1 00:00:09,093 --> 00:00:11,973 Speaker 1: You're listening to a podcast from News Talk sat B. 2 00:00:12,373 --> 00:00:15,173 Speaker 1: Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on 3 00:00:15,333 --> 00:00:21,093 Speaker 1: iHeart Radio. 4 00:00:21,293 --> 00:00:21,973 Speaker 2: Take another. 5 00:00:23,813 --> 00:00:30,813 Speaker 3: Trick. It is out, The test is over. Smokes a beauty. 6 00:00:30,853 --> 00:00:32,973 Speaker 3: It is out here you guys. 7 00:00:33,013 --> 00:00:35,053 Speaker 4: This delivery has a user to go. 8 00:00:37,693 --> 00:00:41,093 Speaker 1: On the front foot with Brian Waddell and Jeremy Cody, 9 00:00:41,413 --> 00:00:45,293 Speaker 1: powered by News Talks head B at iHeart Radio. 10 00:00:49,453 --> 00:00:52,693 Speaker 3: Hello again, We're back on the front foot this week. 11 00:00:52,853 --> 00:00:57,373 Speaker 3: Challenges and controversy and sadly fairwells mark the current cricket 12 00:00:57,373 --> 00:01:01,413 Speaker 3: world news, the controversy and abrasive tea twenty between India 13 00:01:01,413 --> 00:01:05,973 Speaker 3: and Pakistan. Should we expect anything else? Well, yes we should. 14 00:01:06,293 --> 00:01:10,173 Speaker 3: The farewells to cricket identities pass on and England named 15 00:01:10,173 --> 00:01:13,013 Speaker 3: their ashes squad the Black Caps and the White French. Prepare 16 00:01:13,093 --> 00:01:17,253 Speaker 3: for demanding challenges coming up ahead. Wow, you've had a 17 00:01:17,293 --> 00:01:21,213 Speaker 3: weekend of sport through the last few days. Jeremy Coney 18 00:01:21,213 --> 00:01:25,613 Speaker 3: to the All Blacks women's team. The netballer squeaked home 19 00:01:25,653 --> 00:01:30,773 Speaker 3: by one that sport of all sports, golf, the Ryder Cup. Boy, 20 00:01:31,213 --> 00:01:33,213 Speaker 3: didn't they provide some close finishes for us. 21 00:01:34,173 --> 00:01:38,773 Speaker 5: I'm exhausted, once exhausted from those things. I need to 22 00:01:38,773 --> 00:01:40,373 Speaker 5: go and have a good light down. Sorry I was 23 00:01:40,453 --> 00:01:41,093 Speaker 5: late starting. 24 00:01:41,773 --> 00:01:44,133 Speaker 6: No, never mind, we always make up for it in 25 00:01:44,133 --> 00:01:44,453 Speaker 6: the end. 26 00:01:44,853 --> 00:01:46,573 Speaker 3: Most you would have watched all that stuff when you're 27 00:01:46,653 --> 00:01:48,133 Speaker 3: or have you been busy doing other things? 28 00:01:49,813 --> 00:01:54,573 Speaker 2: No, no, no, I very much took a considerable interest 29 00:01:54,613 --> 00:02:00,493 Speaker 2: and delight at Europe winning the Ryder Cup. Not sure 30 00:02:00,573 --> 00:02:05,813 Speaker 2: I'm that keen on on how the crowd seem to 31 00:02:05,853 --> 00:02:08,973 Speaker 2: be responding, and it's a bit unfortunate. We don't mind 32 00:02:09,013 --> 00:02:15,013 Speaker 2: a better hackling and enthusiasm, but it's it's went a 33 00:02:15,093 --> 00:02:15,413 Speaker 2: bit far. 34 00:02:15,533 --> 00:02:19,773 Speaker 3: I think, yeah, it does, and that's the contest. And 35 00:02:19,773 --> 00:02:23,133 Speaker 3: I suppose that's a public opinion or the way the public. 36 00:02:22,893 --> 00:02:23,773 Speaker 4: React these days. 37 00:02:24,173 --> 00:02:26,933 Speaker 3: But certainly it's a better sporting spectacle on what has 38 00:02:27,013 --> 00:02:30,493 Speaker 3: been seen in the Asia Cup cricket, and I'm afraid 39 00:02:30,613 --> 00:02:34,813 Speaker 3: India and Pakistan doing disservice to the game of cricket. Yes, 40 00:02:34,853 --> 00:02:37,893 Speaker 3: Harris Rolf across the line with his political gesture, but 41 00:02:37,933 --> 00:02:39,613 Speaker 3: he wasn't the only one. There were quite a few 42 00:02:39,653 --> 00:02:41,373 Speaker 3: of them across the line. 43 00:02:41,173 --> 00:02:41,933 Speaker 4: In that series. 44 00:02:42,213 --> 00:02:44,693 Speaker 3: But I think the worst feature from my point of view, 45 00:02:44,893 --> 00:02:49,933 Speaker 3: whatever you believe about the political aspects, is neither side 46 00:02:50,373 --> 00:02:55,293 Speaker 3: shook hands at the end twice, and to me, that 47 00:02:55,533 --> 00:02:59,853 Speaker 3: is the tradition of the game. That is part of 48 00:02:59,893 --> 00:03:05,573 Speaker 3: the sportsmanship of the game. And whatever you do in cricket, 49 00:03:06,093 --> 00:03:08,293 Speaker 3: you've got to respect your opponents and you've got to 50 00:03:08,453 --> 00:03:13,293 Speaker 3: respect the traditions of the game. You disrespect that and 51 00:03:14,333 --> 00:03:17,493 Speaker 3: that comes at a cost. I don't know how you feel, Jerry, 52 00:03:17,533 --> 00:03:21,173 Speaker 3: but to me it was totally disrespectful. You know, you 53 00:03:21,253 --> 00:03:24,413 Speaker 3: might not like your opposition, but you always respect them. 54 00:03:25,053 --> 00:03:28,893 Speaker 5: Yeah, I can't disagree with that. Only takes about one 55 00:03:28,933 --> 00:03:32,453 Speaker 5: and a half seconds, doesn't it. But it says a 56 00:03:32,493 --> 00:03:39,013 Speaker 5: lot and as soon as it's not done, you notice it. Look, 57 00:03:39,173 --> 00:03:43,093 Speaker 5: they used to say sport built bridges, didn't they. It 58 00:03:43,133 --> 00:03:47,533 Speaker 5: doesn't seem to be the case in some instances anymore. 59 00:03:48,213 --> 00:03:50,573 Speaker 5: I would have thought, if you want to make openly 60 00:03:50,733 --> 00:03:56,013 Speaker 5: political stances, which is what you're talking about, I think 61 00:03:56,053 --> 00:03:57,493 Speaker 5: you make yourself unavailable. 62 00:03:58,053 --> 00:03:58,733 Speaker 7: I really do. 63 00:03:58,813 --> 00:04:01,773 Speaker 5: I think if you want to use that as a 64 00:04:01,853 --> 00:04:06,373 Speaker 5: platform to do that, then I'm afraid doesn't have a place, 65 00:04:06,933 --> 00:04:11,173 Speaker 5: and so do the good thing, and that's that's not 66 00:04:11,333 --> 00:04:13,253 Speaker 5: I can't play against these guys. 67 00:04:13,333 --> 00:04:17,653 Speaker 2: In terms of how it should be. I completely agree 68 00:04:17,693 --> 00:04:24,293 Speaker 2: with you. However, what we have here is an intractable situation. 69 00:04:25,093 --> 00:04:29,093 Speaker 2: Let's be quite clear. India and Pakistan have been at 70 00:04:29,133 --> 00:04:32,213 Speaker 2: war since the effectively since the partition in the late 71 00:04:32,453 --> 00:04:36,893 Speaker 2: late nineteen forties, and that doesn't seem to be going 72 00:04:36,933 --> 00:04:42,013 Speaker 2: away anytime soon. And sadly that's affected the relationships. Are 73 00:04:42,053 --> 00:04:45,053 Speaker 2: two great cracketing nations and they can't get on and 74 00:04:46,253 --> 00:04:49,413 Speaker 2: the sport is the worser for it. But I don't 75 00:04:49,453 --> 00:04:51,773 Speaker 2: see anything changing anytime soon. 76 00:04:52,453 --> 00:04:54,413 Speaker 4: No, that seems to be the way it's going to be. 77 00:04:54,533 --> 00:04:59,293 Speaker 3: But here's hoping that some court kind of sportsmanship will 78 00:04:59,333 --> 00:05:03,053 Speaker 3: still exist between players and the kind of friendship you 79 00:05:03,093 --> 00:05:05,733 Speaker 3: see on the golf course at the end of a competition. 80 00:05:05,853 --> 00:05:08,853 Speaker 3: They've fought hammer and nail at that Ryder Cup, but 81 00:05:09,253 --> 00:05:11,533 Speaker 3: they were all able to shake hands and the winners 82 00:05:11,613 --> 00:05:14,813 Speaker 3: ragodas the losers, well, they're still in the background. The 83 00:05:14,853 --> 00:05:19,213 Speaker 3: headlines out of the UK say England have gathered their 84 00:05:19,213 --> 00:05:24,453 Speaker 3: most hostile Ashes bowling attack since nineteen seventy when they 85 00:05:24,493 --> 00:05:26,733 Speaker 3: played seven Tests in the Ashes. If you remember back 86 00:05:26,773 --> 00:05:30,973 Speaker 3: to seventy seven seventy seventy one, England won two of them. 87 00:05:31,333 --> 00:05:33,613 Speaker 6: Well look what they've got now Wood. 88 00:05:33,493 --> 00:05:38,253 Speaker 3: Archer, Tungue, Atkinson, casts Pots Stokes as their bowling lineup. 89 00:05:38,613 --> 00:05:46,453 Speaker 3: Back in seventy seventy one they had snow Willis, Lever Shuttleworth. Interesting, Jerry, 90 00:05:46,693 --> 00:05:49,973 Speaker 3: is that more potent? Is that more hostile than the 91 00:05:49,973 --> 00:05:53,893 Speaker 3: seventy seventy one attack that they had overall? 92 00:05:53,933 --> 00:05:59,813 Speaker 7: Perhaps? Yes, Look it's it as predicted side. 93 00:05:59,853 --> 00:06:03,173 Speaker 5: I think they've adhered to their beliefs and the philosophy 94 00:06:03,213 --> 00:06:06,693 Speaker 5: from the selectors. They weren't going to abandon that day. 95 00:06:07,333 --> 00:06:11,373 Speaker 5: They've picked bowls who bowl at eighty five plus. Apart 96 00:06:11,453 --> 00:06:14,653 Speaker 5: from Potts, perhaps you might say he's a more kind 97 00:06:14,693 --> 00:06:18,813 Speaker 5: of traditional seema from England. They've got positive, aggressive batting 98 00:06:19,453 --> 00:06:23,373 Speaker 5: and they've got tall release spinners who may get bounce 99 00:06:23,413 --> 00:06:26,613 Speaker 5: In Australia, I suppose the features you've mentioned one of 100 00:06:26,653 --> 00:06:27,573 Speaker 5: them the bowlers. 101 00:06:27,973 --> 00:06:29,933 Speaker 7: The batting is pretty settled. 102 00:06:30,653 --> 00:06:34,693 Speaker 5: There is an issue about Hope or Bethel perhaps, and 103 00:06:35,693 --> 00:06:38,813 Speaker 5: Brook the new vice captain instead of Pope is another 104 00:06:38,893 --> 00:06:43,373 Speaker 5: little slight issue maybe. And the second spinner, Will Jacks, 105 00:06:43,853 --> 00:06:46,773 Speaker 5: is a bit of a surprise and he returns a 106 00:06:46,813 --> 00:06:50,013 Speaker 5: couple of years after a Test in Pakistan. 107 00:06:50,533 --> 00:06:51,933 Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll have a look and see how it's going 108 00:06:51,973 --> 00:06:54,613 Speaker 3: to impact on the Australians when we move a little 109 00:06:54,613 --> 00:06:58,773 Speaker 3: bit further through on the front foot suggestion that Bethel 110 00:06:58,773 --> 00:07:04,293 Speaker 3: should come in over Pope at three most I'm not 111 00:07:05,093 --> 00:07:09,453 Speaker 3: convinced yet that he is the so but they seem 112 00:07:09,493 --> 00:07:13,213 Speaker 3: to rate him. He's he's got golden balls. 113 00:07:12,893 --> 00:07:18,013 Speaker 2: Isn't he Well, he's talent. But I look at the 114 00:07:18,093 --> 00:07:22,853 Speaker 2: side and this has been developed and prepared now over 115 00:07:23,653 --> 00:07:28,093 Speaker 2: My observation is eighteen to twenty four months as they've 116 00:07:28,933 --> 00:07:35,733 Speaker 2: bought players in from your Atkinson's cars and others, Josh 117 00:07:35,813 --> 00:07:40,453 Speaker 2: Tungue and then you already had Wood and they needed 118 00:07:40,453 --> 00:07:42,493 Speaker 2: to have They need to have a big court, a 119 00:07:42,493 --> 00:07:44,773 Speaker 2: big group of these balls because a few of them 120 00:07:44,813 --> 00:07:49,453 Speaker 2: have been rather injury prone Wood, Archer and co. But 121 00:07:50,093 --> 00:07:53,853 Speaker 2: this looks like a very very very good side because 122 00:07:53,893 --> 00:07:57,893 Speaker 2: you do need pace, You needed to hit the bat hard, 123 00:07:58,533 --> 00:08:02,613 Speaker 2: and that's what they're bringing here against what will be 124 00:08:02,693 --> 00:08:08,133 Speaker 2: an aging Australian attack. So I think it's not an 125 00:08:08,133 --> 00:08:11,053 Speaker 2: act in what we see here, and I and I 126 00:08:11,133 --> 00:08:15,973 Speaker 2: applaud McCallum and Stokes and Key and co. Who have 127 00:08:16,653 --> 00:08:19,893 Speaker 2: who have actively worked to sort of develop our team 128 00:08:19,933 --> 00:08:21,693 Speaker 2: which is going to give them the best chance to 129 00:08:21,733 --> 00:08:25,173 Speaker 2: win the Ashes, and by gee, it's going to be interesting, 130 00:08:25,253 --> 00:08:28,453 Speaker 2: isn't it. I think I can't wait, Jerry. 131 00:08:28,173 --> 00:08:31,773 Speaker 3: Why will Jacks over any of the other spinners. I 132 00:08:31,773 --> 00:08:34,773 Speaker 3: guess route will spin as well. They're always quite clearly 133 00:08:34,853 --> 00:08:35,893 Speaker 3: going to take my shire. 134 00:08:36,373 --> 00:08:38,533 Speaker 4: That will Jacks. 135 00:08:38,093 --> 00:08:40,413 Speaker 3: Sort of comes out from the back of the bike sheds, 136 00:08:40,453 --> 00:08:42,413 Speaker 3: doesn't he? 137 00:08:42,493 --> 00:08:43,453 Speaker 7: Yeah, he does a bit. 138 00:08:45,373 --> 00:08:50,933 Speaker 5: It says basically England spinning stocks are very high, especially 139 00:08:50,973 --> 00:08:57,013 Speaker 5: for Australian conditions. It says that the selectors I think 140 00:08:57,093 --> 00:09:04,053 Speaker 5: don't feel a second spinner is really needed. They're saying, basically, 141 00:09:04,413 --> 00:09:09,253 Speaker 5: spin will not win games in Australia. Yes, maybe they're 142 00:09:09,293 --> 00:09:12,493 Speaker 5: also saying we tried Bethel because they did try him 143 00:09:12,493 --> 00:09:16,053 Speaker 5: out against India during that five Test series there, but 144 00:09:16,093 --> 00:09:19,773 Speaker 5: we don't think he can do the job. So it 145 00:09:19,893 --> 00:09:22,973 Speaker 5: looks as if for me that they've gone for what 146 00:09:23,093 --> 00:09:27,973 Speaker 5: happens if, in other words, a contingency. So if Stokes 147 00:09:28,093 --> 00:09:31,373 Speaker 5: is injured and he couldn't get through five Tests against 148 00:09:31,373 --> 00:09:36,293 Speaker 5: India and there's no obvious like for like a place 149 00:09:36,653 --> 00:09:40,093 Speaker 5: replacement for him, you know, a Seema who can bat 150 00:09:41,253 --> 00:09:44,133 Speaker 5: so then the other one, of course is if Basher 151 00:09:44,613 --> 00:09:47,733 Speaker 5: gets injured. Jacks has been in the side twenty two. 152 00:09:47,893 --> 00:09:49,733 Speaker 5: Late twenty two he got a six for if you 153 00:09:49,853 --> 00:09:55,213 Speaker 5: member in Pakistan. But more importantly he's a top six batsman. 154 00:09:55,373 --> 00:09:55,493 Speaker 7: Now. 155 00:09:55,533 --> 00:09:57,133 Speaker 5: It seems a bit odd to be saying that when 156 00:09:57,173 --> 00:10:00,653 Speaker 5: you're picking a spinner. Rayan Armored had some runs and 157 00:10:00,693 --> 00:10:03,053 Speaker 5: he got a few wickets this season, but he's in 158 00:10:03,093 --> 00:10:05,613 Speaker 5: the second division and how will he go as a 159 00:10:05,693 --> 00:10:06,533 Speaker 5: lone spinner. 160 00:10:06,533 --> 00:10:09,013 Speaker 7: They're unlikely to play two in them, aren't they. 161 00:10:09,413 --> 00:10:12,173 Speaker 5: But can he bat with that extra pace and bounce 162 00:10:12,213 --> 00:10:13,613 Speaker 5: you're going to get from Australia. 163 00:10:14,133 --> 00:10:18,293 Speaker 7: They don't know that. Liam Dawson left arm orthodox do. 164 00:10:18,293 --> 00:10:21,933 Speaker 5: The holding job maybe, but he doesn't bat as well 165 00:10:22,373 --> 00:10:27,213 Speaker 5: as Jax does. Jacks hasn't played much red ball cricket. 166 00:10:27,573 --> 00:10:30,053 Speaker 5: I think he's played four or five games in two seasons. 167 00:10:30,093 --> 00:10:32,813 Speaker 5: He's more of a white ball player potentially, but he 168 00:10:32,933 --> 00:10:35,413 Speaker 5: might bat at number eight. That's a hell of a 169 00:10:35,533 --> 00:10:39,533 Speaker 5: batting lineup if he does that. The argument for Jacks 170 00:10:39,653 --> 00:10:43,613 Speaker 5: comes in when you look how overseas spinners get on 171 00:10:43,693 --> 00:10:48,693 Speaker 5: in Australia. Overseas spin over the last decade have taken 172 00:10:48,813 --> 00:10:53,813 Speaker 5: one hundred and thirty five wickets at sixty two runs 173 00:10:53,853 --> 00:10:54,453 Speaker 5: a wicket. 174 00:10:54,973 --> 00:10:55,813 Speaker 7: That's not great. 175 00:10:56,253 --> 00:11:01,013 Speaker 5: Nathan Lyon alone, over the same time period has got 176 00:11:01,053 --> 00:11:05,773 Speaker 5: one hundred and ninety wickets at thirty, so nearly fifty 177 00:11:05,853 --> 00:11:11,453 Speaker 5: percent more wickets and half the runs. If you play 178 00:11:11,493 --> 00:11:15,413 Speaker 5: in Australia, though, you've got to have a spinner. Why 179 00:11:16,173 --> 00:11:18,813 Speaker 5: it's not a very comfortable place to play, and not 180 00:11:18,893 --> 00:11:22,133 Speaker 5: as comfortable as England. You don't get the intense heat 181 00:11:22,293 --> 00:11:25,813 Speaker 5: in England, you don't get the hard surfaces, and you 182 00:11:25,893 --> 00:11:29,533 Speaker 5: don't get the pictures with grass. You need to have 183 00:11:29,653 --> 00:11:32,893 Speaker 5: someone in the eighty overs to hold up an end 184 00:11:33,653 --> 00:11:35,933 Speaker 5: at some point and give the quicks a bit of 185 00:11:35,973 --> 00:11:39,133 Speaker 5: a break from bowling with the old cooker butter ball. 186 00:11:39,173 --> 00:11:43,613 Speaker 5: Otherwise you finish your quicks off. They're gone. So someone 187 00:11:43,653 --> 00:11:45,493 Speaker 5: else needs to do a bit of a job. And 188 00:11:45,573 --> 00:11:49,933 Speaker 5: but sheher has been the man charged with that. He 189 00:11:50,093 --> 00:11:53,333 Speaker 5: might take the odd wicket in Australia. He's bowled lots 190 00:11:53,373 --> 00:11:56,973 Speaker 5: of overs and he's an important piece of that puzzle. 191 00:11:57,613 --> 00:12:02,533 Speaker 7: For bas Ball does turn it, but doesn't have the 192 00:12:02,653 --> 00:12:05,093 Speaker 7: accuracy to be top class. 193 00:12:06,573 --> 00:12:11,093 Speaker 5: So Stokes control the fields for him, deeper set fields 194 00:12:11,093 --> 00:12:13,173 Speaker 5: and that makes it hard for Bshar to go under 195 00:12:13,213 --> 00:12:14,493 Speaker 5: four and over. 196 00:12:15,653 --> 00:12:18,293 Speaker 7: Now, if Basher is injured, Jack's. 197 00:12:19,333 --> 00:12:22,053 Speaker 5: Or someone from the line squad, they don't forget. They've 198 00:12:22,053 --> 00:12:25,733 Speaker 5: got loads over there. I mean, Dawson will be there. 199 00:12:26,973 --> 00:12:30,453 Speaker 5: Basher at the moment has got sixty eight wickets nineteen Tests, 200 00:12:30,573 --> 00:12:34,213 Speaker 5: and his run rate or you know, economy rate is 201 00:12:34,293 --> 00:12:37,253 Speaker 5: three point seven eight nearly three point eight runs and 202 00:12:37,333 --> 00:12:44,493 Speaker 5: over Jack's less of a threat, only two Tests, six wickets, 203 00:12:44,973 --> 00:12:48,333 Speaker 5: but his run rate four point twenty five. So what 204 00:12:48,413 --> 00:12:53,333 Speaker 5: the stats say from those tours from a holding role perspective, 205 00:12:54,013 --> 00:12:56,293 Speaker 5: bowling a few overs at one end and that kind 206 00:12:56,333 --> 00:13:00,933 Speaker 5: of thing. The difference after ten overs each ten overs 207 00:13:00,973 --> 00:13:05,133 Speaker 5: from Basher ten overs from Jack's is four point seven runs, 208 00:13:06,253 --> 00:13:08,253 Speaker 5: and Jacks is a top six. 209 00:13:08,053 --> 00:13:10,333 Speaker 7: Bat probably a better fielder. 210 00:13:11,853 --> 00:13:15,693 Speaker 5: The fact then that in those selectors' minds, it seems 211 00:13:15,733 --> 00:13:21,453 Speaker 5: to me that in that context, as a holding bowler 212 00:13:21,573 --> 00:13:26,093 Speaker 5: giving us runs, Jax Moore batting at number eight, no 213 00:13:26,213 --> 00:13:30,173 Speaker 5: other spin candidate for us kind of makes a bit 214 00:13:30,213 --> 00:13:37,173 Speaker 5: of sense from that perspective, And you know that's I 215 00:13:37,213 --> 00:13:39,733 Speaker 5: think the reason they've looked at will Jacks. 216 00:13:40,493 --> 00:13:43,093 Speaker 6: Interesting For the English eyed moose. 217 00:13:44,253 --> 00:13:46,373 Speaker 3: Things aren't laid down as there for the Aussies are 218 00:13:46,453 --> 00:13:49,853 Speaker 3: they They haven't got an opening batting combination. You talk 219 00:13:49,893 --> 00:13:52,693 Speaker 3: about their bowlers aging, I think they are still capable 220 00:13:52,733 --> 00:13:55,253 Speaker 3: of doing well, but come and Stark and Hazel with 221 00:13:55,373 --> 00:14:00,213 Speaker 3: all injury prone Bolin is there. I don't know if 222 00:14:00,213 --> 00:14:03,453 Speaker 3: they've got any others that they can lay their hat on, 223 00:14:03,493 --> 00:14:05,733 Speaker 3: but I think their big problem is going to be 224 00:14:05,773 --> 00:14:06,733 Speaker 3: at the top of the order. 225 00:14:06,973 --> 00:14:08,253 Speaker 4: Is Laboushine going to play? 226 00:14:08,493 --> 00:14:13,373 Speaker 3: Have they got Opener's Kwaja and who they're trying a 227 00:14:13,373 --> 00:14:16,493 Speaker 3: couple out? I presume in the tour of India with 228 00:14:16,573 --> 00:14:19,893 Speaker 3: the A side at the moment, I can. 229 00:14:19,813 --> 00:14:26,653 Speaker 2: Trust the two sides here where we've seen England actively 230 00:14:28,013 --> 00:14:30,413 Speaker 2: developing or coming up with what appears to be a 231 00:14:30,493 --> 00:14:33,453 Speaker 2: pretty cogent plan around who they're going to need, what 232 00:14:33,453 --> 00:14:37,333 Speaker 2: they're going to need. Bashir, he's tall and bounces. They've 233 00:14:37,333 --> 00:14:40,653 Speaker 2: thought about that, but there's been planning from a long 234 00:14:40,693 --> 00:14:41,213 Speaker 2: time out. 235 00:14:41,693 --> 00:14:41,853 Speaker 3: Now. 236 00:14:41,893 --> 00:14:45,213 Speaker 2: What I didn't what I haven't seen from Australia is 237 00:14:45,813 --> 00:14:49,653 Speaker 2: anything remotely like that, contemplating what it's going to look like. 238 00:14:50,453 --> 00:14:53,933 Speaker 2: And what we have now is we've got Kowadra apparently 239 00:14:54,013 --> 00:14:59,173 Speaker 2: is a lot to open, which I find fascinating because 240 00:14:59,613 --> 00:15:02,293 Speaker 2: to me. You just get in the first three or 241 00:15:02,293 --> 00:15:04,853 Speaker 2: four overs, get along line because he's going to be 242 00:15:04,853 --> 00:15:06,813 Speaker 2: stuck on the crease, and make sure your second and 243 00:15:06,813 --> 00:15:09,573 Speaker 2: third slips are all ready to go. And thanks very 244 00:15:09,653 --> 00:15:14,053 Speaker 2: much costas well. The jury's out there. Love with Shane. 245 00:15:14,653 --> 00:15:18,853 Speaker 2: I think big question marks Smith isn't what he was 246 00:15:19,773 --> 00:15:22,413 Speaker 2: and you start to you start to have real problems 247 00:15:23,613 --> 00:15:26,413 Speaker 2: with with with their batting depth. You know, I mean 248 00:15:26,773 --> 00:15:30,373 Speaker 2: head head will do what he does and find player. 249 00:15:31,133 --> 00:15:32,853 Speaker 2: But what I haven't seen is I don't know where 250 00:15:32,853 --> 00:15:34,693 Speaker 2: the rest of the depth is coming from. When they're 251 00:15:34,693 --> 00:15:37,813 Speaker 2: going to get exposed to this sort of cricket bowling. Yes, 252 00:15:38,613 --> 00:15:43,693 Speaker 2: but Hazelwood Cummins is currently injured. I think I think 253 00:15:43,773 --> 00:15:47,413 Speaker 2: there's uh, there's gaps in all of this and I 254 00:15:47,413 --> 00:15:50,253 Speaker 2: don't know, it's hard to see if there's a couple 255 00:15:50,333 --> 00:15:53,893 Speaker 2: of people fall away, in particular Cummings and or Hazelwood, 256 00:15:54,533 --> 00:15:55,973 Speaker 2: where they go and I don't know what the bat 257 00:15:56,013 --> 00:15:58,853 Speaker 2: the batting depth is. I just don't see that A 258 00:15:58,933 --> 00:15:59,773 Speaker 2: real question mark. 259 00:15:59,853 --> 00:16:03,093 Speaker 3: The yeah, don't see a lot of backup bowling as well. 260 00:16:03,133 --> 00:16:05,933 Speaker 3: I've got a team over in India at the moment. 261 00:16:05,973 --> 00:16:08,533 Speaker 3: Now here's a guy for you, Jerry, you can to 262 00:16:08,733 --> 00:16:12,213 Speaker 3: do a check on his record. He's taken some wickets 263 00:16:12,213 --> 00:16:15,453 Speaker 3: in one of the games. Henry Thornton is his name, 264 00:16:15,773 --> 00:16:19,253 Speaker 3: but in fact his full name is longer than a 265 00:16:19,453 --> 00:16:25,253 Speaker 3: Sri Lankan name, Henry Thomas Raphael James York Thornton, twenty 266 00:16:25,293 --> 00:16:26,253 Speaker 3: eight years of age. 267 00:16:26,373 --> 00:16:29,133 Speaker 7: Grief got a big family wads. 268 00:16:30,373 --> 00:16:31,453 Speaker 4: Which he's named up. 269 00:16:31,653 --> 00:16:34,293 Speaker 5: Very important people all had it to be in the name, 270 00:16:34,773 --> 00:16:38,853 Speaker 5: a lot of brothers. Yeah, look, I take I take 271 00:16:38,933 --> 00:16:43,853 Speaker 5: Moose's point at a g Kawaja thirty eight Smiths, thirty 272 00:16:43,973 --> 00:16:47,413 Speaker 5: six come in, thirty two start, thirty five bowl and 273 00:16:47,493 --> 00:16:51,973 Speaker 5: thirty six Lions thirty eight Ossie, I think prefer seasoned 274 00:16:52,013 --> 00:16:56,373 Speaker 5: players and they've they've kind of been in the last 275 00:16:56,413 --> 00:16:58,013 Speaker 5: two World Test Championships. 276 00:16:58,853 --> 00:17:00,333 Speaker 7: They probably prefer. 277 00:17:00,093 --> 00:17:01,773 Speaker 5: Them, I think because they know how to play the 278 00:17:01,853 --> 00:17:05,213 Speaker 5: guys and they know their games, so pick them rather 279 00:17:05,213 --> 00:17:08,493 Speaker 5: than the young guns and they generally. 280 00:17:08,533 --> 00:17:11,653 Speaker 7: Okay at home. But Moose is right. 281 00:17:11,733 --> 00:17:13,973 Speaker 5: It's one of the differences between the England and the 282 00:17:14,013 --> 00:17:19,453 Speaker 5: Australian approach. Broaden Anderson gone in Come Back from Injury, 283 00:17:19,573 --> 00:17:22,973 Speaker 5: Archer and Wood enter cast Tungu Atkinson Potts as I 284 00:17:23,013 --> 00:17:25,613 Speaker 5: say as the English m no Sonny Baker, no Ryan 285 00:17:25,733 --> 00:17:29,613 Speaker 5: Arbad and Leandorson no Jordan Cox. So that's where they're 286 00:17:29,653 --> 00:17:32,613 Speaker 5: starting to look though I think that's probably fair. If 287 00:17:32,653 --> 00:17:36,493 Speaker 5: you looked at this the Aussie a team Constance and 288 00:17:36,613 --> 00:17:39,813 Speaker 5: a guy called Kellaway Campbell Kellaway at the top. You've 289 00:17:39,853 --> 00:17:42,693 Speaker 5: got a middle order guy called Cooper Connolly, You've got 290 00:17:42,693 --> 00:17:45,733 Speaker 5: a keeper called Josh philipp who's getting runs, and you've 291 00:17:45,733 --> 00:17:48,813 Speaker 5: got the spinner Todd Murphy who's been used before. Now, 292 00:17:48,853 --> 00:17:51,373 Speaker 5: whether they're going to look at those fellas, I don't know. 293 00:17:52,133 --> 00:17:56,013 Speaker 7: I would suspect not. But the oapener's the older crew. 294 00:17:56,573 --> 00:17:59,213 Speaker 5: I guess you could look at players like Marcus Harris 295 00:17:59,853 --> 00:18:03,613 Speaker 5: thirty three played for Lancashire, has played four Ashes Tests, 296 00:18:04,653 --> 00:18:08,573 Speaker 5: got runs at Lancashire, Cameron Bancroft played as well, he's 297 00:18:08,573 --> 00:18:10,173 Speaker 5: played before, and Matt Renshaw. 298 00:18:11,653 --> 00:18:13,013 Speaker 7: They're hoping that Labashaine. 299 00:18:13,053 --> 00:18:16,853 Speaker 5: What they're saying to the Aussies clearly is we're going 300 00:18:16,933 --> 00:18:21,173 Speaker 5: to be looking very bloody closely at the first three 301 00:18:21,213 --> 00:18:24,853 Speaker 5: Shield matches before we play in Perth, and they're going 302 00:18:24,893 --> 00:18:29,093 Speaker 5: to be looking at those matches very closely to finalize 303 00:18:29,133 --> 00:18:31,573 Speaker 5: this side and Lavashane will be at the center of that. 304 00:18:32,613 --> 00:18:35,653 Speaker 5: He's got eleven hundreds, he's averaging forty six. He's not 305 00:18:35,813 --> 00:18:39,573 Speaker 5: automatic pick now he's been asked to go away and 306 00:18:39,893 --> 00:18:43,813 Speaker 5: play on his work, on his game, you know. 307 00:18:44,093 --> 00:18:46,493 Speaker 7: So there's a lot to be done by. 308 00:18:46,413 --> 00:18:50,893 Speaker 5: Ossis and I think probably in terms of being prepared, 309 00:18:51,653 --> 00:18:54,493 Speaker 5: England might be slightly ahead. As far as the bowlers 310 00:18:54,493 --> 00:18:59,453 Speaker 5: are concerned. There's quite a few bowlers that you could 311 00:18:59,573 --> 00:19:04,013 Speaker 5: select for Australia. I think obviously Boland would be the 312 00:19:04,053 --> 00:19:07,493 Speaker 5: first peck of Cummins doesn't go in. You've got that 313 00:19:07,533 --> 00:19:11,533 Speaker 5: guy Jay coming back from injury from his shoulder. He's 314 00:19:11,533 --> 00:19:14,253 Speaker 5: coming back later on and the series Sean Abbott as 315 00:19:14,253 --> 00:19:17,813 Speaker 5: a go went to the West Indies, Michael Nisa, Brendan 316 00:19:17,893 --> 00:19:22,613 Speaker 5: Doggett and other names. They've got a few Riley Meredith 317 00:19:22,653 --> 00:19:26,533 Speaker 5: as pace bowlers, mainly white ball fast bowlers. I would 318 00:19:26,533 --> 00:19:30,133 Speaker 5: have to say Xavier Bartlet is around. He'll be here 319 00:19:30,173 --> 00:19:33,373 Speaker 5: and we'll see him in the t twenties. So there 320 00:19:33,413 --> 00:19:38,533 Speaker 5: are a few who have got airspeed. Whether they've got 321 00:19:38,853 --> 00:19:44,053 Speaker 5: the nipping around obviously Bowlin fits into that category. 322 00:19:44,133 --> 00:19:44,893 Speaker 7: We'll wait and. 323 00:19:44,973 --> 00:19:49,253 Speaker 5: See, but there are there are options there for them 324 00:19:49,373 --> 00:19:52,333 Speaker 5: and they're going to They're placing a lot of importance 325 00:19:52,773 --> 00:19:55,253 Speaker 5: as I say on those first three shield matches. 326 00:19:55,413 --> 00:19:59,453 Speaker 8: Brian Waddell Jeremy Coney on the front foot. 327 00:19:59,613 --> 00:20:02,653 Speaker 3: Both the New Zealand sides of the women's side are 328 00:20:02,693 --> 00:20:06,373 Speaker 3: taking part in their World Cup and the dates sort 329 00:20:06,413 --> 00:20:11,013 Speaker 3: of coincide with the games that the black Caps are playing. 330 00:20:11,333 --> 00:20:14,173 Speaker 3: What can we expect from New Zealand? They're up against 331 00:20:14,733 --> 00:20:16,453 Speaker 3: a tough lot for the women. 332 00:20:16,693 --> 00:20:18,813 Speaker 2: If they can get into the semi final, that'll be 333 00:20:19,293 --> 00:20:22,133 Speaker 2: as good as we might expect. In my opinion, I don't. 334 00:20:22,213 --> 00:20:24,853 Speaker 2: I think they're underdone and I think they're going to 335 00:20:24,853 --> 00:20:27,853 Speaker 2: struggle in those conditions. 336 00:20:28,173 --> 00:20:30,973 Speaker 3: Yeah, they've had two warm up games against in the 337 00:20:31,093 --> 00:20:35,533 Speaker 3: Air and before well, but modestly. I mean they were 338 00:20:35,533 --> 00:20:39,653 Speaker 3: playing fifteen a side and that's hardly an indication And 339 00:20:40,093 --> 00:20:43,613 Speaker 3: we just have to wait and see from the black Caps, Jerry, 340 00:20:43,653 --> 00:20:47,693 Speaker 3: they've they've picked the best side they've got available. There's 341 00:20:47,773 --> 00:20:49,733 Speaker 3: enough depth there, is it good enough to beat this 342 00:20:49,773 --> 00:20:50,813 Speaker 3: Australian side. 343 00:20:51,613 --> 00:20:54,733 Speaker 5: Ossie's are always hard to beat wads whatever the format 344 00:20:55,093 --> 00:20:59,333 Speaker 5: and whoever they select, So you can expect a battle, 345 00:20:59,373 --> 00:21:03,533 Speaker 5: can't you. Both sides have players absent. They got three 346 00:21:03,573 --> 00:21:08,813 Speaker 5: games in four days. There will be experimental We're going 347 00:21:08,853 --> 00:21:10,693 Speaker 5: to have a hundred of these, aren't we These games 348 00:21:11,173 --> 00:21:15,653 Speaker 5: so before the before the T twenty World Cup, so 349 00:21:15,773 --> 00:21:18,213 Speaker 5: they you know, they'll all get games, I would think, 350 00:21:18,853 --> 00:21:21,933 Speaker 5: And whoever you want to go through for your first 351 00:21:22,013 --> 00:21:25,413 Speaker 5: starting to live, whether it's Conway's Sifeered, Ravendra and then 352 00:21:25,533 --> 00:21:29,693 Speaker 5: Mitchell and I guess Chapman and Jacobs or you know, 353 00:21:29,773 --> 00:21:32,373 Speaker 5: whoever you could chew. I don't know whether Robinson he's 354 00:21:32,413 --> 00:21:36,893 Speaker 5: normally a top three man, isn't he brace will at 355 00:21:36,973 --> 00:21:39,533 Speaker 5: seven And it depends on who you want to bowl. 356 00:21:39,533 --> 00:21:44,493 Speaker 5: I would have thought early on in October even even 357 00:21:44,533 --> 00:21:47,813 Speaker 5: the you know at tower on or the pitch we'll 358 00:21:47,853 --> 00:21:49,293 Speaker 5: have a bit of grass on it. You would have 359 00:21:49,373 --> 00:21:54,413 Speaker 5: thought Jameis and Henry Duffy Sears might play it, you know, 360 00:21:54,573 --> 00:21:57,773 Speaker 5: and have just just bracewill and as a spinner for 361 00:21:57,813 --> 00:22:01,893 Speaker 5: a start and leave perhaps Stody out for the third match. 362 00:22:02,133 --> 00:22:06,493 Speaker 5: I don't know that that how they'll view it. Robins, 363 00:22:06,693 --> 00:22:11,413 Speaker 5: Robinson and folks will also games, so let's just wait 364 00:22:11,453 --> 00:22:13,413 Speaker 5: and see and hope that they play well. 365 00:22:13,613 --> 00:22:15,093 Speaker 7: It'll be the same for the Aussies. 366 00:22:15,493 --> 00:22:19,493 Speaker 5: You know, they haven't got all their players their head 367 00:22:19,533 --> 00:22:23,973 Speaker 5: and marsh normally open now for them. They've got that 368 00:22:24,053 --> 00:22:26,413 Speaker 5: guy short and they've gotten the middle order. They got 369 00:22:26,413 --> 00:22:29,093 Speaker 5: a number of choices like Tim David and as a 370 00:22:29,133 --> 00:22:31,213 Speaker 5: new fellow, I don't know him quite so well. Mitchell 371 00:22:31,293 --> 00:22:36,213 Speaker 5: Owen obviously, Maxwell is there. Stuwiness would be the asm 372 00:22:36,253 --> 00:22:39,773 Speaker 5: A bowling option. There's no English. I think he's withdrawn, 373 00:22:39,813 --> 00:22:43,813 Speaker 5: hasn't he? So care he'll be the keeper. And then 374 00:22:43,853 --> 00:22:46,573 Speaker 5: you've got some of those bowlers we mentioned, Xavier Bartlett 375 00:22:46,573 --> 00:22:50,093 Speaker 5: and sewn Abbott and Dorsius and Hazelwood is there so 376 00:22:50,293 --> 00:22:55,373 Speaker 5: and then Zampa obviously as a spinner as well. So look, 377 00:22:55,973 --> 00:22:57,933 Speaker 5: they'll all get games. I would have thought as well, 378 00:22:57,933 --> 00:22:58,773 Speaker 5: fellas wouldn't you. 379 00:22:59,413 --> 00:22:59,893 Speaker 4: The women? 380 00:23:00,933 --> 00:23:01,973 Speaker 7: Wadd's the women. 381 00:23:02,133 --> 00:23:03,733 Speaker 4: I think the. 382 00:23:03,693 --> 00:23:07,613 Speaker 5: Women's standard has changed and the quality has moved, hasn't it. 383 00:23:08,093 --> 00:23:11,093 Speaker 5: And Ozzie and India nearly scored eight hundred runs in 384 00:23:11,173 --> 00:23:15,813 Speaker 5: an Odi the other day, didn't they? So you know, 385 00:23:16,293 --> 00:23:20,253 Speaker 5: Sri Lanka maybe at home, have got a chance because 386 00:23:20,253 --> 00:23:23,533 Speaker 5: that's where they'll be playing Pakistan. Oz Of won seven 387 00:23:23,573 --> 00:23:29,013 Speaker 5: World Cups, England have won four. England beat the medium 388 00:23:29,133 --> 00:23:31,933 Speaker 5: sides quite comfortably, but then when they come up against 389 00:23:31,973 --> 00:23:34,293 Speaker 5: the better sides like India and Ossi, they don't quite 390 00:23:34,373 --> 00:23:37,533 Speaker 5: do so well. So look we've got a chance, I 391 00:23:37,573 --> 00:23:40,133 Speaker 5: agree with Moose. If we can get to the semis, 392 00:23:40,893 --> 00:23:45,133 Speaker 5: we'll have done okay. The warm ups are saying Kerr 393 00:23:45,173 --> 00:23:48,213 Speaker 5: and Carson are looking like the two spinners and not 394 00:23:48,293 --> 00:23:52,413 Speaker 5: so much of the New Devonshire and we need runs 395 00:23:52,453 --> 00:23:56,413 Speaker 5: from Plummer, Halliday and Green as well to go with 396 00:23:56,533 --> 00:23:57,773 Speaker 5: our main three. 397 00:23:58,213 --> 00:24:00,013 Speaker 7: You know, Baits, Divine and Kerr. 398 00:24:00,573 --> 00:24:01,813 Speaker 4: Yep, that's pretty much. 399 00:24:01,973 --> 00:24:04,773 Speaker 3: We'll be looking at that and talking about that competition 400 00:24:04,853 --> 00:24:06,213 Speaker 3: over the next few weeks. 401 00:24:06,413 --> 00:24:10,213 Speaker 8: Brian Wadold, Jeremy Cooney on the front foot. 402 00:24:11,173 --> 00:24:15,293 Speaker 3: Finally this week, just a acknowledgement of a couple of 403 00:24:15,453 --> 00:24:18,533 Speaker 3: identities who have passed away. Former New Zealand fast baller 404 00:24:18,573 --> 00:24:22,773 Speaker 3: Bruce Morrison has died age ninety one. We remember him 405 00:24:23,293 --> 00:24:27,053 Speaker 3: in partnership with Bob Blair, effectively for Wellington over a 406 00:24:27,133 --> 00:24:29,413 Speaker 3: period of time one hundred and sixty seven first class 407 00:24:29,413 --> 00:24:31,733 Speaker 3: wickets averaged twenty four. 408 00:24:31,573 --> 00:24:33,213 Speaker 6: Did you mess to do with Beady? 409 00:24:33,333 --> 00:24:35,213 Speaker 4: He was a selector for a period of time. 410 00:24:35,333 --> 00:24:38,773 Speaker 5: Jerry wasn't he yeah, he was for Wellington. You're quite right, 411 00:24:39,053 --> 00:24:44,333 Speaker 5: played obviously for Hutt Valley. As you say, a calm 412 00:24:44,933 --> 00:24:52,613 Speaker 5: and gentleman, spoke quietly but very determined and enjoyed the time. 413 00:24:52,613 --> 00:24:57,973 Speaker 5: Everyone thought highly of a bed Morrison and he'll be missed. 414 00:24:58,933 --> 00:25:00,333 Speaker 7: He's given a lot to cricket. 415 00:25:01,253 --> 00:25:04,293 Speaker 5: I remember one we went through the Canterbury side once 416 00:25:04,373 --> 00:25:07,013 Speaker 5: we were down at Lancaster Park staying in the old 417 00:25:07,093 --> 00:25:10,133 Speaker 5: hotel there. He went round the team and talked about 418 00:25:10,133 --> 00:25:13,293 Speaker 5: the Canterbury side and b D sat quiet and he 419 00:25:13,413 --> 00:25:15,373 Speaker 5: leant forward at the end of the meet and said, well, 420 00:25:15,413 --> 00:25:18,733 Speaker 5: that's a bloody big build up for Canterbury. He said, 421 00:25:18,773 --> 00:25:21,533 Speaker 5: we'll but what we'll do is we'll take them apart 422 00:25:21,613 --> 00:25:25,213 Speaker 5: this way and he gave us a few ideas and 423 00:25:25,253 --> 00:25:29,093 Speaker 5: we beat them. And so he was buddy right and 424 00:25:29,133 --> 00:25:32,853 Speaker 5: good on him, and so he was. He was a 425 00:25:32,933 --> 00:25:37,013 Speaker 5: very determined, quietly spoken man, and I'll miss b D. 426 00:25:37,933 --> 00:25:38,173 Speaker 6: Yep. 427 00:25:38,293 --> 00:25:40,893 Speaker 3: I remember him from Cary days when I was a 428 00:25:40,893 --> 00:25:43,813 Speaker 3: little boy tied up against the fence while senior club 429 00:25:43,933 --> 00:25:45,333 Speaker 3: club cricket was being played. 430 00:25:46,573 --> 00:25:47,653 Speaker 4: Had anything to do with him. 431 00:25:48,533 --> 00:25:49,693 Speaker 7: He's on a leash moose. 432 00:25:52,973 --> 00:25:56,533 Speaker 2: I know I didn't, but one thing that surprised me 433 00:25:56,693 --> 00:25:58,413 Speaker 2: that he only had the one. 434 00:25:58,293 --> 00:26:00,413 Speaker 8: Test, Yeah Wellington. 435 00:26:01,293 --> 00:26:04,213 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that was in mind to know for a 436 00:26:04,253 --> 00:26:07,773 Speaker 2: career that spanned, first career that spanned in those days 437 00:26:07,853 --> 00:26:13,133 Speaker 2: quite well, you know, eleven twelve years and knowing what 438 00:26:13,213 --> 00:26:16,213 Speaker 2: I find bowling was. I mean, the average just points 439 00:26:16,213 --> 00:26:19,453 Speaker 2: to that directly, that he only had the one test. 440 00:26:19,893 --> 00:26:22,093 Speaker 2: That did surprise me. I had it in my head 441 00:26:22,093 --> 00:26:23,853 Speaker 2: that he would have played more for New Zealand. But 442 00:26:26,453 --> 00:26:28,173 Speaker 2: you know, in speaking to some other people, you know 443 00:26:28,213 --> 00:26:31,093 Speaker 2: he was he was a very fine bowler and together 444 00:26:31,133 --> 00:26:33,653 Speaker 2: with Blair they were pretty useful from all accounts. 445 00:26:33,973 --> 00:26:35,013 Speaker 4: Yeah, most definitely. 446 00:26:35,533 --> 00:26:37,973 Speaker 3: And the other one was Dickie Bird passed away, a 447 00:26:38,053 --> 00:26:40,013 Speaker 3: real character in the generation. 448 00:26:40,213 --> 00:26:42,373 Speaker 4: Any stories on Dickie Jerry. 449 00:26:43,493 --> 00:26:47,173 Speaker 5: Oh, well, you couldn't have a discussion about Dickie without 450 00:26:47,213 --> 00:26:52,133 Speaker 5: the stories, could you. As a player first before as 451 00:26:52,173 --> 00:26:58,733 Speaker 5: an umpire, he played for Yorkshire and Leicestershire. Very nervous opener, 452 00:26:59,973 --> 00:27:03,893 Speaker 5: and I mean he played for Barnsley where he lived. 453 00:27:03,893 --> 00:27:07,053 Speaker 5: Of course, Boycott of course played in the same club, 454 00:27:07,613 --> 00:27:10,093 Speaker 5: but he opened with the guy called Michael Parkinson, who 455 00:27:10,093 --> 00:27:14,573 Speaker 5: you guys will have heard of. He played for Barnsley, 456 00:27:14,733 --> 00:27:19,013 Speaker 5: and one day Michael Parkinson said that Dicky was so 457 00:27:19,293 --> 00:27:23,573 Speaker 5: nervous that he buckled his pads together so that when 458 00:27:23,573 --> 00:27:25,773 Speaker 5: he got to go up and get up and go 459 00:27:25,853 --> 00:27:26,213 Speaker 5: out and. 460 00:27:26,213 --> 00:27:27,893 Speaker 7: Face he actually fell over. 461 00:27:28,653 --> 00:27:33,813 Speaker 5: So he as soon as he became an ump wadge, 462 00:27:33,853 --> 00:27:38,453 Speaker 5: he wasn't quite so nervous. But he was quirky and 463 00:27:38,493 --> 00:27:41,373 Speaker 5: he was a character, a bit of a not outer 464 00:27:41,493 --> 00:27:44,013 Speaker 5: with lbw's. But like all lumps, there were errors, but 465 00:27:44,093 --> 00:27:46,653 Speaker 5: not many. His judgments were accepted and he was a 466 00:27:46,693 --> 00:27:52,413 Speaker 5: respected umpire by all the players, defiantly passionate about the game. 467 00:27:52,493 --> 00:27:57,613 Speaker 5: Never married, he was married to cricket. He used to say, 468 00:27:57,893 --> 00:28:00,733 Speaker 5: I suppose for me the biggest thing I felt looking 469 00:28:00,773 --> 00:28:07,573 Speaker 5: back now, how impartial and scrupulously and unimpeachably, unimpeachably fair. 470 00:28:08,813 --> 00:28:10,693 Speaker 7: And that's what made him a favorite. 471 00:28:10,733 --> 00:28:10,933 Speaker 5: You know. 472 00:28:11,293 --> 00:28:15,253 Speaker 7: He umpired before DRS. He hated DRS. Really he said, 473 00:28:15,373 --> 00:28:20,533 Speaker 7: oh you could, you could. It's a machine nowadays with. 474 00:28:20,573 --> 00:28:23,733 Speaker 2: Dicky Bird and of course there was the other umpire 475 00:28:23,733 --> 00:28:26,853 Speaker 2: who was often partnered, who was David Shepherd. What always 476 00:28:26,853 --> 00:28:30,813 Speaker 2: struck me was that they were you knew you had 477 00:28:31,933 --> 00:28:35,013 Speaker 2: you had had a fair deal with them. They were scrupulous, 478 00:28:35,093 --> 00:28:39,053 Speaker 2: they were impartial, couldn't always be said in those times. 479 00:28:39,813 --> 00:28:41,893 Speaker 2: And also they were they were there were men of 480 00:28:41,973 --> 00:28:45,893 Speaker 2: the game and they understood it implicitly, having first class cricketers. 481 00:28:45,933 --> 00:28:49,613 Speaker 2: And I just liked a lot about the way they 482 00:28:49,613 --> 00:28:53,093 Speaker 2: went about their business in their different ways. Sadly, David 483 00:28:53,093 --> 00:28:55,653 Speaker 2: Shepherd passed away very young and well rather thively young, 484 00:28:55,733 --> 00:28:59,893 Speaker 2: sixty eight, and but you had that wonderful partnership and 485 00:28:59,973 --> 00:29:02,533 Speaker 2: you'd have played against or with him, not with him, 486 00:29:02,533 --> 00:29:06,413 Speaker 2: but in games where Shep and Shepherd and Dicky Birr 487 00:29:06,413 --> 00:29:07,893 Speaker 2: would have been umpiring, I would have thought. 488 00:29:07,773 --> 00:29:11,733 Speaker 5: Jerry, Yeah, I did both very good umpires. 489 00:29:11,773 --> 00:29:12,213 Speaker 7: And you're right. 490 00:29:12,293 --> 00:29:17,573 Speaker 5: They were often together and what they did was something 491 00:29:17,653 --> 00:29:21,133 Speaker 5: we don't see nowadays. They were always in control. You 492 00:29:21,173 --> 00:29:23,453 Speaker 5: could get to a certain point. They liked humor, they 493 00:29:23,453 --> 00:29:28,213 Speaker 5: would use humor, but at the same time, if things 494 00:29:28,253 --> 00:29:31,293 Speaker 5: weren't going well out there, they were in charge, and 495 00:29:31,453 --> 00:29:34,333 Speaker 5: there was no doubt about that. They would never have 496 00:29:34,373 --> 00:29:38,213 Speaker 5: allowed the overrate to have got to wear it is nowadays. 497 00:29:38,773 --> 00:29:41,093 Speaker 5: They just managed those things really well. 498 00:29:41,613 --> 00:29:42,333 Speaker 7: Both of them. 499 00:29:42,253 --> 00:29:47,173 Speaker 5: Used humor, even the way, even the way Dickie moved 500 00:29:47,213 --> 00:29:51,453 Speaker 5: around the field. You know, you knew it was Dickie. 501 00:29:51,173 --> 00:29:56,693 Speaker 5: He still have an erratic body that used to twitch 502 00:29:56,933 --> 00:30:00,773 Speaker 5: his shoulders. You really punched at the behind the stumps. 503 00:30:01,253 --> 00:30:03,213 Speaker 5: He had these odd lymphs. 504 00:30:02,933 --> 00:30:05,213 Speaker 7: That he used to have. The four arm stretchers was 505 00:30:05,253 --> 00:30:05,773 Speaker 7: another one. 506 00:30:05,813 --> 00:30:08,733 Speaker 5: And look as if he's holding dumbbells out and he 507 00:30:08,853 --> 00:30:11,333 Speaker 5: was kind of like a cricketing mister bean. You know, 508 00:30:11,453 --> 00:30:17,173 Speaker 5: he provoked smiles and it was a real asset of him. 509 00:30:17,213 --> 00:30:22,093 Speaker 7: You know. I remember a match where we were. 510 00:30:21,893 --> 00:30:25,013 Speaker 5: Playing, or where we were were playing Lancaster Park, I 511 00:30:25,053 --> 00:30:31,733 Speaker 5: think we were playing and I at a moment with 512 00:30:32,093 --> 00:30:36,093 Speaker 5: Derek Randall, who was backing up too far in a 513 00:30:36,173 --> 00:30:39,733 Speaker 5: one dayer, and I reminded him that he was run 514 00:30:39,773 --> 00:30:43,293 Speaker 5: out in a Test match at Lancaster Park a few 515 00:30:43,373 --> 00:30:49,333 Speaker 5: years ago by chats actually, and Derek mumbled mumbled something 516 00:30:49,413 --> 00:30:52,653 Speaker 5: quite quickly about wrapping and bats around heads. 517 00:30:54,533 --> 00:30:55,653 Speaker 7: Now Dicky heard this. 518 00:30:56,573 --> 00:30:59,013 Speaker 5: He was at the bowler's end and he suddenly dropped 519 00:30:59,053 --> 00:31:00,813 Speaker 5: about two or three of the marbles that were in 520 00:31:00,853 --> 00:31:04,213 Speaker 5: his hand he used for counters boys boys. He said, 521 00:31:04,533 --> 00:31:08,493 Speaker 5: I'm losing my marbles and he started picking them up 522 00:31:09,293 --> 00:31:11,733 Speaker 5: and I said, Dickie, we could have told you that 523 00:31:11,893 --> 00:31:15,973 Speaker 5: years ago, and we all laughed. We all laughed. He 524 00:31:16,133 --> 00:31:21,933 Speaker 5: was very good at deflecting conflict, you know. He often 525 00:31:21,973 --> 00:31:26,333 Speaker 5: did it with bowlers in wander off after a guy 526 00:31:26,293 --> 00:31:28,613 Speaker 5: had got a knot out of an lb and he 527 00:31:28,693 --> 00:31:31,213 Speaker 5: was very upset or something or other. I remember Lily 528 00:31:31,333 --> 00:31:34,293 Speaker 5: was like that, but he off he'd go with Dickie 529 00:31:34,293 --> 00:31:36,373 Speaker 5: had wandered back to his fielding position at the end 530 00:31:36,373 --> 00:31:39,453 Speaker 5: of the over, and suddenly you'd see the bowler throw 531 00:31:39,533 --> 00:31:43,893 Speaker 5: his head back and laugh, you know, it was sort 532 00:31:43,933 --> 00:31:47,373 Speaker 5: of sanity returned, and he was. He was a hell 533 00:31:47,413 --> 00:31:49,613 Speaker 5: of a good at that. I mean, the England were 534 00:31:49,653 --> 00:31:53,373 Speaker 5: always having him on, weren't they. I mean the number 535 00:31:53,373 --> 00:31:56,453 Speaker 5: of times they put snakes in wards or they put 536 00:31:56,733 --> 00:32:01,173 Speaker 5: tom some firecrackers down and Dickie. Dickie had been leaping 537 00:32:01,213 --> 00:32:03,693 Speaker 5: around behind the stumps doing the Hoki toky or the 538 00:32:03,773 --> 00:32:08,853 Speaker 5: chicken dance, you know, behind the stumps, and the old 539 00:32:08,893 --> 00:32:11,813 Speaker 5: one of allan Lamb giving him his old mobile phone 540 00:32:11,853 --> 00:32:13,773 Speaker 5: to hold, you know, when they were like bricks in 541 00:32:13,853 --> 00:32:17,213 Speaker 5: those days, and was pulling one side of his shoulders 542 00:32:17,253 --> 00:32:21,253 Speaker 5: down and sure enough, within two or three minutes the 543 00:32:21,293 --> 00:32:24,573 Speaker 5: phone would go off in his pocket and there would 544 00:32:24,573 --> 00:32:27,693 Speaker 5: be the imperious voice at the other end, sounding rather 545 00:32:27,893 --> 00:32:30,573 Speaker 5: like Ian, both of them, and it would say tell 546 00:32:30,653 --> 00:32:33,133 Speaker 5: Lamb to get on with it or get out or 547 00:32:33,173 --> 00:32:36,373 Speaker 5: something like that, you know, and Dicky would start, his 548 00:32:36,573 --> 00:32:38,453 Speaker 5: shoulders would be hunched and laughing. 549 00:32:38,853 --> 00:32:41,133 Speaker 3: I remember the first game he did of New Zealand 550 00:32:41,213 --> 00:32:44,293 Speaker 3: on the tour of Zimbabwe. It was is Zelland's first 551 00:32:44,293 --> 00:32:47,133 Speaker 3: ever Test in Zimbabwe and the Test was in Bullaweo 552 00:32:48,053 --> 00:32:51,973 Speaker 3: and Dicky was there as an invited umpire. It wasn't 553 00:32:52,013 --> 00:32:54,893 Speaker 3: in the days of having independent umpires. I think he 554 00:32:54,933 --> 00:32:58,533 Speaker 3: stood with Ian Robinson or something along those lines. And 555 00:32:58,853 --> 00:33:02,493 Speaker 3: in Bulawayo in those days it was very dry, and 556 00:33:02,493 --> 00:33:05,653 Speaker 3: in fact it hadn't rained for two years except on 557 00:33:05,733 --> 00:33:09,173 Speaker 3: the day before the Test match started, and it pelted 558 00:33:09,213 --> 00:33:12,013 Speaker 3: down overnight. The next morning we arrived at the ground 559 00:33:12,333 --> 00:33:15,213 Speaker 3: and it was as dry as the ground apart from 560 00:33:15,373 --> 00:33:18,893 Speaker 3: one little area at the corner of the covers, and 561 00:33:18,933 --> 00:33:22,413 Speaker 3: that was very wet, and Dickie wouldn't let play start 562 00:33:22,493 --> 00:33:24,933 Speaker 3: till four point thirty in the afternoon because. 563 00:33:24,653 --> 00:33:26,453 Speaker 6: He thought it was too dangerous. 564 00:33:26,733 --> 00:33:29,413 Speaker 3: The ground was rock hard, even though it had rained 565 00:33:29,413 --> 00:33:33,453 Speaker 3: the night before, and that was Dickie because I think 566 00:33:33,453 --> 00:33:36,533 Speaker 3: he was a sort of weather man in another life, 567 00:33:36,773 --> 00:33:39,133 Speaker 3: wasn't he the other thing? And I don't know whether 568 00:33:39,133 --> 00:33:41,613 Speaker 3: this is a true story or not, Jerry, And it 569 00:33:41,693 --> 00:33:45,093 Speaker 3: may well have involved you. Was when John Bracewell was 570 00:33:45,133 --> 00:33:47,853 Speaker 3: bowling and he called the captain asked to have Bracewell 571 00:33:47,893 --> 00:33:48,333 Speaker 3: taken off? 572 00:33:48,413 --> 00:33:50,253 Speaker 4: Was that you the captain? 573 00:33:50,493 --> 00:33:50,653 Speaker 1: No? 574 00:33:51,453 --> 00:33:56,613 Speaker 3: Ah? Well, apparently, And it may well be a story 575 00:33:56,653 --> 00:34:00,453 Speaker 3: that lacks a little bit in authenticity, but apparently brace 576 00:34:00,453 --> 00:34:03,613 Speaker 3: As he used to appeal rather loudly and didn't have 577 00:34:03,613 --> 00:34:05,733 Speaker 3: a long follow through show. It was nearby the umpire 578 00:34:06,933 --> 00:34:10,533 Speaker 3: and Dickie Bird called the captain up whoever it was, 579 00:34:10,573 --> 00:34:11,533 Speaker 3: and said, could you. 580 00:34:11,533 --> 00:34:13,773 Speaker 6: Please bowl this man from the other end? 581 00:34:13,813 --> 00:34:14,893 Speaker 4: He's making me deaf? 582 00:34:17,013 --> 00:34:20,853 Speaker 7: Can't hear the edges the fine visa? That's so good? Yeah, 583 00:34:21,893 --> 00:34:26,173 Speaker 7: he wouldn't like that. He wouldn't like that, but he was. 584 00:34:26,333 --> 00:34:28,013 Speaker 4: He was a super character. 585 00:34:28,093 --> 00:34:28,853 Speaker 6: And you're right. 586 00:34:29,093 --> 00:34:31,933 Speaker 3: I mean I saw him a couple of times with 587 00:34:32,213 --> 00:34:35,333 Speaker 3: Shep at games, and Shep used to have to look 588 00:34:35,373 --> 00:34:36,933 Speaker 3: after him, you know, make sure that he got to 589 00:34:36,973 --> 00:34:39,533 Speaker 3: the dinner table on time, make sure that he got 590 00:34:39,533 --> 00:34:42,973 Speaker 3: to the plane and so forth, because he was such 591 00:34:42,973 --> 00:34:46,493 Speaker 3: a character. He could get interrupted by anybody at any time, 592 00:34:46,813 --> 00:34:49,213 Speaker 3: and people wanted to talk. And he wasn't scared of talking, 593 00:34:49,333 --> 00:34:50,493 Speaker 3: was he, Dickie? 594 00:34:50,733 --> 00:34:53,053 Speaker 6: But he was. He always seemed to have a laugh. 595 00:34:53,053 --> 00:34:56,533 Speaker 3: I never saw him down or depressed in any form 596 00:34:56,573 --> 00:34:57,853 Speaker 3: at all around the cricket field. 597 00:34:58,893 --> 00:34:59,533 Speaker 7: No, you're right. 598 00:34:59,573 --> 00:35:03,093 Speaker 5: He was very twitchy about rain, wasn't he. That was 599 00:35:03,213 --> 00:35:07,133 Speaker 5: one thing that really set him off. And there was 600 00:35:07,173 --> 00:35:10,893 Speaker 5: a game the Westend. He's a Headingly and the West 601 00:35:10,933 --> 00:35:13,573 Speaker 5: Indies are fielding and Dickie said he was waiting and 602 00:35:13,653 --> 00:35:17,293 Speaker 5: waiting for the bowler to arrive behind him, and suddenly 603 00:35:17,293 --> 00:35:19,773 Speaker 5: he heard a lot of talking, loud noise behind him 604 00:35:19,893 --> 00:35:22,493 Speaker 5: and there in the run up a water pipe at 605 00:35:22,573 --> 00:35:24,933 Speaker 5: Headingley had burst in the ground. And you may have 606 00:35:24,973 --> 00:35:27,533 Speaker 5: heard of this one, but I mean Dickie had to 607 00:35:27,573 --> 00:35:31,933 Speaker 5: take them off and people were moaning about mister Burden. 608 00:35:31,533 --> 00:35:33,613 Speaker 7: What are you doing? They said, we need a plumber 609 00:35:33,653 --> 00:35:35,573 Speaker 7: out there, not sawdust, you know. 610 00:35:35,613 --> 00:35:39,413 Speaker 5: And that was that was typical of him as well. 611 00:35:40,173 --> 00:35:43,693 Speaker 5: You mentioned taking looking after him and taking him to 612 00:35:43,733 --> 00:35:44,973 Speaker 5: the table and that sort of thing. 613 00:35:45,053 --> 00:35:48,373 Speaker 7: My last little story. I mean, there's there's loads of 614 00:35:48,413 --> 00:35:49,213 Speaker 7: them about. 615 00:35:49,573 --> 00:35:52,893 Speaker 5: But we were touring England in eighty three and a 616 00:35:52,933 --> 00:35:56,373 Speaker 5: woman was serving lunch to us, and she told me 617 00:35:56,413 --> 00:35:59,253 Speaker 5: a story about how had she had to cook for 618 00:35:59,293 --> 00:36:01,973 Speaker 5: the players and some other rooms, you know, for the 619 00:36:02,173 --> 00:36:05,213 Speaker 5: for the gentry for lunch, and she needed to change 620 00:36:05,213 --> 00:36:08,013 Speaker 5: out of a chef's clothes of whites and into the 621 00:36:08,573 --> 00:36:10,733 Speaker 5: into something better to serve the food, and there were 622 00:36:10,733 --> 00:36:15,733 Speaker 5: no women's facilities, so Dickie used to usher her into 623 00:36:15,773 --> 00:36:18,453 Speaker 5: the umpire's room to have a quick shower and a 624 00:36:18,533 --> 00:36:20,853 Speaker 5: change and that sort of thing. And he used to 625 00:36:20,893 --> 00:36:23,853 Speaker 5: stand guard outside the door and make sure no one entered. 626 00:36:24,933 --> 00:36:29,373 Speaker 7: So he was a proper gent, this lady said to me. 627 00:36:29,693 --> 00:36:32,213 Speaker 5: And he said, said, I paid him back in puddings, 628 00:36:35,213 --> 00:36:36,413 Speaker 5: which rather amused me. 629 00:36:36,893 --> 00:36:38,173 Speaker 7: Last time I saw Dickie. 630 00:36:38,613 --> 00:36:40,973 Speaker 5: Last time I saw Dickie, he was at Headingley this year, 631 00:36:41,533 --> 00:36:45,053 Speaker 5: sitting with his old mate Jeffrey Boycott on a balcony, 632 00:36:45,173 --> 00:36:45,493 Speaker 5: and he. 633 00:36:45,453 --> 00:36:48,533 Speaker 7: Looked a little tired. I got to say. It was 634 00:36:48,573 --> 00:36:50,853 Speaker 7: a balcony built for the players. 635 00:36:50,893 --> 00:36:53,573 Speaker 5: And you know how Yorkshire have had no money in 636 00:36:53,613 --> 00:36:54,413 Speaker 5: the last couple. 637 00:36:54,253 --> 00:36:58,173 Speaker 7: Of years, so who was it paid? By Dickie himself? 638 00:36:58,453 --> 00:37:01,533 Speaker 5: One hundred and twenty five thousand, And I said to him, 639 00:37:01,573 --> 00:37:07,453 Speaker 5: look Dickie Lender survivor and he laughed, he laughed, and 640 00:37:07,893 --> 00:37:10,213 Speaker 5: I've got to say for me, it's a very appropriate 641 00:37:10,293 --> 00:37:13,173 Speaker 5: memory of him, you know now anyway. 642 00:37:12,813 --> 00:37:14,413 Speaker 4: Yeah, he was certainly a generous man. 643 00:37:14,733 --> 00:37:18,533 Speaker 3: And they finished off by acknowledging Evan Gray, who sent 644 00:37:18,533 --> 00:37:20,733 Speaker 3: you a photo of Dicky with a New Zealand cap 645 00:37:20,773 --> 00:37:23,213 Speaker 3: on in the dressing room. Yeah, the Obal in nineteen 646 00:37:23,253 --> 00:37:27,613 Speaker 3: eighty six. Luckily he's got a towel wrapped around the lower. 647 00:37:27,373 --> 00:37:28,533 Speaker 4: Regions, that's all. 648 00:37:28,773 --> 00:37:31,653 Speaker 7: And a new Zealand cap on. Yeah I remember. 649 00:37:32,213 --> 00:37:34,853 Speaker 3: Yeah, So we'll put we'll put that up on the 650 00:37:35,093 --> 00:37:37,373 Speaker 3: on the front foot website, roll with a lot of 651 00:37:37,413 --> 00:37:40,253 Speaker 3: cricket to watch over the next three months. And if 652 00:37:40,293 --> 00:37:43,453 Speaker 3: you love your tea twitty cricket boy, oh boy, there's 653 00:37:43,653 --> 00:37:46,933 Speaker 3: no shortage of it, you know, it'll it'll have your 654 00:37:46,933 --> 00:37:48,133 Speaker 3: heir being ripped out of. 655 00:37:48,133 --> 00:37:49,573 Speaker 4: The top of your head moson and. 656 00:37:50,293 --> 00:37:57,733 Speaker 5: Just before here raising stuff, yeah raising, well tell you what? 657 00:37:57,893 --> 00:38:00,053 Speaker 5: Not too many heres between the three of us. Really, 658 00:38:00,093 --> 00:38:02,173 Speaker 5: I've got to say out there, that's no good at all, 659 00:38:02,253 --> 00:38:02,453 Speaker 5: is it. 660 00:38:02,453 --> 00:38:02,733 Speaker 7: Really? 661 00:38:04,013 --> 00:38:06,093 Speaker 6: You've looked after your hip. He's pretty well and we're 662 00:38:06,133 --> 00:38:06,493 Speaker 6: proud of you. 663 00:38:07,573 --> 00:38:09,293 Speaker 7: It's very firmly in play. 664 00:38:09,373 --> 00:38:11,813 Speaker 5: So I looked at what Martin did several years ago 665 00:38:11,853 --> 00:38:13,013 Speaker 5: and it seemed okay to me. 666 00:38:13,613 --> 00:38:16,613 Speaker 6: Good there's just been woven properly. That's the main thing. 667 00:38:16,853 --> 00:38:20,133 Speaker 5: Friday, well, we'll be talking cricket for a while now. 668 00:38:20,253 --> 00:38:30,213 Speaker 4: So thank you, goodious guys. Lest Summer set. 669 00:38:35,893 --> 00:38:38,493 Speaker 8: For more from News Talk st B. Listen live on 670 00:38:38,613 --> 00:38:39,893 Speaker 8: air or online, and 671 00:38:40,093 --> 00:38:42,413 Speaker 1: Keep our shows with you wherever you go with our 672 00:38:42,453 --> 00:38:44,213 Speaker 1: podcasts on iHeartRadio.