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Speaker 1: So after the closure of the tonguey Wai mill in

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Speaker 1: the Ruapehu district, forestry company Earnslaw has found a way

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Speaker 1: to sorry ernsaw Won has found a way to continue

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Speaker 1: production and keep its contractors in work. You see, the

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Speaker 1: unswol used to take the logs to the pulp and

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Speaker 1: paper mill, used to be made into pulp of paper

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Speaker 1: and then you know stuff actually ended out coming on

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Speaker 1: in anyway, what's happened is they have struck a deal

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Speaker 1: with Kiwi Rail and Napier Port where log trains now

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Speaker 1: run five days a week on the Napier Parmiston North line,

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Speaker 1: dropping off six hundred tons of unprocessed logs, but the

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Speaker 1: still exploitable to Napier Port. In doing this it removes

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Speaker 1: twenty one logging trucks off the road. If you know

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Speaker 1: your Hawk's Bay, you know that locals have long said

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Speaker 1: why do we always have logging trucks slamming through Hastings

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Speaker 1: and through through Napier to get to be shipped off.

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Speaker 1: So this is a this is a good idea. Napier

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Speaker 1: Port Chief Executive Officer Todd Dawson and Kiwi Rail Executive

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Speaker 1: General Manager of Freight Markets Alan Paper joins me. Now

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Speaker 1: Ted and Allen. Hello Andrew, here's the other one that Andrew. No,

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Speaker 1: just checking I had two of you, Todd, Todd, we

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Speaker 1: will we will start with you from Napier Port. How

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Speaker 1: did this deal come to be?

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Speaker 2: Well, look, it's it's a great deal, and it's it's

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Speaker 2: come about through I guess, some really good collaboration amongst

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Speaker 2: the parties that have been involved into little one, Kiwi Rail,

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Speaker 2: ourselves and McCarthy's transport. You know, it's a logical solution

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Speaker 2: for for the movement of logs through the through the

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Speaker 2: port takes as you said, you know, it takes a

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Speaker 2: lot of trucks off the road that are damaging the

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Speaker 2: roads and things like that too. So just a lot

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Speaker 2: of work and and logic being applied and some good

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Speaker 2: collaboration amongst the interested parties to make it happen, which

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Speaker 2: is really awesome to see.

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Speaker 1: How big a change is it though, to go from

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Speaker 1: receiving process to process would and with timber, lumber and

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Speaker 1: pulp to receiving big old logs at the port.

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Speaker 2: It was a fair bit of change, a fear bit

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Speaker 2: of change at both ends a supply chain, both up

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Speaker 2: and tangy way and also in general there's a lot

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Speaker 2: less moving parts involved than moving the lots of trained

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Speaker 2: There are more touch points in terms of moving logs

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Speaker 2: straight out of the bush on trains through to the fort,

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Speaker 2: but versus there as you're asking around the pulp versus cinema.

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Speaker 2: It's a little less complex actually, So it's a bit

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Speaker 2: of change, but nothing that's not manageable.

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Speaker 1: And where are the logs being shipped to? Who takes

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Speaker 2: All of the majority of New Zealand's logs in general

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Speaker 2: go up to China probably bet not even send them

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Speaker 2: go up to China, and the rest of them to

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Speaker 2: various different parts of the world.

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Speaker 1: Let's go to keep me well, Alan, there must have

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Speaker 1: been a no brainer. I mean, you've got rid of trucks,

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Speaker 1: you put them on trains.

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Speaker 3: Yes's fantastic. Look, it's going to put about the nineteen wagons,

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Speaker 3: probably up to one hundred and twenty thousand tons a year.

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Speaker 3: That allows for the sort of break, the harvesting break,

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Speaker 3: the cruise. The hard working crews have sort of December January,

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Speaker 3: so we're just picking it up. We placed nineteen wagons today,

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Speaker 3: we'll go back tomorrow. They'll be loaded overnight we'll pick

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Speaker 3: up nineteen tomorrow and we'll put another nineteen empty wagons

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Speaker 3: ready for the following day. So yeah, we're really great

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Speaker 3: to see the circuit of logs back on the rail networks.

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Speaker 1: Fantastic And did you have enough rolling stock and also

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Speaker 3: No, it wasn't. We were already running trains previously up

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Speaker 3: wagons that we could repurpose and for the log traffic.

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Speaker 3: So yep, it was easy enough to do and really

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Speaker 3: pleased to kick things off today, which is great.

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Speaker 1: From Kerry Rowl's point of view. How does this benefit

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Speaker 3: Well? As Todd said, and working with Andy Watson who's

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Speaker 3: the shared concern was that the logging trucks going over

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Speaker 3: even further. Even even the McCarthy's is the log transporter.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, it was really a great opportunity to get

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Speaker 3: round the table find out a solution between ourselves. You know,

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Speaker 3: McCarthy's tied at the port and install one. Get this

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Speaker 3: moving and look at what it's going to do. Is

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Speaker 3: a save a whole lot of maintenance for the district

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Speaker 3: council that they were very clear that they couldn't afford.

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Speaker 3: So I think it's a great outcome around us as

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Speaker 3: well as the public lest trucks up and down that road.

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Speaker 1: Well done, gentlemen, on your creativity. Tod can I can

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Speaker 1: I ask you a question though I understand that wins

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Speaker 1: and Peters has been stiffing around the port that I

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Speaker 1: understand that wins and Peters believes it might be a

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Speaker 1: good place to put the inter Island. Can you confirm

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Speaker 2: Oh, look, I think there's a little bit of a

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Speaker 2: misalignment of information there. I'm certainly not the interapp is

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Speaker 2: not considering taking the inter Isla and intern into the port.

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Speaker 1: Would certainly be you be interested in more freight traveling

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Speaker 1: between the islands coming through your port, Oh for sure.

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Speaker 2: I mean have been quite vocal about our views on

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Speaker 2: what we think should be a solution for the inter

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Speaker 2: islander in Wellington. And there's a lot of cost associated

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Speaker 2: a terminal site there that is well suited to the

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Speaker 2: earthquake conditions and a lot of work already been done

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Speaker 2: to it. So we think that actually overall a lot

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Speaker 2: of money could be saved for New Zealand if there

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Speaker 2: was some decisions made about the location of where the

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Speaker 2: winter roland a Fairy ultimately goes in Wellington?

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Speaker 1: Is that true, Ellen, I mean, because that's the whole thing.

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Speaker 1: The kay Farla Farta Don in Wellington was actually quite

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Speaker 1: prone to the earthquakes. Is the container wharf a bit

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Speaker 1: more solid?

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Speaker 3: Look, I'm no engineering expert. I guess what I would

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Speaker 3: say is I think the Minister of Finance and the

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Speaker 3: new Minister of Rail made that comment before Christmas. It

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Speaker 3: looked they're going to use the next two or three

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Speaker 3: months to really work that through and come up with

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Speaker 3: a decision later this year. So look, we just wait

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Speaker 1: Well, both of you, gentlemen, have been fantastic company and

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Speaker 1: I thank you so much. For your time Today, from

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Speaker 1: Napier Port the chief executive Officer Todd Dawson, and from

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Speaker 1: Kiwi Round the executive General Manager of Freight Markets Alan Piper.

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