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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Simon Barnett and James Daniels Afternoons

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Speaker 1: podcast from Newstalks EDB.

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Speaker 2: News Talks EDB. Christian Cullen, nicknamed the Pi Kakadiki Express,

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Speaker 2: was considered to be one of the most potent running

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Speaker 2: fullbacks rugby has ever seen. Forty six tries scored fifty

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Speaker 2: eight tests. He's the ninth highest try score on international rugby.

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Speaker 2: Who's also a star of the New Zealand sevens team,

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Speaker 2: won a gold medal no Less at the nineteen ninety

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Speaker 2: eight Commonwealth Games in Kuala Lumpa. He's now taken on

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Speaker 2: the challenge of Celebrity Treasure Island, competing against fifteen other

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Speaker 2: well known kiwis to secure one hundred thousand dollars for

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Speaker 2: his chosen charity, Brain Tumor Support. It's on Mondays to

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Speaker 2: Wednesdays seven thirty PMTV and Z two and TV and

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Speaker 2: Z Plus. It's a real pleasure to welcome Christian Cullen

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Speaker 2: on for six in a song good a mate, good

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Speaker 2: a mate.

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Speaker 3: There you going guys?

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Speaker 2: Yeah great? So who wins? Yeah yeah, will give you

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Speaker 2: five bucks? No, really lovely to have you on it.

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Speaker 2: It's exciting for James and I to talk to you.

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Speaker 2: Can I just ask because it's a charity very dear

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Speaker 2: to my heart. Why brain tumor support?

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Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, that was one of the probably the

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Speaker 3: main reason that I went on. We lost my wife's brother,

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Speaker 3: my brother in law, probably about over a year and

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Speaker 3: a half ago now to a brain turmor so he

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Speaker 3: was sort of just knocking on forty years old, so

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Speaker 3: we young, living his best life and Aussie and come

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Speaker 3: back and yeah, so pretty sad. So that was one

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Speaker 3: of the main reasons. And yeah, I mean, jeez, if

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Speaker 3: you can win one hundred thousand or just awareness, that's

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Speaker 3: pretty much what it was all about for me.

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Speaker 2: Really, well, good on you. That's I mean that there's

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Speaker 2: just no cure and it's the most brutal, brutal disease.

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Speaker 2: It's incredibly demanding of caregivers. So honor you for that

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Speaker 2: great choice.

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Speaker 4: Hey, let's find the back or the clock back. Christian,

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Speaker 4: tell us about your early life. Where did you grow

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Speaker 4: up and how did you first get involved in rugby.

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Speaker 3: You're brought up in a place called park Cockriki, so

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Speaker 3: about twenty hour new transmission Gully. Yeah, so pretty small

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Speaker 3: community and I pretty much played Rouge because my brother

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Speaker 3: and sister, who are a couple of years older, were

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Speaker 3: playing it. So you always played sort of in a

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Speaker 3: grade or two above what I was. So yeah, there's

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Speaker 3: plenty of tears. Yeah, got not I say beaten up,

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Speaker 3: but just playing bigger kids. So there's plenty of magic water.

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Speaker 3: And you got thrown in the front row at a

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Speaker 2: Do you remember Groth? Do you remember getting your first

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Speaker 2: test jersey? Who gave it to you and what it

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Speaker 2: was like. Can you recall when you ran out for

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Speaker 2: the very first time as an all back?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely. I mean there was a napier against Sarma, so yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean that's always a special, special moment. I mean

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Speaker 3: mean when we're young, I mean, Jesus they all blacks

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Speaker 3: remember it must have been you know, I mean John

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Speaker 3: cool to get it the sort of night before the

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Speaker 3: But yeah, you sort of chuck on your bed and

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Speaker 3: you look at it and yeah, it's a pretty cool feeling.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, just finally to chuck it on and then

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Speaker 2: Crazy. Do you still have that jersey? The first one?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I do.

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Speaker 3: Always always sort of had a thing in the years

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Speaker 3: when guys come to swap swap jersey with here you go,

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Speaker 4: Lovely story enough, Hey, when you were playing for the Hurricanes,

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Speaker 4: and the bench press you could lift more than them.

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Speaker 2: Is that's true too?

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Speaker 3: Oh that's a good room array.

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Speaker 2: Did you start it? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Well, one of my good mates started that. Yeah, it

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Speaker 3: some of these other the prop forwards, mate, were sort

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Speaker 3: of one hundred and thirty hundred and twenty kids and

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Speaker 3: they were doing a lot more, but they had bigger

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Speaker 2: Out of proportion. Yeah, yeah, what was it? What was

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Speaker 2: your favorite All Black Test match ever that you recall

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Speaker 2: playing in? Oh?

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Speaker 3: Gee, probably I mean the one in two thousand over

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Speaker 3: night I remember that, and then Jonah scored. We we

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Speaker 3: that one's probably, yeah, obviously one that sticks out just

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Speaker 2: It's lovely, you know, you even mentioning the name of

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Speaker 2: Jonah because you've played with some of the greats. You

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Speaker 2: are one of the greats. But I would say the

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Speaker 2: have ever played the game, Jonah's international reputation was second

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Speaker 2: to none. He really sort of owned the game, really,

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Speaker 2: And what was he like when when he got the ball,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's better when he was on your side too.

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Speaker 3: We're very lucky with the Wellington boys. We only played

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Speaker 3: I only played Jonah once. That was, you know, that

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Speaker 3: So I was like, yeah, thank god for that. He

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Speaker 3: was special. And yeah, I mean, hey, I scored a

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Speaker 2: In astride, he grew into it today.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, generous. Everything about him was perfect.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, lovely.

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Speaker 4: Now you obviously Jonah's one of the, if not the

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Speaker 4: who was your favorite player to play with? It could

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean, look, I played a lot of

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Speaker 3: And I roomed with him a lot because he was

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Speaker 3: So I mean along there. You know, I went through

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Speaker 2: I want you to name one though, I just want

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Speaker 2: I love the name too. Is gorgeous? Hey, just one thing?

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Speaker 2: is it really hard when you're finished playing at that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I mean I still love I love

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Speaker 2: Lucky for me, I'm a which way, did pretty weepo go?

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Speaker 2: I stop?

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Speaker 3: The only place I put weight on is around my stomach.

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Speaker 3: That's my little bug bill. You know, you and I

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Speaker 3: I'll play a lot of golf.

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Speaker 2: Good on you, Good on you, mate. Hey, we're loving

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Speaker 2: chatting with your Christian. Thank you for your time. So

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Speaker 2: why did you decide to do Treasure Island Christian?

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Speaker 4: Uh?

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Speaker 3: I guess A big part of it was the charity element.

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Speaker 3: I mean, look, I'll tell you the truth. I've been

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Speaker 3: There is not something that I would think I would

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Speaker 3: have done. But the charity and brain tremor support that

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Speaker 2: Good on you, mate, and good luck. Hey.

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Speaker 4: Now the quick fire questions, what's one of the nicest

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Speaker 4: compliments you've ever received?

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Speaker 3: Oh? Well, people say that I'm reasonably, reasonably humble and

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Speaker 3: very loyal.

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Speaker 2: That's good trade. Now you've got to be honest with

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Speaker 2: us here, no fudging, no lying, otherwise it will be

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Speaker 2: a big bolt of lightning that strikes you down. Have

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Speaker 3: Gee, in my world? I mean look, we just want

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Speaker 3: I mate, that's I mean, you obviously you care what

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you're obviously proud of your family, But apart from them,

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Speaker 2: Oh you're in the think of it. Yeah, show them

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Speaker 3: I think my wife says, I internalize a lot. I

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Speaker 2: And yeah, okay, yeah, good on you for being honest.

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Speaker 4: Now, last question, if you could invite any one person

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you what. I'll watched a bit of a

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Speaker 2: And he's also that's a great Actually, I also want

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Speaker 3: good attitude. Denounce one was awesome as well.

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Speaker 2: good friendship going here, Christian with Kendrick spirit mate. We've

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Speaker 2: really loved chatting with you all the very best. Of course,

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Speaker 2: you know, we don't who's going to win us? Little

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Speaker 2: to have you on. We'll finish with your choice of song.

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Speaker 2: What have you chosen the why? Please? Mate?

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Speaker 3: Oh, we're going to Luke Holmb's fast Car. I love

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Speaker 3: a bit of country and he's an all black supporter

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Speaker 2: What a great choice we could be, mate, Christian, I'm

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Speaker 2: telling you we could be. Are you a nerd? Shut up, James, Christian,

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Speaker 2: thank you very much of your time. We're going to

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Speaker 2: play your song all the very best and thanks for

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Speaker 2: yeching perfect Christian Callen. This is his song at news Talk,

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Speaker 2: said B. Do you get a fast car?

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Speaker 4: I want to ticket to you anyway.

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Speaker 2: Maybe we make a deal.

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Speaker 4: Maybe together we can get.

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Speaker 2: Somewhere and it please is better start from zoo. Got

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Speaker 2: nothing to lose.

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Speaker 1: Maybe we will make something me myself, I got.

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Speaker 3: Nothing to prove

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