Speaker 1: You're listening to the Marcus lush Night's podcast from News Talks.
Speaker 2: A'd be.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you one thing about Trump, right, he says
Speaker 3: things that prompt interesting investigations. I've spent some time today
Speaker 3: reading about Alcatraz, because well, he's ordered to reopen it,
Speaker 3: according to the articles. Some articles are saying he has
Speaker 3: announced that Alcatraz will reopen, and some says he's ordered
Speaker 3: it to reopen. Some say that probably was watching Escape
Speaker 3: from Alcatraz on HBO last night and saw that and
Speaker 3: thought that's an idea. But what is staggering to me
Speaker 3: A couple of things about Alcatraz. One, how many prisoners,
Speaker 3: not many. How many prisons Alcatraz hold it held, hold
Speaker 3: it anywhere between two sixty and two seventy five at
Speaker 3: a time, so in terms of the incarcerated American population,
Speaker 3: and that would be almost next to nothing. And I
Speaker 3: don't think it was one of those extremely high security
Speaker 3: presents you'd want to put the extremely high highly dangerous
Speaker 3: people in, because it's not a it's not one of
Speaker 3: those modern prisons where they see in the UNI bomber
Speaker 3: of people, because I've read articles about those, and they're
Speaker 3: in the middle of nowhere, and they are incredibly hard
Speaker 3: to get out of. But Alcatraz, of course, people to
Speaker 3: escape from it. I know about this because I've watched
Speaker 3: episodes of MythBusters and they used and made kind of
Speaker 3: rafts and dummies and all sorts of stuff. And from
Speaker 3: time to time there are articles that say they asked
Speaker 3: it alive and what happened to those people because no
Speaker 3: one quite knows if they got to shore or they
Speaker 3: drowned or eaten by sharks. In fact, I know a
Speaker 3: lot about Alcatraz. Also know about Alcatraz from the America's
Speaker 3: Cup with Peter Lester always saying, oh, that's right. There
Speaker 3: are the lee of the winds behind Alca trees. You
Speaker 3: don't want to go there, or it might have been
Speaker 3: the tide. The lee of the tide behind Olca Trees
Speaker 3: was also something you didn't want to go. And the
Speaker 3: other thing that I'm frstinated about with Alcatraz is that
Speaker 3: it's one of only two prisons in the world that
Speaker 3: also ran a lighthouse. The other one is the prison
Speaker 3: on Bluff Hill in Napier. But the one Bluff Hill,
Speaker 3: I believe, if memory serves me right, was occupied by
Speaker 3: the prison wardens the lighthouse, whereas Alcatraz they had designated
Speaker 3: lighthouse keepers and they were called the Wikis, which I
Speaker 3: quite like, and there was three of them on eight
Speaker 3: hour shifts and they would keep the light burning. There
Speaker 3: is still a lighthouse now in Alcatraz, but it is
Speaker 3: automated and it's just a tourism venue. Brilliant. So all
Speaker 3: that he sees some interesting stuff, not always in a
Speaker 3: good way. And then he dressed as the Pope didn't
Speaker 3: go down well. Some were wondering what he was going
Speaker 3: to do for Star Wars Day, but that didn't have anyway.
Speaker 3: You might have been drug trays. Want to say something
Speaker 3: about that, because I'm in festinated by that. You might
Speaker 3: you might want to go with the whole angle of
Speaker 3: what building in New Zealand would you like reopen? I
Speaker 3: don't think anyone wants any of those old prisons reopen,
Speaker 3: do they They're ghastly. I went to an escape room
Speaker 3: the other day and that President and Eden it was
Speaker 3: quite foreboding. Actually, we're terrifying kind of a place. Put
Speaker 3: us off of scape rooms. Really, it's almost like the
Speaker 3: prisoners had just walked out about a day ago and
Speaker 3: they've retro fitted it but if you want to, maybe
Speaker 3: you've visited Alcatraz recently. Got some interesting facts about that,
Speaker 3: because I'm festinated by that. But just three hundred and
Speaker 3: thirty six visits, prisoners were there in fact over time,
Speaker 3: and Alcatraz right, only fifteen hundred and seventy six prisoners
Speaker 3: were there in the prison's lifetime, including al Capone. But yes,
Speaker 3: that's what Trump's done today, wants to well, he's ordered
Speaker 3: Oatrez to be reopened presidential order, and he's also trying
Speaker 3: to get a one hundred percent tariff on movies. I've
Speaker 3: got no idea how that works, no idea at all.
Speaker 3: I would imagine that's on your price of admission. You'd
Speaker 3: pay twice. Is that right? If your movies were ten bucks,
Speaker 3: you'd pay ten bucks go to the US government. I
Speaker 3: guess that's how it would work. But as Christopher Luxon says,
Speaker 3: let's wait for the details because they are scanned. I'm
Speaker 3: looking through the list of prisoners now that worried Alcatraz.
Speaker 3: Is not many I can remember, although a lot of
Speaker 3: them had nicknames, Basil the al Banghart, Tamoy, Meatball, Kawakita,
Speaker 3: Herbert Allen, Defy Farmer, Joseph Paul Dutch, Kretza, Robert Birdman
Speaker 3: of Alcatraz Stroud. I think we know about him, our
Speaker 3: scarfaced Capo, Irving Wexley, Gordon Wixler, Forest Woody Tucker. Great
Speaker 3: nicknames in prison. Anyway, if you're to talk about that'd
Speaker 3: be fested. If everyone's been to Alcatraz or thinks it's
Speaker 3: a good idea, I don't know why it's a good idea.
Speaker 3: In fact, I don't think it is a good idea.
Speaker 3: It holds so few prisoners. Anyway. Oh, by the way, too,
Speaker 3: let's just acknowledge the Warriors for their victory over the weekend.
Speaker 3: I was at the basketball and I just look at
Speaker 3: my cell phone for updates. Even watching it with just
Speaker 3: the updates was nerve wrecking. I can't believe they managed
Speaker 3: to pull that one off, but well done them for that.
Speaker 3: Quite likely, but of magic rounder the weather was apporting. Anyway,
Speaker 3: get in touch if you want to start the whole
Speaker 3: ball rolling tonight thirteen past date. Shame about McDonald's pocket anger,
Speaker 3: although that fire seems to have closed now, but for
Speaker 3: a long time also too, there was a and I'm
Speaker 3: saying this because these might be things you want to
Speaker 3: talk about earthquake Livin today. There might be some aftershocks
Speaker 3: about that. I don't know how widely felt it was,
Speaker 3: but you might have something to say about that. I'll
Speaker 3: check on geoone for that one. Big on the breaking news.
Speaker 3: You might have some breaking news where you are two
Speaker 3: in the next four hours. Bring that through. Always big
Speaker 3: on the old b in the breaking news. Let me
Speaker 3: just look at those quakes four point one at five
Speaker 3: sixteen ten k's northwest of Levina, the depth of thirty
Speaker 3: six kilometers. So I've seen no subsequent after shocks from
Speaker 3: that yet either either. Anyway, do get in touch eight
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty Teddy and nine two nine to detext
Speaker 3: if you want to start the whole war fast dating
Speaker 3: to about Alchelizic if someone's been there, because I'm sure
Speaker 3: you win one of those tours with festating information about it.
Speaker 3: Now I'm thinking about you. There might be some old
Speaker 3: building in New Zealand you want reopened. I can't imagine
Speaker 3: what that would be. I can't imagine anyone want to
Speaker 3: reopen any of the psychiatric facilities. Are rules all terrifying.
Speaker 3: I think the old prizzoners are well beyond the use
Speaker 3: by date. I'm actually still surprised they managed to keep
Speaker 3: in the cargo or prison open. That must be over
Speaker 3: one hundred years old. Sometimes you go to McDonald's at
Speaker 3: midnight after work, the prison wardens are there having their
Speaker 3: feet It's quite interesting. I think it's when the shift ends.
Speaker 3: Actually it's quite interesting having a prison. Quite often there
Speaker 3: are outside the present of an evening there are partners
Speaker 3: or wives on the street just sort of I don't
Speaker 3: quite know what they're doing, sort of signaling to their
Speaker 3: partners through the windows. It's to an interesting kind of
Speaker 3: fresh on to a city, to have your prison inside
Speaker 3: it where actually can see them in the little windows.
Speaker 3: In fact, one of them told me once my lights
Speaker 3: were left on it subway, which I thought was good mate,
Speaker 3: your lights are on. And I guess what was probably
Speaker 3: a significant thing for their day anyway, fifteen past day,
Speaker 3: looking forward. Duke called here till midnight, oh eight hundred
Speaker 3: and eighty Telly. A lot of other stuff we probably
Speaker 3: need to talk about tonight. I'm not quite sure the
Speaker 3: order that will go with, but I'll take the initiative
Speaker 3: from you if you want to come through, by the way,
Speaker 3: Mother's Day Sunday, second Sunday of May and the new Pope.
Speaker 3: They've got the new chimney in. It'll begin May the seventh.
Speaker 3: What's today, the fifth sixth begins Wednesday. Well, if that
Speaker 3: happens on our show, we'll drop a break in news
Speaker 3: sting and tell you the new pope will be. It'll
Speaker 3: be one of the Italians of the Filipino, I would imagine.
Speaker 3: I did watch a lot of the coverage from SkyTV.
Speaker 3: It was the only channel I could get for the
Speaker 3: coverage of the American election. Boy oh boy with a
Speaker 3: sour faced panel. In fact, they crossed to Albanese's headquarters
Speaker 3: before he arrived, right, And this is how split the media.
Speaker 3: In Australia. There was a couple, an old guy, sort
Speaker 3: of a Colonel Sandal looking guy with a goady beard
Speaker 3: and glasses, and a woman and they walked around the
Speaker 3: gathering of the Labor Party supporters. No one would talk
Speaker 3: to them. It was like watching the Red Sea part.
Speaker 3: They'd walk through there and people were just falling over
Speaker 3: themselves to get away. Here to go figure anyway, here
Speaker 3: to a midnight eight hundred and eighty. Oh, by the way,
Speaker 3: the budget, of course that's happening, not tonight, not tomorrow night, Thursday,
Speaker 3: twenty second of May, so just under three weeks for that. Also,
Speaker 3: so we've got the Pope, we got the Mother's Day,
Speaker 3: we've got the budget. She's going to be a pretty
Speaker 3: busy May. But get in touch. You want to be
Speaker 3: a part of the show. Taty and nine two nine
Speaker 3: to detext looking forward to what you talk about. It
Speaker 3: seems to be a bit of heat on Erica Stanford.
Speaker 3: I think this was a similar thing that happened to
Speaker 3: clear Karen. Also. They started attacking her, chipping away with
Speaker 3: her about the emails, and this seems to be some
Speaker 3: sort of a yeah, I don't know what it is,
Speaker 3: but certainly that seems to have got a lot more
Speaker 3: attention than you probably think it would demand. But go figure,
Speaker 3: that's politics anyway, Get in touch. Eight hundred eighty forty
Speaker 3: five years since The Shining, the scariest movie ever made.
Speaker 3: I always saw it actually in the end of the
Speaker 3: thing that put me off scary movies. That damn one
Speaker 3: with the Anthony Hopkins terrible, terrible, absolutely terrified me. And
Speaker 3: I never really gone back to scary movies since. Absolutely
Speaker 3: terrifying because almost but I don't even know if you
Speaker 3: call it a horror movie, wasn't absolutely terrifying anyway. Silence
Speaker 3: of the Lambs is what I'm thinking of a twenty
Speaker 3: four past eight and there's something different. You want to
Speaker 3: go on about a here for your eight hundred and
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty Marcus. Because of Trump's hundi hi hype
Speaker 3: on making movies, New Zealand used it a good excuse
Speaker 3: for renouncer Brad Pitt was swimming in Queens and that's
Speaker 3: what has been there for a while with that one.
Speaker 3: The old railway station is a shadow. It's the old
Speaker 3: Orcand railway station is a shadow of itself. As budget
Speaker 3: accommodation could be reopened as an open boutique mall. I
Speaker 3: was gonna say it could be open as a railway station.
Speaker 3: It was always a terrible place for a railway station,
Speaker 3: far too far out of town, Marcus. With all the
Speaker 3: chainsaw cuts going onto the States, how are we to
Speaker 3: know that the imported pork from there is safe to consume? Yes,
Speaker 3: I spent a day on Alcatraz during my eighteen months
Speaker 3: to the United States, and yes, it wouldn't take much
Speaker 3: to put it back in service, as it's so well
Speaker 3: preserved mark from Fittianga. I think you can buy shirts
Speaker 3: there too, can you? What can you buy from the
Speaker 3: Alcatraz gift shop? I think I might like something from there.
Speaker 3: It's not a bucket list thing for me, by the way,
Speaker 3: I've got no desire or the other thing too that
Speaker 3: I probably need to mention. Also tonight, there's been a
Speaker 3: bit and this is probably quite a good topic. It's
Speaker 3: probably as good a topic as any. There's been quite
Speaker 3: a bit of fuss over the last forty eight hours
Speaker 3: in the news cycle about colony eggs. Now. I wouldn't
Speaker 3: buy colony eggs because I've always thought that was a
Speaker 3: bit of a sketchy word. But a lot of people
Speaker 3: have probably thought that all the eggs are free range
Speaker 3: now and animal rights groups are saying that produces egg
Speaker 3: produces are misleadings in this by not declaring that colony
Speaker 3: laid eggs are laid by caged hens. So battery caged
Speaker 3: hens have been banned, but colony cages are still a thing.
Speaker 3: So as anyone out there kind of concerned about what
Speaker 3: colony cages are like, I've never seen one, so maybe
Speaker 3: they ought to put a word on that's not as
Speaker 3: misleading because colony to me doesn't sound caged. So apparently
Speaker 3: battery hen cages could hold about six hens and we're
Speaker 3: barren with nothing much in them except wire, and colony
Speaker 3: cages apparently are not much better. Colony cages can hold
Speaker 3: up to eighty hens, and each bird is given a
Speaker 3: space about the size of an a four piece of
Speaker 3: paper to living highly and ten of conditions. The hens
Speaker 3: never step outside and they only feel metal bars under
Speaker 3: their feet. Yeah, so eighty percent of news in as
Speaker 3: according the survey, did not know that colony eggs came
Speaker 3: from caged hens, with half the people mistake any feeling
Speaker 3: that they are brought from they were buying barn or
Speaker 3: freewaying eggs. I don't know what a barn egg is either.
Speaker 3: I tried to read the writing too much. But you
Speaker 3: want to talk about that also, I'm up for that discussion.
Speaker 3: Eight hundred and eighty Saddy Marcus still twelve eggs colony?
Speaker 3: Do you know what that means? It's kind of a
Speaker 3: sketchy word. They did say they publicized a lot about
Speaker 3: what the word meant when they went from cage to colony.
Speaker 3: I don't remember that colony eggs, by the way are
Speaker 3: thirty percent of the sales colony eggs. That is so, yes,
Speaker 3: it's why are cages? Doesn't sound like a colony, does it.
Speaker 3: Colony sounds slightly more fancy to me. Yes, Steve, this
Speaker 3: Marcus welcome, good evening, Good.
Speaker 4: Evening, Marcus. Marcus.
Speaker 2: My dad is eighty eight.
Speaker 4: He got home help three months ago.
Speaker 2: Home help rules.
Speaker 4: First thing the home help is not allowed to.
Speaker 5: Do is the dishes.
Speaker 4: Second thing home help is not allowed to clean his stove.
Speaker 4: Third thing, home help is not allowed to clean his fridge. Marcus,
Speaker 4: Would you believe it?
Speaker 3: What's the reasons for that?
Speaker 6: Is that?
Speaker 3: Because this can you tell me a bit more about it?
Speaker 4: Roughly? I take it as that My dad's pretty savvy,
Speaker 4: so he's filled me. This is home help across the
Speaker 4: country rules. You're not allowed to do the dishes because
Speaker 4: the bacterial transfers. I think the fridge thing is about
Speaker 4: like I'm tampering with other people's food. And I don't
Speaker 4: know what the bloom and stove thing is, Marcus. But
Speaker 4: I knew no one else to talk to you. Otherwise
Speaker 4: if I had to go and sit in the office
Speaker 4: and hit them up about it, and you know, I'd
Speaker 4: probably lose my temper. They're not allowed to what the
Speaker 4: wall four and half feet high anyway?
Speaker 3: Who's this? This is provided by the Area of Health.
Speaker 4: Apparently it's the same rules countrywide for home help, Marcus,
Speaker 4: for all elderly people.
Speaker 3: And your father is living in his own home.
Speaker 4: No, he's in a pension of flats in the far.
Speaker 3: North, Okay.
Speaker 4: It's a general rule, I believe.
Speaker 3: I would imagine with some of the home help that
Speaker 3: my mother had used, that that the home help would
Speaker 3: be quite appreciated by your father, would it not?
Speaker 4: With with the dishes not being able to be done?
Speaker 2: What are they?
Speaker 3: What are they doing?
Speaker 7: Well?
Speaker 4: They're allowed to clean the toilet, mop the floor, and
Speaker 4: vacuum the floor, and they're not allowed to wipe the
Speaker 4: wall above.
Speaker 3: Four and a half foot Is that they don't fall.
Speaker 4: Something like that? But I mean the first things of
Speaker 4: an elderly person, Marcus, is the dishes. Often for for
Speaker 4: an old brooke anyway, the dishes need doing a so
Speaker 4: I do his dishes. The fridge needs cleaning, so I
Speaker 4: clean his fridge down with their vegetables go in the
Speaker 4: lower parts, and things like that. And the stove of
Speaker 4: an old bachelor, I mean can look like a second
Speaker 4: world wall's gone through after a few days. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 4: some sort of MP needs to have a look at
Speaker 4: the rules again. I think Marcus and I haven't heard
Speaker 4: it talk. The other thing was wasp a couple of
Speaker 4: weeks ago. You boil a jug is the greenest way
Speaker 4: to kill the wasp?
Speaker 2: Five?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm into that's what you're going to say about
Speaker 3: because you'rebviously passion about this, Steve. So I will see
Speaker 3: if some other people can ring up, and maybe they
Speaker 3: are people that work in that situation. They might explain,
Speaker 3: because it seems to me it's not so much what
Speaker 3: they can't do. It doesn't seem as though you've heard
Speaker 3: a good enough reason why they can't do that. Is
Speaker 3: that fair?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 4: The the transfer of bacteria for dishes does sound reasonable,
Speaker 4: But however the most likely an additive like a specialized.
Speaker 3: But I just wonder, if I just wonder, is there
Speaker 3: another Is there another provider that provides home cleaning that
Speaker 3: your father could access.
Speaker 4: Put it this way, he has had a couple of
Speaker 4: them in the last three months, he said, one every
Speaker 4: three months, and he wants to fight this one. The
Speaker 4: first bloke used to do the dishes and then but
Speaker 4: it was not foul outside the rules. Eh.
Speaker 3: Okay, Steve, thanks for ring. We'll see if we get
Speaker 3: some information about that. Janet's Marcus, good evening.
Speaker 8: Oh hello Marcus. A bit of a change of subject
Speaker 8: from that. I've been to Alcatraz.
Speaker 3: Wow, thank you for colling.
Speaker 8: But not as a prisoner.
Speaker 3: I don't think women went there. But anyway, yeah, okay, good, okay,
Speaker 3: But it was.
Speaker 8: Way it was back in nineteen ninety two, and it
Speaker 8: just it just reminded me. You did remind when you
Speaker 8: started speaking about it, because when I went, I bought
Speaker 8: the Birdman of Alcatraz book. Oh yes, while I was there,
Speaker 8: because he was the reason I went, because I'd seen
Speaker 8: the movie with Burt Lancaster played the part.
Speaker 3: And look, can I just say, as soon as I
Speaker 3: saw that, a lot went through my mind. Did he
Speaker 3: fly to like a bird? But it wasn't. He was
Speaker 3: someone that fed birds.
Speaker 4: Is that right?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 8: No, he raised birds and he studied bird diseases and
Speaker 8: all that, and he was incarcerated there for about fifty years.
Speaker 8: He was he was guilty of two, you know, quite
Speaker 8: bad crimes, but he was obviously quite a gentle I
Speaker 8: don't know what led to the crimes, but he just
Speaker 8: took it upon himself to look after birds and he
Speaker 8: it seys I'm just reading the back of the book.
Speaker 8: He raised hundreds of birds and cages in his cell
Speaker 8: and became an authority on bird disease and wrote the
Speaker 8: definitive book on the subject, which remains in print to
Speaker 8: this day.
Speaker 3: Wow, m.
Speaker 8: Little book.
Speaker 3: Is it a good read?
Speaker 8: I did well. I bought it in nineteen ninety two
Speaker 8: and read it, so it's a wee while ago. It
Speaker 8: was good and the movie was good. I remember. That's
Speaker 8: what prompted me to buy the book. Was, as I say, boot.
Speaker 3: Land And could you go and see the actual cell
Speaker 3: which was his.
Speaker 8: Yes, Yes, we got a boat over and we were
Speaker 8: told about how how anglis it was. It's got terrible
Speaker 8: currents and things like that. And I think only a
Speaker 8: few people ever made it to the other side because
Speaker 8: they'd be swept away. And yeah, and we were shown around.
Speaker 8: This was you know, it's a think going way back
Speaker 8: before you had all the devices to walk around and
Speaker 8: look at things nowadays, so you had sort of a
Speaker 8: guide showing you. Yeah, so we saw the cells and
Speaker 8: where he was and things it's not a very pleasant place.
Speaker 3: No, no prisons or the prisons. I've been to a
Speaker 3: fairly drum place. No, I think I might have. I
Speaker 3: think I might have seen that movie a long time ago,
Speaker 3: so I'm pretty interested in that.
Speaker 8: I would see Its interesting to see it again, wouldn't it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and look, I appreciate you coming through, Jen. I'll
Speaker 3: reread that on the strength of you coming through with that,
Speaker 3: of course, for those that don't know. As I was
Speaker 3: listening to Jen, I thought, why is it called Alcatraz.
Speaker 3: It's Spanish for the island of the Pelicans, so to Spain.
Speaker 3: It couldn't work out the derivation. I thought, surely it's
Speaker 3: not American Indian? Why was it on the Chase Brenda?
Speaker 3: It's Marcus Welcome.
Speaker 10: Yeah, Hi Marcus, good show every night. Thank you. I'm
Speaker 10: just responding to the chat with his dad in a
Speaker 10: pension of flat up North, Yes, and his home help.
Speaker 10: I looked after pension of flats where I live for
Speaker 10: three years, and yeah, is quite very limited as to
Speaker 10: what home help they get. Home help usually only relates
Speaker 10: to them needing showering, okay, anything over and above that.
Speaker 10: I would suggest that he rings age concern because they
Speaker 10: are very, very helpful with pensioners.
Speaker 3: Okay, so it seems that there's miscommunication. They have given
Speaker 3: him home help for help with showering, and he's thought, oh, well,
Speaker 3: the person's there, I'll get them to clean the fridge,
Speaker 3: clean the oven. Well, they can't do that because they've
Speaker 3: got to go from place to place.
Speaker 10: Age Concern will advise them that they can through the
Speaker 10: Ministry of Social Development or WINS what you're going to
Speaker 10: call them, they can get some extra funding so much
Speaker 10: a year. So I just thought I'd just swing there
Speaker 10: in there.
Speaker 3: Is there a situation, is it Brenda's a situation? Is
Speaker 3: it called home help?
Speaker 10: Yeah, it's called home help.
Speaker 11: That's very limited.
Speaker 3: Because it should be it should be called showering help,
Speaker 3: shouldn't it. So what do they do it? Is it
Speaker 3: just is it showering? Is it remaking the bead or
Speaker 3: is it just showering?
Speaker 10: Just basically showering and then any other that they need
Speaker 10: tacked on that Age Consume can step in and help
Speaker 10: them as with their needs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so they don't help with shopping for groceries
Speaker 3: or anything like that. It's just the very basic things
Speaker 3: of show.
Speaker 10: It's usually up to the far now members.
Speaker 12: You do that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, appreciate that. Brenda thinks so much. That's helpful for me.
Speaker 3: Nine to ten, nine to nine, don't know what'll back
Speaker 3: on old daylight savings. I'm back on Karen time. Actually,
Speaker 3: if I was back on the year, it would be
Speaker 3: an hour later, wouldn't it. What has happened to me? Yeah,
Speaker 3: are on Karen's time now, I'm back on summertime. Hold
Speaker 3: your horses, people within two shots nine a way. I'm
Speaker 3: fast dated about the Birdman of Alcatraz. When you see
Speaker 3: bird Man, you think, well, hang about But I'm sure
Speaker 3: I've seen that movie. I read the book on that.
Speaker 3: I guess this. I reckon. There's probably some fantastic books
Speaker 3: written about out and I am first dated by it.
Speaker 3: Love a Lighthouse, Love a Prison to a Good Age
Speaker 3: seventy three, Robert Stroud. I'll read about having to report
Speaker 3: more for Rose. It's Marcus good.
Speaker 12: Evening evening markets.
Speaker 2: How are you good?
Speaker 3: Thank you?
Speaker 6: Hey, Michael.
Speaker 12: I just wanted to speak about the guy who spoke
Speaker 12: about his father getting the home help. My mom here
Speaker 12: in Auckland actually went to a medical misadventure and SEC
Speaker 12: sorted it out for her and it's a healthcare New
Speaker 12: Zealand that was looking after her. But what they do
Speaker 12: is they only provide like cleaning of the shower, toilets,
Speaker 12: the vacuum and mop the floor, but they do not
Speaker 12: even lift a carpet. They were asking mon to lift
Speaker 12: the carpits are actually called and complain to them. With
Speaker 12: this medical adventure, Mom's living off by herself and then
Speaker 12: we just decided to move Mom away from the Kayangora
Speaker 12: house and bring her home with us so that she
Speaker 12: doesn't have to do the extra work.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can understand from a boss's point of view,
Speaker 3: because if you go you've got to have your roles.
Speaker 3: Quite clearly, Ring finds. Otherwise people would be going into
Speaker 3: houses and people would be asking them to do all
Speaker 3: sorts of things, and they could become ever ending. And
Speaker 3: of course they've got time restraints and travel restraints and
Speaker 3: all sorts of things.
Speaker 12: Exactly, Yet they go to houses they only have to
Speaker 12: spend I believe, forty five minutes per house and they
Speaker 12: treble time and all that. I mean, we had three
Speaker 12: lovely ladies coming over to look after Mom. Even though
Speaker 12: they could do all the stuff within the timeframe. We
Speaker 12: were quite great well but then, like the guy said,
Speaker 12: the friegia, the washing of the dishes and all that,
Speaker 12: it's actually quite hard on the elderly is doing it
Speaker 12: by themselves. Yes, so I strongly believe there should be
Speaker 12: moved into with healthcare New Zealand, especially when it's a
Speaker 12: medical misadventure by the medical our own medical system.
Speaker 3: What I what I shod The medical misadventure happened for us.
Speaker 12: Mom was just around sixty. She had a triple bypass
Speaker 12: and unfortunately up at Oakland Hospital she the superbug of
Speaker 12: pseudo mounder scot Her Tatum infected and after sagery a
Speaker 12: week after sagerty, they had to remove the whole sternum. Okay,
Speaker 12: so yeah, so i'nfor that was quite unfortunate.
Speaker 3: Is it to get the stateam infixted? Is that medical
Speaker 3: misadventure or is that just an unfortunate.
Speaker 12: I'd say medical misadventure because it was the hospital's failure
Speaker 12: when she got pseudomonus, which is a superbug in the theater.
Speaker 12: So we had a big or legal battle on that.
Speaker 3: But aren't superbug something that they try very hard to
Speaker 3: get rid of but they do a cur o Yeah?
Speaker 12: Okay, yeah, I mean honestly, I'm not I'm not medical.
Speaker 12: I mean, yeah, so I wasn't sure because the doctor
Speaker 12: or the surgeon was a medical student from India who
Speaker 12: performed it on mom. So there was where we were upset.
Speaker 3: I don't think students would be performing operations.
Speaker 12: Could be I was wrong, I could have been an
Speaker 12: exchange doctor or something from me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's extremely regular. I don't think they
Speaker 3: just check a student for something as serious as that.
Speaker 3: But yeah, that's that's by the bye. But I appreciate
Speaker 3: that for us. Thanks for coming through. Marcus an Alcatrox
Speaker 3: and Alcatraz factoid. Fresh Water is scarce on the island,
Speaker 3: so building design has made the fatal are of choosing
Speaker 3: seawater for the flushing the toilet, which caused rapid rusting
Speaker 3: in the teration of the concrete. We did a tour
Speaker 3: of the old Melbourne Goal really interesting and scary. Each
Speaker 3: cell had a desk mouth of notable prisoners. There were
Speaker 3: casts of the person's head. They were hanged in the
Speaker 3: place Ned Kelly was hanged there and his death mask
Speaker 3: was displayed. They shot everyone into a cell and turned
Speaker 3: out the lights. It was small and terrifying. Marcus when
Speaker 3: a person gets showered, it's called personal care. That does
Speaker 3: involve making the client's bed and tiding up around their
Speaker 3: chair or bed. It's usually only for an hour. Then
Speaker 3: some people get h em home management that involves vacuuming, benches, wipe, toilets, cleaned,
Speaker 3: and shower. They are not allowed to do any lifting.
Speaker 3: Someone says home help. Coffee in the yarn bugger, All help,
Speaker 3: there we go. That's what's happening if you want to
Speaker 3: talk about home help. In relation to the caller about
Speaker 3: his father and the Far North and also the Birdman
Speaker 3: of Alcatraz, a psychopath. But they did say over his
Speaker 3: incredibly long time and which was pretty much his whole life,
Speaker 3: he did turn his life around. And I think it's
Speaker 3: one of the great examples ever of someone turning their
Speaker 3: life around. If we're talking a home help and yeah,
Speaker 3: and I think, like all those things, when people excess services,
Speaker 3: it's often helpful to explain what they are there to do,
Speaker 3: because it seems with the previous caller, Steve and his father,
Speaker 3: it wasn't really explained what the person was there to do.
Speaker 3: And I guess that's where the confusion starts. And then
Speaker 3: people saying things like you've got to pick us up
Speaker 3: with the pick us up with a member of Parliament. Well,
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's the case, but thank you
Speaker 3: also to about Alcatraz and the Birdman of Alcatraz and
Speaker 3: anything Alcatras related. Also, let's broaden that to prison tourism.
Speaker 3: You might have visited some of the prisons around the world.
Speaker 3: You might have been to rob An Island. I'm sure
Speaker 3: there's plenty of other prisons around the world you can
Speaker 3: go and see, right. I don't know a lot of
Speaker 3: them are still being used, aren't they. But there's plenty
Speaker 3: of old ones, I think where old prisons have never
Speaker 3: got no use for them. But getting touched Marcus till
Speaker 3: midnight tonight eight nine is the text number, Helen. It's Marcus.
Speaker 11: Welcome, good evening, Marcus.
Speaker 7: I I get home helped once a week for an air.
Speaker 6: Do you know now you go.
Speaker 7: The day A young lady comes in, very very good.
Speaker 7: She makes my bed. I've already taken the sheets off.
Speaker 7: She makes my bed, She hoover's out the whole house.
Speaker 7: I've only got a small unit, two bedroom, small unit.
Speaker 7: She wipes down cupboards if they need wipe and down.
Speaker 7: She would clean out the fridge of I ask her,
Speaker 7: but I don't ask her very often. I do it,
Speaker 7: try and do it myself. And she does the bathroom
Speaker 7: with the toilet and bath and the showers over the bath,
Speaker 7: which is a dangerous thing. And she's not allowed to
Speaker 7: shift nothing, okay when hoovering or anything. And if I
Speaker 7: say to her, I'll shift the cheirs, would you hoove
Speaker 7: round the table? And that that's fine, But they're not
Speaker 7: allowed to. They're not allowed to. And the other thing
Speaker 7: is she signs a piece of paper at the end
Speaker 7: of the air. Now, a lot of places don't do this,
Speaker 7: but some do. Access doesn't because my sister gets an
Speaker 7: there once a fortnight because they've cut it back. They
Speaker 7: haven't cut me back because I'm under acc And the
Speaker 7: other thing is now and again and my sister it
Speaker 7: takes a month for someone to come back, and she
Speaker 7: wrings them and they say they got no one to come.
Speaker 7: And if my lady goes away, I ring them and say,
Speaker 7: is someone coming you know by late after?
Speaker 12: Oh no, we haven't gotten there, I.
Speaker 7: Said, anybody will. What I said, well, why do you
Speaker 7: take this contract on if you can't deliver people to
Speaker 7: come out and do their job. I said, the doctor's
Speaker 7: put the doctor's put this through spoiled at you. And
Speaker 7: I said to my doctor, she said, we don't hear
Speaker 7: about what's happening out of me open with the home help.
Speaker 7: We don't hear that. You don't get any thing for
Speaker 7: a month or so. And my sister's got bad, bad
Speaker 7: she can't hardly do anything, and she only gets in
Speaker 7: there and she got it now the other day, and
Speaker 7: that was a month ago. But are they're only sending
Speaker 7: them out fortnightly?
Speaker 3: Okay, Well that's a good explanation about what they can
Speaker 3: and do, Helen. So I do appreciate that you start
Speaker 3: of the hour strong rose ats Marcus, welcome.
Speaker 13: I think Marcus, go Helen. I just wanted to say,
Speaker 13: I also get home help and wait a fortnight for
Speaker 13: one hour, which is sort of ridiculous. But you have
Speaker 13: to go with the flow or you don't get help
Speaker 13: at all.
Speaker 3: So what's ridiculous about it?
Speaker 13: That's not enough, no, Marcus, not at all. And the
Speaker 13: dishes things. I've got to agree with them on the
Speaker 13: dishes things, because I they've got a thing that I
Speaker 13: can't do, dishes, and I there's a lot of things
Speaker 13: I can't do, whereas I thought that they can and
Speaker 13: do the things that I can't do, that they don't.
Speaker 13: They come and then they'll broom or mop the floor,
Speaker 13: maybe vacuum and do bathroom. Yeah, and then they do
Speaker 13: have to rush because there's really quite a lot to
Speaker 13: do in one hour.
Speaker 3: I would imagine there's all sorts of people that asked
Speaker 3: them to do things that they're not allowed to do too.
Speaker 3: I imagine there'd be quite a lot of people saying, oh, well,
Speaker 3: while you're there, I can't do this, I can't do that,
Speaker 3: And people would be quite persuasive because you'd see them.
Speaker 3: They look quite helpless. But I guess you got to
Speaker 3: stick to your mission.
Speaker 13: Yeah, well I have called that, actually I can't continue
Speaker 13: do that, and some of them will go sure, and
Speaker 13: some of them will go, no, I can't.
Speaker 3: No, it's not part of my brief. Rose, Thank you
Speaker 3: appreciate it. Thirteen past nine hit or twelve that texts,
Speaker 3: good calls, good emails, good Johnny Marcus, welcome.
Speaker 9: Oh believeing Attendant Kiers different from home help, but I'm
Speaker 9: calling about the bird Man of Alcatraz and Robert Robert Stroud.
Speaker 9: I recently watched the movie again with Burt Lancaster, and
Speaker 9: I'm reminded of what an intense and actor he is.
Speaker 9: He's very good for the character. Stroud was a guy
Speaker 9: that had gone to jail very young for something like manslaughter,
Speaker 9: and straight away as soon as he got there, he
Speaker 9: got on the wrong side of the warden and the
Speaker 9: skuy shoemaker and him and Jiman Stroud locked horns from
Speaker 9: that moment, and there was a bit of game plan
Speaker 9: going on, and Sir Stroud wanted to see a visitor
Speaker 9: and the prison officer denied the visit because he got
Speaker 9: put in the hole from the warden, and so he
Speaker 9: ended up killing that prison officer and getting a massive
Speaker 9: sentence of death. And so he without spoiling the movie
Speaker 9: for people who haven't seen it, this guy in the
Speaker 9: warden over the four decades have this terrible relationship where
Speaker 9: one guy's in solitary and you know, when you're on solitary,
Speaker 9: you know, if your food gets pushed through the door,
Speaker 9: you're alone. You get a couple of changes of close
Speaker 9: a week and you get to shower once a week
Speaker 9: sort of thing, and you're always in their cell, and
Speaker 9: you know, and like that was in nineteen sort of
Speaker 9: sixteen area and hearing your challenge. Like in similar presence,
Speaker 9: we had people in solitary for up to six hundred
Speaker 9: days just thirty years ago, twenty five years ago. So
Speaker 9: I could relate a lot too.
Speaker 3: Were allowing Johnny, were we allowed birds?
Speaker 9: No, no down among it all. They did have a
Speaker 9: big farm though, and in some presents you work in
Speaker 9: the bush. But yeah, the really old style presence that
Speaker 9: you're talking about that you can you can you can
Speaker 9: visit what I can related to. It's like Napier on
Speaker 9: the hill there now that was built by the Her
Speaker 9: Majesty's Navy and it has the Navy crest on it
Speaker 9: and it's on the Bluffhill and it was quarried by
Speaker 9: Hans Ewan Stone by the first Presidents who were brought
Speaker 9: in by the Navy around eighteen forty five. It's probably
Speaker 9: one of the oldest presidents. Mount Eden is like I've
Speaker 9: been in the Condemned Man's cell, so that's where was
Speaker 9: and been through what they call the ice cream parlor,
Speaker 9: which is the hanging gallery. And waik Aria is another
Speaker 9: Victorian style prison which has a big gallery and these institutions.
Speaker 9: Wikia itself is stolen, youw successful the part the oldest partner.
Speaker 9: But yeah, there were ones like Mount Crawford is another
Speaker 9: very very old institution, and so yeah, there's there's a
Speaker 9: lot of them. As a young person was in most
Speaker 9: of them, and they are very Victorian.
Speaker 3: Never you don't hear I don't even know what Mount Crawford.
Speaker 3: I presume it's still that. They haven't knocked it down yet,
Speaker 3: have they never hear about any use for it.
Speaker 9: Well, my great great great grandmother from a Vicargo, Grannie Kelly.
Speaker 9: Her cousin was Minnie Dean, and so she was in
Speaker 9: Liffey Street, and yes, that's that's in the family history.
Speaker 3: But that's not asked about Mount Crawford. You don't know
Speaker 3: what's happened to that now.
Speaker 9: No, no, no. I was in Mount Crawford in nineteen
Speaker 9: ninety and it was a very scary looking place with
Speaker 9: a Victorian style gallery up on this hill of course,
Speaker 9: and it had in those days there was no separation
Speaker 9: between people who were vulnerable and people who were at
Speaker 9: risk and mainstream people, so they're all up together and
Speaker 9: Mount Crawford they had one wall down this gallery of
Speaker 9: people who were so dangerous and bad they were kept
Speaker 9: away from everybody else, and when you walked past and
Speaker 9: they all would yell out to you, and you know,
Speaker 9: come up to the peephole was dead and some of
Speaker 9: the glasses were missing from the people, so you'd see
Speaker 9: these tongues poking out at you. And it was very,
Speaker 9: very very unique experience.
Speaker 3: Nice to hear from you, Johnny. Thanks so much that
Speaker 3: one line free eight, Good evening, Ben, this is Marcus. Welcome.
Speaker 2: Hey, Marcus, hows it hanging tonight? Brother?
Speaker 3: Good, thank good, Thank you. Ben yeh Lat's call.
Speaker 2: That was quite informative on.
Speaker 3: The Yes, he's been a lot of prisons.
Speaker 2: And the lady before that, who was quite I thought
Speaker 2: you were going to start yelling over the radio there
Speaker 2: she's talking about the home help and all that sort
Speaker 2: of thing.
Speaker 3: Ben, What did you rig up to say?
Speaker 2: I reckon at home. My mum gets it, and okay,
Speaker 2: I know that the state pays for here all night,
Speaker 2: but it's just rubbish, absolute rubbish. I mean, it's very
Speaker 2: limited in what they can do. And she's just a
Speaker 2: typical old country farm lady, you know, over retired, and
Speaker 2: I reckon it's substeary myself.
Speaker 3: I reckon you reckon it's what.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's up to standard. I really don't,
Speaker 2: but that lady, that's why I was getting to that.
Speaker 2: Lady actually brought up a good point. Mm hm, is
Speaker 2: there aren't there outfits that do this? Why is it
Speaker 2: that the one outfit had to do it?
Speaker 3: If you know what I think people contract for, I think
Speaker 3: it's just fretty hard to get stuff these days.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, the thing about it I don't like is
Speaker 2: each way, each fortnight, there's always different people. But she's
Speaker 2: always explaining the different people. There's there's fifteen minutes, she's
Speaker 2: going to go around showing ay it, there's the shore,
Speaker 2: and that, there's that and needs that and every fortnight
Speaker 2: because I know that's one things. She always thinking different
Speaker 2: people coming. And Yeah, I don't know, but I just
Speaker 2: think it's pretty crap myself, because I've got my own
Speaker 2: personal pinter. I do a lot of as, so I
Speaker 2: get one in my way out every couple of weeks.
Speaker 2: They do three airs and they do everything. They do
Speaker 2: the roof, they do the walls, they do everything.
Speaker 3: There's different different things. This sounds like that these people
Speaker 3: are there for a very specific requirement.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's a very basic requirement. Marcus, Well, you
Speaker 2: know stuff like mush been fools. They won't even take
Speaker 2: that out.
Speaker 3: But that's not their job. They're there to shower the
Speaker 3: people and make sure they're right, to keep them from
Speaker 3: not having to go to hospital into a home to
Speaker 3: enable them to continue to live there.
Speaker 2: No, we were talking about cleaners markets. We're talking about
Speaker 2: the home house that comes around and looks after them. No,
Speaker 2: we're talking much personally.
Speaker 3: We're talking about the people that are therefore I forget
Speaker 3: the word, but they're therefore personal assistance for that. That
Speaker 3: seemed to be what the woman that rang up that
Speaker 3: was one of them said. They are there to help
Speaker 3: to shower the people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry, I heard that wrong. I thought it was
Speaker 2: talking about the ladies that come around and do the
Speaker 2: actual cleaning and looking up.
Speaker 3: No, because origin the original caller was saying, why don't
Speaker 3: they do all that, and the point was made they
Speaker 3: can't because that's not their job because their job has cleaned.
Speaker 3: Their job is to shower them. That seems to be
Speaker 3: the case. You might have something else to say about that,
Speaker 3: and you are more than welcome. Sue's Marcus, good evening.
Speaker 13: Hi, markis I'm just shrogging up about the home care.
Speaker 13: I don't know why people are moaning, because when you
Speaker 13: get a cess for home care, you get a care
Speaker 13: plan and it stays in their house. So every time
Speaker 13: a care it goes, the care can look at the
Speaker 13: care plan to see what she's there for. And personal
Speaker 13: care and home care are cleaning is totally two different things.
Speaker 3: So I think I know what happens. I think someone
Speaker 3: who hasn't engaged with these facilities before, now someone's father
Speaker 3: gets these services, the son who has engaged with these
Speaker 3: facilities before. You know, conversations can become scanned on detail
Speaker 3: and the son will be saying, well, why they're there,
Speaker 3: why don't you get them to clean your oven? Not
Speaker 3: fully understanding the person that don't there under this care
Speaker 3: plan to shower the person. So yeah, it is just
Speaker 3: about communication, isn't it.
Speaker 14: Yeah?
Speaker 13: It is, And you know, I mean, there shouldn't be
Speaker 13: any squbbles. What are there to do because they're supposed
Speaker 13: to have a care plan which they get given and
Speaker 13: if so, anyone can look on that to see and
Speaker 13: that's done through DSL and the nurse from maybe Visual
Speaker 13: West or access or wherever go around and they get
Speaker 13: reassessed every year to make sure that they get in
Speaker 13: the right care.
Speaker 3: What do you sell, Oh, that's the.
Speaker 13: Hospital, that's where the funding comes from.
Speaker 3: So what does it stand for?
Speaker 13: THESL. It's it's just a part.
Speaker 3: That Okay, we part of country.
Speaker 5: You and I'm just Oh, I'm in Hamilton.
Speaker 13: A giver for thirty five years, so I do know.
Speaker 3: How you're from that angle. You're from the key giving angle.
Speaker 13: IP sure, yeah, liked itself. Where the money for the
Speaker 13: funding goes to access or Vision West or whoever you know,
Speaker 13: and they allow the time. It's not up to Access
Speaker 13: or Vision West say how many hours of client gets
Speaker 13: us up to the day sell it because in the
Speaker 13: time I.
Speaker 3: Do appreciate that. So thank you. If you want to
Speaker 3: talk more about this, good Oh eight hundred and eighty
Speaker 3: ten eighty be nice to hear from you, Allen. Good evening.
Speaker 11: Yeah, good, Marcus. A very important topic that you're discussing tonight.
Speaker 11: So I'll wrung up because of two reasons inputs. I
Speaker 11: am a elderly man with a paired vision and I
Speaker 11: receive home care from the agency called called Lavender Blue.
Speaker 11: There are no agencies throughout the country who have set
Speaker 11: up and organize a response to provide home care support services.
Speaker 11: Now the lady previously was dead right what he was
Speaker 11: saying about the annual assessment and the NASK or Needs
Speaker 11: Assessments coordinator, he or she will assess and agree on
Speaker 11: the level of service that you need and will benefit from.
Speaker 11: The other major player in the equations is a group
Speaker 11: which operates out of Palmerston Law called nable Enable Services.
Speaker 11: There's very help information there for folks.
Speaker 3: Okay, just and just back to the situation with the
Speaker 3: guy that started the whole discussion, and I think his
Speaker 3: name was Steve.
Speaker 11: I can't recall.
Speaker 3: Should he contact someone if he thinks his father requires
Speaker 3: more help? Who should he contact?
Speaker 11: He should contact the needs assessment person who visited him initially.
Speaker 3: And that would be for the fact, that would be
Speaker 3: for the local Health board or the local health distriction.
Speaker 11: From a DHP. DHP will be the one or another thing.
Speaker 11: But the other safety malvet is there is your own
Speaker 11: or their own local GP.
Speaker 3: Correct.
Speaker 11: They need to make that. The GP people may say,
Speaker 11: why do you have this is me? Why do you
Speaker 11: need to allen?
Speaker 9: Well?
Speaker 11: As I say, I'm myst by myself. Now my wife
Speaker 11: died suddenly just over two years ago and with my
Speaker 11: own pad vision.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I understand all of that. And it seems to
Speaker 3: me that most of these people are engaging with these
Speaker 3: services for the first time, so it's new, and there'll
Speaker 3: be speed wives they won't they won't all know what's available,
Speaker 3: what the people are there to do, and what's required,
Speaker 3: and what other services are available. So it does a
Speaker 3: learning curve for people, isn't it. But the GP can
Speaker 3: help them through that.
Speaker 11: Yes, absolutely, the GP's practice nurse is possibly the one
Speaker 11: to have a conversation with.
Speaker 3: And understand twenty seconds before the news headlines. But it
Speaker 3: all works well for you now.
Speaker 11: It does very much, So I'm very fortunate indeed, and.
Speaker 3: I'll leave it there, Alan, but nice to hear from you.
Speaker 3: We've got a fever bit of feedback about this, which
Speaker 3: I'm finding really interesting. I think it's gonna be good
Speaker 3: for people to hear what is available available. Evening, John,
Speaker 3: welcome the air waves of yours.
Speaker 15: God they Yeah, I get home help every Wednesday for
Speaker 15: an air maybe seven, and it's magic. They just do
Speaker 15: what I want them to do.
Speaker 16: Sure, are you there?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Do they clean the oven? Do they clean the oven?
Speaker 15: No? No, we don't get them to do that sort
Speaker 15: of stuff. They they just do household. They clean the floors,
Speaker 15: clean the bathroom, wash his hair, make your bed. I
Speaker 15: usually make my own, but on the on the day
Speaker 15: they've come here, I pull the blankets back and they
Speaker 15: pull them up and they change the main sheets and everything. No,
Speaker 15: they do great job. They're doing a good job, these people.
Speaker 15: And they they can't be the same people all the time.
Speaker 15: Mostly I have got the same person, but because of
Speaker 15: circumstances that just can't be avoided, they have to have changed.
Speaker 15: So CROPS is great service they do and much appreciated
Speaker 15: to all those nurses and doctors.
Speaker 3: And yeah, please it's working out well for you, John,
Speaker 3: thank you for that. Livingston A's Marcus good evening?
Speaker 5: Ah, good easy, Marcus.
Speaker 17: Now are you the.
Speaker 3: Good things of it? And has yourself all good?
Speaker 11: I'm pretty well.
Speaker 5: There's been tames my life in the last four years.
Speaker 5: I've been so well. I've had several fractures, I've gotti process. However,
Speaker 5: I've had an access home health services and fortunately they
Speaker 5: were funded by a CEC. A SEC would send me
Speaker 5: a list of providers and it was my choice which one.
Speaker 11: I would go with.
Speaker 5: They would send and the service I chose was care
Speaker 5: on call. They would send an assessor or they'd sit
Speaker 5: and interview you, ask you what your limitations were, your abilities,
Speaker 5: what your goals were at the end of care, and
Speaker 5: a list of things that I might need assistants with
Speaker 5: lots of what was personal care, like help help with
Speaker 5: my shower and applying creams because I couldn't use my
Speaker 5: left arm, and then another time I could use.
Speaker 17: My right arm, and so that was all good.
Speaker 5: But they also included they would strip my bed sheets
Speaker 5: and remake my bed. They were to hang my washing
Speaker 5: on the line. They did do the washing in the kitchen,
Speaker 5: like dishes and things, and there's quite a few things
Speaker 5: that other people are saying that their services wouldn't do.
Speaker 5: One thing that was certainly often limits was cleaning the oven,
Speaker 5: and I think it was health and safety because of
Speaker 5: the chemicals. But I was fortunate that the z times
Speaker 5: I used them had the same carecaters come on three
Speaker 5: different occasions over four years, so I was very fortunate
Speaker 5: with that. And yeah, I can only say positive things
Speaker 5: about that particular service and living Stone.
Speaker 3: I know that you have geographically changed, that you have
Speaker 3: moved did you have yes? Was it seamless engaging in
Speaker 3: those services at your new location?
Speaker 11: No?
Speaker 5: All of these incidents were when I lived in Auckland.
Speaker 3: But do you still exist those services now?
Speaker 17: I don't.
Speaker 5: I only need to.
Speaker 3: Oh that's a good thing, that's a very positive thing.
Speaker 5: Okay, Yeah, so enjoying this. Aw Marcus, thank.
Speaker 11: You so much.
Speaker 3: Nice to hear from your livingstone. Always love your voice.
Speaker 3: Seventeen to ten high Hazel.
Speaker 18: I hallo, Marcus. I haven't rung you before, but I
Speaker 18: was quite interested in your topic tonight. I've been a
Speaker 18: home help for forty six years and I'm ninety two now,
Speaker 18: and I wouldn't mind a home help myself, but no,
Speaker 18: I'm not going to. I've got my walker and I'll
Speaker 18: manage him quite well. But I loved every bit that
Speaker 18: I did in those forty six years, and when I
Speaker 18: went into everyone's home, I did exactly what I could
Speaker 18: see they needed doing. And I can say honestly, when
Speaker 18: I've walked away, I felt happy in my own self
Speaker 18: that I had left some month's life a little bit
Speaker 18: better than what it was when I walked in. And
Speaker 18: I don't say that to get a bouquet. I say
Speaker 18: it from my heart. And now I'm ninety two, ninety four.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean for giving a memory.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's not bad. But it kind of seems
Speaker 3: wrong ironically that you're not getting home help yourself. I
Speaker 3: have to spend so many years doing But that's all right,
Speaker 3: you clearly don't need it yet.
Speaker 12: No, not yet.
Speaker 18: I'm managing. And actually, when I sum up life, really,
Speaker 18: even retirement villages and reesed homes, they're only as good
Speaker 18: as this staff. And that's life. You're only as good
Speaker 18: as what you're putting in yourself, being satisfied and attitude.
Speaker 3: Hazel, what year did you stop doing home help?
Speaker 18: Well, I'm I worked. I was seventy.
Speaker 3: Five, Okay, so that's twenty years ago.
Speaker 18: I'm ninety four.
Speaker 3: Did it change much in those years? Did your brief
Speaker 3: or what the bosses wanted you to do? Change? Were
Speaker 3: you doing?
Speaker 10: Absolutely?
Speaker 18: Well, You've got a little bit more time for one thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 18: The way just we're relevant to that error.
Speaker 3: But the point is, Haze, I'm saying that these days
Speaker 3: people say they can't lift stuff, or they can't do dishes,
Speaker 3: or can't cleave oven ovens, But there's good reasons for that.
Speaker 18: I think of course, Sarah. Yeah, you don't know what
Speaker 18: people's ability is, and everybody has a different reason for
Speaker 18: having a home help. Yes, but hopefully I think it
Speaker 18: all comes down to attitude. When you walk into someone's home,
Speaker 18: you can see the need and you get on and
Speaker 18: do it to make that life a little bit better.
Speaker 3: Love you to hear from you, Hazel thinks so much, Marcus.
Speaker 3: I have done home care. The family normally visit there
Speaker 3: and leave the kitchen full of dishes, et cetera. We
Speaker 3: are not servants for the whole family. There you go, Marcus.
Speaker 3: I have helped once a week for an hour, organized
Speaker 3: by age Care. She's always on time and very good.
Speaker 3: But she doesn't do windows. That's okay, cheers Frank Marcus.
Speaker 3: Talking of prison tourism, there's an amazing book called Marching Powder.
Speaker 3: I have read that. That's the Bolivian prison where you
Speaker 3: go in and stay. Yeah, that's quite interesting. That to
Speaker 3: a point fourteen from ten. If you want to talk
Speaker 3: home care and the Birdman of Alcatra, anything Alcatraz related.
Speaker 3: There was that very good MythBusters episode when they recredit
Speaker 3: the escape the three men. They made a raft and
Speaker 3: when do they make that? I think they made the
Speaker 3: raft from details are sketchy. I think they made the
Speaker 3: raft from old raincoats, but I will research and they
Speaker 3: got asure, they think, because they found the raft on
Speaker 3: Wikipedia as we speak, and mates sh now what's the raft?
Speaker 3: That's right? That the papier machet images of themselves that
Speaker 3: were in the beard for the bead check. That was
Speaker 3: the famous bit. Now just to work out what they
Speaker 3: made the raft of men and they shed their plan
Speaker 3: raft raft raft raft raft raft raft draft raft raft.
Speaker 3: Oh no, remembe they use a raft. Maybe they use
Speaker 3: life preservers here using over fifty raincoats to make other
Speaker 3: stolen aid materials. They constructed life preservers away, let me
Speaker 3: read more about that during the news No, during the
Speaker 3: ad breaking back to ts. Yes, I think they did mate,
Speaker 3: well they mate. I think they did make a rubber
Speaker 3: raft out of the raincoats, like an oil skin raincoat
Speaker 3: or something seats on Wikipedia. A two thousand and three
Speaker 3: MythBusters episode on the Discovery Channel, You and We tested
Speaker 3: the feasibility of an escape from the island a border
Speaker 3: raft constructed with the same materials and tools. The inmate
Speaker 3: hosts Jamie Heineman. He's the annoying one and Adam Savage
Speaker 3: He's the even more annoying one, along with a crew member,
Speaker 3: successfully made landfall on the manhatt Marin Headlands at the
Speaker 3: north end of Golden great Bridge. The show's conclusion that
Speaker 3: the escape was was that the escape was possible. A
Speaker 3: twenty eleven documentary on the National Geographic Channel in title
Speaker 3: Banige from Alcatraz report to the Contrary to the official
Speaker 3: FBI report, a raft was discovered on Angel Island on
Speaker 3: June twelfth, the daut escape with footprits leading away from it.
Speaker 3: Same day, a blue Chevrolet was stolen in Marion County.
Speaker 3: The following down, motorists in Stockton, California, east of San
Speaker 3: Francisco reported to the California Hope Dolly was forced off
Speaker 3: the road by three men in a blue Chevrolet. So
Speaker 3: it's one of those great things. Like also like dB Cooper,
Speaker 3: no one quite knows of it, but I think probably
Speaker 3: Trump likes these films and likes these stories. And I'm
Speaker 3: sure late at nineties watching the TV HBO, and he
Speaker 3: thinks lip Thy over and Alcatraz, let's put tariffs on movies.
Speaker 3: Lit throy over Alcatrez. Marcus went to Alcatraz a few
Speaker 3: years ago while on a holiday in San Francisco. Was
Speaker 3: the whole of our holiday for a piece of rock
Speaker 3: and a cup, so have our merchandise. The place is aerie.
Speaker 3: It was extremely harsh. He's going need to spend a
Speaker 3: fortune on the place as it was falling down. Certainly
Speaker 3: not somewhere I wanted to spend the night. DIBs Marcus
Speaker 3: twenty years ago visited Statesville Maximum Security Prison and it
Speaker 3: was horrendous, with a noise of thousands of men, open
Speaker 3: bars with their privacy, a circular wing with armed guards
Speaker 3: and a tower and three guards to move prisoners who
Speaker 3: were handcuffed and chained to its feet. We had to
Speaker 3: show idea at each grill. Trump's plan to open Alcatraz
Speaker 3: ridiculous and would cost billions. Jezniki careers pre set times
Speaker 3: for peace or keras preset times for personal care or
Speaker 3: home management. Housework instigated through the DHB or GP, who
Speaker 3: are then assessed prior to kiras going to the home.
Speaker 3: Keiras only get paid for the stipulard time must stay
Speaker 3: within the guidelines. Pre Set home management includes basic housework,
Speaker 3: vacuum washed floors and bathrooms, and unless otherwise stipulated, that
Speaker 3: is all. They do, not sprinkling. If time allows, the
Speaker 3: bed can be changed and dishes may be done, but
Speaker 3: once the time that must leave and not be enticed
Speaker 3: by a client to do any other work. PC Personal
Speaker 3: Care is showered, dry and dress the client and make
Speaker 3: the bed, not change. All clients have a care plan
Speaker 3: in house that the care must follow. They do not
Speaker 3: tidy up after any other people in the home. Clients
Speaker 3: can get PC care up to seven days a week
Speaker 3: from half to one hour a day, depending on level
Speaker 3: of their disability, but house week once a week for
Speaker 3: half is the normal, but can stretch out to one
Speaker 3: hour a week dependent on the level of assess assessment. Jan,
Speaker 3: thank you very much for that. Jan free fullsome text. Malcolm.
Speaker 6: Hello, good evening today, Marcus.
Speaker 2: How are you good?
Speaker 3: Thank you?
Speaker 4: Malcolm.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Hey, you've been talking about Alcatras. What a bit
Speaker 6: of luster from you know who?
Speaker 3: It's great. I mean, it just floods. Its only just
Speaker 3: you just can't stop talking about it because there's always
Speaker 3: something different.
Speaker 6: Well, the thing about it is and I follow it
Speaker 6: pretty as I think you probably knows. But George Conway,
Speaker 6: who's a very conservative Republican and never trumpet and former
Speaker 6: wife of Kelly M. Conway. Today, Well, you're going to
Speaker 6: take five plus years to rebuild it and you're only
Speaker 6: going to get two hundred people because it's a row
Speaker 6: and it what a lot of rubbish, you know. But
Speaker 6: to sidetrack.
Speaker 3: Malcolm, I was surprised how tardy the prisoner is.
Speaker 6: Well, yeah, but you see the thing is, it's all bluster.
Speaker 6: It's his way of deflecting from a whole lot of
Speaker 6: other things.
Speaker 3: Well, stop people talking about his favorability, hasn't it.
Speaker 6: Well, you're right, and the one that's really got me
Speaker 6: going is his latest one, which is now over the news,
Speaker 6: but I've picked it up this morning. But he wants
Speaker 6: to with tariffs and all movies that are made outside
Speaker 6: of the US. I mean, Hollywood is just apart from
Speaker 6: the fact that The Maid not all but a lot
Speaker 6: of rubbish in the last five to ten years, Hollywood
Speaker 6: is a guest and it's an attack on them for there.
Speaker 6: I've spoken this on heatin and the fact that any
Speaker 6: foreign film I shouldn't say this, and I'm not. I've
Speaker 6: got no proof of this, but he will come out
Speaker 6: probably tomorrow and say, oh, well, you know James Cameron,
Speaker 6: you know a great American directory. By the way, it's Canadian.
Speaker 6: He doesn't do any research on anything. It all comes off.
Speaker 3: I don't you understand. I don't think you understand how
Speaker 3: it works. I presume, because I mean if you look
Speaker 3: at a movie like the Minecraft movie, which was filmed
Speaker 3: in Huntly but very much an American movie. If you
Speaker 3: if you if you went to see that movie, I
Speaker 3: presume you've got to pay so how much a movie?
Speaker 3: How much of a movie in the States twenty bucks?
Speaker 2: Ah?
Speaker 6: Well, put it this way, it would mean that not
Speaker 6: just zeal movies, but movies all around the world.
Speaker 9: That's right.
Speaker 6: But I might be shown in the States. Well, get
Speaker 6: one hundred, Tara. Put on the cost I show which.
Speaker 3: Which would be the ticket cost? Wouldn't it wouldn't be
Speaker 3: what It wouldn't be what networks pay to screen that movie,
Speaker 3: would it.
Speaker 6: Well, it just means well, I'll sidestep again to the
Speaker 6: greatest director of all time, in my opinion, was Stanley Kubrick,
Speaker 6: who was an American but who lived in Britain for
Speaker 6: forty years. And there will be the actors all just said,
Speaker 6: well stop her, Okay.
Speaker 3: I'll live at there, Malcolm, But thank you appreciate your call.
Speaker 3: Shuld I visit Alcatraz. That's a god forsaken place that
Speaker 3: gave me bad vibes. I'm sure that place is haunted.
Speaker 3: So did they hang people there? Was there a cheer?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 3: His interesting text, Marcus, I've always been intrigued by the
Speaker 3: vacuum cleaner drill? How did that work? And how did
Speaker 3: they know to build it? How did no one hear
Speaker 3: it running at night? Did no one miss a vacuum cleaner?
Speaker 3: So many questions. This must be about their escape from Alcatraz.
Speaker 3: I haven't heard about the vacuum drill. Vacuum cleaner drill,
Speaker 3: so something might know about that and Alcatraz. Yeah, it
Speaker 3: would take five years to get that up and running,
Speaker 3: and you've still got a limit. And prisons are quite
Speaker 3: easy to escape. Prisons on islands must be quite easy
Speaker 3: to escape from because you can't fence the ocean. Well
Speaker 3: maybe you can, Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, And I
Speaker 3: think the birdman guy had Yeah, anyway, what I had
Speaker 3: something else I wanted to say then, but I just
Speaker 3: kind of forgot what it was. Oh well, home help
Speaker 3: is the other topic for tonight. Sixteen past ten. Get
Speaker 3: in touch. Oh, that's what I was going to see
Speaker 3: about whether they had the whether executions, because I think
Speaker 3: they always had. Tbgbis to places where executions carried out
Speaker 3: at Alcatraz, some of them. Alcatras had no facility for
Speaker 3: capital punishment, and no one was ever sent to the
Speaker 3: island with a death sentence. Alcort rezidentmates too committed to
Speaker 3: capital offense as well on the island were tried in
Speaker 3: federal court sentence to death and transferred to San Quentin
Speaker 3: State Penitentiary for execution in the guests chamber. Sort of
Speaker 3: a cheery post from AI in it. Oh the other thing,
Speaker 3: the other bit of information that I haven't mentioned on
Speaker 3: the show. Are people aware that this will terrify you,
Speaker 3: that they reckon microplastic small bits of plastic which for
Speaker 3: some reason end up mainly in the brain. They reckon
Speaker 3: The average person has a plastic spoon wordth of plastic
Speaker 3: in their brain. Yeah. I don't know what to do
Speaker 3: with that information because there's no way to get rid
Speaker 3: of it from your brain. But yes, microplastics have been
Speaker 3: the great discovery the last five years. But yes, in
Speaker 3: your brain, the old plastic spoon. I was a terrible
Speaker 3: one for chewing pens in my school. I'm sure I've
Speaker 3: got a huge amount of plastic in my head.
Speaker 5: Now?
Speaker 3: Am I right? That they are unveiled? A did the
Speaker 3: White House unveil a picture of Trump with a lightsaber
Speaker 3: for May the fourth? That's pretty amazing, isn't it? The pope?
Speaker 3: And now they veiled him as the pope, which Catholics
Speaker 3: found very offensive. And now he's now he is? Who
Speaker 3: is he?
Speaker 6: Dan?
Speaker 3: Is he a sith? He's got a red who's got
Speaker 3: the red lightsabers? Says a sith? Overlorder?
Speaker 14: Is he?
Speaker 2: Or is he?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Could someone tell me who he is? Because I
Speaker 3: spend a long time studying Star Wars. That's all a
Speaker 3: bit abstract on me. Now Trump with red light saber? Yeah,
Speaker 3: I think he'd be a sith, wouldn't he? But why
Speaker 3: wouldn't he do himself as one.
Speaker 9: Of the.
Speaker 3: If you know anything about that, it's pretty out there.
Speaker 3: Isn't it anyone predict that that Trump would be dressed
Speaker 3: as the pope? Because that's extraordinary. I think I think
Speaker 3: they didn't post it to a fen Field. I think
Speaker 3: he posted because he generally thought he'd be a good,
Speaker 3: good pope. Star Wars fans point out telling details and
Speaker 3: ai image of Trump. Now for me the fourth, May
Speaker 3: the fourth be with you.
Speaker 5: Now?
Speaker 3: Fans of the sci fi film and TV Fred just
Speaker 3: pointing out that Trump's red light saber marks him as
Speaker 3: the villainous sith Lord himself. Yes, I thought so. So
Speaker 3: that's the red lightsabers a sith lord are red as
Speaker 3: the color of the Sith, while you're holding a red
Speaker 3: lightsaber though, So there we go, Lowell. At least you
Speaker 3: correctly portrayed him as the bad guys. Only the Sith
Speaker 3: have red lightsabers. Fake nerds the lack of self awareness
Speaker 3: and hypocrisy by calling the Left the Empire while showing
Speaker 3: Trump with a Sith lightsaber. In the film series that
Speaker 3: heroic characters use blue, green, and purple lightsabers. The Jedy
Speaker 3: have blue and green except for Mace Windu, who has
Speaker 3: purple because Samuel Jackson wanted one, and the Sith have
Speaker 3: red lightsabers. So the White House is making Trump look
Speaker 3: like a Sith because of the red lightsaber, which are
Speaker 3: the bad guys? Good evening, Dean, it's Marcus welcome.
Speaker 14: Yeah, good evening, Marcus.
Speaker 9: How are you I'm going to do.
Speaker 14: Started listening and you're talking about prisons. Has anybody called
Speaker 14: you about the old Melbourne Jail.
Speaker 3: I got a text from someone who said it's quite
Speaker 3: airy because there are death masks in each cell. Is
Speaker 3: that correct?
Speaker 19: Yes?
Speaker 3: Okay, tell me more.
Speaker 14: Well, it's an old style jail, two stories. It's fairly
Speaker 14: near the center of Melbourne. You can walk to it
Speaker 14: from the Melbourne CBD. I would say the cells were
Speaker 14: quite spooky. They were, I would say from memory, about
Speaker 14: two meters wide by about two meters long. They were
Speaker 14: very small, window high up. They were bare when I
Speaker 14: was there, but maybe you know they had a chamber.
Speaker 9: Pot and a bed.
Speaker 14: Well they would have had a bed, but they had
Speaker 14: the gallows there. You can actually stand on the spot
Speaker 14: the gallows where they hung ned Kelly, were you.
Speaker 3: When you were there? Were you in cast writer or
Speaker 3: as a tourist?
Speaker 9: No?
Speaker 14: It hasn't been used for years.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, when was it? When was it used?
Speaker 9: Oh?
Speaker 14: I don't know when they stopped using it actually as
Speaker 14: a prison. But it's a real old style prison. You
Speaker 14: wouldn't want to go there for any length of time.
Speaker 9: It was.
Speaker 14: Well, you know, they believed in punishment in those days,
Speaker 14: I guess. But as I say, you can you can
Speaker 14: stand on the actual spot on the trap door and
Speaker 14: hope nobody pulled the lever where Ned Kelly was saying, oh,
Speaker 14: and not only him, other people as well, where they
Speaker 14: used to hang people.
Speaker 3: And that's out in the courtyard type thing, is it. No,
Speaker 3: it was inside, Okay, I didn't know that.
Speaker 14: Okay, inside, As I say, it's two stories, so it
Speaker 14: was on the second floor. But because you know, when
Speaker 14: you drop through somewhere in the first floor on the ground.
Speaker 2: Floor, it's pretty good.
Speaker 14: Yeah, but you you know, it was just a bit
Speaker 14: nine mirrors. I felt very unsettled for a long time
Speaker 14: after that, you know, thinking about the people spending long
Speaker 14: sentences in such a miserable pace.
Speaker 3: Did they let you put on the caller coo hood.
Speaker 9: No, that would be a bit much for me.
Speaker 3: Too much for me too.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've been at every every old prison I've been into.
Speaker 3: It sort of freaked me out. They're going with the
Speaker 3: hebgb's but.
Speaker 15: Yeah, not like these days.
Speaker 14: They've got gyms and all sorts of things.
Speaker 3: I'm yet to see the gyms or maybe they have
Speaker 3: got them, But be nice to talk to. Thank you
Speaker 3: for the keep your calls through people. Oh eight hundred
Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty. Your present's a psychiatric, old psychiatric
Speaker 3: and it's also given me the hebgb's like Seaclopton all
Speaker 3: those ones. But yeah, do come through if you want
Speaker 3: to talk. Hen till twelve o'clock tonight. Oh, I've got
Speaker 3: finally the Mate. I googled them. I emailed them Mate
Speaker 3: and Oubod about the power cut and Barley they have
Speaker 3: it on Friday. He's just emailed me back and it's
Speaker 3: out again for the last two hours. Hope the show
Speaker 3: is going well. Yeah, so I think probably the world's
Speaker 3: power infrastructure does not there appear to be that robust anyway,
Speaker 3: A twenty away from eleven if you want. If there's
Speaker 3: something I want to talk about tonight, I don't really
Speaker 3: mind what it is. Actually, I'm just kind of curious
Speaker 3: to hear from you, So get in touch. If there's
Speaker 3: something different, that's good. Also, we can handle that. Eight
Speaker 3: hundred eighty eight. Gosh, I'll tell you what has been
Speaker 3: the story for me for this year for the headlines
Speaker 3: is Liam Lawson crashes out early. If it's luck or skill,
Speaker 3: but it hasn't been much of a year, has it.
Speaker 3: I've already become slightly nonchalant about that. I don't know
Speaker 3: how long he's going to be in that seat for,
Speaker 3: but you need to start performing, doesn't he resting? Good Marcus.
Speaker 3: My girlfriend and I went to a restaurant in London
Speaker 3: called The Clink. It's actually located inside a working prison
Speaker 3: where inmates cook and serve a three course meal. It
Speaker 3: was definitely unique experience being waited on by prisoners. One
Speaker 3: of them forgot one of the cup of teas I ordered,
Speaker 3: but I figured it was best not to complain to
Speaker 3: the kitchen. Marcus. Do you know if there's another Marcus
Speaker 3: Lush in the world. There's a story in one US
Speaker 3: about two guys born days apart in the same month
Speaker 3: and year, but unfortunately for one of them, both were
Speaker 3: given the exact same first and middle names with the
Speaker 3: same surname. What is a career criminal? The other of
Speaker 3: the straight arrow and fed up. You'd be surprised how
Speaker 3: common this is in New Zealand. Of five million people,
Speaker 3: I know fifteen other people who's in those share the
Speaker 3: same full name with but with different birth dates. That's
Speaker 3: from mac Marcus Good evening. Marcus years ago, we were
Speaker 3: surfing down Orapuoki for a few weeks. We got rained
Speaker 3: out and ended up pitching tents and the horse tables
Speaker 3: at the showgrounds in Vicago. We would go out at
Speaker 3: night for a few beers. We'll always remember walking back
Speaker 3: home on those nights past the prison inmates could be
Speaker 3: shouting out and banging stuff on their bars as we
Speaker 3: walked past on our way home. A few of them,
Speaker 3: once released, made the showgrounds home. We met a few
Speaker 3: of them always in the TV lounge take control of
Speaker 3: the TV remote. We watched what they watched, Greg and
Speaker 3: the Three. It's amazing how accessible the prison is in
Speaker 3: in Vicago. You do have people going and sort of
Speaker 3: parking outside of the prison to communicate.
Speaker 9: Well.
Speaker 3: I don't know if there people that aren't und visiting
Speaker 3: with quite what it is. The main topic for night
Speaker 3: is home care and what you can expect those people
Speaker 3: to do. There is some confusion about that, but I
Speaker 3: think we've cleared that up fedwell. Also to Alcatraz, the
Speaker 3: prison that Trump wants to reopen, it takes five years
Speaker 3: to get up to scratch. I don't know how many
Speaker 3: people would be in America and castle, that there would
Speaker 3: be millions, would there be millions, there'd be millions, and
Speaker 3: Alcatrez only holds two hundred and fifty people, so it's
Speaker 3: kind of crazy that they even talk about that. But
Speaker 3: we're talking about that, and that's what probably Trump wants anyway,
Speaker 3: and tariffs on the movies, the prison muster two million
Speaker 3: people one point eight including Tiger what's that guy's name,
Speaker 3: the Tiger guy? Anyway, he's in there, isn't he? Kathy Marcus? Welcome?
Speaker 19: Hi Marcus, How are you good?
Speaker 3: Thanks? Kathy?
Speaker 5: That's good.
Speaker 19: You just ask for a different topic, and I thought, well,
Speaker 19: good opportunity to call and just ask. And it's a
Speaker 19: random topic and a topic and probably a quiz question,
Speaker 19: and it's not really that important.
Speaker 7: But of all, always.
Speaker 19: Wondered why in the South Island our farming fences are
Speaker 19: metre apart with the stake, and then you hop over
Speaker 19: the fence to the North Island and the only three
Speaker 19: seeds are sorry ten or twenty ceed meters apart all
Speaker 19: the stakes. And I've thought, why are the stakes so
Speaker 19: close together in the North Island and you in the
Speaker 19: South Island are not? So If anybody can answer that,
Speaker 19: I'd be really gratefully interested.
Speaker 3: Why, Well, first we have to work out if it's true.
Speaker 19: Well, you only need to travel up the country and
Speaker 19: see how close all the stakes are together in the
Speaker 19: North Island the South Island are.
Speaker 3: Like, I don't necessarily know that you're right. So you're
Speaker 3: between the two posts you mean the batons, Yes, and
Speaker 3: you're saying that twenty is a part of the North Island.
Speaker 19: Well, you look when you travel up the North Island
Speaker 19: and say go for a tour, are so close together,
Speaker 19: and yet in the South Island like meters and yet
Speaker 19: in the North Island if you have a look, they're
Speaker 19: so close together. And anybody where have you locked Parmerster
Speaker 19: north right through Auckland, right through Meno Tuo from Wellington
Speaker 19: right up to rot Or. Yeah, I'm interested and intrigued,
Speaker 19: and I've seen it quite often on country calendar, and
Speaker 19: I've wondered.
Speaker 3: Why so, I mean, character, I don't think you're right.
Speaker 19: Let's see, let's see if other people call and say maybe, but.
Speaker 3: They wouldn't be twenty ceent to be disapart, would they.
Speaker 19: Well, but they're really close. The beatons into the ground
Speaker 19: are really close together in the North Island. But they're
Speaker 19: not in the South Island.
Speaker 3: But the bends don't go on the ground, do they.
Speaker 3: They just hang on the wires, don't they.
Speaker 10: Well, the what do you call them?
Speaker 19: Their where it has so really right? Yeah?
Speaker 17: Posts?
Speaker 19: You dig those unright and then you've got your fence post,
Speaker 19: your wires. And I like to me her apart. But
Speaker 19: why are they so close to the North Island?
Speaker 3: Okay? If some yeah, okay, Katy, thank you. I don't yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't know some of my that seems strange to me.
Speaker 3: But get in touch if you've got something to say
Speaker 3: about that. Someone said, oh my god, so true. Different
Speaker 3: to northide of South and I think correct. Go figure Marcus.
Speaker 3: When I went to Alcatreez, one of the last inmates
Speaker 3: had written a book and was on site selling signed
Speaker 3: copies of his life and incarceration. Who says crime doesn't
Speaker 3: pay lull. I don't think you'd say that's crime paying,
Speaker 3: would you. It's a writing pays probably some as that
Speaker 3: might have to do with predator prevention. Northold Fencing has
Speaker 3: several close batons, but not in the South hobby has
Speaker 3: farmed with both. It's do with the climate and more
Speaker 3: prone to slips. Do you know what the dropper is evening,
Speaker 3: Sean Marcus. Welcome.
Speaker 17: Yea. You can build a fence anyway you like, but
Speaker 17: there is a legal standard fence and it's four posts
Speaker 17: of the chain and twenty batons to the chain.
Speaker 9: And the.
Speaker 17: Those farms you'll see that because that's the way. It's
Speaker 17: all legal. And you can even in town between neighbors
Speaker 17: and that's illegal fence.
Speaker 3: Four posts of the chain and twenty batons to the chain. Yes,
Speaker 3: appreciate that, sewn Margaret, Good evening.
Speaker 5: Good evening. They also have traveled the country, and not
Speaker 5: just the North Island has more stoppers between the posts
Speaker 5: than the South Island does?
Speaker 3: How many more?
Speaker 5: Or I didn't stop and count them that we're just
Speaker 5: quite noticeable level closer.
Speaker 3: Okay, we'll get more information, Margaret, thank you. Okay, I
Speaker 3: guess it will depend on what sort of farms they were, Marcus.
Speaker 3: The reason is because the South Island is bigger than
Speaker 3: the North Island, Tony Marcus. The South Island farms seem
Speaker 3: to use a square mesh type fencing wire. It covers
Speaker 3: post to post with no battons properly for sheep farms. Yes,
Speaker 3: it's what I have that might be what we're talking about.
Speaker 3: There's also why fences too, So if you have that mesh,
Speaker 3: with that mesh fence, you don't have the batons on it.
Speaker 3: It just goes from posters, just noil from post to post.
Speaker 3: So probably what you notice is between mesh mesh fencing
Speaker 3: on some farms and why I don't know why they
Speaker 3: have mesh fencing and why fencing. It might be because
Speaker 3: of well, originally the big stuffs for deer. I think
Speaker 3: maybe that's what it's got to do with Marcus Damn Trump.
Speaker 3: I've always had Alcatraz on my bucket list to visit.
Speaker 3: Now I have to do the some heenous crime and
Speaker 3: San Francis is gonna see it.
Speaker 11: Lol.
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Maybe I think you probably commit a crime anywhere to
Speaker 3: go there. Welcome just coming up to the headler to
Speaker 3: the news people, we are talking well, fence for Anything's tonight,
Speaker 3: Chris and Ouboard is now listening through the fourgy connection Alcatraz.
Speaker 3: Leave it as a tourist destination. Have been twice with
Speaker 3: visiting San Francisco and love this place fence post Jawn, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I was surprised about that, but there we go. You'awn,
Speaker 3: you'll o waite hundred eighty to tenny and nine two
Speaker 3: nine too de text with this break and usual hear
Speaker 3: it here first enjoy your show. Over forty years ago
Speaker 3: my father in law gave me this reply. Well, in
Speaker 3: the south it's mainly sensible Scottish English heritage, more kenny
Speaker 3: and thrifty than up in the north about the Strait.
Speaker 3: But if you are noticing that square mesh fencing here,
Speaker 3: that you wouldn't have the batons on that, and that's
Speaker 3: something you might be noticing as well. Also here till
Speaker 3: midnight's like manam, miss Marcus, welcome eight hundred and eighty
Speaker 3: ten eight if you want to talk nine to nine
Speaker 3: to de text with it till twelve o'clock tonight, looking
Speaker 3: forward to your calls. You got something different you want
Speaker 3: to talk about. I can handle that. I'm here for
Speaker 3: it all. Get in touch. Alcatraz and home help and fences.
Speaker 3: It's of interest. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty and
Speaker 3: v celebrations in the United Kingdom because it's the eightieth.
Speaker 3: It's just coming up to the eightieth anniversary of the
Speaker 3: end of World War Two, which I believe was in
Speaker 3: the eighth of May, of course the fifth of May,
Speaker 3: but it's Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. I think of the
Speaker 3: celebrations there, having concerts and all sorts of thing. They're
Speaker 3: pushing the boat out with that one. I don't think
Speaker 3: that's traditionally something we've commemorated or celebrated in New Zealand
Speaker 3: with it's so short, it's so close to Ndsac Day.
Speaker 3: That's my understanding, but I might be wrong with that.
Speaker 3: There might probably be some gun salute. I don't think
Speaker 3: we do gun salutes as often now, do we. That's
Speaker 3: a worry Funny enough, I've always quite enjured a gun salute.
Speaker 3: Maybe we just don't get them in Southland. Maybe it's
Speaker 3: still a major city thing, now that I think about it.
Speaker 3: I have swum from a boat anchored just off Alcatraz
Speaker 3: Island to Golden Gate Bridge as part of the Escape
Speaker 3: from Alcatraz Triathlon, one of the most significant bucketless items
Speaker 3: ticked off so far in my life. It was like
Speaker 3: swimming across the river due to the current. Oh yes,
Speaker 3: we know that. From the America's Cup. They talk about
Speaker 3: the sharks and the cold, but neither got me. An
Speaker 3: interesting test text the North Island had more tortala forest
Speaker 3: to make posts and batons out of, and the ground
Speaker 3: in the South Island is rocky, so more warretaz and netting.
Speaker 3: I was actually watching's talking about different styles of fence,
Speaker 3: the netting fence versus the wire and baton fence. So
Speaker 3: that's of interest. But if you're to any of these
Speaker 3: things more than and also home helps. But all the
Speaker 3: lines are free here Tel twelve. If there's something different
Speaker 3: you want to talk about, I'm good on that too.
Speaker 3: I'm happy with that, looking forward to that. Make you
Speaker 3: move people. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty have real
Speaker 3: bad weather projected for Southland from Thursday. A river of
Speaker 3: water is coming down. Good evening. Vallet's Marcus, Welcome high Marcus.
Speaker 20: Here's my husband and I did the trip to Alcatraz
Speaker 20: and there's three hundred steps to get from the ferry
Speaker 20: up to.
Speaker 3: The po is that I'll look at on Google Maps. Okay, wow, okay, yep,
Speaker 3: oh wow, yeah.
Speaker 20: Of course my husband had had a heart attack it
Speaker 20: you know stage two years before that. I was worried, sick,
Speaker 20: you wouldn't make it. I was terrible. Prenfil place.
Speaker 3: Is it why you went Did you go to San Francisco?
Speaker 3: Was that part of the was it the main reason
Speaker 3: for the trip?
Speaker 20: No, no, no, we were in America for three months,
Speaker 20: so it's just happen to be one of the places
Speaker 20: my husband wanted to go, so we did it. But
Speaker 20: that's you know, nineteen fifties we went there. It scared
Speaker 20: the last for me.
Speaker 3: What year did you say you went there? Nineteen?
Speaker 20: We went thirty years ago.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, well I can't see where all the steps are,
Speaker 3: but that must be where the boat comes in as well.
Speaker 20: You get off the boat, and then you had I think,
Speaker 20: you know, it's a long time ago. Now, I'm pretty
Speaker 20: sure they were almost straight up the hill, a slope
Speaker 20: that they didn't big zag or anything that I can
Speaker 20: not that I can remember.
Speaker 3: Did you buy tours Did you buy any tourist mementos?
Speaker 9: No?
Speaker 20: No, we didn't know. My husband did. Be He went
Speaker 20: into the cell, you know, they they could only take
Speaker 20: two or three or something at one time, and shut
Speaker 20: the door, and he said it was absolutely pitch black.
Speaker 20: I'd have gone here. I would go on it and
Speaker 20: they into one of the rooms. But yeah, it wasn't
Speaker 20: my idea of a great exhibition, but there you are.
Speaker 20: It was something he wanted to do, so.
Speaker 3: We did it very good and he got up the
Speaker 3: steps all right, eh.
Speaker 20: Yeah, yeah, we made the steps. Yeah, but oh well,
Speaker 20: I mean you've got to come down again. Of course,
Speaker 20: it's only one way up, one way down.
Speaker 3: How long was the tour?
Speaker 20: I suppose we were there for an hour. By the
Speaker 20: time we you know, zig zagged up the lease, walked
Speaker 20: up the steps and back again, we would probably have
Speaker 20: been inside for about half an hour forty minutes, but
Speaker 20: I think there would have been about forty of us, so,
Speaker 20: you know, by the time they spoot you up into
Speaker 20: little groups to look at this and look at that
Speaker 20: and lock you in the cell, and that would have
Speaker 20: I couldn't have done that.
Speaker 9: That was the.
Speaker 20: Security one, you know, when they wanted to punish them,
Speaker 20: and you could only get about three people and at
Speaker 20: one time, and it was my husband went into. It
Speaker 20: was absolutely pitch black. It was only I think about
Speaker 20: three of them went and was standing room only, you know,
Speaker 20: it was a punishment room.
Speaker 3: Were the guides former prison guards by any chance?
Speaker 20: Sorry so again, were.
Speaker 3: The guides former prison guard.
Speaker 20: I'm not quite sure about that. Memory's gone Okay, long
Speaker 20: time ago, thirty years, a long time ago.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I suppose it's one of those things you only
Speaker 3: do once. Say.
Speaker 20: Yeah, well we were in our fifties, you know, I say,
Speaker 20: and getting up I was worried about my husband getting
Speaker 20: up that hill because he had a heart problem.
Speaker 3: He had a heart attack, young, did he?
Speaker 20: Yes, it was only forty five when died at seventy three.
Speaker 9: So wow.
Speaker 20: Yeah, but it was one of those things he wanted
Speaker 20: to do, so we did it.
Speaker 9: Yep.
Speaker 6: What else?
Speaker 3: What else was on his American bucket list?
Speaker 10: Oh?
Speaker 20: We went to Oh, we went to a vineyard that
Speaker 20: used to be a TV program on which was a
Speaker 20: wine vineyard. I can't remember the name of it now.
Speaker 20: And we bought some bottles of wine. Thought we were great,
Speaker 20: but oh the wine was terrible.
Speaker 3: Was it was?
Speaker 9: It?
Speaker 3: Falcon's crest On Dynasty? Got it sounds like a character. Yeah, wow, okay,
Speaker 3: were no surprises. The wine was rubbish. Okay, yeah, it
Speaker 3: was terrible.
Speaker 20: Well to our taste anyway. Here ye, yeah, that's one
Speaker 20: of those things you do, you know. And all went
Speaker 20: over the San Francisco Bridge of course, Yes, that's where
Speaker 20: the winery. You had to go over the bridge to
Speaker 20: get to this winery that we went into wanted to
Speaker 20: go to.
Speaker 3: I wondered that videyard still there, because it's a long
Speaker 3: time ago that Sarah dynasty. Dynasty wasn't it was a
Speaker 3: long time ago.
Speaker 20: It's a long time ago here. But I mean when
Speaker 20: we went there, they wondered what we were going there for,
Speaker 20: because I think we had only seen the program, you know,
Speaker 20: quite a long time after it had been filmed, and
Speaker 20: that they were quite surprised that we knew anything about.
Speaker 3: Did you not try the wine before you bought it?
Speaker 20: No, I don't think so. They didn't have a wine
Speaker 20: tasting the day we went. There was no wine tasting,
Speaker 20: but they were prepared to sell us a bottle, which
Speaker 20: we did. I think we bought two bottles. I thought
Speaker 20: we'd have a party when we got home. Everybody said
Speaker 20: it was terrible in comparison with New Zealand lines.
Speaker 6: Of course, good to know.
Speaker 3: Well, thanks very much for that, granted's Marcus. Welcome, Marcus.
Speaker 16: I just thought put things right.
Speaker 9: On the day.
Speaker 16: It was actually May eight here in New Zealand, but
Speaker 16: in Europe it was May seventh.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 16: The actual signing of the surrender okay, And the next
Speaker 16: topic I'd like to mention is crime and punishment. I
Speaker 16: don't know if you read in the New Zealand here
Speaker 16: all the about a week ago an inquest about concerning
Speaker 16: a girl, a young woman who was murdered in christ
Speaker 16: Church by a cat named Brider.
Speaker 2: He was on.
Speaker 6: Parole.
Speaker 3: Yes, so I think that in quest is still ongoing.
Speaker 9: Is it quite likely it is?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not happy talking about that with the inquest
Speaker 3: still going. Yeah, but I think people are aware of
Speaker 3: the I think people are aware of the reporting of that.
Speaker 16: Yeah, well it was in Monday's Herald, page A nine.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's been quite there's been quite a lot of
Speaker 3: and I think it's ongoing. There's been quite a lot
Speaker 3: of reporting of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 16: Well it'll wait until until the inquest is over there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's I think it's I think it's
Speaker 3: the fair thing to do.
Speaker 6: Okay.
Speaker 16: Then, well about fencing, I don't know what quaite to
Speaker 16: say about it, but in the North on the line
Speaker 16: it was a state of the art for containing sheep,
Speaker 16: not so much for goats because they're pretty good at
Speaker 16: bleeping over fences. But you know, thirty forty years ago
Speaker 16: it was all sheet fencing.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 16: Like that person said, for posts per chain plus twenty
Speaker 16: battens plus probably seven or eight wires, that was only
Speaker 16: boundary fencing. You could do whatever you wanted for internal fencing. Sure,
Speaker 16: the law took effect with boundary fencing. And of course
Speaker 16: they fenced for deer and goats. What else do they
Speaker 16: fence for cattle? No problem really, just two or three wires,
Speaker 16: one of them electrified, particularly dairy animals as they went
Speaker 16: much of a bother didn't have to do internal fencing
Speaker 16: to a high standard for them. But that's the reason
Speaker 16: for the differences.
Speaker 3: I just been grospeck to VD.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 3: New Zealand's never really celebrated that, have we, because there
Speaker 3: was other war theaters were involved with it was continuing.
Speaker 3: Is that correct?
Speaker 16: Oh, in recent times we haven't celebrated, but sure was
Speaker 16: a big event in nineteen forty five.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but since then it's not something that we mark,
Speaker 3: is that right?
Speaker 16: I don't think so we concentrate on and that day
Speaker 16: probably a bit of celebration for the invasion in nineteen
Speaker 16: forty four.
Speaker 3: D Day, Yeah, and Armistice Day gets a bit of
Speaker 3: notice too, doesn't it.
Speaker 16: It did when I was a kid, we were in
Speaker 16: classroom and the teacher would have everything stopped for two
Speaker 16: minutes and pens down. That kind of thing. That was
Speaker 16: when I was at primary school. Last year at primary
Speaker 16: school was nineteen sixty four. We didn't market in high
Speaker 16: school though, that I can remember.
Speaker 3: You know, I've always remembered Armistice Armistice DA being commemorated
Speaker 3: by I almost think it was commemorated by gun salutes
Speaker 3: as well.
Speaker 16: I don't remember, but in the thirties and forties, I
Speaker 16: think even a traffic stopped for Armistice Day. Yeah, buses,
Speaker 16: trolley buses and all that sort of thing. They all
Speaker 16: took it really seriously, and probably rightly so. After the
Speaker 16: horrors of the First World War, I've just been resepting
Speaker 16: a relation of my father's. He was killed in Bomber
Speaker 16: Command and twentieth of May nineteen forty four. I never
Speaker 16: met him, but I knew his parents. Never came home
Speaker 16: to New Zealand, of course, and no known place. I
Speaker 16: don't know where the plane came down, somewhere between England
Speaker 16: and Germany. And yeah, he almost got to the end
Speaker 16: of a tour of operations, which was thirty odds wow.
Speaker 16: And they probably would have leaned on them heavily to
Speaker 16: do a second tour because they lost so many killed
Speaker 16: and POWs. And who knows whether he would have done
Speaker 16: a second tour. He got to about twenty six offs.
Speaker 16: He just fell short by a few, but it was
Speaker 16: a pretty dangerous thing to do in the early part
Speaker 16: of nineteen forty four. I'm just trying to just trying
Speaker 16: to find his parents place in Auckland because we were
Speaker 16: invited to go inside the lancast obomba because he was
Speaker 16: a relation and man that was We just did that
Speaker 16: two weeks ago, and that was a seriously sober experience.
Speaker 16: And hell hence he flying over enemy territory and this
Speaker 16: thing all those years, no such things comfort.
Speaker 3: What do you mean you're trying to find his parents
Speaker 3: place in Auckland.
Speaker 16: Oh? Well, I used to visit his parents place in
Speaker 16: Western spring That It's fifty years since I've been there,
Speaker 16: and I've a feeling that Northwestern Motorway might have taken
Speaker 16: the house.
Speaker 3: Yeah, must have taken up a fair bit of land there,
Speaker 3: coming right through were they Western Springs or point sheheer
Speaker 3: of Western Yeah.
Speaker 16: Okay, just near the bullet track just about two hundred
Speaker 16: meters from the bullet track the bottom of the bullet
Speaker 16: track across from there the motorway cuts through. And I
Speaker 16: don't know how the motorway affected Bannerman Street that I
Speaker 16: see on the map. It takes a severe turn.
Speaker 3: I would I would imagine Benan. I would imagine Western
Speaker 3: Springs Street road went right through. Were they on Bennerman Street?
Speaker 4: Were they.
Speaker 13: It was?
Speaker 3: Wasn't it you? And I would imagine half of that?
Speaker 3: And was it a wooden villa type house?
Speaker 10: Was it?
Speaker 12: Yes?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 16: I think I would know it if I could see it.
Speaker 16: I had one lock recently the day we went inside
Speaker 16: the land. I'll have another lot. It's time I go
Speaker 16: to Auckland.
Speaker 3: Just try and did you did you know a street?
Speaker 3: Know that you would have? You would have known the
Speaker 3: street address, wouldn't you?
Speaker 16: Number four. I believe that we didn't spot it on
Speaker 16: that day because it was raining and we didn't know
Speaker 16: exactly what we were looking for. I thought I saw
Speaker 16: saw the property. I thought that doesn't look because I've
Speaker 16: had a circular window face in the street but unusual
Speaker 16: and didn't see that. So just not satisfied that we've
Speaker 16: wrung it out totally. So I'll go back there and look.
Speaker 3: I don't know, because I image it's something one of
Speaker 3: our listeners could could know. But it's not like that
Speaker 3: bit was cut off as the You can't tell from
Speaker 3: the street numbers either, can you, because the numbered from
Speaker 3: the other way. You thought it was number four, didn't you.
Speaker 16: No, I'm not certain of my situation now but regarding
Speaker 16: the street. But I will have another look at it,
Speaker 16: and then it's one couple of months, I'll go back
Speaker 16: into Auckland.
Speaker 3: What was their name in case anyone knows.
Speaker 16: Brown?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and.
Speaker 16: Yeah, his name was ped Howard in his name that
Speaker 16: was his mother's maiden name. My cousin put out a
Speaker 16: request on online to see if anything will come to
Speaker 16: the surface because when I was a kid going there,
Speaker 16: his log was sitting there, but I was too young
Speaker 16: to read his handwriting. And you know, Obama commanded Center
Speaker 16: effects back from Britain, and it sat there and until
Speaker 16: the uncle died.
Speaker 2: And then.
Speaker 3: What's probably your interest just because you thought there were
Speaker 3: things that you hadn't found that you.
Speaker 16: Oh, just the fact that he was a relation that
Speaker 16: never came back from the war. Yeah, Okay, my cousin's
Speaker 16: been doing stuff online and that prompted my interest. So
Speaker 16: the two of us decided to get ourselves an invitation
Speaker 16: to see the Lancaster. It was very sober and actually
Speaker 16: nothing exciting about it.
Speaker 3: Did you say the house had a round window?
Speaker 16: Yes, about two foot diameter maybe.
Speaker 12: Mmm?
Speaker 16: Have you okay?
Speaker 3: I'll keep looking, Grant.
Speaker 6: Thank you.
Speaker 3: Haven't seen it on Google Maps. Someone might know something. Marcus.
Speaker 3: I drive a green milk tank and have just driven
Speaker 3: down Stateho twenty seven towards Mutter Mutter and most of
Speaker 3: the farm. Most of the posts on the farm each
Speaker 3: are close and in the farm a lot further apart.
Speaker 3: That's from Rick. Thank you Rick.
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