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Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty and then

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Speaker 1: you can trust locally and globally.

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Speaker 2: Huddling tonight. Trish Huson Shuson Willis pr Good evening, Trish, Hi, Ryan,

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Speaker 2: Gareth hughs is with us two, director of the Wellington

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Speaker 2: Sorry well Being Economy Alliance ALTEDO and former Green MP.

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Speaker 2: Good to have you on the show too, Gareth. Good evening.

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Speaker 2: How are you.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I'm very good, Thank you very good.

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Speaker 2: Nice to have you here. Hey, Just a horrible situation

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Speaker 2: for us to wake up to the news or go

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Speaker 2: bed to bed last night to the news. Trish, what

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Speaker 2: do you think when you look at what's happening in

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Speaker 2: Sydney right now?

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Speaker 4: Well, just on a human level, I simply can't understand

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Speaker 4: how you get to a state in your head where

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Speaker 4: you think it's going to do anything or change anything,

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Speaker 4: or is any way you know, the way to go

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Speaker 4: to go out and just slaughter innocent people.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's just at the beach.

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Speaker 4: It's just horrible, isn't it. And I think the most

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Speaker 4: awful thing about what's happened at Bondi is as usual,

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Speaker 4: these individuals have chosen a really high profile target and

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Speaker 4: an event because their whole aim is to try and

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Speaker 4: send a message. And you know it might seem a

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Speaker 4: little bit kind of wofty and zen, I guess, but

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Speaker 4: I always think when in situations like this, it's it's

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Speaker 4: a great example of hatred begets hatred and you know,

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Speaker 4: nothing good ever comes.

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Speaker 2: From it doesn't. And I mean already in Australia they're

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Speaker 2: talking about migration and they're talking about have we got

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Speaker 2: the settings right? All that kind of stuff, Gareth, But

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Speaker 2: just the thing that gets you is the evil, how

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Speaker 2: evil it is, how dark it feels when somebody can

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Speaker 2: do that to another person.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I agree the trish. I can't fathom the thought

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Speaker 3: process that would lead to that. Absolutely horrible. And it's

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Speaker 3: that extremeist hate which is driving not only this but

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Speaker 3: some other shocking events that we've been victims of with

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Speaker 3: the mosque shooting in the past. And I know the

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Speaker 3: police commissioner has to say that around you not urging

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Speaker 3: people to be heroes, but I salute Armed al Ahmed,

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Speaker 3: Like watching that footage was just incredible. I understand he's

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Speaker 3: a dad of to himself, is a dad of to

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Speaker 3: who myself. I can't believe you'd put yourself in touch

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Speaker 3: harm's way. But what an incredibly brave man.

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Speaker 2: Now I have to ask you this Gareth as a

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Speaker 2: former Green MP Chloe Swarbrook has been singled out individually

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Speaker 2: today by Debra Hart on this program, who's from the

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Speaker 2: Holocaust Center. Her rhetoric from the River to the Sea,

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Speaker 2: chanting at rallies. She says that is exactly the type

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Speaker 2: of rhetoric which encourages bad stuff like this happening. Do

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Speaker 2: you distance yourself from that?

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Speaker 3: Well, I wouldn't use those particular words, and I think

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Speaker 3: it's also very tasteless and I think pretty disgusting the

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Speaker 3: comments of Benjamin Etana who blaming effectively Australia for their

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Speaker 3: active Palestinian state recognition. Eighty percent of countries around the

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Speaker 3: world have done that. The UN has done that since

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Speaker 3: a resolution in the nineteen seventies. What we need to

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Speaker 3: do is separate anti Semitism and other forms of discrimination

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Speaker 3: which have no place in our society. That drives hateful violence.

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Speaker 3: But the policy choices of a state which is signed

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Speaker 3: up to international law are two separate things. It's okay

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Speaker 3: to criticize Israel. Anti Semitism is never okay and I.

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Speaker 4: Think that's one of the worrying things we've seen how

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Speaker 4: quickly the conversation around this moves onto a political footing,

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Speaker 4: which is completely wrong. These are two separate things. This

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Speaker 4: what's going on in the Middle East, it is not

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Speaker 4: okay to go and do what happened at BONDOI.

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Speaker 2: Beats Trishuson and Garethu's on you huddle tonight bo The

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Speaker 1: New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the only truly global.

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Speaker 2: Brand talks be is thirteen minutes away from six. Trish

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Speaker 2: Sharson from Sherson, Willis pr and Garethew's former Green MP

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Speaker 2: with us tonight. Now the Motor Trade Association is warning

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Speaker 2: that we shouldn't extend the wafts from one years to

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Speaker 2: two years one year to two years because we will

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Speaker 2: and causing issues. Gareth, do you have a problem? I

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Speaker 2: mean to me, I'm like, sweet, I'll save fifty bucks.

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Speaker 2: It's about as much as I thought about it. What

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 3: I mean that does sound nice, but I also know

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Speaker 3: point of a waft. After all, it's about safety. We

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Speaker 3: drive some of the oldest cars in the developed world.

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Speaker 3: Our average older car is fifteen years old. I actually

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Speaker 3: kind of like going to the testing center. They tell

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Speaker 3: really do that. But I think, you know, basically we

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Speaker 3: I see the AA saying that maybe it really should

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Speaker 3: just the age, which could be seen as a bit

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Speaker 3: arbitrary for me. At the heart of it, we should

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Speaker 3: be making these decisions based on safety, not just cost

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Speaker 3: and productivity. I understand the forecasters that if we make

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Speaker 3: this change, we could see eight additional fatal car crashes

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Speaker 3: as the estimate. You know, this is a question about

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Speaker 3: what we value and that comes at huge cost, more

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Speaker 3: so than me saving fifty bucks.

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Speaker 4: I think all great points from Garreth, except I am

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Speaker 4: a fan of moving it out to two years. I

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Speaker 4: think probably the people who go and get a WAFT

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Speaker 4: but they are also the people who probably book their

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Speaker 4: cars in for at least an annual service, if not

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Speaker 4: a couple of services. I think there's a huge rump

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Speaker 4: of people who are driving unregistered, unwarranted cars who this

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Speaker 4: going to have their car serviced anyway. So I think

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Speaker 4: that's a mitigation.

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Speaker 2: Against the organized people.

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Speaker 4: The organized people and probably the people who you know,

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Speaker 4: want to keep their car in good running order, because

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Speaker 4: ultimately that's going to save the money over time.

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Speaker 2: Very well true that hey, James Cameron wants some more

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Speaker 2: money out of us, Gareth, do you ever because thinks

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Speaker 2: they do create jobs, and the jobs are not just

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Speaker 2: any old jobs. They're normally quite well paid jobs, and

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Speaker 2: they give us free publicity by making amazing movies. So

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Speaker 2: if he says jump, do we say how high?

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Speaker 3: Well, it's a really tricky one and I think it's

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Speaker 3: a genuine policy dilemma. On one hand, we're in an

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Speaker 3: lowering that in offering tax rebates and lowering things to

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Speaker 3: the other hand, right, these are high value exports. I

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Speaker 3: live in Wellington, you know there's I think five hundred

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Speaker 3: weightless creative products like films or games than dirty, old,

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Speaker 3: You actually pick some sectors that you really want to

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Speaker 3: foster and develop. I would be perfectly happy with video games, movies,

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Speaker 3: but we need to do a better job of communicating

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Speaker 3: the actual benefits. That's not clear. So I think there's

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Speaker 3: a lot of skepticism when Cameron, you know, of course,

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Speaker 3: we need more money. If we're going to do that,

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Speaker 3: there's another side of the deal. It's got to have

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it does. It does. I'm with you. I

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Speaker 2: actually think you should up it until we can beat

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Speaker 4: Well, I think it's a great area for New Zealand

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Speaker 4: to focus on, because don't forget now with Lord of

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Speaker 4: the Rings, we've got almost thirty years of capability at

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Speaker 4: the very highest end of global movie making. I was

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Speaker 4: was just incredible for those young guys to get a

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Speaker 4: Zealand film industry. I think from the government perspective, the

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Speaker 4: making this a focus. This is what we know about

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Speaker 4: its returns to everyone. These are the jobs created. So

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Speaker 4: I think they need to put the two They need

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Speaker 4: and then they need to put the pieces of the

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Speaker 2: Ironically, they can't sell the movie story, which is you know,

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Speaker 2: the industry's filled with people who are selling things. But

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Speaker 2: I think you're right and the South Koreans are a

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Speaker 2: great example of this. You know, the demon pop Gareth

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Speaker 2: Hunters whatever it's called, the show that the it on Netflix.

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Speaker 2: Everyone's watching And they did a survey of tourists coming

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Speaker 2: tourism numbers. What are you coming for? Other kids wanted

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Speaker 2: I think I think you're right. We need to sell

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Speaker 2: the story better. Trish, Thank you, Trish hus and Shuston

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