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Speaker 3: Have about our favorite sound on desserts, but also a
Speaker 3: call forward to something else we're talking about in the
Speaker 3: episode being love Girls. Would you consist yourself a lovely girl?
Speaker 3: Very enough?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Would you say, to be honest, actually I probably wouldn't,
Speaker 3: not in the way that I'm a lovely girl.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like you.
Speaker 3: How do I say this? I fall hard and fast?
Speaker 3: You emotions are kind of the last thing on the
Speaker 3: on the agenda looks for it. Would you say whereas
Speaker 3: I am Immediately I'll look at someone and just I'm
Speaker 3: planning our.
Speaker 1: Whole future together, right, yeah, I think a bit of time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I love that fear.
Speaker 1: Just like music, like you know what music?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, how you need to take two years to
Speaker 3: learn the lyrics to a single song?
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a real problem.
Speaker 3: But do you know whose music I know all the
Speaker 3: lyrics to? Jordan's so excited to have Jordan with a
Speaker 3: Wii on the podcast today. I am feeling a little
Speaker 3: bit nervous because this is one of my most favorite
Speaker 3: singer songwriters ever in the studio with us. Please give
Speaker 3: it up for Marty Someone, singer songwriter, intergenerational chain breaker
Speaker 3: and real reclaimer. Jordan with the.
Speaker 5: Sorry, I'm alive and wow, I've been working so hard,
Speaker 5: but no, it's so cool to be here today chatting
Speaker 5: with with some cool people that I've been following for
Speaker 5: a while. You guys, you are on my FYP like
Speaker 5: no one, no one else. I'm your target audience.
Speaker 4: Just for you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's actually yeah, she's our target listener when you
Speaker 3: go into these business meetings.
Speaker 1: It's Jordan's so so she is like a bad bitch.
Speaker 6: And it's working. I'm seeing everything that's.
Speaker 1: Cool, Jordan. Every episode we share what we love about home,
Speaker 1: So whatever home is to you wherever it feels like
Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be where you live. What is
Speaker 1: home and what do you love about it? We'll start
Speaker 1: off first, and this week what I love about home
Speaker 1: is my nana's aged care home. So she recently moved
Speaker 1: into aged care and it's been a weird experience, I
Speaker 1: will say, new for me, and I don't know, I
Speaker 1: don't want to get too deep, but yeah, it's it's
Speaker 1: just nice going to visit her.
Speaker 6: Yeah, nice.
Speaker 1: And although it's a very sad situation and what Elna
Speaker 1: she has come down with, like that is all very sad.
Speaker 1: It's like it's got flowers and like photos of family everywhere,
Speaker 1: and there's always conversation going in the hallways and these
Speaker 1: people coming in and out of the rooms, so it's
Speaker 1: bustling with activity given the circumstances. Yeah, that's what I
Speaker 1: love about home.
Speaker 4: This week, you posted.
Speaker 3: This really nice video of all your family together with
Speaker 3: your nana and it's just your papa was like I've
Speaker 3: never oh not, I've never seen him so happiness nor no,
Speaker 3: but just seeing him like laugh despite the situation, and
Speaker 3: like your nana had the most beautiful smile and her
Speaker 3: face like that made me so happy, beautiful.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we love.
Speaker 1: As we do love our Nana's period.
Speaker 3: What I love about Home this week is I think
Speaker 3: the Golden Alies, who are like a band someone so good.
Speaker 3: I've been listening to so much of their music recently
Speaker 3: and it is some more language if when recording this,
Speaker 3: but there's just something about that old style of someone music,
Speaker 3: and especially when you know it's been recorded live. Yes,
Speaker 3: something about it is just it's just gonna fill me
Speaker 3: with joy every time.
Speaker 4: I just love it.
Speaker 3: So the Golden Lilies is what I love about Home.
Speaker 5: Oh, those are beautiful answers. I think what I love
Speaker 5: about Home is the laughs, Like we are always laughing
Speaker 5: for mosting each other.
Speaker 6: But yeah, I think that's something that.
Speaker 5: I'm really really grateful for with the family that I
Speaker 5: have grown up and on both sides days like my
Speaker 5: mom's side, my dad's side, or my cousins, my just
Speaker 5: I think that's just a very strong gene in our
Speaker 5: family is like to find the humor in everything. So
Speaker 5: whether life is really awful at the time or whether
Speaker 5: it's incredible, you can always count on the family to
Speaker 5: bring some laugh to the table.
Speaker 3: I love that there's something about like a Pacific laugh.
Speaker 6: It is so really good, truly.
Speaker 1: I was catching up with a couple of mates and Wellington,
Speaker 1: I didn't and seem to catch up with him, but
Speaker 1: I just saw them on the side of the street
Speaker 1: and we hadn't seen each other in maybe a couple
Speaker 1: of years. And I was there with my little sister,
Speaker 1: and after we finished saying bye to each other, my
Speaker 1: little sister was like, you know those bilongies across the
Speaker 1: road we're looking at It scary the amount of.
Speaker 5: Times me and my girls have been told off laughing
Speaker 5: too loud, talking too loud.
Speaker 6: I'm like, you wish you had something.
Speaker 5: To laugh about, make me angry.
Speaker 3: I love it so much. Well, Jordan, you at Jordan
Speaker 3: with a why? But what is that why? Please tell
Speaker 3: us about the why?
Speaker 6: What is the why?
Speaker 5: It's yeah, Well my why is definitely firstly my sons.
Speaker 6: I've got two sons.
Speaker 5: I've got a seven year old and a two year old,
Speaker 5: and I think since becoming a mother, like I just
Speaker 5: have a different drive to be.
Speaker 6: Unapologetically who I am. And I don't mean like in
Speaker 6: a real individualistic way.
Speaker 5: I just mean like as a mildy, as a someone
Speaker 5: woman who was born and raised in South Auckland, Like
Speaker 5: I just want to be that amplified because there's so
Speaker 5: many of us, Yeah, and so that they can have
Speaker 5: a certain confidence as they're growing up.
Speaker 6: And I think also my wife is I'm a lover
Speaker 6: girl at heart.
Speaker 5: I love love and I love justice, so like love
Speaker 5: and justice are my That's kind of like what I
Speaker 5: try and build my world around.
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's so beautiful.
Speaker 4: I'm also a love girl at heart. I love love, love.
Speaker 3: Love in all forms in any ways.
Speaker 6: Fast around here.
Speaker 3: Yes that was about But there's just something about like
Speaker 3: when you live your life. I think, especially as like
Speaker 3: a Pasifico woman, an indigenous woman living a life centered
Speaker 3: around love is a little bit political and a little
Speaker 3: bit like weird in a world where we often have
Speaker 3: to like really fight for our sense of place, to
Speaker 3: actively work against that and just be like a joyful, baddie,
Speaker 3: happy love a girl, Like there's something really like political
Speaker 3: and like resistant about that that I think is like
Speaker 3: you subconsciously ended up being like quite political, and like
Speaker 3: that sense of justice comes through when you.
Speaker 4: Are just fight fighting for love, fighting for love.
Speaker 6: We lover is not fighters. All we love is and fighters.
Speaker 3: We're everything all one too.
Speaker 1: How has motherhood been for you when you had your
Speaker 1: first How is that experience.
Speaker 6: It's been?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 5: So, I was twenty four when I had my first born,
Speaker 5: which seems like a really good appropriate age advocate, But
Speaker 5: why did I feel like I was fourteen? I still
Speaker 5: feel like a young teenage mom. Let me have children
Speaker 5: and like be in charge of humans raising them.
Speaker 6: It was definitely.
Speaker 5: Beautiful, and in lots of ways, I'm grateful that that
Speaker 5: was the age. And then in other ways, I like
Speaker 5: wish I was younger to have had more energy to
Speaker 5: be growing with my with my kids, But it definitely
Speaker 5: helped to solidify for me how I will and won't
Speaker 5: bring up my sons like I think just a lot
Speaker 5: of the questions that I had myself around identity and
Speaker 5: like am I good enough?
Speaker 2: A might not?
Speaker 5: All of those questions I definitely knew. I don't want
Speaker 5: my sons to to have those kind of thoughts or
Speaker 5: to really battle with identity questions. So as much as
Speaker 5: I can input and inform them about who they are.
Speaker 3: Are.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I feel like having kids really made me settle
Speaker 5: into that. I don't think you have to have kids
Speaker 5: to settle into that, but for me and my own story.
Speaker 5: I don't think I could have landed where I am
Speaker 5: now without without Yeah, being a.
Speaker 1: Mom, they do say that, well not in all cases,
Speaker 1: but before you're a parent, you kind of just stumble
Speaker 1: about life and you do as you please. But once
Speaker 1: you bring children into the world, you have ambition and
Speaker 1: you have something that you're fighting for. Would you say
Speaker 1: that's the case for you?
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was my experience. I you know, the ambitions
Speaker 5: that I had before all of a sudden had a timeline.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: It was like my my Tani and I knew that
Speaker 5: we wanted our kids to be raised speaking todayl Mali,
Speaker 5: especially if they're being raised here in Alta, and so.
Speaker 6: That was always like, yeah, that'll be great. One day,
Speaker 6: we'll do that.
Speaker 5: Once I had my baby, we were like whoa, Like
Speaker 5: we actually need to learn now because now they're going
Speaker 5: to be growing. My son's going to be too years
Speaker 5: old soon and we still don't know how to speak.
Speaker 5: And so that it really put a timeline on some
Speaker 5: of these ambitions that we're always carried but got to
Speaker 5: action them.
Speaker 1: Did you and know how to call it?
Speaker 4: Not at all?
Speaker 6: Not at all.
Speaker 5: No, we both didn't grow up very immersed in our
Speaker 5: Maldi tongue or in towel Mali at all. Really, I
Speaker 5: was a lot closer to my son one side, grew
Speaker 5: up in South Auckland, a lot closer with like my
Speaker 5: mum's side of the family and my upbringing, so I
Speaker 5: was always very exposed to that side, but not really
Speaker 5: to my Maldi side. So we got to learn that together.
Speaker 1: Oh that's so beautiful. And to learn together with your
Speaker 1: comedy key as.
Speaker 6: Well, exactly exactly.
Speaker 5: So it's been a really cool experience. And then like
Speaker 5: my siblings have been learning so wid learning together.
Speaker 1: That's what it's all about. Growing up in South Auckland,
Speaker 1: south Side Ade.
Speaker 5: So our family home is in Autara, that's all is
Speaker 5: going to be home the brave.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And then like I've lived everywhere like mangoted Papa Toy
Speaker 5: Toy really went to Papa Too North Primary School, Cagley
Speaker 5: Intermediate and then shot us over the Central or hung
Speaker 5: High School. I think all the South Aukland parents had
Speaker 5: the same idea. They were like, we're going to send our.
Speaker 4: Kids to a good school.
Speaker 5: It was basically a South Side Anyway Browns, you know.
Speaker 6: But it was Yeah, it was a cool experience.
Speaker 1: You, of course, are proud to be Maudi and someone.
Speaker 1: What are your favorite things about your upbringing and the
Speaker 1: South Side.
Speaker 5: I love South Auckland like I love I love the
Speaker 5: food and the food prices. I think there are just
Speaker 5: certain I don't know, it's like, you know, okay, this
Speaker 5: sounds bad, but like the smell of burning rubbish. There's
Speaker 5: like certain sins that really brings take you back, seeing
Speaker 5: like the banana.
Speaker 6: Trees, or like harrow leaves and people's.
Speaker 5: Gardens, seeing bright colored houses, the dairies, like you see
Speaker 5: people on this with their sirens and like outside whipping
Speaker 5: their ear, love lovers, like there are so many beautiful
Speaker 5: cultural I think that is so South Aukland. That's almost
Speaker 5: like you do see little bits of that in the
Speaker 5: islands back in some wore, but it's like South Auckland fight,
Speaker 5: you know, like it's such a culture. I think in
Speaker 5: South Aukland that I'm so proud to have been raised in. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and I think to like, having lived a lot of
Speaker 5: my adult life now more Central. Every time I go back,
Speaker 5: it's just there's nothing like home. There's nothing like those
Speaker 5: sounds or smells or people or yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I lived in Ellieslie for a while, and I
Speaker 3: think because I grew up in Money, they were like
Speaker 3: same home, same street, everything, my whole life. Those like
Speaker 3: motifs of like South Aakland life were like normal to me.
Speaker 3: So I kind of almost took it for granted a
Speaker 3: little bit, obviously, always so proud to be from South Oakland,
Speaker 3: so proud to be from to six seven all day.
Speaker 3: But I didn't realize until I left to go to Elsie,
Speaker 3: which is quite central and the areas of him was
Speaker 3: quite white, and then realizing like, oh my god, those
Speaker 3: are the things that have made me me without even
Speaker 3: realizing it. And I felt like I grew up really
Speaker 3: disconnected to my culture, when actually I don't think I did. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I was actually really blessed to see my culture every day.
Speaker 3: Maybe I just didn't recognize it at the time. So
Speaker 3: when I did eventually move back to Money deal it it.
Speaker 4: Was just like.
Speaker 3: It was like an ex Yeah, everything is right again.
Speaker 5: The fences are not so high, like there's just something
Speaker 5: very communal. Guys, we have a really good tolerance for noise.
Speaker 6: I'll tell you what. Living Central Auckland, these neighbors, I
Speaker 6: could sneeze and it's too loud.
Speaker 4: It is really ridiculous.
Speaker 5: I'm trying so hard. My family show it so hard
Speaker 5: to be like really quiet, and still we get noise complaints.
Speaker 5: I'm like, guys, you clearly did not grow up. And
Speaker 5: on a Friday it doesn't stop.
Speaker 6: Monday.
Speaker 1: Just the other night, I me and my two flatties,
Speaker 1: each of us in our rooms we are blasting our
Speaker 1: own music. So in one room there was like Kendrick
Speaker 1: Klemar and then the other room was the Nolan sisters,
Speaker 1: and then the other room was Debrah Cox and it's
Speaker 1: just like three loud ass the noise, different songs.
Speaker 5: I love that the island mixes, you know that you're
Speaker 5: blasting at the flea markets. There's just so many cool
Speaker 5: things about South Auckland. I love it so much. Got me,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, so familiar, it's not one word,
Speaker 5: and you know, yeah, you know, you know where you
Speaker 5: are and then you look up.
Speaker 4: You're kind of.
Speaker 3: Already spoken to this. But growing up, did you always
Speaker 3: feel like you valued both sides of your ancestry? I
Speaker 3: mean you said that you let you linked more into
Speaker 3: your palm one ness growing up? Was that intentional or
Speaker 3: did it just happen that way.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I you know, it was definitely a journey
Speaker 5: me learning how to love my Maldy self. And I think,
Speaker 5: honestly that was just because I was raising a time
Speaker 5: where what I was seeing on TV. I think when
Speaker 5: you're not connected to your Maldi side, you don't have
Speaker 5: your family to inform you about what being Maldi means,
Speaker 5: then you kind of get your reference points from TV
Speaker 5: or from the news, and unfortunately, what I was seeing
Speaker 5: was not great things, and so I always felt like
Speaker 5: being Maldy was like the butt of the joke, you know,
Speaker 5: And I really did struggle to learn how to love
Speaker 5: that side of myself, and I probably didn't start that until,
Speaker 5: to be honest, like the end of high school. I
Speaker 5: was always really proud to be someone, but it was
Speaker 5: really hard for me to accept and love being Maldi.
Speaker 5: Now I adore that part of me, and like, what's
Speaker 5: really caused my sons they just think being Maldy is
Speaker 5: the coolest thing. They look at their dad who has
Speaker 5: a mataora, and to them that it's like the epitome
Speaker 5: of handsomeness. That's what they want. And it's so healing
Speaker 5: because as a child I could never see the beauty
Speaker 5: in that and now to see my own kids thinking
Speaker 5: that that is the epitome of beauty is very healing.
Speaker 5: I think for little girl Jordan, who had had a
Speaker 5: hard time with.
Speaker 3: That, Gosh, that's so special. Motherhood was almost like healing
Speaker 3: your in a child.
Speaker 6: Yeah, a little bit. Motherhood is teaching me how unregulated
Speaker 6: I am.
Speaker 3: As I feel like also, Pacific communities are still really
Speaker 3: bad at Oh, we might have to cut this outher episode,
Speaker 3: but it's still really bad allies to Mardy communities. And
Speaker 3: often I think because I can think of like my
Speaker 3: dad's generation came to New Zealand and we're like, oh, well,
Speaker 3: we see that being Maldi is like bad, so we
Speaker 3: shouldn't be like them, and in fact we should like
Speaker 3: treat Maldi like shit.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: And I feel like, at least for a lot of
Speaker 3: my friends who have that shared fuck papa through the
Speaker 3: like the Islands and also here in out Theodore, it's
Speaker 3: a process of like unlearning that racism as well, because
Speaker 3: oftentimes they've just been subjected to these really false narratives,
Speaker 3: often from both sides of the fucker Papa that has
Speaker 3: really harmed them in their cultural journey.
Speaker 5: Yeah for sure, Yeah, I think so too, and it's
Speaker 5: all like we're all in the rat race, yeah, and
Speaker 5: everyone's just hustling trying to get their food. And if
Speaker 5: someone else, you know, if the big boss are saying,
Speaker 5: oh that's your enemy, of course you want to look
Speaker 5: across and you're going to do whatever you can tell
Speaker 5: each other to get ahead. So I think it's been
Speaker 5: unlearning that we actually we're actually on the same team exactly,
Speaker 5: you know, and we that our freedom is all of
Speaker 5: our freedom, freedom for Maldi, and alter's actually freedom for everyone.
Speaker 3: In one hundred one a big big learning for me
Speaker 3: in the past year. I work in like a bilingual
Speaker 3: community hub, and so speaking to still Maudi as normal,
Speaker 3: we live in TiO Mahdi. That is the world we
Speaker 3: live in when we come to ma He And for me,
Speaker 3: learning that TiO Maudi accept everyone, the whole person, your
Speaker 3: whole fucking papa everything has been really special because it's
Speaker 3: I showed me that Pakia not that they're at odds,
Speaker 3: but has often made me feel like I need to
Speaker 3: strip parts of myself in order to be okay in
Speaker 3: different rooms. So to be within our Maudi is actually
Speaker 3: a really positive thing. I think for a lot of
Speaker 3: Pacific communities and we need to embrace that more because I've.
Speaker 6: Never felt so whole.
Speaker 3: I never felt so like accepted as a whole human
Speaker 3: being before in a way that I just haven't in
Speaker 3: other rooms or in taur Pakia. Yeah beautiful, absolutely my tangent.
Speaker 6: That's so good.
Speaker 1: Nah. Yeah. I can also testify to that because like
Speaker 1: being in the space and with the reach that we
Speaker 1: have and the platform that we own, it's important for
Speaker 1: me to celebrate the Mahdi, and with that, I'm able
Speaker 1: to celebrate every other aspect of myself as well. Like
Speaker 1: it has made celebrating myself so much easier, like tapping
Speaker 1: into I don't know, things as simple as speaking on
Speaker 1: ear like is helpful for every community hearing themselves.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, totally.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just making more room, may just going. It's
Speaker 5: I guess, breaking down the false narrative that there's only
Speaker 5: enough room for you know, a certain amount of languages,
Speaker 5: like nah, it's not, there's an infinite amount of spaces. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I guess that's kind of a theme on
Speaker 3: your song Haylove, which I was telling you be whore
Speaker 3: we started recording, is like one of the most favorite
Speaker 3: songs of all time, and you're just speaking about how
Speaker 3: I'm regulated, how that song regulates me.
Speaker 1: Girl, I love it.
Speaker 3: I'm like, well, I can breathe, That's crazy. I can
Speaker 3: breathe and I can cry.
Speaker 4: Well, I love that for me.
Speaker 3: But what kind of things are you thinking when you're
Speaker 3: writing I guess songs like Haylove, but other songs that
Speaker 3: you've put out about real reclamation and like loving your
Speaker 3: whole self?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that they really do come from that experience,
Speaker 5: you know, reclaiming and facing all of those identity questions
Speaker 5: that you know, not having a familiarity with who you are,
Speaker 5: or feeling like, oh, my pronunciation should be so much better,
Speaker 5: you know, just like the practical things about reclaiming.
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I just think that I'm not the only one experiencing
Speaker 5: these and like, what's something that people would.
Speaker 6: Want to know how to do?
Speaker 5: Our ancestors look at us on our reclamation journeys, the
Speaker 5: ones who thought that speaking Mali was going to take
Speaker 5: us nowhere, Like what would they observe now that we're
Speaker 5: seeing the reclamation? And honestly, like my full time money
Speaker 5: is basically being Maldi and speaking to tell Maldi and
Speaker 5: using it in songs, and it's such a flip side
Speaker 5: to what the narrative was. So I guess I just
Speaker 5: try and add I think hope is really important, Like
Speaker 5: it's really important for us to hope, because life is
Speaker 5: honestly a bit terrible for a lot of people, and yeah,
Speaker 5: really awful and trying to navigate a lot of these spaces,
Speaker 5: you know, trying to reclaim while you're trying to pay
Speaker 5: the bills and raise your kids and just do really
Speaker 5: practical things. It's so like pay for the groceries. It's
Speaker 5: just life can just be really hard. Living is really hard,
Speaker 5: and so I always feel like if I can offer
Speaker 5: some hope or a little window of like peace for people,
Speaker 5: I enjoy writing songs because songs anyone who's who's working
Speaker 5: any job at any point can consume music and it
Speaker 5: can mean whatever it needs to mean for them. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and it's not the same as me trying to sell
Speaker 5: like a different lifestyle that's actually.
Speaker 1: Not everyone.
Speaker 6: Financial, free, free.
Speaker 1: Yourself Flights of the Gold Coats Jordan. How did you
Speaker 1: start off in songwriting and music? Has it always been
Speaker 1: a passion of yours? What's there a point that you thought, Okay,
Speaker 1: so we're actually going to start making something of We're
Speaker 1: going to reach out to these people, try and get
Speaker 1: this putia to make this song.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, So I had.
Speaker 5: Not to bring the mood down, but like I had,
Speaker 5: I had gone through a miscarriage experience, and I was
Speaker 5: finding it really hard to process all of it because,
Speaker 5: like you know, with miscarriage, it's like, Okay, you miscarried,
Speaker 5: and then you go back to work.
Speaker 3: Like that's just it. What do you mean, there's no
Speaker 3: nothing else.
Speaker 5: It's like when you have a headache, Like it's like
Speaker 5: you stay away from work for like a couple of
Speaker 5: days and then you go back and you just straight
Speaker 5: back into it. Yeah, but there's a whole Like my
Speaker 5: body was really it was not okay. My hormones were
Speaker 5: all over the place, my mental health was really unwell.
Speaker 5: And for me, the only way that I could feel
Speaker 5: like I was taking a control of it was through songwriting.
Speaker 5: And I wanted it to be a fool. I suppose
Speaker 5: I was looking at it like Teacuger, like let's do
Speaker 5: step one, step two, and I wanted to. I just
Speaker 5: used my own money a to I used the credit
Speaker 5: card to you know, pay for a producer to produce
Speaker 5: this whole song, so that it had a start and
Speaker 5: a finish and it was like a full on process,
Speaker 5: physical process that I could go through. That to me
Speaker 5: was an outlet, so I wasn't just harboring all of
Speaker 5: the feelings that were just really odd in relation to
Speaker 5: that experience. So then once I had that song out,
Speaker 5: people responded to it, which was weird. I didn't make
Speaker 5: it for anyone really, I just made it as a
Speaker 5: part of this process that was going to be helpful
Speaker 5: to me. But once I was getting responses like that,
Speaker 5: I was like, oh, I've got another song like in
Speaker 5: my back pocket. So then I applied for funding and yeah,
Speaker 5: I've just been building on that momentum. So it wasn't
Speaker 5: like I didn't really decide to pursue it as a career.
Speaker 5: It just sort of naturally happened. And then I've really
Speaker 5: jumped on that wave, I think.
Speaker 1: So it was just initially an avenue for you to
Speaker 1: channel all this emotion through.
Speaker 6: Yeah, wow, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Did you feel healed after that songwriting process putting that
Speaker 1: first change?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 5: I feel like what I wanted was to be able
Speaker 5: to birth a child initially, but that couldn't happen. So
Speaker 5: then I ended up bringing something else to life, and
Speaker 5: in a really weird way, this has really taken on
Speaker 5: a life of its own. So it's very to me.
Speaker 5: It's a really meaningful way to see a life lived
Speaker 5: out that I had to mourn, you know, yeah, because
Speaker 5: I had to mourn that it was over, but it
Speaker 5: kind of was a catalyst for a different kind of life.
Speaker 5: So yeah, it's very full circle, and you know, it's
Speaker 5: still It doesn't make it any less hurtful that that happened,
Speaker 5: but it is I think a cool little picture that
Speaker 5: it's just life, a like, you have these awful things
Speaker 5: that sometimes happened, and life keeps moving on, and sometimes
Speaker 5: you can utilize your experiences. They don't have to be
Speaker 5: wasted or they don't have to just sit there as
Speaker 5: like a stab to you like you can you can
Speaker 5: really use them and keep pushing yourself forward.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Did you always make music with the intention of making
Speaker 3: music and el mahudi or did it? Was it just
Speaker 3: kind of like the two passions came together.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I think because I was learning to deal maldi, it
Speaker 5: was just a natural thing that I was doing. So
Speaker 5: then of course it was informing my songwriting and that's
Speaker 5: become a really normal like my at home we mostly
Speaker 5: speak Maldie and a lot of my life is spent
Speaker 5: in a lot of real Maldi spaces, so it just
Speaker 5: makes a lot of sense. It's a real natural thing
Speaker 5: that I then write songs in teal Maldi or bilingual songs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's so special.
Speaker 1: Would you say it was easier to learn tereo Maudi
Speaker 1: given their are similarities between Teo and Namasamo.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think two.
Speaker 5: Like I went to Corhungo when I was little, Okay,
Speaker 5: so a lot of it was kind of already planted. Yeah,
Speaker 5: it felt like a remembering, just remembering certain sentence structures
Speaker 5: and because my mouth fit around a lot of the
Speaker 5: words really nicely, and so that was cool. And I
Speaker 5: think just singing, like learning to tell Mauldi songs when
Speaker 5: I was little, it was really helpful for pronunciation. But yeah,
Speaker 5: there's definitely a lot of similarities and and lots of
Speaker 5: Pacific Island languages too.
Speaker 6: Did you grow up speaking someone?
Speaker 5: No, So my nana would always speak to me and someone,
Speaker 5: so I could understand a lot. Yeah, but I couldn't
Speaker 5: like hard out form. I can say like certain sayings, yeah,
Speaker 5: you know, but I don't understand the structures of sentences
Speaker 5: or anything. I can't break it down in the same
Speaker 5: way that I can break it down into deal maldi. Yeah,
Speaker 5: but that'll change, that has me in five years.
Speaker 3: And yeah it'll be fluent. This podcast will be and
Speaker 3: you're gonna sound what.
Speaker 1: That helps. We always talk about this, ya, try and grow.
Speaker 4: We're really trying.
Speaker 1: We're trying to do the classes. Life just.
Speaker 5: Extra time may like there's more time out of your
Speaker 5: already busy schedules, but we get there.
Speaker 3: We will get there, man. And I always like our
Speaker 3: pronunciation is good. It's just the like committing to speaking
Speaker 3: and the sentence structure and everything.
Speaker 5: It's the speaking and you know, it's like the intonations,
Speaker 5: it's the like the melody yes, because my mom is
Speaker 5: my mom is a someon on bord lady and she
Speaker 5: never lets me forget it, like you sound like a
Speaker 5: bilogging when.
Speaker 4: You say then.
Speaker 5: You know there's a certain like melody that and you
Speaker 5: can really tell the difference. So I'm like, Mom, we've
Speaker 5: got to be kind to each other. But apparently kindness
Speaker 5: is not.
Speaker 4: Not extended the mad situation.
Speaker 1: When I was the last time you went back to.
Speaker 5: Someone twenty sixteen, I was there for a for a
Speaker 5: family reunion, and at that time, my Nana was still
Speaker 5: alive with us, so it was like a really beautiful
Speaker 5: family reunion and she got to take us everywhere that
Speaker 5: she grew up and all of that. So I'm like,
Speaker 5: I'm a little bit I'm a little bit hesitant to
Speaker 5: go back without her, but I definitely need to. I
Speaker 5: need to take my boys back to the to the
Speaker 5: homeland and let them be experiencing it as they're growing
Speaker 5: up as well.
Speaker 3: Going back to the whyare's a chats? Is there a
Speaker 3: favorite whites of yours that you have at the moment? Oh,
Speaker 3: that's so hard, So I try to pick your favorite kid.
Speaker 3: We've just written, like literally a couple of days ago.
Speaker 3: We just worked on the focus track for my album,
Speaker 3: so it'll be like with wires to anthems as well.
Speaker 3: And I don't know, there's something about it that that
Speaker 3: it just encapsulates I think a lot of who I
Speaker 3: am and what my kind of full stop is, you know,
Speaker 3: about love and justice.
Speaker 6: It kind of feels like all of that. So it's yeah,
Speaker 6: I can't say what it's called, but.
Speaker 4: I'll tell you We're Yeah, Wait, I couldnot wait.
Speaker 1: Jordan, tell us about only An, You've hopped on as
Speaker 1: one of the writers for season three. Just recently, it's
Speaker 1: been a club that's been circular circulating around social.
Speaker 3: Jeffy wid YEA so good.
Speaker 4: I love it.
Speaker 5: You guys take the culture, really get it, like you know,
Speaker 5: you know, yeah, it was incredible because I'm not a
Speaker 5: qualified writer or anything like that. I just am an
Speaker 5: idiot online and so you know, I got hit up
Speaker 5: by one of their head writers and was able to
Speaker 5: join the story. So I feel like that was me
Speaker 5: going to school, Like I was really learning a lot
Speaker 5: about writing and about how to translate your own like
Speaker 5: it could be a great idea, but then writing it
Speaker 5: out and like fleshing it out into a decent storyline
Speaker 5: is it's a whole other skill. So I feel like
Speaker 5: I just got to learn from the best, like funniest
Speaker 5: working there in the game. And I just feel so
Speaker 5: lucky to be a part of the project. And I
Speaker 5: saw the first episode. Honestly, it's so funny. It's so funny.
Speaker 6: Do you don't real?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I often find when I'm writing, I don't like to
Speaker 3: share it with other people.
Speaker 4: I don't know if you're the same.
Speaker 3: But did you ever have any moments of like imposter
Speaker 3: syndrome and how did you like overcome that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, my whole life is impossible.
Speaker 5: My whole life, I keep saying, or like I just
Speaker 5: line on my CV everything.
Speaker 3: I do anything, I just have here, what the hell?
Speaker 5: I definitely I always have imposter syndrome. I always feel
Speaker 5: like I'm not qualified to be in the room. Yeah,
Speaker 5: but I've just learned to make friends with that tunny fie,
Speaker 5: Like it's just it is what it is. I think
Speaker 5: they're just opportunities for learning. Like I'm not trying to
Speaker 5: be the best in the room or anything. I'm just
Speaker 5: trying to learn and be the best meat.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I mean the only thing I'm comparing.
Speaker 5: Myself to is how I was six months ago and
Speaker 5: my own timeline. So it's like, what an incredible opportunity
Speaker 5: to be sitting with women who are one incredibly funny,
Speaker 5: amazing storytellers and Jordan and so I just felt like, yeah,
Speaker 5: I just felt so privileged to even be a part
Speaker 5: of the project and to feel like I had some
Speaker 5: stories to offer and experiences to offer, and yeah.
Speaker 3: I love that so good.
Speaker 1: Go watch it now. Stream it on for or Maudi
Speaker 1: plus before you go, Jordan, Also, how are you feeling
Speaker 1: ahead off the Music Awards for Artists and Manadio?
Speaker 3: So excited you so god, I feel I'm so excited, but.
Speaker 6: I'm so nervous.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we're performing as well with the at the AMA,
Speaker 5: so I'm like so excited for that. You know, performing
Speaker 5: with like crowds is so fun, but then performing in
Speaker 5: front of artists who like.
Speaker 6: Do this for a living really.
Speaker 3: Pressure.
Speaker 6: So but it'll be fun. I know it'll be fun.
Speaker 5: It'll just it's another amazing, incredible moment and everyone else
Speaker 5: in those categories are like amazing multi music is winning.
Speaker 5: Honestly lucky to be considered alongside all of those incredible artists.
Speaker 1: So cool, love all those names.
Speaker 6: So fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, anyone for our people is like, you know, that's
Speaker 1: what we want.
Speaker 4: What are you doing?
Speaker 3: I don't know if I'm okay, but it's a fun
Speaker 3: one okay period. When does this come out in a while?
Speaker 5: Yeah, Oli Banger, that's the one that's that's nominated for the.
Speaker 4: It'll be cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, Jordan, time for our rapid Fire and it's
Speaker 1: just one question we want you to answer. Please your case,
Speaker 1: how about we start off, I don't have one. What
Speaker 1: is the best? Yeah, battle of the.
Speaker 3: Plea?
Speaker 4: You're okay with? Why mariapung i? Ever?
Speaker 3: What is the best ever some won dessert? And why
Speaker 3: mans take the floor?
Speaker 1: Tell lover maay langy mama. Okay. So here's what I
Speaker 1: think is the best ever salmon dessert. I'm gonna have
Speaker 1: to go with byefulla bye falla, you know, starting off
Speaker 1: with that base, nice and buttery, mold in your mouth, flaky,
Speaker 1: and then the custard, pineapple custard. Someone's are smart? Where
Speaker 1: else in the world are you here? Are you hearing
Speaker 1: and seeing and tasting pineapple custard? And then on top,
Speaker 1: either you can go cream or the ogs went with meringue,
Speaker 1: and meringue you put on top, and I like the meringue,
Speaker 1: but also you could do cream with peaches and peanuts.
Speaker 1: But yum, sweet, nutty, earthy. You're getting all the sensations.
Speaker 1: Impair it with a cup of coco some more.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I hate cocoo some, but I love cockle. I
Speaker 3: don't might focus somewhat and that's okay.
Speaker 1: What is it about it?
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe it's trauma having to prepare it?
Speaker 6: Do you not like the bits of.
Speaker 3: I think texture, yeah, because I might be on the
Speaker 3: spectrum and you know the picture things. Sorry, Okay, do
Speaker 3: you feel like you your case? Okay, Jordan take the floor.
Speaker 6: Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna go with a classic.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 6: We're going with Bunny boot.
Speaker 5: Because I feel like bunky bootball just slaps, doesn't matter
Speaker 5: where you are, doesn't matter, summer, winter, wherever you are.
Speaker 4: Any time of day.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that was either cock or cup of tea, doesn't matter.
Speaker 5: Like, if it's a good bunky bootball, then you know
Speaker 5: your whole soul is being fed.
Speaker 1: Yes, you could have it.
Speaker 6: You could have it on its own.
Speaker 5: You could have it on the side, like come on, come,
Speaker 5: and you can support so many small businesses out there
Speaker 5: that are now making bunny make it yourself because I
Speaker 5: can't make it.
Speaker 1: They'll teach you.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 3: Oh both so good, two of my favorite foods in
Speaker 3: the whole wide world. But I think just for like
Speaker 3: the versatility, the readyness, the availability of it, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: have to go Bunny. But yeah, and like you can
Speaker 3: just you can heat it up. You don't know, it
Speaker 3: doesn't need to be heated up. You can you can
Speaker 3: have it cold with the cup and sea like, you know,
Speaker 3: come on, but it is delicious. So yeah, it's a
Speaker 3: very close race.
Speaker 1: We would have bought, we would have had, but you know,
Speaker 1: we are we are, so we can.
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, thank you so much Jordan for joining us. Where
Speaker 3: can the peoples find you on the instagrams and the spotifies.
Speaker 6: Anywhere is Jordan with a y w h y beautiful?
Speaker 4: Thank you so much, sirs.
Speaker 6: Thank you for having this so fun.
Speaker 1: Before you go, is Jordan's actually your real name?
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, I'm Rebecca.
Speaker 4: It's Diane actually Karen Curly.
Speaker 6: That's actually my.
Speaker 1: Favorite and that was the episode.
Speaker 4: That was the episode.
Speaker 1: I was trying to come up in my mind with
Speaker 1: a bridges and reference, you know how, what's her name?
Speaker 1: Lady whistled?
Speaker 3: Lady whistle up?
Speaker 1: Like, oh gentlest reader, God.
Speaker 4: Thank god you're not in the studio with that.
Speaker 1: One. Yeah, but.
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, I was giving four DS.
Speaker 3: Sorry, I'm so sorry, speaking of four DS.
Speaker 4: We'll see you guys next week.
Speaker 3: Bye.