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Speaker 2: Hello, are you great New Zealanders and welcome to get

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Speaker 2: this Matt and Tyler Full Show Podcast number two hundred.

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Speaker 2: This is the two hundredth show we've done.

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Speaker 3: You beauty congredible.

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Speaker 2: That's quite incredible, wasn't it?

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Speaker 3: That is incredible.

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Speaker 2: It's gone so quick. So when did we start. We'll

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Speaker 2: be coming up on a year.

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Speaker 3: Was that October the seventh? I think we had our

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Speaker 3: first one number one.

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Speaker 2: Tell you what it's down at Radio Hoodachi the other day.

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Speaker 2: Good one around at this this morning, and I was like,

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Speaker 2: this was my that was my home for so very long,

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Speaker 2: eleven years. I did that show yep. And then now

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Speaker 2: I go down there and go, no, no, that seems

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Speaker 2: like a lifetime ago.

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Speaker 3: Now you've made it a floor above.

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Speaker 2: This is weird. This is my home. Yeah, this is

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Speaker 2: this is Matt and Tyler afternoons on new Stalk sed Bee.

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Speaker 2: Feels bloody good. It's a great place to be.

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Speaker 3: It is a great place to be. Well, how long

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Speaker 3: until you're on the next floor, mate, it's pretty good

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Speaker 3: up there as well. I think they've got a water

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Speaker 2: I'm coming for your job. See look next for there,

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Speaker 2: stop on the ladder up for me, and this company

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Speaker 2: is being ceo.

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Speaker 3: I could see that. I could see that. Yeah, Boxy

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Speaker 3: knows it as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah no, look great doing the show with you, Tyler.

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Speaker 2: And look, if things go well, I can see us

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Speaker 2: getting another fifteen to twenty episodes in before we're done.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, me too, me too. Yeah, we can do it.

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Speaker 2: Back in two fifties. Now it seems unlikely.

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Speaker 3: We're on the crease. The pressures on Cowby on. We

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Speaker 3: can make that two fifty download subscribe, give us a review.

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Speaker 2: And give from a task simplest you go listen to pot.

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Speaker 3: Thank you guys, Okay, love you.

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Speaker 1: Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything

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Speaker 1: in between. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons news Talk said.

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Speaker 3: The very good Afternoons You welcome into Monday show. Really

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Speaker 3: good to have your company as always.

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Speaker 2: Get a mess, get a Tyler, get it everyone. Thank

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Speaker 2: you so much for tuning in. Hope you had a

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Speaker 2: fantastic weekend. We have three hours of average to above

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Speaker 2: every radio for him.

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Speaker 3: Yep, we can promise you that much and what a

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Speaker 3: weekend it was. Now mate, you were at the game yourself,

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Speaker 3: How was your experience?

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, what an experience. So incredibly the whole

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Speaker 2: area around the city was absolutely buzzing before the game.

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Speaker 2: Walking in there, South African fans were just so great.

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Speaker 2: They were giving it one hundred. The restaurants, bars, everything

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Speaker 2: was incredible. Then walking into the grounds, it felt almost

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Speaker 2: like a Rugby World Cup. It was so exciting. The

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Speaker 2: game was great. By the end. Oh my god, nearly

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Speaker 2: the on all of us. But got there and thank goodness,

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Speaker 2: and the Eden Park record remains. At halftime, I was

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Speaker 2: there to run a quiz halftime quizep and this was

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Speaker 2: an intimidating audience in front of me. Right, So we

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Speaker 2: and do my quiz. That is my code quiz.

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Speaker 3: That's an intimidating audience, to say the least. And how

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 2: The first question, I thought, well, I'm looking at all

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Speaker 2: was the President of the United States when the All

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Speaker 3: Great question?

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Speaker 2: And then supplementary question, who was the Prime Minister in

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Speaker 2: The All Blacks lost at Eden Park?

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Speaker 3: So that was nineteen thirty seven or no, not to

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Speaker 2: General nineteen it was nineteen ninety four. The last time

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Speaker 2: And the PM of New Zealand, our PM, who was

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Speaker 3: The time, Helen Clark, no mane Ah Shipley no mate,

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Speaker 3: oh no, Bulger Bulger, Bulger, bulger. Oh fantastic bul joy questions,

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Speaker 3: thank you, Yeah, love it. Fantastic weekend And we're so

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Speaker 3: on Saturday night in Wellington. Right on to today's show

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Speaker 3: after three o'clock. We've already had so much buying for

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Speaker 3: this one. Reading is in trouble around the world. Multiple

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Speaker 3: studies in multiple places show the same thing. Adults are

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Speaker 3: So in America the share of people who read for

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Speaker 2: It's all part of the diminishing attention span. I think

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Speaker 2: reading should be political, but just if you can't read

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Speaker 3: Hand up on one of those people. But there's going

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's changed a lot, hasn't it? What being

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Speaker 3: Five looking forward to that after two o'clock. But right now,

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Speaker 3: let's have a chat about a colorful makeover coming for

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Speaker 3: Auckland's Perimo Remo prison unit, which houses some of our

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Speaker 3: So it's receiving a fresh paint job with colorful designs

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Speaker 2: So, no matter what you have you, no matter what

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Speaker 2: really the question. It is the age old question. You know,

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Speaker 2: do you make prison just so horrible? And this is

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Speaker 2: let's take this across all prisons, in all parts of prison,

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Speaker 2: do you make prison just so horrible that it puts

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Speaker 2: because that's part of justice, isn't it. It is so

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Speaker 2: and you may not want a flashy, lovely prison with

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Speaker 2: hell like situation for them.

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Speaker 3: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

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Speaker 3: Two prisoners deserve to have colorful murals and to make

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Speaker 3: to bring us the latest in the situation. After the

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Speaker 3: You're listening to Matt and Tyler the.

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Speaker 1: Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything

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Speaker 5: Matt Heath and Tayler Adams.

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Speaker 3: Afternoons News Talks, AB say, as we know, major police

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Speaker 3: operation is under way to find fugitive Marta Cooper's father,

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Speaker 3: Tom Phillips, remaining two children after he was shot dead

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Speaker 3: There be's Jordan done is on the ground in Peel

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Speaker 3: Peel and joins us. Now, Jordan, very good afternoon.

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Speaker 2: To you, Hey guys, Ajan a good thanks. Fist up.

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Speaker 2: Any word on the condition of the police officer that

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Speaker 6: Well, all we really know is there was a shot

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Speaker 6: They're going to be undergoing multiple surgeries. But other than

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Speaker 6: we're hoping get some of that more information.

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Speaker 2: Do we know what has happened with the child who

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Speaker 3: What sort of police presence is on the ground in

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Speaker 6: There's definitely a lot of police resources. Police have said

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Speaker 2: What are the ages of the kids? We don't know

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Speaker 6: So the eldest I believe is twelve years old, the

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Speaker 6: And obviously they first this all started three years ago,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, I mean whichever ones that are out there,

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Speaker 6: Yeah, well that's exactly what I asked. They asked you,

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well, let's just hope that the one that

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Speaker 6: Well, it was actually slightly earlier when there was a

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Speaker 6: Family at the stage, not much. I believe the sister

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Speaker 2: When is the next major press conference from authorities on this, as.

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Speaker 6: In one book they have indicated there'll be one three

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Speaker 6: They did this because instead of being at Hamilton like

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Speaker 6: of assess the situation. It could be Impure Pure, it

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Speaker 3: Yep, Jordan, thank you very much for that update. We'll

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Speaker 3: That is Newstalks. Airb's Jordan done with the latest line

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Speaker 3: which is a colorful makeover coming for Auckland's Perimo Remo prison.

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Speaker 3: It's in a bid to lift its oppressive conditions, so

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Speaker 2: So do you agree with this or do you think,

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Speaker 2: as this text does, that prison should be as close

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Speaker 7: Oh?

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Speaker 3: What one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call?

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Speaker 3: Nine to ninety two is that text number? It's twenty

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking.

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Speaker 8: Breakfast Prime Minister crystobal Lux and joins us. Sixty six

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Speaker 8: percent of the government want out of Paris? How do

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Speaker 9: Coalition government has made the correct assessment that actually, if

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Speaker 9: massive punishment to our farmers and it's going to make

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Speaker 9: Ordany Cylanders poor because a large multinational countries that.

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Speaker 2: We sell our products to, they're going to kick us

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Speaker 8: Wasn't for the farmers because you reference trade here and

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Speaker 2: It's not working. I mean that's just a statement effect.

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Speaker 9: Well, I mean we are doing we are prioritizing economic

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Speaker 2: So do you still believe?

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Speaker 3: News Talk zid B twenty seven past one. So a

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Speaker 3: asked them what exactly will be painted.

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Speaker 10: We're not talking about pictures of people and landscapes. We're

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Speaker 10: nice and simple because they've all been with stencils, and

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Speaker 10: inevitably this is a prison unit and things will get

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Speaker 2: It repainted something that they didn't get the prisoners to

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Speaker 2: paint it. And for security reasons, they didn't get their

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Speaker 3: There's not much you can do with that.

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Speaker 2: I guess the stencils might be, might be, might be

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Speaker 3: Yeah, very very true. Oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty

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Speaker 2: Craig, welcome to the show. Your thoughts, Yeah, guy, guys.

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Speaker 11: Hey, they always used to have the crime up an

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Speaker 2: At the.

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Speaker 11: Person I don't want to be. And this is the

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Speaker 11: So you know, I really feel for some of the

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Speaker 11: guys in there. Because a society and treated them right

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Speaker 11: and governments were having proper places for them, they would

438
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Speaker 11: never be in prison.

439
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Speaker 2: How do you wear that with the needs of these people,

440
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Speaker 2: with the needs of you know, of the victims, and

441
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Speaker 2: the need for punishment to make them be able to

442
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Speaker 2: get on with their lives, knowing that that these people,

443
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Speaker 2: that this person that's committed this crime has been punished properly.

444
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Speaker 11: Absolutely, there's some there's there's there's a lot of guys

445
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Speaker 11: in prison where I believe you ight away to keep

446
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Speaker 11: give them nothing, you know, But I'm talking about the

447
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Speaker 11: ones that they got.

448
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Speaker 12: Me to.

449
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Speaker 11: Describe as your special needs. And these are guys that

450
00:21:08,133 --> 00:21:11,853
Speaker 11: the only reason they committed their crime. The guy that

451
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Speaker 11: I referred to, he had been in King Seat hospital

452
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Speaker 11: from a child right through to an adult and then

453
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Speaker 11: he's pussed out on the streets when they close it down.

454
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Speaker 11: That's why he's in prison.

455
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he doesn't much a victim, right, so he should

456
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Speaker 2: You think he should have been institutionalized as his whole

457
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Speaker 2: life before he could end up aginstitutionalized for a crime

458
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Speaker 2: he thinks he should.

459
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Speaker 11: Be should have been in institutionalized whole life. Now at Kingstey,

460
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Speaker 11: they could they are beautiful grounds, they could walk around

461
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Speaker 11: in perheads of it, and now had to just read

462
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Speaker 11: them within the grounds during the day that they were

463
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Speaker 11: monitored and they were cared for, and they had their

464
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Speaker 11: medication were keenly given to them, and then they put

465
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Speaker 11: them out into society. And a lot of these people

466
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Speaker 11: from those hospitals have committed who endus crimes, but they

467
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Speaker 11: had Unfortunately we think they're the scum of the earth,

468
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Speaker 11: but actually there's just as much a victim as their

469
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Speaker 11: victim because of what our government did.

470
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Speaker 2: Government does not seem like a good idea to put

471
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Speaker 2: people out that believe they're going to re offend again.

472
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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. I mean that is a special case what

473
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Speaker 3: you just mentioned though, isn't it, Craig. And then you

474
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Speaker 3: look at the other people on the other side, because

475
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Speaker 3: surely if someone like that is worthy of wrap around

476
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Speaker 3: service and rehabilitation, even people who commit the worst of

477
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Speaker 3: the worst are still worthy of trying to have some

478
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Speaker 3: sort of rehab unless they're never getting out of prison.

479
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Speaker 11: Well, you can't, you can't force rehab.

480
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Speaker 7: We have.

481
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Speaker 11: We look like when they want, but it's only comes

482
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Speaker 11: with age, okay, and prison. I know Mounted and prison.

483
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Speaker 11: There are huge murals around the walls of Mounted and

484
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Speaker 11: that were painted by inmates. That was a Roman prison

485
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Speaker 11: whom were up at Maxie in the West Division, and

486
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Speaker 11: that they didn't have the mules around there, but there

487
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Speaker 11: was they did have workshops that they could go to

488
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Speaker 11: and and I think all of that's gone now. So

489
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Speaker 11: there was you know, there was engineering workshops, who were

490
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Speaker 11: the joinery workshops. Who was in the kitchen, there was

491
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Speaker 11: the clothing industries and but now and I think there's

492
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Speaker 11: there's very little less and flu inmates now sto for work.

493
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Speaker 11: So I think that's probably most of the problem because

494
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Speaker 11: idle hands.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think if you call.

496
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Speaker 3: Craig, Yeah, very interesting. Oh one hundred and eighty ten

497
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Speaker 3: eighty is the number to call. Should our prisons be

498
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Speaker 3: grim and oppressive? Or do we need to be doing

499
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Speaker 3: more like colorful murals and actually looking after the human

500
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Speaker 3: rights of some prisoners.

501
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Speaker 2: Matt says, the sex of losing your freedom s less

502
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Speaker 2: liberty is your punishment these people who want them to

503
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Speaker 2: suffer a little unhinged. I believe, now, if you are

504
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Speaker 2: found not guilty by reason of insanity, don't you get

505
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Speaker 2: sent you get sent to a different facility. Don't you

506
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Speaker 2: secure mental health facility? Am I right? There's the one

507
00:24:15,933 --> 00:24:18,533
Speaker 2: in Auckland, that's the Mason Clinic. That's what I believe,

508
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Speaker 2: which is you're not sent to if you're found guilty

509
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Speaker 2: by reason of insanity, then it's a different.

510
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Speaker 3: It's dedicated hospital prison that is devoted.

511
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Speaker 2: Where you could end up there forever.

512
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Speaker 3: Yeah, if you know, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is

513
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Speaker 3: a number to call, nine two ninety two. And if

514
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Speaker 3: you are an ex prisoner or you've got family members

515
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Speaker 3: of people who are in prison, what are conditions like

516
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Speaker 3: at the moment you agree that the oppress of nature

517
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Speaker 3: needs to be lifted up to help these prisoners rehabilitate.

518
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Speaker 2: Love to hear from you, guys, from years of personal experience,

519
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Speaker 2: making prison anything other than a dungeon is a mistake.

520
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Speaker 2: It needs to be hard, ugly and downright mean. This

521
00:24:52,413 --> 00:24:54,733
Speaker 2: fulfills some of the needs of the victim, but also

522
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Speaker 2: doesn't appeal as an alternative to being a normal nice person.

523
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Speaker 2: Took me fifteen years to learn because it was way

524
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Speaker 2: too easy. So no paint.

525
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Speaker 3: Thanks Graham, Yeah, thank you very much. It is twenty

526
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Speaker 3: five to do. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty eight.

527
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Speaker 3: The number call.

528
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Speaker 5: You talk said the.

529
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Speaker 13: Headlines with Blue Bubble taxis that's no trouble with the

530
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Speaker 13: Blue Bubble. A major police operation is under way to

531
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Speaker 13: find futitive Maracoppa father Tom Phillips, remaining two children after

532
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Speaker 13: he was shot dead by police on a rural Waikato road.

533
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Speaker 13: Officers responded to reports for breakin at a rural supply

534
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Speaker 13: store before Phillips was shot dead after a confrontation with police.

535
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Speaker 13: The coalitions unable to form a government. In the latest

536
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Speaker 13: political poll, this month's Taxpayers Union Curier Pole paces Labour

537
00:25:46,013 --> 00:25:49,053
Speaker 13: on thirty three point eight percent, with National slightly behind

538
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Speaker 13: on thirty three point one percent. The sole survivor of

539
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Speaker 13: a deadly mushroomed lunch has thanked the prosecution following the

540
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Speaker 13: sentencing of triple murderer Aaron Patterson. Patterson's been jailed for

541
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Speaker 13: life with a non parole period of thirty three years

542
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Speaker 13: for the murder of her husband's relatives after lacing their

543
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Speaker 13: beef Wellington's with death cap Mushrooms and senior doctors and

544
00:26:13,213 --> 00:26:15,733
Speaker 13: dentists working for Health New Zealand and voted to strike

545
00:26:15,853 --> 00:26:19,693
Speaker 13: for forty eight hours overstalled paytalks. The strikes are set

546
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Speaker 13: to take place on the twenty third and twenty fourth

547
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Speaker 13: of September. How a broken system denied my mum a

548
00:26:26,893 --> 00:26:30,573
Speaker 13: peaceful death See the full column at NZED Herald Premium.

549
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Speaker 13: Back to Matt Heath and Tyler Adams.

550
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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Jody so Pamodmo prison is getting

551
00:26:35,773 --> 00:26:37,533
Speaker 3: a bit of a paint job and a bid to

552
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Speaker 3: lift oppressive conditions. It's on the back of Chief Ombudsman

553
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Speaker 3: Peter Bocher, who outlined is concerned about human rights abuses

554
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Speaker 3: within our prison and he said at the time, I

555
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Speaker 3: consider the human impact of the conditions and treatment of

556
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Speaker 3: the people in custody to be cruel and inhumane.

557
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Speaker 2: Fellers, mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent.

558
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Speaker 2: That's from David good.

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Speaker 3: Line that, oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty is the

560
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Speaker 3: number to call if you are a victim and the

561
00:27:03,853 --> 00:27:05,853
Speaker 3: offender went to prison. How do you feel about this?

562
00:27:06,053 --> 00:27:09,013
Speaker 3: Do you want them to be in grim, oppressive prisons

563
00:27:09,413 --> 00:27:11,493
Speaker 3: or do you see some merits in the idea of

564
00:27:12,173 --> 00:27:15,733
Speaker 3: you know, the idea of murals and making a rehabilitation

565
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Speaker 3: perhaps a bit more successful. Vow, how are you this afternoon?

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Speaker 14: I'm tying thank you. I just was hearing it before,

567
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Speaker 14: and I thought of a book I had a few

568
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Speaker 14: years ago, and it was about prisons in America and

569
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Speaker 14: how they painted some of them all green and pink inside,

570
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Speaker 14: and that calmed the people down very much better than

571
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Speaker 14: any other color or murals or anything, just plain greens

572
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Speaker 14: and pinks, and it really calmed them down.

573
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Speaker 2: And do you think that's just because? The big question? Valas,

574
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Speaker 2: do you think that's a good thing? Do you think

575
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Speaker 2: that the present you don't think the prison should be

576
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Speaker 2: as horrible as they possibly could.

577
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Speaker 14: For I think they should be horrible, but not in color,

578
00:28:06,373 --> 00:28:10,413
Speaker 14: because those two colors are very calming colors. And it

579
00:28:10,613 --> 00:28:14,693
Speaker 14: did calm the people down, and it helped a lot

580
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Speaker 14: of them for getting out.

581
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Speaker 3: And so what was that do you know the research

582
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Speaker 3: behind that val Clearly it worked to some extent and

583
00:28:22,573 --> 00:28:25,213
Speaker 3: calming them down, but that was the whole point of

584
00:28:25,293 --> 00:28:28,533
Speaker 3: the exercise, right, yes, yep.

585
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Speaker 14: And they would be better to the staff.

586
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Speaker 2: Too, Okay, yeah, I mean that's that's a good thing,

587
00:28:35,413 --> 00:28:38,093
Speaker 2: because it's a pretty rough job being a you know,

588
00:28:38,933 --> 00:28:42,373
Speaker 2: working in the custodial services. I'm just looking at Thank

589
00:28:42,413 --> 00:28:45,253
Speaker 2: you for your call, VEW. Whenever you talk about the subject,

590
00:28:45,333 --> 00:28:47,933
Speaker 2: people always bring up those Scandinavian countries that always in

591
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Speaker 2: the top of all the happiness indexed and punishing stuff,

592
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Speaker 2: and then people forget that they just have heaps of

593
00:28:52,813 --> 00:28:54,333
Speaker 2: oil money and that's why they do so well. And

594
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Speaker 2: we compare them unfeely with US et cetera, et cetera.

595
00:28:56,133 --> 00:28:59,253
Speaker 2: It's another issue. But just looking at these Norwegian prison

596
00:28:59,333 --> 00:29:03,253
Speaker 2: cells and they i mean it's a cliche but that

597
00:29:03,453 --> 00:29:04,373
Speaker 2: they are hotel.

598
00:29:04,133 --> 00:29:05,973
Speaker 3: Rooms, pretty nice. I've seen them before.

599
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Speaker 2: They're pretty nice, yew, they are.

600
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Speaker 3: It is like a university kind of style hall, isn't it.

601
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Speaker 5: Well.

602
00:29:12,013 --> 00:29:14,453
Speaker 2: I'm looking at one right now and you've got an

603
00:29:14,493 --> 00:29:17,213
Speaker 2: inmate who's sitting on the roof in the sun. He's

604
00:29:17,253 --> 00:29:20,733
Speaker 2: got a balcony Yep, he's got a balcony and he's

605
00:29:20,733 --> 00:29:21,893
Speaker 2: got like a deck chair.

606
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Speaker 5: Lovely.

607
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Speaker 2: I don't know if that's standard. I'd imagine he Isn't

608
00:29:27,373 --> 00:29:33,693
Speaker 2: he isn't you know, at the upper end of you know,

609
00:29:34,213 --> 00:29:37,013
Speaker 2: I don't imagine he's the most dangerous criminal. But there

610
00:29:37,053 --> 00:29:41,453
Speaker 2: are people in Norwegian prisons that can some bathe. I

611
00:29:41,453 --> 00:29:43,093
Speaker 2: don't know how often you can sunbathe in Norway.

612
00:29:43,133 --> 00:29:45,053
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure they've got access to saunas as well,

613
00:29:45,093 --> 00:29:46,773
Speaker 3: and that's more than I've got to be honest, I

614
00:29:46,893 --> 00:29:48,613
Speaker 3: eight one hundred and eighty ten eighties number to call.

615
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Speaker 3: But just on that, I mean, there's that balance right

616
00:29:50,573 --> 00:29:55,013
Speaker 3: between say a Mexican prison, which is by all accounts,

617
00:29:55,853 --> 00:29:58,013
Speaker 3: do or die. You know, it is dog eat dog,

618
00:29:58,293 --> 00:30:00,973
Speaker 3: and the gangs run the roost in those prisons, and

619
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Speaker 3: it is diabolical, and you're lucky that you if you

620
00:30:03,533 --> 00:30:05,613
Speaker 3: get one meal a day, you're pretty you're doing pretty well.

621
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Speaker 3: Then you've got the old Swedish version of the pre

622
00:30:08,573 --> 00:30:12,613
Speaker 3: which is by all accounts almost like university halls. So somewhere,

623
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Speaker 3: in my opinion, somewhere in the middle, you've got to

624
00:30:15,573 --> 00:30:22,093
Speaker 3: have that ability or the conditions to say that you're

625
00:30:22,133 --> 00:30:25,013
Speaker 3: being taken out of society because you've committed wrong against

626
00:30:25,053 --> 00:30:27,773
Speaker 3: people or society. So this is not going to be

627
00:30:27,853 --> 00:30:29,533
Speaker 3: some sort of summer camp. And I hate that cliche

628
00:30:29,573 --> 00:30:33,773
Speaker 3: and I know it gets used a lot versus conditions

629
00:30:33,853 --> 00:30:35,973
Speaker 3: like Mexico prison where you're lucky to make it out

630
00:30:36,013 --> 00:30:36,493
Speaker 3: of their lives.

631
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Speaker 2: Well, you check out at Ecuadorian prison. Yeah, with that

632
00:30:39,573 --> 00:30:42,813
Speaker 2: new president. Boy, boy, that's a busy prison. There's a

633
00:30:42,853 --> 00:30:47,253
Speaker 2: prison in the Republic of Congo that has six hundred percent,

634
00:30:47,373 --> 00:30:49,693
Speaker 2: so its capacity exceeds by six hundred percent. So they

635
00:30:49,693 --> 00:30:52,773
Speaker 2: build a prison for this many people and they've got

636
00:30:52,813 --> 00:30:54,653
Speaker 2: six times as many people in there as it's built for.

637
00:30:55,093 --> 00:30:57,013
Speaker 2: So if you're meant to have two people in a cell,

638
00:30:57,693 --> 00:30:59,013
Speaker 2: then you've got twelve people in a cell.

639
00:30:59,133 --> 00:31:01,253
Speaker 3: Yeah, and wouldn't you do whatever it takes to stay

640
00:31:01,293 --> 00:31:02,133
Speaker 3: out of a prison like that?

641
00:31:02,613 --> 00:31:05,933
Speaker 2: Prison has lost their human rights the minute they committed

642
00:31:06,013 --> 00:31:07,893
Speaker 2: a crime worthy of prison. The idea is to deter

643
00:31:08,053 --> 00:31:12,653
Speaker 2: them from committing crimes, not making them feel welcome and comfortable.

644
00:31:13,693 --> 00:31:17,133
Speaker 2: But there's also a middle ground where as val was saying,

645
00:31:17,213 --> 00:31:20,853
Speaker 2: where you make them calm and docile, so it's not

646
00:31:20,973 --> 00:31:22,373
Speaker 2: so punishing to be a prison guard.

647
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Speaker 3: What do you say, oh, on one hundred eighty ten

648
00:31:25,093 --> 00:31:27,253
Speaker 3: eighty is the number to call? Nine two nine two.

649
00:31:27,893 --> 00:31:31,253
Speaker 3: Is improving the conditions of the lunks of perima Remo

650
00:31:31,293 --> 00:31:33,613
Speaker 3: a good thing? Or do you think it should be

651
00:31:33,693 --> 00:31:35,973
Speaker 3: grim and oppressive? It is sixteen to two.

652
00:31:36,133 --> 00:31:39,333
Speaker 2: This Texas says all prisoners should have access to quality

653
00:31:39,453 --> 00:31:41,333
Speaker 2: adult material that will calm them down.

654
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Speaker 3: I wonder if they've got that in Sweden.

655
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Speaker 2: I don't know about Sweden, but I bet they've got

656
00:31:45,613 --> 00:31:48,773
Speaker 2: it in Norway. Have a chat with the lads.

657
00:31:48,933 --> 00:31:52,213
Speaker 1: On eight hundred eighty ten eighty Matt Heathen Tayler Adams

658
00:31:52,333 --> 00:31:53,733
Speaker 1: Afternoons news Talk.

659
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Speaker 3: Sa'd be afternoon to you. So should conditions be fair

660
00:31:57,253 --> 00:32:00,733
Speaker 3: and reasonable inside of prisons, particularly perima remo, which is

661
00:32:00,773 --> 00:32:03,373
Speaker 3: what we're discussing at the moment. They are looking to

662
00:32:03,853 --> 00:32:06,213
Speaker 3: brighten the place up with some murals? Is that the

663
00:32:06,293 --> 00:32:08,333
Speaker 3: way we should be going? Love to hear your thoughts.

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Speaker 2: Come on, guys, don't be so cliche. Yes, the Norwegian

665
00:32:11,413 --> 00:32:15,293
Speaker 2: prisons have amazing facilities, but also their recidivism rates are

666
00:32:15,333 --> 00:32:18,093
Speaker 2: way lower than in our failed system. The definition of

667
00:32:18,173 --> 00:32:20,293
Speaker 2: madness is doing the same thing over and over and

668
00:32:20,453 --> 00:32:23,253
Speaker 2: expecting a different result. Thanks for your text, Frank, But

669
00:32:23,373 --> 00:32:24,973
Speaker 2: that sort of leaves out the other part of it,

670
00:32:25,013 --> 00:32:28,773
Speaker 2: which is what makes all this stuff so complicated, is

671
00:32:28,813 --> 00:32:33,013
Speaker 2: that there is an aspect of justice which is revenge

672
00:32:33,093 --> 00:32:35,773
Speaker 2: on the person that's committed the crime. And whether that

673
00:32:35,973 --> 00:32:39,013
Speaker 2: makes sense or not, or whether that's magical thinking, who knows.

674
00:32:39,213 --> 00:32:41,693
Speaker 2: But if a terrible crime has happened to someone in

675
00:32:41,733 --> 00:32:46,293
Speaker 2: your family, you want to know that the person that

676
00:32:46,413 --> 00:32:50,293
Speaker 2: did it is getting punished. I mean, that's part of it.

677
00:32:50,333 --> 00:32:52,813
Speaker 2: That's part of justice, it's human nature, part of it's

678
00:32:52,893 --> 00:32:55,653
Speaker 2: keeping them off the streets, part of its rehabilitation, surely,

679
00:32:56,573 --> 00:32:58,373
Speaker 2: and part of it is revenge.

680
00:32:58,493 --> 00:33:00,733
Speaker 3: I can absolutely understand that if you've been a victim

681
00:33:00,773 --> 00:33:02,773
Speaker 3: of crime and the offender went to jail. Love to

682
00:33:02,813 --> 00:33:03,813
Speaker 3: hear what you think about this.

683
00:33:04,093 --> 00:33:06,133
Speaker 2: But I totally see your point. I mean, if someone's

684
00:33:06,133 --> 00:33:08,013
Speaker 2: going to come out of prison, if you know they're

685
00:33:08,013 --> 00:33:09,293
Speaker 2: not going to be there forever. If they're going to

686
00:33:09,333 --> 00:33:10,853
Speaker 2: be there forever, that's a different story. But if they're

687
00:33:10,893 --> 00:33:13,493
Speaker 2: going to come out of prison and rejoin society, then

688
00:33:14,293 --> 00:33:16,653
Speaker 2: do you want them to come out in a worse,

689
00:33:17,293 --> 00:33:20,693
Speaker 2: more violent, more horrific state. Than they win in or

690
00:33:20,813 --> 00:33:22,973
Speaker 2: do you want them to come out and once they've

691
00:33:23,013 --> 00:33:25,973
Speaker 2: served their time, be able to re enter society and

692
00:33:26,133 --> 00:33:29,173
Speaker 2: be a functioning member of society. As this Texas said,

693
00:33:29,173 --> 00:33:31,573
Speaker 2: the lowest rates of recidivism are in the countries with

694
00:33:31,613 --> 00:33:34,453
Speaker 2: the highest emphasis on education and rehabilitation in prison. The

695
00:33:34,573 --> 00:33:37,573
Speaker 2: more brutal the prison system, the more violent society becomes outside.

696
00:33:38,133 --> 00:33:40,093
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is the flip side of it. Absolutely. One

697
00:33:40,173 --> 00:33:41,653
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty ten eighty is number to call.

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Speaker 15: Get a John, Good afternoon.

699
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Speaker 16: How are you guys?

700
00:33:45,773 --> 00:33:47,973
Speaker 3: Very good? So what's your take on this? You've been

701
00:33:48,093 --> 00:33:49,653
Speaker 3: to or you'll visit at Mount Eden?

702
00:33:51,213 --> 00:33:51,453
Speaker 17: Yeah?

703
00:33:51,693 --> 00:33:56,013
Speaker 16: Yeah, I had a fan who unfortunately spend some Roman

704
00:33:56,173 --> 00:34:01,813
Speaker 16: time in there in the old prison and walking through

705
00:34:01,893 --> 00:34:05,253
Speaker 16: that prison. That's a place which I would never ever

706
00:34:05,893 --> 00:34:10,412
Speaker 16: want to visits or god, I'll go in at any time.

707
00:34:10,613 --> 00:34:15,613
Speaker 16: But I I think that that's the way prison should be.

708
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Speaker 3: Mm hmm.

709
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Speaker 2: I mean Mount Eden prisons are particularly imposing looking Victorian

710
00:34:22,173 --> 00:34:23,813
Speaker 2: era prison, isn't it. If you if you were going

711
00:34:23,893 --> 00:34:29,653
Speaker 2: to create a clich terrifying prison for a movie, it

712
00:34:29,693 --> 00:34:32,333
Speaker 2: would be Mount Eden Prison, wouldn't it, John?

713
00:34:33,973 --> 00:34:34,413
Speaker 16: Exactly?

714
00:34:34,573 --> 00:34:34,772
Speaker 18: Yeah?

715
00:34:34,893 --> 00:34:40,013
Speaker 16: Yeah, it was just a horrible place, and I certainly

716
00:34:40,053 --> 00:34:43,133
Speaker 16: wouldn't want to commit a crime and end up there. Well,

717
00:34:43,133 --> 00:34:45,373
Speaker 16: I wouldn't want to commit a crime, but I wouldn't

718
00:34:45,373 --> 00:34:47,893
Speaker 16: want to end up there at any time. What what

719
00:34:48,133 --> 00:34:53,773
Speaker 16: was your friend there for, John, Well, it was just

720
00:34:53,813 --> 00:34:54,613
Speaker 16: before Christmas.

721
00:34:54,773 --> 00:34:55,013
Speaker 14: It was.

722
00:34:57,333 --> 00:34:59,773
Speaker 16: They were they were at a party and his girlfriend

723
00:34:59,973 --> 00:35:01,732
Speaker 16: was a bit under the weather and he put into

724
00:35:01,813 --> 00:35:04,493
Speaker 16: bed and then he went into check on it and

725
00:35:04,613 --> 00:35:06,653
Speaker 16: a guy was trying to climb in bed with a

726
00:35:07,293 --> 00:35:11,853
Speaker 16: and he he just said it once and and unfortunately

727
00:35:11,973 --> 00:35:13,693
Speaker 16: he broke.

728
00:35:13,613 --> 00:35:16,733
Speaker 3: His neck and so killed him.

729
00:35:17,973 --> 00:35:22,493
Speaker 16: Yeah, didn't result was manslaughter, but yeah, it was just

730
00:35:22,573 --> 00:35:25,493
Speaker 16: a sad thing because he was a nice guy, but

731
00:35:25,613 --> 00:35:27,413
Speaker 16: he was a big guy.

732
00:35:27,493 --> 00:35:33,453
Speaker 3: And yeah, so see a crime like that is I

733
00:35:33,573 --> 00:35:36,453
Speaker 3: think about my own situation, is that what was to

734
00:35:36,573 --> 00:35:37,813
Speaker 3: happen to a family member?

735
00:35:38,333 --> 00:35:38,573
Speaker 19: Man?

736
00:35:38,773 --> 00:35:42,853
Speaker 3: That is yeah, devastating for your friend and for all involved.

737
00:35:45,773 --> 00:35:46,733
Speaker 2: Oh sorry, right, but.

738
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Speaker 16: I still believe that you know, people were taking and

739
00:35:56,133 --> 00:35:58,493
Speaker 16: putting in that prison, they wouldn't want to go there again.

740
00:35:58,773 --> 00:36:02,813
Speaker 16: And that's I believe that maybe that will put a

741
00:36:02,853 --> 00:36:06,813
Speaker 16: lot of people off. There's obviously a lot of criminals

742
00:36:06,893 --> 00:36:13,093
Speaker 16: which you never never ever give up and still end

743
00:36:13,173 --> 00:36:15,093
Speaker 16: up in jail for the most of their life.

744
00:36:16,133 --> 00:36:19,093
Speaker 2: Think you you kill John so mounted in prison? They

745
00:36:19,493 --> 00:36:20,973
Speaker 2: I don't think they're still I could be wrong, someone

746
00:36:21,013 --> 00:36:22,293
Speaker 2: can crept me on this, but I feel like they're

747
00:36:22,333 --> 00:36:26,573
Speaker 2: not using the old part of it anymore. I think

748
00:36:26,613 --> 00:36:29,013
Speaker 2: there's the other parts of it have been built since.

749
00:36:29,173 --> 00:36:33,493
Speaker 2: But I think that incredibly imposing looking ancient part of

750
00:36:33,573 --> 00:36:35,933
Speaker 2: the prison isn't housing anyone at the moment.

751
00:36:36,373 --> 00:36:39,172
Speaker 3: Yeah, someone, I think I read something like that. That's

752
00:36:39,213 --> 00:36:43,893
Speaker 3: the Shawshank Redemption kind of style. Old brickwork and imposing.

753
00:36:44,013 --> 00:36:45,732
Speaker 3: But yeah, whether they've still got a mates and they're

754
00:36:45,773 --> 00:36:47,053
Speaker 3: nine two nine two if you know, I.

755
00:36:47,053 --> 00:36:48,773
Speaker 2: Mean they've got mates in the area and the right

756
00:36:48,813 --> 00:36:50,293
Speaker 2: of thing. But I'm not sure they're actually in those

757
00:36:50,613 --> 00:36:53,732
Speaker 2: those old old cells. But but but I could be wrong,

758
00:36:54,053 --> 00:36:55,973
Speaker 2: and if they're not, we should opened that up for tourists.

759
00:36:56,213 --> 00:36:57,973
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I'd love to go because.

760
00:36:57,693 --> 00:36:59,493
Speaker 2: The Melbourne prison is incredible and you go in there.

761
00:36:59,533 --> 00:37:01,853
Speaker 2: Have you been to the Melbourne Prison known and the

762
00:37:01,933 --> 00:37:03,973
Speaker 2: cells have got the death masks they used to make

763
00:37:04,093 --> 00:37:06,773
Speaker 2: the masks of the criminal's faces before they hung them

764
00:37:06,813 --> 00:37:08,573
Speaker 2: in the prison. Yeah, So you go into these els

765
00:37:08,613 --> 00:37:09,893
Speaker 2: and they've got these death marks for.

766
00:37:09,893 --> 00:37:11,133
Speaker 3: Reebe one of the most famous ones.

767
00:37:11,173 --> 00:37:11,973
Speaker 2: Here is need killer in there?

768
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Speaker 3: Anyone spoky Oh. Eight hundred Haight topic eighty ten eighty

769
00:37:14,893 --> 00:37:17,213
Speaker 3: is the number to call. It is eight minutes to

770
00:37:17,293 --> 00:37:19,493
Speaker 3: two back very shortly listening to Matt and Tyner.

771
00:37:20,693 --> 00:37:24,253
Speaker 1: Matt Heath, Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred

772
00:37:24,253 --> 00:37:26,773
Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty. It's Mad Heath and Tylor Adams

773
00:37:26,933 --> 00:37:28,652
Speaker 1: afternoons news talks be.

774
00:37:30,573 --> 00:37:32,613
Speaker 3: Five to two Dennis, Very good afternoon to you.

775
00:37:33,613 --> 00:37:37,533
Speaker 20: Hello, Yeah, I'm calling about this topic. It's very very

776
00:37:37,613 --> 00:37:41,853
Speaker 20: simple actually that you can google it. Do harsh prison

777
00:37:41,973 --> 00:37:47,293
Speaker 20: sentences reduce crime? The answer comes up, No, they increase time.

778
00:37:47,893 --> 00:37:50,813
Speaker 20: So sending people to prison for harsh and harsher senators

779
00:37:50,853 --> 00:37:54,173
Speaker 20: a very expensive way of increasing the crime rate. And

780
00:37:54,293 --> 00:37:56,533
Speaker 20: if all people wants revenge, I've got to disagree with

781
00:37:56,613 --> 00:38:00,053
Speaker 20: you here. The revenge has got no place in justice.

782
00:38:00,253 --> 00:38:04,053
Speaker 20: Revenges for fools. In this particular case, the old saying

783
00:38:04,573 --> 00:38:07,733
Speaker 20: he who seeks revenge digs two graves is very apparent.

784
00:38:08,133 --> 00:38:10,733
Speaker 20: So somebody does something wrong to you and then they

785
00:38:10,813 --> 00:38:14,093
Speaker 20: get this harsh prison sentence makes you feel good, But

786
00:38:14,493 --> 00:38:17,773
Speaker 20: this kind of thing increases the crime rate. So these

787
00:38:17,853 --> 00:38:21,533
Speaker 20: total strangers who will be victims of future increased crimes,

788
00:38:21,853 --> 00:38:24,133
Speaker 20: pay the price for you to enjoy this nice little

789
00:38:24,173 --> 00:38:25,453
Speaker 20: feeling of revenge.

790
00:38:26,053 --> 00:38:28,333
Speaker 3: Think you for you called Tennis very nicely, pot I

791
00:38:28,413 --> 00:38:29,133
Speaker 3: think yeah.

792
00:38:29,173 --> 00:38:31,013
Speaker 2: I mean it is interesting because it feels like the

793
00:38:31,133 --> 00:38:33,413
Speaker 2: universe has been balanced if someone does something and then

794
00:38:33,453 --> 00:38:35,172
Speaker 2: we do something to them, But the universe hasn't really

795
00:38:35,213 --> 00:38:36,973
Speaker 2: been balanced. But it's really hard to tell that to

796
00:38:37,173 --> 00:38:39,172
Speaker 2: someone who's been the victim of a crime or someone

797
00:38:39,213 --> 00:38:41,653
Speaker 2: in their family has been a victim of a crime.

798
00:38:42,773 --> 00:38:45,652
Speaker 2: Mount Eden Prison has been close since twenty eleven, right

799
00:38:46,293 --> 00:38:48,573
Speaker 2: about that. And it is need Kelly's death mask that

800
00:38:48,653 --> 00:38:51,453
Speaker 2: you can find in the Melbourne prison.

801
00:38:51,693 --> 00:38:53,133
Speaker 3: I just had a look at photos that looks like

802
00:38:53,213 --> 00:38:54,133
Speaker 3: a grand prison man.

803
00:38:54,413 --> 00:38:54,613
Speaker 2: Yeah.

804
00:38:54,733 --> 00:38:57,933
Speaker 3: Yeah, fantastic discussion. Thank you very much everyone who called

805
00:38:57,973 --> 00:39:00,533
Speaker 3: in text on that one. Coming up after two o'clock

806
00:39:00,613 --> 00:39:02,613
Speaker 3: we are going to speak with John Robinson, he's the

807
00:39:02,653 --> 00:39:05,733
Speaker 3: White Tomo District Council mayor on the latest in the

808
00:39:05,773 --> 00:39:08,533
Speaker 3: investigation into the fatal shooting of Tom Phillips and the

809
00:39:08,613 --> 00:39:11,613
Speaker 3: search for his missing two children. So that is coming

810
00:39:11,653 --> 00:39:14,093
Speaker 3: up straight after two o'clock. You're listening to Matt and Tyler.

811
00:39:14,133 --> 00:39:17,213
Speaker 3: Hope you having a good afternoon talking.

812
00:39:17,053 --> 00:39:20,333
Speaker 5: With you all. Afternoon. It's Matt Heath and Taylor Adams

813
00:39:20,493 --> 00:39:22,293
Speaker 5: Afternoons news Talks.

814
00:39:22,333 --> 00:39:25,692
Speaker 3: It'd be very good afternoon to you six pass too.

815
00:39:25,693 --> 00:39:27,853
Speaker 3: We've got a jam pant couple of hours for you

816
00:39:28,293 --> 00:39:31,172
Speaker 3: as the show carries on. But just before we get

817
00:39:31,213 --> 00:39:33,493
Speaker 3: to that, mate, how was your Father's Day?

818
00:39:33,733 --> 00:39:33,893
Speaker 21: Oh?

819
00:39:34,013 --> 00:39:37,172
Speaker 2: Thank you for asking. I had an absolutely fantastic Father's Day.

820
00:39:37,293 --> 00:39:39,173
Speaker 2: Like all the dads that were ringing through, you just

821
00:39:39,253 --> 00:39:41,253
Speaker 2: want to spend time with your kids. But my two

822
00:39:41,333 --> 00:39:44,373
Speaker 2: sons got together and they decided to go out to

823
00:39:44,413 --> 00:39:46,933
Speaker 2: the supermarket and buy some ingredients and make me a

824
00:39:46,973 --> 00:39:51,773
Speaker 2: delicious lunch together. My two sons good boys bats. Worryingly,

825
00:39:52,253 --> 00:39:56,453
Speaker 2: the dish they made was a beef Wellington, right, And

826
00:39:56,893 --> 00:39:59,053
Speaker 2: when they served up the beef Wellington, each one of

827
00:39:59,093 --> 00:40:01,253
Speaker 2: the beef Wellington's had a different face on it, So

828
00:40:01,413 --> 00:40:05,093
Speaker 2: I was wondering, did they know who's having witch? And

829
00:40:06,253 --> 00:40:08,213
Speaker 2: you know, I didn't see them going out to the

830
00:40:08,333 --> 00:40:10,773
Speaker 2: field to click mushrooms or anything, so look and just

831
00:40:11,213 --> 00:40:13,253
Speaker 2: love my kids. So I just went and ate the

832
00:40:13,333 --> 00:40:16,533
Speaker 2: beef Wellington. I didn't wait for other people to eat

833
00:40:16,573 --> 00:40:18,652
Speaker 2: it to see if it was poison and good news,

834
00:40:18,773 --> 00:40:20,253
Speaker 2: my kids weren't trying to poison me.

835
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Speaker 3: That'd some high level trolling like father like son, mate,

836
00:40:23,413 --> 00:40:24,933
Speaker 3: that is some good work from your boys.

837
00:40:25,413 --> 00:40:28,172
Speaker 2: Beef Wellington is a delicious thing. I know that hasn't

838
00:40:28,213 --> 00:40:32,573
Speaker 2: turned out great in Australia in recent years. But a

839
00:40:32,653 --> 00:40:35,933
Speaker 2: beef Wellington done well by two sons that love you, yeah,

840
00:40:36,293 --> 00:40:38,893
Speaker 2: is a beautiful, beautiful thing. So thank you to one

841
00:40:38,893 --> 00:40:41,053
Speaker 2: of my fantastic boys, Chairs and Bears.

842
00:40:41,173 --> 00:40:41,333
Speaker 20: Yeah.

843
00:40:41,373 --> 00:40:43,093
Speaker 3: What a great lunch. Hard thing to pull off, I've

844
00:40:43,093 --> 00:40:46,653
Speaker 3: got to say, so, some good shifts in your family, mate, Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

845
00:40:46,653 --> 00:40:48,933
Speaker 2: And they also had a side of Brussels sprouts that

846
00:40:48,973 --> 00:40:49,973
Speaker 2: they made delicious as well.

847
00:40:50,053 --> 00:40:51,893
Speaker 3: I saw that in the photo. You lucky lucky man

848
00:40:52,093 --> 00:40:52,772
Speaker 3: looked really good.

849
00:40:52,933 --> 00:40:53,093
Speaker 20: Yeah.

850
00:40:53,133 --> 00:40:56,013
Speaker 2: I mean that's a high level of difficulty. Delicious Brussel

851
00:40:56,653 --> 00:40:59,333
Speaker 2: sprouts and a non fatal beef wellington.

852
00:40:59,373 --> 00:40:59,573
Speaker 22: Yeah.

853
00:40:59,573 --> 00:41:02,053
Speaker 3: Well, those two boys, right, let's have a chat about this.

854
00:41:02,133 --> 00:41:04,413
Speaker 3: An article in The Telegraph asked the question what has

855
00:41:04,493 --> 00:41:06,973
Speaker 3: been rich in twenty twenty five? So it asked a

856
00:41:07,053 --> 00:41:10,293
Speaker 3: series of questions about wealth. How much you need to

857
00:41:10,373 --> 00:41:13,453
Speaker 3: earn to be considered somewhat wealthy, but also the number

858
00:41:13,493 --> 00:41:15,053
Speaker 3: of people that were looking at wealth in a way

859
00:41:15,093 --> 00:41:17,973
Speaker 3: that was kind of outside of monetary.

860
00:41:17,973 --> 00:41:20,453
Speaker 2: Yes, So if you work it out, you know, the

861
00:41:20,573 --> 00:41:23,413
Speaker 2: article puts a figure on it, which is two hundred

862
00:41:23,413 --> 00:41:26,692
Speaker 2: and thirteen thousand pounds a year to be rich, Yes,

863
00:41:27,013 --> 00:41:29,333
Speaker 2: and that puts you in the top one percent or

864
00:41:29,733 --> 00:41:34,212
Speaker 2: one point two million dollars of outright assets one point

865
00:41:34,213 --> 00:41:36,333
Speaker 2: two million pounds of outside efforts. But what does it

866
00:41:36,413 --> 00:41:37,813
Speaker 2: mean to be rich in New Zealand? Because it's an

867
00:41:37,853 --> 00:41:41,693
Speaker 2: interesting topic because often political parties will try and defind

868
00:41:41,693 --> 00:41:44,493
Speaker 2: who's wealthy so they can tax them more. And you know,

869
00:41:44,973 --> 00:41:47,133
Speaker 2: you could look at the morality of that because wealthy

870
00:41:47,133 --> 00:41:50,093
Speaker 2: people already pay more tax and whatever just by virtue

871
00:41:50,093 --> 00:41:53,253
Speaker 2: of the percentage of money they make whatever. So government's

872
00:41:53,253 --> 00:41:55,973
Speaker 2: are always trying to find who's wealthy so they can

873
00:41:56,093 --> 00:41:58,453
Speaker 2: punish them with heavier taxes they're give to other people.

874
00:41:59,893 --> 00:42:02,373
Speaker 2: So it's something worth talking about. But you know, there's

875
00:42:02,413 --> 00:42:06,693
Speaker 2: other things about you know, being rich. You can be

876
00:42:06,813 --> 00:42:10,172
Speaker 2: rich in other ways. Generally, being younger makes you richer

877
00:42:10,413 --> 00:42:12,053
Speaker 2: just because you've got more energy and you've got your

878
00:42:12,053 --> 00:42:13,773
Speaker 2: health and you've got your time. Rich you've got your

879
00:42:13,773 --> 00:42:14,533
Speaker 2: whole life ahead of you.

880
00:42:14,773 --> 00:42:15,773
Speaker 3: Health is a massive thing.

881
00:42:15,893 --> 00:42:16,093
Speaker 2: Yeah.

882
00:42:16,333 --> 00:42:18,053
Speaker 3: For anyone out there that doesn't have their health, I'd

883
00:42:18,093 --> 00:42:19,853
Speaker 3: be looking at younger people and say, enjoy it where

884
00:42:19,893 --> 00:42:20,213
Speaker 3: you got it?

885
00:42:20,653 --> 00:42:23,093
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh absolutely. I mean you can be incredibly wealthy

886
00:42:23,133 --> 00:42:25,493
Speaker 2: and in a horrific relationship that just makes your life

887
00:42:25,533 --> 00:42:27,853
Speaker 2: a misery. So you can be incredibly wealthy and miserable

888
00:42:27,853 --> 00:42:28,933
Speaker 2: and not have someone that loves you.

889
00:42:29,093 --> 00:42:29,253
Speaker 9: Yeah.

890
00:42:29,333 --> 00:42:30,053
Speaker 3: Do you feel rich?

891
00:42:32,413 --> 00:42:35,813
Speaker 2: I feel very lucky and grateful for the existence I have,

892
00:42:36,533 --> 00:42:37,373
Speaker 2: very very grateful.

893
00:42:37,493 --> 00:42:38,093
Speaker 3: That is nice.

894
00:42:38,253 --> 00:42:39,493
Speaker 2: Yeah, And why is that more?

895
00:42:39,613 --> 00:42:45,533
Speaker 3: That's more than monetary considerations. That's your general philosophy on

896
00:42:45,893 --> 00:42:46,573
Speaker 3: what you've got.

897
00:42:46,773 --> 00:42:49,573
Speaker 2: Sometimes I think I might live in a simulation because

898
00:42:49,613 --> 00:42:52,333
Speaker 2: my life is so good, and sometimes I walk around

899
00:42:52,373 --> 00:42:55,013
Speaker 2: and go, this doesn't seem right. How can everything be

900
00:42:55,133 --> 00:42:56,973
Speaker 2: so good for me? But you know so, then in

901
00:42:57,053 --> 00:42:58,373
Speaker 2: which case I do feel rich.

902
00:42:58,573 --> 00:43:00,053
Speaker 3: Yeah, well that is a good thing. Oh wait, one

903
00:43:00,093 --> 00:43:03,413
Speaker 3: hundred eighty ten eighty What is wealth to you in

904
00:43:03,533 --> 00:43:06,692
Speaker 3: twenty twenty five? If it is based on what you earn,

905
00:43:06,773 --> 00:43:08,373
Speaker 3: love to hear from you, and how much you I

906
00:43:08,373 --> 00:43:10,453
Speaker 3: think you need to earn to feel that you're doing

907
00:43:10,493 --> 00:43:14,133
Speaker 3: well in life and also those considerations outside monetary values

908
00:43:14,133 --> 00:43:15,093
Speaker 3: as well. Love me here from it.

909
00:43:15,133 --> 00:43:17,253
Speaker 2: It's an interesting thing. You could be renting house and

910
00:43:17,413 --> 00:43:20,933
Speaker 2: be richer than someone that's leveraged themselves to two point

911
00:43:20,973 --> 00:43:22,732
Speaker 2: five million dollars mortgage to be live in a nicer

912
00:43:22,813 --> 00:43:24,973
Speaker 2: house that they arguably own, but the bank oons.

913
00:43:25,013 --> 00:43:28,413
Speaker 3: Yeah, very triplicated. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is

914
00:43:28,573 --> 00:43:31,333
Speaker 3: the number to call. Really can you hear from you

915
00:43:31,453 --> 00:43:33,533
Speaker 3: on this one? Nine two ninety two is the text

916
00:43:33,653 --> 00:43:36,093
Speaker 3: number as well, And we'll get into this one and

917
00:43:36,213 --> 00:43:38,813
Speaker 3: coming up next we will have a chat to John Robinson,

918
00:43:38,853 --> 00:43:41,973
Speaker 3: he's the mayor of why Tomo, to get his thoughts

919
00:43:42,013 --> 00:43:44,693
Speaker 3: about the situation that unfolded this morning and the ongoing

920
00:43:44,773 --> 00:43:47,493
Speaker 3: policing investigations. So that is coming up. It is eleven

921
00:43:47,573 --> 00:43:48,053
Speaker 3: past two.

922
00:43:49,613 --> 00:43:54,413
Speaker 1: Your home of afternoon talk, mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons.

923
00:43:53,973 --> 00:43:56,973
Speaker 5: Call Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth talk said be.

924
00:43:58,933 --> 00:44:02,293
Speaker 3: It is fourteen past two. So police are urgently searching

925
00:44:02,333 --> 00:44:05,013
Speaker 3: for Tom Phillips remaining two children after he was fatally

926
00:44:05,093 --> 00:44:07,733
Speaker 3: shot on a rural y Cuttle road following a burglary

927
00:44:07,973 --> 00:44:11,853
Speaker 3: in PA. John Robinson is way Tomo, Mia, an area

928
00:44:11,933 --> 00:44:15,493
Speaker 3: that includes Porpo and Model KRPA, and he joins us

929
00:44:15,653 --> 00:44:19,252
Speaker 3: on the phone right now, John, thank you very much

930
00:44:19,333 --> 00:44:21,013
Speaker 3: for speaking with us. Really appreciate it.

931
00:44:21,893 --> 00:44:24,933
Speaker 2: Yeah, no problem now, John, I mentioned it's a small community,

932
00:44:25,133 --> 00:44:27,573
Speaker 2: so you will know the people involved. Do you have

933
00:44:27,573 --> 00:44:29,693
Speaker 2: any news on the police officer who was injured.

934
00:44:30,893 --> 00:44:34,453
Speaker 15: I don't have any updates further than those that the

935
00:44:35,413 --> 00:44:38,252
Speaker 15: police have given, but as you say, he's a local

936
00:44:38,333 --> 00:44:42,333
Speaker 15: community cop in our community and very very sad.

937
00:44:43,293 --> 00:44:43,493
Speaker 23: Yeah.

938
00:44:43,893 --> 00:44:46,413
Speaker 2: What is the feeling on the ground in the Waite

939
00:44:46,453 --> 00:44:48,893
Speaker 2: Tomo community after this? John?

940
00:44:49,933 --> 00:44:53,453
Speaker 15: Look, I think you know, we're all a bit shattered.

941
00:44:53,613 --> 00:44:53,853
Speaker 23: Really.

942
00:44:53,973 --> 00:44:58,333
Speaker 15: It's the you know, the worst outcome that we might

943
00:44:58,413 --> 00:44:59,733
Speaker 15: have expected from this.

944
00:45:00,693 --> 00:45:01,253
Speaker 23: It has.

945
00:45:02,653 --> 00:45:07,333
Speaker 15: Gone on for close to four years, and you know,

946
00:45:07,453 --> 00:45:09,893
Speaker 15: every so often we I've had an incident or an

947
00:45:09,893 --> 00:45:14,172
Speaker 15: alleged offense, but we've never really known for sure what's

948
00:45:14,253 --> 00:45:19,653
Speaker 15: going on. So to hear this this morning, it's just

949
00:45:19,813 --> 00:45:22,573
Speaker 15: tragic in so many ways for so many people.

950
00:45:23,013 --> 00:45:25,573
Speaker 2: Yeah, I bet. Do you have any any details on

951
00:45:25,853 --> 00:45:29,652
Speaker 2: the search for the kids that aren't currently in care.

952
00:45:31,453 --> 00:45:35,333
Speaker 15: No, the roads are closed around the area that the

953
00:45:35,373 --> 00:45:40,613
Speaker 15: police are focused on, but I've got no update that

954
00:45:41,093 --> 00:45:44,413
Speaker 15: further than what police have reported publicly.

955
00:45:44,373 --> 00:45:46,013
Speaker 2: Is there is there some way specific members of the

956
00:45:46,053 --> 00:45:49,773
Speaker 2: public can send any tips or sightings to help the search.

957
00:45:50,813 --> 00:45:53,613
Speaker 15: Look, I think it is really important if anyone now

958
00:45:53,773 --> 00:45:58,093
Speaker 15: knows anything about where the children might be to talk

959
00:45:58,173 --> 00:46:02,133
Speaker 15: to the police. You know, this is we now have

960
00:46:02,293 --> 00:46:05,053
Speaker 15: two children, and I guess in the front of all

961
00:46:05,133 --> 00:46:08,013
Speaker 15: our minds throughout this four year period have been the

962
00:46:08,413 --> 00:46:15,013
Speaker 15: the health and safety of the children. So really important

963
00:46:15,093 --> 00:46:19,133
Speaker 15: to contact the police if there's any knowledge in the

964
00:46:19,213 --> 00:46:20,813
Speaker 15: community about where they may be.

965
00:46:21,533 --> 00:46:25,493
Speaker 3: And from your understanding, John, that the child who was

966
00:46:25,653 --> 00:46:30,053
Speaker 3: with Tom Phillips is assisting police with their investigation and

967
00:46:30,173 --> 00:46:30,573
Speaker 3: that search.

968
00:46:31,813 --> 00:46:37,893
Speaker 15: Look, I can only assume so and and hope that

969
00:46:38,013 --> 00:46:41,133
Speaker 15: that's the case. So that may be where some knowledge

970
00:46:41,173 --> 00:46:41,613
Speaker 15: comes from.

971
00:46:42,333 --> 00:46:45,173
Speaker 2: And you know, when they get the kids back, how

972
00:46:45,213 --> 00:46:48,253
Speaker 2: will the community and council will be able to help them.

973
00:46:49,253 --> 00:46:51,493
Speaker 2: You know, have you got any thoughts on how that

974
00:46:51,573 --> 00:46:52,133
Speaker 2: will play out?

975
00:46:53,493 --> 00:46:58,093
Speaker 15: Goodness knows. Look, there's obviously there's there's Tom's parents in

976
00:46:58,213 --> 00:47:03,853
Speaker 15: the community, good long standing citizens here. There is, as

977
00:47:03,973 --> 00:47:09,933
Speaker 15: we all suspect, a custody issue that had gone on

978
00:47:10,093 --> 00:47:14,853
Speaker 15: for some years. Just how this will work out? I

979
00:47:15,453 --> 00:47:18,453
Speaker 15: don't know, but you know, these three little kids have

980
00:47:18,613 --> 00:47:24,013
Speaker 15: lost their dad now too, and so uh there'll be

981
00:47:24,213 --> 00:47:30,453
Speaker 15: counseling and all sorts of services offered. But how the

982
00:47:30,653 --> 00:47:34,133
Speaker 15: resolution you know, this is whether this ends up through

983
00:47:34,333 --> 00:47:37,333
Speaker 15: family court and how it's resolved. Goodness knows.

984
00:47:38,173 --> 00:47:41,493
Speaker 2: Now this this, this sort of tragic events are making

985
00:47:41,693 --> 00:47:45,133
Speaker 2: huge global news. What does this mean for the area

986
00:47:45,253 --> 00:47:45,812
Speaker 2: going forward?

987
00:47:48,613 --> 00:47:51,573
Speaker 15: Look, the area we're made up of a number of

988
00:47:52,133 --> 00:47:57,253
Speaker 15: rural communities if you like, so I have you know,

989
00:47:57,373 --> 00:48:02,493
Speaker 15: the communities will get behind those who are directly affected

990
00:48:02,573 --> 00:48:07,293
Speaker 15: by this and help. So obviously in pupu we We,

991
00:48:07,613 --> 00:48:14,133
Speaker 15: in Ari area we know the cockwell and in Maracopa

992
00:48:15,053 --> 00:48:19,973
Speaker 15: the community will be great, so you know, that's that's

993
00:48:21,293 --> 00:48:23,213
Speaker 15: that's what ural communities are like.

994
00:48:23,573 --> 00:48:26,893
Speaker 3: Absolutely, What would be your message, John for for for

995
00:48:27,053 --> 00:48:29,772
Speaker 3: others around New Zealand. Obviously this is a significant story

996
00:48:29,813 --> 00:48:31,853
Speaker 3: and it has been for some time. What would you

997
00:48:32,013 --> 00:48:34,973
Speaker 3: say to people outside of the community and around New Zealand.

998
00:48:37,773 --> 00:48:41,573
Speaker 15: Just you know, thanks for the support that's that's been

999
00:48:41,813 --> 00:48:46,732
Speaker 15: being offered from some people. But you know, we we will,

1000
00:48:47,573 --> 00:48:50,533
Speaker 15: we will move through this. A lot of water to

1001
00:48:50,613 --> 00:48:55,253
Speaker 15: go under the bridge yet, But yep, the White Homer community,

1002
00:48:55,653 --> 00:49:00,493
Speaker 15: King Country community is strong and resilient and we'll look

1003
00:49:00,533 --> 00:49:02,253
Speaker 15: after those most affective.

1004
00:49:02,813 --> 00:49:05,453
Speaker 2: Well, all the best, mate, I can only imagine what

1005
00:49:05,573 --> 00:49:07,733
Speaker 2: a tough time it is for you and your community.

1006
00:49:07,853 --> 00:49:11,933
Speaker 2: So yes, say all the best, and yeah, our thoughts

1007
00:49:11,973 --> 00:49:14,213
Speaker 2: are with the police officer who has been injured in

1008
00:49:14,293 --> 00:49:14,693
Speaker 2: his family.

1009
00:49:15,693 --> 00:49:16,573
Speaker 15: Yeah, thanks for.

1010
00:49:16,653 --> 00:49:19,493
Speaker 3: That, Thank you very much. John, really appreciate your time

1011
00:49:19,653 --> 00:49:22,413
Speaker 3: and speaking with us. That is John Robinson, mayor of

1012
00:49:22,733 --> 00:49:26,693
Speaker 3: why Tomo. Incredibly trying time for that community and for

1013
00:49:26,853 --> 00:49:30,773
Speaker 3: John himself, and we will of course continue to bring

1014
00:49:30,853 --> 00:49:34,813
Speaker 3: you updates on that situation as the afternoon progresses. It

1015
00:49:35,013 --> 00:49:39,013
Speaker 3: is nineteen past two, right, we're going to get back

1016
00:49:39,093 --> 00:49:41,692
Speaker 3: into the discussion that we're having right now, right now

1017
00:49:41,853 --> 00:49:44,732
Speaker 3: about what it means to be rich in twenty twenty five.

1018
00:49:44,813 --> 00:49:47,053
Speaker 3: We've already had a bunch of texts coming through. This

1019
00:49:47,213 --> 00:49:48,613
Speaker 3: is on the back of the story out of the

1020
00:49:48,653 --> 00:49:52,973
Speaker 3: Telegraph that asked that very question and ask a bunch

1021
00:49:53,013 --> 00:49:55,133
Speaker 3: of questions about what you need to earn to be

1022
00:49:55,253 --> 00:49:58,813
Speaker 3: considered rich, but also that wider philosophy about being rich

1023
00:49:58,853 --> 00:50:01,573
Speaker 3: outside of monetary value. So can you hear your views? Oh,

1024
00:50:01,573 --> 00:50:03,613
Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

1025
00:50:03,653 --> 00:50:04,853
Speaker 3: It's twenty past two.

1026
00:50:08,853 --> 00:50:12,493
Speaker 1: Mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty

1027
00:50:12,613 --> 00:50:14,173
Speaker 1: ten eighty on used talk ZV.

1028
00:50:14,973 --> 00:50:17,693
Speaker 3: Very good afternoon to you. So we are asking about

1029
00:50:17,773 --> 00:50:20,893
Speaker 3: what is been rich in twenty twenty five and I'd

1030
00:50:20,893 --> 00:50:23,013
Speaker 3: love to hear your thoughts on eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

1031
00:50:23,053 --> 00:50:25,692
Speaker 3: Obviously there are some figures that have been bandied about

1032
00:50:25,733 --> 00:50:28,893
Speaker 3: in this Telegraph article about what you need to earn

1033
00:50:29,093 --> 00:50:30,373
Speaker 3: to be considered wealthy.

1034
00:50:30,653 --> 00:50:33,573
Speaker 2: Well that's a British article, so they think they've worked

1035
00:50:33,573 --> 00:50:37,333
Speaker 2: out two hundred and thirteen thousand pounds a year as

1036
00:50:37,533 --> 00:50:40,133
Speaker 2: rich under their definition, that puts you in the top

1037
00:50:40,173 --> 00:50:43,093
Speaker 2: one percent of earnest so it's rich top one percent.

1038
00:50:43,613 --> 00:50:45,093
Speaker 2: I would say that you're rich if you're in the

1039
00:50:45,173 --> 00:50:47,253
Speaker 2: top twenty five percent, aren't you? If you're top one

1040
00:50:47,293 --> 00:50:49,573
Speaker 2: and four, you have to be in the top one

1041
00:50:49,613 --> 00:50:51,613
Speaker 2: percent to be rich. I guess who knows what the

1042
00:50:51,613 --> 00:50:54,413
Speaker 2: word rich means. So maybe comfortable is a better way

1043
00:50:54,773 --> 00:50:59,773
Speaker 2: to look at it, because it has been said, and

1044
00:51:00,293 --> 00:51:02,533
Speaker 2: I said this before, that if you can go out

1045
00:51:03,293 --> 00:51:05,093
Speaker 2: this wouldn't be considered rich. But if you can go

1046
00:51:05,173 --> 00:51:09,212
Speaker 2: out for dinner at a restaurant and at no point

1047
00:51:09,253 --> 00:51:11,093
Speaker 2: you're thinking about how much is the bill going to be?

1048
00:51:12,053 --> 00:51:14,333
Speaker 2: Then that has been said, is the first time that

1049
00:51:14,373 --> 00:51:17,973
Speaker 2: people feel satisfied, the first feeling that they're satisfied that

1050
00:51:18,053 --> 00:51:20,453
Speaker 2: they're doing well in life. So you don't, you know,

1051
00:51:20,813 --> 00:51:22,692
Speaker 2: at no point in the dinner are you worrying about

1052
00:51:22,693 --> 00:51:24,613
Speaker 2: how much it's going to cost. Yeah, and that probably

1053
00:51:24,613 --> 00:51:27,893
Speaker 2: doesn't sound like a huge, huge thing, but it is.

1054
00:51:29,293 --> 00:51:32,413
Speaker 2: But you know, rich, as we all know, it doesn't

1055
00:51:32,413 --> 00:51:32,812
Speaker 2: mean happy.

1056
00:51:33,053 --> 00:51:35,893
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, well that is the definition definition of comfortable

1057
00:51:36,533 --> 00:51:38,293
Speaker 3: if you can order as much wine as you want

1058
00:51:38,533 --> 00:51:40,692
Speaker 3: and not have to worry about looking at your bank

1059
00:51:40,733 --> 00:51:43,373
Speaker 3: account the next day. Absolutely. Oh, one hundred eighty ten

1060
00:51:43,453 --> 00:51:45,333
Speaker 3: eighty is the number to cour Plenty of texts coming

1061
00:51:45,373 --> 00:51:48,853
Speaker 3: through on nine two ninety two as well, Mark, how

1062
00:51:48,893 --> 00:51:49,693
Speaker 3: are you this afternoon?

1063
00:51:50,493 --> 00:51:51,413
Speaker 22: Gentlemen? How are you?

1064
00:51:51,893 --> 00:51:52,133
Speaker 5: God?

1065
00:51:52,493 --> 00:51:56,053
Speaker 22: You're so good? Yeah, I just want to have a

1066
00:51:56,173 --> 00:51:58,333
Speaker 22: chat to you about the difference between riches and well.

1067
00:51:59,533 --> 00:52:02,093
Speaker 22: I got a little story to tell you many years ago.

1068
00:52:02,133 --> 00:52:05,493
Speaker 22: I'm going back fifty years ago, but probably more. Friends

1069
00:52:05,573 --> 00:52:09,293
Speaker 22: of my parents took the family to return journey to

1070
00:52:09,613 --> 00:52:13,013
Speaker 22: the Netherlands and on and on the way that I

1071
00:52:13,053 --> 00:52:15,973
Speaker 22: stop over in Singapore, and Singapore was not the flash

1072
00:52:16,453 --> 00:52:19,613
Speaker 22: thing that is today. It was sort of pretty basic. Anyway,

1073
00:52:19,653 --> 00:52:22,093
Speaker 22: they went shopping, and in this particular they had to

1074
00:52:22,133 --> 00:52:24,732
Speaker 22: wander around these shops, and they wanted into a shop

1075
00:52:25,133 --> 00:52:28,252
Speaker 22: of an elderly Chinese gentleman and on the way out

1076
00:52:29,213 --> 00:52:32,173
Speaker 22: he counted the children and as they walked out of

1077
00:52:32,213 --> 00:52:35,453
Speaker 22: the shop, he had one, two, three, four, five, And

1078
00:52:35,613 --> 00:52:37,692
Speaker 22: he turned to the father of the children and he said,

1079
00:52:37,693 --> 00:52:39,573
Speaker 22: are they all yours? And he said yes. He said,

1080
00:52:40,013 --> 00:52:44,133
Speaker 22: you're a wealthy man. I noticed he didn't say you're

1081
00:52:44,133 --> 00:52:46,693
Speaker 22: a rich man. Yeah, right, you're a wealthy and he

1082
00:52:46,813 --> 00:52:48,853
Speaker 22: knew the difference between riches and wealth.

1083
00:52:50,013 --> 00:52:50,212
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1084
00:52:50,413 --> 00:52:52,732
Speaker 3: I mean that is a great line and certainly holds

1085
00:52:52,773 --> 00:52:54,493
Speaker 3: a lot of truth when you look at someone in

1086
00:52:54,573 --> 00:52:58,013
Speaker 3: that situation that manages they have five beautiful children, that

1087
00:52:58,213 --> 00:53:00,453
Speaker 3: is that is very wealthy in a lot of people's eyes.

1088
00:53:00,773 --> 00:53:03,493
Speaker 3: Is how you feel, Mark, Do you think you're you're

1089
00:53:03,533 --> 00:53:05,653
Speaker 3: a wealthy man on that that equation?

1090
00:53:05,773 --> 00:53:05,893
Speaker 12: Oh?

1091
00:53:06,013 --> 00:53:08,893
Speaker 22: Yes, because because I've got seven seven.

1092
00:53:09,613 --> 00:53:10,613
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's pretty wealthy.

1093
00:53:10,693 --> 00:53:11,172
Speaker 2: Well done.

1094
00:53:12,053 --> 00:53:14,293
Speaker 22: I'm blessed and very wealthy in that department.

1095
00:53:14,813 --> 00:53:19,453
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I imagine having imagine having seven kids affects

1096
00:53:19,573 --> 00:53:21,373
Speaker 2: the other definition of wealth.

1097
00:53:25,493 --> 00:53:28,773
Speaker 22: Well, I wouldn't say it has, but it could do that.

1098
00:53:30,013 --> 00:53:32,493
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, good on you, Mark. It sounds like you've

1099
00:53:32,533 --> 00:53:33,453
Speaker 2: cracked the code.

1100
00:53:33,413 --> 00:53:35,053
Speaker 3: Thank you very much. I mean, there is a lot

1101
00:53:35,053 --> 00:53:38,133
Speaker 3: of truth to that that that idea between richness and

1102
00:53:38,773 --> 00:53:43,172
Speaker 3: wealth and having healthy children and a lot of them

1103
00:53:43,533 --> 00:53:46,333
Speaker 3: would certainly come unto I. Certainly. I look at people

1104
00:53:46,373 --> 00:53:47,813
Speaker 3: like that, you know. I look at you, mate, and

1105
00:53:47,893 --> 00:53:49,652
Speaker 3: I think you're a very lucky man and a very

1106
00:53:49,733 --> 00:53:53,333
Speaker 3: rich man to have two beautiful sons who cook your

1107
00:53:53,373 --> 00:53:55,253
Speaker 3: the lights of beef Wellington. That's you know, that is

1108
00:53:55,373 --> 00:53:55,853
Speaker 3: very wealthy.

1109
00:53:56,213 --> 00:54:00,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, and not poisons peaf Wellington, as I said said before.

1110
00:54:00,493 --> 00:54:02,853
Speaker 2: But I always think it's funny when you know young

1111
00:54:02,893 --> 00:54:04,732
Speaker 2: people in their twenties and you see this a lot

1112
00:54:04,813 --> 00:54:08,013
Speaker 2: on punishing social media sites like read it or wherever,

1113
00:54:08,453 --> 00:54:11,893
Speaker 2: and they're complaining about the boomer generation. But there isn't

1114
00:54:11,893 --> 00:54:15,933
Speaker 2: a single boomer that wouldn't give up, you know, to

1115
00:54:16,053 --> 00:54:18,333
Speaker 2: what you get when you were rich when you were

1116
00:54:18,373 --> 00:54:21,133
Speaker 2: twenty years old and twenty one years old and twenty

1117
00:54:21,213 --> 00:54:25,133
Speaker 2: five years old. You're rich in time and energy and

1118
00:54:25,293 --> 00:54:28,613
Speaker 2: generally speaking health. So the idea that those people spend

1119
00:54:28,773 --> 00:54:31,733
Speaker 2: their twenties angry at other people who have worked their

1120
00:54:31,733 --> 00:54:35,692
Speaker 2: whole life for having houses and having these these sort

1121
00:54:35,733 --> 00:54:40,413
Speaker 2: of I guess material objects is such a waste of

1122
00:54:40,533 --> 00:54:41,613
Speaker 2: your twenties.

1123
00:54:41,493 --> 00:54:43,692
Speaker 3: Isn't it. But isn't that such a cruel thing about

1124
00:54:43,773 --> 00:54:46,933
Speaker 3: human nature? But that by the time you understand for

1125
00:54:47,093 --> 00:54:50,493
Speaker 3: most of us that you were healthy and you could

1126
00:54:50,533 --> 00:54:53,493
Speaker 3: do whatever you wanted, and the world was your oyster.

1127
00:54:53,693 --> 00:54:58,732
Speaker 3: You had freedom, responsibilities were minimal, and at the time,

1128
00:54:58,973 --> 00:55:01,293
Speaker 3: I certainly can speak for myself, I had no idea.

1129
00:55:01,453 --> 00:55:03,213
Speaker 3: I was a bit of an angry teenager, and I,

1130
00:55:03,413 --> 00:55:05,173
Speaker 3: you know, looked at the state of the world in

1131
00:55:05,253 --> 00:55:07,133
Speaker 3: my twenties and saying, why can't I have.

1132
00:55:07,293 --> 00:55:11,493
Speaker 2: More thing more than depressing than seeing someone at the

1133
00:55:11,613 --> 00:55:14,853
Speaker 2: start of their journey and their adventure spending their time

1134
00:55:14,933 --> 00:55:18,333
Speaker 2: on social media complaining about people that are deep into

1135
00:55:18,373 --> 00:55:22,853
Speaker 2: their adventure. Yeah, it's just go on your own adventure,

1136
00:55:23,413 --> 00:55:27,693
Speaker 2: Just forward your own path. Stop stop whinging about other.

1137
00:55:27,613 --> 00:55:28,613
Speaker 3: Beast cheers your life.

1138
00:55:28,773 --> 00:55:28,973
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1139
00:55:29,173 --> 00:55:31,613
Speaker 3: Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

1140
00:55:31,693 --> 00:55:34,732
Speaker 3: What does being rich mean to you? In twenty twenty five,

1141
00:55:34,813 --> 00:55:35,453
Speaker 3: love to hear from you.

1142
00:55:35,733 --> 00:55:37,613
Speaker 2: By the time I pay my bills, I'm left with

1143
00:55:37,853 --> 00:55:39,893
Speaker 2: one hundred dollars. But I'm riched you to having the

1144
00:55:39,973 --> 00:55:42,493
Speaker 2: love of my beautiful dog. That's from Kathy Blase.

1145
00:55:42,533 --> 00:55:43,613
Speaker 3: Dogs are huge.

1146
00:55:46,613 --> 00:55:49,213
Speaker 5: US talks. That'd be headlines with blue bubble.

1147
00:55:49,293 --> 00:55:52,493
Speaker 13: Taxis that's no trouble with a blue bubble. A major

1148
00:55:52,653 --> 00:55:56,653
Speaker 13: police operation is underway to find fugitive Mato copper father

1149
00:55:56,853 --> 00:56:00,652
Speaker 13: Tom Phillips, remaining two children after he was shot dead

1150
00:56:00,693 --> 00:56:04,453
Speaker 13: by police on a rural Waikato road. The first officer

1151
00:56:04,533 --> 00:56:06,533
Speaker 13: on the scene was shot in the head while getting

1152
00:56:06,533 --> 00:56:09,813
Speaker 13: out of his car. He's in hospital with critical injuries.

1153
00:56:10,453 --> 00:56:14,213
Speaker 13: Mushroom murderer Aaron Patterson has been handed a life sentence

1154
00:56:14,453 --> 00:56:17,693
Speaker 13: following her deadly lunch. Her full sentence is life with

1155
00:56:17,893 --> 00:56:21,933
Speaker 13: a non parole period of thirty three years. One person's

1156
00:56:22,013 --> 00:56:26,253
Speaker 13: died in a single vehicle crash in Corrimandel's Fungamatar Police

1157
00:56:26,253 --> 00:56:29,053
Speaker 13: were called to the scene on why he Fungamatar Road

1158
00:56:29,413 --> 00:56:33,493
Speaker 13: before midday. The coalitions unable to form a government. In

1159
00:56:33,573 --> 00:56:37,732
Speaker 13: the latest political poll, this month's Taxpayers Union Curier poll

1160
00:56:37,973 --> 00:56:41,253
Speaker 13: places Labour on thirty three point eight percent, with Nationals

1161
00:56:41,333 --> 00:56:45,373
Speaker 13: slightly behind on thirty three point one. ANZ is set

1162
00:56:45,413 --> 00:56:48,053
Speaker 13: to pay three point twenty five million dollars to the

1163
00:56:48,133 --> 00:56:51,773
Speaker 13: Crown after more than two hundred thousand customers were affected

1164
00:56:51,853 --> 00:56:56,613
Speaker 13: by misleading statements. The first two pay equity claims under

1165
00:56:56,653 --> 00:57:00,133
Speaker 13: the government's new stricter regime have been filed today by

1166
00:57:00,213 --> 00:57:04,453
Speaker 13: the NZED nurses organization. Liam dan on why the runway

1167
00:57:04,613 --> 00:57:08,213
Speaker 13: for pre election turnaround looks dangerously short for Christopher Luxen

1168
00:57:08,573 --> 00:57:11,172
Speaker 13: see the full column, and NZ ed Harold Premium back

1169
00:57:11,253 --> 00:57:12,933
Speaker 13: to Matt Heath and Tyler Adams.

1170
00:57:13,013 --> 00:57:15,172
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Jody. So we've asked the question

1171
00:57:15,413 --> 00:57:17,893
Speaker 3: what is being rich in twenty twenty five. It was

1172
00:57:17,933 --> 00:57:20,653
Speaker 3: a question raised by the Telegraph over in the UK,

1173
00:57:21,053 --> 00:57:23,813
Speaker 3: which asked a series of questions about individual wealth. But

1174
00:57:23,933 --> 00:57:25,453
Speaker 3: they did come up with a number, didn't they.

1175
00:57:25,693 --> 00:57:27,453
Speaker 2: Yeah, well they came up with a number. And obviously

1176
00:57:27,693 --> 00:57:31,693
Speaker 2: this is just a financial reading of what being wealthy is.

1177
00:57:32,453 --> 00:57:36,373
Speaker 2: Two one hundred and thirteen thousand pounds a year. That's

1178
00:57:36,373 --> 00:57:37,693
Speaker 2: a lot of cash that puts you in the top

1179
00:57:37,733 --> 00:57:42,253
Speaker 2: one percent, yeah, right in the UK, or having you know,

1180
00:57:42,493 --> 00:57:45,653
Speaker 2: one point two million dollars clear assets, not owing one

1181
00:57:45,693 --> 00:57:47,933
Speaker 2: point two million one point two million dollars on a

1182
00:57:48,293 --> 00:57:50,893
Speaker 2: house but actually having one point two million dollars. So

1183
00:57:51,133 --> 00:57:52,813
Speaker 2: that's interesting. I'm not sure what that number would be

1184
00:57:53,133 --> 00:57:56,773
Speaker 2: in New Zealand might be similar.

1185
00:57:56,893 --> 00:57:58,413
Speaker 3: Well, can I just tell you there was a study

1186
00:57:58,493 --> 00:58:02,853
Speaker 3: done by Purdue University two years ago and they found

1187
00:58:02,933 --> 00:58:06,613
Speaker 3: so this is the old happiness versus wealth curve, so

1188
00:58:06,773 --> 00:58:09,933
Speaker 3: they thought for New Zealand. The study suggested a higher

1189
00:58:10,053 --> 00:58:12,653
Speaker 3: and your income of approximately one hundred and ninety three

1190
00:58:12,813 --> 00:58:17,333
Speaker 3: thousand dollars per individual was required for maximum happiness, and

1191
00:58:17,453 --> 00:58:19,293
Speaker 3: that would also put you on the top one percent

1192
00:58:19,333 --> 00:58:20,253
Speaker 3: of earners in New Zealands.

1193
00:58:20,293 --> 00:58:21,053
Speaker 2: Well does that say that again?

1194
00:58:21,133 --> 00:58:24,453
Speaker 3: One hundred and ninety three thousand per individual, So there's

1195
00:58:24,453 --> 00:58:27,493
Speaker 3: two people in your household, that's four hundred thousands. That's

1196
00:58:27,653 --> 00:58:31,453
Speaker 3: that is good money. Well in kids as well, Yeah,

1197
00:58:31,453 --> 00:58:33,213
Speaker 3: it'd be pretty hard for a kid to earn one

1198
00:58:33,253 --> 00:58:36,293
Speaker 3: hundred and ninety three per person. Yeah, that said for

1199
00:58:36,333 --> 00:58:39,493
Speaker 3: an individual, for an individual. For New Zealands, the study

1200
00:58:39,533 --> 00:58:41,973
Speaker 3: suggested a higher annual income for an individual of one

1201
00:58:42,053 --> 00:58:43,213
Speaker 3: hundred and ninety three thousand.

1202
00:58:43,293 --> 00:58:45,453
Speaker 2: So it's the two parents. Yeah, yeah, right, and that

1203
00:58:45,533 --> 00:58:51,173
Speaker 2: makes you rich? Yeah? Interesting. Yeah, someone was saying that

1204
00:58:51,373 --> 00:58:53,693
Speaker 2: my kids. If I met my kids when I was

1205
00:58:53,733 --> 00:58:56,613
Speaker 2: a child, I would have called them very rich. Yeah,

1206
00:58:56,693 --> 00:59:01,293
Speaker 2: I agree. You know what kids have now is just insane,

1207
00:59:02,693 --> 00:59:05,413
Speaker 2: you know, in terms of stuff, in terms of just

1208
00:59:05,493 --> 00:59:09,733
Speaker 2: the avalanche of terrible toys and everything could possibly want. Yeah,

1209
00:59:10,373 --> 00:59:11,853
Speaker 2: you know, you don't have to be very wealthy for

1210
00:59:11,893 --> 00:59:13,453
Speaker 2: your kids to have too much stuff.

1211
00:59:13,653 --> 00:59:16,533
Speaker 3: Exactly. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the

1212
00:59:16,773 --> 00:59:18,613
Speaker 3: number to call, and if you want to send a

1213
00:59:18,653 --> 00:59:19,933
Speaker 3: tex nine two nine two.

1214
00:59:20,613 --> 00:59:22,893
Speaker 2: Hi, guys, I'm twenty five. I came home from working

1215
00:59:22,973 --> 00:59:25,453
Speaker 2: in the sun on the farm for lunch today for

1216
00:59:25,573 --> 00:59:28,173
Speaker 2: a fresh glass of lemonade I made last night out

1217
00:59:28,213 --> 00:59:30,693
Speaker 2: of the lemons off my nana's tree. That feels pretty

1218
00:59:30,733 --> 00:59:34,413
Speaker 2: wealthy to me. I'm poor and single, but wealthy. Cheers JB.

1219
00:59:34,893 --> 00:59:36,213
Speaker 2: That's that's beautiful.

1220
00:59:36,373 --> 00:59:37,053
Speaker 3: That does.

1221
00:59:37,293 --> 00:59:39,693
Speaker 24: Come home from working in the sun on the farm

1222
00:59:39,853 --> 00:59:42,933
Speaker 24: for lunch today for a fresh glass of lemonade I

1223
00:59:43,093 --> 00:59:46,013
Speaker 24: made last night out of the lemons off nana's tree.

1224
00:59:46,373 --> 00:59:49,093
Speaker 24: I'm twenty five. That is poetry, isn't I'm wealthy?

1225
00:59:49,333 --> 00:59:52,333
Speaker 3: That is lovely. Alex, how are you this afternoon?

1226
00:59:53,173 --> 00:59:53,293
Speaker 5: Ah?

1227
00:59:53,373 --> 00:59:54,493
Speaker 25: Hi there? How are you going?

1228
00:59:54,893 --> 00:59:56,933
Speaker 3: Very good? Nice? To chat with you. So what does

1229
00:59:57,133 --> 00:59:58,133
Speaker 3: rich mean to you?

1230
00:59:59,373 --> 00:59:59,493
Speaker 4: Oh?

1231
00:59:59,613 --> 01:00:04,653
Speaker 25: Well, sorry, I'm just a bit shite for well, I

1232
01:00:04,733 --> 01:00:08,813
Speaker 25: think reach you know beer, rich can be or it

1233
01:00:08,893 --> 01:00:11,373
Speaker 25: can be a truly just a state of mind. Like

1234
01:00:11,453 --> 01:00:15,213
Speaker 25: if you think about it, if you just can enjoy

1235
01:00:15,453 --> 01:00:18,653
Speaker 25: what you have and then just forget what you can

1236
01:00:18,853 --> 01:00:23,773
Speaker 25: never have, then I think you're pretty rich because you

1237
01:00:23,933 --> 01:00:26,533
Speaker 25: just sear the glass us full all the time.

1238
01:00:27,573 --> 01:00:29,813
Speaker 2: Do you think we're living in a difficult time for that, Alex?

1239
01:00:29,853 --> 01:00:31,733
Speaker 2: Because so many people are on social media now are

1240
01:00:31,773 --> 01:00:36,093
Speaker 2: comparing themselves. So people post a picture on social media

1241
01:00:36,173 --> 01:00:39,693
Speaker 2: of them looking amazing, yeah, and then you go, compared

1242
01:00:39,733 --> 01:00:41,773
Speaker 2: to that person, I'm not doing well. But you can

1243
01:00:41,773 --> 01:00:43,373
Speaker 2: comput yourself to a lot of other people. You could

1244
01:00:43,733 --> 01:00:46,093
Speaker 2: compare yourself to people that have lessened to you, and

1245
01:00:46,173 --> 01:00:48,853
Speaker 2: you might feel better. But we always seem to choose

1246
01:00:48,893 --> 01:00:50,453
Speaker 2: to compare ourselves with people have more.

1247
01:00:51,573 --> 01:00:51,813
Speaker 17: See.

1248
01:00:51,853 --> 01:00:54,853
Speaker 25: But that's the thing, like I've always for I just

1249
01:00:55,053 --> 01:00:58,573
Speaker 25: bring my example. I always worked in I was always

1250
01:00:58,613 --> 01:01:01,693
Speaker 25: in hospitality, kind of eye end hospitality, and I've always

1251
01:01:01,733 --> 01:01:06,693
Speaker 25: had to deal with very very wealthy people, even in Europe,

1252
01:01:06,933 --> 01:01:09,973
Speaker 25: very very very wealthy people. And but once you when

1253
01:01:10,013 --> 01:01:12,853
Speaker 25: you know them, they have just exactly the same problem

1254
01:01:12,933 --> 01:01:17,133
Speaker 25: that every other Joe had, so, you know, and that's

1255
01:01:17,213 --> 01:01:21,493
Speaker 25: where you just have to choose how you decide to

1256
01:01:21,613 --> 01:01:26,373
Speaker 25: see things around you. If you look for the negative,

1257
01:01:26,693 --> 01:01:29,373
Speaker 25: you will always find some. But if you just decide

1258
01:01:29,573 --> 01:01:33,453
Speaker 25: to be positive, you will be happy as you can

1259
01:01:33,493 --> 01:01:35,533
Speaker 25: ever be. And then there are things, There are things

1260
01:01:35,573 --> 01:01:38,773
Speaker 25: that are completely out of your control, like I don't know,

1261
01:01:38,893 --> 01:01:42,933
Speaker 25: sickness and stuff like that. Those these things you can't

1262
01:01:43,653 --> 01:01:45,693
Speaker 25: you know, you have to learn to access. But the rest,

1263
01:01:46,173 --> 01:01:49,213
Speaker 25: I mean, we're pretty lucky really. If you're healthy, you

1264
01:01:49,293 --> 01:01:51,813
Speaker 25: can work, You've got a little bit of money coming in,

1265
01:01:52,293 --> 01:01:55,453
Speaker 25: you can enjoy the sun today. What can you ask

1266
01:01:55,493 --> 01:01:55,893
Speaker 25: more than that?

1267
01:01:56,093 --> 01:01:59,893
Speaker 2: You know, it's brilliant alex Well products interesting, isn't it?

1268
01:02:00,013 --> 01:02:00,053
Speaker 20: So?

1269
01:02:00,253 --> 01:02:02,413
Speaker 2: Like you know that CEO that we keep talking about

1270
01:02:02,413 --> 01:02:05,053
Speaker 2: in the cold Play case? Right, so his life was

1271
01:02:05,453 --> 01:02:09,453
Speaker 2: probably okay, yep, pretty good, very okay, probably wealthier than

1272
01:02:09,493 --> 01:02:13,013
Speaker 2: nearly everyone that we're talking to right now. But then

1273
01:02:13,973 --> 01:02:17,973
Speaker 2: on the camera cheating wife hates them, world hates them,

1274
01:02:18,533 --> 01:02:22,093
Speaker 2: a company hates them. You know, things can happen in

1275
01:02:22,133 --> 01:02:23,813
Speaker 2: your life their wealth can't fix.

1276
01:02:23,933 --> 01:02:27,053
Speaker 3: Yeah, I imagine he'd give up every dollar he had

1277
01:02:27,493 --> 01:02:30,053
Speaker 3: to make that just go away, pretend like it never happened.

1278
01:02:30,053 --> 01:02:33,253
Speaker 3: If he could every little million dollars that he had,

1279
01:02:33,333 --> 01:02:34,413
Speaker 3: he just would have spent it all.

1280
01:02:34,613 --> 01:02:39,333
Speaker 2: Yeah. And we live in a country where the poorest

1281
01:02:39,373 --> 01:02:43,013
Speaker 2: of us the biggest thing that faces them in terms

1282
01:02:43,013 --> 01:02:45,573
Speaker 2: of health is obesity. So if you tell that to

1283
01:02:46,693 --> 01:02:49,973
Speaker 2: anyone from one hundred and fifty years ago, just because

1284
01:02:50,053 --> 01:02:54,093
Speaker 2: just having enough food that you could eat and had

1285
01:02:54,133 --> 01:02:56,253
Speaker 2: a clear supply of food was enough for you to

1286
01:02:56,333 --> 01:02:59,773
Speaker 2: be considered very, very lucky, just really recently in the

1287
01:02:59,893 --> 01:03:04,093
Speaker 2: history of humankind. For most of our time, regularly starvation

1288
01:03:04,253 --> 01:03:06,733
Speaker 2: would just take everyone down. Yeah, and that's not something

1289
01:03:06,773 --> 01:03:07,733
Speaker 2: that we worry about here.

1290
01:03:07,813 --> 01:03:09,533
Speaker 3: Well, THEI you it. You know, I was thinking the

1291
01:03:09,613 --> 01:03:12,133
Speaker 3: other day as I was doing my shopping, and I

1292
01:03:12,213 --> 01:03:15,933
Speaker 3: could get Argentinian mandarins any time of the year that

1293
01:03:16,053 --> 01:03:18,813
Speaker 3: I want to. Even my grandparents' generation they look at

1294
01:03:18,853 --> 01:03:20,853
Speaker 3: that and say, are you kidding me? You've got Argentinian

1295
01:03:20,933 --> 01:03:23,333
Speaker 3: mandarins that you can have any time of the year.

1296
01:03:23,693 --> 01:03:25,533
Speaker 3: We had to focus on whatever came out of the

1297
01:03:25,533 --> 01:03:27,733
Speaker 3: ground at the time in New Zealand, and now whatever

1298
01:03:27,813 --> 01:03:29,493
Speaker 3: you want, it's there. You might have to pay a

1299
01:03:29,533 --> 01:03:32,133
Speaker 3: little bit more for it, but the convenience factor through.

1300
01:03:31,933 --> 01:03:34,453
Speaker 2: The roof or a delicious Kiwi fruit tiler love a

1301
01:03:34,533 --> 01:03:36,533
Speaker 2: ki We After ten years of trying and lots of

1302
01:03:36,613 --> 01:03:39,213
Speaker 2: near misses, we have an amazing daughter and at the

1303
01:03:39,333 --> 01:03:42,613
Speaker 2: moment are selling our house as a business has been tough.

1304
01:03:42,773 --> 01:03:46,293
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm mad, but feel very rich and lucky. That's right.

1305
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Speaker 2: I mean if you want to have kids and you

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01:03:49,693 --> 01:03:53,133
Speaker 2: can't have kids, and then you manage to have kids,

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01:03:53,453 --> 01:03:56,453
Speaker 2: then that's a moment where you feel very very lucky

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01:03:56,613 --> 01:03:56,933
Speaker 2: in life.

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01:03:57,053 --> 01:03:59,613
Speaker 3: Absolutely, Oh it under it eighty ten eighty is the

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01:03:59,733 --> 01:04:01,813
Speaker 3: number to call love to hear your thoughts. What does

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01:04:01,973 --> 01:04:04,813
Speaker 3: being rich mean to you? In twenty twenty five? Nine

1312
01:04:04,853 --> 01:04:07,093
Speaker 3: to nine till it's the text number? It is twenty

1313
01:04:07,253 --> 01:04:07,893
Speaker 3: one to three.

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01:04:08,413 --> 01:04:13,373
Speaker 2: Happy bollocks. Nothing will make you happier than twelve million dollars,

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01:04:13,453 --> 01:04:14,133
Speaker 2: sayss Texas.

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Speaker 3: That would be pretty good. I wonder why twelve million?

1317
01:04:17,253 --> 01:04:19,213
Speaker 3: Make it twenty eleven and a half yourself? Are your

1318
01:04:19,413 --> 01:04:21,893
Speaker 3: miserable at eleven and a half happy at twelve?

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Speaker 1: A fresh take on talk back It's Matt Heath and

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Speaker 1: Taylor Adams Afternoons.

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Speaker 5: Have your say, on eight hundred eighty ten eighty US Talks.

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01:04:30,973 --> 01:04:33,893
Speaker 3: There'd be very good afternoon to you. What does being

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01:04:34,173 --> 01:04:36,853
Speaker 3: rich mean to you? In twenty twenty five, so many

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Speaker 3: techs coming through nine two ninety two, Mary Anne, Welcome

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01:04:39,693 --> 01:04:40,133
Speaker 3: to the show.

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Speaker 4: Hi guys, thanks for having me lo. I just want

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01:04:44,813 --> 01:04:49,493
Speaker 4: to make the point, couple of points really that you know,

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01:04:50,773 --> 01:04:55,413
Speaker 4: it's very hard to feel comfortable or wealthy if you

1329
01:04:55,533 --> 01:04:58,693
Speaker 4: have to spend everything that you earn to live, if

1330
01:04:58,733 --> 01:05:01,493
Speaker 4: you don't have any capital, you know, very true, because

1331
01:05:02,293 --> 01:05:05,173
Speaker 4: you know, and there's some other things I've put aside,

1332
01:05:05,173 --> 01:05:07,533
Speaker 4: all the thing about family and stuff, that's a given.

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01:05:07,693 --> 01:05:12,213
Speaker 4: But if you can work hard, and I've worked all

1334
01:05:12,253 --> 01:05:15,693
Speaker 4: my life, you know, over forty years, still working, and

1335
01:05:17,573 --> 01:05:21,333
Speaker 4: you know, just try and spend less than you earn

1336
01:05:21,773 --> 01:05:25,613
Speaker 4: and have reserves, and if you're fortunate enough, try and

1337
01:05:25,813 --> 01:05:29,693
Speaker 4: you know, there's a lot of emotional and financial benefits

1338
01:05:29,773 --> 01:05:31,813
Speaker 4: to being able to own your own home. I have

1339
01:05:31,933 --> 01:05:34,973
Speaker 4: a modest home, but at least I know I can't

1340
01:05:35,013 --> 01:05:36,613
Speaker 4: be kicked out. And if I want to have a

1341
01:05:36,813 --> 01:05:39,973
Speaker 4: dog or a cat, I can have one. So I

1342
01:05:40,053 --> 01:05:42,613
Speaker 4: think those are sort of intrinsic things.

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01:05:42,373 --> 01:05:44,133
Speaker 15: That can make you.

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01:05:45,893 --> 01:05:47,813
Speaker 22: Well whether the words rich or wealthy.

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01:05:48,093 --> 01:05:49,613
Speaker 4: Wealthy is probably the better word.

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01:05:51,293 --> 01:05:54,053
Speaker 2: There is a problem though for humans, because I always

1347
01:05:54,093 --> 01:05:56,333
Speaker 2: thought when I got my first house, I'll be like, oh,

1348
01:05:56,333 --> 01:05:59,053
Speaker 2: I've got a house, so now I'll be happy with that,

1349
01:05:59,293 --> 01:06:01,093
Speaker 2: and you immediately go, I need to improve the house,

1350
01:06:01,133 --> 01:06:02,533
Speaker 2: and then you go, I need to get another house,

1351
01:06:03,333 --> 01:06:05,373
Speaker 2: just immediately as soon as you've got it, as immediately

1352
01:06:05,493 --> 01:06:06,973
Speaker 2: you put that in the bank of something you've got

1353
01:06:07,053 --> 01:06:08,613
Speaker 2: and you start looking around for other things things. I

1354
01:06:08,653 --> 01:06:11,493
Speaker 2: think the technical term for it is a hedonic treadmill.

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01:06:12,133 --> 01:06:13,293
Speaker 15: So yeah, I think they.

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01:06:13,333 --> 01:06:15,373
Speaker 4: Called it lifestyle inflation, don't they.

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01:06:16,293 --> 01:06:18,893
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's exactly it. And then I needed a new car,

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01:06:19,013 --> 01:06:20,453
Speaker 3: so I bought a new car, and I was happy

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01:06:20,533 --> 01:06:22,693
Speaker 3: with that for all of about a week, and then

1360
01:06:22,733 --> 01:06:25,093
Speaker 3: got bort to that. So then on to the next thing.

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01:06:25,253 --> 01:06:28,853
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it sort of comes down to, you know,

1362
01:06:29,773 --> 01:06:31,773
Speaker 4: is your life going to be better because you've got

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01:06:31,853 --> 01:06:35,653
Speaker 4: a you know, fifteen thousand dollar car or a sixty

1364
01:06:35,733 --> 01:06:37,853
Speaker 4: thousand dollar car. Not really, it's going to get you

1365
01:06:37,933 --> 01:06:40,893
Speaker 4: to the shops in the same way. You know, is

1366
01:06:41,053 --> 01:06:43,573
Speaker 4: your life going to be better because you know you've

1367
01:06:43,613 --> 01:06:44,573
Speaker 4: got a flash watch?

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01:06:46,013 --> 01:06:46,173
Speaker 14: You know?

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01:06:46,373 --> 01:06:48,733
Speaker 2: I think that sounds like you're talking directly to my soul.

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Speaker 8: Here.

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Speaker 3: Where were you and Marry when I bought this fifteen

1372
01:06:51,213 --> 01:06:53,813
Speaker 3: thousand dollar car? I needed that advice then.

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01:06:55,293 --> 01:06:59,613
Speaker 2: But well, the problem that we have as humans is that,

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01:06:59,853 --> 01:07:02,013
Speaker 2: you know, to just go into to the technical side

1375
01:07:02,013 --> 01:07:04,093
Speaker 2: of it, there is you know, we have dopamine, but

1376
01:07:04,253 --> 01:07:06,653
Speaker 2: we get we think of something, we envision it, and

1377
01:07:06,733 --> 01:07:08,533
Speaker 2: we don't get we get a blast of dope. Mean

1378
01:07:08,573 --> 01:07:10,013
Speaker 2: when we think of the thing that we want, but

1379
01:07:10,093 --> 01:07:11,973
Speaker 2: we don't get the reward till we get it, and

1380
01:07:12,013 --> 01:07:13,613
Speaker 2: then as soon as we get it, that don't meine

1381
01:07:13,653 --> 01:07:18,253
Speaker 2: hit drops right. So we're constantly wanting because that's how

1382
01:07:18,653 --> 01:07:21,533
Speaker 2: a species was successful, because we have to be wanting

1383
01:07:21,613 --> 01:07:23,173
Speaker 2: more or more and more and more and more more

1384
01:07:23,253 --> 01:07:27,653
Speaker 2: to survive and thrive and reproducing all those kind of things.

1385
01:07:27,733 --> 01:07:30,493
Speaker 2: But in the modern world it just means we start

1386
01:07:30,573 --> 01:07:33,533
Speaker 2: wanting material things that we don't necessarily need and won't

1387
01:07:33,533 --> 01:07:35,213
Speaker 2: make us happy, and then we just keep wanting and wanting,

1388
01:07:35,253 --> 01:07:37,453
Speaker 2: getting getting, getting and getting, and all of a sudden,

1389
01:07:37,493 --> 01:07:40,213
Speaker 2: you've spent a whole lot on a heated floor for

1390
01:07:40,293 --> 01:07:43,413
Speaker 2: your bathroom. It gives you joy for about one morning,

1391
01:07:43,813 --> 01:07:46,373
Speaker 2: and then now you can't live without a heated bathroom

1392
01:07:46,413 --> 01:07:48,373
Speaker 2: floor and you don't feel anything special about it.

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Speaker 4: We well, I guess I'm sort of you know, I'm

1394
01:07:51,573 --> 01:07:55,133
Speaker 4: six months away from getting my pension, which I'm really

1395
01:07:55,253 --> 01:07:57,973
Speaker 4: looking forward to having paid taxes all my life. And

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01:07:59,093 --> 01:08:01,853
Speaker 4: you know, I think maybe there's a time in your life,

1397
01:08:01,933 --> 01:08:05,093
Speaker 4: maybe your thirties and your forties, where you know, those

1398
01:08:05,173 --> 01:08:07,773
Speaker 4: sorts of things are more important. But I like to

1399
01:08:07,813 --> 01:08:10,613
Speaker 4: think for me anyway, as I've got older, they become

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01:08:10,733 --> 01:08:13,013
Speaker 4: less important. I don't need to go up and buy

1401
01:08:13,173 --> 01:08:18,372
Speaker 4: new stuff. I have what I need and you know,

1402
01:08:18,532 --> 01:08:22,253
Speaker 4: I give money to my kids if they need it,

1403
01:08:22,372 --> 01:08:25,293
Speaker 4: and things, and you know, those things give me more

1404
01:08:25,452 --> 01:08:26,293
Speaker 4: enjoyment really.

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01:08:27,652 --> 01:08:30,892
Speaker 2: And do you feel safe? Because feeling safe and secure

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01:08:30,933 --> 01:08:34,652
Speaker 2: in your home is a big part of huge, huge

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01:08:34,933 --> 01:08:35,412
Speaker 2: And you.

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01:08:35,452 --> 01:08:38,213
Speaker 4: Know, I think I don't know about I'm not an

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01:08:38,452 --> 01:08:41,692
Speaker 4: expert on New Zealand renting market and stuff. I don't

1410
01:08:41,732 --> 01:08:44,492
Speaker 4: have any investment properties or anything. But you know, I

1411
01:08:45,532 --> 01:08:48,092
Speaker 4: think that you know, people should be able to feel

1412
01:08:48,173 --> 01:08:51,133
Speaker 4: that they've got the ability to keep their home, and

1413
01:08:51,372 --> 01:08:52,692
Speaker 4: I'm not sure everybody does.

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01:08:53,492 --> 01:08:55,012
Speaker 19: Yeah, so that's a big factor.

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01:08:55,213 --> 01:08:58,052
Speaker 3: I think your spot on Maryanne that there's that level

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01:08:58,093 --> 01:09:00,452
Speaker 3: of income you need coming through, so you're not spending

1417
01:09:00,572 --> 01:09:03,452
Speaker 3: most of your waking hours worrying about how you're going

1418
01:09:03,492 --> 01:09:05,772
Speaker 3: to pay bills. But when you hit that point and

1419
01:09:05,893 --> 01:09:08,732
Speaker 3: then start looking at the wider meslow heart high iraqi,

1420
01:09:08,812 --> 01:09:11,892
Speaker 3: so to speak, then yeah, that's where the philosophical Yeah,

1421
01:09:12,492 --> 01:09:12,892
Speaker 3: we've all.

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01:09:12,812 --> 01:09:16,092
Speaker 2: Heard of those billionaires that get hugely upset because another

1423
01:09:16,133 --> 01:09:18,812
Speaker 2: billionaire sails into a harbor and his super yacht is

1424
01:09:18,853 --> 01:09:21,692
Speaker 2: two meters longer than his human drive, and then at

1425
01:09:21,692 --> 01:09:23,652
Speaker 2: that point he's more miserable than.

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01:09:25,412 --> 01:09:28,452
Speaker 4: Than any Yeah, it's pretty tragic, isn't it really.

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01:09:28,732 --> 01:09:31,252
Speaker 2: Yeah, Hey, thank you so much for you call Marianne,

1428
01:09:31,253 --> 01:09:32,972
Speaker 2: and good luck with that pension. I hope it goes

1429
01:09:33,053 --> 01:09:33,492
Speaker 2: well for you.

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01:09:33,652 --> 01:09:35,572
Speaker 3: Great call after a man twelve.

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01:09:35,412 --> 01:09:37,973
Speaker 2: Million dollars hot in spending cash on hand. Okay, a

1432
01:09:38,093 --> 01:09:40,732
Speaker 2: yacht is an expense that costs you cost and you

1433
01:09:40,933 --> 01:09:43,772
Speaker 2: use your twelve million. Now, A yacht size is important

1434
01:09:43,812 --> 01:09:46,612
Speaker 2: in the conversation a mini or a Ferrari bus big

1435
01:09:46,692 --> 01:09:49,892
Speaker 2: rabbit hole conversation. As I said, need or want?

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01:09:50,532 --> 01:09:53,572
Speaker 3: Yeah, good cool, Aaron, how are you?

1437
01:09:54,532 --> 01:09:54,892
Speaker 19: I'm good?

1438
01:09:54,933 --> 01:09:57,372
Speaker 21: Thank you guys, first time call, a long time listen

1439
01:09:57,372 --> 01:10:00,572
Speaker 21: for use or welcome in, thank you, thank you. My

1440
01:10:01,133 --> 01:10:03,812
Speaker 21: theory is, I'll give you this scenario. If you're walking

1441
01:10:03,812 --> 01:10:06,173
Speaker 21: along the street and you see a five dollars, ten

1442
01:10:06,253 --> 01:10:08,973
Speaker 21: dollars or twenty on the note on the side of

1443
01:10:09,013 --> 01:10:10,093
Speaker 21: the road, would you pick it up?

1444
01:10:10,732 --> 01:10:10,892
Speaker 23: Yes?

1445
01:10:12,572 --> 01:10:12,972
Speaker 5: If you walk.

1446
01:10:13,732 --> 01:10:16,652
Speaker 21: If you walk further down and you see fifty cents

1447
01:10:16,732 --> 01:10:18,333
Speaker 21: twenty cents, would you pick it up?

1448
01:10:18,612 --> 01:10:22,572
Speaker 3: Yes. I'm a well known scrooge though Eron.

1449
01:10:23,933 --> 01:10:26,852
Speaker 21: Like myself and my wife, we will go for walks

1450
01:10:26,893 --> 01:10:30,133
Speaker 21: and if we see coinage, we don't walk past. We'll

1451
01:10:30,133 --> 01:10:31,892
Speaker 21: pick it up and we'll have a little money jar

1452
01:10:32,412 --> 01:10:34,973
Speaker 21: and we put it in and we just let let

1453
01:10:35,013 --> 01:10:38,133
Speaker 21: it build up. We've been known to walk along and

1454
01:10:38,213 --> 01:10:40,852
Speaker 21: we may find five dollars. We don't go out and

1455
01:10:40,933 --> 01:10:42,772
Speaker 21: buy a coffee. We'll just put it in, you know,

1456
01:10:42,893 --> 01:10:44,612
Speaker 21: put it in a money bag or something like that,

1457
01:10:44,732 --> 01:10:48,053
Speaker 21: and just keep it. There's my thing is, we're all

1458
01:10:48,133 --> 01:10:51,293
Speaker 21: trying to be like you know, the old Smithson Jones,

1459
01:10:51,333 --> 01:10:53,492
Speaker 21: trying to keep up. My neighbor's got a new VCR,

1460
01:10:53,572 --> 01:10:55,253
Speaker 21: So all going buy a DVD player.

1461
01:10:56,013 --> 01:10:57,852
Speaker 22: We know we don't have to, you don't have to

1462
01:10:57,893 --> 01:10:58,093
Speaker 22: have it.

1463
01:10:58,173 --> 01:11:00,253
Speaker 21: You just want to try and be better than you'rellow

1464
01:11:00,372 --> 01:11:01,093
Speaker 21: person next to you.

1465
01:11:02,492 --> 01:11:04,173
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a hard thing to fight though, for a

1466
01:11:04,213 --> 01:11:06,612
Speaker 3: lot of people keeping up with the Joneses mentality. And

1467
01:11:06,772 --> 01:11:08,893
Speaker 3: I know I've got that with a myself, and I

1468
01:11:09,013 --> 01:11:12,012
Speaker 3: try hard, but it's that sneaking thing in the back

1469
01:11:12,013 --> 01:11:14,492
Speaker 3: of your head that you know that comparison and I

1470
01:11:14,692 --> 01:11:16,772
Speaker 3: know comparison is a thief for joy. I know all

1471
01:11:16,812 --> 01:11:18,812
Speaker 3: of that stuff, but it's a constant fight to not

1472
01:11:18,933 --> 01:11:21,372
Speaker 3: look at how others are doing and think why don't

1473
01:11:21,372 --> 01:11:21,772
Speaker 3: I have that?

1474
01:11:22,732 --> 01:11:22,852
Speaker 26: Oh?

1475
01:11:22,973 --> 01:11:25,492
Speaker 21: Yes, yes, it's a need and once again, isn't it?

1476
01:11:27,053 --> 01:11:29,532
Speaker 21: But you know, I'm married with a wife, and I

1477
01:11:29,652 --> 01:11:31,572
Speaker 21: have two step daughters and a son who are all

1478
01:11:31,692 --> 01:11:35,052
Speaker 21: working age now, and my wife doesn't work. I support

1479
01:11:35,133 --> 01:11:38,972
Speaker 21: her she was working, and we don't own a home.

1480
01:11:39,093 --> 01:11:42,852
Speaker 21: We're I think we're quite well lost because we we

1481
01:11:43,013 --> 01:11:46,253
Speaker 21: pay our bulls, we eat, we'll go to second end shops,

1482
01:11:46,293 --> 01:11:48,372
Speaker 21: we'll go to guard seals. I think we are rich

1483
01:11:48,452 --> 01:11:49,213
Speaker 21: in life that way.

1484
01:11:49,893 --> 01:11:52,452
Speaker 2: Yeah, good on you, Aaron. So you know when you're

1485
01:11:52,452 --> 01:11:55,253
Speaker 2: talking about that picking up money, because you know it's

1486
01:11:55,372 --> 01:11:58,253
Speaker 2: the richest man in the world. Elon musk Earns three

1487
01:11:58,372 --> 01:12:00,612
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty three thousand, three hundred and thirty three

1488
01:12:00,612 --> 01:12:03,412
Speaker 2: dollars per minute currently, so for him it would make

1489
01:12:03,452 --> 01:12:04,933
Speaker 2: no sense to pick up the twenty dollars. But I

1490
01:12:04,973 --> 01:12:07,652
Speaker 2: remember someone asked Bill Gates this question, you know, because

1491
01:12:07,692 --> 01:12:10,412
Speaker 2: for Bill Gates at the time, it wouldn't be worth

1492
01:12:10,492 --> 01:12:13,692
Speaker 2: his time to pick up anless it was tens and

1493
01:12:13,732 --> 01:12:15,652
Speaker 2: tens of thousands of dollars or that, And he said,

1494
01:12:15,652 --> 01:12:17,532
Speaker 2: of course I pick up a twenty dollars. Yeah, of

1495
01:12:17,572 --> 01:12:19,932
Speaker 2: course I do. I can't just walk past it. Yeah,

1496
01:12:20,013 --> 01:12:22,053
Speaker 2: but often people that are really rich care about money

1497
01:12:22,133 --> 01:12:23,572
Speaker 2: more than people that aren't really rich.

1498
01:12:24,452 --> 01:12:27,133
Speaker 3: Well, it's like, I mean Warren Buffett for example, well

1499
01:12:27,253 --> 01:12:30,173
Speaker 3: know and tied us excuse my French, but you know,

1500
01:12:30,293 --> 01:12:32,293
Speaker 3: he gets the same thing from McDonald's each morning, He

1501
01:12:32,372 --> 01:12:35,052
Speaker 3: drives the same car, lives in the same house because

1502
01:12:35,053 --> 01:12:38,492
Speaker 3: he was so obsessed and I think still is about

1503
01:12:38,612 --> 01:12:41,612
Speaker 3: generating more and more and more money. But he's still

1504
01:12:41,652 --> 01:12:45,133
Speaker 3: got that drive thing because he thinks compounding interest. I

1505
01:12:45,213 --> 01:12:47,612
Speaker 3: don't want to tap into any of the wealth that

1506
01:12:47,652 --> 01:12:50,253
Speaker 3: I've created, not even for charity. He's changed his mind now,

1507
01:12:50,853 --> 01:12:54,412
Speaker 3: but because he just needed more more. I can do

1508
01:12:54,572 --> 01:12:56,532
Speaker 3: more if I get to a trillion, I'll be able

1509
01:12:56,532 --> 01:12:58,772
Speaker 3: to solve so many more problems. And then once he

1510
01:12:58,812 --> 01:13:00,572
Speaker 3: got to a trillion, if he ever did, I imagine

1511
01:13:00,572 --> 01:13:01,892
Speaker 3: he would have kept going up and up and up.

1512
01:13:02,253 --> 01:13:04,612
Speaker 2: Well, you know, there's no one more miserable than the

1513
01:13:04,652 --> 01:13:08,293
Speaker 2: guy that's worth four hundred million in a room with billionaires.

1514
01:13:09,372 --> 01:13:12,973
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, very true. And what a mug that person is.

1515
01:13:13,053 --> 01:13:15,333
Speaker 2: Because if you've got worth four hundred million of probably

1516
01:13:15,652 --> 01:13:18,892
Speaker 2: much of your personality is to define by your wealth,

1517
01:13:19,173 --> 01:13:21,972
Speaker 2: and then suddenly that's that meaning is taken away from

1518
01:13:22,013 --> 01:13:24,053
Speaker 2: you by the people that are very much wealthier than you.

1519
01:13:24,173 --> 01:13:26,012
Speaker 3: I'll take us four hundred million, Oh wight, one hundred

1520
01:13:26,013 --> 01:13:27,772
Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty is the number to call. It

1521
01:13:27,933 --> 01:13:30,212
Speaker 3: is nine to three back very surely.

1522
01:13:31,053 --> 01:13:33,412
Speaker 1: The issues that affect you, and a bit of fun

1523
01:13:33,492 --> 01:13:37,412
Speaker 1: along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams. Afternoons, news talks.

1524
01:13:37,452 --> 01:13:40,692
Speaker 3: It'd be news talks. It'd be very good afternoon to you.

1525
01:13:40,933 --> 01:13:43,412
Speaker 3: And we've asked the question what has been rich mean

1526
01:13:43,492 --> 01:13:45,652
Speaker 3: to you? Craig? How are you?

1527
01:13:47,173 --> 01:13:47,333
Speaker 9: Oh?

1528
01:13:47,452 --> 01:13:47,972
Speaker 23: Good mate?

1529
01:13:49,933 --> 01:13:54,213
Speaker 19: Yeah, interesting story. Being rich means so many different things

1530
01:13:54,293 --> 01:13:55,213
Speaker 19: and so many different people.

1531
01:13:55,253 --> 01:13:55,772
Speaker 21: I give.

1532
01:13:57,253 --> 01:14:01,532
Speaker 19: For me, I'm kind of at the end of my

1533
01:14:01,652 --> 01:14:05,973
Speaker 19: working life and we're going to splash out on a

1534
01:14:06,333 --> 01:14:11,772
Speaker 19: tow vehicle and a caravan, and I just enjoy them,

1535
01:14:11,973 --> 01:14:16,812
Speaker 19: you know, the sort of remaining opportunities we have where

1536
01:14:16,812 --> 01:14:20,012
Speaker 19: we can still like walk up mountains and do things.

1537
01:14:21,772 --> 01:14:24,692
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you traveling around with your with your

1538
01:14:25,492 --> 01:14:29,053
Speaker 2: partner doing that, as opposed to someone just sitting in

1539
01:14:29,133 --> 01:14:32,172
Speaker 2: a giant you know, the cliche of the old scrooge

1540
01:14:32,213 --> 01:14:36,893
Speaker 2: sitting in a giant mansioned by themselves. You know, I

1541
01:14:37,013 --> 01:14:37,933
Speaker 2: know which one I'd rather be.

1542
01:14:38,093 --> 01:14:38,293
Speaker 25: I mean.

1543
01:14:38,412 --> 01:14:40,692
Speaker 2: And the funny thing is, like people talk about prison

1544
01:14:40,732 --> 01:14:43,333
Speaker 2: of your own mind, because the really wealthy person could

1545
01:14:43,372 --> 01:14:44,612
Speaker 2: go and do that, but if they don't have the

1546
01:14:44,652 --> 01:14:47,852
Speaker 2: person to do it, or the inclination or the or whatever,

1547
01:14:47,973 --> 01:14:50,133
Speaker 2: then then they just don't do it. Whereas you, you're

1548
01:14:50,173 --> 01:14:53,012
Speaker 2: about to head off and have a bunch of fantastic adventures. Craig.

1549
01:14:54,372 --> 01:14:57,213
Speaker 19: Yeah, well, I mean I've had a pretty good life anyway, mate,

1550
01:14:57,253 --> 01:14:59,532
Speaker 19: Like it hasn't been a sit on the couch life.

1551
01:15:01,093 --> 01:15:04,492
Speaker 19: So I just kind of feel like, yeah, I've got

1552
01:15:04,532 --> 01:15:07,492
Speaker 19: to the end, you know, of the working life, and

1553
01:15:09,532 --> 01:15:11,732
Speaker 19: why not actually go and spend some money on that

1554
01:15:14,812 --> 01:15:21,812
Speaker 19: you can keep on trying to build your portfolio if

1555
01:15:21,853 --> 01:15:26,053
Speaker 19: you like, and sort of like then drop dead and

1556
01:15:26,213 --> 01:15:29,013
Speaker 19: leave it all to your kids. But there's also a

1557
01:15:29,053 --> 01:15:30,973
Speaker 19: lot to be said. I think further fact, you were

1558
01:15:31,173 --> 01:15:32,852
Speaker 19: really hard to actually enjoyed at the end.

1559
01:15:33,492 --> 01:15:36,532
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, good on you, Craig. Thank you for

1560
01:15:36,612 --> 01:15:36,972
Speaker 2: your call.

1561
01:15:37,133 --> 01:15:38,053
Speaker 3: Certainly sound rich.

1562
01:15:38,372 --> 01:15:43,133
Speaker 2: I felt very wealthy in the weekend when me and

1563
01:15:43,412 --> 01:15:45,932
Speaker 2: my son and I we were off to play some golf,

1564
01:15:45,973 --> 01:15:48,093
Speaker 2: but then it was so incredibly busy. It turns out

1565
01:15:48,133 --> 01:15:50,133
Speaker 2: we weren't the only father and son combination that it

1566
01:15:50,213 --> 01:15:52,293
Speaker 2: came up with that plan funny, and he said, you

1567
01:15:52,333 --> 01:15:54,053
Speaker 2: want to just go for a walk, dad, And so

1568
01:15:55,532 --> 01:15:58,692
Speaker 2: my son and I walked up Mount eating together and

1569
01:15:58,933 --> 01:16:01,852
Speaker 2: I was going, how awesome that my son suggested this,

1570
01:16:02,133 --> 01:16:04,892
Speaker 2: and just spending my time with this guy, I just thought,

1571
01:16:05,053 --> 01:16:07,333
Speaker 2: I was I don't know, I just did this wave

1572
01:16:07,412 --> 01:16:10,852
Speaker 2: of things just so incredibly great on a Father's day

1573
01:16:11,492 --> 01:16:13,372
Speaker 2: going for a wander with my son. I thought, boy,

1574
01:16:14,093 --> 01:16:16,213
Speaker 2: you know, I would pay every cent in the world

1575
01:16:16,253 --> 01:16:18,372
Speaker 2: to be in the position that I am now that

1576
01:16:18,452 --> 01:16:20,253
Speaker 2: I have such a great sun that I can do that.

1577
01:16:20,293 --> 01:16:22,253
Speaker 3: With you, that is very cool, very cool, And I

1578
01:16:22,372 --> 01:16:24,293
Speaker 3: know this is a cliche, and I know people give

1579
01:16:24,372 --> 01:16:26,973
Speaker 3: this country a hard time, but genuinely, how good is

1580
01:16:27,013 --> 01:16:29,852
Speaker 3: it that you're born in a place like New Zealand. Yeah, honestly,

1581
01:16:30,053 --> 01:16:31,893
Speaker 3: you know the beauty of a place like Auckland and

1582
01:16:31,973 --> 01:16:33,772
Speaker 3: christ Hitch and all the rest of it, that is

1583
01:16:33,853 --> 01:16:37,012
Speaker 3: something to feel very rich about. And Aoneda and Anita

1584
01:16:37,053 --> 01:16:39,412
Speaker 3: and Nelson. Right, we're going to carry this on because

1585
01:16:39,452 --> 01:16:41,452
Speaker 3: we've had so many calls and techs come through. But

1586
01:16:41,572 --> 01:16:43,532
Speaker 3: Keny hear from you on our one hundred and eighty

1587
01:16:43,692 --> 01:16:46,173
Speaker 3: ten eighty what does rich mean to you? In twenty

1588
01:16:46,253 --> 01:16:48,532
Speaker 3: twenty five, New Sport and weather on its way.

1589
01:16:52,492 --> 01:16:55,812
Speaker 5: You're on you home, are in sateful and entertaining talk.

1590
01:16:56,093 --> 01:17:00,973
Speaker 1: It's Matty and Taylor Adams afternoons on news Talk sebby.

1591
01:17:01,893 --> 01:17:05,173
Speaker 3: Very good afternoon, Chi. It is seven pass three. So

1592
01:17:05,253 --> 01:17:07,893
Speaker 3: a police officer is undergoing surgery after being shot in

1593
01:17:07,933 --> 01:17:11,492
Speaker 3: the head Marta copper fugitive Tom Phillips as the search

1594
01:17:11,652 --> 01:17:15,173
Speaker 3: continues for two of his children. New Zealand Herald reporter

1595
01:17:15,652 --> 01:17:18,412
Speaker 3: Jamie Lyth is on the ground in Marta Copa and

1596
01:17:18,492 --> 01:17:21,452
Speaker 3: she joins us on the line. Now, Jamie, how are you.

1597
01:17:23,093 --> 01:17:23,812
Speaker 25: I'm doing well.

1598
01:17:23,933 --> 01:17:25,293
Speaker 7: How are you going good?

1599
01:17:25,372 --> 01:17:27,133
Speaker 2: Thanks? What are you seeing down there? Is there any

1600
01:17:27,173 --> 01:17:29,452
Speaker 2: signs of the search for the missing children?

1601
01:17:30,893 --> 01:17:34,492
Speaker 7: To be honest, no, it's very quiet down here. It's

1602
01:17:34,492 --> 01:17:39,133
Speaker 7: a very spread out community, and there is a history

1603
01:17:39,173 --> 01:17:41,892
Speaker 7: with a bit of hostility towards media, and we'll seeing

1604
01:17:41,933 --> 01:17:44,572
Speaker 7: a little bit of that today. Not everyone really wants.

1605
01:17:44,372 --> 01:17:45,013
Speaker 4: To talk to us.

1606
01:17:46,452 --> 01:17:49,013
Speaker 7: But there isn't anything in particular that would lead you

1607
01:17:49,093 --> 01:17:51,732
Speaker 7: to believe that, you know, a very famous fugitive that

1608
01:17:51,812 --> 01:17:53,972
Speaker 7: has put this town on the map has been shot

1609
01:17:54,053 --> 01:17:54,692
Speaker 7: dead this morning.

1610
01:17:55,293 --> 01:17:58,572
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so you say, there's a few locals about

1611
01:17:58,692 --> 01:17:59,532
Speaker 2: what have they been saying?

1612
01:18:00,812 --> 01:18:03,772
Speaker 7: Well, a local who did want to speak to me,

1613
01:18:04,973 --> 01:18:08,452
Speaker 7: he said he was disappointed, but not particularly surprised that

1614
01:18:08,933 --> 01:18:12,812
Speaker 7: the Phillips saga had ended like this. I mean, he

1615
01:18:12,893 --> 01:18:16,852
Speaker 7: described it as not unexpected, and he said that it

1616
01:18:16,933 --> 01:18:21,372
Speaker 7: was particularly tragic for the children, you know, after probably

1617
01:18:21,572 --> 01:18:25,412
Speaker 7: developing a strong bond with their father, after living in

1618
01:18:25,452 --> 01:18:27,452
Speaker 7: the bush to do there, you know, for almost four years.

1619
01:18:28,532 --> 01:18:32,133
Speaker 3: Is there much police activity in matter, Cooper at the moment, Jamie,

1620
01:18:32,173 --> 01:18:35,253
Speaker 3: are you seen any helicopters overhead? Is there much police

1621
01:18:35,293 --> 01:18:35,772
Speaker 3: on the ground?

1622
01:18:36,933 --> 01:18:39,412
Speaker 7: So, frankly, I've seen no police on the ground, but

1623
01:18:39,572 --> 01:18:43,772
Speaker 7: we have seen the Eagle helicopters fly above us. The

1624
01:18:43,893 --> 01:18:46,013
Speaker 7: most movement on the roads around here are people on

1625
01:18:46,093 --> 01:18:48,853
Speaker 7: quad bikes, right, okay.

1626
01:18:49,173 --> 01:18:51,572
Speaker 2: A popular mode of transport down there. And what about

1627
01:18:52,213 --> 01:18:56,213
Speaker 2: any word at all on the injured police officer? Any

1628
01:18:56,293 --> 01:18:57,493
Speaker 2: updates on the condition.

1629
01:18:59,333 --> 01:19:01,452
Speaker 7: Not that I've heard of, no, but I have heard

1630
01:19:01,492 --> 01:19:04,973
Speaker 7: that this morning he was talking to his colleagues, so

1631
01:19:06,213 --> 01:19:08,333
Speaker 7: that is a good sign that someone might be okay.

1632
01:19:09,093 --> 01:19:12,812
Speaker 2: And then when do you expect authorities to update the situation.

1633
01:19:14,173 --> 01:19:17,092
Speaker 7: I believe authorities are giving an update at three thirty

1634
01:19:17,772 --> 01:19:21,053
Speaker 7: this afternoon at a live press stand up.

1635
01:19:21,652 --> 01:19:25,293
Speaker 3: Yeah, Jamie, thank you very much for having a chat

1636
01:19:25,372 --> 01:19:27,532
Speaker 3: with us. Go well down there and look after yourself

1637
01:19:27,572 --> 01:19:29,013
Speaker 3: and we might catch up a little bit later on.

1638
01:19:29,933 --> 01:19:30,892
Speaker 7: Sounds good, Thanks guy.

1639
01:19:31,053 --> 01:19:33,652
Speaker 3: That is New Zealand Herald reporter Jamie lyth Anis you

1640
01:19:33,772 --> 01:19:37,012
Speaker 3: mentioned We are expecting an update from police at three

1641
01:19:37,013 --> 01:19:40,293
Speaker 3: point thirty pm and as soon as that stand up happens,

1642
01:19:40,333 --> 01:19:42,892
Speaker 3: we will take it live right here, so stay tuned

1643
01:19:43,093 --> 01:19:46,053
Speaker 3: for that. Right back to our discussion we were having

1644
01:19:46,093 --> 01:19:49,372
Speaker 3: about what it means to be rich in twenty twenty five,

1645
01:19:49,692 --> 01:19:53,053
Speaker 3: so many texts have come through on people that feel rich,

1646
01:19:53,133 --> 01:19:54,812
Speaker 3: and not just because they've got lots of money.

1647
01:19:55,053 --> 01:19:57,572
Speaker 2: Well, this article on the Telegraph out of the UK

1648
01:19:57,853 --> 01:20:00,932
Speaker 2: put the figure of being rich in the United Kingdom

1649
01:20:01,492 --> 01:20:04,772
Speaker 2: at two one hundred and thirteen thousand pounds.

1650
01:20:04,933 --> 01:20:05,532
Speaker 3: That's good money.

1651
01:20:05,532 --> 01:20:07,012
Speaker 2: He puts you in the top one percent.

1652
01:20:07,452 --> 01:20:10,412
Speaker 3: Yeah, but is that rich?

1653
01:20:10,692 --> 01:20:10,892
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1654
01:20:11,372 --> 01:20:13,692
Speaker 2: Are there other ways that you can be rich other

1655
01:20:13,772 --> 01:20:16,732
Speaker 2: than having two hundred and thirteen thousand pounds a year?

1656
01:20:17,293 --> 01:20:18,933
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, there wouldn't be too many people inning that

1657
01:20:19,013 --> 01:20:20,892
Speaker 3: sort of money. But if that is you O eight

1658
01:20:20,893 --> 01:20:24,572
Speaker 3: one hundred eighty ten eighty. Does money mean everything when

1659
01:20:24,612 --> 01:20:26,572
Speaker 3: it comes to feeling rich or do you have other

1660
01:20:26,652 --> 01:20:28,492
Speaker 3: things in your life that you've discovered as you've got

1661
01:20:28,532 --> 01:20:30,173
Speaker 3: a bit older? And why is it that makes you

1662
01:20:30,253 --> 01:20:30,892
Speaker 3: truly wealthy?

1663
01:20:31,013 --> 01:20:32,852
Speaker 2: Here you go, Allen says rich for me as a

1664
01:20:32,893 --> 01:20:36,772
Speaker 2: freezer full of meat and a shed full of dri Fhile, well.

1665
01:20:36,692 --> 01:20:39,333
Speaker 3: That's living the good life, mate, living the good life.

1666
01:20:39,412 --> 01:20:39,532
Speaker 19: Right?

1667
01:20:39,612 --> 01:20:41,972
Speaker 3: Oh, had one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number

1668
01:20:41,973 --> 01:20:44,412
Speaker 3: to call? It is ten past three. Back in the

1669
01:20:44,452 --> 01:20:47,892
Speaker 3: month US talks'd be thirteen past three. So we are

1670
01:20:48,053 --> 01:20:50,932
Speaker 3: expecting an update from police to stand up around about

1671
01:20:50,973 --> 01:20:53,612
Speaker 3: three thirty pm and we will take that live as

1672
01:20:53,692 --> 01:20:56,253
Speaker 3: soon as that starts right here, so stay tuned for that.

1673
01:20:56,412 --> 01:20:58,253
Speaker 3: But back to our discussion about what it means to

1674
01:20:58,293 --> 01:21:01,492
Speaker 3: be rich in twenty twenty five. So many texts coming through.

1675
01:21:01,572 --> 01:21:03,932
Speaker 3: On nine two nine two, lat.

1676
01:21:03,772 --> 01:21:05,812
Speaker 2: Says I can sid in my sparpoor, wave my hand

1677
01:21:05,973 --> 01:21:08,133
Speaker 2: out and my kids will bring me another scotch on

1678
01:21:08,173 --> 01:21:11,652
Speaker 2: the rocks. Feeling pretty wealthy. Lance, Yeah, I mean, if

1679
01:21:11,652 --> 01:21:13,612
Speaker 2: you've got children that will serve you, then that's as

1680
01:21:13,652 --> 01:21:14,492
Speaker 2: good as having servants.

1681
01:21:14,933 --> 01:21:15,492
Speaker 3: Certainly is.

1682
01:21:16,973 --> 01:21:18,812
Speaker 2: You won the lottery if you were born in New

1683
01:21:18,893 --> 01:21:22,932
Speaker 2: Zealand says this text dead right, Tyler about being born

1684
01:21:22,973 --> 01:21:25,053
Speaker 2: in this country and also mad about walking your son.

1685
01:21:25,173 --> 01:21:27,772
Speaker 2: Those are the types of things that make you rich

1686
01:21:28,173 --> 01:21:33,213
Speaker 2: in life. This person says. Rich people have labels on

1687
01:21:33,333 --> 01:21:37,732
Speaker 2: their clothes. I don't know. Second, I've got to get

1688
01:21:37,772 --> 01:21:41,452
Speaker 2: this rich definitely, sorry wealth as Oh my god. So

1689
01:21:41,532 --> 01:21:43,612
Speaker 2: many texts came through and it's gone through. I think

1690
01:21:43,692 --> 01:21:47,213
Speaker 2: the basic thing was before it disappeared. I'm not saying

1691
01:21:47,253 --> 01:21:49,972
Speaker 2: it as articularly as it came through. But rich people

1692
01:21:50,173 --> 01:21:54,133
Speaker 2: have labels on their clothes. Happy people have dog for

1693
01:21:54,333 --> 01:21:55,492
Speaker 2: on their clothes like it.

1694
01:21:55,652 --> 01:21:56,253
Speaker 3: Yeah. Nice.

1695
01:21:56,412 --> 01:21:58,093
Speaker 2: What about the queen though she had a corgy, she

1696
01:21:58,213 --> 01:22:00,253
Speaker 2: was rich and had you can also you can be

1697
01:22:00,333 --> 01:22:01,572
Speaker 2: rich and have animals.

1698
01:22:01,253 --> 01:22:03,652
Speaker 3: To cheer labels. I don't think she cared for that

1699
01:22:03,732 --> 01:22:05,133
Speaker 3: type of thing. She had a beautiful crown.

1700
01:22:05,772 --> 01:22:12,692
Speaker 2: Well, she had beautiful coolgies. Lauren, Welcome to the shine, Lauren.

1701
01:22:13,253 --> 01:22:15,492
Speaker 3: Hey you, Lauren, Me.

1702
01:22:15,532 --> 01:22:18,372
Speaker 18: And my husband are working through this right now. I'm

1703
01:22:18,412 --> 01:22:23,013
Speaker 18: obviously American and I'm married to Kiwi and we're we're

1704
01:22:23,093 --> 01:22:26,052
Speaker 18: doing succession with our dairy farm with my in laws,

1705
01:22:27,853 --> 01:22:31,013
Speaker 18: and so I come from a middle class family in

1706
01:22:31,053 --> 01:22:34,492
Speaker 18: America and talking about the numbers, you know, the amount

1707
01:22:34,492 --> 01:22:36,772
Speaker 18: of money we're going to borrow to borrow this farm.

1708
01:22:37,572 --> 01:22:39,652
Speaker 18: Our numbers I never in my life thought I would

1709
01:22:39,652 --> 01:22:44,333
Speaker 18: ever talked about. So it's crazy hearing these big numbers.

1710
01:22:44,452 --> 01:22:47,253
Speaker 18: But my father in law, he always just kind of

1711
01:22:47,293 --> 01:22:50,852
Speaker 18: looks at me like I'm crazy because I'm always wanting

1712
01:22:50,893 --> 01:22:53,452
Speaker 18: to bring in the value of a work life balance,

1713
01:22:53,652 --> 01:22:58,293
Speaker 18: you know, So you know he can't understand, you know

1714
01:22:58,612 --> 01:23:02,492
Speaker 18: why I don't think it right? You know, Well, yeah,

1715
01:23:02,532 --> 01:23:04,652
Speaker 18: that's just what you do. You work twenty four seven,

1716
01:23:04,812 --> 01:23:08,013
Speaker 18: seven days a week, and you know, that's that's just

1717
01:23:08,133 --> 01:23:10,412
Speaker 18: the price you pay to it. So I'm always like, well,

1718
01:23:11,013 --> 01:23:13,612
Speaker 18: that's a big price to pay when you know, my

1719
01:23:13,772 --> 01:23:15,772
Speaker 18: husband doesn't get to tuck our kids in at night.

1720
01:23:15,973 --> 01:23:18,093
Speaker 18: And so you know, coming back like, how do you

1721
01:23:18,173 --> 01:23:20,612
Speaker 18: monetize that? How do you monetize.

1722
01:23:21,933 --> 01:23:24,293
Speaker 2: You know, time with your kids. Did you did you

1723
01:23:24,333 --> 01:23:27,092
Speaker 2: grow up in an urban environment or a rural environment?

1724
01:23:28,013 --> 01:23:31,333
Speaker 18: Well, person, I grew up in the desert. So talking

1725
01:23:31,333 --> 01:23:34,573
Speaker 18: about cows and drafts and all that. I'm from Arizona,

1726
01:23:34,973 --> 01:23:37,772
Speaker 18: but I grew up yeah, suburbs. My mom was a teacher.

1727
01:23:38,372 --> 01:23:41,652
Speaker 18: My dad owned his own business. So you know, if

1728
01:23:41,692 --> 01:23:44,133
Speaker 18: they wanted to come to our soccer game or if

1729
01:23:44,133 --> 01:23:46,973
Speaker 18: they wanted to you know, be at some something, they

1730
01:23:47,093 --> 01:23:49,333
Speaker 18: had the flexibility. You know, my lot with a teacher.

1731
01:23:49,412 --> 01:23:52,253
Speaker 18: She got her summers off so we could spend time

1732
01:23:52,293 --> 01:23:55,732
Speaker 18: together as a family where you know, colos even get

1733
01:23:55,812 --> 01:23:59,253
Speaker 18: milks on Christmas. So my husband saw the reality that no,

1734
01:23:59,492 --> 01:24:03,093
Speaker 18: the farms, farm comes first. And because of my father

1735
01:24:03,213 --> 01:24:08,853
Speaker 18: in laws, i mean crazy work ethics, he's very sick, accessful,

1736
01:24:08,973 --> 01:24:13,413
Speaker 18: and obviously that's up for an opportunity to look at succession.

1737
01:24:14,692 --> 01:24:18,452
Speaker 18: But it's definitely been I think jarring for my husband too. Yeah,

1738
01:24:19,213 --> 01:24:21,093
Speaker 18: and I think for a lot of gery farmers, a

1739
01:24:21,133 --> 01:24:22,933
Speaker 18: lot of farmers in New Zealand, it's how do you

1740
01:24:23,013 --> 01:24:25,933
Speaker 18: put a price on your mental health? How do you

1741
01:24:26,013 --> 01:24:28,732
Speaker 18: put a price on your trying? You know, how do

1742
01:24:28,772 --> 01:24:31,412
Speaker 18: you put a price on that? It's not something that

1743
01:24:31,812 --> 01:24:35,653
Speaker 18: can be easily quantifiable.

1744
01:24:36,133 --> 01:24:39,452
Speaker 2: What's it like to move from Arizona? You're surrounded by

1745
01:24:39,492 --> 01:24:42,093
Speaker 2: your family, friends, I imagine a lot of activity or

1746
01:24:42,133 --> 01:24:43,572
Speaker 2: at the scene of the world, and then moved to

1747
01:24:43,612 --> 01:24:46,173
Speaker 2: a farm in New Zealand. Is there a sense of

1748
01:24:46,772 --> 01:24:48,053
Speaker 2: isolation for you?

1749
01:24:50,692 --> 01:24:53,492
Speaker 18: I think the biggest issue has been, like I said,

1750
01:24:53,572 --> 01:24:58,213
Speaker 18: I moved from the desert, met my husband in Townsville, Australia,

1751
01:24:58,492 --> 01:25:01,852
Speaker 18: and we moved to a farm that an hour south

1752
01:25:01,933 --> 01:25:04,333
Speaker 18: of Domedan, and he moved me there in August. So

1753
01:25:05,772 --> 01:25:09,213
Speaker 18: I think it's a judgment. It's been I live closer

1754
01:25:09,333 --> 01:25:11,812
Speaker 18: to Antarctica than I've ever wanted to live.

1755
01:25:13,293 --> 01:25:14,812
Speaker 7: The fact that these.

1756
01:25:14,732 --> 01:25:17,972
Speaker 18: South Islanders look me in the face and say, yeah,

1757
01:25:18,213 --> 01:25:20,213
Speaker 18: a fireplace and the lounge that's all you need for

1758
01:25:20,333 --> 01:25:23,452
Speaker 18: heat still blows your mind. I've been here eight years

1759
01:25:23,612 --> 01:25:27,972
Speaker 18: and yeah, the Marino can only take you so far.

1760
01:25:28,492 --> 01:25:32,652
Speaker 18: You've got one hundred k win driven at your face,

1761
01:25:34,253 --> 01:25:36,732
Speaker 18: So I would say, yeah, but you know, that's been

1762
01:25:36,732 --> 01:25:39,172
Speaker 18: the biggest adjustment. It's been an easier adjustment.

1763
01:25:40,013 --> 01:25:42,133
Speaker 19: This is why America right now.

1764
01:25:42,412 --> 01:25:45,092
Speaker 2: Parents from around the world really worry about their daughters

1765
01:25:45,173 --> 01:25:47,173
Speaker 2: and sons when they go off into the world. And

1766
01:25:47,253 --> 01:25:50,052
Speaker 2: then that you know, your daughter's visiting towns will Nixon

1767
01:25:50,133 --> 01:25:52,412
Speaker 2: she as she gets swipped off her feet, piots yeah,

1768
01:25:52,572 --> 01:25:56,653
Speaker 2: and take takes your daughter to basically Antarctica.

1769
01:25:57,772 --> 01:26:00,173
Speaker 18: I know, well, everyone said you're not gonna come back,

1770
01:26:00,253 --> 01:26:02,213
Speaker 18: You're gonna you're gonna marry an augie. And I always

1771
01:26:02,213 --> 01:26:03,772
Speaker 18: say I upgraded and I married.

1772
01:26:03,532 --> 01:26:08,812
Speaker 2: A yeah, absolutely, yeah, yeah.

1773
01:26:08,973 --> 01:26:11,772
Speaker 18: Yeah, exactly. And as we talk to other farmers, I

1774
01:26:11,812 --> 01:26:15,013
Speaker 18: think it's what a lot. You know, we're millennials by

1775
01:26:15,053 --> 01:26:17,652
Speaker 18: in laws or boomers, and we see it. That's the

1776
01:26:17,772 --> 01:26:22,372
Speaker 18: talk for many families going to succession that these millennial

1777
01:26:22,492 --> 01:26:24,612
Speaker 18: farmers they want to bring in the quality of life,

1778
01:26:24,692 --> 01:26:27,372
Speaker 18: they want to try to figure out and with the

1779
01:26:27,492 --> 01:26:29,893
Speaker 18: praising Nope, that it is right now, we got the

1780
01:26:29,973 --> 01:26:33,093
Speaker 18: option to bring in your quality of life. But it's

1781
01:26:33,253 --> 01:26:36,652
Speaker 18: really hard for that older generation to comprehend that.

1782
01:26:37,133 --> 01:26:38,213
Speaker 2: So how do you on a holiday.

1783
01:26:39,333 --> 01:26:41,772
Speaker 18: It's not just slacking off. You just want to eat

1784
01:26:41,812 --> 01:26:42,692
Speaker 18: dinner with your family.

1785
01:26:43,133 --> 01:26:44,892
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah exactly.

1786
01:26:46,452 --> 01:26:48,612
Speaker 18: I mean my husband, he were he is a hard

1787
01:26:48,652 --> 01:26:51,492
Speaker 18: working blow But yeah, you know what.

1788
01:26:51,612 --> 01:26:52,213
Speaker 12: What do you think?

1789
01:26:53,452 --> 01:26:55,893
Speaker 3: Yeah, well you mentioned they're beck home and Arizona and

1790
01:26:56,133 --> 01:26:58,492
Speaker 3: your parents had some flexibility and that able to do

1791
01:26:58,612 --> 01:27:00,812
Speaker 3: the lovely things like go to the sports games and

1792
01:27:00,893 --> 01:27:03,333
Speaker 3: come home for dinner and do those things. Do you

1793
01:27:03,372 --> 01:27:06,293
Speaker 3: think that is ingrained in US culture? And and Kiwis

1794
01:27:06,293 --> 01:27:08,293
Speaker 3: are hard working most of us, no doubt about it.

1795
01:27:08,812 --> 01:27:11,372
Speaker 3: But is that you know a genuine difference between the

1796
01:27:11,452 --> 01:27:13,772
Speaker 3: uist and here, Oh definitely.

1797
01:27:13,853 --> 01:27:16,253
Speaker 18: And I would say the biggest, the biggest culture shift

1798
01:27:16,333 --> 01:27:20,372
Speaker 18: for me from in America and I'm coming through again

1799
01:27:20,492 --> 01:27:26,052
Speaker 18: a rural dairy farmer. You know, view of life in America.

1800
01:27:26,133 --> 01:27:28,612
Speaker 18: You're taught you buy on credit, you get as many

1801
01:27:28,692 --> 01:27:30,852
Speaker 18: lines of credit as you can. You know, you get

1802
01:27:30,893 --> 01:27:32,892
Speaker 18: your you buy your house with a mortgage, you buy

1803
01:27:32,933 --> 01:27:35,572
Speaker 18: your car with you know, everything's on credit, your car, everything.

1804
01:27:36,572 --> 01:27:38,133
Speaker 18: So with my inlaws, you know, it's like, you know,

1805
01:27:38,333 --> 01:27:39,972
Speaker 18: if you want to, if you want a nicer car,

1806
01:27:40,213 --> 01:27:42,253
Speaker 18: you saved upthing to you even buy that car. And

1807
01:27:42,333 --> 01:27:44,412
Speaker 18: then if you can't buy that car, well, then you've

1808
01:27:44,452 --> 01:27:48,133
Speaker 18: got the two thousand and eight Rangers that's paying off.

1809
01:27:48,732 --> 01:27:51,012
Speaker 18: And we've got a two thousand and eight Ranger that's

1810
01:27:51,333 --> 01:27:54,412
Speaker 18: you know, barely holding on to pure life. But we're

1811
01:27:54,492 --> 01:27:56,612
Speaker 18: not in debt. They you know, my in laws say

1812
01:27:56,692 --> 01:27:59,133
Speaker 18: to us every penny should go towards the mortgage of

1813
01:27:59,213 --> 01:28:02,572
Speaker 18: your house. You live off nothing until that mortgage is

1814
01:28:02,652 --> 01:28:06,932
Speaker 18: stayed off, to which my parents say, no, yeah, if

1815
01:28:06,973 --> 01:28:09,812
Speaker 18: you have a thirty year mortgage, those thirty years and

1816
01:28:10,053 --> 01:28:12,093
Speaker 18: how you know, because you can't get the holidays back

1817
01:28:12,612 --> 01:28:15,933
Speaker 18: that you see, you know you can? I mean, and

1818
01:28:16,053 --> 01:28:18,372
Speaker 18: which way is wrong? I mean yours probably are a

1819
01:28:18,452 --> 01:28:20,732
Speaker 18: little more jet have you and kind of look at

1820
01:28:20,732 --> 01:28:21,772
Speaker 18: it as whatever.

1821
01:28:22,053 --> 01:28:24,772
Speaker 2: You yeah, you know well, I'd say that you're I'd

1822
01:28:24,772 --> 01:28:27,732
Speaker 2: say you're thanks are well. I would say that your

1823
01:28:27,893 --> 01:28:30,532
Speaker 2: laws might be outliers as kiwis as well, because there's

1824
01:28:30,532 --> 01:28:32,213
Speaker 2: a lot of people ticking up a lot of stuff here.

1825
01:28:32,253 --> 01:28:34,173
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for you call Lauren and Lauren

1826
01:28:34,213 --> 01:28:37,293
Speaker 2: and all the best. And your farm just outside Dunedin.

1827
01:28:37,013 --> 01:28:37,852
Speaker 3: What a great call.

1828
01:28:38,093 --> 01:28:39,013
Speaker 2: No dees it down there?

1829
01:28:39,173 --> 01:28:39,213
Speaker 4: No?

1830
01:28:39,532 --> 01:28:41,933
Speaker 3: Is it down there? Pretty close to Antarctica? Fantastic. Oh

1831
01:28:41,973 --> 01:28:44,093
Speaker 3: eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

1832
01:28:44,213 --> 01:28:46,133
Speaker 3: It is twenty one past three.

1833
01:28:46,333 --> 01:28:49,732
Speaker 2: But I will say that your husband is rich and

1834
01:28:49,853 --> 01:28:51,372
Speaker 2: that he has your love.

1835
01:28:51,612 --> 01:28:59,612
Speaker 5: Beautiful Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call OH eight

1836
01:28:59,732 --> 01:29:02,212
Speaker 5: hundred eighty ten eighty on Youth Talk ZV.

1837
01:29:02,372 --> 01:29:04,812
Speaker 3: Afternoon twenty four past three. Just a reminder, we are

1838
01:29:04,933 --> 01:29:07,812
Speaker 3: expecting an update from police on the ground in regards

1839
01:29:07,853 --> 01:29:10,013
Speaker 3: to the Envy mistigation into the fatal shooting of Tom

1840
01:29:10,053 --> 01:29:12,692
Speaker 3: Phillips and that search for his two remaining children. So

1841
01:29:12,853 --> 01:29:16,372
Speaker 3: stand by for that. We're expecting that in roughly six minutes.

1842
01:29:16,532 --> 01:29:18,973
Speaker 2: And we're talking about this article in the Telegraph and

1843
01:29:19,053 --> 01:29:21,652
Speaker 2: the UK Telegraph in the UK saying that two hundred

1844
01:29:21,692 --> 01:29:25,053
Speaker 2: and thirteen thousand pounds a year makes you rich. But

1845
01:29:25,173 --> 01:29:27,013
Speaker 2: it sounds like from all the calls and text we're

1846
01:29:27,013 --> 01:29:30,972
Speaker 2: getting at kiwi's see it in a more spiritual way

1847
01:29:31,133 --> 01:29:34,572
Speaker 2: that well, this textas says you guys should look at

1848
01:29:34,692 --> 01:29:38,732
Speaker 2: the song by Chris Stapleton Milliennaire. I have They say

1849
01:29:38,812 --> 01:29:41,372
Speaker 2: love is more precious than gold, can't be brought and

1850
01:29:41,452 --> 01:29:43,852
Speaker 2: it can't be sold. I got love enough to spare

1851
01:29:44,333 --> 01:29:46,693
Speaker 2: that makes me a millionaire.

1852
01:29:46,853 --> 01:29:47,692
Speaker 3: Oh, he's pretty good there.

1853
01:29:47,772 --> 01:29:49,972
Speaker 2: I've got a woman with eyes that shine deep down

1854
01:29:50,013 --> 01:29:53,372
Speaker 2: as a diamond mine. She's my treasure, so very rare.

1855
01:29:53,933 --> 01:29:56,972
Speaker 2: She's made me millionaire. He really loves his missus, does.

1856
01:29:57,093 --> 01:29:57,692
Speaker 3: He's a good writer.

1857
01:29:58,452 --> 01:30:01,653
Speaker 2: I'm an absolute fan of his missus, Simon.

1858
01:30:02,293 --> 01:30:06,852
Speaker 3: Yes, And what's your thoughts about rich riches and wealth?

1859
01:30:07,692 --> 01:30:07,852
Speaker 14: Well?

1860
01:30:07,933 --> 01:30:11,053
Speaker 21: I think two things. Firstly, the obvious stuff right like

1861
01:30:11,253 --> 01:30:14,412
Speaker 21: time with the kids is you know, magical access to

1862
01:30:14,532 --> 01:30:17,692
Speaker 21: organic food, doing aikiwi, you know, access to the oceans,

1863
01:30:17,812 --> 01:30:21,173
Speaker 21: like really important. That creates a sense of wealth. And

1864
01:30:21,253 --> 01:30:23,772
Speaker 21: then having a wife that's not pissed off all the

1865
01:30:23,853 --> 01:30:26,372
Speaker 21: time that certainly makes makes life pretty good.

1866
01:30:26,652 --> 01:30:26,772
Speaker 16: Right.

1867
01:30:28,133 --> 01:30:29,812
Speaker 21: But there was again when they called earlier and he

1868
01:30:29,933 --> 01:30:31,732
Speaker 21: was talking about, you know, would you pick up you know,

1869
01:30:31,973 --> 01:30:34,572
Speaker 21: five dollars or ten dollars off the ground, And this

1870
01:30:34,772 --> 01:30:36,572
Speaker 21: kind of shows the question a little, But it's not

1871
01:30:36,692 --> 01:30:39,532
Speaker 21: really about because everyone proceeds wealth in a different way, right,

1872
01:30:39,933 --> 01:30:43,133
Speaker 21: But there's a respect that comes with money if you

1873
01:30:43,213 --> 01:30:45,612
Speaker 21: want it to work for you in the long run.

1874
01:30:45,933 --> 01:30:47,972
Speaker 21: And I do all right in business and and property

1875
01:30:48,013 --> 01:30:50,532
Speaker 21: and things like that. But if I see ten cents

1876
01:30:50,572 --> 01:30:52,692
Speaker 21: on the ground. I pick it up, not with the

1877
01:30:52,812 --> 01:30:56,412
Speaker 21: intention to spend it, but I've just got to lock

1878
01:30:56,492 --> 01:30:59,973
Speaker 21: it in every single time. That money needs respect and

1879
01:31:00,133 --> 01:31:02,333
Speaker 21: you've got to grab it. And it could be a voucher,

1880
01:31:02,452 --> 01:31:04,412
Speaker 21: it could be a discount. You've just got to take

1881
01:31:04,452 --> 01:31:07,492
Speaker 21: them and just like stay in that mindset work.

1882
01:31:07,492 --> 01:31:10,612
Speaker 2: Can't mention walking past a twenty dollars note, that's just

1883
01:31:10,652 --> 01:31:12,772
Speaker 2: seems rude. There's a twenty dollars note on the ground.

1884
01:31:13,173 --> 01:31:14,932
Speaker 3: It's a good hour of great you know, ten seconds

1885
01:31:14,933 --> 01:31:16,293
Speaker 3: to pick that up, it's doing well.

1886
01:31:16,173 --> 01:31:19,293
Speaker 2: It'd be a really weird thing to go nuts. Don't

1887
01:31:19,333 --> 01:31:21,933
Speaker 2: care about money. What I care about is love and

1888
01:31:22,093 --> 01:31:23,732
Speaker 2: time with my kids. Not going to pick that up.

1889
01:31:23,893 --> 01:31:25,612
Speaker 3: Yeah, there wouldn't be too many people out there that

1890
01:31:25,612 --> 01:31:28,812
Speaker 3: would do that. But yeah, I mean the funny thing

1891
01:31:28,933 --> 01:31:31,932
Speaker 3: I read not too long ago Simon by Liam Dan

1892
01:31:32,013 --> 01:31:34,013
Speaker 3: and Liams. You know, he's built a career on being

1893
01:31:34,093 --> 01:31:36,572
Speaker 3: very good with money. But he mentioned something quite interesting

1894
01:31:36,612 --> 01:31:38,132
Speaker 3: and I think he was making a similar point.

1895
01:31:37,933 --> 01:31:39,093
Speaker 2: To you good with money.

1896
01:31:39,173 --> 01:31:40,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, talking about me.

1897
01:31:40,572 --> 01:31:41,652
Speaker 2: It's actually good with money himself.

1898
01:31:41,692 --> 01:31:43,412
Speaker 3: But he said he never shops at New World because

1899
01:31:43,452 --> 01:31:45,293
Speaker 3: he's just had it ingrained to him that there you

1900
01:31:45,412 --> 01:31:47,932
Speaker 3: don't need those finer things in life, and you don't

1901
01:31:47,973 --> 01:31:50,732
Speaker 3: need to have anything fancy. You just stay true to

1902
01:31:50,853 --> 01:31:53,372
Speaker 3: that mentality of looking after your dollars and cents.

1903
01:31:53,692 --> 01:31:55,612
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your call, Simon.

1904
01:31:55,893 --> 01:31:59,492
Speaker 3: Yeah, fantastic. Right, Stay tuned because we are expecting a

1905
01:31:59,492 --> 01:32:03,492
Speaker 3: big update from Acting Deputy Commissioner Jill Rodgers, So stay

1906
01:32:03,572 --> 01:32:05,173
Speaker 3: tuned for that. We're going to take that to you

1907
01:32:05,612 --> 01:32:08,852
Speaker 3: live headlines coming up, and then were going to take

1908
01:32:08,933 --> 01:32:10,732
Speaker 3: you live to Waikato.

1909
01:32:12,853 --> 01:32:16,412
Speaker 13: Youse talks at the headlines with Blue Bubble taxis it's

1910
01:32:16,492 --> 01:32:20,012
Speaker 13: no trouble with a blue bubble. A police officer's undergoing

1911
01:32:20,093 --> 01:32:23,293
Speaker 13: surgery after being shot in the head by Mara Koppa

1912
01:32:23,492 --> 01:32:27,173
Speaker 13: futitive Tom Phillips, as the search continues for two of

1913
01:32:27,372 --> 01:32:30,812
Speaker 13: his children. A second officer shot Phillips, who died at

1914
01:32:30,812 --> 01:32:35,253
Speaker 13: the scene in rural Waikato. Secondary school teachers say they're

1915
01:32:35,293 --> 01:32:38,172
Speaker 13: considering a revised offer from the government for the settlement

1916
01:32:38,293 --> 01:32:42,452
Speaker 13: of their collective agreement. Hope's new trains will boost economic

1917
01:32:42,532 --> 01:32:46,372
Speaker 13: activity across the Lower North Island. Greater Wellington Regional Councils

1918
01:32:46,412 --> 01:32:50,412
Speaker 13: an ounced French firm Alstam will build eighteen new battery

1919
01:32:50,452 --> 01:32:53,573
Speaker 13: electric trains at a cost of more than a billion dollars.

1920
01:32:54,213 --> 01:32:57,132
Speaker 13: Taranaki cops are on the hunt for an anti social

1921
01:32:57,253 --> 01:33:01,532
Speaker 13: driver who's been taunting police. Senior Sergeant Brad Pollock says

1922
01:33:01,572 --> 01:33:04,812
Speaker 13: a person sustained loss of traction directly in front of

1923
01:33:04,893 --> 01:33:08,372
Speaker 13: the new Plymouth police station while wearing a balaclava. He

1924
01:33:08,412 --> 01:33:11,452
Speaker 13: says they found the unwarranted vehicle later, which had a

1925
01:33:11,532 --> 01:33:14,932
Speaker 13: sign in the rare window with a derogatory message for police.

1926
01:33:15,572 --> 01:33:19,732
Speaker 13: Mercury says Amazon's power thirst is real and weighs in

1927
01:33:19,853 --> 01:33:23,013
Speaker 13: on pricing. Read more at anzad Harold Premium. Now back

1928
01:33:23,093 --> 01:33:25,052
Speaker 13: to Matt Heath and Tyler Adams.

1929
01:33:25,293 --> 01:33:27,652
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Jody. So we're just standing by

1930
01:33:27,893 --> 01:33:31,692
Speaker 3: for that update from police after the fatal shooting of

1931
01:33:31,933 --> 01:33:34,812
Speaker 3: Tom Phillips in the early hours of this morning and

1932
01:33:34,893 --> 01:33:38,093
Speaker 3: the ongoing search for his two children. So just updating

1933
01:33:38,173 --> 01:33:40,412
Speaker 3: you on where things are at at the moment. So

1934
01:33:40,572 --> 01:33:43,253
Speaker 3: Acting Deputy Commissioner Jill Rodgers said, a member of the

1935
01:33:43,293 --> 01:33:45,532
Speaker 3: public call police after seeing two people on a quad

1936
01:33:45,532 --> 01:33:48,572
Speaker 3: bike dressed in farm gear and wearing head lamps. Officers

1937
01:33:48,652 --> 01:33:51,293
Speaker 3: laid spikes at about three twenty this morning and the

1938
01:33:51,372 --> 01:33:53,732
Speaker 3: quad brake bike ran over them, stopping it for a

1939
01:33:53,812 --> 01:33:56,812
Speaker 3: short time later, the first attending officer to this scene

1940
01:33:57,372 --> 01:33:59,572
Speaker 3: was shot at close range by the offender with a

1941
01:33:59,612 --> 01:34:02,812
Speaker 3: high powered rifle instruct in the head. That officer is

1942
01:34:02,893 --> 01:34:06,532
Speaker 3: currently undergoing surgery as we speak for those critical injuries.

1943
01:34:06,612 --> 01:34:09,572
Speaker 3: Soon after, a second patrol unit arrived and engaged with

1944
01:34:09,853 --> 01:34:12,452
Speaker 3: Tom Phillips, who dined at the scene. A formal identification

1945
01:34:12,532 --> 01:34:15,333
Speaker 3: has yet to take place, but believes say they do

1946
01:34:15,452 --> 01:34:18,173
Speaker 3: believe it is Tom Phillips. The second person is one

1947
01:34:18,213 --> 01:34:21,092
Speaker 3: of his children who is now receiving wrap around support

1948
01:34:21,213 --> 01:34:24,692
Speaker 3: and assisting police. They are not injured and police are

1949
01:34:24,893 --> 01:34:27,253
Speaker 3: urgently surging for the other two children who they have

1950
01:34:27,452 --> 01:34:31,133
Speaker 3: serious concerns of. There's been a heavy police presence all morning,

1951
01:34:31,372 --> 01:34:34,173
Speaker 3: with police coming in and out of the courton at

1952
01:34:34,253 --> 01:34:37,013
Speaker 3: that scene in a police Eagle helicopter circling overhead. So

1953
01:34:37,133 --> 01:34:40,972
Speaker 3: we're standing by for that update. But an incredibly serious

1954
01:34:41,093 --> 01:34:43,372
Speaker 3: and significant situation unfolding.

1955
01:34:43,853 --> 01:34:47,452
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the community is obviously reading from the situation,

1956
01:34:47,772 --> 01:34:51,692
Speaker 2: but there's a global, global interest in this. It's making

1957
01:34:51,772 --> 01:34:55,053
Speaker 2: news all around the world, So all eyes on this

1958
01:34:55,532 --> 01:34:58,932
Speaker 2: tiny little community and this terrible tragedy that's happened today.

1959
01:34:58,973 --> 01:35:02,052
Speaker 2: The worst possible outcome really one of the worst possible

1960
01:35:02,093 --> 01:35:05,293
Speaker 2: outcomes that you can imagine for this whole situation. Yeah,

1961
01:35:05,532 --> 01:35:08,892
Speaker 2: certainly an injured police officer and the me and himself

1962
01:35:09,692 --> 01:35:10,173
Speaker 2: being shot.

1963
01:35:10,372 --> 01:35:13,412
Speaker 3: Yeah, So that local community and the wider police community,

1964
01:35:13,452 --> 01:35:15,092
Speaker 3: and I think many of us here in New Zealand

1965
01:35:15,133 --> 01:35:17,932
Speaker 3: are are hoping for a good outcome for that police

1966
01:35:17,933 --> 01:35:21,852
Speaker 3: officer who is currently in surgery for those critical injuries.

1967
01:35:22,013 --> 01:35:26,492
Speaker 3: But a terrible and devastating end to what has been

1968
01:35:26,532 --> 01:35:28,052
Speaker 3: a prolonged story.

1969
01:35:28,532 --> 01:35:32,132
Speaker 2: So we know that officers were called by the public

1970
01:35:32,213 --> 01:35:34,452
Speaker 2: after a member of the public so were two people

1971
01:35:34,572 --> 01:35:38,013
Speaker 2: on quad bikes dressed in farm garn wearing headlamps, and

1972
01:35:38,133 --> 01:35:41,812
Speaker 2: officers laid spikes around four twenty this morning and the

1973
01:35:41,933 --> 01:35:44,772
Speaker 2: quad bike ran over them, stopping it a short time later,

1974
01:35:45,333 --> 01:35:47,053
Speaker 2: and then events unrolled from there.

1975
01:35:47,572 --> 01:35:50,932
Speaker 3: So we are standing by for that update from police,

1976
01:35:51,492 --> 01:35:55,132
Speaker 3: expected to start any time now. But in the meantime,

1977
01:35:55,173 --> 01:35:57,652
Speaker 3: we've had so many texts come through about what it

1978
01:35:57,772 --> 01:36:00,692
Speaker 3: means to be rich. In twenty twenty five after a

1979
01:36:00,772 --> 01:36:05,012
Speaker 3: Telegraph article mentioned a specific number about what they would

1980
01:36:05,093 --> 01:36:07,532
Speaker 3: consider wealthy. But we are taking your calls on this

1981
01:36:07,572 --> 01:36:10,253
Speaker 3: one O E one hundred eighty and the text are

1982
01:36:10,293 --> 01:36:11,932
Speaker 3: coming through on nine two ninety two.

1983
01:36:12,492 --> 01:36:14,932
Speaker 2: Just bought my first house in my twenties with my partner.

1984
01:36:15,372 --> 01:36:18,333
Speaker 2: Very poor in money, very rich in love.

1985
01:36:18,572 --> 01:36:22,652
Speaker 3: That is a good moment. Love that This one here, Hi.

1986
01:36:22,612 --> 01:36:24,053
Speaker 2: Matt and Tylle is to go for a walk every

1987
01:36:24,093 --> 01:36:26,572
Speaker 2: Sunday morning with two friends. One day, while walking along,

1988
01:36:26,612 --> 01:36:28,213
Speaker 2: I found a twenty dollar note. I picked it up,

1989
01:36:28,213 --> 01:36:31,372
Speaker 2: and I treated my two friends and I to coffee

1990
01:36:31,492 --> 01:36:34,173
Speaker 2: after our walk. Not too many weeks later, we were

1991
01:36:34,213 --> 01:36:36,852
Speaker 2: out walking again and the one friend who was more

1992
01:36:36,893 --> 01:36:39,772
Speaker 2: wealthy than myself and the other person, she found a

1993
01:36:39,812 --> 01:36:41,412
Speaker 2: twenty dollar note on the ground and picked it up

1994
01:36:41,612 --> 01:36:43,013
Speaker 2: and put it in her pocket and took it home

1995
01:36:43,093 --> 01:36:43,933
Speaker 2: and didn't buy any of.

1996
01:36:44,933 --> 01:36:47,612
Speaker 3: Yeah, water twist at the end. This is a nice one.

1997
01:36:47,652 --> 01:36:50,293
Speaker 3: Ghido Fellow's a couple of statements on a rich life.

1998
01:36:50,612 --> 01:36:55,372
Speaker 3: Health is wealth, Nature equals nurture. It's not what you earn,

1999
01:36:55,452 --> 01:36:58,372
Speaker 3: it's how you spend or save your money. Dreams are

2000
01:36:58,452 --> 01:37:03,412
Speaker 3: free to love and be loved is life's free ecstasy.

2001
01:37:03,572 --> 01:37:06,253
Speaker 3: Love that adults who still play like a child a

2002
01:37:06,372 --> 01:37:09,213
Speaker 3: rich and joy and free toys are the best toys.

2003
01:37:09,652 --> 01:37:10,293
Speaker 3: It's a good list.

2004
01:37:10,572 --> 01:37:11,732
Speaker 2: Free toys are the best toys.

2005
01:37:11,853 --> 01:37:13,612
Speaker 3: I don't actually know what that means, but free toys

2006
01:37:13,612 --> 01:37:15,812
Speaker 3: are the best toys, are they? Well, it depends on

2007
01:37:16,013 --> 01:37:17,372
Speaker 3: what about it.

2008
01:37:17,652 --> 01:37:21,333
Speaker 2: Mike McLaren. If one lego say it wasn't free, that's

2009
01:37:21,372 --> 01:37:22,892
Speaker 2: the best tool I've ever had. It cost me four

2010
01:37:22,973 --> 01:37:23,412
Speaker 2: hundred bucks.

2011
01:37:23,412 --> 01:37:25,532
Speaker 3: It looks good on the mountain piece, doesn't it. Oh

2012
01:37:25,612 --> 01:37:27,652
Speaker 3: eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

2013
01:37:27,692 --> 01:37:29,412
Speaker 3: We are taking your calls on what it means to

2014
01:37:29,492 --> 01:37:33,052
Speaker 3: be rich in twenty twenty five. Some more texts coming

2015
01:37:33,173 --> 01:37:35,812
Speaker 3: through on nine two ninety two, like this one The Finer.

2016
01:37:35,893 --> 01:37:41,013
Speaker 3: You define your habits, You definitely understand yourself love. You

2017
01:37:41,213 --> 01:37:44,572
Speaker 3: have to unlearn what you taught yourself. It is just stuff,

2018
01:37:44,732 --> 01:37:48,053
Speaker 3: My goodness, It's difficult and it's achievable. Having mentors is

2019
01:37:48,093 --> 01:37:52,492
Speaker 3: also key. Finding your keys is key from Bob right.

2020
01:37:52,692 --> 01:37:54,652
Speaker 3: So we're going to carry on with these texts. But

2021
01:37:54,732 --> 01:37:57,253
Speaker 3: oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

2022
01:37:57,293 --> 01:37:59,772
Speaker 3: And just a reminder, we are standing by for that

2023
01:38:00,013 --> 01:38:03,492
Speaker 3: police stand up that is due to start any time now.

2024
01:38:03,612 --> 01:38:05,053
Speaker 3: So really can to hear from you on o eight

2025
01:38:05,173 --> 01:38:09,093
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty ten eighty what I what.

2026
01:38:09,213 --> 01:38:11,732
Speaker 2: I think is very interesting about this whole thing. When

2027
01:38:11,772 --> 01:38:13,973
Speaker 2: we've been talking about wealth in New Zealand and the

2028
01:38:14,053 --> 01:38:16,692
Speaker 2: Telegraph put a figure of two hundred and thirteen thousand

2029
01:38:16,732 --> 01:38:20,772
Speaker 2: pounds to be a rich person. In the UK, no one,

2030
01:38:21,213 --> 01:38:24,452
Speaker 2: not a single call or texter, has tried to put

2031
01:38:24,652 --> 01:38:28,892
Speaker 2: a figure, which is how the conversation started. Yes, everyone's

2032
01:38:28,933 --> 01:38:31,932
Speaker 2: gone spiritual on immediately, and that's heartwarming and you love

2033
01:38:32,013 --> 01:38:34,652
Speaker 2: to see it. But no one's willing to put a figure.

2034
01:38:34,893 --> 01:38:38,253
Speaker 2: The Telegraph has said two hundred and thirteen thousand pounds

2035
01:38:38,372 --> 01:38:40,173
Speaker 2: a year makes you rich.

2036
01:38:40,532 --> 01:38:42,932
Speaker 3: It's a lot, yeah, and that is a lot. I mean,

2037
01:38:42,973 --> 01:38:45,372
Speaker 3: are we willing to put a wee figure on this now?

2038
01:38:46,893 --> 01:38:48,852
Speaker 3: I think I will, Okay, I will tell you what

2039
01:38:48,973 --> 01:38:52,133
Speaker 3: I think would be considered rich in terms of monetary value.

2040
01:38:52,532 --> 01:38:57,092
Speaker 3: If you are earning over one hundred and sixty thousand dollars,

2041
01:38:57,853 --> 01:38:59,333
Speaker 3: that in my eyes, would make you wealthy.

2042
01:39:00,293 --> 01:39:03,652
Speaker 27: Make you wealthy, yeah, one hundred and sixty that's a

2043
01:39:03,692 --> 01:39:06,253
Speaker 27: good wicket. One hundred and sixty, one hundred and sixty

2044
01:39:06,293 --> 01:39:08,253
Speaker 27: thousand dollars that would definitely make you wealthy. That would

2045
01:39:08,452 --> 01:39:10,852
Speaker 27: you in the top eight percent of New Zealand.

2046
01:39:11,093 --> 01:39:12,652
Speaker 2: You're a victim of low expectations and.

2047
01:39:12,692 --> 01:39:16,253
Speaker 3: Life certainly wouldn't be two hundred and thirteen thousand pounds,

2048
01:39:16,293 --> 01:39:18,173
Speaker 3: which equates to close to half a million.

2049
01:39:18,572 --> 01:39:21,093
Speaker 2: Richie Rich was one hundred and sixty thousand pounds living

2050
01:39:21,173 --> 01:39:24,213
Speaker 2: in a you know, one hundred and sixty thousand a year,

2051
01:39:24,732 --> 01:39:28,293
Speaker 2: rich having brought up a family who are giving, god

2052
01:39:28,412 --> 01:39:31,453
Speaker 2: loving and productive people. That is rich according to this TEXTA.

2053
01:39:31,652 --> 01:39:33,812
Speaker 3: Yeah, very good, All right, are we're taking a few

2054
01:39:33,893 --> 01:39:37,333
Speaker 3: more calls on this one, Gary? What does rich mean

2055
01:39:37,452 --> 01:39:39,093
Speaker 3: to you in twenty twenty five?

2056
01:39:41,973 --> 01:39:46,133
Speaker 17: Well, but anyway, coming back to what I was going

2057
01:39:46,213 --> 01:39:51,532
Speaker 17: to say, I sticked over a pudnel to the umpire bill, correct,

2058
01:39:52,213 --> 01:39:55,532
Speaker 17: and there was a twenty dollar night there, right, Well,

2059
01:39:56,133 --> 01:39:58,812
Speaker 17: I thought it was a twenty dollar note. Now there

2060
01:39:58,893 --> 01:40:01,093
Speaker 17: was a bit more than that. We're not luster to that.

2061
01:40:02,612 --> 01:40:03,213
Speaker 23: There was some.

2062
01:40:06,973 --> 01:40:08,092
Speaker 20: Four of them four two.

2063
01:40:08,133 --> 01:40:10,772
Speaker 17: Eight that's eighty dollars, you're right.

2064
01:40:12,253 --> 01:40:12,452
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2065
01:40:13,013 --> 01:40:15,852
Speaker 17: So the funny thing about it, though, is what the

2066
01:40:16,013 --> 01:40:19,412
Speaker 17: story I was trying to tell you. I was going

2067
01:40:19,492 --> 01:40:22,612
Speaker 17: to pay an eighty dollar bill, right, sir, went and

2068
01:40:22,933 --> 01:40:27,492
Speaker 17: paid an eighty dollar bill, and I gave them what

2069
01:40:27,652 --> 01:40:29,732
Speaker 17: dry ones, and I took the week one time and

2070
01:40:29,853 --> 01:40:30,452
Speaker 17: drive them out.

2071
01:40:31,253 --> 01:40:31,452
Speaker 23: Yeah.

2072
01:40:32,133 --> 01:40:34,692
Speaker 3: But that's almost calmer, though, wasn't it. Gary. You had

2073
01:40:34,692 --> 01:40:36,812
Speaker 3: an eighty dollar bill and then you found eighty bots.

2074
01:40:37,973 --> 01:40:41,172
Speaker 17: Yes, but when I looked at the puddle, I stepped

2075
01:40:41,213 --> 01:40:43,253
Speaker 17: over it because I've got to add my chapters have

2076
01:40:43,412 --> 01:40:47,213
Speaker 17: been raining and oh there's a twenty dollar note. So

2077
01:40:47,333 --> 01:40:50,053
Speaker 17: they must have been so tight together.

2078
01:40:49,973 --> 01:40:52,972
Speaker 2: Like yeah, you know, stuck together, stucky twenties.

2079
01:40:53,133 --> 01:40:57,012
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly right. It is twenty two to four.

2080
01:41:00,293 --> 01:41:04,253
Speaker 5: This is a news talk. They'd be developing story right.

2081
01:41:04,333 --> 01:41:08,053
Speaker 3: Police are speaking now about this morning's major operation and

2082
01:41:08,093 --> 01:41:10,852
Speaker 3: we're Wakato after the fatal shooting of Tom Phillips. We

2083
01:41:10,933 --> 01:41:13,933
Speaker 3: cross live now to Acting Deputy Commissioner Jie Rogers.

2084
01:41:14,053 --> 01:41:14,932
Speaker 12: Today as well.

2085
01:41:16,293 --> 01:41:20,093
Speaker 28: There really are a couple of updates that I want

2086
01:41:20,173 --> 01:41:23,452
Speaker 28: to provide this afternoon, but one of the main ones

2087
01:41:23,652 --> 01:41:26,572
Speaker 28: is I can confirm that we are still searching for

2088
01:41:26,772 --> 01:41:28,333
Speaker 28: the children of Tom Phillips.

2089
01:41:30,652 --> 01:41:32,092
Speaker 12: We have not located them.

2090
01:41:32,053 --> 01:41:36,132
Speaker 28: At this stage, and we remain as our primary focus

2091
01:41:36,772 --> 01:41:40,812
Speaker 28: to reunite those children and extract them as soon as

2092
01:41:40,893 --> 01:41:42,293
Speaker 28: possible from where they may be.

2093
01:41:43,372 --> 01:41:45,572
Speaker 12: Today I can.

2094
01:41:45,612 --> 01:41:52,133
Speaker 28: Update you on our injured officer. He's commenced the first

2095
01:41:52,333 --> 01:41:56,133
Speaker 28: of many surgeries. He's gone back in for further surgery

2096
01:41:56,612 --> 01:42:00,572
Speaker 28: this afternoon on the injuries to his eye, and he

2097
01:42:00,692 --> 01:42:05,173
Speaker 28: will remain in Wycattle Hospital for some time to come,

2098
01:42:05,412 --> 01:42:07,133
Speaker 28: having those injuries tended to.

2099
01:42:08,893 --> 01:42:09,892
Speaker 12: His family and.

2100
01:42:11,372 --> 01:42:15,333
Speaker 28: His nearest with him, and he's been well supported as

2101
01:42:15,452 --> 01:42:22,253
Speaker 28: is his family. I can confirm that the search the

2102
01:42:22,333 --> 01:42:26,013
Speaker 28: scene examination continues this afternoon further up the road from

2103
01:42:26,093 --> 01:42:30,173
Speaker 28: where we are today that may well result in road

2104
01:42:30,213 --> 01:42:33,293
Speaker 28: closures here this evening that go through the evening and

2105
01:42:33,452 --> 01:42:38,133
Speaker 28: into tomorrow while we extensively examine what has occurred so

2106
01:42:38,293 --> 01:42:41,293
Speaker 28: we can build an accurate timeline of how things have

2107
01:42:41,532 --> 01:42:48,692
Speaker 28: unfolded so tragically this morning. If there are questions that

2108
01:42:48,812 --> 01:42:51,132
Speaker 28: you would like to ask, Guy Ken.

2109
01:42:52,293 --> 01:42:57,452
Speaker 2: Children, Polisa previously said that they understood that tom Killis

2110
01:42:57,612 --> 01:42:58,412
Speaker 2: is receiving.

2111
01:42:58,133 --> 01:43:00,092
Speaker 5: Support from members of the local community.

2112
01:43:00,452 --> 01:43:02,772
Speaker 2: So what's your level of concern about the safety you

2113
01:43:03,452 --> 01:43:05,532
Speaker 2: would you say this probably with some of those other.

2114
01:43:05,532 --> 01:43:06,572
Speaker 3: Other supporters now.

2115
01:43:08,333 --> 01:43:12,572
Speaker 28: Always been concerned that there has potentially been support being

2116
01:43:12,652 --> 01:43:15,972
Speaker 28: offered to this family. With the events that have unfolded today,

2117
01:43:16,093 --> 01:43:19,692
Speaker 28: this must come to a conclusion now we have children

2118
01:43:19,812 --> 01:43:22,812
Speaker 28: that we believe are unaccompanied in the bush and it's

2119
01:43:22,853 --> 01:43:27,452
Speaker 28: our priority to locate them this evening. We have about

2120
01:43:27,492 --> 01:43:30,612
Speaker 28: three hours of daylight left. We know we have a

2121
01:43:30,732 --> 01:43:33,412
Speaker 28: number of resources in the area. You can hear our

2122
01:43:33,492 --> 01:43:38,053
Speaker 28: Eagle helicopter that's in the background here. We have specialist

2123
01:43:38,133 --> 01:43:41,772
Speaker 28: teams on the ground, We have AOS offices, Our Special

2124
01:43:41,893 --> 01:43:46,093
Speaker 28: Tactics team are deployed in here. We have P and

2125
01:43:46,173 --> 01:43:50,492
Speaker 28: T teams ready to undertake negotiations, and we have a

2126
01:43:50,612 --> 01:43:52,732
Speaker 28: number of those specialists that you would expect to be

2127
01:43:52,893 --> 01:43:56,693
Speaker 28: at a scene and an event of this magnitude examining

2128
01:43:56,772 --> 01:43:59,412
Speaker 28: the scene here today. All in all, there are probably

2129
01:43:59,492 --> 01:44:03,692
Speaker 28: about fifty staff deployed into this area, and then there

2130
01:44:03,732 --> 01:44:06,252
Speaker 28: are a number of staff working back at the Hamilton

2131
01:44:07,452 --> 01:44:11,092
Speaker 28: headquarters and in localities around the district.

2132
01:44:12,293 --> 01:44:14,572
Speaker 9: Danger if you've got the AOS squad out there at

2133
01:44:14,612 --> 01:44:15,172
Speaker 9: the moment.

2134
01:44:17,412 --> 01:44:22,092
Speaker 28: This morning's events indicate why we are deploying with AOS

2135
01:44:22,293 --> 01:44:23,812
Speaker 28: and our Special Tactics branch.

2136
01:44:24,253 --> 01:44:27,213
Speaker 6: Does that mean you believe the children are still er.

2137
01:44:28,492 --> 01:44:30,732
Speaker 28: We're not prepared to speculate, but we're not prepared to

2138
01:44:30,812 --> 01:44:33,692
Speaker 28: take any risk. This incident needs to be resolved.

2139
01:44:33,732 --> 01:44:37,333
Speaker 2: Now, you did say you've thought the children were unaccompanied,

2140
01:44:37,933 --> 01:44:39,173
Speaker 2: Is that what you mean?

2141
01:44:39,253 --> 01:44:40,652
Speaker 20: Or do you think there was someone else.

2142
01:44:40,652 --> 01:44:41,412
Speaker 12: Who has arms.

2143
01:44:43,173 --> 01:44:46,293
Speaker 28: We believe that the children at the moment maybe on

2144
01:44:46,412 --> 01:44:49,812
Speaker 28: their own. We can't speculate as to whether they have

2145
01:44:49,933 --> 01:44:51,773
Speaker 28: assistance with them at the moment.

2146
01:44:55,293 --> 01:44:58,812
Speaker 26: Where they were, and it's potentially that they had moved

2147
01:44:59,452 --> 01:45:01,492
Speaker 26: or did the other child not give an indication.

2148
01:45:01,652 --> 01:45:05,732
Speaker 28: These would all be speculative. We don't know where the

2149
01:45:05,893 --> 01:45:08,412
Speaker 28: children are at this time, but you think the.

2150
01:45:08,412 --> 01:45:12,253
Speaker 26: Other child earlier was cooperating, so cooperating.

2151
01:45:12,853 --> 01:45:16,732
Speaker 28: They've been cooperative with us and providing information, and that

2152
01:45:16,853 --> 01:45:20,133
Speaker 28: has allowed us to identify an area of activity that

2153
01:45:20,293 --> 01:45:23,692
Speaker 28: we will be examining through the afternoon and into the

2154
01:45:23,772 --> 01:45:26,812
Speaker 28: evening if required. As the remaining the child that's we

2155
01:45:26,933 --> 01:45:29,812
Speaker 28: found said anything about the current condition of the children

2156
01:45:29,893 --> 01:45:30,612
Speaker 28: that are still in the.

2157
01:45:30,612 --> 01:45:34,012
Speaker 12: Book, I don't have that level of detail. I'm sorry.

2158
01:45:34,412 --> 01:45:35,012
Speaker 3: We saw an.

2159
01:45:34,893 --> 01:45:37,772
Speaker 26: Ambulance coming through about five minutes ago that anything to

2160
01:45:37,893 --> 01:45:39,653
Speaker 26: do with this ongoing investigation.

2161
01:45:40,053 --> 01:45:40,973
Speaker 12: It will be part of it.

2162
01:45:41,452 --> 01:45:44,372
Speaker 28: When we deploy our special Tactics group, we always deploy

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01:45:44,492 --> 01:45:48,732
Speaker 28: ambulance alongside it, and obviously we've got very young children

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Speaker 28: out here.

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Speaker 12: You can see the terrain here. It's rough, it's rugged.

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Speaker 12: It will be down to.

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Speaker 28: Freezing point I would imagine this evening. Hence, we want

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Speaker 28: this incident resolved as soon as possible.

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Speaker 26: The children weren't in the ambulance or anything like that.

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Speaker 20: As far as you know, no where.

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Speaker 12: Is the I just can we have not located the children.

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Speaker 12: Where is the body of Tom Phillips now? It remains

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Speaker 12: in the scene, which is further to the west of

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Speaker 12: us here.

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Speaker 3: That is Acting Deputy Commissioner Jill Rodgers just given an update,

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Speaker 3: so to recap. They are still searching for those remaining

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Speaker 3: two children. It is police primary focus to find and

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Speaker 3: reunite those children. The injured police officer has gone undertaken

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Speaker 3: the first round of surgery and we'll go back into

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Speaker 3: further surgery this afternoon. His family are with him and

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Speaker 3: he has been well supported. According to that the police.

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Speaker 3: Police can confirm that the scene examination is continuing the

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Speaker 3: scene where they did fatally shoot Tom Phillips, and that

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Speaker 3: may result in ongoing road closures over the next couple

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Speaker 3: of days. Helicopters aos specialist police are on the ground.

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Speaker 3: They've also got negotiators. Their fifty staff are deployed in

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Speaker 3: the immediate area along with staff at the Police Hamilton

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Speaker 3: hq A. Police say they're not taking any risk in

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Speaker 3: terms of the remaining children potentially having access to firearms.

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Speaker 3: Hence the reason AOS negotiators are on the ground and

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Speaker 3: they believe those children are on their own. So just

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Speaker 3: confirming police is still searching for the remaining two children

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Speaker 3: after the fatal shooting of Tom Phillips. Here that will

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Speaker 3: bring you more on that story. After four o'clock sh'll

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Speaker 3: be crossing live to our reporter Jordan Done and following

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Speaker 3: up with some members of that community as well. It

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Speaker 3: is a quarter to four. You're listening to Matt and

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Speaker 3: Tyler back very shortly the.

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Speaker 1: Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything

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Speaker 1: in between.

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Speaker 5: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons us talks.

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Speaker 3: That'd be very good afternoon, ju It is thirteen to four,

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01:47:43,013 --> 01:47:44,652
Speaker 3: just before we go back to what it means to

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Speaker 3: be rich in twenty twenty five, there's been a few

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Speaker 3: techs come through as you can imagine about the situation

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Speaker 3: that unfolded in Marta Koppa and Pure Pure this morning

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Speaker 3: in regards to Tom phillips fatal shooting and the search

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Speaker 3: for the children.

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Speaker 2: This sex says, such a tragedy, the poor police officer

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Speaker 2: and his family, praying they find those kids soon, feeling

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Speaker 2: for the child who has lost his father and his presence.

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Speaker 2: This Texas says, those children need to be found and soon. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think I think that's that's clear.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I definitely do very good text.

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Speaker 2: And it's in times like this we should be valuing

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Speaker 2: our police officers and more important that the government should

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Speaker 2: value them and pay them and look after the better

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Speaker 2: thoughts are with the officer's family.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean as a police officer and family of

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Speaker 3: a police officer, it is their worst nightmare. But it

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Speaker 3: sounds like the police officer had a successful round of

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01:48:35,652 --> 01:48:38,733
Speaker 3: of surgery this morning and we'll go again this afternoon.

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Speaker 2: So his injury was to his eye, police officer's eye.

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Speaker 2: But and he's going to be in Wakata Hospital for

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Speaker 2: some time to come, yep.

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Speaker 3: And we're all hoping there's a good outcome in that situation.

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Speaker 3: Right back to the discussion we've been having about what

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Speaker 3: it means to be rich in twenty twenty five, and

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Speaker 3: a couple of texts have come through on this one.

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Speaker 2: Well, I tried to get people to put a monetary

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Speaker 2: value on it, and Tyler said one hundred and sixty thousand, this,

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01:49:02,652 --> 01:49:04,412
Speaker 2: Texas said, And then I pushed back and said one

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Speaker 2: hundred and sixty thousand to be rich, it's rich Tyler. Yeah,

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01:49:08,812 --> 01:49:14,612
Speaker 2: I thought low, you know, bar Low low ambission. And

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Speaker 2: this person agrees with me. Morning said b My wife

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Speaker 2: and I we earn one hundred and sixty k, yet

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Speaker 2: we are not rich. Take away the mortgage, childcarefee, student loan, repayments, rates, insurance,

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01:49:27,412 --> 01:49:30,093
Speaker 2: food tax, and we're lucky to be left with four

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Speaker 2: hundred dollars a week. So is that rich? That's hardly

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Speaker 2: Elon Musk is it?

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Speaker 3: Did I say one hundred and sixty thousand dollars? Yeah,

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01:49:36,133 --> 01:49:37,652
Speaker 3: what I meant was one hundred and sixty million.

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01:49:39,372 --> 01:49:41,452
Speaker 2: One hundred and sixty million is rich.

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01:49:41,572 --> 01:49:42,492
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's pretty good.

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Speaker 2: Until you've got one hundred and sixty million to start

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01:49:44,093 --> 01:49:45,852
Speaker 2: hanging out with a billionaire, and then yes, start feel

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01:49:45,893 --> 01:49:48,372
Speaker 2: bad about yourself. A lot of people are texting through

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Speaker 2: the three hundred thousand dollar figure, but so many more,

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01:49:52,213 --> 01:49:56,293
Speaker 2: and it's good to see a texting through the more

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Speaker 2: meaningful answer to the question rather than a monetary figure.

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Speaker 2: If you live happy, eat healthy, you can live to

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Speaker 2: one hundred years plus. Take your time and get there.

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01:50:04,772 --> 01:50:06,772
Speaker 2: You walk on water, just have to start.

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01:50:07,013 --> 01:50:09,293
Speaker 3: Oh that's lovely. I don't know what that means, but

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Speaker 3: it seems to.

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Speaker 2: Be more about longevity, yeah, than anything else.

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Speaker 3: It's a nice way to put though. You can walk

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01:50:16,772 --> 01:50:18,293
Speaker 3: on water, just takes a bit of time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, lovely. It's all relative. Iron over one hundred and

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Speaker 2: sixty k. But had to add our business debts to

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Speaker 2: the mortgage and went bust after COVID, so no work anymore.

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Speaker 2: So we have a big debt to pay and certainly

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Speaker 2: not rich yere there's a lot of people pushing back

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Speaker 2: on your one sixty mark. You want to talk about

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Speaker 2: rich versus wealthy.

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Speaker 23: Yeah, So thirty years ago it was one thousand dollars

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Speaker 23: a day, five grand a week, two hundred and fifty

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Speaker 23: grand a year. Fifteen years ago was two thousand dollars

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Speaker 23: a day, five hundred grand a year. Now it's three

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Speaker 23: thousand dollars a day, seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars

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Speaker 23: a year. That is enough money to do anything and

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Speaker 23: not think, which is what my definition of wealthy and

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Speaker 23: riches a bay, absolutely everything, And it doesn't mean it

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Speaker 23: doesn't impact your need to spend miscellaneously or lash out

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Speaker 23: big time on like a half million dollar supercar.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, you can do all that on seven hundred and

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Speaker 15: fifty grand.

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Speaker 23: I worked alongside Roderick Dean at Telecom in the early nineties.

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Speaker 23: He came and sat beside me one day, had me

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Speaker 23: explain a bunch of stuff to him. He was on

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Speaker 23: a million dollars a year a CEO of Telecom, twenty

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Speaker 23: thousand bucks a week back thirty years ago, and I

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Speaker 23: thought that was so and it was. It was so

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Speaker 23: much money back then. Now it's entry level CEO.

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Speaker 15: Entry level.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean now that I think about one

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Speaker 3: hundred and sixty dollars. Was lobill in it?

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Speaker 2: One hundred and sixty dollars?

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01:51:51,612 --> 01:51:53,932
Speaker 3: I mean one hundred and sixty thousand. I'm going lower

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01:51:53,973 --> 01:51:54,293
Speaker 3: and lower.

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01:51:54,293 --> 01:51:55,012
Speaker 2: What we are you talking about?

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Speaker 5: Rich?

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01:51:56,253 --> 01:51:58,933
Speaker 2: Rich is different than doing Okay.

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01:51:58,893 --> 01:52:01,372
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just thought that that seems comfortable one hundred

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01:52:01,372 --> 01:52:03,892
Speaker 3: and sixty thousand dollars per year, But clearly I'm wrong.

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Speaker 2: Rich is having your health and your children having their

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01:52:07,692 --> 01:52:10,412
Speaker 2: healths is this text, and there's Tyler putting one hundred

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Speaker 2: and sixty dollars on it like a heartless individual. Yeah,

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01:52:13,652 --> 01:52:17,972
Speaker 2: that is that you're three hundred k between us, partner

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Speaker 2: one twenty one. We are nowhere near rich all.

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Speaker 3: Right, got the message. It is eight minutes before the big.

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Speaker 1: Stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything in between.

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01:52:29,412 --> 01:52:32,452
Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks, it.

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01:52:32,572 --> 01:52:36,173
Speaker 3: B news talks. It be just a reminder. Heather is

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01:52:36,333 --> 01:52:37,852
Speaker 3: going to have the latest in the search for the

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01:52:37,933 --> 01:52:40,213
Speaker 3: matter Cooper children. She'll have Jordan done at the quarter

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01:52:40,213 --> 01:52:42,253
Speaker 3: and after four and the police Minister Mark Midchell after

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Speaker 3: five as well.

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Speaker 2: All right, what a show, Thanks so much for listening today.

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Speaker 2: And Tyler, that was our two hundredth show together. Oh yeah,

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01:52:51,053 --> 01:52:54,452
Speaker 2: world done mate, crazy how quickly that wents so love

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01:52:54,532 --> 01:52:57,372
Speaker 2: this job. You're a great anchor to the show and

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01:52:57,492 --> 01:53:00,053
Speaker 2: becoming a very good buddy Tyler. So thanks. I like

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01:53:00,213 --> 01:53:02,133
Speaker 2: having a good man for two hundred shows.

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01:53:02,213 --> 01:53:02,812
Speaker 3: Love you mate.

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01:53:03,013 --> 01:53:06,812
Speaker 2: But right now, Tyler, my friend, Oh what a tune?

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01:53:07,333 --> 01:53:09,972
Speaker 3: Why am I playing this all Love by the Faces?

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01:53:10,013 --> 01:53:11,692
Speaker 3: I don't easily know because I don't know the lyrics.

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01:53:11,772 --> 01:53:14,972
Speaker 2: I know I love the song, but well it's about

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01:53:15,093 --> 01:53:17,972
Speaker 2: how when you're young, you should remember to be happy

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01:53:18,013 --> 01:53:21,253
Speaker 2: because you've got time and you've got your health.

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01:53:21,452 --> 01:53:23,533
Speaker 3: What a great choice. Love it fans.

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01:53:24,093 --> 01:53:25,932
Speaker 2: That's when you're wealthy in your twenties, when you can

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01:53:25,973 --> 01:53:26,612
Speaker 2: do whatever you want.

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01:53:26,732 --> 01:53:28,932
Speaker 3: Yeah, great sentiment. Love it anyway.

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01:53:29,053 --> 01:53:31,253
Speaker 2: Wherever you are, what are you doing? Give them a

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01:53:31,293 --> 01:53:35,173
Speaker 2: taste of Kiwi Until we see you tomorrow, all right,

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01:53:36,532 --> 01:53:36,892
Speaker 2: love you.

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01:53:37,253 --> 01:53:37,532
Speaker 7: Love you?

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Speaker 2: What shoot?

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01:53:40,572 --> 01:53:41,133
Speaker 3: Great sho.

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Speaker 5: Mattie and Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 1: air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever

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