1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,200 Speaker 1: Now we're back sadly into the next and n ainxsty 2 00:00:02,240 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 1: world of public pay negotiations as the primary teachers are 3 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 1: heading to the negotiating table when the ndz EI says 4 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 1: it will get paid back for the pay equity cuts. 5 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: Apparently Judith Collins is of course, the Minister for Public 6 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: Service and is well, it's very good morning to you. 7 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:17,480 Speaker 2: Oh good morning, Mike. 8 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: Is this the big pay equity test? Is this what 9 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:21,079 Speaker 1: this is shaping up to be? 10 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 2: Well, I think the unions were making it very clear 11 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 2: well before the pay issue came back on to the 12 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 2: agenda that they were pretty much going to make life 13 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 2: very difficult for the New Zealand taxpayer in the government. 14 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:39,879 Speaker 2: And we expect that there will be quite a lot 15 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 2: of strike action, but we're hoping that some common sense 16 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 2: will come through because you know, the primary school teachers 17 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 2: you just mentioned with eight years experience, I'm told they 18 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 2: can earn one hundred and fifteen thousand compluting experience allowances. 19 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 2: And of course it's the twelve weeks each year when 20 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 2: the schools are closed, so you know it's not it is. 21 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 1: It's glad you're moving the numbers because a couple of 22 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:05,959 Speaker 1: the numbers I've learned of late as nurses in this 23 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: country earn well into six figures and teachers do too, 24 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 1: and I'm not sure there as many New Zealanders as 25 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: much as we love teachers and we do that would go. 26 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:18,040 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, that's good money. 27 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 2: Well, nurse today for six years and more experienced one 28 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 2: hundred and twenty thousand, one hundred and twenty nine obviously 29 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 2: includes allowances over time penal rates, but a lot of 30 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 2: people in their sole businesses or so traders, they don't 31 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:37,679 Speaker 2: get anything for allowances over time peneral rates. So I 32 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 2: think it's a pretty good salary. And I think what 33 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:43,400 Speaker 2: it does say is that nurses are very much respected 34 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 2: by the not the government, by New Zealander. 35 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: As far as the teacher numbers are concerned, and we 36 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: had Erica Stanford on big boom in numbers. Does the 37 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 1: fact that we're not desperately short of teachers anymore partially 38 00:01:57,600 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 1: negate that argument as well? 39 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 2: Yes, so, because what I think we've found is that 40 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 2: over the years it's very easy to have a mentor 41 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 2: out there such as no nurses deserve more or teachers 42 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 2: wonderful and that's all pay them more but without any 43 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 2: facts being there. But it is really clear when you 44 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 2: look at it that these are good salaries for professional 45 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 2: people who are trying to do their best in their work. 46 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 2: And I think that they are. I mean, look when 47 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 2: they see school principles up to two hundred ninety thousand 48 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 2: a year and twelve weeks every year when the schools 49 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 2: are closed. No, it's not bad. 50 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, Well keep preaching that message. Would you rather 51 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 1: be talking about pay negotiations or space or the military? 52 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 1: Where does that hurk? By the way? And is it 53 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: moving now that some of the airspace might be opening 54 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 1: up a bit? 55 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 2: Yeah? So despite the trolls on social media, just remember 56 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 2: that the circus is one year old. It's moving through 57 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 2: it goes from a certain bases to certain bases, and 58 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 2: it has to operate like that because these are not 59 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 2: airline flights. They're not the one. These are hercules in 60 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 2: military pain. So they do take it a while to 61 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 2: get there, but they're going. Well, and give me one tappy. 62 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 1: So are we going to be getting a lot of 63 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:14,800 Speaker 1: New Zealanders out? And when is that happening? Do we 64 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 1: know yet or not? 65 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 2: Yeah? Well they've been told multiple times now, haven't they 66 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 2: over the months to get the hell out of places 67 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 2: like Iran and Asraell And of course people are going 68 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 2: to need to get themselves to borders unless airspace opens up. 69 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 2: So there's some hope they might be some airspace. But 70 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 2: if people think we're going to be taking hercules into 71 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 2: Iran at the moment, they'd be you know, they'd be dreaming, 72 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 2: wouldn't they. 73 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 1: They would be all right, nice to talk to you, 74 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 1: just appreciate it very much. 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