1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,239 Speaker 1: Barriso Per, Senior political correspondence with us. Hey Barry, good afternoon. 2 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:05,280 Speaker 1: Have you reckon labor softening it stance on this span? 3 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:09,360 Speaker 2: Well, there was an interesting exchange in the House this afternoon. No, 4 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 2: the listeners can probably read what they will into it. 5 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:18,240 Speaker 2: But there is in terms of security that any investor 6 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:21,320 Speaker 2: in this country has to have. And a point that 7 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:24,640 Speaker 2: was made by the offshore wind developer Blue Float Energy 8 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 2: then New Zealand Manager Nathan Turner. He said that New Zealand, 9 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 2: if it wants to encourage investment, it needs a bipartisan 10 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 2: energy plan. Now that's been said time and time again 11 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 2: in parliament now as he said that frequent changes and 12 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:44,240 Speaker 2: policy from one election to another is certainly not helpful 13 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 2: to encourage investment into this country. Well, Resources Minister Shane 14 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 2: Jones was again at his lyrical best in Parliament this afternoon. 15 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:57,279 Speaker 2: But did get I think something of an undertaking from 16 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 2: Chris Sipkins that any contract any entered into by this 17 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 2: government will be honored by a government led by him. 18 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:07,479 Speaker 3: Have a listened, Well, what is happening with this house 19 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 3: that the beauty of language and robust expressions suddenly are 20 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 3: turning the other side? 21 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 1: Into sobs. 22 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 3: It is a very bleak day that members of this 23 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:19,119 Speaker 3: House feel they have the right to threaten and further 24 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 3: undermine sovereign risk of investment. There has been no claim 25 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 3: on this side of the House that we would cancel 26 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 3: contracts already entered into. 27 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 1: So hold on that's not true though. 28 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:32,960 Speaker 2: Well, no it's not. Now what's going on? 29 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: One of their mp was Rachel Brooking, well said that 30 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 1: they would do that. 31 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 2: It's not only her, there was the Greens. They'll be 32 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 2: part of any future coalition government and they've vehemently opposed 33 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 2: to any certainly lifting of the oil and gas band, 34 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 2: but any contract I would imagine being honored beyond that. 35 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 2: So and James Shaw last November he was saying that 36 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 2: even if there was a viable fine, production is unlikely 37 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 2: to begin in the three years of this government, six 38 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 2: or even nine years and after that who knows. So 39 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 2: they're still muddying the water, the Greens. But I think 40 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:18,919 Speaker 2: certainly maybe Chris Hipkins has moved towards well maybe giving 41 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 2: the investors a better steer. 42 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 1: Where they may have some wiggle room. Is that Rachel Brooking, 43 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:27,079 Speaker 1: who's the environment spokesperson, did not say that they would 44 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 1: revoke consents as far as I can see, she said 45 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:33,360 Speaker 1: that they would consider that and that there would be 46 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 1: on a case by case basis. So she left the 47 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 1: door open, which is basically like close enough for. 48 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 2: Awkins is basically saying any contract that entered in two 49 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 2: will be hon it. 50 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:45,799 Speaker 1: Well, interesting stuff. Hey, So Shane Jones, remember he labeled 51 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:47,119 Speaker 1: that High Court judge of communists. 52 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:48,920 Speaker 2: He has been a busy boy in partners today. 53 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:50,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, twist in this story, isn't it? 54 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting because the High Court judge question is 55 00:02:55,280 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 2: just justice Sheryl Gwynn. Now she recently awarded the customary 56 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 2: title to Maldi and that's caused all sorts of problems 57 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 2: at the moment that Jones said he couldn't remember the 58 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 2: context of what he said when he initially called her 59 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 2: a communist, but he said political rhetoric that goes without 60 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 2: saying politicians do that. But in the House, Chris Luxen 61 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:24,079 Speaker 2: faced questions from Chris Sipkins over the independence of the 62 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 2: judiciary from Parliament, where the Jones comments were inappropriate. 63 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:31,239 Speaker 3: Jane Jones renewed as attacks last week, calling a High 64 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 3: Court judge a communist. Matter of fact, you'd have to 65 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 3: ask the Minister about that, But what I'd say is 66 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 3: that he was being descriptive, not critical. Is it acceptable 67 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 3: for a minister in his government to describe a judge 68 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 3: as a communist? 69 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: The comments are descriptive, not critical. That's exactly what has 70 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: happens on the public record. 71 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 3: They may not have been the words that I'd use, 72 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 3: but he's perfectly free to do so as the Prime Minister. 73 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 3: Surprised that the leader of the Labor Party believes common 74 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 3: in just a critical term. 75 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, the fact is that Justice Quinn once belonged 76 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 2: to the Socialist Action League. I've looked that up. That 77 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:19,159 Speaker 2: particular league. It renamed itself in the late eighties to 78 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 2: the Communist League. She had been a member of it, 79 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 2: and she was appointed to the High Bench by David 80 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 2: Parker in twenty nineteen. But the irony in all of 81 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:33,279 Speaker 2: this story here that to me is that she was 82 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 2: also appointed as an Inspected General of Intelligence and Security. 83 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 2: So the head spy in this country as a communist 84 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:44,720 Speaker 2: in two thousand was a Communist. 85 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:45,720 Speaker 1: Oh how good is that? 86 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 2: But that was appointed by the NATS of course, So 87 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:50,479 Speaker 2: you know, she's had an interesting career. 88 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 1: So Shane Jones gets away with that one because it 89 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: was as a statement of facts. Does has you liking 90 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 1: Phase two of the COVID inquiry? 91 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting, isn't it, Because we're not through phase 92 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 2: one yet. That will finish in November when Tony Blakeley, 93 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 2: who the question marks raised over the epidemiologist who is 94 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 2: in Australia. They'll finish up. 95 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:13,720 Speaker 1: And then the new loss come what happened? 96 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 2: So you're going to have to me it's going to 97 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 2: be quite interesting, two quite separate reports and the terms 98 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:23,039 Speaker 2: of reference for the second phase is what could be 99 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 2: much more critical of the government than the first? 100 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 1: The former government? 101 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:28,160 Speaker 2: The former government. 102 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 1: Yes, I just speak, that's exactly what's going to happen. 103 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 1: Barry Thank you, Always appreciated Barry so but senior political correspondent. 104 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 3: For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to 105 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:40,119 Speaker 3: news Talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow 106 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 3: the podcast on iHeartRadio.