: Yeah, I haven't had it now. I haven't had it

1060
00:48:26,773 --> 00:48:30,733
Speaker 22: now for about five years. I'm sixty nine. So so

1061
00:48:30,853 --> 00:48:32,413
Speaker 22: the doc says, oh, we must have we must have

1062
00:48:32,493 --> 00:48:33,292
Speaker 22: knocked it on the head.

1063
00:48:33,733 --> 00:48:35,573
Speaker 3: Well, this can use Tom, thanks for sharing.

1064
00:48:35,613 --> 00:48:36,373
Speaker 2: That is positive.

1065
00:48:36,533 --> 00:48:38,493
Speaker 3: Neville. You reckon much to get to the doctor.

1066
00:48:40,453 --> 00:48:48,692
Speaker 6: Definitely, so it's herreditary. You will only get it if

1067
00:48:48,813 --> 00:48:52,093
Speaker 6: you have got someone in your family that gets scout.

1068
00:48:53,373 --> 00:48:57,533
Speaker 6: You go to the doctor, get an X ray, and

1069
00:48:57,573 --> 00:49:02,413
Speaker 6: you will see the crystals look like shads of glass

1070
00:49:02,453 --> 00:49:08,013
Speaker 6: inside the joint intense. So you're running. We'll have probably

1071
00:49:08,053 --> 00:49:12,773
Speaker 6: egged revated to joint. Nothing with the black toenail. It's

1072
00:49:12,813 --> 00:49:14,773
Speaker 6: something separate obviously.

1073
00:49:14,413 --> 00:49:22,373
Speaker 3: Oh god, running, Well, we'll worry about the bowler necks.

1074
00:49:22,373 --> 00:49:23,812
Speaker 3: We'll just deal with the gout first.

1075
00:49:23,893 --> 00:49:24,013
Speaker 7: Nip.

1076
00:49:24,653 --> 00:49:27,613
Speaker 2: I'm taking a time, yeah exactly.

1077
00:49:28,013 --> 00:49:34,053
Speaker 6: So Yeah, my mother had gout when she got it,

1078
00:49:34,213 --> 00:49:36,253
Speaker 6: but she died at one hundred and three, so it

1079
00:49:36,293 --> 00:49:41,373
Speaker 6: won't shorten your life unless you don't look after it. So, yeah,

1080
00:49:41,413 --> 00:49:44,773
Speaker 6: too much red meat, but all sorts of anything. The

1081
00:49:44,893 --> 00:49:46,493
Speaker 6: time is the effort.

1082
00:49:48,693 --> 00:49:49,732
Speaker 3: Is cheese a big part of it.

1083
00:49:51,213 --> 00:49:55,212
Speaker 6: I've never had problem a lot of m cheese, never

1084
00:49:55,293 --> 00:49:58,773
Speaker 6: had a problem. I don't know about blue vein. That

1085
00:49:58,853 --> 00:50:04,533
Speaker 6: might be a bit different. Red meat is meant to fish.

1086
00:50:04,733 --> 00:50:08,933
Speaker 6: Can if I eat too much fish, but definitely please.

1087
00:50:09,013 --> 00:50:11,453
Speaker 6: Shellfish for me is a bad one.

1088
00:50:12,013 --> 00:50:14,813
Speaker 3: Yeah. I heard a bit about seafood and gather tomatoes.

1089
00:50:15,613 --> 00:50:19,973
Speaker 6: Never really noticed with tomatoes. Everyone's different. So you've got

1090
00:50:19,973 --> 00:50:21,533
Speaker 6: to find out what sets it off for you?

1091
00:50:22,173 --> 00:50:25,172
Speaker 3: And can they do they? Do they shave it off

1092
00:50:25,173 --> 00:50:26,413
Speaker 3: if you go to the doctor or does it just

1093
00:50:26,413 --> 00:50:28,333
Speaker 3: go away with the dietary change.

1094
00:50:29,413 --> 00:50:33,973
Speaker 6: No, I'll give you a tablet and it gets rid

1095
00:50:34,013 --> 00:50:38,253
Speaker 6: of it. But I'm I'm permanently on alipur and ole,

1096
00:50:40,213 --> 00:50:42,172
Speaker 6: so I don't have any problems.

1097
00:50:41,853 --> 00:50:45,333
Speaker 3: At all all right, So so yours is yours is gone?

1098
00:50:47,213 --> 00:50:49,893
Speaker 6: Well, A lots to stay on the ala puranole and

1099
00:50:50,053 --> 00:50:52,733
Speaker 6: this and the dosa is sufficient?

1100
00:50:54,573 --> 00:50:55,933
Speaker 3: Do you have to get? Do you have to get

1101
00:50:55,973 --> 00:50:58,333
Speaker 3: a prescription to get alperan or can I just head

1102
00:50:58,413 --> 00:51:03,053
Speaker 3: head into the chemist and get it. Yeah you good

1103
00:51:03,133 --> 00:51:06,013
Speaker 3: luck getting a bloody doctor's appointment and Auckland at the moment. Mate.

1104
00:51:06,013 --> 00:51:07,973
Speaker 3: But yeah, hey, thank you so much for your call.

1105
00:51:09,613 --> 00:51:13,693
Speaker 6: From lots of other things first waving the doctor's appointment.

1106
00:51:14,733 --> 00:51:18,173
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Neville, thank you very much for those tips. Well,

1107
00:51:18,453 --> 00:51:20,293
Speaker 2: I mean, not thank you for me, but thank you

1108
00:51:20,333 --> 00:51:22,053
Speaker 2: for yourself if you. I mean, there's plenty of people

1109
00:51:22,053 --> 00:51:23,493
Speaker 2: that want to help you out with their gout. And

1110
00:51:23,533 --> 00:51:25,613
Speaker 2: I've just seen there's a text that's come through. There's

1111
00:51:25,653 --> 00:51:30,573
Speaker 2: a gout helpline. I'll give you that, Nicky. There is

1112
00:51:30,613 --> 00:51:33,013
Speaker 2: a Yeah, there's someone sticks through. There's an eight hundred

1113
00:51:33,053 --> 00:51:35,573
Speaker 2: number if you've got gout and they can help you out. Maybe.

1114
00:51:35,693 --> 00:51:38,853
Speaker 3: So how should we just talk to Is this time

1115
00:51:38,893 --> 00:51:40,773
Speaker 3: up done? Is it your daughter that's doing all this running?

1116
00:51:40,813 --> 00:51:42,453
Speaker 9: Tim it is?

1117
00:51:42,893 --> 00:51:43,533
Speaker 10: How are you guys?

1118
00:51:43,853 --> 00:51:46,933
Speaker 3: Yeah, we've been sidetracked by gout here, but we're briefly

1119
00:51:46,933 --> 00:51:48,893
Speaker 3: talking about your daughter. Can you tell her what she's

1120
00:51:49,053 --> 00:51:49,973
Speaker 3: tell us what she's up to?

1121
00:51:51,053 --> 00:51:53,493
Speaker 15: Yeah, yeah, so thanks thanks for giving her a shout out.

1122
00:51:53,533 --> 00:51:55,893
Speaker 12: It's awesome the profile you read.

1123
00:51:55,733 --> 00:51:58,533
Speaker 9: Out was last years, so she's she's stepped it up

1124
00:51:58,573 --> 00:51:59,053
Speaker 9: this year.

1125
00:51:59,613 --> 00:52:00,413
Speaker 12: Is running for more.

1126
00:52:01,133 --> 00:52:02,533
Speaker 15: She's running from Auckland to Wellington.

1127
00:52:02,653 --> 00:52:02,853
Speaker 10: Yeah.

1128
00:52:03,133 --> 00:52:07,652
Speaker 23: Well yeah, so she's into eighth day now with.

1129
00:52:07,773 --> 00:52:08,333
Speaker 6: A ninth day.

1130
00:52:08,373 --> 00:52:09,172
Speaker 15: Oh, I can't keep track.

1131
00:52:09,293 --> 00:52:12,813
Speaker 7: We're about to see we've just gone through Foxton.

1132
00:52:13,493 --> 00:52:17,133
Speaker 15: So today she's run forty three kow. She's got another

1133
00:52:17,613 --> 00:52:21,773
Speaker 15: another twelve to do Tillivan and.

1134
00:52:21,733 --> 00:52:23,333
Speaker 10: Then another another one hundred in the.

1135
00:52:23,373 --> 00:52:24,493
Speaker 14: Next two days.

1136
00:52:26,013 --> 00:52:26,252
Speaker 10: Yeah.

1137
00:52:26,373 --> 00:52:28,733
Speaker 15: So she's doing an awesome job. So running from Auckland

1138
00:52:28,773 --> 00:52:31,173
Speaker 15: to Wellington and teen days essentially.

1139
00:52:30,933 --> 00:52:32,573
Speaker 3: Wow, And so she's got to get it done before

1140
00:52:32,613 --> 00:52:35,293
Speaker 3: the end of the month basically. That's yeah, yeah, yeah,

1141
00:52:35,373 --> 00:52:38,772
Speaker 3: And you are you supporting? Are you support staff? Tim?

1142
00:52:39,773 --> 00:52:42,373
Speaker 15: I've been driving down the country at seven kilometers now

1143
00:52:42,413 --> 00:52:43,493
Speaker 15: for the last nine.

1144
00:52:43,373 --> 00:52:50,453
Speaker 3: Days, and I mean people should people should be sponsoring

1145
00:52:50,493 --> 00:52:52,493
Speaker 3: you as well for that. I mean that's got a

1146
00:52:53,093 --> 00:52:54,093
Speaker 3: that's got a for it as well.

1147
00:52:55,093 --> 00:52:55,173
Speaker 10: Well.

1148
00:52:55,253 --> 00:52:57,453
Speaker 15: Yeah, I'm putting a few updates on Instagram myself, so

1149
00:52:57,493 --> 00:52:59,373
Speaker 15: I think I'm going to resign and just becoming a scrammer.

1150
00:52:59,653 --> 00:53:02,213
Speaker 3: So yeah, where can we Where can we? Where can

1151
00:53:02,293 --> 00:53:03,573
Speaker 3: we follow that? Tim?

1152
00:53:04,373 --> 00:53:08,133
Speaker 23: You can find Emma, Emma Upton and I'm doing daily

1153
00:53:08,213 --> 00:53:10,652
Speaker 23: up so it's at up to thirty three.

1154
00:53:10,813 --> 00:53:11,773
Speaker 2: And that's on Instagram.

1155
00:53:11,853 --> 00:53:13,693
Speaker 23: Is it on Instagram?

1156
00:53:13,773 --> 00:53:13,973
Speaker 10: Yeah?

1157
00:53:14,093 --> 00:53:17,373
Speaker 15: And if you go into the November website you find

1158
00:53:17,453 --> 00:53:20,413
Speaker 15: m erupted there if anyone wants to donate.

1159
00:53:20,373 --> 00:53:22,813
Speaker 3: Right, so this is the money's going to November. So

1160
00:53:22,853 --> 00:53:25,133
Speaker 3: the good on here. So yeah, she's she's focused on

1161
00:53:25,213 --> 00:53:26,533
Speaker 3: mean's mental health, which.

1162
00:53:26,333 --> 00:53:30,013
Speaker 15: Is which is so she's so yeah for a male

1163
00:53:30,093 --> 00:53:33,853
Speaker 15: dominated sort of cause she's she's doing it for us guys.

1164
00:53:33,573 --> 00:53:37,172
Speaker 3: You know, so Lissa, it's good.

1165
00:53:37,213 --> 00:53:38,413
Speaker 6: I mean, yeah, we've we've.

1166
00:53:38,253 --> 00:53:40,333
Speaker 15: Had a few my brothers took his own life and

1167
00:53:40,413 --> 00:53:43,973
Speaker 15: she said, friends that have struggled. So she's doing it

1168
00:53:43,973 --> 00:53:47,093
Speaker 15: for us. So what she's going through is I couldn't

1169
00:53:47,093 --> 00:53:49,613
Speaker 15: be proud of you know. Yeah, it's something which is

1170
00:53:49,653 --> 00:53:50,053
Speaker 15: really cool.

1171
00:53:50,333 --> 00:53:52,493
Speaker 3: That's awesome. But also what a great dare to be

1172
00:53:52,533 --> 00:53:55,133
Speaker 3: supporting her on it as well, So you're both awesome.

1173
00:53:55,973 --> 00:53:56,732
Speaker 9: Thank you very much.

1174
00:53:56,933 --> 00:53:59,172
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she's got a lot of supporters out there.

1175
00:53:59,173 --> 00:54:02,533
Speaker 2: Obviously you're you're the number one term. But we've had

1176
00:54:02,573 --> 00:54:05,093
Speaker 2: so many, so many takes come through, which is awesome.

1177
00:54:05,933 --> 00:54:07,053
Speaker 12: Oh co hey, can I.

1178
00:54:07,013 --> 00:54:07,692
Speaker 6: Give a shout out?

1179
00:54:07,733 --> 00:54:12,533
Speaker 23: I know I started adversement, but JJ Gardner have been amazing.

1180
00:54:12,573 --> 00:54:14,053
Speaker 12: It probably wouldn't be happening.

1181
00:54:13,853 --> 00:54:14,333
Speaker 15: Without the end.

1182
00:54:14,373 --> 00:54:17,653
Speaker 23: They paid for a camper for us, and they've.

1183
00:54:17,453 --> 00:54:20,933
Speaker 15: Been all the branches have been sponsoring. And three of

1184
00:54:20,973 --> 00:54:22,413
Speaker 15: the guys in the man or were two branch have

1185
00:54:22,493 --> 00:54:24,613
Speaker 15: just set their own little personal best. One runs thirty

1186
00:54:24,613 --> 00:54:28,933
Speaker 15: five k, another runs twenty five and then there's another.

1187
00:54:28,693 --> 00:54:30,013
Speaker 14: Guy out there running with Zema.

1188
00:54:29,853 --> 00:54:31,613
Speaker 15: At the moment who's just coming up to twenty k.

1189
00:54:31,733 --> 00:54:35,692
Speaker 15: So yeah, everyone's everyone's helping her along, and I think

1190
00:54:35,773 --> 00:54:36,733
Speaker 15: she's helping them along.

1191
00:54:36,773 --> 00:54:39,133
Speaker 2: So yeah, fantastic.

1192
00:54:39,173 --> 00:54:41,333
Speaker 3: Yeah, well thanks for ringing all the best out there. Yeah,

1193
00:54:41,333 --> 00:54:44,133
Speaker 3: the road at seven k following your daughter running along impressive.

1194
00:54:44,213 --> 00:54:46,653
Speaker 2: Emma Upton. Just go to November and see Gemma Upton

1195
00:54:46,733 --> 00:54:48,573
Speaker 2: if you want to chuck her some cash. She's doing

1196
00:54:48,653 --> 00:54:51,373
Speaker 2: very well. Twenty three thousand dollars raised so far. What

1197
00:54:51,413 --> 00:54:53,133
Speaker 2: a great key. We twenty two pass two back in

1198
00:54:53,173 --> 00:54:53,573
Speaker 2: the mow.

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00:54:54,933 --> 00:54:59,133
Speaker 1: Your home of afternoon talk mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons

1200
00:54:59,333 --> 00:55:02,413
Speaker 1: call Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth talks'd be.

1201
00:55:03,613 --> 00:55:05,573
Speaker 2: Twenty five past two. So many texts have come through

1202
00:55:05,613 --> 00:55:06,533
Speaker 2: about gout.

1203
00:55:07,253 --> 00:55:09,893
Speaker 3: For an immediate pain relief. Take seventy five milligrams of

1204
00:55:09,933 --> 00:55:13,253
Speaker 3: volta in every twelve hours to tackle information until you

1205
00:55:13,533 --> 00:55:15,813
Speaker 3: get your diet under control. Thank you so much. Look,

1206
00:55:15,893 --> 00:55:18,613
Speaker 3: thank you for all these caring people that have a

1207
00:55:18,933 --> 00:55:21,893
Speaker 3: diagnosed me with gout. YEP and I one hundre percent

1208
00:55:21,933 --> 00:55:23,613
Speaker 3: believe nine two nine ten. It's the high mind.

1209
00:55:23,773 --> 00:55:24,533
Speaker 2: It's never been wrong.

1210
00:55:24,693 --> 00:55:28,093
Speaker 3: Very intelligent listeners, but also for your kind words and

1211
00:55:28,093 --> 00:55:31,053
Speaker 3: suggestions to fix it. Cherry juice from eating orches fixers

1212
00:55:31,093 --> 00:55:33,853
Speaker 3: gouts and keeps it away. Brilliant stuff. It's nice, specifically

1213
00:55:33,853 --> 00:55:38,172
Speaker 3: from eating orchards. I reckon, go get some cherry juice.

1214
00:55:39,373 --> 00:55:41,933
Speaker 3: Eating rich food not great, shellfish not great. Too much

1215
00:55:41,973 --> 00:55:47,853
Speaker 3: acid in the body. Treated, you will be fine. Ala paranole,

1216
00:55:48,093 --> 00:55:51,053
Speaker 3: thirtymil encounters and prescription. Oh yeah, here's a good idea.

1217
00:55:51,093 --> 00:55:54,733
Speaker 3: Get a video, get a video from you know, consultation

1218
00:55:54,813 --> 00:55:59,453
Speaker 3: with the doctor. And this person says, slam celery tabs

1219
00:56:00,133 --> 00:56:01,013
Speaker 3: until you fall over.

1220
00:56:01,253 --> 00:56:01,933
Speaker 2: Salary tab.

1221
00:56:02,253 --> 00:56:03,212
Speaker 3: What's a celery tab.

1222
00:56:03,853 --> 00:56:06,813
Speaker 2: I've got no idea. I've never heard of it. Celery tab. Well,

1223
00:56:07,093 --> 00:56:09,533
Speaker 2: there's condensed celery and little tab that you're popping your mouth.

1224
00:56:09,573 --> 00:56:11,173
Speaker 3: You've gotta be careful with some kinds of tabs.

1225
00:56:11,453 --> 00:56:13,773
Speaker 2: You certainly do, all right, All right, well there's some

1226
00:56:13,813 --> 00:56:14,973
Speaker 2: good advice of good luck with that.

1227
00:56:15,013 --> 00:56:15,172
Speaker 9: Mate.

1228
00:56:15,213 --> 00:56:16,893
Speaker 2: You've got a few things to work on on the weekend.

1229
00:56:16,933 --> 00:56:18,893
Speaker 3: And this is the number for gout is eight hundred

1230
00:56:18,933 --> 00:56:20,053
Speaker 3: knock shop. That can't be right.

1231
00:56:20,133 --> 00:56:22,173
Speaker 2: No, don't ring that one or baby do you know?

1232
00:56:22,213 --> 00:56:24,093
Speaker 2: It's up to you. All right, we're going to take

1233
00:56:24,133 --> 00:56:26,973
Speaker 2: some place of messages, but when we come back, we

1234
00:56:27,013 --> 00:56:29,293
Speaker 2: want to a chat about soft parentine.

1235
00:56:29,333 --> 00:56:36,333
Speaker 20: Standby Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons.

1236
00:56:36,333 --> 00:56:39,373
Speaker 3: Call Oh, eight hundred eighty eight on us Talk ZV.

1237
00:56:40,213 --> 00:56:43,212
Speaker 2: Excuse me, twenty nine pasts two. You're getting the foot

1238
00:56:43,253 --> 00:56:45,893
Speaker 2: out met. You've taken some photos for the doctor. Yeah, yeah,

1239
00:56:45,933 --> 00:56:46,533
Speaker 2: fair enough too.

1240
00:56:46,613 --> 00:56:49,093
Speaker 3: It's worried, yeah, scientific it through and said if you're

1241
00:56:49,093 --> 00:56:51,213
Speaker 3: in southern christ you can get a quick consultation. So

1242
00:56:51,253 --> 00:56:53,293
Speaker 3: I'm just going to quickly take it. I got my

1243
00:56:53,293 --> 00:56:55,732
Speaker 3: foot out, but let's put gout to be it. I think, yeah,

1244
00:56:55,773 --> 00:56:57,533
Speaker 3: there's both got to be you do what you need

1245
00:56:57,573 --> 00:57:00,893
Speaker 3: to do. Highly corrupt me, hijacking this radio show just

1246
00:57:00,893 --> 00:57:03,453
Speaker 3: from my own humiliating medical needs.

1247
00:57:03,253 --> 00:57:05,533
Speaker 2: To get well hopefully it's sort of out. There's a

1248
00:57:05,533 --> 00:57:07,253
Speaker 2: lot of you. You take that photo while I just

1249
00:57:07,293 --> 00:57:09,813
Speaker 2: pitch this on my Oh god, I don't need to

1250
00:57:09,853 --> 00:57:13,893
Speaker 2: see that. But oh geez, that's a massive bunyon.

1251
00:57:14,493 --> 00:57:15,293
Speaker 3: It's not a bunyan.

1252
00:57:16,773 --> 00:57:19,933
Speaker 2: It's a lot of crystals that are formed. Yeah, yeah, yeah, anyway,

1253
00:57:20,333 --> 00:57:21,733
Speaker 2: send that to the doctor. But we'll put that one

1254
00:57:21,813 --> 00:57:23,493
Speaker 2: to bed. Listening back to what we were going to

1255
00:57:23,493 --> 00:57:25,053
Speaker 2: talk about, so let's have a chat about this. An

1256
00:57:25,093 --> 00:57:28,133
Speaker 2: interesting quote from Sir David Beckham. Now he's revealed that

1257
00:57:28,173 --> 00:57:30,733
Speaker 2: he's had a softer parenting style than his dad had,

1258
00:57:30,733 --> 00:57:33,253
Speaker 2: so he opened up about his approach to fatherhood in

1259
00:57:33,293 --> 00:57:36,813
Speaker 2: a recent podcast. But if you saw the Beckham documentary

1260
00:57:36,813 --> 00:57:38,933
Speaker 2: that came out about eighteen months ago, you'd see that

1261
00:57:38,973 --> 00:57:42,293
Speaker 2: his dad was pretty tough on young David. There was

1262
00:57:42,333 --> 00:57:45,813
Speaker 2: one scene with Beckham's mother, Sandra. She struggled with how

1263
00:57:45,813 --> 00:57:49,093
Speaker 2: hard his father, Ted was on David. Ted shouting off

1264
00:57:49,093 --> 00:57:51,213
Speaker 2: and brought David to tears. And when asked of you

1265
00:57:51,333 --> 00:57:54,253
Speaker 2: was too tough, Ted said no. I told him if

1266
00:57:54,293 --> 00:57:56,333
Speaker 2: I told him how good he was, then he's got

1267
00:57:56,373 --> 00:58:00,213
Speaker 2: nothing to work at. So when it came to David Beckham, himself,

1268
00:58:00,253 --> 00:58:02,773
Speaker 2: he said. When it comes to his boys, and some

1269
00:58:02,853 --> 00:58:05,893
Speaker 2: of them did spend some time playing football at the

1270
00:58:05,973 --> 00:58:09,573
Speaker 2: Arsenal Academy, he said, instead of you, I go quiet,

1271
00:58:09,973 --> 00:58:12,133
Speaker 2: and then the boys know exactly whether I'm happy or

1272
00:58:12,173 --> 00:58:16,173
Speaker 2: not happy. But we're a family of love, support and praise.

1273
00:58:16,693 --> 00:58:21,093
Speaker 3: Right, So you know, do you are you too soft

1274
00:58:21,133 --> 00:58:21,613
Speaker 3: on your kids?

1275
00:58:22,613 --> 00:58:22,693
Speaker 10: Oh?

1276
00:58:22,773 --> 00:58:25,373
Speaker 3: One hundred and eighty ten eighty Is that a problem?

1277
00:58:25,893 --> 00:58:29,453
Speaker 3: You know you're trying to make I guess it depends

1278
00:58:29,453 --> 00:58:32,893
Speaker 3: you're trying to make super kids like David Beckham who

1279
00:58:32,933 --> 00:58:37,053
Speaker 3: goes on to do incredible things. But he seemed quite

1280
00:58:37,053 --> 00:58:37,933
Speaker 3: happy as well, doesn't he.

1281
00:58:38,293 --> 00:58:40,333
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there was certain I mean he mentioned

1282
00:58:40,373 --> 00:58:43,213
Speaker 2: some really good attributes of his dad when it came

1283
00:58:43,253 --> 00:58:45,893
Speaker 2: to the family life, and he's certainly a good footballer.

1284
00:58:45,933 --> 00:58:48,973
Speaker 2: But when it came to his football playing, his dad

1285
00:58:49,013 --> 00:58:51,053
Speaker 2: didn't muck around. There was no praise there in a

1286
00:58:51,093 --> 00:58:53,773
Speaker 2: working class family. He didn't want David to get too

1287
00:58:53,773 --> 00:58:56,013
Speaker 2: big of a hit, but clearly they had an impact

1288
00:58:56,013 --> 00:58:56,773
Speaker 2: on a young David.

1289
00:58:57,133 --> 00:58:59,533
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm worried that I'm too soft on my kids.

1290
00:59:00,253 --> 00:59:06,773
Speaker 3: And you know, we talk about the precipitation, participation, trophy culture,

1291
00:59:06,813 --> 00:59:10,093
Speaker 3: that's out there. Everyone's told that they're amazing and then

1292
00:59:10,133 --> 00:59:12,173
Speaker 3: they hit the real world and they discover that they're not,

1293
00:59:12,253 --> 00:59:16,253
Speaker 3: and it's a rude shock. So you know, how different

1294
00:59:16,373 --> 00:59:20,653
Speaker 3: is your parenting from your parents parenting? And how soft

1295
00:59:20,693 --> 00:59:22,293
Speaker 3: should you go on your kids? And how hard should

1296
00:59:22,293 --> 00:59:23,853
Speaker 3: you go on your kids? One hundred eighteen eighty has

1297
00:59:23,813 --> 00:59:25,453
Speaker 3: have a chat about that and put the gut to bed.

1298
00:59:25,333 --> 00:59:28,893
Speaker 2: Yep nineteen ninety two is the text. Headlines with railing.

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Speaker 2: Then we are taking your calls. You're listening to Matt

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Speaker 2: and Tyler. Hope you having a great afternoon.

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Speaker 3: Back very surely.

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Speaker 17: You talk said be headlines with blue bubble taxes, it's

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Speaker 17: no trouble with a blue bubble. Police say they've made

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Speaker 17: a breakthrough cracking down on a transnational crime syndicate allegedly

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Speaker 17: smuggling drugs through Auckland Airport. This week, police arrested the

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Speaker 17: president in seven members of the twenty eight Brotherhood MC gang.

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Speaker 17: A call for banks to pass on interest rate cuts

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Speaker 17: to their customers in the wake of the latest reduction

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Speaker 17: in the ocr Finance Minister Nikola Willis says they should

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Speaker 17: be slashed as much as possible. Meanwhile, moder at the

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Speaker 17: house price rises could become the new normal. The Reserve

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Speaker 17: banks projecting house prices will rise steadily in line with

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Speaker 17: incomes over the next few years. David Seymour's confident his

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Speaker 17: Ministry for Regulations paying itself off and providing value for

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Speaker 17: kiwi's early analysis shows the return on investment reaching between

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Speaker 17: eleven to seventeen dollars for every dollar spent on the ministry.

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Speaker 17: In more than one hundred and fifty four thousand students

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Speaker 17: have officially wrapped up their NCEEA and scholarship exams. What's

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Speaker 17: missing from the government's regional council plans. See the full

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Speaker 17: column at ends in Herald Premium. Back now to Matt

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Speaker 17: Eathan Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Raylan. So we are talking about

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Speaker 2: the idea of soft parenting. It was after Sir David

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Speaker 2: Beckham in a recent podcast said he's a lot softer

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Speaker 2: when it comes to his parenting style than his dad

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Speaker 2: was when it came to him. Clearly, his father was

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Speaker 2: pretty tough on David when it came to his football career,

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Speaker 2: not giving out that much praise. The quote was from

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Speaker 2: him in a recent documentary when he was asked was

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Speaker 2: he too tough on David. He said no, if I

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Speaker 2: told him how good he was, then he's got nothing

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Speaker 2: to work at. And that clearly had an impact on

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Speaker 2: a young David and actually an adult David as well.

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Speaker 2: But the idea of soft parenting, So the definition of

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Speaker 2: soft parenting is approach that prioritizers but that out tyler

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Speaker 2: emotional connection, respect and positive discipline over punishment and yelling.

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Speaker 3: Well, can't you do both? Can't you be? Can't you

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Speaker 3: be hard but loving? So I have firm expectations, but

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Speaker 3: be loving. But yeah, how hard should you go on

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Speaker 3: your kids? It's being soft actually hurting them? Interestingly enough,

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Speaker 3: David Beckham here, he's being very soft on his son,

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Speaker 3: and his son's not talking to him exactly. So Beca's

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Speaker 3: dad's been very hard on him. David Beckham and his

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Speaker 3: dad have a great relationship.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a fair point. Oh eight hundred and eighty

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Speaker 2: ten eighty is that number to call?

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Speaker 3: Joy? How are you this afternoon?

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Speaker 19: Hi?

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Speaker 7: Does?

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Speaker 3: How are you gird your thoughts on softer parenting?

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Speaker 10: Well?

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Speaker 24: I think David Becka, you know, his father did a

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Speaker 24: very good job with him, pushed him and pushed him

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Speaker 24: because David was a very average footballer, like very average

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Speaker 24: when he was sort of thirteen fourteen. But he his

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Speaker 24: father made him train and train and train and train

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Speaker 24: and train.

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Speaker 22: He was hard.

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Speaker 24: It wasn't for his father, he wouldn't be where he was,

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Speaker 24: all right, you know, he he just he just worked

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Speaker 24: hard that his father was pushed and pushed. Now the

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Speaker 24: thing is David hasn't done that with his kids. So

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Speaker 24: his second oldest son, Romeo, so you're talking about he

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Speaker 24: played for Arsenal when he went't called Frank Bob very

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Speaker 24: average player, very average, but David built him up well.

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Speaker 3: Well I mean, I mean, I mean average. But to

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Speaker 3: even get to that level, he has to be pretty

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Speaker 3: spectacul do you think there was mainly.

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Speaker 24: Jeans so you know, so you know David got him

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Speaker 24: in there, blah blah blah. And David just wasn't hard enough.

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Speaker 2: He didn't make it.

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Speaker 10: He didn't make.

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Speaker 24: Romeo train harder. I believed he was good.

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Speaker 9: He wasn't.

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Speaker 24: And the thing is that you know, I've got kids

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Speaker 24: where you've got you've got to give them a you

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Speaker 24: can't give them a full sense of security. So you know,

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Speaker 24: you've got some parents and I just can't stand my John,

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Speaker 24: he doesn't get in third team. I just said he

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Speaker 24: no now, no love. And they're like, oh, what's that rough?

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Speaker 24: But you know, you've got you've got to be honest.

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Speaker 24: As long as they're enjoying it, if they want it,

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Speaker 24: it's got to come with them. You can't tell them

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Speaker 24: that they're great.

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Speaker 3: Now. There's an interesting thing that's happening nowadays, joyce. So

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Speaker 3: I've coached a bunch of teams, young kids teams is

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Speaker 3: my kids are kids teams as my kids have been

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Speaker 3: growing up. And we once got this text in the group,

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Speaker 3: you know, the coaching parents WhatsApp, and it was a

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Speaker 3: mum saying, how come my son hasn't one player of

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Speaker 3: the day yet. It seems to be the same kids

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Speaker 3: winning player of the day all the time. And I

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Speaker 3: was thinking, because your kid hasn't been player of the

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Speaker 3: day yet. So her assumption was that every kid gets

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Speaker 3: of the day in a rotating basis, as opposed to

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Speaker 3: because they've earned it. And that put me in a

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Speaker 3: very interesting position.

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Speaker 24: Well that's it, and you just got but you've just

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Speaker 24: got to be tough. You've got to show other parents

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Speaker 24: tough love. It's just not about the children getting tough love.

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Speaker 24: It's about being you know, you can't just say, oh,

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Speaker 24: your kid's great, your kid's great, when it just it

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Speaker 24: doesn't do them. You goodge, it really doesn't. And luckily

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Speaker 24: Live Hopitives on the absolutely loves basketball, lives and breathes it.

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Speaker 24: A couple of years ago he was finding about thirteen

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Speaker 24: and he thought down place for the NBA said, you've

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Speaker 24: got to get your butt out there and start treating

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Speaker 24: some hopes a lot more than what you are, much

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Speaker 24: better than you.

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Speaker 3: There is a genetic side to it, though, so you

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Speaker 3: have to have something to say basketball. For example, if

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Speaker 3: you're tall, if you're great and you're tall, you're going

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Speaker 3: to do better than the person that's great and short,

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Speaker 3: if you see what I'm saying. So, no matter how

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Speaker 3: hard you are on some kids, they just don't have

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Speaker 3: the jeens like you talk about David Beckham's son's label

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Speaker 3: to have pretty great football jeans. And maybe if David

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Speaker 3: Beckham was harder on him. But no matter how hard

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Speaker 3: I am on Tyler Adams over here, he's never going

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Speaker 3: to make the NBA because he's too short.

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Speaker 24: You wait, mate, you wait, No, you're right, But you know,

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Speaker 24: there's one interesting thing you just said. And there's a

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Speaker 24: kid at a high school moment who's the shortest and

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Speaker 24: he is that good. But his father is extremely hard

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Speaker 24: on him, like twenty four to seven training and extremely

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Speaker 24: hard on him. But he's also the teachers of saying

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Speaker 24: in the parance and he could be the next cut

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Speaker 24: out of New Zealand, like the state next Steven Adams.

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Speaker 24: Now he kid might have a massive growth spurts. It's

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Speaker 24: still fourteen, but he is extremely good. But it's that

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Speaker 24: discipline and you've got to have that hard nosed sort

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Speaker 24: of attitude as a parent. If you know they're good

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Speaker 24: enough and you've got that there in them, you've got

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Speaker 24: to do it.

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Speaker 3: M good on you, Joy, Thanks be cool. I mean

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Speaker 3: there was Spud Weird, wasn't there famously? So he was

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Speaker 3: only five seven and he was a professional basketball player, yep,

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Speaker 3: and you know he'd dunking champion. You know, he'd a

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Speaker 3: bunch of dunking tournaments.

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Speaker 2: I think Muggsy bogues Beck in the ninety ninety five

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Speaker 2: Chicago Bulls. He was a short man. He got into

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Speaker 2: space jam actually, but maybe he was a bit more

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Speaker 2: of a you know, they made a joke about it

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Speaker 2: a poor old muggsy.

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Speaker 3: This Texas is firm, but fear is good. But it's

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Speaker 3: mum who was hardcore and not their father.

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Speaker 2: Interesting was it Beckhams mum that was more hard core? No,

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Speaker 2: Sandra was lovely. I think Ted was the hard ass.

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Speaker 3: But but my point is that you can be lovely

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Speaker 3: and heart so you can have firm expectations and you

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Speaker 3: can be brutally honest with your kids, right, but you

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Speaker 3: can also they can be very sure that you love them,

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Speaker 3: if you see what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a balance though, isn't it. I Mean, look,

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Speaker 2: there's been a few techs talking about Tiger Woods, for example,

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Speaker 2: and the Williams sisters, King Richard and the are the

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Speaker 2: very famous examples of parents that were incredibly, incredibly tough

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Speaker 2: on their children. And you've got to say for Tiger

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Speaker 2: that's affected in most of his life. He's become arguably

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Speaker 2: the greatest golfer in history, but he's got some stuff

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Speaker 2: in his brain that is, you know that he does

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Speaker 2: not like about that period of his time where his

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Speaker 2: dad kicked his us on a daily basis. So you're

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Speaker 2: never going to be good enough.

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Speaker 3: But I wonder if you put it to Tiger Woods,

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Speaker 3: What would you prefer it to be different and you

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Speaker 3: didn't turn out to be incredible because I mean, Tiger

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Speaker 3: Woods was famously on the TV show That's incredible when

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Speaker 3: I believe he was four and just kicking ass as

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Speaker 3: a golfer. So you know, potentially he had a great

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Speaker 3: amount of genetic talent because you know, the training kin'd

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Speaker 3: of been that big part of his life there. But

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Speaker 3: I wonder if you'd give up everything he had. I mean,

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Speaker 3: of course, the struggles he's had and the yeah, he

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Speaker 3: was definitely a difficult dog to keep on the porch

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Speaker 3: with his first wife.

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Speaker 2: Was it was yep, yeah he's straight.

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Speaker 3: But I wonder if you'd give all that up for

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Speaker 3: a nicer, more loving, stable father son relationship.

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Speaker 2: Interesting question, Oh e one hundred and eighty ten eighty

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Speaker 2: keen to hear from you. What is the best approach

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Speaker 2: that you have as a parent to get the best

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Speaker 2: of your children? Is it soft or is it a

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Speaker 2: harder Approach'd love to hear from you. Nineteen nine two

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Speaker 2: is the text. It is seventeen to three.

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Speaker 1: Your home of afternoon Talk Mad Heaven Taylor Adams Afternoons

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Speaker 1: call eight hundred eighty ten eighty Youth Talk.

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Speaker 2: Said, be very good afternoon, she you It is fourteen

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Speaker 2: two three. So we're talking about the idea of soft

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Speaker 2: parenting or parenting styles that may have differed from your

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Speaker 2: own parents. This is after Sir David Becker mentioned in

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Speaker 2: a recent podcast that he has a softer parenting style

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Speaker 2: on his children than his dad had with him.

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Speaker 3: Now, I was talking before about a situation in a

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Speaker 3: sports team WhatsApp thread where a mother asked, how come

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Speaker 3: my son hasn't received the Player of the day yet

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Speaker 3: when all these other kids have, some of them more

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Speaker 3: than once. Yeah, So her assumption was that you got

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Speaker 3: it in order, and this six says, hey, so what

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Speaker 3: did you do regarding the Player of the day. If

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Speaker 3: everyone gets awarded, what's the point now? Yeah, so what

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Speaker 3: did you do?

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Speaker 9: Well?

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Speaker 3: It had to be the person had to player of

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Speaker 3: the day. Doesn't mean it was the most skillful player,

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Speaker 3: the person that put the most effort and it did

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Speaker 3: something amazing. So if that kid really gave a thousand

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Speaker 3: percent and really showed improvement, then you can get Player

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Speaker 3: of the day.

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Speaker 9: Yep.

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Speaker 3: But you couldn't just get it because it was your turn,

1512
01:09:27,652 --> 01:09:32,612
Speaker 3: especially when that mother didn't bring the bloody oranges that

1513
01:09:32,772 --> 01:09:33,852
Speaker 3: on one day when she was supposed to.

1514
01:09:33,973 --> 01:09:36,133
Speaker 2: That's job One's your only job. You've got to break

1515
01:09:36,133 --> 01:09:39,253
Speaker 2: the orangin. But that's an interesting points solated. So if

1516
01:09:39,293 --> 01:09:41,852
Speaker 2: that kid was terrible at what was there? Do you

1517
01:09:41,893 --> 01:09:44,333
Speaker 2: want to mention the sporting question? It was football football.

1518
01:09:44,372 --> 01:09:46,812
Speaker 2: So if that kid was generally terrible at football, but

1519
01:09:46,893 --> 01:09:49,053
Speaker 2: that one game and he's never got player of the day,

1520
01:09:49,053 --> 01:09:51,652
Speaker 2: but that one game, you see he's he's had a

1521
01:09:51,732 --> 01:09:55,012
Speaker 2: marked improvement, but he still wasn't the best player. Would

1522
01:09:55,053 --> 01:09:57,372
Speaker 2: that still be enough to say, hey, actually, you've you've

1523
01:09:57,853 --> 01:10:00,492
Speaker 2: kicked bart for your skill level, We'll give it to you,

1524
01:10:00,612 --> 01:10:03,372
Speaker 2: even though James over there, who's always been the star player,

1525
01:10:03,492 --> 01:10:04,173
Speaker 2: was again the best.

1526
01:10:04,412 --> 01:10:06,412
Speaker 3: Yeah, but the truth is, tried to sub this kid

1527
01:10:06,452 --> 01:10:09,892
Speaker 3: on once and he was playing in bloody Creek at

1528
01:10:09,973 --> 01:10:10,652
Speaker 3: keith A Park.

1529
01:10:11,452 --> 01:10:14,093
Speaker 2: He definitely doesn't deserve that McDonald's endurger player of the

1530
01:10:14,173 --> 01:10:18,852
Speaker 2: day who was making a damn in the creek. Two

1531
01:10:19,093 --> 01:10:22,492
Speaker 2: is the number to call. There's a couple of people

1532
01:10:22,572 --> 01:10:25,532
Speaker 2: mentioning Andrea Egassy and again another example, it's a lot

1533
01:10:25,572 --> 01:10:29,293
Speaker 2: of examples in sport where Andre Agassy, he obviously had

1534
01:10:29,333 --> 01:10:32,693
Speaker 2: another father who really pushed him hart and that relationship

1535
01:10:32,933 --> 01:10:36,133
Speaker 2: was complex. He did mention in his autobiography that he

1536
01:10:36,253 --> 01:10:39,372
Speaker 2: loved his dad but also hated him at the same time.

1537
01:10:39,652 --> 01:10:42,013
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, the Joe Jackson situation has coming through a

1538
01:10:42,013 --> 01:10:46,412
Speaker 3: little bit with Michael Jackson. So Michael Jackson one of

1539
01:10:46,452 --> 01:10:49,532
Speaker 3: the greatest performers of all time, I mean, incredible singer,

1540
01:10:49,612 --> 01:10:54,572
Speaker 3: incredible dance, incredible musician. Yeah, pushed really really hard by

1541
01:10:54,612 --> 01:10:58,932
Speaker 3: his dad Joe Jackson and fetch me a switch stick.

1542
01:10:58,973 --> 01:11:00,372
Speaker 3: Whenever he did anything wrong, he had to go and

1543
01:11:00,372 --> 01:11:02,013
Speaker 3: pick your own stick and then bring it in and

1544
01:11:02,532 --> 01:11:03,372
Speaker 3: he'd whack you with it.

1545
01:11:03,532 --> 01:11:04,012
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1546
01:11:04,053 --> 01:11:07,173
Speaker 3: You got to say, Michael Jackson very successful, but not

1547
01:11:07,253 --> 01:11:08,532
Speaker 3: without his demons.

1548
01:11:08,372 --> 01:11:10,813
Speaker 2: Very troubled, very very troubled.

1549
01:11:10,452 --> 01:11:12,012
Speaker 3: Not without as problems in life.

1550
01:11:12,133 --> 01:11:14,413
Speaker 2: So I think that's where the balance is that I

1551
01:11:14,412 --> 01:11:16,812
Speaker 2: I sink with people like and I you know, I'm

1552
01:11:16,853 --> 01:11:19,293
Speaker 2: psychoanalyzing here, But you get a lot of those very

1553
01:11:19,333 --> 01:11:24,213
Speaker 2: successful people and they become in life people pleases overly

1554
01:11:24,333 --> 01:11:26,892
Speaker 2: people pleases because they never got that praise that they

1555
01:11:26,933 --> 01:11:29,372
Speaker 2: probably should have got from their pearance when they were

1556
01:11:29,372 --> 01:11:32,412
Speaker 2: doing so well, that they're so eager to get that

1557
01:11:32,532 --> 01:11:35,372
Speaker 2: praise in general life because they never got it as

1558
01:11:35,412 --> 01:11:38,492
Speaker 2: a child. So you know, even though you have a

1559
01:11:38,532 --> 01:11:40,532
Speaker 2: some like David Beckham who is one of the greatest

1560
01:11:40,532 --> 01:11:43,253
Speaker 2: footballers ever out of England, is it really worth it

1561
01:11:43,253 --> 01:11:44,612
Speaker 2: as a dad to then look at that guy and

1562
01:11:44,652 --> 01:11:47,173
Speaker 2: think you've got some trauma and some problems in your life.

1563
01:11:47,173 --> 01:11:47,372
Speaker 9: Now?

1564
01:11:47,652 --> 01:11:49,973
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there's two ends of this, isn't there.

1565
01:11:50,053 --> 01:11:52,293
Speaker 3: You go really hard on your kid and you get

1566
01:11:52,333 --> 01:11:59,692
Speaker 3: an incredibly successful, you know, talented superstar, but they're a

1567
01:11:59,732 --> 01:12:02,772
Speaker 3: crazy person that gets their nose changed so many times

1568
01:12:02,772 --> 01:12:04,732
Speaker 3: they basically turn it to the fend of the opera. Yeah,

1569
01:12:05,372 --> 01:12:07,612
Speaker 3: or you're really nice to a kid and then they

1570
01:12:07,692 --> 01:12:11,892
Speaker 3: are up having a very normal but very happy life.

1571
01:12:12,612 --> 01:12:14,612
Speaker 3: Then which would you want? I think every single parent

1572
01:12:14,652 --> 01:12:16,333
Speaker 3: would go. They'd want to have their kid to have

1573
01:12:16,853 --> 01:12:22,692
Speaker 3: a normal but happy life with a healthy family life

1574
01:12:22,732 --> 01:12:25,692
Speaker 3: and friends and all that kind of stuff. But maybe

1575
01:12:26,452 --> 01:12:30,932
Speaker 3: never makes you know, never never makes it to levels

1576
01:12:30,973 --> 01:12:31,732
Speaker 3: of any kind of fame.

1577
01:12:31,853 --> 01:12:33,732
Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is

1578
01:12:33,812 --> 01:12:36,213
Speaker 2: number to call love to hear what you think? Nine

1579
01:12:36,213 --> 01:12:38,892
Speaker 2: two nine two is that text number? It is ten

1580
01:12:38,933 --> 01:12:39,333
Speaker 2: to three.

1581
01:12:40,372 --> 01:12:42,812
Speaker 1: The issues that affect you and a bit of fun

1582
01:12:42,853 --> 01:12:47,933
Speaker 1: along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons NEWSTORGSBB.

1583
01:12:48,692 --> 01:12:51,892
Speaker 2: News talksb it is seven to three Dave.

1584
01:12:51,973 --> 01:12:54,052
Speaker 3: Your thoughts on hard and soft parenting?

1585
01:12:55,253 --> 01:12:58,972
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think like for me, I have the twelve

1586
01:12:59,053 --> 01:13:03,572
Speaker 4: and ten, both boys, so I'm I'm gen X and

1587
01:13:03,612 --> 01:13:07,692
Speaker 4: I'm Asian, so you know, I use both ways hard

1588
01:13:07,772 --> 01:13:10,772
Speaker 4: and soft. So it depends on scenarios. I think, like

1589
01:13:11,933 --> 01:13:14,333
Speaker 4: you know, if they do something really wrong and then I'll.

1590
01:13:14,173 --> 01:13:14,732
Speaker 10: Just go hard.

1591
01:13:14,853 --> 01:13:19,293
Speaker 4: And and then when it comes to sports, uh yeah,

1592
01:13:19,372 --> 01:13:21,852
Speaker 4: like I love basketball. I grew in basketball. And then

1593
01:13:21,893 --> 01:13:26,652
Speaker 4: like you said, SPARKWHEB was my hero. So and and

1594
01:13:26,692 --> 01:13:28,933
Speaker 4: as for the kids, they watched the later you know

1595
01:13:29,013 --> 01:13:31,333
Speaker 4: what is the new new players and all that, and

1596
01:13:32,173 --> 01:13:35,932
Speaker 4: always tell them no one you know what I mean,

1597
01:13:36,013 --> 01:13:38,333
Speaker 4: And you just got to work hard for everything, like

1598
01:13:38,372 --> 01:13:40,612
Speaker 4: everybody are the top dogs, worked really really hard, like

1599
01:13:40,652 --> 01:13:43,452
Speaker 4: Michael Jordan worked really really hard. So work on the

1600
01:13:43,492 --> 01:13:46,052
Speaker 4: ore shootings and all that stuff. And they play football,

1601
01:13:46,093 --> 01:13:47,692
Speaker 4: so so I think it was real hard for.

1602
01:13:47,732 --> 01:13:51,293
Speaker 3: It awesome and and so does that come down to

1603
01:13:51,812 --> 01:13:56,732
Speaker 3: being honest, So if they haven't played well or they're

1604
01:13:56,772 --> 01:13:58,252
Speaker 3: not up to it, or they're not achieving.

1605
01:14:00,093 --> 01:14:02,932
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like my my youngest one, he always thinks highly

1606
01:14:02,973 --> 01:14:05,093
Speaker 4: of himself and I said, no, don't do that. Like

1607
01:14:05,293 --> 01:14:08,133
Speaker 4: he's like, oh, you know, he's such stuff that it's

1608
01:14:08,173 --> 01:14:10,572
Speaker 4: just not good enough. You only ten yourself, Like I

1609
01:14:10,572 --> 01:14:13,692
Speaker 4: can switch better than you're like, you know, just give him.

1610
01:14:13,853 --> 01:14:18,093
Speaker 4: They the fact that it will always be someone better

1611
01:14:18,133 --> 01:14:19,932
Speaker 4: than you do.

1612
01:14:19,933 --> 01:14:22,213
Speaker 2: Do you lead that, David? You know, if they say

1613
01:14:22,213 --> 01:14:24,133
Speaker 2: I don't want to go out and practice today, would

1614
01:14:24,173 --> 01:14:26,333
Speaker 2: you say not, We're getting out there, I'm coming with

1615
01:14:26,412 --> 01:14:28,253
Speaker 2: you and we're going to do it together. Is that,

1616
01:14:28,293 --> 01:14:30,532
Speaker 2: you know, work for motivation to say I'm gonna do

1617
01:14:30,612 --> 01:14:32,333
Speaker 2: this as well to show you the value of hard work.

1618
01:14:33,893 --> 01:14:37,133
Speaker 4: It's it's it's more of a reverse. So he will

1619
01:14:37,173 --> 01:14:40,092
Speaker 4: who will grab me and let's go play one on one?

1620
01:14:40,612 --> 01:14:42,412
Speaker 4: And I need to do some training and all that,

1621
01:14:42,612 --> 01:14:45,692
Speaker 4: and uh yeah, sometimes I just because I'm really tired

1622
01:14:45,732 --> 01:14:49,333
Speaker 4: of her, I'll join you later maybe, like you know, yeah,

1623
01:14:49,452 --> 01:14:50,092
Speaker 4: it's the other.

1624
01:14:49,933 --> 01:14:52,372
Speaker 3: Way around, do you see, you see to get an

1625
01:14:52,372 --> 01:14:54,293
Speaker 3: older and a younger son, is that great?

1626
01:14:54,973 --> 01:14:55,173
Speaker 4: Yes?

1627
01:14:55,253 --> 01:14:55,452
Speaker 10: Yes?

1628
01:14:56,093 --> 01:14:58,892
Speaker 3: And because some of the greatest sports people all time

1629
01:14:59,053 --> 01:15:03,372
Speaker 3: have an older sibling that goes really hard on them.

1630
01:15:03,492 --> 01:15:05,772
Speaker 3: And they can ever beat their older sibling and under

1631
01:15:05,772 --> 01:15:08,973
Speaker 3: that quadron of competition, they end up being fantastic. Is

1632
01:15:08,973 --> 01:15:10,412
Speaker 3: that a situation you're in now.

1633
01:15:10,253 --> 01:15:13,933
Speaker 25: With the Uh not not yet, but uh he the

1634
01:15:13,973 --> 01:15:18,452
Speaker 25: youngest one will push the elder brother to instead. Right,

1635
01:15:18,572 --> 01:15:22,772
Speaker 25: So the youngest one was quite a cocky one, so yeah,

1636
01:15:22,973 --> 01:15:26,333
Speaker 25: and uh so I So I tend to like slowly

1637
01:15:26,372 --> 01:15:29,173
Speaker 25: and then the brother, the elder one was just was just.

1638
01:15:29,093 --> 01:15:32,333
Speaker 4: Like like feeling losing out, so he was just training himself.

1639
01:15:32,372 --> 01:15:34,732
Speaker 4: And then I just hop in and guide him and

1640
01:15:34,732 --> 01:15:35,213
Speaker 4: teach him.

1641
01:15:37,013 --> 01:15:37,173
Speaker 9: Yeah.

1642
01:15:37,293 --> 01:15:38,852
Speaker 2: Do you think it is a cultural thing you mentioned

1643
01:15:38,893 --> 01:15:41,412
Speaker 2: your Malaysian? Is there something about the Malaysian culture an

1644
01:15:41,412 --> 01:15:43,173
Speaker 2: Asian culture in general that there is quite a bit

1645
01:15:43,173 --> 01:15:44,812
Speaker 2: appreciation from ap pearents on the kids.

1646
01:15:46,093 --> 01:15:46,333
Speaker 17: Yeah.

1647
01:15:46,692 --> 01:15:49,612
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's why I tend not to because I was

1648
01:15:49,612 --> 01:15:52,772
Speaker 4: brought up that way. And yeah, I didn't really enjoy it,

1649
01:15:52,853 --> 01:15:56,253
Speaker 4: you know, like you know, there's no answer, you know,

1650
01:15:56,372 --> 01:15:58,933
Speaker 4: you do not ask questions the typical you know, just

1651
01:15:58,973 --> 01:16:02,572
Speaker 4: do it and blah blah blah. Yeah so I I, yeah,

1652
01:16:02,572 --> 01:16:04,973
Speaker 4: I lean soft on that one. And while when it

1653
01:16:05,013 --> 01:16:06,932
Speaker 4: comes to discipline, I'll discipline them properly.

1654
01:16:07,173 --> 01:16:10,093
Speaker 3: So yeah, and had you balance that with making them

1655
01:16:10,372 --> 01:16:12,173
Speaker 3: know that you love them, David.

1656
01:16:13,372 --> 01:16:17,852
Speaker 4: Oh, I think with smaller things like that they kind

1657
01:16:17,853 --> 01:16:20,693
Speaker 4: of know and like every morning were just like yeahs.

1658
01:16:20,772 --> 01:16:23,772
Speaker 4: Agents don't go like, oh, good morning, give them a case,

1659
01:16:24,053 --> 01:16:25,652
Speaker 4: good night, give them a hug and all that. You

1660
01:16:25,692 --> 01:16:27,852
Speaker 4: don't do it. So I do that to my kids.

1661
01:16:27,893 --> 01:16:29,932
Speaker 3: So yeah, no on you, David, thank if you cool?

1662
01:16:29,973 --> 01:16:31,133
Speaker 3: We keep this check going, shall we?

1663
01:16:31,253 --> 01:16:31,853
Speaker 2: Absolutely?

1664
01:16:31,853 --> 01:16:31,973
Speaker 11: Oh?

1665
01:16:31,973 --> 01:16:33,973
Speaker 2: One hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number of

1666
01:16:33,973 --> 01:16:36,572
Speaker 2: cool love to hear from you and your parenting style.

1667
01:16:36,692 --> 01:16:37,693
Speaker 3: Newsers next.

1668
01:16:39,572 --> 01:16:43,852
Speaker 1: Your new home are insightful and entertaining talk. It's Maddy

1669
01:16:44,133 --> 01:16:47,213
Speaker 1: and Tyner Adams afternoons on news Talk.

1670
01:16:47,333 --> 01:16:49,772
Speaker 3: Sibby, Hello to you.

1671
01:16:49,812 --> 01:16:53,333
Speaker 2: Hope you having a great Friday after no seven past three,

1672
01:16:53,812 --> 01:16:55,972
Speaker 2: and we're going to carry on this discussion we're having

1673
01:16:56,013 --> 01:17:00,172
Speaker 2: about soft parenting versus going about hard on your children.

1674
01:17:00,692 --> 01:17:05,172
Speaker 3: Yeah, but speaking of rewards, is a huge reward happening

1675
01:17:05,293 --> 01:17:06,453
Speaker 3: at three point thirty.

1676
01:17:06,173 --> 01:17:09,012
Speaker 2: Today, Adam, Yes, a big moment.

1677
01:17:09,452 --> 01:17:10,972
Speaker 3: Yes, the new Zealander of the week.

1678
01:17:11,173 --> 01:17:13,093
Speaker 2: Yep. A lot of people are excited about that.

1679
01:17:13,173 --> 01:17:15,812
Speaker 3: The Matt Heath and Tyler Adams on news Talks. He'd

1680
01:17:15,812 --> 01:17:17,772
Speaker 3: be in New Zealand of the Week three point thirty.

1681
01:17:17,973 --> 01:17:20,372
Speaker 2: Huge stand by for that that has coming in about

1682
01:17:20,372 --> 01:17:21,133
Speaker 2: twenty five minutes.

1683
01:17:21,173 --> 01:17:23,892
Speaker 3: Put it in your IICL looking forward to that.

1684
01:17:24,133 --> 01:17:26,812
Speaker 2: But we had so many calls on the best way

1685
01:17:26,853 --> 01:17:28,492
Speaker 2: to parent your child and this is on the back

1686
01:17:28,492 --> 01:17:31,173
Speaker 2: of David Beckham, Sir David Beckham, who mentioned in a

1687
01:17:31,213 --> 01:17:34,173
Speaker 2: recent podcast he has a soft parented approach where his

1688
01:17:34,293 --> 01:17:36,372
Speaker 2: dad was a lot harder on David than he is

1689
01:17:36,372 --> 01:17:37,293
Speaker 2: on his own children.

1690
01:17:37,532 --> 01:17:39,732
Speaker 3: The stick says, I coached my boys rugby and cricket

1691
01:17:39,812 --> 01:17:42,412
Speaker 3: for twelve to fifteen years and they never got Man

1692
01:17:42,452 --> 01:17:44,372
Speaker 3: of the Match and they still remind me every time

1693
01:17:44,452 --> 01:17:47,492
Speaker 3: it comes up. Cost me a fortune at Donald's Mackett.

1694
01:17:48,053 --> 01:17:52,053
Speaker 3: I mean when I coached my son at cricket. You

1695
01:17:52,093 --> 01:17:54,732
Speaker 3: know he was he was a bowler primarily when I

1696
01:17:54,812 --> 01:17:58,093
Speaker 3: was umpiring, he would there would there was never an

1697
01:17:58,173 --> 01:18:02,253
Speaker 3: LBW and it would annoy him. It's like that was

1698
01:18:02,333 --> 01:18:04,772
Speaker 3: backpad right in front of the middle stumpy. I'm I'm

1699
01:18:04,772 --> 01:18:06,092
Speaker 3: your father. I can't give an LBW.

1700
01:18:06,213 --> 01:18:08,253
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no nepotism here, son, Like I got to

1701
01:18:08,412 --> 01:18:10,013
Speaker 2: are going to go hard on you, harder than the

1702
01:18:10,013 --> 01:18:10,532
Speaker 2: other kids.

1703
01:18:10,572 --> 01:18:13,452
Speaker 3: I think that's the care, the key we coaching way

1704
01:18:13,612 --> 01:18:18,412
Speaker 3: as this textas says market, you're almost harder on your kids. Yeah.

1705
01:18:18,492 --> 01:18:20,572
Speaker 2: Yeah, it can't be a sniff of being conflicted that

1706
01:18:20,612 --> 01:18:21,093
Speaker 2: you've been.

1707
01:18:21,293 --> 01:18:23,293
Speaker 3: You can't be there on you. You can't be giving

1708
01:18:23,333 --> 01:18:25,732
Speaker 3: them player of the day when you're the coach.

1709
01:18:25,772 --> 01:18:28,412
Speaker 2: Pure corruption. Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighties number

1710
01:18:28,412 --> 01:18:28,852
Speaker 2: to call.

1711
01:18:29,093 --> 01:18:32,093
Speaker 3: Brandon, Welcome to the show. Your thoughts on hard and

1712
01:18:32,133 --> 01:18:32,852
Speaker 3: soft parenting?

1713
01:18:34,053 --> 01:18:34,253
Speaker 14: Yes?

1714
01:18:34,372 --> 01:18:34,973
Speaker 8: See good?

1715
01:18:35,013 --> 01:18:37,932
Speaker 16: Hey guys, Hey, so I don't really know if it

1716
01:18:37,973 --> 01:18:39,933
Speaker 16: was it was hard or soft parenting the way that

1717
01:18:40,093 --> 01:18:43,612
Speaker 16: mum and dad had done it, But especially growing up,

1718
01:18:43,772 --> 01:18:46,772
Speaker 16: we were big into our swimming and Dad would ask

1719
01:18:46,853 --> 01:18:49,732
Speaker 16: us a question after every event we'd done where he

1720
01:18:49,812 --> 01:18:55,173
Speaker 16: had said, we'll be proud of our effort, and if

1721
01:18:55,213 --> 01:18:57,772
Speaker 16: we gave him and we weren't proud because we hadn't

1722
01:18:57,772 --> 01:19:00,732
Speaker 16: won or something, he would come in there and tell us, hey, lot,

1723
01:19:00,772 --> 01:19:03,452
Speaker 16: you've got to okay what I saw wrong, this is

1724
01:19:03,452 --> 01:19:05,372
Speaker 16: what we can do better. That's what we do it training.

1725
01:19:05,772 --> 01:19:07,932
Speaker 16: And then he was hard on us at training, making

1726
01:19:07,973 --> 01:19:11,933
Speaker 16: sure that what we'd talked about at the race he

1727
01:19:12,013 --> 01:19:14,652
Speaker 16: had drilled into us training, right, you need to do this,

1728
01:19:14,652 --> 01:19:16,692
Speaker 16: this is what you need to focus on. So he

1729
01:19:16,853 --> 01:19:20,372
Speaker 16: was soft parenting at the time of the event, but

1730
01:19:20,492 --> 01:19:22,692
Speaker 16: then he was hard on the training, making sure that

1731
01:19:22,812 --> 01:19:26,652
Speaker 16: we were trying to correct what we you know, to

1732
01:19:26,692 --> 01:19:30,532
Speaker 16: make ourselves proud of that next event that we were doing.

1733
01:19:30,812 --> 01:19:33,572
Speaker 2: So I was sorry, you carry on.

1734
01:19:34,772 --> 01:19:37,293
Speaker 16: So yeah, it was good because then he would praise

1735
01:19:37,372 --> 01:19:38,933
Speaker 16: us when we said no, we were real proud of

1736
01:19:38,933 --> 01:19:41,333
Speaker 16: the effort he had come through and say, absolutely fantastic.

1737
01:19:41,412 --> 01:19:44,133
Speaker 16: Let's keep doing what we were doing at training. Let's

1738
01:19:44,133 --> 01:19:47,012
Speaker 16: carry on that and you know, and he would praise

1739
01:19:47,053 --> 01:19:48,492
Speaker 16: you for it. So here was a bit of soft

1740
01:19:48,532 --> 01:19:49,492
Speaker 16: parenting in there as well.

1741
01:19:49,812 --> 01:19:53,532
Speaker 3: What if you praised yourself and you hadn't achieved what

1742
01:19:53,532 --> 01:19:54,932
Speaker 3: you're supposed to do, how did that go down?

1743
01:19:56,612 --> 01:19:57,012
Speaker 15: I don't.

1744
01:19:57,293 --> 01:19:57,652
Speaker 4: I don't.

1745
01:19:57,772 --> 01:20:00,532
Speaker 16: It was so so long ago, but I feel like

1746
01:20:01,333 --> 01:20:04,133
Speaker 16: he would still push hard at training so he would

1747
01:20:04,253 --> 01:20:06,812
Speaker 16: know what we were missing. So whether it was a

1748
01:20:06,853 --> 01:20:09,452
Speaker 16: stroke was out or something, or even at hockey, you know,

1749
01:20:09,492 --> 01:20:12,253
Speaker 16: if we hadn't done enough running, he would push us

1750
01:20:12,412 --> 01:20:16,213
Speaker 16: to make sure we're fixed, or he'd push us at

1751
01:20:16,253 --> 01:20:20,213
Speaker 16: those trainings too. He sort of watched over us and

1752
01:20:20,253 --> 01:20:23,532
Speaker 16: saw what we had, what we were missing, so he

1753
01:20:23,572 --> 01:20:27,372
Speaker 16: would push that at training anyway, but I think it

1754
01:20:27,492 --> 01:20:31,612
Speaker 16: was more so we understood as kids that he was

1755
01:20:32,572 --> 01:20:35,492
Speaker 16: proud of us as well as us being proud of ourselves.

1756
01:20:35,933 --> 01:20:40,613
Speaker 3: Yeah, and what's your relationship with your dad now, Brandon fantastic.

1757
01:20:40,772 --> 01:20:43,213
Speaker 16: I couldn't ask for a better fare than he's. You know,

1758
01:20:43,253 --> 01:20:45,652
Speaker 16: I've got a two year old boy and he's the

1759
01:20:45,692 --> 01:20:51,372
Speaker 16: best grandfather to him. And yeah, yeah, I look up

1760
01:20:51,372 --> 01:20:54,692
Speaker 16: to him still now and the ways that he trained

1761
01:20:54,772 --> 01:20:56,732
Speaker 16: us as or taught us as, because I'll be pushing

1762
01:20:56,732 --> 01:21:01,013
Speaker 16: that onto my children. And it was hard. There was

1763
01:21:01,093 --> 01:21:03,213
Speaker 16: hard love, but there was also a lot of times

1764
01:21:03,253 --> 01:21:05,652
Speaker 16: where it was soft love and it was Yeah, it

1765
01:21:05,652 --> 01:21:07,012
Speaker 16: was a nice family environment.

1766
01:21:07,173 --> 01:21:09,732
Speaker 3: Well, how good he sounds, great, dad? And how far

1767
01:21:09,853 --> 01:21:10,932
Speaker 3: did you take swimming?

1768
01:21:12,692 --> 01:21:13,092
Speaker 19: Well?

1769
01:21:13,213 --> 01:21:17,133
Speaker 16: I ended up getting injured quite badly, So I gave

1770
01:21:17,253 --> 01:21:20,492
Speaker 16: up quite a bit when I was about fifteen, and

1771
01:21:20,933 --> 01:21:24,133
Speaker 16: I never really got back into the right mindset. So

1772
01:21:24,213 --> 01:21:27,052
Speaker 16: then we started doing other things, focusing on other sports

1773
01:21:27,452 --> 01:21:29,572
Speaker 16: where my mind was still in it.

1774
01:21:30,692 --> 01:21:33,973
Speaker 3: What kind of injury stopped you from swimming, Braiden.

1775
01:21:34,612 --> 01:21:36,612
Speaker 16: I thaw a ligament in my shoulder. I was doing

1776
01:21:36,612 --> 01:21:38,852
Speaker 16: a training exercise and I thare a ligament in my

1777
01:21:38,933 --> 01:21:42,293
Speaker 16: left shoulder and talk about six months with acupuncture to

1778
01:21:42,372 --> 01:21:45,772
Speaker 16: come right. But even now I still if I'm doing

1779
01:21:45,812 --> 01:21:48,293
Speaker 16: something at work and I lifting or anything like that,

1780
01:21:48,372 --> 01:21:50,973
Speaker 16: I can still feel pressure on that point. So I

1781
01:21:51,013 --> 01:21:53,333
Speaker 16: don't know if it's actually fully healed now. And that's

1782
01:21:53,732 --> 01:21:55,892
Speaker 16: what I'm twenty eight now, so thirteen years later.

1783
01:21:56,293 --> 01:21:58,652
Speaker 3: And that wasn't from being pushed too hard, was it.

1784
01:21:58,532 --> 01:22:03,652
Speaker 16: Braiden, I don't know. I wouldn't have said so. It

1785
01:22:03,692 --> 01:22:07,492
Speaker 16: was just a normal training exercisey, just to help build

1786
01:22:07,492 --> 01:22:07,972
Speaker 16: the muscle.

1787
01:22:08,532 --> 01:22:08,692
Speaker 10: You know.

1788
01:22:08,732 --> 01:22:10,772
Speaker 16: I was only a kid, you know, fourteen fifteen, so

1789
01:22:10,812 --> 01:22:14,333
Speaker 16: it was helping build that muscle for those strokes that

1790
01:22:14,452 --> 01:22:17,532
Speaker 16: needed the muscle, like the butterfly. It was a butterfly train.

1791
01:22:17,692 --> 01:22:19,772
Speaker 16: Oh yeah, yeah, so it was where you needed to

1792
01:22:19,853 --> 01:22:22,532
Speaker 16: up strength. And as a kid, Dad was doing what

1793
01:22:22,572 --> 01:22:24,892
Speaker 16: he thought was right to help build the muscle to

1794
01:22:25,133 --> 01:22:29,133
Speaker 16: continue MMM and obviously something that we had done wrong

1795
01:22:29,213 --> 01:22:32,333
Speaker 16: had I just got injured from it and my mind

1796
01:22:32,532 --> 01:22:35,213
Speaker 16: left the game. So they were happy with me to

1797
01:22:35,253 --> 01:22:38,932
Speaker 16: not continue. But it was Michael and they just yeah,

1798
01:22:39,093 --> 01:22:40,532
Speaker 16: said if you don't want to do it anymore, then

1799
01:22:40,572 --> 01:22:43,612
Speaker 16: you don't have to let's you know, let's focus on

1800
01:22:43,652 --> 01:22:44,133
Speaker 16: the next thing.

1801
01:22:44,452 --> 01:22:46,412
Speaker 3: So your dad pushed you recently hard and he was

1802
01:22:46,452 --> 01:22:49,772
Speaker 3: honest with you. But did you always know in your

1803
01:22:49,812 --> 01:22:51,652
Speaker 3: heart that he had a lot of love for you?

1804
01:22:52,492 --> 01:22:54,452
Speaker 16: Yeah, one hundred percent. Yeah. I never had a doubt

1805
01:22:54,452 --> 01:22:57,333
Speaker 16: that he didn't love us, because I've got three brothers

1806
01:22:57,333 --> 01:22:59,173
Speaker 16: as well, and he treated all of us the same.

1807
01:22:59,532 --> 01:23:02,852
Speaker 16: Yet it was hard love, as I say, like out

1808
01:23:02,893 --> 01:23:05,333
Speaker 16: on the sports field or at training, or if we

1809
01:23:05,333 --> 01:23:08,052
Speaker 16: were doing something dumb at home, but wrestling with your brothers,

1810
01:23:08,093 --> 01:23:09,732
Speaker 16: you know, he would really be hard on you. But

1811
01:23:10,652 --> 01:23:12,972
Speaker 16: a lot of the time you'd sit at the dinner table,

1812
01:23:13,093 --> 01:23:14,812
Speaker 16: all six of us would sit at the table and

1813
01:23:14,853 --> 01:23:17,053
Speaker 16: we'd talk. You know, we had no phones, we had

1814
01:23:17,093 --> 01:23:20,053
Speaker 16: no TV around. It was all just that was your

1815
01:23:20,053 --> 01:23:21,732
Speaker 16: family time. And you can just tell the way he

1816
01:23:21,772 --> 01:23:25,093
Speaker 16: talked to you, the way he even talked to Mum

1817
01:23:25,133 --> 01:23:27,772
Speaker 16: as well, like he just knew that he loved the family.

1818
01:23:28,173 --> 01:23:28,972
Speaker 16: But he was hard.

1819
01:23:30,333 --> 01:23:33,452
Speaker 3: And so you said that, you know, you've got it

1820
01:23:33,532 --> 01:23:35,333
Speaker 3: was two year old son, you've got now, Braden? Is

1821
01:23:35,372 --> 01:23:36,052
Speaker 3: that your only child?

1822
01:23:36,213 --> 01:23:37,972
Speaker 16: Yeah? It is it is at the moment.

1823
01:23:38,053 --> 01:23:41,492
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And so you you know, do you do

1824
01:23:41,532 --> 01:23:44,412
Speaker 3: anything differently than your dad or planned to do anything

1825
01:23:44,412 --> 01:23:47,253
Speaker 3: different than your dad did with you.

1826
01:23:47,452 --> 01:23:50,013
Speaker 16: No, not not as such, just maybe spend it. I'm

1827
01:23:50,013 --> 01:23:52,133
Speaker 16: trying to spend a bit more time at home than

1828
01:23:52,213 --> 01:23:54,652
Speaker 16: what he did as we were growing up, because we

1829
01:23:54,692 --> 01:23:57,213
Speaker 16: didn't really see him until we're about ten or eleven.

1830
01:23:58,013 --> 01:23:59,692
Speaker 16: He was just working. I'm gonna stay at home, mum.

1831
01:23:59,692 --> 01:24:01,293
Speaker 16: So he was just working and we never saw him.

1832
01:24:01,372 --> 01:24:04,612
Speaker 16: So I'm trying to change that and spend a bit

1833
01:24:04,652 --> 01:24:07,532
Speaker 16: more time, actually have the weekends at home rather than

1834
01:24:07,692 --> 01:24:11,532
Speaker 16: being away doing the extra hours. But I mean that's

1835
01:24:11,572 --> 01:24:13,933
Speaker 16: just because we put ourselves in a spot to be

1836
01:24:13,933 --> 01:24:16,772
Speaker 16: able to do that. My wife and I had sorted

1837
01:24:16,772 --> 01:24:18,972
Speaker 16: a house and stuff before we had a child, making

1838
01:24:19,013 --> 01:24:22,053
Speaker 16: sure that we were financially stable to be able to

1839
01:24:22,093 --> 01:24:24,293
Speaker 16: bring kids into the world so we could give that

1840
01:24:24,372 --> 01:24:25,492
Speaker 16: good family life.

1841
01:24:26,053 --> 01:24:27,732
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a bit of a catch twenty two with

1842
01:24:27,812 --> 01:24:31,852
Speaker 3: previous generations where they thought that they had to work

1843
01:24:32,293 --> 01:24:34,812
Speaker 3: really hard to look after their family, so they were

1844
01:24:34,853 --> 01:24:37,452
Speaker 3: putting the extra hours out of love to make the

1845
01:24:37,572 --> 01:24:41,492
Speaker 3: family succeed. But at the same time of them being

1846
01:24:41,492 --> 01:24:44,372
Speaker 3: away from their family and missing out and maybe not

1847
01:24:44,612 --> 01:24:46,532
Speaker 3: being able to give that part of it of time,

1848
01:24:47,732 --> 01:24:49,692
Speaker 3: which is a very precious resource obviously.

1849
01:24:50,532 --> 01:24:50,852
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1850
01:24:50,933 --> 01:24:53,293
Speaker 16: Yeah, and we find out even with my wife, she's

1851
01:24:53,333 --> 01:24:56,253
Speaker 16: a paramedic, so her shifts are crazy all the time,

1852
01:24:56,532 --> 01:24:59,892
Speaker 16: and she misses out, especially in the first probably when

1853
01:24:59,893 --> 01:25:02,173
Speaker 16: he was about one run.

1854
01:25:02,053 --> 01:25:02,492
Speaker 9: Threat to now.

1855
01:25:02,532 --> 01:25:05,013
Speaker 16: So the last year she had really missed out on

1856
01:25:05,213 --> 01:25:08,173
Speaker 16: seeing lots of developing moments from him because she's at work,

1857
01:25:08,452 --> 01:25:12,012
Speaker 16: she's sleeping or you know, and that is a part

1858
01:25:12,093 --> 01:25:15,692
Speaker 16: on her because she's missing all these Yeah.

1859
01:25:16,612 --> 01:25:19,572
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Brandon, you sound like an awesome dad. Thank

1860
01:25:19,612 --> 01:25:21,132
Speaker 2: you very much for giving us a buzz.

1861
01:25:21,812 --> 01:25:26,612
Speaker 3: Yeah, all the best. Oh, poor Bexy, says Nathan. Your

1862
01:25:26,692 --> 01:25:29,852
Speaker 3: dad pushed you to succeed and become a millionaire. My

1863
01:25:29,933 --> 01:25:32,692
Speaker 3: mate got bashed so hard he became a jailbird. No

1864
01:25:32,772 --> 01:25:36,732
Speaker 3: sympathy here, buddy, Yeah, to be feared to David Beckham,

1865
01:25:37,013 --> 01:25:39,492
Speaker 3: Sir David Beckham, he's actually hassling himself a little bit,

1866
01:25:39,492 --> 01:25:42,012
Speaker 3: doesn't he. So he's saying that he's been too soft

1867
01:25:42,013 --> 01:25:44,813
Speaker 3: on his kids exactly, And I'll tell you what millionaire

1868
01:25:44,893 --> 01:25:50,692
Speaker 3: is really undervaluing. Yeah, the position Besi's anis he? I

1869
01:25:50,692 --> 01:25:53,812
Speaker 3: mean between her look between multi between him and Posh

1870
01:25:53,853 --> 01:25:57,253
Speaker 3: Spice they're they're they're pulled in a good wage over

1871
01:25:57,253 --> 01:25:57,972
Speaker 3: the years, haven't they.

1872
01:25:58,013 --> 01:26:01,652
Speaker 2: Heck, he's not sure to cash. Just trying to find

1873
01:26:01,652 --> 01:26:03,692
Speaker 2: a recent so about four hundred and fifty million bucks?

1874
01:26:03,732 --> 01:26:03,973
Speaker 25: He did?

1875
01:26:04,013 --> 01:26:08,852
Speaker 2: All right, he's done pretty good. He's really good. Dead Yeah,

1876
01:26:08,973 --> 01:26:11,173
Speaker 2: posh and becks Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten

1877
01:26:11,293 --> 01:26:14,133
Speaker 2: eighty is the number to call, keen to hear about

1878
01:26:14,133 --> 01:26:15,772
Speaker 2: your parenting style when it comes to your kids. Do

1879
01:26:15,853 --> 01:26:17,412
Speaker 2: you go hard to try and get the best out

1880
01:26:17,412 --> 01:26:19,532
Speaker 2: of them? Or is there a balance? Nine to nine too?

1881
01:26:19,612 --> 01:26:22,132
Speaker 3: Is that text you's talks it'd be it's.

1882
01:26:22,133 --> 01:26:25,532
Speaker 2: Nineteen past three, so we are talking about parenting styles

1883
01:26:25,572 --> 01:26:28,652
Speaker 2: going a bit harder or is it soft? What's the

1884
01:26:28,692 --> 01:26:30,692
Speaker 2: balance when it comes to how you parent your children?

1885
01:26:30,732 --> 01:26:32,212
Speaker 2: I one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

1886
01:26:32,412 --> 01:26:34,093
Speaker 3: James, how are you this afternoon?

1887
01:26:35,213 --> 01:26:35,452
Speaker 10: Good?

1888
01:26:35,452 --> 01:26:35,972
Speaker 8: Thank you man?

1889
01:26:36,333 --> 01:26:37,732
Speaker 3: Yeah, your thoughts on this, buddy?

1890
01:26:39,692 --> 01:26:41,853
Speaker 8: So I've got a little bit of a different perspective

1891
01:26:41,933 --> 01:26:46,733
Speaker 8: because I went to world championships and won national championships

1892
01:26:46,732 --> 01:26:48,333
Speaker 8: and everything of my chosen sport.

1893
01:26:48,532 --> 01:26:51,333
Speaker 3: So kind of got what was that sport, James?

1894
01:26:52,973 --> 01:26:57,612
Speaker 8: So triathlon and cycling championships that was a long time ago.

1895
01:26:57,692 --> 01:26:59,012
Speaker 3: Now but impressive ever.

1896
01:26:59,013 --> 01:27:03,933
Speaker 8: Managed any any real level of fame. But I guess

1897
01:27:04,412 --> 01:27:08,333
Speaker 8: from my perspective when I think about this, the dry

1898
01:27:08,532 --> 01:27:11,892
Speaker 8: just has to come internally from the kids in order

1899
01:27:11,893 --> 01:27:14,252
Speaker 8: to be successful. And I think a lot of parents

1900
01:27:14,293 --> 01:27:18,333
Speaker 8: that push their kids with an eye to success have

1901
01:27:18,452 --> 01:27:23,892
Speaker 8: a very limited knowledge on just housein that wedges at

1902
01:27:23,933 --> 01:27:28,173
Speaker 8: the top of sport. In most sports, like even getting

1903
01:27:28,213 --> 01:27:30,852
Speaker 8: to the Olympics. In most sports, you're already in like

1904
01:27:30,933 --> 01:27:34,213
Speaker 8: the point zero one percent of your sport, and then

1905
01:27:35,093 --> 01:27:38,532
Speaker 8: then I don't know, from a public perspective, getting a

1906
01:27:38,572 --> 01:27:40,933
Speaker 8: silver or bronze, some people think is a bit of

1907
01:27:40,933 --> 01:27:43,372
Speaker 8: a failure. But at that at that level you're in

1908
01:27:43,412 --> 01:27:48,412
Speaker 8: the you're in such a such elite company and getting

1909
01:27:48,412 --> 01:27:51,772
Speaker 8: to that stage, like for me anyway, there was a

1910
01:27:51,772 --> 01:27:54,333
Speaker 8: period there where I was training twenty five thirty hours

1911
01:27:54,372 --> 01:27:59,812
Speaker 8: a week and it comes to a point where that

1912
01:27:59,853 --> 01:28:04,892
Speaker 8: has to be self driven and it's a holistic point

1913
01:28:04,893 --> 01:28:07,732
Speaker 8: of a way of living as well, in terms of

1914
01:28:07,812 --> 01:28:11,772
Speaker 8: you on your recovery and nutrition. You sleep everything that

1915
01:28:11,893 --> 01:28:16,933
Speaker 8: can't and to be successful you have to have a

1916
01:28:17,213 --> 01:28:20,732
Speaker 8: long career as well, so burnout and injuries as your

1917
01:28:20,772 --> 01:28:23,732
Speaker 8: last call is seared, like if you're push too early,

1918
01:28:23,812 --> 01:28:28,652
Speaker 8: too young, Yeah, you can spiral pretty quick and burn out.

1919
01:28:28,853 --> 01:28:34,612
Speaker 8: So I think a hard parenting school. Sure there's guys

1920
01:28:34,652 --> 01:28:38,173
Speaker 8: like Beckham and and Tiger Woods that come out the

1921
01:28:38,173 --> 01:28:40,532
Speaker 8: other side of it, but they're an exception to the rule.

1922
01:28:40,572 --> 01:28:46,093
Speaker 8: And even the guys like who you think might be

1923
01:28:46,133 --> 01:28:49,653
Speaker 8: goofy and heavy go lucky is a deep seated selfishness

1924
01:28:49,692 --> 01:28:52,173
Speaker 8: to a lot of sports people that the public don't see.

1925
01:28:52,333 --> 01:28:59,253
Speaker 8: So yeah, you definitely don't. There's definitely there's a lot

1926
01:28:59,293 --> 01:29:04,652
Speaker 8: of glorification of that as being successful, but when you

1927
01:29:04,692 --> 01:29:07,852
Speaker 8: scratch the surface on it is, Yeah, there's there's a

1928
01:29:07,893 --> 01:29:08,852
Speaker 8: lot that go into it.

1929
01:29:09,053 --> 01:29:11,812
Speaker 3: That's an interesting thing, isn't it. That's a really interesting

1930
01:29:11,853 --> 01:29:14,732
Speaker 3: point you make there, James, Because we see an athlete

1931
01:29:14,812 --> 01:29:16,812
Speaker 3: and they want a gold medal in the whole country

1932
01:29:16,853 --> 01:29:19,333
Speaker 3: celebrates them and we go, you did it for us,

1933
01:29:19,532 --> 01:29:22,732
Speaker 3: you did it for New Zealand. Amazing, But in a

1934
01:29:22,772 --> 01:29:25,652
Speaker 3: way they they did it for themselves and they were

1935
01:29:25,732 --> 01:29:27,572
Speaker 3: very focused on themselves to get there.

1936
01:29:28,933 --> 01:29:30,772
Speaker 8: Yeah, and the amount of time and some of these

1937
01:29:30,812 --> 01:29:34,173
Speaker 8: sports that people have to spend, especially if you're in

1938
01:29:34,213 --> 01:29:37,492
Speaker 8: a sport that requires you to compete in Europe or

1939
01:29:37,532 --> 01:29:40,412
Speaker 8: wherever for most of the year, that's months away from

1940
01:29:40,412 --> 01:29:47,372
Speaker 8: your family, a very like spart and like existence. You

1941
01:29:47,492 --> 01:29:51,972
Speaker 8: have to be. Yeah, and if you've got daddy issues

1942
01:29:52,053 --> 01:29:55,812
Speaker 8: or whatever from earlier on, or you've been pushed so

1943
01:29:55,893 --> 01:29:58,933
Speaker 8: hard that yeah, you sort of get an injury and

1944
01:29:58,973 --> 01:30:02,372
Speaker 8: you're out because you your body hasn't been built up

1945
01:30:02,412 --> 01:30:05,053
Speaker 8: for it, then yeah, I think you have to be

1946
01:30:05,133 --> 01:30:07,812
Speaker 8: super careful. And when you look at a kid like

1947
01:30:07,893 --> 01:30:11,732
Speaker 8: Sam Roost who's the Tracks star, I think the way

1948
01:30:11,772 --> 01:30:15,933
Speaker 8: he's being managed by his father and his coach, you

1949
01:30:15,973 --> 01:30:21,452
Speaker 8: there's there's real knowledge in that camp around how how

1950
01:30:21,492 --> 01:30:26,612
Speaker 8: that progression works in the most healthy way. So I

1951
01:30:26,612 --> 01:30:31,693
Speaker 8: think when people actually have experienced, when parents have experienced

1952
01:30:31,933 --> 01:30:36,412
Speaker 8: around that elite mindset, that that's a that's a massive

1953
01:30:36,452 --> 01:30:38,293
Speaker 8: advantage in the kids camp.

1954
01:30:38,452 --> 01:30:42,532
Speaker 3: So yeah, now Jame's looking back at you know, how

1955
01:30:42,692 --> 01:30:45,173
Speaker 3: how you were pushed and how much effort you put

1956
01:30:45,173 --> 01:30:48,612
Speaker 3: it into sport and you know obviously took it to

1957
01:30:49,133 --> 01:30:52,093
Speaker 3: a high level. How do you think that set you

1958
01:30:52,173 --> 01:30:56,452
Speaker 3: up for adulthood and you know, you know, living life

1959
01:30:56,532 --> 01:31:03,412
Speaker 3: outside of that kind of high level of training in sport, Well.

1960
01:31:03,293 --> 01:31:07,173
Speaker 8: Yeah, I operated it. Yeah, I've been relatively successful in

1961
01:31:07,213 --> 01:31:12,412
Speaker 8: my career so far, and that's in a corporate setting.

1962
01:31:12,612 --> 01:31:17,253
Speaker 8: But I think it's the discipline in that self drive.

1963
01:31:17,732 --> 01:31:23,692
Speaker 8: But I also think that having seen that selfish aspect

1964
01:31:23,772 --> 01:31:26,412
Speaker 8: and in that side of it as well, I think

1965
01:31:26,452 --> 01:31:30,293
Speaker 8: there are people in the corporate world who, for team

1966
01:31:30,293 --> 01:31:33,372
Speaker 8: building exercises or whatever, will get in like a gold

1967
01:31:33,412 --> 01:31:37,133
Speaker 8: medal willing athlete to speak to their team as some

1968
01:31:37,492 --> 01:31:41,133
Speaker 8: sort of team building exercise and and think that these

1969
01:31:41,173 --> 01:31:44,173
Speaker 8: people are the greatest thing since slices bread. But they

1970
01:31:44,213 --> 01:31:48,213
Speaker 8: don't understand sort of that that other side that I

1971
01:31:48,253 --> 01:31:54,053
Speaker 8: talked about, And so having understood that, I think that

1972
01:31:54,213 --> 01:31:58,932
Speaker 8: makes me more compassionate in a work sense than probably

1973
01:31:58,973 --> 01:32:01,772
Speaker 8: if I had, then some of these people who I

1974
01:32:01,772 --> 01:32:07,933
Speaker 8: think become workpace psychopathity. The way to success is just

1975
01:32:07,973 --> 01:32:12,333
Speaker 8: to be absolutely cutthroat and ruthless. Yeah, And that's probably

1976
01:32:12,652 --> 01:32:16,293
Speaker 8: that in some respects, probably mirrors. Yeah, what some of

1977
01:32:16,293 --> 01:32:19,892
Speaker 8: these real high end athletes are like in real person

1978
01:32:20,013 --> 01:32:22,852
Speaker 8: then when you meet them, and sort of that don't

1979
01:32:22,853 --> 01:32:25,173
Speaker 8: meet your heroes kind of thing, I guess, and some

1980
01:32:25,173 --> 01:32:25,892
Speaker 8: some respects.

1981
01:32:25,973 --> 01:32:30,213
Speaker 3: But the discipline and the discipline and the ability to

1982
01:32:30,412 --> 01:32:33,612
Speaker 3: put in the hard yards that that you obviously had

1983
01:32:33,652 --> 01:32:35,532
Speaker 3: when you were younger, whether that was put into you

1984
01:32:35,532 --> 01:32:38,853
Speaker 3: by your parents or whether it came from you innately,

1985
01:32:39,372 --> 01:32:43,692
Speaker 3: has helped you to succeed in business. Just just the

1986
01:32:43,732 --> 01:32:44,932
Speaker 3: ability to work hard.

1987
01:32:46,452 --> 01:32:49,532
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's healthy, I think. But yeah, I think just

1988
01:32:50,213 --> 01:32:55,412
Speaker 8: like engendering that real cutthroat piece you've got. I've got

1989
01:32:55,452 --> 01:32:59,852
Speaker 8: an eight year old son and he's innately I wouldn't

1990
01:33:00,133 --> 01:33:03,772
Speaker 8: call him super competitive, but I'm trying to engender like

1991
01:33:03,853 --> 01:33:06,933
Speaker 8: more of an enjoyment aspect. I think that's kind of

1992
01:33:06,933 --> 01:33:11,093
Speaker 8: where you get longevity and anything you do, and that's

1993
01:33:11,133 --> 01:33:15,013
Speaker 8: where the discipline comes from. Is like the genuine, authentic

1994
01:33:15,093 --> 01:33:19,852
Speaker 8: sense of enjoyment in something. And yeah, I think that's

1995
01:33:20,133 --> 01:33:25,852
Speaker 8: far more healthy. And getting that discipline harm is really

1996
01:33:25,893 --> 01:33:28,972
Speaker 8: finding that reason why you want to do something as

1997
01:33:28,973 --> 01:33:31,333
Speaker 8: opposed to being having it forced upon you.

1998
01:33:31,652 --> 01:33:35,253
Speaker 3: When we talk about the selfish nature of some of

1999
01:33:35,293 --> 01:33:40,652
Speaker 3: these you know, highly you know, intense training programs, et cetera,

2000
01:33:40,652 --> 01:33:44,533
Speaker 3: and success, how much do you see parents living vicariously

2001
01:33:44,572 --> 01:33:47,452
Speaker 3: through their kids in this Because you have to be

2002
01:33:47,812 --> 01:33:50,372
Speaker 3: careful when you're a parent that you're not pushing your

2003
01:33:50,452 --> 01:33:53,452
Speaker 3: kid really hard, and you know, having a tough love

2004
01:33:53,853 --> 01:33:57,532
Speaker 3: approach on them because you want their success to reflect

2005
01:33:57,652 --> 01:34:00,412
Speaker 3: well on you. How much of that do you see, James,

2006
01:34:01,612 --> 01:34:02,532
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.

2007
01:34:02,492 --> 01:34:06,013
Speaker 8: Heep, yeah, And I think that's sort of where I

2008
01:34:06,053 --> 01:34:09,492
Speaker 8: sort of see that split between parents have been there

2009
01:34:09,532 --> 01:34:12,812
Speaker 8: before and parents who haven't and trying to and the

2010
01:34:12,853 --> 01:34:15,572
Speaker 8: way that they push their kids. You can push your

2011
01:34:15,612 --> 01:34:18,772
Speaker 8: kids super hard at twelve to fifteen, but there's no

2012
01:34:18,853 --> 01:34:21,892
Speaker 8: awards for being the best in the world at sixteen seventeen,

2013
01:34:22,053 --> 01:34:25,213
Speaker 8: like you want. If you want to be at the

2014
01:34:25,213 --> 01:34:27,053
Speaker 8: top of the game, then you then you have to

2015
01:34:27,093 --> 01:34:30,052
Speaker 8: advocate that wants to still be doing it at twenty five.

2016
01:34:31,173 --> 01:34:35,333
Speaker 8: Ye And that's sort of where the pitfall is. And

2017
01:34:35,372 --> 01:34:37,692
Speaker 8: I think that's where going back to Sam Ruth, his

2018
01:34:37,933 --> 01:34:41,612
Speaker 8: father Ben kind of got to that level and he's

2019
01:34:41,692 --> 01:34:46,692
Speaker 8: started training Sam only around twelve, and it's and you

2020
01:34:46,732 --> 01:34:49,293
Speaker 8: can see it's more about the enjoy getting that enjoyment

2021
01:34:49,333 --> 01:34:52,612
Speaker 8: factor in there and taking it slowly, slowly, not really

2022
01:34:53,013 --> 01:34:54,412
Speaker 8: punishing a child early on.

2023
01:34:54,612 --> 01:34:57,293
Speaker 2: Yeah, James, thank you very much. A great call. It's

2024
01:34:57,333 --> 01:35:00,652
Speaker 2: just you know, it's that whole thing that that failure

2025
01:35:00,692 --> 01:35:03,892
Speaker 2: is not an option. And look, Dad pushed me pretty

2026
01:35:03,893 --> 01:35:05,372
Speaker 2: hard when I was He pushed all up but was

2027
01:35:05,412 --> 01:35:09,133
Speaker 2: pretty hard. But yeah, failures, failure is going to have

2028
01:35:09,253 --> 01:35:11,253
Speaker 2: to everybody, and it's how you deal with that failure.

2029
01:35:11,293 --> 01:35:13,892
Speaker 2: You want to achieve, but everybody's going to fail, and

2030
01:35:13,933 --> 01:35:15,732
Speaker 2: I think to James point, there's a couple of people

2031
01:35:15,772 --> 01:35:18,933
Speaker 2: out there who reach dizzy in heights, but failure is

2032
01:35:18,933 --> 01:35:21,573
Speaker 2: still not an option and that's kind of that's trauma

2033
01:35:21,692 --> 01:35:22,572
Speaker 2: rather than success.

2034
01:35:22,652 --> 01:35:24,372
Speaker 3: That's why this is such a great text. On nine

2035
01:35:24,372 --> 01:35:26,253
Speaker 3: two nine two. We never tell our boys off when

2036
01:35:26,253 --> 01:35:28,932
Speaker 3: they get a bad result, but we will definitely blast

2037
01:35:29,013 --> 01:35:30,692
Speaker 3: them if they don't give their best.

2038
01:35:30,812 --> 01:35:33,532
Speaker 2: Yeah, nicely Pott. It is twenty eight past three.

2039
01:35:37,532 --> 01:35:40,973
Speaker 1: Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred and

2040
01:35:40,973 --> 01:35:43,412
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty on news Talk SAIB it.

2041
01:35:43,452 --> 01:35:45,492
Speaker 2: Is twenty nine to four. Couple of texts on nine

2042
01:35:45,492 --> 01:35:46,133
Speaker 2: two nine two.

2043
01:35:46,333 --> 01:35:48,692
Speaker 3: My dad was hard love but always giving us adventures.

2044
01:35:48,772 --> 01:35:51,213
Speaker 3: Mum was wonderful, but Dad was security and adventure. He

2045
01:35:51,293 --> 01:35:54,852
Speaker 3: solved every problem, provided for us amazingly said this says

2046
01:35:54,893 --> 01:35:58,333
Speaker 3: this TEXTA schools in New Zealand teach avoidance of competition

2047
01:35:58,612 --> 01:36:02,173
Speaker 3: and rather joint teamwork and accept failure. You show is

2048
01:36:02,213 --> 01:36:05,652
Speaker 3: disturbingly poor without experts on the show that should be

2049
01:36:05,692 --> 01:36:10,133
Speaker 3: closed out. I agree, Rope, agree Rob that this show

2050
01:36:10,173 --> 01:36:10,932
Speaker 3: should be shut down.

2051
01:36:10,973 --> 01:36:12,692
Speaker 2: Should have been shut down a long time ago, but

2052
01:36:12,732 --> 01:36:14,932
Speaker 2: for some reason they made us keep going.

2053
01:36:15,053 --> 01:36:17,732
Speaker 3: I absolutely agree. And where's the tough love? Yeah, this

2054
01:36:17,772 --> 01:36:21,932
Speaker 3: is this whole bloody show. Tyler participation trophy read us

2055
01:36:21,973 --> 01:36:25,772
Speaker 3: like David Beckham. Yeah, so so many texts coming through

2056
01:36:25,812 --> 01:36:28,412
Speaker 3: on this. This one is really good. What about Ivan

2057
01:36:28,452 --> 01:36:30,812
Speaker 3: clar he always putting his son Nathan and the team

2058
01:36:30,812 --> 01:36:33,892
Speaker 3: and giving him Player of the day. Give someone else ago.

2059
01:36:34,933 --> 01:36:37,412
Speaker 3: I was watching the twenty twenty two NRL Grand Final

2060
01:36:37,532 --> 01:36:40,133
Speaker 3: on an international flight. Love that you can watch live

2061
01:36:40,133 --> 01:36:43,612
Speaker 3: sports on international flights now, and that moment when Ivan

2062
01:36:43,652 --> 01:36:49,013
Speaker 3: and Nathan hugged was so beautiful. The love and the

2063
01:36:49,053 --> 01:36:52,532
Speaker 3: respect for each of them pulled a tear to my eye.

2064
01:36:52,973 --> 01:36:57,372
Speaker 3: Just hard work and wholesome stuff and the respect between

2065
01:36:57,532 --> 01:37:00,572
Speaker 3: each other. I mean, that is what we're talking about.

2066
01:37:00,612 --> 01:37:03,213
Speaker 3: It it's very best. Yeah, you know those two great

2067
01:37:03,532 --> 01:37:04,452
Speaker 3: great chin as well.

2068
01:37:04,572 --> 01:37:08,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, beautiful chin. Great discussion. Thank you to everybody who

2069
01:37:08,652 --> 01:37:11,532
Speaker 2: text on that one. But stand by coming up the

2070
01:37:11,612 --> 01:37:15,852
Speaker 2: moment everybody's waiting for New Zealander of the Week will be.

2071
01:37:18,933 --> 01:37:19,213
Speaker 10: Deuced.

2072
01:37:19,253 --> 01:37:20,852
Speaker 1: Talks at be headlines with.

2073
01:37:20,973 --> 01:37:24,052
Speaker 17: Blue bubble taxis it's no trouble with a blue bubble.

2074
01:37:24,532 --> 01:37:28,052
Speaker 17: Thousands of frustrated health workers are striking and force around

2075
01:37:28,093 --> 01:37:32,652
Speaker 17: the country over what they're calling shameful offers. They say

2076
01:37:32,652 --> 01:37:36,692
Speaker 17: they're staffing and pay concerns haven't been addressed. Top up

2077
01:37:36,732 --> 01:37:39,253
Speaker 17: holiday payments have been made to more than eighty three

2078
01:37:39,333 --> 01:37:42,772
Speaker 17: thousand current Health and Z workers. Health and Z has

2079
01:37:42,812 --> 01:37:46,012
Speaker 17: paid out ninety three percent of the current workforce owed

2080
01:37:46,173 --> 01:37:49,333
Speaker 17: hundreds of millions of dollars after holiday pay had been

2081
01:37:49,372 --> 01:37:55,453
Speaker 17: calculated and distributed incorrectly. Another milestone for police and customs

2082
01:37:55,492 --> 01:38:00,213
Speaker 17: stamping down organized crime at Auckland Airport, Operation Matatah has

2083
01:38:00,213 --> 01:38:02,932
Speaker 17: seen more than six hundred kilograms of meth and one

2084
01:38:03,013 --> 01:38:07,892
Speaker 17: hundred kilograms of cocaine seized. Firefighters are working for a

2085
01:38:07,933 --> 01:38:10,572
Speaker 17: second day to extinguish a blaze at a high rise

2086
01:38:10,612 --> 01:38:13,972
Speaker 17: apartment complex in Hong Kong. The death toll has risen

2087
01:38:14,013 --> 01:38:17,972
Speaker 17: to ninety four calls for information after a Hamilton man

2088
01:38:18,053 --> 01:38:21,052
Speaker 17: was seriously injured and what police believe was a targeted

2089
01:38:21,093 --> 01:38:26,572
Speaker 17: shooting on Sapphire Place in Chartwell overnight. Simon Dellow's final

2090
01:38:26,692 --> 01:38:29,852
Speaker 17: hour the rise of a six pm TV news man.

2091
01:38:30,133 --> 01:38:32,813
Speaker 17: You can see the full story at enzed Herald Premium.

2092
01:38:33,093 --> 01:38:34,772
Speaker 17: Back to Matt Eath and Tyler Adams.

2093
01:38:35,492 --> 01:38:40,852
Speaker 1: The Matteath and Tyler Adams Afternoons New Zealander of the Week.

2094
01:38:42,372 --> 01:38:46,013
Speaker 26: It's time once again for the Matt and Tyler Afternoons

2095
01:38:46,013 --> 01:38:49,253
Speaker 26: on z B New Zealander of the Week. A hugely

2096
01:38:49,293 --> 01:38:52,692
Speaker 26: prestigious platinum level award cobbled together by me at home

2097
01:38:52,732 --> 01:38:55,612
Speaker 26: before I come into the city on Friday. Each week

2098
01:38:55,692 --> 01:38:59,372
Speaker 26: one exemplary key week we have talked about on the show,

2099
01:38:59,492 --> 01:39:01,772
Speaker 26: who has had an outsized effect on our great and

2100
01:39:01,853 --> 01:39:05,213
Speaker 26: beautiful nation will win this award, and by someone. The

2101
01:39:05,253 --> 01:39:08,173
Speaker 26: truth is the winner is often not human or even

2102
01:39:09,213 --> 01:39:10,333
Speaker 26: as always there'll.

2103
01:39:10,133 --> 01:39:13,612
Speaker 5: Be two runners up, but only one lucky winner.

2104
01:39:13,652 --> 01:39:14,452
Speaker 3: Who will it be?

2105
01:39:14,772 --> 01:39:18,013
Speaker 5: Without further piiting around, here's the second.

2106
01:39:17,812 --> 01:39:21,412
Speaker 26: Runner up for the Mahea and Tyler Adams Afternoons New

2107
01:39:21,492 --> 01:39:28,412
Speaker 26: Zealander of the Week. On a busy, busy Fendleton Road

2108
01:39:28,412 --> 01:39:31,772
Speaker 26: in christ Juice this week, a safety vested hero did

2109
01:39:31,772 --> 01:39:35,412
Speaker 26: a wholesome thing between a sea of road cones and traffic.

2110
01:39:35,692 --> 01:39:38,892
Speaker 26: Video of this roadworker shared by Chris Lynch stopping traffic.

2111
01:39:38,973 --> 01:39:41,812
Speaker 26: So a mummy duck and her ducklings could cross the

2112
01:39:41,893 --> 01:39:43,653
Speaker 26: road has warned.

2113
01:39:43,692 --> 01:39:47,452
Speaker 3: Cold hearts nationwide. Sure it held up traffic.

2114
01:39:47,812 --> 01:39:50,052
Speaker 26: Maybe we need to ask some questions around the quality

2115
01:39:50,093 --> 01:39:52,252
Speaker 26: of parenting ducks are giving their kids taking.

2116
01:39:52,013 --> 01:39:53,452
Speaker 3: Them out on the road in the first place.

2117
01:39:53,732 --> 01:39:59,053
Speaker 5: But unnamed christ Church duckling saving road worker. You are

2118
01:39:59,532 --> 01:40:00,493
Speaker 5: second runner.

2119
01:40:00,333 --> 01:40:03,973
Speaker 3: Up for New Zealander of the Week. Moving on to

2120
01:40:04,053 --> 01:40:05,053
Speaker 3: our first runner up.

2121
01:40:05,412 --> 01:40:09,732
Speaker 20: Yeah, there's always plenty of gold around in these.

2122
01:40:10,093 --> 01:40:13,893
Speaker 21: A yellow beauty has been quietly hiding in the Wellington

2123
01:40:13,973 --> 01:40:17,772
Speaker 21: Hills for millions of years, but now in twenty twenty five,

2124
01:40:18,333 --> 01:40:22,053
Speaker 21: suddenly Long Gully is the most talked about patch.

2125
01:40:21,772 --> 01:40:24,012
Speaker 5: Of sedentary rock in the country.

2126
01:40:25,253 --> 01:40:29,732
Speaker 26: There are prospecting bids everywhere, new companies rushing in and

2127
01:40:29,812 --> 01:40:32,812
Speaker 26: to say the Resources Minister is visiting at the bung over.

2128
01:40:32,652 --> 01:40:35,693
Speaker 21: These precious metals would be a gross understatement.

2129
01:40:35,812 --> 01:40:38,732
Speaker 2: Wow, keep my knees and call me a wagon wheel.

2130
01:40:38,973 --> 01:40:41,972
Speaker 5: There is absolutely positively gold.

2131
01:40:42,053 --> 01:40:46,492
Speaker 3: And then there Wellington Hills. Forget the economy destroying Golden Mile.

2132
01:40:46,412 --> 01:40:50,892
Speaker 26: And welcome the gold rush Wellington Gold. You get silver

2133
01:40:51,333 --> 01:40:53,772
Speaker 26: in this week's New Zealander of the Week.

2134
01:40:54,372 --> 01:40:56,772
Speaker 3: And for whatever reason, this afternoons when it can't fulfill

2135
01:40:56,812 --> 01:40:58,892
Speaker 3: their duties of New Zealand of the Week, The Gold

2136
01:40:58,893 --> 01:41:01,693
Speaker 3: and Wellington's Hills will be asked to undertake the appearances,

2137
01:41:02,253 --> 01:41:05,652
Speaker 3: sash cuttings and parades required of the Matt Heath and

2138
01:41:05,692 --> 01:41:08,093
Speaker 3: Tyler Adams on z B New Zealand of the Week.

2139
01:41:08,652 --> 01:41:12,852
Speaker 3: All right, ladies and gentlemen, there can be only one,

2140
01:41:13,253 --> 01:41:14,173
Speaker 3: and here he is.

2141
01:41:18,253 --> 01:41:21,173
Speaker 26: He swam one point nine bike ninety and ran twenty

2142
01:41:21,213 --> 01:41:23,533
Speaker 26: one k every day this month.

2143
01:41:23,452 --> 01:41:25,852
Speaker 5: All while working as a frontline cop.

2144
01:41:26,093 --> 01:41:29,012
Speaker 21: That's fifty seven k in the water, two thy seven

2145
01:41:29,053 --> 01:41:29,732
Speaker 21: hundred k on.

2146
01:41:29,692 --> 01:41:33,412
Speaker 26: The bike and six one hundred and thirty three a's

2147
01:41:33,532 --> 01:41:34,092
Speaker 26: on foot.

2148
01:41:34,612 --> 01:41:36,532
Speaker 3: A Canterbury officer completing.

2149
01:41:36,173 --> 01:41:39,093
Speaker 26: A half iron Man every single day in November to

2150
01:41:39,173 --> 01:41:42,053
Speaker 26: raise money and awareness for the excellent men's.

2151
01:41:41,812 --> 01:41:43,612
Speaker 3: Mental health charity better Man.

2152
01:41:44,133 --> 01:41:44,692
Speaker 5: What a Man?

2153
01:41:44,812 --> 01:41:46,253
Speaker 3: What a Charity? What an Officer?

2154
01:41:46,372 --> 01:41:49,253
Speaker 26: Get on board and support the cause at betterman dot

2155
01:41:49,372 --> 01:41:51,133
Speaker 26: org dot nz slash mission.

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Speaker 3: You've got a quiz on at Eden Park tonight too

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Speaker 3: if you want to go for turning.

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Speaker 26: Endurance into advocacy and pushing your body to the limit

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Speaker 26: to help other men's minds.

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Speaker 2: Christ Church Cop Mick Johnston.

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Speaker 26: You are a great New Zealander and you are than

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Speaker 26: mahe and Tyler Adams Afternoon New Zeander.

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01:42:09,772 --> 01:42:34,133
Speaker 27: Of the Week take it away, Howie Morrison, great one

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01:42:34,492 --> 01:42:35,412
Speaker 27: and a special treat.

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Speaker 2: We're actually going to chat to Nick Johnson next.

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Speaker 1: How good the issues that affect you and if it

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01:42:41,333 --> 01:42:44,092
Speaker 1: have fun along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams

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Speaker 1: Afternoons used talk sa'd be.

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Speaker 2: It is seventeen to four, So christ choose police dog

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01:42:49,612 --> 01:42:52,692
Speaker 2: handl An Armed Defenders Squad member has pushed himself to

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01:42:52,732 --> 01:42:55,093
Speaker 2: the limits of his physical and mental endurance for a

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01:42:55,133 --> 01:42:59,012
Speaker 2: great cause. Consortable Nick Johnston has been completing a half

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01:42:59,093 --> 01:43:02,093
Speaker 2: marathon half iron Man, I should say, every single day

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Speaker 2: in his own time for the entire month of November.

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01:43:04,772 --> 01:43:06,652
Speaker 2: He's doing it for Better Man, a charity on a

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01:43:06,652 --> 01:43:08,812
Speaker 2: mission to help boys and men become better usions of

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Speaker 2: themselves mentally, emotionally and physically. And he was this week's

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Speaker 2: winner of New Zealander of the Week. He's on the line, Nick, congratulations.

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Speaker 9: Oh, thank you an absolute honor. Thanks for having me on.

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01:43:21,572 --> 01:43:24,732
Speaker 3: So Nick, what exactly is a half marathon and where

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01:43:24,732 --> 01:43:26,732
Speaker 3: did the idea come from to do one every day?

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01:43:26,732 --> 01:43:29,893
Speaker 3: In November, so starts.

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01:43:29,532 --> 01:43:32,892
Speaker 9: Off with a one point nine k swim and then

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01:43:32,973 --> 01:43:35,612
Speaker 9: a ninety k bike ride and then a twenty one

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01:43:35,732 --> 01:43:37,452
Speaker 9: point one k run to finish the day.

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Speaker 3: Sparrow, It's crazy how much how much training did you

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01:43:41,732 --> 01:43:44,293
Speaker 3: have to do to prepare prepare for this, Nick?

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01:43:45,812 --> 01:43:49,572
Speaker 9: Oh, The specific training block for this was about six months.

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01:43:50,133 --> 01:43:52,173
Speaker 9: About six months work went into trying to get the

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01:43:52,173 --> 01:43:55,452
Speaker 9: body ready as much as possible to complete the month.

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Speaker 3: And you've already completed your half iron Man today, haven't you?

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Speaker 3: For the day?

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01:44:00,772 --> 01:44:03,452
Speaker 9: Yes, I have finished about half an hour ago. She

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01:44:03,532 --> 01:44:05,093
Speaker 9: was a hot and windy one down here and cross

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01:44:05,133 --> 01:44:07,932
Speaker 9: it today, so it's grateful to be finished.

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Speaker 2: You sound pretty fresh considering he just completed at thirty

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01:44:11,053 --> 01:44:13,772
Speaker 2: minutes ago. So what has been the toughest part of

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01:44:13,772 --> 01:44:14,412
Speaker 2: it for you?

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Speaker 9: Nick?

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01:44:14,893 --> 01:44:16,732
Speaker 2: Was there a couple of days that you think, jeez,

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Speaker 2: this is full noise?

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Speaker 9: To be fair, early on, probably between day three and five,

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01:44:23,452 --> 01:44:25,612
Speaker 9: I was just having a bit of troubles getting all

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01:44:25,612 --> 01:44:28,732
Speaker 9: the food on board, which because obviously they have to

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01:44:28,732 --> 01:44:30,652
Speaker 9: be eating quite a lot to fuel for the day

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01:44:30,692 --> 01:44:33,612
Speaker 9: and then the next day, So that was the biggest

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01:44:33,612 --> 01:44:36,093
Speaker 9: concern really early on. But then once the gut caught

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01:44:36,173 --> 01:44:39,092
Speaker 9: up to what we were doing where we were away laughing.

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Speaker 9: So yeah, it's it's actually gone quite quick, but I'm

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01:44:43,293 --> 01:44:44,973
Speaker 9: pretty happy. There's only two more days left to.

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01:44:44,933 --> 01:44:48,652
Speaker 3: Be on And what about injuries? Must have been a concern.

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01:44:48,772 --> 01:44:51,452
Speaker 3: You have to must have had to be very careful

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01:44:51,452 --> 01:44:53,532
Speaker 3: that you didn't you know, into yourself on day fifteen.

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01:44:54,372 --> 01:44:57,412
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, no injuries. I've been well looked after by

2215
01:44:57,452 --> 01:45:00,093
Speaker 9: the team at Motus out here on Lincoln Sosysios have

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01:45:00,173 --> 01:45:01,852
Speaker 9: been giving me a massage of your day so that's

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01:45:01,893 --> 01:45:04,452
Speaker 9: been awesome to keep me going. But I've been pretty lucky.

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01:45:04,532 --> 01:45:06,892
Speaker 9: The body is held together reasonably well. I've had a

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01:45:06,893 --> 01:45:09,213
Speaker 9: bit of a battling a bit of quad straining for

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01:45:09,253 --> 01:45:13,132
Speaker 9: the last week, but just been managing that and managing

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01:45:13,173 --> 01:45:15,852
Speaker 9: to get through the days all right. So yeah, hopefully

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Speaker 9: the quad can hold together for two more days.

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01:45:18,133 --> 01:45:20,933
Speaker 2: What does nutrition look like when you're undertaking something of

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01:45:20,933 --> 01:45:21,693
Speaker 2: this magnatu?

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01:45:21,853 --> 01:45:22,213
Speaker 3: Do you mean?

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01:45:22,253 --> 01:45:24,572
Speaker 2: Have you got I take it you're pretty dialed in

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01:45:24,612 --> 01:45:26,452
Speaker 2: on what you should be eating and checking in your body.

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01:45:27,372 --> 01:45:28,372
Speaker 11: Yeah.

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01:45:28,452 --> 01:45:31,652
Speaker 9: Yeah, I've pretty much got the same stuff each day,

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01:45:32,853 --> 01:45:36,852
Speaker 9: a lot of OSM bars and some pure gewls and

2231
01:45:36,853 --> 01:45:38,772
Speaker 9: stuff like that. But yeah, there's plenty of food being

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01:45:38,772 --> 01:45:42,093
Speaker 9: eaten in between each discipline and yeah, I've got it

2233
01:45:42,093 --> 01:45:45,173
Speaker 9: pretty dil in now. So yeah, I'm eating a lot

2234
01:45:45,173 --> 01:45:47,293
Speaker 9: of calories, so come one day, I'm probably going to

2235
01:45:47,333 --> 01:45:49,692
Speaker 9: have to cut back on the pies and the people young.

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01:45:51,213 --> 01:45:53,692
Speaker 3: How has this been working with your day job with

2237
01:45:53,853 --> 01:45:55,013
Speaker 3: the police.

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01:45:56,532 --> 01:45:59,932
Speaker 9: I've got a month off work so and my dog's

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01:45:59,973 --> 01:46:02,452
Speaker 9: been looked after by one of the training sergeants, so

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Speaker 9: yeah that works. Been bloody good with leave and yeah,

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01:46:05,692 --> 01:46:08,852
Speaker 9: looking after my dog and support as well. Plenty of

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01:46:08,893 --> 01:46:11,732
Speaker 9: our colleagues coming out and come with some runs and

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01:46:11,732 --> 01:46:12,612
Speaker 9: bikes has been awesome.

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01:46:12,853 --> 01:46:15,093
Speaker 3: I have good on them. And your dog must be

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01:46:15,133 --> 01:46:15,852
Speaker 3: missing you though.

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01:46:15,772 --> 01:46:17,133
Speaker 7: Right do.

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01:46:18,093 --> 01:46:20,452
Speaker 9: Yeah, I'll starting misimachs. Are we good to get him

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01:46:20,452 --> 01:46:23,412
Speaker 9: back on the first? Looking forward to seeing him again?

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01:46:24,173 --> 01:46:27,213
Speaker 2: And for you, mate, why is better man special to

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01:46:27,253 --> 01:46:29,333
Speaker 2: you or why did you want to raise this cash?

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01:46:29,333 --> 01:46:31,732
Speaker 2: I understand you know clearly men's mental health is a

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01:46:31,732 --> 01:46:33,652
Speaker 2: big thing for for a lot of us, but there

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01:46:33,692 --> 01:46:35,852
Speaker 2: has been some family ties to it as well.

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01:46:36,812 --> 01:46:40,173
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, so obviously just through work and had lots

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Speaker 9: of friends that have struggled with mental health issues and

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01:46:42,652 --> 01:46:47,093
Speaker 9: also got a younger brother actually, who has struggled with

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01:46:47,213 --> 01:46:52,093
Speaker 9: mental health throughout his adult life. So yes, it's a

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01:46:52,133 --> 01:46:53,812
Speaker 9: cause debt of my heart. And I think the Better

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01:46:53,853 --> 01:46:58,732
Speaker 9: Man Boys, the way they go about their businesses really

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01:46:58,732 --> 01:47:01,213
Speaker 9: sticks out to me. You know, they get guys together

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01:47:01,333 --> 01:47:04,772
Speaker 9: and have some fun, but also weave that mental health

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01:47:04,812 --> 01:47:08,173
Speaker 9: message in, which is a good way for some blokes

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01:47:08,213 --> 01:47:10,973
Speaker 9: to open up better than sometimes sitting in front of

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01:47:10,973 --> 01:47:13,253
Speaker 9: a shrink. So those guys do a great job. So

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01:47:13,412 --> 01:47:16,572
Speaker 9: that's the driver behind it, to raise some money and

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01:47:16,572 --> 01:47:18,772
Speaker 9: some awareness for their awesome charity.

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Speaker 3: Well they're great New Zealanders, fantastic and they've got it.

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01:47:22,572 --> 01:47:23,812
Speaker 3: They've got a bit of a quiz on at Eating

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01:47:23,853 --> 01:47:24,372
Speaker 3: Park tonight.

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Speaker 9: So yeah, sof that goes well for them.

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Speaker 3: Betterman dot org if you're you're interested in that. Speaking

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01:47:32,093 --> 01:47:35,892
Speaker 3: of mental health and mental strength, strength, So when you're

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01:47:35,933 --> 01:47:39,293
Speaker 3: facing something like this a half iron man every day,

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01:47:39,652 --> 01:47:41,173
Speaker 3: how do you how do you chew off the bits

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01:47:41,173 --> 01:47:42,532
Speaker 3: of it? How do you how do you keep going?

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01:47:42,532 --> 01:47:45,452
Speaker 3: How do you keep your mind? And how do you

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01:47:45,532 --> 01:47:47,333
Speaker 3: keep in charge of your mind? Because I imagine the

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01:47:47,372 --> 01:47:49,333
Speaker 3: calls to just pack it in must be big from

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01:47:49,333 --> 01:47:50,173
Speaker 3: some parts of your brain.

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01:47:51,093 --> 01:47:51,333
Speaker 10: Yeah.

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01:47:51,452 --> 01:47:51,652
Speaker 14: Yeah.

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01:47:51,772 --> 01:47:54,452
Speaker 9: To be honest, the brain, the mind's been pretty good.

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01:47:54,572 --> 01:47:56,333
Speaker 9: As I said, I've had heat of support from work,

2284
01:47:56,372 --> 01:47:57,973
Speaker 9: so I haven't had to do a hell of a

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01:47:57,973 --> 01:48:00,572
Speaker 9: lot of it by myself. That's probably That's probably the

2286
01:48:00,652 --> 01:48:03,452
Speaker 9: main when you're there. But now I've had at some

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01:48:03,572 --> 01:48:06,932
Speaker 9: moments where I've been thinking, oh, this is pretty hard

2288
01:48:06,973 --> 01:48:09,213
Speaker 9: or I'm getting sick of this. But as I've said

2289
01:48:09,213 --> 01:48:12,372
Speaker 9: in the past, like that moment is nothing compared to

2290
01:48:12,412 --> 01:48:14,932
Speaker 9: what some blokes go through when they're you know, when

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01:48:14,933 --> 01:48:17,652
Speaker 9: they're struggling behind closed doors and not opening up. So

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01:48:18,133 --> 01:48:20,012
Speaker 9: when I start thinking like that, I'll just give myself

2293
01:48:20,013 --> 01:48:20,692
Speaker 9: an upper coat.

2294
01:48:20,572 --> 01:48:21,333
Speaker 2: And you can't.

2295
01:48:22,293 --> 01:48:25,973
Speaker 3: So Nick, you've got two more half iron Man's to

2296
01:48:26,013 --> 01:48:29,372
Speaker 3: go to complete the month. What are you looking forward to.

2297
01:48:29,372 --> 01:48:31,892
Speaker 3: What's the first thing that you'll do when it's all over.

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01:48:32,692 --> 01:48:34,093
Speaker 9: I think as soon as I crossed the finish and

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01:48:34,133 --> 01:48:36,452
Speaker 9: I have to give my wife a big cuttle because

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01:48:36,452 --> 01:48:38,412
Speaker 9: she's been the legion holding the four together at home,

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01:48:38,492 --> 01:48:41,133
Speaker 9: and then and then it'll be straight into a couple

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01:48:41,173 --> 01:48:42,532
Speaker 9: of Frosty's I think a few years.

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01:48:42,772 --> 01:48:46,133
Speaker 2: Yeah, good man, good Man, Hey, it's a fantastic if

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01:48:46,173 --> 01:48:49,093
Speaker 2: you're doing just quickly. Just did you ever see that

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01:48:49,173 --> 01:48:52,652
Speaker 2: documentary Iron Cowboy where a guy called James Lawrence was

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01:48:52,652 --> 01:48:54,972
Speaker 2: trying to do something similar to you. It's I mean,

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01:48:54,973 --> 01:48:56,932
Speaker 2: you're you're clearly a freak when it comes to doing

2308
01:48:56,933 --> 01:48:58,892
Speaker 2: this sort of stuff, and so is he. But I

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01:48:58,933 --> 01:49:00,732
Speaker 2: wondered if that was a bit of inspiration. This was

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01:49:00,732 --> 01:49:02,892
Speaker 2: a guy who tried to do I think thirty iron

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01:49:02,933 --> 01:49:03,732
Speaker 2: Man's in thirty.

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01:49:03,612 --> 01:49:06,812
Speaker 9: Days, so he actually did one hundred full iron Man

2313
01:49:06,893 --> 01:49:11,012
Speaker 9: in one hundred days. But so he he takes the cake,

2314
01:49:11,253 --> 01:49:13,492
Speaker 9: But there's actually buy in the UK who broke his

2315
01:49:13,572 --> 01:49:15,412
Speaker 9: record a couple of years ago, did one hundred and

2316
01:49:15,452 --> 01:49:18,972
Speaker 9: five four Imans in one hundred and five days. So yeah, yeah,

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01:49:19,093 --> 01:49:21,732
Speaker 9: I was following him and that was the inspiration behind

2318
01:49:22,372 --> 01:49:27,133
Speaker 9: like doing the half Ironman's. That was the inspiration behind

2319
01:49:27,173 --> 01:49:29,532
Speaker 9: the idea of the raising money. And obviously I've done

2320
01:49:29,532 --> 01:49:31,452
Speaker 9: a few trifles, so I thought I'll give a crack

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01:49:31,492 --> 01:49:33,213
Speaker 9: and what's the worst that can happen?

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01:49:34,492 --> 01:49:37,293
Speaker 3: So you're raising money, where are you're sitting at on

2323
01:49:37,333 --> 01:49:41,092
Speaker 3: your target? And how can people chepin?

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01:49:42,572 --> 01:49:46,053
Speaker 9: So yeah, we initial target was fifteen thousand, but we

2325
01:49:46,412 --> 01:49:49,053
Speaker 9: hammered's past that, so now we're looking at thirty for

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01:49:49,133 --> 01:49:52,572
Speaker 9: thirty so hopefully thirty grand for thirty half Ironman we're

2327
01:49:52,612 --> 01:49:55,213
Speaker 9: sitting at I think could tack under twenty six thousand

2328
01:49:55,253 --> 01:49:57,612
Speaker 9: at the moment, so hopefully a big push in the

2329
01:49:57,612 --> 01:49:59,532
Speaker 9: next couple of days and get those donations up. But

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01:49:59,532 --> 01:50:01,492
Speaker 9: if anyone does want to donate, they just have to

2331
01:50:02,532 --> 01:50:05,532
Speaker 9: go to either better Man dot or bons or just

2332
01:50:05,612 --> 01:50:07,333
Speaker 9: go straight to Give a Little and type in Nick

2333
01:50:07,412 --> 01:50:09,173
Speaker 9: Johnson and the link. You should be able to find

2334
01:50:09,173 --> 01:50:10,173
Speaker 9: the link to donate there.

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01:50:10,452 --> 01:50:13,412
Speaker 2: Yep, great stuff, Nick, You're a legend, and thank you

2336
01:50:13,492 --> 01:50:15,133
Speaker 2: very much having a chat with us, and go well

2337
01:50:15,173 --> 01:50:16,373
Speaker 2: for the next couple of days.

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01:50:16,652 --> 01:50:19,293
Speaker 9: No, I appreciate you guys having me on show and

2339
01:50:19,412 --> 01:50:20,492
Speaker 9: yet or some things for that.

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01:50:20,612 --> 01:50:22,772
Speaker 2: What a great key with that is Nick Johnson, a

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01:50:22,853 --> 01:50:26,692
Speaker 2: christ Church police dog handler who is attempting thirty half

2342
01:50:26,772 --> 01:50:29,453
Speaker 2: hind Man's every single day for the month of November.

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01:50:29,532 --> 01:50:31,452
Speaker 2: So those websites again, just go to give a Little

2344
01:50:31,572 --> 01:50:34,652
Speaker 2: dot co dot nz and search Nick Johnson or Betterman

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01:50:34,973 --> 01:50:38,093
Speaker 2: dot org dot enz and we'll get that interview up

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01:50:38,093 --> 01:50:41,133
Speaker 2: and give you those websites as well. Right back in

2347
01:50:41,173 --> 01:50:43,093
Speaker 2: a mote. It is nine to four.

2348
01:50:44,053 --> 01:50:47,452
Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

2349
01:50:47,772 --> 01:50:51,532
Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons US

2350
01:50:51,612 --> 01:50:52,372
Speaker 1: talks THEIRB.

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Speaker 2: News Talks there B it is six minutes to four.

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01:50:56,213 --> 01:50:58,572
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening everyone. As always, we've

2353
01:50:58,612 --> 01:50:59,732
Speaker 2: loved ad Chats today.

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01:50:59,732 --> 01:51:00,852
Speaker 3: It's been a great old time.

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01:51:01,372 --> 01:51:01,612
Speaker 24: Yep.

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01:51:01,652 --> 01:51:03,732
Speaker 2: We get so many great New Zealanders calling into our

2357
01:51:03,772 --> 01:51:05,892
Speaker 2: show that each week we choose a caller of the week,

2358
01:51:05,933 --> 01:51:07,452
Speaker 2: and this week we were talking about the abuse and

2359
01:51:07,492 --> 01:51:10,052
Speaker 2: Auckland counselor faced and whether we all need a thicker

2360
01:51:10,093 --> 01:51:12,692
Speaker 2: skin when weighing up what is fair criticism. Then Jeremy

2361
01:51:12,732 --> 01:51:15,333
Speaker 2: rang in and he's got plenty himself as a community

2362
01:51:15,333 --> 01:51:17,053
Speaker 2: board member that thrives on it.

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01:51:17,492 --> 01:51:20,893
Speaker 12: That's quite satisfying when you can respond in a professional

2364
01:51:21,213 --> 01:51:23,532
Speaker 12: and you're sort of upholding your integrity, but at the

2365
01:51:23,532 --> 01:51:25,492
Speaker 12: same time you're kind of I think people in their place.

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01:51:25,612 --> 01:51:27,652
Speaker 12: It's the truth. I kind of get a kick out

2367
01:51:27,652 --> 01:51:29,333
Speaker 12: of it because you know that those people that are

2368
01:51:29,372 --> 01:51:33,452
Speaker 12: abusing you online, they're abusing you anonymously, they've got no

2369
01:51:33,532 --> 01:51:36,133
Speaker 12: grounds for any of the basis of what you're saying.

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01:51:36,173 --> 01:51:38,732
Speaker 12: It's just say you're always just going to get those people,

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Speaker 12: but I can find it oddly satisfying responding to those people.

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Speaker 3: It's hugely infuriating to be They talk about the rock

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01:51:44,692 --> 01:51:47,053
Speaker 3: that isn't moved by the river. You're just sitting there

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01:51:47,093 --> 01:51:50,532
Speaker 3: being yourself, being professional, doing the right thing. There's nobody

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Speaker 3: to come.

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01:51:50,893 --> 01:51:52,172
Speaker 2: Back, so true.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, wow, what a great man. And speaking of great

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01:51:54,612 --> 01:51:56,852
Speaker 3: New Zealanders, hither dup to see Ellen is up next?

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01:51:56,933 --> 01:52:00,253
Speaker 3: Our podcast is out in about an hour. But right now, Tyler,

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Speaker 3: my good friend, tell me why am I playing this song?

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01:52:03,412 --> 01:52:06,013
Speaker 2: Great tune, but I've got no idea mate, while you're

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Speaker 2: playing it. Wow.

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Speaker 26: We were talking about pushing kids, and no one is

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01:52:10,532 --> 01:52:12,932
Speaker 26: a better example of the risks and rewards on pushing

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01:52:12,973 --> 01:52:18,013
Speaker 26: your kids hard like Joe Jackson pushed Michael hard and

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Speaker 26: we all saw it happened. What a great song released

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01:52:20,213 --> 01:52:22,452
Speaker 26: in nineteen eighty eight off the album bad Man in

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Speaker 26: the Mirror, A call to change the.

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Speaker 3: World by first changing yourself. Joe Jackson probably needed to

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Speaker 3: take a big long look in the mirror. Tone Yeah,

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Speaker 3: awesome joys.

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Speaker 5: Anyway, you seem busy, so we'll let you go go.

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Speaker 3: Liam Lawson go Black Friday and until Monday, I have

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Speaker 3: oh give him a taste of Kiwi. From us, your comboard,

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Speaker 3: some more, stand up your saturn, you.

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