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Speaker 1: Questions, answers, facts, analysis, The Drive show you trust for

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Speaker 1: the full picture. Heather Duplessylan Drive with One New Zealand

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Speaker 1: Let's Get Connected.

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Speaker 2: News talks at be Hey, Good.

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Speaker 3: Afternoon, Welcome to the show coming out today. Andrew Little

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Speaker 3: on why on earth he wants the mayoral job in Wellington.

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Speaker 3: Nikola Willis on whether she's actually cutting the Reserve Bank

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Speaker 3: funding and the boss of Wellington Water on why they're

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Speaker 3: spending rate payer money on skincare and mindfulness.

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Speaker 2: Ryan Bred Together duplessy Ellen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, not Ryan Bridge.

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Speaker 4: But thank you, Old Habits.

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Speaker 3: Thank you to Ryan Bridge. It's actually overdue. I should

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Speaker 3: say thank you to him for standing in for such

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Speaker 3: a long time. Anyway, listen, let's talk about university researchers.

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Speaker 3: I'm very happy to be corrected, but I think that

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Speaker 3: we may have a perfect example here of why university

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Speaker 3: researchers simply do not understand the real world and probably

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Speaker 3: need to spend more time in it. There are some

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Speaker 3: researchers who have been by an associate professor from Waikator

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Speaker 3: who've put out some research to do, and they're calling

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Speaker 3: for rules on junk food advertising for kids. I know

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Speaker 3: it's not even novel. We've been here a million times.

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Speaker 3: But anyway, so they want rules on junk food advertising

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Speaker 3: for kids because they've taken a look at what kids

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Speaker 3: are seeing in advertising right at bus stops, on screens,

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Speaker 3: blah blah blah, everything they reckon. Kids see twice as

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Speaker 3: much advertising for unhealthy food as they do for healthy food. Now,

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Speaker 3: I don't think that should be a surprise to these

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Speaker 3: reachers researchers, because obviously kids are going to see more

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Speaker 3: advertising for unhealthy food, which health food business is going

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Speaker 3: to waste advertising money trying to sell healthy food to kids.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I might see an ad for low calorie

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Speaker 3: potatoes and think, yeah, that's exactly what I need, something

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Speaker 3: healthy but also low calorie to help me on my

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Speaker 3: care about my my how I look and just want

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Speaker 3: to be fat the whole time. But kids don't care

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Speaker 3: about that kind of Then what kid is going to

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Speaker 3: look at an ad for crispy orange carrots and suddenly think,

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Speaker 3: you know what I need in my life, some fresh carrots.

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Speaker 3: It's not gonna happen. What these guys fail to understand fundamentally, though,

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Speaker 3: I think, is that kids don't want to buy junk

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Speaker 3: food because they see an ad for junk food. They

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Speaker 3: want to buy junk food because they're kids. Right, you

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Speaker 3: give a kid twenty bucks and you tell them go

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Speaker 3: It'll be cokes and pies. It's not gonna be water

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Speaker 3: and salads. And that's not because they saw an ad.

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Speaker 3: That's because they're kids. They don't have to see an

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Speaker 3: which crappy food they're gonna buy. Right, They're gonna they're

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Speaker 3: gonna go buy something fizzy. They might see an ad

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Speaker 3: because the kids, right, you're not gonna switch them to

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Speaker 3: The only thing that changes is, I think, is when

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Speaker 3: the parent intervens. And that's the missing part here. Parents

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Speaker 3: are the answer. Don't worry about what the kids see

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Speaker 3: because that is how the real world works.

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Speaker 3: You're welcome to way, and we're going to talk to

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Speaker 3: get a load of this. Auckland. There's a ten percent

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Speaker 3: Victoria University specializing in earthquakes and volcanoes. Is with us now, hoy, Finn, hey,

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Speaker 3: I mean ten percent in the real world is not

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Speaker 6: The volcanic field, the Auckland volcanic field, basically sits under

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Speaker 6: But when it's on the move. It doesn't hang around.

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Speaker 3: No, there's heaps of time. We can get out of

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Speaker 6: That's our I mean, I like your optimism. And it's

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Speaker 6: Yeah, maybe everyone can go up north.

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Speaker 6: No, we don't see particular evidence for that. There seems

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Speaker 6: Yeah, probably, that's what we think.

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Speaker 3: And so there's no I mean, you can't give me

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Speaker 6: It will be random. And what's difficult is that as

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Speaker 6: But then it doesn't necessarily come straight up. It can

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Speaker 3: Finn Iillsley kimp Seeing, a research fellow, Victoria University School

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Speaker 3: of Geography. How good is it? We'll get a few

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Speaker 3: Have we got have we got Wellington stories coming out

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Speaker 3: our years? Today it's a kafuffle down there. Lots of

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Speaker 3: texts coming through on Andrew Little, Heather. Just when you

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Speaker 8: Hello, Darcy, Hi, Heather A bit Carmen, now big your

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Speaker 8: pardon a bit, Karmen.

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Speaker 3: Now you have calmed down someone Now that the joy.

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Speaker 8: And excitement of having you back on the hot seat

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Speaker 3: I thought it was just because it was hump day.

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Speaker 9: You do know I have a Saturday morning program, don't you.

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Speaker 3: And I feel like you're starting that long.

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Speaker 8: How good a public holiday that I actually get to take?

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Speaker 3: We know it's a half day, but it's not a

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Speaker 8: Because Monday a terrible because I don't work Monday, so

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Speaker 3: No, you'll have a good run this this year because

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Speaker 3: you'll have Anzac Day, but you also have Easter Friday.

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Speaker 9: ones that I'm going to shoup about this. I'm going

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Speaker 9: to get sacked. People are absolutely tired of it. Let's

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Speaker 3: Most people don't feel sorry for you because.

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Speaker 4: You have no.

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Speaker 8: I I do speaking of me, and it is yeah

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Speaker 8: coming back. Remember she got beaten by Alix Scottney, and

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Speaker 9: But oween to England just didn't work.

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Speaker 8: She got beaten up and she got beaten up badly,

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Speaker 8: she was sick. She had pneumonia. She's got healthish, she's

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Speaker 8: Not only did she get beaten up externally, she got

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Speaker 8: beaten up. Don't you have it by not wearing the

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Speaker 9: Cutting was no good for me.

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Speaker 8: Lydia Co won't retire because that's just another medal for

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Speaker 8: I believe that's what they're going to lose use. But

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Speaker 8: I have found one of the funniest stories there is

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Speaker 9: I don't know what you think.

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Speaker 8: About this Tennis stars Sorry, after calling for smelly opponent

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Speaker 3: It is can you tell her to teldridd It's Harriet

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Speaker 3: She smells really bad? But it's the worst sledge in

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Speaker 9: No, everyone does that, don't.

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Speaker 3: Well, she's stink at sledge and it's also stink at

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Speaker 9: But she didn't wear the odor. And in a restaurant

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Speaker 9: Had to be had with management.

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Speaker 8: Ah, could you do something?

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Speaker 9: No, he said it was a French storm. I'm I'm

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Speaker 3: It was an experiencing story. I send it to me

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Speaker 3: and I say fat. Darcy water Grave, sports talk host

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Speaker 1: Moving the big stories of the dard It's Heather Duples

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Speaker 1: Drive with One New Zealand Let's get connected news talks

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Speaker 1: that'd be it.

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Speaker 3: Got to the bottom of how the golf is gonna work,

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Speaker 3: You choose the best, the best of the two, and

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Speaker 4: Heather, if it was like me and Lydia co it

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Speaker 3: I think it's a future for you there, just clearly

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Speaker 1: Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive with one New Zealand let's get

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Speaker 11: That'd be.

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Speaker 10: Heather.

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Speaker 3: I would take Andrew Little over Tori Fano any day

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Speaker 3: of the week. She will know it's all over for her.

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Speaker 12: Now.

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Speaker 3: I think probably everybody.

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Speaker 3: After five o'clock there is also listen to something and

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Speaker 3: we're going to talk to Nichola Willis about this after

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Speaker 2: It's the world wires on news dogs. They'd be dry now.

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Speaker 3: The Wall Street Journal is reporting that the US plans

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Speaker 13: The ball is in China's court. China needs to make

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Speaker 3: Indonesia says there is no need to worry about any

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Speaker 14: What we saw yesterday was Peter Dutton doing what he

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Speaker 14: up to eleven, but in this case being quite reckless,

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Speaker 3: And finally, a Fox News host has tried to teach

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump a little bit of Spanish. Sir President, I'd

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Speaker 3: like to teach you how to say let's make America

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Speaker 3: US President gave it his best shot, but didn't quite

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Speaker 4: America grande tras I.

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Speaker 3: So let's listen one more time and then we're all

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Speaker 3: going to try it. Almost say that America. Yeah cool, okay.

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Speaker 1: International Correspondence with ends and eye Insurance Peace of mind

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Speaker 1: for New Zealand business.

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Speaker 3: Go on, Dan, Dan Mitchison, US corresponding, you do it?

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Speaker 3: Welcome back, Thanks very much, Dan. Why do they speak

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Speaker 3: it but you don't speak it? And do they speak

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Speaker 3: it behind you, back in front of you?

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Speaker 5: They don't. And that's the that's the frustrating thing. My

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Speaker 5: wife speaks it so well, my daughter does to even

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Speaker 5: my son. Nobody wants to speak it when we go

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Speaker 5: out to public, or to a to a Mexican restaurant,

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Speaker 5: or when we're down in in in the southern part

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Speaker 5: of Mexico. So it is kind of frustrating.

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Speaker 3: Well then that I was speaking it to.

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Speaker 5: Nobody. They just wanted to learn another language.

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Speaker 3: They're speaking it inside to themselves.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, basically, yeah, you don't use.

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Speaker 3: It, you're gonna lose it, exactly. Okay, Now, this business

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Speaker 3: with sending the homegrowns to El Salvador, is he.

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Speaker 10: Serious about it?

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I think so.

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Speaker 5: I mean, that's what he said to the president of

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Speaker 5: l L Salvador, who he spoke with yesterday at the

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Speaker 5: at the White House, and he's still talking about it today.

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Speaker 5: He says they'd have to build five more places to

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Speaker 5: hold all the new arrivals. And you know, he's talked

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Speaker 5: about this now and he being in President Trump and

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Speaker 5: he says these would be violent people. But I think

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Speaker 5: this would be a big I mean, he can talk

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Speaker 5: about it, but this would be a huge violation of

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Speaker 5: our constitution and a huge violation for the administration to

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Speaker 5: send anybody that was born here forcibly to a prison overseas.

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Speaker 6: So it is it is.

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Speaker 5: In fact, he the President signed up a law of

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Speaker 5: his own during his first term, saying that you can't

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Speaker 5: do this. So I don't know why he would why

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Speaker 5: he would go back on it.

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Speaker 3: Well, was this Donald Trump?

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Speaker 10: Is this?

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Speaker 3: I mean? Is he actually The thing with Donald Trump

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Speaker 3: that we understand is we can't get upset about absolutely

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Speaker 3: everything that comes out of the man's mouth right until

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Speaker 3: he actually does it. So is he actually going to

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Speaker 3: do it? Or is this just half air?

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Speaker 5: No? I think this is just hot air. You know,

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Speaker 5: like a lot of people have said. For every twenty

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Speaker 5: thirty forty things that he says, maybe one or two

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Speaker 5: will actually go through. But he just likes to put

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Speaker 5: things out there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Now what about Joe Biden? Not a lot has changed,

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Speaker 3: is it?

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Speaker 2: No, it hasn't.

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Speaker 5: I mean, he's been kind of out of the spotlight

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Speaker 5: since Donald Trump stepped into office. And he gave a

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Speaker 5: speech just a short time ago to the National Conference

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Speaker 5: of Advocates for the Disabled in Chicago. A lot of

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Speaker 5: the remarks were prepared, he kind of went off script

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Speaker 5: a few times, rambled. He always spoke for about thirty

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Speaker 5: minutes or so. He was really there to warn people

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Speaker 5: the President Trump's trying to take away Social Security. President

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Speaker 5: Trump says he has no plan to do that, the

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Speaker 5: White House saying, you know, this was feeble Joe Biden

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Speaker 5: trying to speak, and you know, it was hard to

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Speaker 5: understand some of what he was saying during his appearance tonight,

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Speaker 5: which is why I think he said he will probably

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Speaker 5: continue to keep a low profile, and if we hear

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Speaker 5: much from him in the future, it'll probably be about

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Speaker 5: his presidential library or you know, when he comes out

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Speaker 5: with the book that every former president.

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Speaker 3: Seems to Yeah, okay, it doesn't look like everything's going

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Speaker 3: okay there. By the way, what what's going on with

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Speaker 3: the weed in California?

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Speaker 5: As the buzz died, Well, it kind of has you know,

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Speaker 5: four twenties coming up, which I think this year happens

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Speaker 5: to fall on Easter, so that's what's going to be coming.

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Speaker 5: Four twenties, the code name for for marijuana.

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Speaker 3: No, I know, you said four twenties coming up?

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Speaker 5: What is April twentieth, which is just a few days,

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Speaker 5: so that'll be that'll be Easter Sunday, and that'll also

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Speaker 5: be basically pot Day. So yeah, you better watch what

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Speaker 5: you get in your Easter basket. I guess this year,

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Speaker 5: but you know it used to be you just had

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Speaker 5: the hippies puffing away. Yeah, yeah, that was yeah, never mind,

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Speaker 5: you used to have the hippies smoking on the on

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Speaker 5: the pot.

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Speaker 3: What are you feeling that?

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Speaker 10: Are you?

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Speaker 3: Are you right now feeling for insinuating that somebody is

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Speaker 3: going to give me a joint in my easter a package?

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Speaker 10: No.

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Speaker 5: I could tell you that there would be a lot

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Speaker 5: more happy people if they probably had something that was

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Speaker 5: cannabis related in their easter basket and this pure sugar.

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Speaker 5: But the buzz has kind of worn off here. And

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Speaker 5: I mean the whole point of this was it was

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Speaker 5: illegal at one time, then they legalized it. They were

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Speaker 5: hoping to get all this this extra money here for

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Speaker 5: public programs in California. It's a multi billion dollar industry

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Speaker 5: of course the US here, but it just hasn't generated

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Speaker 5: the tax money. And I think businesses are finding out

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Speaker 5: that people can get it elsewhere for a lot cheaper,

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Speaker 5: and there's there's actually too much pot out there.

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Speaker 3: Well this is true. Hey, thanks very much, Dan, really

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Speaker 3: appreciate it. Dan Mitchinson now US correspondent. Right, you want

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Speaker 3: to hear from Biden. Here we go. So the significance

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Speaker 3: of this is, this is this first speech since he

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Speaker 3: left the White House, right, and he came and he

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Speaker 3: came on. Everybody thought eyes had a rest, hasn't it

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Speaker 3: because he was tired before when he was the president,

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Speaker 3: and he's at a rest. Everything is going to be okay.

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Speaker 3: And he came on stage during a Bruce Springsteen song.

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Speaker 3: But the problem is he started talking. But somebody who's

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Speaker 3: controlling them all the buttons couldn't figure out how to

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Speaker 3: turn the Bruce Springsteen song off.

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Speaker 15: Back you back, you back, You.

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Speaker 9: Girl deserve help.

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Speaker 3: They found the button and paid for most of it.

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Speaker 3: Thank god they found the button. He was still half

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Speaker 3: asleep and the rest did not do him any good.

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Speaker 9: It's about respect.

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Speaker 15: It's about being able to look your kid now and say, honey,

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Speaker 15: it's going to.

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Speaker 2: Be okay and mean it.

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Speaker 9: That's what you're all about.

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Speaker 15: That's what that's what that's what the legislation is about.

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Speaker 9: It's about dignity.

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Speaker 3: And then he did that thing. No, he used to

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Speaker 3: do that thing where he'd be like suddenly he'd remember

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Speaker 3: to wake up. He's still doing it.

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Speaker 9: Simple dignity.

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Speaker 15: Every everyone deserves to be treated with dignity, regardless of

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Speaker 15: the standard, regardless of the economics, regardless of who they are,

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Speaker 15: making sure the more than sixty million Americans we're living

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Speaker 15: with disabilities are treated with dignity.

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Speaker 9: Is that who we are as Americans?

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Speaker 10: Wow?

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Speaker 3: Okay, just wow.

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Speaker 1: Quarter two politics with centrics credit, check your customers and

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Speaker 1: get payments certainty.

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Speaker 3: And with us now, as The Herald's political editor, Thomas Cognane, Thomas, hey, Okay,

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Speaker 3: So Nikola has reigned in the spending on the Reserve Bank.

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Speaker 3: But has she actually.

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Speaker 16: Very very very good question. So the Reserve Bank, the spending,

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Speaker 16: I think inarguably has gone a wee bit nuts. For the

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Speaker 16: last few years. It was about fifty million dollars a

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Speaker 16: year in the agreement signed by the last National government

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Speaker 16: labor up to that spending to about one hundred to

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Speaker 16: one hundred and twenty million dollars a year from twenty

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Speaker 16: twenty onwards. Now things got a wee bit weird. In

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Speaker 16: twenty twenty three, the Reserve Bank got some new responsibilities

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Speaker 16: and got some additional money to compensate for those new responsibilities.

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Speaker 16: So the funding goes up to about one hundred and

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Speaker 16: sixty million and twenty three one hundred and fifty million

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Speaker 16: and twenty four to twenty five, but the bank has then,

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Speaker 16: it appears, spent an additional fifteen million dollars on top

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Speaker 16: of that, taking this year spending to two hundred million dollars.

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Speaker 16: So all of those numbers apologies for them. So if

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Speaker 16: you take that two hundred million dollars as your baseline,

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Speaker 16: then yes there's a funding cut. But if you look

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Speaker 16: back over the last of five years, then actually spending

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Speaker 16: is roughly level and might even be a wee bit

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Speaker 16: a wee bit higher. So it really depends who you're asking.

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Speaker 3: So the agreement for the last financial year was one

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Speaker 3: hundred and fifty million and nickel, and but they spent

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Speaker 3: two hundred million because they blew their budget. But now

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Speaker 3: Nichola is saying we've cut it back to one hundred

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Speaker 3: and fifty million. That's not a cut. That's level.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, that's and if that's if that's the way that

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Speaker 16: you're which I think to be honest, is that's the

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Speaker 16: way that I look at it. So I think I

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Speaker 16: think you could say she's cut it from I mean,

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Speaker 16: I've asked them for the bank, what on earth was

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Speaker 16: going on? What's going on this year? They meant to

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Speaker 16: get back to me by the end of the day,

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Speaker 16: so I guess I'll hear back from them then. But

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Speaker 16: I don't know what's going on with this two hundred

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Speaker 16: million dollars they spend this year. It's I mean, when

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Speaker 16: you think about it, you know, it wasn't two thousand

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Speaker 16: and nineteen, was not that long ago, and in twenty

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Speaker 16: nineteen everyone at the bank was fine with fifty two

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Speaker 16: million dollars. Fast forward to this year and two hundred

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Speaker 16: million dollars is what they're spending. It's it's it's it's incomprehensible.

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Speaker 16: What has happened here that the bank needs them needs

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Speaker 16: this much money? And to me, frankly, it's incredible that

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Speaker 16: the bank doesn't sort of front up a little bit

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Speaker 16: more and explain why it's spending all this money. That's

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Speaker 16: some of it is necessary. I think with the deposit

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Speaker 16: takers stuff that they're changing, there is some some reason

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Speaker 16: behind it. But quadrupling the amount of spending, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know either. And why did Adrian all

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Speaker 3: quit over this? I mean, this is hardly if he's

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Speaker 3: maintaining that the extraordinary level of funding that the Reserve

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Speaker 3: Bank has got, Whydey pack a Tandy and pack off.

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Speaker 16: Well, I mean the other, the other, I mean the

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Speaker 16: interesting The other interesting thing with this agreement today is

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Speaker 16: that the bank wanted a billion dollars over a billion

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Speaker 16: dollars over five years, and Nicola Willis peered them back

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Speaker 16: to about seven hundred and fifty million dollars, So the

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Speaker 16: bank wanted even more money. It is there is, of course,

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Speaker 16: the irony here is is that there is an institution

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Speaker 16: in New Zealand which is meant to ensure that there

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Speaker 16: is price stability and that you don't need more and

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Speaker 16: more money every year just to stand still. And that institution.

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Speaker 3: Is the Reserve Bank. Wow, that's the reserve bank.

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Speaker 10: Good point.

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Speaker 3: So okay, this is the thing I don't understand. So

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Speaker 3: the Marty party comes up with its latest cooked idea,

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Speaker 3: which is that Marty people should be able to take

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Speaker 3: the pension and therefore retire ten years before everybody else.

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Speaker 3: The question is asked of labor, what do you make

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Speaker 3: of it? And labor goes, I'm not saying yet, why

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Speaker 3: don't they just kill it?

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Speaker 4: Kill the odea?

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Speaker 16: It's terrible, it is, it is, it is an I

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Speaker 16: think this idea is also difficult to get your head around.

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Speaker 16: I mean, Willie Jackson was actually asked it a few

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Speaker 16: weeks ago by by Orderly Young and he said it

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Speaker 16: would cause division and wasn't a good idea and he

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Speaker 16: didn't want to go down that route. So so one

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Speaker 16: one Labor person has actually said they don't want to

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Speaker 16: do it. Barbara Edmonds, I think today, was in that

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Speaker 16: in that story saying.

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Speaker 3: That he's not making policy upright, he's not.

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Speaker 16: Making policy up right now, which I'm not sure how

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Speaker 16: tenable that is. I mean, barbar Edmonds as well last

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Speaker 16: week in the House was asking Nicola Willis will she

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Speaker 16: rule out and come testing the best start payment? Will

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Speaker 16: she rule out and come testing the winter energy payment?

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Speaker 16: So you know, Barbara Edmonds is starting to play the

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Speaker 16: rule out game with Nikola Willis, the Finance Minister. But

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Speaker 16: she's not so keen on playing it when people start

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Speaker 16: to ask her to rule out coalition partner promises. And

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Speaker 16: this one is, as you say, this one's an easy

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Speaker 16: one to rule out. Labor can't find four billion dollars

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Speaker 16: to do this idea. Regardless of whether whether or not

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Speaker 16: you think it's fair, there is not four billion dollars

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Speaker 16: lying around to spend, you know, not just this year,

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Speaker 16: but every year going forward to the future. Four billion dollars.

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Speaker 16: That is that is an enormous amount of money. It's

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Speaker 16: it's huge, I think. I think it's it would be

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Speaker 16: roughly comparable, I think to our justice spending at the moment,

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Speaker 16: our law and order spending. It's money that you cannot

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Speaker 16: find down the back of the couch. I really don't

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Speaker 16: know why Labors why I was opted to be ambiguous

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Speaker 16: on that one. Because it's not going to happen. I

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Speaker 16: can tell you right now, come election time, it just

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Speaker 16: ruled out. It won't happen.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Thomas. We'll talk to you again tomorrow. Look

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Speaker 3: after yourself. That's Thomas Coglin, The Herald's political editor, Heather.

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Speaker 3: Did you notice that the President of our Salvador wasn't

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Speaker 3: wearing a tie when he visited the White House? It

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Speaker 3: looks like the reporters there didn't. Did you notice that

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Speaker 3: the President of our Salvador is a hot bait seven

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Speaker 3: away from five.

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newsmakers the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 17: Looks like the government's winning on the crime front. These

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Speaker 17: new stats from the Victims of Crime Survey show the

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Speaker 17: goal of producing victims by twenty thousand has been beaten

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Speaker 17: that Justice Minister Paul Goldsmith, who's with us.

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Speaker 18: It's twenty eight thousand since October twenty three when the

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Speaker 18: government came in, and that's when there was the baseline

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Speaker 18: for the figure. So we wanted to reduce the overall

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Speaker 18: number of victims of crime by twenty thousand from that

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Speaker 18: figure that it was, which was one hundred and eighty

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Speaker 18: five thousand New.

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Speaker 2: Zealanders a year of being victims of violent crime.

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Speaker 18: So rather than twenty were gone down twenty eight, which

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Speaker 18: is very encouraging, and it's good news that we promised

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Speaker 18: to restore law and order and we're making good progress

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Speaker 18: on that.

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Speaker 17: Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 17: the Rain drove of the laugh News Talk ZB.

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Speaker 3: Here the gist of thumbs up for your suggestion to

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Speaker 3: enable one to get to sleep the other night at

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Speaker 3: one hundred percent works. Tried it twice now and it

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Speaker 3: worked both times. You're welcome. If you didn't catch this,

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Speaker 3: this is worth repeating. If you didn't catch this, that

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Speaker 3: got this from the research. It's just not just out

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Speaker 3: of my own brain and I tried it the other

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Speaker 3: night our one hundred percent.

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Speaker 7: It works.

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Speaker 3: What you want to do is just randomly think of

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Speaker 3: words and it puts you to sleep. So I'll tell

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Speaker 3: you again, think of a word like panic, and then

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Speaker 3: take each letter and come up with as many words

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Speaker 3: starting with that letter. So panic, you p you go peep, pens, pencils, promises,

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Speaker 3: pawn and then you go to a Apple's asses asking

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Speaker 3: like you just and you work your ware. N I see, honestly,

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Speaker 3: you'll fall asleep so quickly because it is so unbelievably

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Speaker 3: boring and it does work. Wellington now I need to

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Speaker 3: talk to you about what's going on in Wellington's We're

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Speaker 3: a bunch of weird stuff going on in Wellington. Wellington Water,

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Speaker 3: which is the beleaguered water people, obviously, the people who

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Speaker 3: are constantly asking for more money. They've been asked for

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Speaker 3: a list of contractors. There's some very interesting names on

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Speaker 3: the list of contractors that they're spending their money on.

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Speaker 3: They spend some money on the well Being Workshop, which

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Speaker 3: runs well being workshops, webinars and online courses. They spent

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Speaker 3: some money at the skin Clinic, the Skin Institute. They

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Speaker 3: spent some money at the dietitians and nutritionists at Mission Nutrition,

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Speaker 3: also Mindfulness Works which does mindfulness and mediation, and what

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Speaker 3: appears to be a Bay of Plenty based avocado and

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Speaker 3: orchard care service. We don't know how much money they

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Speaker 3: spent and we don't know what they're spending the money on.

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Speaker 3: But we're going to have a chat to the boss

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Speaker 3: at Wellington Water will be with us. Just have the

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Speaker 3: half past five. This is not a good look for him,

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Speaker 3: is it. But on the subject of Wellington, Andrew Little

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Speaker 3: wants the big old job there the mayor. He's going

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Speaker 3: to be with us straight after the news and then

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Speaker 3: Nichola Willison why she's giving the Reserve Bank more money?

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Speaker 3: Newsti CB.

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Speaker 2: Digging through the spin to find the real story.

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Speaker 1: Oring It's Heather Dups on drive with One New Zealand

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Speaker 1: Let's get connected News.

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Speaker 3: Talks V well Good afternoon. Wellington's worst kept secret is out.

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Speaker 3: Former labor leader Andrew Little wants to become the city's man.

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Speaker 3: He's with us now, Andrew, Hello, Hello, Hea, Why on

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Speaker 3: earth do you want to do this?

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Speaker 9: You look, I wasn't what I wanted to do.

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Speaker 19: At the end of last year when I was first

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Speaker 19: approached about it, I was quite happy being a lawyer,

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Speaker 19: quite enjoying it, quite enjoying being out of the public limelight.

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Speaker 9: But as time has gone on and we've seen a number.

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Speaker 19: Of issues, the airport She's issue, the failure to even

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Speaker 19: put in a bid for a regional deal with the

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Speaker 19: central government, and a number of other things, and just

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Speaker 19: talking to people, it's become pretty apparent that the councilors

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Speaker 19: have become somewhat directionless. And probably in the last three

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Speaker 19: or four weeks, I've just had so many people from

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Speaker 19: across the spectrum and from so many different sort of

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Speaker 19: backgrounds approaching me. I thought, actually, I do have to

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Speaker 19: think about this again, and I thought, actually I do

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Speaker 19: have a set of skills that I think can help,

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Speaker 19: and so I made the decision to put.

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Speaker 9: Mate in the ring.

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Speaker 3: Do you reckon you can win it?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm confident I can.

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Speaker 19: Look Ever since the premature disclosure last week, and certainly

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Speaker 19: after today, just the overwhelming feedback I've had from again,

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Speaker 19: from a whole variety of people. And when I say that,

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Speaker 19: you know, in the political specture, it's not just the

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Speaker 19: labor people, it's national people, it's Greens saying to me,

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Speaker 19: we do need to change and we need somebody who

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Speaker 19: can bring things together and give us a bit of

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Speaker 19: direction and have a serious relationship with central government, which

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Speaker 19: I'm com froment I'm capable of doing.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so what would you do about the Golden Mile?

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Speaker 3: Would you scrap it?

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Speaker 19: No, I wouldn't scrap it. The contracts have been let

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Speaker 19: for the first part that's can have to go. My

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Speaker 19: concern is that right now the Wellington economy is pretty fragile,

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Speaker 19: protective for retail and hospitality, and the project will cause

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Speaker 19: major disruptions. I'm of the view that we just those

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Speaker 19: businesses just cannot absorb that level of disruption. We don't

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Speaker 19: have to do this straight away, we don't have to

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Speaker 19: do it quickly. We can do it over a longer

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Speaker 19: period of time. So I'd be saying, let's RePhase this

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Speaker 19: in a way that there's as less disruptive as possible.

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Speaker 19: But you know, it allows the central Wellington economy to

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Speaker 19: get it on its feet again as we get through

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Speaker 19: these difficult times.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so you do it, but you just do it

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Speaker 3: a little bit more slowly. What about cycle ways? Would

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Speaker 3: you keep plailing your head with that massive cycle way project?

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Speaker 19: Look what I'm not going to touch any of the

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Speaker 19: existing cycle ways and look and principle the cycle ways

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Speaker 19: are important because it means people on bikes can travel

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Speaker 19: safely around the city. I do question the implementation of

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Speaker 19: some of them. I go look at Molesworth Street. It's

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Speaker 19: now down to one lane. I'm not sure how useful

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Speaker 19: a major aterial route that gets you onto the motorways

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Speaker 19: into the western suburbs is doing that.

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Speaker 3: And likewise to do Andrew because that is I mean,

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Speaker 3: that is horrific. What's happened to Molesworth Street? So what

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Speaker 3: would you do?

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Speaker 19: Yes, I want to look at it. I mean I'm

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Speaker 19: not a fan of spending a whole lot more money

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Speaker 19: to kind of turn it all back again. I do

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Speaker 19: want to look at the rest of the program and I.

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Speaker 3: Don't want to that happened. If you were the mayor

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Speaker 3: at the time, would you let that project go ahead

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Speaker 3: in the way that it has?

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Speaker 19: No, this is the way I think that part of

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Speaker 19: the failure has been. I don't think this is a

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Speaker 19: councilor that listens, and I know it does a lot

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Speaker 19: of consultation. A comment. I've had so many times for

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Speaker 19: people to say, yeah, look, people turn up and they

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Speaker 19: have the clipboards and all the rest of them. We

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Speaker 19: talk to them, but nothing ever changes. And I think

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Speaker 19: what people feel now is that this is a council

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Speaker 19: that sort of goes through the motions, but it doesn't listen.

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Speaker 19: And I would want to lead a counselor that says, right,

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Speaker 19: we're going to do something and it's going to be big.

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Speaker 19: Tell us how you think it should go, tell us

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Speaker 19: you know what the impact will be on you, and

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Speaker 19: let's adapt it. Let's make sure that we are putting

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Speaker 19: people on the back for it and causing congestion and

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Speaker 19: disruption and all the rest of it. Because I'm confident

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Speaker 19: there are ways of doing these things that can meet

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Speaker 19: multiple objectives. But we've got to take people with us,

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Speaker 19: because I don't think people have had a chance to

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Speaker 19: sort of.

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Speaker 9: Get into it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Andrew, listen, good luck and thank you very much

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Speaker 3: for talking to us. Is Andrew Little, Wellington's mayoral candidate.

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Speaker 2: To Heather do for see us.

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Speaker 3: So the Reserve Bank's getting a funding boost. It's five

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Speaker 3: year budget is going to go from six hundred and

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Speaker 3: forty million dollars to seven hundred and fifty million dollars. Now,

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Speaker 3: this is interesting because this is the reason that Adrian

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Speaker 3: or apparently quit because he wanted more money. Finance Minister

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Speaker 3: Nichola Willis is with us. Now, Hey, Nikola, Hi, why

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Speaker 3: are you giving them more?

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Speaker 20: Well, that's not quite right, Heather. You're basing that on

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Speaker 20: a release from the Taxpayers Union and not for the

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Speaker 20: first time. They haven't got their facts quite in a row.

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Speaker 20: So the Reserve Bank requested initially a billion dollars for

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Speaker 20: the coming five years. We've paed that back to seven

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Speaker 20: hundred and fifty million. Now, when you compare their funding profile,

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Speaker 20: what's been happening is it's been increasing every year such

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Speaker 20: that in the current year they were budgeting to spend

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Speaker 20: two hundred million. We've said, actually next year one hundred

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Speaker 20: and fifty million. One hundred and fifty million is twenty

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Speaker 20: five percent less than two hundred million. It's fifty million less.

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Speaker 20: And what's more, not just are we taking it back

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Speaker 20: to that figure, but we're saying we want you to

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Speaker 20: stop this pattern of the number escalating every year. We

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Speaker 20: want that to hold steady, but has to require restraint.

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Speaker 3: Wasn't the funding agreement for the twenty twenty four to

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty five year just one hundred and forty nine

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Speaker 3: million dollars. They just managed to save fifty million dollars

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Speaker 3: across the previous twenty so it's actually the head it

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Speaker 3: back to exactly the same amount as the last financial year.

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Speaker 20: What you're omitting is the fact that the agreement was

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Speaker 20: then increased in twenty twenty three. So in addition to

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Speaker 20: what they agreed back in twenty twenty, they came back

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Speaker 20: for seconds in twenty twenty three, added another forty eight

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Speaker 20: million to the operating budget that year, and then another

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Speaker 20: thirty million the following year.

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Speaker 3: So those did that not take that to one hundred

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Speaker 3: and fifty that I'm talking about.

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Speaker 20: Well, that was additional to what they had previously agreed

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Speaker 20: under the five year agreement. They came back for more

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Speaker 20: in twenty twenty three, meaning by the time they got

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Speaker 20: to this year, the budgeted spending was two hundred million,

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Speaker 20: taking the combination of the five year agreement and the

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Speaker 20: increases that Robertson granted them. So we've said, okay, let's

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Speaker 20: start again. Let's take that two hundred million figure that

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Speaker 20: you've got yourselves to peer it back to something more

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Speaker 20: sensible one hundred and fifty million, and then let's hold

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Speaker 20: that steady over time rather than continuing this.

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Speaker 3: Collect why not harder? I mean this is this is consistently.

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Speaker 3: The problem that I have with your government is that

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Speaker 3: you guys, you'd tinker right, you could take I mean,

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Speaker 3: these guys are spending three times what they spent in

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Speaker 3: twenty fifteen. Ten years ago, they were spending fifty million.

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Speaker 3: Now they're spending one hundred and fifty million. If you

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Speaker 3: wanted to, you could slash properly. Why don't you?

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Speaker 20: Well, because they do have very important statutory functions there

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Speaker 20: to deliver monetary policy, stable inflation. They've also had we're

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Speaker 20: going to be fair financial stability.

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Speaker 3: They were doing it okay with two hundred and twenty

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Speaker 3: five employees only six years ago. Now they've got six

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Speaker 3: hundred and sixty. That's bloated.

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Speaker 20: That is bloated. And that is why I have delivered

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Speaker 20: a twenty five percent That is why, Heather, I've delivered

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Speaker 20: a twenty five percent funding reduction. And to put this

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Speaker 20: in context, when we negotiated this between the Treasury and

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Speaker 20: the Reserve Bank Board, their starting position was they wanted

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Speaker 20: a billion bucks. We've got them back to seven hundred

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Speaker 20: and even point.

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Speaker 3: Starting ten billion doesn't mean you have to worry.

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Speaker 20: Second, the second point that's very important here is that

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Speaker 20: the Treasury's view was that the lowest number that they

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Speaker 20: would have comfort with was seven hundred and twenty million.

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Speaker 20: So we put that to the Bank and they said,

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Speaker 20: we think that that would curtail our ability to deliver

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Speaker 20: our very important core statutory functions around financial stability and

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Speaker 20: monetary policy. I want to look everyone in the eye

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Speaker 20: in New Zealand, in our international markets and say the

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Speaker 20: Reserve Bank is getting enough funding to do its statutory functions. Well,

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Speaker 20: that's an important undertaking for me to be able to make,

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Speaker 20: and I'm satisfied that this figure puts me in the

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Speaker 20: position to make that commitment. That's the balance that we've struck.

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Speaker 3: Nicola, as always, thank you so much for your time.

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Speaker 2: Z Keller do for cels.

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Speaker 3: Eighteen past five. Now listen, I'm gonna come back to

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Speaker 3: the business with Nicola Willis. First, though, we got to

944
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Speaker 3: deal with this junk food advertising. So university research is

945
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Speaker 3: a calling for rules restricting how much junk food advertising

946
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Speaker 3: kids can see, because what they found is that kids

947
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Speaker 3: see twice as many ads for unhealthy food as they

948
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Speaker 3: do for healthy food. Lisa's i Morninger is one of

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Speaker 3: the co authors of the reviewing with us. Now, Hey,

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Speaker 3: leg Sir Kilder, Do we actually think that the advertising

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Speaker 3: leads to poor decisions from kids? Or do kids just

952
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Speaker 3: make poor decisions because they kids and they're going to

953
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Speaker 3: buy junk food because they kids?

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Speaker 10: I think both are true.

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Speaker 21: But you know the best evidence for how effective junk

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Speaker 21: food advertising is is how much money junk food companies

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Speaker 21: spend on advertising.

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Speaker 10: It's clearly effective.

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Speaker 21: And we do know that from all sorts of research

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Speaker 21: that the more kids see adverts for unhealthy food, the

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Speaker 21: more likely it is that they go on.

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Speaker 10: To consume them. How do we that's when we compare

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Speaker 10: different types of kids.

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Speaker 3: But how do I know that? I mean, because it

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Speaker 3: seems to me that kids just buy junk food because

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Speaker 3: the kids, right, you get you give kids, I don't know,

967
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Speaker 3: give a kid ten bucks, so go and buy whatever

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Speaker 3: you want. They're not going to come back with a

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Speaker 3: salad and the water, are they?

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Speaker 10: No, they're not.

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Speaker 21: But you know, we would have bought lollies and things

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Speaker 21: when we were kids and we had the autonomy to

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Speaker 21: do it. I think today though, there are just so

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Speaker 21: many ads out there and so many options for kids

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Speaker 21: that you know, it's really hard to not want to

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Speaker 21: spend that money on food, Like kids don't always need

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Speaker 21: a snack, you know, there are other things that you

978
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Speaker 21: could spend your money on, Yeah, aren't there if you wanted,

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Speaker 21: like toys and things like that. But we know that

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Speaker 21: the more they see junk food advertising, the more likely

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Speaker 21: it is that they're going to spend it on unhealthy food, right, Okay,

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Speaker 21: and it makes them want it more, right, So is

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Speaker 21: the solution though?

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Speaker 3: Actually I just wonder if we're targeting the right thing here,

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Speaker 3: would the smartest thing not be to target the parents

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Speaker 3: because it's actually what parentcy that really is. It leads

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Speaker 3: to the outcomes for kids.

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Speaker 7: Right.

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Speaker 22: Uh?

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Speaker 3: I mean three year example, my three year old is

991
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Speaker 3: not going to have KFC because he sees a KFC AD.

992
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Speaker 3: He's going to have KS because I see a cafc AD.

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Speaker 10: Yes, that's true.

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Speaker 21: But at some point, you know, as a parent, you

995
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Speaker 21: will want to do this. You want to encourage your

996
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Speaker 21: child to develop their own independence. So we do start

997
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Speaker 21: loosening the apron string. So you know, three year old,

998
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Speaker 21: it's what they're eating, is what the parents are giving them.

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Speaker 21: By the time they're ten, they're walking to primary school.

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Speaker 21: You know, we want our kids to have the confidence

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Speaker 21: to go into shops and buy things. So it's you know.

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Speaker 3: Do you think if that ten years old walking to

1003
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Speaker 3: the past the supermarket, they're going to go in and

1004
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Speaker 3: buy a nice, healthy snack.

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Speaker 21: My kids walk to intermediate school at tea. No, I

1006
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Speaker 21: don't think I'm going to But you know that pressure,

1007
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Speaker 21: that constant saturation and you're hid in your mind of

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Speaker 21: the fact that there are delicious things out there, does

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Speaker 21: encourage us to buy them.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I think that does work to make us want them.

1011
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Speaker 3: Well, I take your point. They don't need to spend

1012
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Speaker 3: money on junk food. They could spend it on toys,

1013
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Speaker 3: but they spend it on junk food, and said Lisa,

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Speaker 3: thanks very much, appreciate Lisa to the morning at whos

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Speaker 3: Massy University, Professor of Marty Health and Nutrition five twenty.

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Speaker 1: Two, informed inside into today's issues. It's hither duplicy Ellen

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Speaker 1: drive with one New Zealand let's get connected news talks.

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Speaker 3: That'd be right, five twenty four. I'm getting a lot

1019
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 3: of texts. I've got to be honest with you. Surprising

1020
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 3: number of texts saying that no, saying no to Andrew

1021
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,919
Speaker 3: Little obviously coming out of Wellington, But I I reckon

1022
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Speaker 3: Wellington would be lucky to have Andrew Little as the mayor,

1023
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 3: given some of the clowns they've had in that job

1024
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 3: of late, don't you think. I mean, you might not

1025
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Speaker 3: agree with everything that Andrew Little did while he was

1026
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 3: in government, particularly as the Health Minister, and you might

1027
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Speaker 3: not like his policy positions. You might not like the

1028
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Speaker 3: fact that he's going to carry on with the Golden Mile,

1029
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Speaker 3: but at least he's competent, which is not something you

1030
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Speaker 3: can say about everybody who's running for mayor at the moment.

1031
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,280
Speaker 3: I mean, he was widely considered one of the safest

1032
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Speaker 3: pair of hands in the Adern administration. He is a

1033
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Speaker 3: very smart guy. He's a lawyer. He's a serious and

1034
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Speaker 3: professional person who can manage relationships. Even if his alter

1035
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 3: ego and AnGR Andy comes out, you can still have

1036
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Speaker 3: the argument to have a beer with him afterwards immediately.

1037
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Speaker 3: That puts him a cut above many of the people

1038
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Speaker 3: who are running for mayor at the moment and many

1039
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Speaker 3: of the people who've been in mayor in recent years,

1040
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 3: and definitely makes him a better candidate than the disaster

1041
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 3: that is Tory Fano, who frankly I would not trust

1042
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Speaker 3: with answering the phones at work, never mind running the

1043
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Speaker 3: capital city of this country. If I was to better

1044
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 3: on it, I would say that Andrew Little will win

1045
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 3: the selection. I mean, obviously, never underestimate Wellington's ability to

1046
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 3: not elect the best person, because it's got the stupid

1047
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:53,720
Speaker 3: voting system and it also appears to be weirdly wedded

1048
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Speaker 3: to choosing terrible candidates. But if things work like they

1049
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 3: should in a democracy, I would say at this that

1050
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Speaker 3: it's his to lose. He's Labor so he should win,

1051
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 3: and well known Labor so he should win some left

1052
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:08,720
Speaker 3: votes there. He's a smart lawyer, feels like he sits

1053
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Speaker 3: to the right of the Labour Party, so he should

1054
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 3: probably comfort some right wing voters. He's got name recognition

1055
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Speaker 3: and he's not an idiot, so the gap between him

1056
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Speaker 3: and a lot of the other candidates at the moment

1057
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Speaker 3: is massive. Now, even if he's not your cup of tea,

1058
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Speaker 3: I will remind you he's not an idiot, so Wellington

1059
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Speaker 3: would be lucky to have him.

1060
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Speaker 2: Heather duper Cy Ellen here the why are.

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Speaker 3: You going so hard? At Nicola. Have you forgotten how

1062
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 3: bad Grant was? Give her a break, mate, She's actually

1063
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 3: doing a fantastic job. Well, this is where we're going

1064
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Speaker 3: to have a debate about it.

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Speaker 22: Is she doing a fantastic job?

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Speaker 3: Now? Nicola was saying to us, Oh, look, you know,

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Speaker 3: don't forget they was that they were the money was upgraded,

1068
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Speaker 3: and then it became their added thirty thirty million, and

1069
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Speaker 3: they added forty million, and it became massive. I'm just

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Speaker 3: going to tell you that my numbers were correct. They

1071
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Speaker 3: did upgrade the money for the twenty four to twenty

1072
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Speaker 3: five financial year in twenty twenty three two one hundred

1073
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Speaker 3: and fourteen nine million dollars. When they upgraded it to

1074
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 3: one hundred and forty nine million dollars. That was the

1075
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Speaker 3: budget that was set for the Reserve Bank for the

1076
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Speaker 3: last financial year. Nikola has just slashed the budget of

1077
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Speaker 3: one hundred and forty nine million dollars to one hundred

1078
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Speaker 3: and fifty million dollars. Is that a funding cut? No,

1079
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Speaker 3: that's not a funding cut. So I don't know. Look,

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Speaker 3: I'm just I just think that most of us can

1081
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Speaker 3: agree that the country's finances are quite stuffed at the moment.

1082
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Speaker 3: And I don't know about you, but when my finances

1083
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 3: are stuff, boy, when I start making cuts and make

1084
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Speaker 3: some deep cuts, I don't upgrade. So I feel like

1085
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Speaker 3: what I want from these nats at the moment is

1086
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Speaker 3: go hard. Pair the numbers, back slash the budgets. Don't

1087
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Speaker 3: do this nonsense of pretend that you've cut it when

1088
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 3: you add in. I can see through that stuff. Newstalk,

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Speaker 3: said bd.

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Speaker 2: On the iHeart app.

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Speaker 1: And in your car on your drive home, it's hither

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Speaker 1: duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's get connected.

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Speaker 3: News Talk, said Bunny Plenty yesterday. Trump and AS tariffs

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Speaker 3: could possibly lead to lower interest rates. A and Z

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Speaker 3: has just piped up with exactly what they think is

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Speaker 3: going to happen to someone. Run you through that. We'll

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Speaker 3: talk to Sharon Zolna after six and the huddle is

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Speaker 3: standing by very shortly right now. It's twenty four away

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Speaker 3: from six.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 3: I was telling you earlier that Wellington Water has released

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Speaker 3: a list of all of its contractors and turns out

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Speaker 3: they've spent some money in some pretty interesting places on skincare,

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Speaker 3: mindfulness and nutritionists. Pat Doherty is the chief executive of

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Speaker 3: Wellington water, Hay, Pat, Why are you guys spending money

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Speaker 3: on skincare and nutritionists?

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Speaker 7: Look, that's about the well being, health and well being

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Speaker 7: of our staff. It's all part of being a good

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Speaker 7: employer and looking after them.

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Speaker 22: Is it?

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Speaker 7: And look, yes it is. I mean a good employer.

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Speaker 7: These days, good staff are hard to find. You want

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Speaker 7: to attract them and keep them. Look, we can't afford

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Speaker 7: to pay compete with some of the high playing contract

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Speaker 7: so it's important that we show that we're a caring employer.

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Speaker 7: And sometimes these sorts of initiatives spread across the number

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Speaker 7: of staff. We have a cheap at the price.

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Speaker 3: I could just run me through it. So what exactly

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Speaker 3: are you spending the money on? At the skincare clinic?

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Speaker 7: That was skin checks for checking for skin cancer. I

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Speaker 7: mean a lot of our staff work outside, so that's

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Speaker 7: just about the welfare.

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Speaker 3: Of us okay. And the nutritionists.

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Speaker 7: That was a series of workshops for our off staff

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Speaker 7: and our depot staff about healthy eating okay.

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Speaker 3: And then the mindfulness is just like you just get

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Speaker 3: the mind for the fullness people and to relax your stuff, do.

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Speaker 7: You That was a conference workshop fee for some of

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Speaker 7: our people to go to a mental health awareness as

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Speaker 7: part of a mental health awareness week. It was a

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Speaker 7: workshop on it. I mean to put this in context.

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Speaker 7: The full list of suppliers last year we spent just

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Speaker 7: done four hundred and sixty six million dollars, and the

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Speaker 7: ones that are attracting attention here we spent a total

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Speaker 7: of thirty five thousand dollars. I mean, one that was

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Speaker 7: highlighted was Dive and Ski Limited. What are we spending

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Speaker 7: the money there for? Well, that for swapping up the

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Speaker 7: chlorin bottles? Are the oxygen bottles? Are operating apparatus that

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Speaker 7: we use when we're swapping up chlorin drums and our

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Speaker 7: treatment plants. Not too sixty at all? Really?

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Speaker 3: Okay, thirty five thousand for how many staff.

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Speaker 7: Four hundred and fifty.

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Speaker 3: I'm just getting out my calculated I'm not going to

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Speaker 3: pretend that I can do that in my brain because

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Speaker 3: it's about seventy eight bucks per per staff member. Look

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Speaker 3: pat for your explanation. Obviously washes and it sounds fine,

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Speaker 3: But given that you guys are asking for so much

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Speaker 3: money from rate payers, do you reckon? Rate payers are

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Speaker 3: going to be thrilled that this is what the money's

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Speaker 3: being spent on, not on fixing the pipes.

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Speaker 7: Look, it's frustrating that we should have released these numbers

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Speaker 7: right from the start and probably wouldn't have a trade

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Speaker 7: for so much attention. That was an error and they'll

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Speaker 7: be released very soon. But we have we have been

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Speaker 7: painfully transparent with our and our shareholders over the last

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Speaker 7: five or six months, acknowledging that we're not getting value

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Speaker 7: for money. But when the savings are that be had

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Speaker 7: is in the money we spent with our contractors, our

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Speaker 7: consultants and improving our financial control.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, now listen, speaking speaking of transparency, how on earth

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Speaker 3: do you guys lose a report that warned you four

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Speaker 3: years ago that you had financial troubles?

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Speaker 7: Well, you appreciate me. Quite a change at the top

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Speaker 7: in the last last few months. So it was a

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Speaker 7: report that, to be honest, I didn't know about, but

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Speaker 7: have only been there five or six months.

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Speaker 3: Ye, But the change just happened in the last few months.

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Speaker 3: This thing was lost for years.

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Speaker 7: Look that I can't explain. I wasn't there then. But

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Speaker 7: good thing was some of us pointed it out to

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Speaker 7: us and we decided that will be completely transparent. We

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Speaker 7: would talk about that as well. I mean that's what

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Speaker 7: we're trying to do is here are souls. I can

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Speaker 7: tell you it's not pleasant.

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Speaker 3: Someday I can imagine. Pat. Thank you. I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Pat Doherty, Wellington Water Chief Executive. It's coming up twenty

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Speaker 3: away from six.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty the ones

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Speaker 1: with worldwide connections that perform, not promise.

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Speaker 3: On the Huddle with me. This evening got Jack Tame,

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Speaker 3: host of Q and A obviously Saturday Mornings here on

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Speaker 3: Ziby and Thomas Scringer of The Maximums Jude Hire, you too.

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Speaker 11: Keldy hit me welcome back.

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Speaker 3: Thanks very much.

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Speaker 10: Jack.

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Speaker 3: How are you finding it? You're getting some sleep?

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Speaker 11: It's yeah, year some sleep. It's the broken sleep. Hey,

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Speaker 11: it's not the lack of sleep, it's the broken sleep.

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Speaker 3: Now, I don't know what you're talking about. I don't

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Speaker 3: know what aut because I.

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Speaker 11: Feel like you've optimized parenting in a way that I

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Speaker 11: haven't needed.

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Speaker 3: I'm sleeping on a completely different level. I'm like, Dad's

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Speaker 3: up there with the baby and she only wakes up

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Speaker 3: one time a night. That's pretty pretty awesome. But I

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Speaker 3: don't even care. It's not my problem.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, you got to be ahead of us.

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Speaker 4: Well, well, I do.

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Speaker 23: I do?

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Speaker 11: I do if I've got a big day the next day.

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Speaker 11: But you know I want to be a supportive partner.

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Speaker 11: So what do you do?

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Speaker 3: You can you breastfeed? No?

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Speaker 11: But I can change nappies.

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Speaker 4: Oh, you don't change the.

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Speaker 3: Nappies in the night anymore, do you?

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Speaker 22: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: We mate, isn't he two months?

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Speaker 11: Two months?

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Speaker 3: Not cut that out immediately unless he does a pooh?

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Speaker 10: But he does do pooh?

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Speaker 3: Oh, No, you got to stop that. I don't know

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Speaker 3: how you stop a baby doing post. You've got to

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Speaker 3: have a chatter about this nonsense anyway, Tom regular Yeah, Thomas, listen,

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Speaker 3: I don't have a problem with that spend from Wellington Water,

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Speaker 3: do you. Well.

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Speaker 24: I think the principal to keep in mind is don't

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Speaker 24: commit two crimes at once. They can spend all of

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Speaker 24: these things on wellness for their employees. It might be

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Speaker 24: reasonable enough, but they're already pretty unpopular. Just reading today,

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Speaker 24: there was a stench wafting across the Wellington CBD. So

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Speaker 24: if they want to be we are seen to be

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Speaker 24: reliable to the public, things like this don't look good

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Speaker 24: when they're not delivering their core business, but the spend

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Speaker 24: per employee wasn't that high.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I kind of feel jacked like nowadays, I mean, look,

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Speaker 3: I don't get this kind of nonsense at work, like

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Speaker 3: we don't have that kind of money in the media,

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Speaker 3: But nowadays, if you're working in this kind of an

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Speaker 3: area where it's public public money, that is probably quite normal,

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Speaker 3: isn't it.

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Speaker 11: Well, I think, look, I think that there is a

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Speaker 11: balance to be had, right, and I at the start

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Speaker 11: of the interview, I was like, there is no possible

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Speaker 11: explanation for why Wellington Water has spent money on these

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Speaker 11: things that is gonna that is gonna fly. And then

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Speaker 11: as soon as pat was actually transparent about it, I

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Speaker 11: was like, well, I suppose if you staff are out

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Speaker 11: there all day every day and you've got a system

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Speaker 11: whereby they can go and get a mold check, it's

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Speaker 11: hardly like that the you know, the.

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Speaker 2: Biggest, most lucrative Yeah exactly.

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Speaker 11: It's not like a champagne brunch for three thousand people

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Speaker 11: or anything like that. But it just shows the important transparency, right,

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Speaker 11: So you know, they have a massive job on the

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Speaker 11: hands at the moment, like you say, you know, rates

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Speaker 11: and Wellington have shot up across the region. They're spending

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Speaker 11: hundreds of millions of dollars of a year a year,

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Speaker 11: and you would think that, in the interest of transparency,

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Speaker 11: would be in their interests to go through every single

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Speaker 11: little bit of expenditure with a fine tooth comb and

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Speaker 11: be one hundred percent transparent with people so that no

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Speaker 11: one gets in their head, you know, perhaps an incorrect

1254
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Speaker 11: idea that actually their rates are being flushed down the toilet.

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Speaker 11: So yeah, I think tonight, in that interview in particular,

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Speaker 11: a great example why transparency matters. You just hope that

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Speaker 11: next time we in the media don't have to keep

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Speaker 11: on asking questions and demanding transparency that actually they're a

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Speaker 11: little more proactive. And it sounds from Pat's comments like

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Speaker 11: that's what they're prepared to do and would be a

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Speaker 11: good idea.

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Speaker 3: Thomas Listen, I'm kind of surprised by the level of

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Speaker 3: vitriol that's being directed at Andrew Little. I would have

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Speaker 3: thought he would be a reason, like just the fact

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Speaker 3: that he's competent would make him a better choice for

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Speaker 3: mayor of Wellington, wouldn't.

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Speaker 7: Well.

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Speaker 24: I think what's happening here is that Labor are taking

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Speaker 24: the fight to the Greens. Chris Hopkins comes out pretty

1270
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Speaker 24: quickly and endorses Andrew Little.

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Speaker 4: He's a big name.

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Speaker 24: From Labour's front bench. There was speculation the other week

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Speaker 24: that Craig Rennie might be running for an electorate seat

1274
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:17,720
Speaker 24: next election, so Labor are wanting to cement their place

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Speaker 24: as the left party in New Zealand. So Little doesn't

1276
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Speaker 24: really have any friends from the right. He's still the

1277
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Speaker 24: Labor guy who's jumping into local politics and from the

1278
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Speaker 24: left he's cutting Torri Fano's lunch. And so he's a

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00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 24: big name. He's got a good chance to run in

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Speaker 24: but yeah, he's not going to be popular in certain sectors.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Jack, we'll get you'll take on it when we

1282
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Speaker 3: come back from the break at sixteen. Away from six

1283
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Speaker 3: the Huddle.

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Speaker 1: With New Zealand South Beast International Realty achieve extraordinary results

1285
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Speaker 1: with unparallel reach.

1286
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Speaker 3: Back with the Huddle, Jack, Tam Thomas Scrimger, Jack, this

1287
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Speaker 3: is the kind of thing I'm getting hither the issue

1288
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Speaker 3: for Andrew Litle, Lizzlthough he has a big name, many

1289
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 3: people will still be triggered by the fact that he

1290
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Speaker 3: was part of the Jasinda regime and they haven't forgotten

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Speaker 3: the current state that we're in.

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Speaker 11: What do you think, Yeah, I mean, I would say

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Speaker 11: that our dourn government had a whole lot more support

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Speaker 11: in Wellington than it might have had in other.

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Speaker 10: Parts of the country.

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Speaker 11: But it's interesting, you know, I just reckon, Yeah, Andrew

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Speaker 11: Little has already done what it's supposed to be the

1298
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Speaker 11: hardest job in New Zealand politics, which has been the

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Speaker 11: leader of the opposition. Well, I disagree. I think being

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Speaker 11: the Mayor of Wellington is the worst job in New

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Speaker 11: Zealand politics right now. But the thing is, if you

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Speaker 11: look at the current state of the council, like the

1303
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 11: role of the mayor isn't just to provide leadership, but

1304
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 11: it is to try and build consensus around that vision,

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00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 11: right and clearly for some time now there's been an

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Speaker 11: issue with that in Wellington politics. So you look at

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Speaker 11: someone like Andrew Little, he probably is much more of

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Speaker 11: a relative centrist compared to Tory fano right, So you

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Speaker 11: would say, is Andrew Little more likely to build consensus

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Speaker 11: with center right members of that council. Maybe he is.

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Speaker 11: Maybe he is. I think I think that's a good

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Speaker 11: reason to think he could be. So yeah, I actually

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Speaker 11: think you know, if Wellington voters are looking for someone

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Speaker 11: with you know, pretty extensive history in governance, but also

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Speaker 11: someone who's likely to be able to form some relationships

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Speaker 11: with either a national led or a labor lead government

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Speaker 11: in central government. Then Andrew Little might be a pretty

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Speaker 11: popular option. And you know, you got to remember to

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Speaker 11: that Wellington has the STV voting system, so it's kind

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Speaker 11: of hard to work out these things.

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Speaker 12: Yeah.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah. The other one, the one I always reckon

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Speaker 11: to watch though, Ray Chung last time. Counselor Ray Chung

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Speaker 11: last time, he did pretty well in the in the

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Speaker 11: meural contest, and you know, the early poll suggests that

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Speaker 11: he's still a pretty popular option.

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Speaker 3: So I'll tell you why that was. That was because

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Speaker 3: there was no other right wing candidate. And now there's

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Speaker 3: a there's an Andrew Little little cutters lunch because he's

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Speaker 3: kind of st that's true.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, so you've just answered the main question there. Andrew

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Speaker 11: Little probably can soak up some of that vote.

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Speaker 3: Yeah totally. Now, Thomas, listen, how much out of ten

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Speaker 3: are you loving the Mary Parties idea to give Mary

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Speaker 3: the pension ten years before everybody else.

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Speaker 24: Well, for my part, I can't really see any way

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Speaker 24: that dividing superannuation by race will be good for the country.

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Speaker 24: If you want to talk about fairness with super, that's

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Speaker 24: fair enough. Their argument is is that Mary don't live

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Speaker 24: as long as other ethnicities in New Zealand, so they

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Speaker 24: get less superannuation. Superannuation, but there are other ways to

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Speaker 24: talk about fairness. I mean, women live on average two

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Speaker 24: years longer. But even in terms of life expectancy, it's

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Speaker 24: not the best way to think about super I used

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Speaker 24: to work a manual labor job. Now I work a

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Speaker 24: fake job. When I did a manual labor job, I

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Speaker 24: couldn't do that till I'm sixty five. If I could

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Speaker 24: do what I currently do for longer than that. But

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Speaker 24: if you want to talk about fairness, I think the

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Speaker 24: argument I would put forward is go all the way

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Speaker 24: means test superannuation.

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Speaker 3: Oh stop it, Thomas, cut it.

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Speaker 24: Twenty dollars a year. It is half of all welfare

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Speaker 24: spending in the country.

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Speaker 3: Heather people new people into means testing. Are you like

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Speaker 3: you mention pension and you'll somehow manage to find a

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Speaker 3: way to talk about means testing again.

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Speaker 24: I had no idea you were such a big state

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Speaker 24: left winger wanting to give a universal benefit.

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Speaker 3: It's because I'm greedy. You should never underestimate my ability

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Speaker 3: to be greedy. I want my money back, Jack, What

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Speaker 3: do you reckon? I mean, I'll tell you what. What

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Speaker 3: perplexes me about this is like, this idea is cooked,

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Speaker 3: so obviously what Labour should do The minute they're asked

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Speaker 3: about it is be like, no, that idea is cooked,

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Speaker 3: We're not going to do it yet. Babs, who's the

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Speaker 3: finance spokesperson, is like, I'm not going to talk about it.

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Speaker 3: Why doesn't she just come?

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Speaker 9: Okay?

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Speaker 11: As for the is the idea cooked? I mean, there's

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Speaker 11: no way it's politically palerful. I think we can all

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Speaker 11: agree on that. I think the the equality versus equity argument,

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Speaker 11: especially when it comes to something like super is like

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Speaker 11: a really personent and reasonable argument to have, And if

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Speaker 11: you could have it in good faith, which I don't

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Speaker 11: think we can, I think it would be a really

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Speaker 11: good debate to have. Now, I'm not saying I support

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Speaker 11: the idea of assigning superannuation on the basis of race,

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Speaker 11: but I do wonder if you could kind of front

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Speaker 11: end the equation, so say, for example, like what is

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Speaker 11: it why is it that Mardi a dying seven years

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Speaker 11: younger on average. What can we do earlier in their

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Speaker 11: lives so that more Maudi live longer and that actually

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Speaker 11: we have something akin to a more equal life expectancy

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Speaker 11: across a multitude of New Zealand demographics. Politically, Labor's in

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Speaker 11: a really tricky position, and I just think this is

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Speaker 11: going to become more and more of a problem heading

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Speaker 11: into next year. To Party Maudi have had a whole

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Speaker 11: lot of success in terms of public support when it

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Speaker 11: comes to what is generally a pretty kind of activisty

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Speaker 11: approach to policy, Like they're pretty out there, they're pretty

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Speaker 11: activisty with some of their ideas, whether it's a Mahordi

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Speaker 11: parliament or whether it's superannuation earlier for Mardi. Labor need

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Speaker 11: to keep to Party Mahdi close enough so that they

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Speaker 11: could potentially form a government, but not so close so

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Speaker 11: that the kind of centrist New Zealand voter loses faith

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Speaker 11: than the stability of a Labor government or thinks that

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Speaker 11: they're going to be unduly influenced. So it is a

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Speaker 11: really really delicate balance and it wouldn't surprise me if

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Speaker 11: over the next week, while at least until closer to

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Speaker 11: the elite. Labor just says we're not really going to

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Speaker 11: comment on to party Malordi policy. We're going to have

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Speaker 11: our own policy. If you want labor government, vote for labor,

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Speaker 11: and you know that's going to be a harder position

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Speaker 11: to maintain the closer we get to the elect I

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Speaker 11: couldn't agree.

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Speaker 3: Well, guys, thank you very much, really appreciate it. Jack

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Speaker 3: Tame host a Q and A Saturday Morning is your

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Speaker 3: own newstorok z'd B and Thomas Scrimser of the Maximums

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Speaker 3: tut it's eight away from six.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duper Cell and Drive Full Show podcast

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Speaker 1: on my Ard Radio powered by Newstalk zeb.

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Speaker 3: Here they tell the staff needing the mole check to

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01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:31,520
Speaker 3: go and buy their own sunscreen. If I turn up

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Speaker 3: at your place hither to do maintenance and then add

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Speaker 3: on for my mole check, get a life. It won't happen. Look,

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Speaker 3: that is a fair point. But the thing about it is,

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Speaker 3: in professional workplaces nowadays, you do get like you might

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Speaker 3: not like it, and you might not think it's good spending,

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Speaker 3: and you you know, you may have a problem with it,

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Speaker 3: especially if you're Wellington rate pay. But the fact of

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Speaker 3: the matter is the stuff is normal, right, The stuff

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Speaker 3: is completely normal. I mean I can't tell you the

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Speaker 3: number of places I've worked at now where you get

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Speaker 3: like three mental health fitness checks that you're allowed to

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Speaker 3: go and get every single year, go see a counselor

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Speaker 3: three times a year. They pay for it. It got

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Speaker 3: all kinds of weird little things that they do, like that,

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Speaker 3: you know, maternity leavers paid for you know that kind of.

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Speaker 4: Blah blah blah whatever.

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Speaker 3: There's all this other extra stuff that you nowadays get.

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Speaker 3: And I mean it's not like had they gone for

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Speaker 3: a chemical like peel at the laser clinic or something

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Speaker 3: like that, I think I'd have a problem with that.

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Speaker 3: But if it's just a mold check, you know it was,

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Speaker 3: if it was botoxic collagen for the ladies, I'd have

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Speaker 3: a problem with that. But a mold check, I'm the

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Speaker 3: you know, yeah, no, it's it's kind of it's kind

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Speaker 3: of in a different I don't know, have I gone soft?

1440
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Speaker 3: It's possible. Sometimes after a baby, you have hormones and

1441
01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:34,640
Speaker 3: you sort of just get soft and then it just

1442
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Speaker 3: takes a while to harden up.

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Speaker 4: So we'll just see, maybe I'll change you minew do

1444
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Speaker 4: you catch in one of your mental health cheeks?

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Speaker 3: Maybe maybe I just need to go get one of

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Speaker 3: the mental health am I have used them all up already, actually,

1447
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Speaker 3: just trying to deal with you. So, but can I

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Speaker 3: have one of yours? No, he's holding on to it.

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Speaker 4: I think I think me and Laura have used up

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Speaker 4: that one's as well.

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Speaker 3: Sorry, trying to deal with you. No, trying to you know,

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Speaker 3: he means me.

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Speaker 10: Hey.

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Speaker 3: Speaking of the interest rates, am Z has piped up

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Speaker 3: allah what we were talking talking about yesterday, because the

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Speaker 3: Trump tariffs are going to lead to a downturn in

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Speaker 3: the economic you know, the global economic growth blah blah blah.

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Speaker 3: So as a result, inflation will be lower and everything's

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Speaker 3: going to be a bit crappy. So they are now

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Speaker 3: expecting A and Z the OCR to hit two point

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Speaker 3: five percent. It's currently at three and a half. They

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Speaker 3: were saying before it beat just three. Now they're saying

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Speaker 3: it's going to get down to two and a half.

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Speaker 3: Also downgraded their house price expectations. It was supposed to

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Speaker 3: grow by seven percent this year, now it's going to

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Speaker 3: grow by four and a half. Downgraded GDP, not by

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Speaker 3: a huge amount, but by point three for the next

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Speaker 3: couple of years and then it kind of goes up

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Speaker 3: a little bit. Anyway, we're going to talk to Sharon

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Speaker 3: Zolna about that when she's with us. Us straight out

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Speaker 3: to the news talk about bad luck. Can I just

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Speaker 3: tell you quickly, Jesus, South Island's having bad luck. Turns

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Speaker 3: out the reason that parts of the South Island don't

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Speaker 3: have Internet today is two reasons. Number one, the rats

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Speaker 3: chewed through part of the fiber cable near Dunedin. Now

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Speaker 3: why is the fiber cable rat accessible for the first

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Speaker 3: start anyway? But what are the chances if on the

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Speaker 3: day that the rats have done that, contractor up in

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Speaker 3: the area between Gore and Bellcluth also cuts through another cable.

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Speaker 3: What are the chances? Don't even start me on autopilots,

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Speaker 3: on ships, bolts on trans power pylons now cutting through

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Speaker 3: the fiber cable. Just just you know, it's New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: We have accidents, don't we buy the looks of things?

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Speaker 3: News talks at b.

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Speaker 2: Stay.

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Speaker 25: Oh aren't you I need you Olga h need.

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Speaker 2: It's beautiful keeping track of where the money is flowing.

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Speaker 2: The business hour with.

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Speaker 1: Hither Duple and Theirs Insurance and investments, Grow your wealth,

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Speaker 1: protect your future.

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Speaker 2: News talks at b.

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Speaker 3: Even coming up in the next hour. We've got your

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Speaker 3: Nativestrane's take on the Maori parties pension lunacy. We've got

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Speaker 3: Gavin Gray out of the UK, and we're going to

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Speaker 3: get you a bit of an explanation as how Trump's

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Speaker 3: farmer tariffs would work. Right now, seven past six. Now,

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Speaker 3: A and Z reckons that we're headed for lower interest

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Speaker 3: rates and we possibly previously thought. They reckon the official

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Speaker 3: cash rate will bottom out at two point five percent.

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Speaker 3: That's down from the three percent low they'd previously expected.

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Speaker 3: And just for context, it's currently setting at three and

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Speaker 3: a half percent.

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Speaker 10: Now.

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Speaker 3: Sharon Zolna is A and Z's cheap economists and with us.

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Speaker 10: Now, hey, Sharon, good evening, Why are you.

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Speaker 3: Changing your forecast? Is this because of Trump's tariffs or

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Speaker 3: is it because of our own sluggish recovery? Or is

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Speaker 3: it a bit of both, a.

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Speaker 10: Bit of both.

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Speaker 25: Yeah, So the economy is recovering, and what's encouraging is

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Speaker 25: that it's really broad based. And indeed, you know, why

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Speaker 25: wouldn't it recover because we're coming out of a recession

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Speaker 25: that was deliberately caused by higher interest rates, and rates

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Speaker 25: have come down a.

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Speaker 10: Long way, so that's the good news.

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Speaker 25: But you know, just a few data points lately have

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Speaker 25: been a bit on the soft side. The housing market's

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Speaker 25: going now where fast, The services index was pretty low.

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01:07:52,120 --> 01:07:54,880
Speaker 25: The quarterly Survey of Business Opinion suggests there's some downside

1520
01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:57,960
Speaker 25: risks to the near term GDP and that sort of thing,

1521
01:07:57,960 --> 01:08:01,520
Speaker 25: and then you've got the headwinds from offshore. Now, it's

1522
01:08:01,560 --> 01:08:04,600
Speaker 25: too soon to make any concrete judgments on what might

1523
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:07,840
Speaker 25: happen to our commodity prices or anything like that, but

1524
01:08:07,880 --> 01:08:10,440
Speaker 25: it does seem pretty likely that some pretty full on

1525
01:08:10,600 --> 01:08:12,800
Speaker 25: uncertainty is going to persist for quite a long time,

1526
01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:15,600
Speaker 25: and that in itself is actually quite a headwind for

1527
01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:19,719
Speaker 25: the likes of investment and employment if firms just hit pause.

1528
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:21,639
Speaker 25: So we think there was a bank or just needs

1529
01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:23,519
Speaker 25: to give the economy a bit more of a push

1530
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:26,120
Speaker 25: in the back to make sure it keeps moving forward.

1531
01:08:26,200 --> 01:08:28,280
Speaker 3: So what's going on with our recovery? Why is it

1532
01:08:28,320 --> 01:08:30,240
Speaker 3: so sluggish?

1533
01:08:30,320 --> 01:08:32,479
Speaker 25: Well, I think we fell into a pretty deep hole.

1534
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:35,280
Speaker 25: Maybe we broken ankle. You know the new GDP dat it, Well,

1535
01:08:35,280 --> 01:08:37,479
Speaker 25: it's not that new anymore. But the revisions to the

1536
01:08:37,479 --> 01:08:41,719
Speaker 25: GDP certainly show that it was pretty rough. Economy found

1537
01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:44,920
Speaker 25: more than one percent in each of the second and

1538
01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:48,400
Speaker 25: third quarters last year, so I think, you know, you

1539
01:08:48,439 --> 01:08:51,360
Speaker 25: do get some damage done from that sort of thing.

1540
01:08:51,400 --> 01:08:53,320
Speaker 25: So it just I think it just takes a while

1541
01:08:53,360 --> 01:08:56,240
Speaker 25: for firms to believe really that things are going to

1542
01:08:56,280 --> 01:08:58,599
Speaker 25: get better in that it is worth taking a bit

1543
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:00,680
Speaker 25: of a punt on that new employee or that new

1544
01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:05,160
Speaker 25: machine or whatever it might be. And consumers, yeah, the

1545
01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:06,920
Speaker 25: cost of living crisis is still real for many.

1546
01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:09,000
Speaker 10: Inflation has come down a long way, but prices heaven't.

1547
01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:11,760
Speaker 25: So I think maybe to some extent, consumers are waiting

1548
01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:13,880
Speaker 25: for prices to fall back to where they should be,

1549
01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:17,280
Speaker 25: but actually lower inflation just means price is still going up,

1550
01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:22,519
Speaker 25: just not as quickly. So I think that perception will persist,

1551
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:26,240
Speaker 25: perhaps even longer than the fact in terms of everything

1552
01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:27,760
Speaker 25: being unaffordable.

1553
01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:30,879
Speaker 3: Sharon, tell me what's your gut feel on the impact

1554
01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:33,360
Speaker 3: of Trump's tariffs on the global economy. Are we talking

1555
01:09:33,400 --> 01:09:36,680
Speaker 3: about freak out nineteen thirties depression stuff or are we

1556
01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:39,439
Speaker 3: talking about everything just slows down and we go backwards

1557
01:09:39,439 --> 01:09:39,880
Speaker 3: a little bit.

1558
01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:43,679
Speaker 25: Well, I'm sure we could find any lots of people

1559
01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:45,720
Speaker 25: bunding at different points on that spectrum.

1560
01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:47,479
Speaker 10: Obviously the nineteen thirties is.

1561
01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:51,400
Speaker 25: The extreme, but we have seen a lot of volatility

1562
01:09:51,400 --> 01:09:53,400
Speaker 25: in the markets. But what's actually really caused a bit

1563
01:09:53,439 --> 01:09:55,600
Speaker 25: of a freak out was the unusual behavior of the

1564
01:09:55,720 --> 01:10:00,240
Speaker 25: US bond market. So typically when equities crashed, people are

1565
01:10:00,280 --> 01:10:03,439
Speaker 25: compensated for the bond part of their portfolio. That wasn't

1566
01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:06,519
Speaker 25: the case, only for a couple of days, but that

1567
01:10:06,720 --> 01:10:09,680
Speaker 25: was just a little straw in the wind that has

1568
01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:13,080
Speaker 25: made to people jittery. So it's going to take quite

1569
01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:16,400
Speaker 25: a lot for everyone to just just just accept again

1570
01:10:16,479 --> 01:10:17,919
Speaker 25: that the US is a safe.

1571
01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:21,240
Speaker 3: Are you saying kind of Are you saying what we

1572
01:10:21,240 --> 01:10:23,120
Speaker 3: should expect is we have a bit of a slowdown,

1573
01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:25,599
Speaker 3: but there is the chance that there is the outside

1574
01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:28,120
Speaker 3: chance that we do head into like worst case scenario

1575
01:10:28,200 --> 01:10:29,719
Speaker 3: nineteen thirties depression stuff. Again.

1576
01:10:30,680 --> 01:10:32,479
Speaker 10: No, no, no, you're putting words in my mouth. I'm

1577
01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:33,519
Speaker 10: saying there is a chance that.

1578
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:39,000
Speaker 25: The markets are jitary, and so I think that is.

1579
01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:41,040
Speaker 10: Constraining policy options at the moment.

1580
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:43,760
Speaker 25: I think some lessons have been learned in the last

1581
01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:46,599
Speaker 25: week or two about you know, move fast and break

1582
01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:51,760
Speaker 25: things can have quite serious consequences, so I think they

1583
01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:54,120
Speaker 25: will tread more cautiously. But you'd be a brave person

1584
01:10:54,240 --> 01:10:57,200
Speaker 25: to be definitive about what an earth will happen next.

1585
01:10:57,200 --> 01:10:58,840
Speaker 25: But you know, for in New Zealand's case, the dairy

1586
01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:02,960
Speaker 25: prices went up, so it's really not obvious that that

1587
01:11:03,080 --> 01:11:05,880
Speaker 25: New Zealander is going to take a clobbering from this

1588
01:11:06,240 --> 01:11:06,599
Speaker 25: at all.

1589
01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:09,320
Speaker 10: But that uncertainty thing that looks unavoidable.

1590
01:11:09,400 --> 01:11:11,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, hey, Sharon, as always, thank you so much, really

1591
01:11:11,400 --> 01:11:13,840
Speaker 3: appreciate your expertise. At Sharon's olda A and Z's chief

1592
01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:17,160
Speaker 3: economists here that as a diabetic life expectancy is less

1593
01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:20,160
Speaker 3: than average, So will I qualify for an earlier pension?

1594
01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:22,599
Speaker 3: Just tell you what I do not like this game.

1595
01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:26,040
Speaker 3: I do not like this game because for once, the

1596
01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:28,439
Speaker 3: worst thing to be in this game is not a

1597
01:11:28,479 --> 01:11:32,920
Speaker 3: white man, it's a white woman. Because we are ballers

1598
01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:35,599
Speaker 3: when it comes to living, like no one lives. Oh

1599
01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:38,640
Speaker 3: maybe an Asian lady, an Asian lady might outlive me,

1600
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:41,479
Speaker 3: but like a lady, ladies love to live, we go.

1601
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:44,320
Speaker 3: We just keep going. We're like like those ever ready batteries.

1602
01:11:44,360 --> 01:11:46,360
Speaker 3: We just keep on going. So if we're going to

1603
01:11:46,439 --> 01:11:48,600
Speaker 3: play this game, I'm going to have to end up

1604
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:51,680
Speaker 3: taking a pension later, and I don't like that. I

1605
01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:54,120
Speaker 3: don't like that game at all, because I wanted it

1606
01:11:54,240 --> 01:11:56,840
Speaker 3: sixty five, if not earlier. If we started giving the

1607
01:11:56,880 --> 01:12:01,519
Speaker 3: pension to laborers because they were laborers, I would go,

1608
01:12:01,600 --> 01:12:03,559
Speaker 3: I would start, I would become a laborer. I would

1609
01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:05,880
Speaker 3: do this job until maybe like sixty and then I'd

1610
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:07,200
Speaker 3: be a laborer for a couple of years. I can

1611
01:12:07,240 --> 01:12:08,880
Speaker 3: get my pension early. That's how committed I am to

1612
01:12:08,920 --> 01:12:11,320
Speaker 3: getting that pension. So don't want to play that game. Listen,

1613
01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:13,040
Speaker 3: this is good. This blew my mind. Okay, I was

1614
01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:15,320
Speaker 3: reading the Economists this morning. I was just reading the

1615
01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:18,000
Speaker 3: Economists this morning. It's just having a little herne on

1616
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:20,400
Speaker 3: the Economist. How about you? Did you read the Economists

1617
01:12:20,439 --> 01:12:23,000
Speaker 3: like me? Yes, I'm clever. I read the Economist. So

1618
01:12:23,160 --> 01:12:25,720
Speaker 3: now that I've name dropped that, I was reading the

1619
01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:29,360
Speaker 3: Economists this morning, and I could not believe that I

1620
01:12:29,479 --> 01:12:32,360
Speaker 3: read that. Apparently in the States you can take a

1621
01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:34,600
Speaker 3: course on how to be an adult. This is a

1622
01:12:34,680 --> 01:12:37,160
Speaker 3: university course. You can actually take a course on how

1623
01:12:37,160 --> 01:12:40,200
Speaker 3: to be an adult. It's not just one. There are multiple.

1624
01:12:40,280 --> 01:12:42,200
Speaker 3: I mean we are talking about colleges, right, We're not

1625
01:12:42,240 --> 01:12:44,400
Speaker 3: talking about like Harvard or anything. But you know, there

1626
01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:46,519
Speaker 3: are multiple places where you can go to do it.

1627
01:12:46,600 --> 01:12:51,600
Speaker 3: An adulting course. Austin Community College offers adulting one oh one.

1628
01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:54,920
Speaker 3: Boston College offers adulting one oh one. There is an

1629
01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:58,240
Speaker 3: adulting school in Maine. And what they teach you if

1630
01:12:58,240 --> 01:12:59,960
Speaker 3: you go to this, and people go to this as well,

1631
01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:03,920
Speaker 3: these courses are available. You learn how to thread a needle,

1632
01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:07,000
Speaker 3: how to do a different kind of stitch, several different

1633
01:13:07,040 --> 01:13:10,120
Speaker 3: kinds of stitches, how to mend a torn shirt, how

1634
01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:13,920
Speaker 3: to fix afraid hem, how to dress appropriately for a

1635
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:17,720
Speaker 3: job interview, how to file your income taxes. Now, the

1636
01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:21,240
Speaker 3: reason that this and also ps it's not there, like

1637
01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:23,280
Speaker 3: it blows my mind that you could do these courses

1638
01:13:23,320 --> 01:13:25,839
Speaker 3: at universities. But you can do these courses also outside

1639
01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:28,439
Speaker 3: of university institutions. You can buy books on this kind

1640
01:13:28,479 --> 01:13:28,680
Speaker 3: of thing.

1641
01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:28,840
Speaker 10: Now.

1642
01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:30,640
Speaker 3: There is a book available that's called how to Be

1643
01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:33,320
Speaker 3: a grown Up The fourteen Essential Skills you didn't know

1644
01:13:33,400 --> 01:13:35,960
Speaker 3: you needed until just now, and what they and that

1645
01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:39,720
Speaker 3: one particularly teaches you things like budgeting, which is just

1646
01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:42,240
Speaker 3: maths isn't it. Yeah, I don't know why you need

1647
01:13:42,280 --> 01:13:46,519
Speaker 3: to be taught budgeting, how to handle rejection, how to invest,

1648
01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:47,759
Speaker 3: how to listen to people.

1649
01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:48,360
Speaker 4: Lord above.

1650
01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:51,680
Speaker 3: Anyway, Apparently the reason that young people nowadays are having

1651
01:13:51,720 --> 01:13:53,400
Speaker 3: to learn how to be an adult when the rest

1652
01:13:53,439 --> 01:13:55,280
Speaker 3: of us just kind of learned it. I don't know,

1653
01:13:55,400 --> 01:13:58,160
Speaker 3: and whomen we're not adults is because they spend too

1654
01:13:58,240 --> 01:14:01,240
Speaker 3: much time on screens. So they spends so much time

1655
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:03,840
Speaker 3: to doing away on their phones and their computers and

1656
01:14:03,880 --> 01:14:06,479
Speaker 3: doing all weird things there that they actually don't spend

1657
01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:09,639
Speaker 3: enough time in the real world noticing that they may

1658
01:14:09,680 --> 01:14:11,880
Speaker 3: need to put a button on that shirt and therefore

1659
01:14:11,960 --> 01:14:14,080
Speaker 3: learning how to how to thread a needle and so on.

1660
01:14:14,320 --> 01:14:18,439
Speaker 3: They also also spend too much time nowadays in education. Right,

1661
01:14:18,479 --> 01:14:21,160
Speaker 3: So heaps of people like for example, Mike Costing, prime example,

1662
01:14:21,400 --> 01:14:24,360
Speaker 3: leave school at sixteen, goes off becomes an extremely like

1663
01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:27,720
Speaker 3: the most capable radio broadcaster in this country. Right. But

1664
01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:30,400
Speaker 3: Mike Hosking, if he was born right now, would probably

1665
01:14:30,439 --> 01:14:32,479
Speaker 3: sit at school all the way through university and then

1666
01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:34,800
Speaker 3: go do some honors papers and maybia masters as well. Right,

1667
01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:36,639
Speaker 3: And if you spend that much time in education, you're

1668
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:38,360
Speaker 3: not actually getting out of your parents' house and learning

1669
01:14:38,400 --> 01:14:41,680
Speaker 3: how to do your own life. Also also not enough

1670
01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:44,639
Speaker 3: respect for elders. So apparently because your mum and your

1671
01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:47,360
Speaker 3: grandma can't work the Wi Fi, you think they're idiots,

1672
01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:49,040
Speaker 3: so you don't want to learn any of the stuff

1673
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:51,080
Speaker 3: that they're teaching you, like how to mix a cake

1674
01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:54,920
Speaker 3: or thread a needle, for example. So yeah, this is

1675
01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:57,160
Speaker 3: what's going on. I mean, Lord, if you ever wondered

1676
01:14:57,200 --> 01:14:59,639
Speaker 3: about worried about the state of the world, I fear

1677
01:14:59,720 --> 01:15:02,280
Speaker 3: lie you can. I feel like you've got two options here.

1678
01:15:02,600 --> 01:15:04,760
Speaker 3: You can either worry about the way the world is going,

1679
01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:06,800
Speaker 3: or you can teach your children how to thread needles.

1680
01:15:06,840 --> 01:15:08,840
Speaker 3: And they've already got a Darwinian advantage, you know what

1681
01:15:08,920 --> 01:15:10,519
Speaker 3: I mean. Sixteen past six.

1682
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01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:17,959
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1684
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Speaker 3: By the way, on the Trump tariffs thing, obviously, there's

1685
01:15:21,479 --> 01:15:23,559
Speaker 3: been a bit of talk about Trump wanting to put

1686
01:15:23,560 --> 01:15:25,880
Speaker 3: some tariffs on pharmaceutical products and stuff like that. So

1687
01:15:25,880 --> 01:15:28,200
Speaker 3: we have a chat to doctor Graham Jarvis of Medicines

1688
01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:30,680
Speaker 3: New Zealand. He's the CEO there be with us in

1689
01:15:30,760 --> 01:15:33,680
Speaker 3: around about twenty minutes time or thereabouts. Right now, it's

1690
01:15:33,720 --> 01:15:36,719
Speaker 3: eighteen past six. Now, as we've been discussing, the Marti

1691
01:15:36,800 --> 01:15:39,520
Speaker 3: party want Marty to be able to receive the pensionetts

1692
01:15:40,200 --> 01:15:41,880
Speaker 3: ten years earlier than the rest of us. So all

1693
01:15:41,880 --> 01:15:43,760
Speaker 3: of us get it at sixty five and they want

1694
01:15:43,800 --> 01:15:46,160
Speaker 3: Marty to get it at fifty five. Jenatib Trainey is

1695
01:15:46,200 --> 01:15:48,640
Speaker 3: The Herald's Wellington business editor and with us, now, how

1696
01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:49,840
Speaker 3: do you name hey?

1697
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Speaker 10: Ever?

1698
01:15:50,200 --> 01:15:52,400
Speaker 3: All right, how did the guardians of the super fund

1699
01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:54,360
Speaker 3: react when they heard this completely copped idea?

1700
01:15:55,439 --> 01:15:59,679
Speaker 26: Well, I think when the Tapati Marti co leader Rahwi

1701
01:16:00,400 --> 01:16:02,920
Speaker 26: he asked the guardians they were they were a bit shocked.

1702
01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:07,000
Speaker 26: Because the Superfund is in charge of managing the country's

1703
01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:10,519
Speaker 26: sovereign wealth fund that will help pay for super in

1704
01:16:10,560 --> 01:16:15,320
Speaker 26: the future. It's not responsible for setting policy around who

1705
01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:18,640
Speaker 26: should receive you know, n Z super and when. But

1706
01:16:18,760 --> 01:16:22,080
Speaker 26: as always happens in these select committee meetings that the

1707
01:16:22,120 --> 01:16:25,360
Speaker 26: politicians run, they always try to use them to promote

1708
01:16:25,400 --> 01:16:28,639
Speaker 26: their own policies and that's exactly what to party Mary

1709
01:16:28,720 --> 01:16:30,760
Speaker 26: did in this one.

1710
01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:33,120
Speaker 3: Now, explain to me, because this is this is the

1711
01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:36,120
Speaker 3: this is the thing that is perplexing me. Why doesn't

1712
01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:38,400
Speaker 3: Labor just kill us at idea immediately.

1713
01:16:39,479 --> 01:16:42,200
Speaker 26: Yeah, look, that is the key question, and that's what

1714
01:16:42,320 --> 01:16:44,640
Speaker 26: really makes this an issue to party. Marty has had

1715
01:16:44,720 --> 01:16:49,280
Speaker 26: this policy for some time. It believes that age should

1716
01:16:49,320 --> 01:16:53,240
Speaker 26: be lower because Marty's life expectancy is lower, you know,

1717
01:16:53,479 --> 01:16:56,679
Speaker 26: and that is that is correct. It is about eight

1718
01:16:56,800 --> 01:17:01,519
Speaker 26: years lower than Pakiha. But then also Asian people have

1719
01:17:02,160 --> 01:17:06,719
Speaker 26: higher life expectancy than European and others. So it starts

1720
01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:10,120
Speaker 26: awfully difficult when you look at the different races and

1721
01:17:10,200 --> 01:17:16,400
Speaker 26: different life expectancies. But that's Party Mahdi's view. Interestingly, Labor

1722
01:17:16,439 --> 01:17:20,280
Speaker 26: did not shoot this idea down straight away. Now the

1723
01:17:20,320 --> 01:17:22,160
Speaker 26: reason you think it might is because this is a

1724
01:17:22,240 --> 01:17:26,040
Speaker 26: very controversial view and Labor obviously tries to pitch for

1725
01:17:26,080 --> 01:17:29,360
Speaker 26: that middle ground. I'm not sure how well this policy

1726
01:17:29,400 --> 01:17:33,080
Speaker 26: would go down with the middle ground. But interestingly, I

1727
01:17:33,120 --> 01:17:35,920
Speaker 26: wrote the story that you know said Labor was fairly

1728
01:17:35,960 --> 01:17:39,240
Speaker 26: tight lipped on the issue. But since then, just short

1729
01:17:39,400 --> 01:17:41,720
Speaker 26: just this afternoon, the Labor Party came back to me

1730
01:17:41,760 --> 01:17:45,360
Speaker 26: and said, oh, we're updating our position, and they've categorically

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Speaker 26: said we have no plans to change the age of

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Speaker 26: super yeah, and would not support targeting eligibility on the

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Speaker 26: basis of ethnic I mean.

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Speaker 3: Fair to say that what this was most likely is

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Speaker 3: just a kind of I don't want to say she's

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Speaker 3: green because she's not, but just a reasonably new MP

1737
01:18:03,240 --> 01:18:05,920
Speaker 3: and Barbara Edmonds trying to feel her way politically on

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Speaker 3: this right, So just a tiny misstep from her rather

1739
01:18:08,040 --> 01:18:08,880
Speaker 3: than anything massive.

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Speaker 26: I'm not too sure what happened at the Labor Party side.

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Speaker 26: I'm not really really too sure, but I think the

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Speaker 26: bigger picture here is that we have seen with this

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Speaker 26: coalition government that you know, we if we dismiss minor

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Speaker 26: parties policies because we think, oh, well, that's never going

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Speaker 26: to happen. Yeah, you know, you never know what can

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Speaker 26: happen if the major parties do end up needing that

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01:18:32,800 --> 01:18:34,439
Speaker 26: the minor parties support going into government.

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Speaker 3: That's a fair point that you make. Actually, you know,

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Speaker 3: thanks very much, you know, to Prini. The Heralds Wellington

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Speaker 3: Business Edit. All right, I got to tell you a

1751
01:18:40,240 --> 01:18:42,200
Speaker 3: little bit more about the crazy stuff going on Wellington

1752
01:18:42,200 --> 01:18:43,760
Speaker 3: will do it after the break six twenty two.

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Speaker 1: Everything from SMEs to the big corporates. The Business Hour

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01:18:48,520 --> 01:18:52,920
Speaker 1: with Heather dupic Ellen and maas insurance and investments, Grow

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01:18:52,960 --> 01:18:54,519
Speaker 1: your wealth, protect your future.

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Speaker 2: These talks.

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Speaker 3: V AH got a text from Andy saying the harbor

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01:18:59,439 --> 01:19:01,559
Speaker 3: Bridge is down to two lanes, as in two lanes

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01:19:01,560 --> 01:19:03,840
Speaker 3: in each direction, and Andy is not happy about it.

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01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:06,679
Speaker 3: Brace yourself for tomorrow because Armborbridge probably be all together

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01:19:06,720 --> 01:19:09,360
Speaker 3: shut once the wind probably starts up. It's coming up

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01:19:09,360 --> 01:19:14,400
Speaker 3: six twenty five. So Wellington, okay, So there have been

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01:19:14,479 --> 01:19:17,519
Speaker 3: more fights around the council table in Wellington and this

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01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:20,400
Speaker 3: time it's because Ray went and had a fancy lunch

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01:19:20,760 --> 01:19:23,240
Speaker 3: when Ray shouldn't have had a fancy lunch and it

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01:19:23,240 --> 01:19:24,960
Speaker 3: should have been at a meeting. So what happened is

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01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:27,639
Speaker 3: Ray chung now because we're out, we're into it, right,

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01:19:28,400 --> 01:19:30,559
Speaker 3: We're often into it. We got the Meryl campaign starting

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01:19:30,640 --> 01:19:33,120
Speaker 3: up and stuff again. Andrew Little's declared Tory said she

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01:19:33,120 --> 01:19:34,800
Speaker 3: wasn't going to do it, but then she unfortunately decided

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Speaker 3: she was going to do it. And Rays decided to

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01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:39,080
Speaker 3: do it as well, and he launched his mayoral campaign

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Speaker 3: last Wednesday. And after he launched his mayoral campaign, he

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01:19:42,760 --> 01:19:45,360
Speaker 3: then went to have dinners a dinner with some donors

1775
01:19:45,640 --> 01:19:48,320
Speaker 3: at the Wellington Club well Tory was not happy about

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01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:52,120
Speaker 3: this situation. Tory's told Ray off publicly because Ray was

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01:19:52,160 --> 01:19:54,320
Speaker 3: supposed to be at a meeting when he was off

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01:19:54,360 --> 01:19:57,400
Speaker 3: having this lovely, lovely kai with his friends who've got

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01:19:57,439 --> 01:19:59,360
Speaker 3: all the money. He was supposed to be at the

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Speaker 3: Regulatory Processes Committee meeting where they were debating paid motorcycle

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Speaker 3: parking changes to the Karori Cycleway rollout and suburban speed

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01:20:09,320 --> 01:20:13,160
Speaker 3: limit reversals. So you can see why why that was important,

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Speaker 3: particularly paid motorcycle parking. They needed Ray there to talk

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Speaker 3: about that. Anyway, she told him off and Ray. Ray

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Speaker 3: got angry about being told off by Tory, like anybody would,

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Speaker 3: and Ray responded with the following sentence, Tory is full

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Speaker 3: of shit. I mean, he's not wrong, but that is

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Speaker 3: the level of whether it's council. I mean, that's the

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Speaker 3: kind of thing you expect in the school yard. But anyway, whatever,

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Speaker 3: I couldn't have put it better myself, because when I

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Speaker 3: read that Tory was telling Ray off, I was like, sister,

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01:20:51,560 --> 01:20:55,960
Speaker 3: you listening to yourself. Don't forget. Tory is famous for

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01:20:56,120 --> 01:20:58,640
Speaker 3: not turning out at all kinds of things, so to

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01:20:58,760 --> 01:21:02,560
Speaker 3: have her telling rayof for not turning up lowls. She

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01:21:02,840 --> 01:21:05,240
Speaker 3: is famous for not turning up at half the Airport

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01:21:05,320 --> 01:21:08,120
Speaker 3: Board meetings. That's in the public record, you can google it.

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Speaker 3: She's famous for not turning up at a regional meoral

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Speaker 3: forum where they needed to talk about water, which I

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01:21:14,080 --> 01:21:16,320
Speaker 3: think we can all agree is quite a significant issue

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01:21:16,360 --> 01:21:19,679
Speaker 3: for Wellington. Didn't turn up at some monthly citizenship ceremonies,

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01:21:19,720 --> 01:21:21,840
Speaker 3: which is the mayor's job. Didn't turn up at a

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01:21:21,880 --> 01:21:24,800
Speaker 3: Government House ceremony, didn't turn up at a commemoration for

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01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:28,519
Speaker 3: the Battle of Crete. Tory has also famously not turned

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01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:31,200
Speaker 3: up in the office at all for weeks on end

1805
01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:34,960
Speaker 3: because she had COVID about seven hundred and eighteen times

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01:21:35,080 --> 01:21:36,599
Speaker 3: in the last two and a half years that she's

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Speaker 3: been in the office.

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Speaker 27: So for Tory to tell Ray off for coming to

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Speaker 27: a meeting, being there for like a couple of hours

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Speaker 27: and then excusing himself as rich as people say glasshouses, Tory,

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Speaker 27: or as Ray said, full of shit.

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Speaker 1: If it's to do with money, it matters to you

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01:22:06,720 --> 01:22:10,160
Speaker 1: the business hour with head of Duplicy Ellen and theirs,

1814
01:22:10,360 --> 01:22:14,840
Speaker 1: insurance and investments, grow your wealth, protect your future news talks.

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Speaker 2: That'd be.

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Speaker 3: Very interesting take. By the way, on why the young

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01:22:25,360 --> 01:22:27,679
Speaker 3: people have to go to the adulting one oh one courses.

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01:22:27,840 --> 01:22:30,280
Speaker 3: Bear in mind the younger generations have spent more time

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01:22:30,360 --> 01:22:32,519
Speaker 3: in childcare than previously, so they're not bonding as much

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01:22:32,560 --> 01:22:34,720
Speaker 3: with the parents and the grandparents who would have taught

1821
01:22:35,120 --> 01:22:36,960
Speaker 3: taught them those life skills. And that's true, right, because

1822
01:22:37,080 --> 01:22:38,680
Speaker 3: if you know how to thread a needle, who taught you?

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01:22:39,040 --> 01:22:41,479
Speaker 3: My mum taught me. But nowadays, I mean, for the

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01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:43,679
Speaker 3: most part, mums are working, right, So unless they're really

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01:22:43,720 --> 01:22:46,160
Speaker 3: bleased with having kind of funny hours or not having

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01:22:46,240 --> 01:22:48,360
Speaker 3: to work, who's going to teach the kids to thread

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Speaker 3: a needle? It's probably some sort of life skills course.

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Speaker 10: Do we still go?

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Speaker 3: When I was at school, we used to do life

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Speaker 3: skills It was terrible. All I remember having to sew

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01:22:56,160 --> 01:23:01,400
Speaker 3: was like a really weird little toilet roll thing. H

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01:23:02,080 --> 01:23:05,160
Speaker 3: just like fabrics in the toilet. That's just germ magnet,

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01:23:05,200 --> 01:23:07,759
Speaker 3: isn't it? Anyway? My mum loved it, or she pretended

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Speaker 3: to it least, just like God lovely let me put

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01:23:09,600 --> 01:23:11,560
Speaker 3: this off the toilet roles as anyway, like, don't do that.

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Speaker 3: But do we still do life skills courses? Because when

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Speaker 3: I was a kid. We did that and the girls

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Speaker 3: did the sewing and the boys did the woodworking, which

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01:23:19,360 --> 01:23:22,320
Speaker 3: was an unfortunate division of labor there. Anyway, that will

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01:23:22,360 --> 01:23:24,200
Speaker 3: go some way to explaining why if we don't have

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01:23:24,280 --> 01:23:26,400
Speaker 3: those courses, and that's also why they can't sew their

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01:23:26,439 --> 01:23:28,639
Speaker 3: own blinking heymns, can they? Twenty four away from seven

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Speaker 3: Now looks like US President Donald Trump will be putting

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Speaker 3: those tariffs on medicines. After all, pharmaceuticals were exempted from

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01:23:35,160 --> 01:23:38,320
Speaker 3: the initial initial wave of tariffs that went out over

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Speaker 3: the weekend, but then US COMMAS Secretary Howard Lutnik said

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Speaker 3: they've only been exempted so that the president can put

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Speaker 3: a different tariff on them later.

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Speaker 23: Well, if you remember, over the past couple of months,

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Speaker 23: President Trump has called out pharmaceuticals and semiconductors and orders.

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Speaker 23: He called them sector tariffs, and those are not available

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Speaker 23: for negotiation. They are going to be part of making

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Speaker 23: sure we re sure the core national security items that

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01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:09,439
Speaker 23: need to be made in this country. We need to

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Speaker 23: meet medicine in this country. We learned it during COVID.

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Speaker 23: We need to make it in this country now.

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Speaker 3: Doctor Graham Jervis is the CEO of medicines New Zealand

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Speaker 3: and with us. Hey Graham, Hey, how are you heavn

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01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:21,560
Speaker 3: I'm very well, thank you. To the point of this,

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01:24:21,680 --> 01:24:24,519
Speaker 3: obviously is to drive the manufacturing from China back to

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Speaker 3: the US. Do you reckon it'll work?

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Speaker 10: Well?

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Speaker 28: Look, I think it's really too early to tell at

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Speaker 28: this stage what will be happening. I think, and if

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Speaker 28: I can just say to you listeners and yourself, I

1866
01:24:35,439 --> 01:24:37,200
Speaker 28: think we need to calm the farm a little bit.

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Speaker 28: And I'm spelling farm with the phs and pharmaceuticals, So

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01:24:40,760 --> 01:24:44,679
Speaker 28: no pun intended. But look, what the Trump administration is doing,

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Speaker 28: and what the Secretary has said is that they were

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Speaker 28: undertaking what they call us Section two three two investigation,

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Speaker 28: and that's looking at things that might be of national

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Speaker 28: security issue. They will undertake that they've started the process.

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Speaker 28: It usually runs for over t two hundred and seventy

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Speaker 28: days in total, but they're open for inputs right now

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Speaker 28: for the next twenty one days or so, and then

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01:25:07,080 --> 01:25:10,080
Speaker 28: they'll make some decisions around this. So it's a little

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01:25:10,080 --> 01:25:13,040
Speaker 28: bit early to tell what the terriffs may be. If

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01:25:13,120 --> 01:25:15,160
Speaker 28: there will be teriffs, they may decide not to do

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01:25:15,280 --> 01:25:18,360
Speaker 28: this at all. So while there is that drive to

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Speaker 28: have some onshoring. Now, around twenty percent of pharmaceutical manufacture

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01:25:24,439 --> 01:25:26,479
Speaker 28: is done in the United States. The rest of it

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Speaker 28: they are importing from global supply chains around the world

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Speaker 28: at the moment.

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Speaker 3: If they were to go ahead with it, and it

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Speaker 3: was significant enough to kind of cause a bit of disruption,

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Speaker 3: which undoubtedly would happen for a little while if they

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01:25:37,920 --> 01:25:41,040
Speaker 3: did it, would the impact for us be actually that

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Speaker 3: we ended up having our market flooded potentially with cheaper drugs.

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Speaker 28: No, I don't think that's the case. I think because

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01:25:49,240 --> 01:25:53,840
Speaker 28: the global supply chain in the industry itself is quite complicated,

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01:25:54,960 --> 01:25:57,880
Speaker 28: there's many permutations that could happen. It may depend on

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01:25:58,040 --> 01:26:02,400
Speaker 28: things like how companies countries may react to any tariff

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01:26:02,479 --> 01:26:04,559
Speaker 28: that may be put on. But I will just draw

1894
01:26:05,200 --> 01:26:07,040
Speaker 28: you know, your listener's attention to the fact that the

1895
01:26:07,120 --> 01:26:10,439
Speaker 28: industry is working hard at the moment with the Trump

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01:26:10,479 --> 01:26:16,120
Speaker 28: administration to discuss what the implications will be. So, for example,

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01:26:16,520 --> 01:26:18,240
Speaker 28: it is not clear at the moment if there will

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Speaker 28: be tiff supplied after this section two three two investigation.

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Speaker 28: We will have to see whether that's the case or not.

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Speaker 28: There are conversations going on about having a teared tariff approach,

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01:26:29,080 --> 01:26:31,960
Speaker 28: which means that the impact is a lot less both

1902
01:26:32,080 --> 01:26:35,880
Speaker 28: into the US market but also globally as well. And

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01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:39,200
Speaker 28: there are conversations and the companies have indeed started to

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01:26:39,320 --> 01:26:42,040
Speaker 28: do more on shoring. So I'm well aware that there

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01:26:42,120 --> 01:26:46,400
Speaker 28: is more drive to onshuring manufacturer into the USA. I'm

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Speaker 28: aware of at least twelve new large scale facilities at

1907
01:26:49,160 --> 01:26:55,280
Speaker 28: the innovative pharmaceutical sector is looking at onshuring as we speak,

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01:26:55,600 --> 01:26:58,600
Speaker 28: and that's about an eighty billion billion dollars for b

1909
01:26:58,760 --> 01:27:02,679
Speaker 28: B billion dollars that has been driven back into the USA.

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Speaker 28: So there's a lot of things up in the air,

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Speaker 28: a lot of dust up in the air at the moment,

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Speaker 28: and we're just not too sure. So I think at

1913
01:27:10,680 --> 01:27:13,679
Speaker 28: this stage too difficult to say what might come into

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Speaker 28: the future. I think a few things have got to

1915
01:27:15,960 --> 01:27:18,639
Speaker 28: play out over a period of time, and then we'll

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01:27:18,640 --> 01:27:20,519
Speaker 28: be in a better position to have I think, an

1917
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Speaker 28: informed conversation around what might be happening from a New

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Speaker 28: Zealand context, but also globally what this might well mean

1919
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Speaker 28: as well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Graham, you know, I think that's the best advice

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01:27:30,120 --> 01:27:32,120
Speaker 3: ree Trump is just you know, breathe through your nose

1922
01:27:32,160 --> 01:27:34,360
Speaker 3: until the man actually does something. Grahama really appreciated this.

1923
01:27:34,479 --> 01:27:37,360
Speaker 3: Graham Jarvis Medicines, New Zealand CEO. It's twenty away from

1924
01:27:37,400 --> 01:27:40,760
Speaker 3: seven hither due for see Ellen Heither. Ray Hung has

1925
01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:43,559
Speaker 3: started electioneering already. He's got my vote. Actually, a lot

1926
01:27:43,600 --> 01:27:46,360
Speaker 3: of people text in and say Ray gets the vote

1927
01:27:46,400 --> 01:27:49,400
Speaker 3: just because of what he said about Tory, which I

1928
01:27:49,439 --> 01:27:51,360
Speaker 3: think is quite fun. So I can see how you

1929
01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:53,080
Speaker 3: can see how you can vote for him just because

1930
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Speaker 3: he said that. Listen, if you listen to the show

1931
01:27:56,800 --> 01:27:59,240
Speaker 3: on the regular, you may already know that. I'm very

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Speaker 3: much of the view that we need to ban social

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01:28:01,080 --> 01:28:03,439
Speaker 3: media for sixteen year olds and under kind of in

1934
01:28:03,479 --> 01:28:05,559
Speaker 3: the same way that we banned siggi's and alcohol, because

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Speaker 3: I do think it is as bad for their brain

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Speaker 3: as siggi's and alcohol. So I would go that hard

1937
01:28:10,680 --> 01:28:12,280
Speaker 3: and I reckon we can ban it if we wanted to.

1938
01:28:12,520 --> 01:28:14,439
Speaker 3: So it's very interesting to see today that the guy

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01:28:14,520 --> 01:28:17,559
Speaker 3: who used to run Facebook in Australia and New Zealand,

1940
01:28:17,800 --> 01:28:20,880
Speaker 3: guy called Stephen Sheila, also thinks that we should ban

1941
01:28:21,479 --> 01:28:22,959
Speaker 3: social media for under sixteens.

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Speaker 29: I think there's a lot of evidence to shows that

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Speaker 29: that's a good idea. The restriction, I think is a

1944
01:28:27,080 --> 01:28:28,920
Speaker 29: good idea. I think the problem is going to be

1945
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Speaker 29: an execution of how that actually happens and how you

1946
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Speaker 29: make it happen, because there are there's a lot of

1947
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Speaker 29: foreigns in that. But I think overall, and as a

1948
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Speaker 29: parent myself, if you're a parent others, you'll know the

1949
01:28:38,760 --> 01:28:41,400
Speaker 29: challenges of social media for your kids and leaving its

1950
01:28:41,600 --> 01:28:43,720
Speaker 29: parents alone to figure it out. I just think it's

1951
01:28:43,760 --> 01:28:44,519
Speaker 29: I don't think it's fair.

1952
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Speaker 3: I also found it quite fascinating. He obviously hasn't got any,

1953
01:28:47,640 --> 01:28:51,839
Speaker 3: you know, any residual kind of lovey feelings for Mark Zuckerberg,

1954
01:28:51,960 --> 01:28:54,800
Speaker 3: because he was talking about whether Mark Zuckerberg is the

1955
01:28:54,880 --> 01:28:56,840
Speaker 3: right guy for the moment, and he said he doesn't

1956
01:28:56,840 --> 01:28:59,280
Speaker 3: have the right that doesn't have the moral fiber to

1957
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Speaker 3: do the right thing.

1958
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Speaker 29: He's not a bad actor, he's not a mean spirited person.

1959
01:29:02,600 --> 01:29:04,439
Speaker 29: He actually wants to do good in the world. But

1960
01:29:04,520 --> 01:29:07,880
Speaker 29: I don't think he has the moral fiber to do

1961
01:29:08,040 --> 01:29:09,280
Speaker 29: and say the right things. And I think to do

1962
01:29:09,400 --> 01:29:11,720
Speaker 29: and say the right thing in this moment was to

1963
01:29:11,880 --> 01:29:14,639
Speaker 29: not cave in to Trump. I think that's the wrong move.

1964
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Speaker 29: To make when you're that powerful and when you control

1965
01:29:17,400 --> 01:29:20,760
Speaker 29: that much of a platform of world information. But I

1966
01:29:20,840 --> 01:29:23,519
Speaker 29: believe that, you know, with the kind of power and

1967
01:29:23,600 --> 01:29:27,000
Speaker 29: influence that Mark comsc has, comes great responsibility. And I

1968
01:29:27,040 --> 01:29:29,639
Speaker 29: think at this moment, I feel like he's failed the test.

1969
01:29:29,800 --> 01:29:31,360
Speaker 3: I feel like if he hasn't got the moral fiber

1970
01:29:31,439 --> 01:29:33,120
Speaker 3: to stand up to Donald Trump, then he probably doesn't

1971
01:29:33,120 --> 01:29:35,719
Speaker 3: have the moral fiber to worry about what tapping tea kids' brains,

1972
01:29:35,720 --> 01:29:37,840
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? Seventeen away from seven.

1973
01:29:38,200 --> 01:29:42,160
Speaker 2: Croaching the numbers and getting the results. It's hither duplicy Ellen,

1974
01:29:42,360 --> 01:29:43,799
Speaker 2: with of the business hour.

1975
01:29:43,960 --> 01:29:48,479
Speaker 1: And mes insurance and investments, Grow your wealth, protect your future.

1976
01:29:48,760 --> 01:29:49,560
Speaker 2: He's talks d me.

1977
01:29:50,640 --> 01:29:52,640
Speaker 3: Oh, I've got a little Robert Owin update for you.

1978
01:29:52,800 --> 01:29:56,080
Speaker 3: Actually things kicking off through the bed. I'm going to

1979
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Speaker 3: get to it shortly. It's called it to seven. Gavin

1980
01:29:57,800 --> 01:30:02,200
Speaker 3: Gray are UK correspondence with US. Gavin Alo, Hi there, hell, Gvin,

1981
01:30:02,240 --> 01:30:04,360
Speaker 3: you guys have got these new digital border chicks coming

1982
01:30:04,400 --> 01:30:05,840
Speaker 3: in jeriy Can. They're going to cause some trouble.

1983
01:30:07,160 --> 01:30:09,560
Speaker 12: I think there's every sign that there might be a

1984
01:30:09,560 --> 01:30:12,280
Speaker 12: little bit of chaos at the start, and of course

1985
01:30:12,280 --> 01:30:16,960
Speaker 12: it'll affect everyone entering or leaving the European Union. So

1986
01:30:17,120 --> 01:30:19,799
Speaker 12: these new digital border checks really are going to replace

1987
01:30:19,880 --> 01:30:24,519
Speaker 12: the current passports stamping system that requires everyone from outside

1988
01:30:24,560 --> 01:30:28,960
Speaker 12: the European Union to register their fingerprints of photo and

1989
01:30:29,200 --> 01:30:32,080
Speaker 12: passport details in order to enter the block. So anyone

1990
01:30:32,479 --> 01:30:35,320
Speaker 12: listening thinking of going to Europe over the next few

1991
01:30:35,720 --> 01:30:38,599
Speaker 12: months need to watch out because this will be started

1992
01:30:38,680 --> 01:30:42,240
Speaker 12: they think now, probably on the first of November of

1993
01:30:42,400 --> 01:30:46,040
Speaker 12: this year. It is at least a year late, probably more,

1994
01:30:46,160 --> 01:30:48,519
Speaker 12: and that was because the delays were put in place

1995
01:30:48,600 --> 01:30:51,679
Speaker 12: because the technology was not yet ready. You can imagine

1996
01:30:52,000 --> 01:30:55,880
Speaker 12: across the twenty seven nations of the European Union how

1997
01:30:56,000 --> 01:30:59,240
Speaker 12: complicated this is going to be. It isn't just the airports,

1998
01:30:59,320 --> 01:31:02,360
Speaker 12: but the ports and the roads and the train stations.

1999
01:31:02,439 --> 01:31:06,280
Speaker 12: It really is a massive piece of organization. And citizens

2000
01:31:06,320 --> 01:31:08,599
Speaker 12: of countries which are outside the EU and of course

2001
01:31:08,640 --> 01:31:11,599
Speaker 12: that now includes the UK, will need to register their

2002
01:31:11,640 --> 01:31:15,759
Speaker 12: biometric information in plenty of time. But there are huge

2003
01:31:15,840 --> 01:31:19,040
Speaker 12: fears that is the EU aims to titan border security,

2004
01:31:19,360 --> 01:31:23,240
Speaker 12: it may bring long, long delays to some days some travelers.

2005
01:31:23,840 --> 01:31:26,760
Speaker 3: What is going on with these fires at the French prisons.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, very very interesting.

2007
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Speaker 7: This.

2008
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Speaker 12: So the French ministers are now believing that the fires

2009
01:31:33,320 --> 01:31:37,560
Speaker 12: and in one instance automatic gunfire outside of prison is

2010
01:31:37,720 --> 01:31:41,920
Speaker 12: a terrorist act, and seven prisons have been targeted right

2011
01:31:41,960 --> 01:31:46,160
Speaker 12: across the country, including non tern near Paris. And it's

2012
01:31:46,200 --> 01:31:49,000
Speaker 12: been suggested that these attacks, which began at the weekend

2013
01:31:49,160 --> 01:31:52,680
Speaker 12: are a response to the government's crackdown on drug trafficking.

2014
01:31:53,560 --> 01:31:58,479
Speaker 12: France's Anti terrorism Prosecutor's office launching an investigation and in

2015
01:31:58,560 --> 01:32:01,400
Speaker 12: one instance saying a gunman open fire on the prison

2016
01:32:01,520 --> 01:32:06,760
Speaker 12: gate with a kalashnikov. And there are some threats of

2017
01:32:06,880 --> 01:32:12,080
Speaker 12: extreme silvere sentences for those taking part, but certainly those

2018
01:32:12,120 --> 01:32:16,080
Speaker 12: that work in the prison service are saying that, you know,

2019
01:32:16,240 --> 01:32:18,920
Speaker 12: we need more protection frankly, and there should be greater

2020
01:32:19,080 --> 01:32:22,080
Speaker 12: government action to help protect our prison staff. There are

2021
01:32:22,160 --> 01:32:24,439
Speaker 12: reports that some of them have been threatened at their

2022
01:32:24,520 --> 01:32:28,639
Speaker 12: own home and also reports of an arson attack at

2023
01:32:28,760 --> 01:32:32,680
Speaker 12: officers accommodation, so pretty severe stuff. And all this they

2024
01:32:32,760 --> 01:32:35,200
Speaker 12: reckon because of some kind of a scare tactic, a

2025
01:32:35,280 --> 01:32:38,240
Speaker 12: retribution for the crackdown on drug trafficking.

2026
01:32:38,520 --> 01:32:40,920
Speaker 3: Interesting, now, listen, what does this chep down this architect

2027
01:32:41,080 --> 01:32:42,920
Speaker 3: to you know, warrant becoming a saint.

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Speaker 2: Ah well.

2029
01:32:45,200 --> 01:32:50,559
Speaker 12: Of course he's often been called the Spanish architect Anthony

2030
01:32:50,680 --> 01:32:54,120
Speaker 12: Gowni has often been called a sort of God's architect.

2031
01:32:54,520 --> 01:32:57,479
Speaker 12: He's most famously known in Barcelona, of course, where he's

2032
01:32:58,400 --> 01:33:02,879
Speaker 12: managed to design the unfinish Segrada Familiar, one of Spain's

2033
01:33:02,960 --> 01:33:06,520
Speaker 12: most famous religious sites, one of its biggest tourist attractions.

2034
01:33:07,200 --> 01:33:09,880
Speaker 12: And now the Vatican has said that Pope Francis has

2035
01:33:09,920 --> 01:33:15,040
Speaker 12: authorized a decree declaring that the Catalonian born architect should

2036
01:33:15,080 --> 01:33:18,280
Speaker 12: be venerable, in other words, the early steps on the

2037
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Speaker 12: road to a candidate for sainthood being formally canonized by

2038
01:33:22,439 --> 01:33:25,400
Speaker 12: the Catholic Church. And there's been a long campaign header

2039
01:33:25,479 --> 01:33:29,040
Speaker 12: for decades actually to have Goudi, who was a devout Catholic,

2040
01:33:29,200 --> 01:33:32,760
Speaker 12: recognized as a saint, and the Archbishop of Barcelona called

2041
01:33:32,760 --> 01:33:35,479
Speaker 12: the news of joy, and many others are saying about

2042
01:33:35,600 --> 01:33:38,320
Speaker 12: time he is. As I said, Goudi very very famous.

2043
01:33:38,960 --> 01:33:42,000
Speaker 12: And even though he died in nineteen twenty six bizarrely

2044
01:33:42,120 --> 01:33:45,080
Speaker 12: after being hit by a tram while walking to church,

2045
01:33:45,479 --> 01:33:48,880
Speaker 12: the Vatican says it needs proof of a miracle that

2046
01:33:49,000 --> 01:33:51,760
Speaker 12: could be attributed to him in post death in order

2047
01:33:52,040 --> 01:33:53,800
Speaker 12: to proceed with the beatification.

2048
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Speaker 3: Interesting, Hey, thanks very much. Gavin checked you in a

2049
01:33:56,240 --> 01:33:59,280
Speaker 3: couple of days, as Kevin gray ow UK correspondent, actually

2050
01:33:59,640 --> 01:34:01,320
Speaker 3: not check to Gavin in a couple of days. Are

2051
01:34:01,400 --> 01:34:05,400
Speaker 3: we We're on its Easter Friday, isn't it? So we'll

2052
01:34:05,439 --> 01:34:08,320
Speaker 3: all be on holidays? And geez what about that weather though? Anyway,

2053
01:34:08,360 --> 01:34:10,960
Speaker 3: don't don't even think about it. Robert Dowin, this is

2054
01:34:11,120 --> 01:34:13,960
Speaker 3: this will change this will change your mind. So I

2055
01:34:14,080 --> 01:34:17,800
Speaker 3: was telling you maybe yesterday about Robert Owin wearing the

2056
01:34:17,880 --> 01:34:20,519
Speaker 3: Bonds underwear and how absolutely thrilled I was to have

2057
01:34:20,720 --> 01:34:23,880
Speaker 3: not missed that story coming back from maternity leave. Well

2058
01:34:24,040 --> 01:34:27,320
Speaker 3: he is. He's gone onto the Aussie breakfast television because

2059
01:34:27,360 --> 01:34:30,600
Speaker 3: there are rumors that his abs in the photo in

2060
01:34:30,760 --> 01:34:33,519
Speaker 3: the photo series were photo shopped, and he wants to

2061
01:34:33,600 --> 01:34:35,760
Speaker 3: be absolutely clear about the fact that they are one

2062
01:34:35,840 --> 01:34:36,559
Speaker 3: hundred percent real.

2063
01:34:36,880 --> 01:34:39,439
Speaker 8: Mate, everything is one hundred percent reel.

2064
01:34:39,640 --> 01:34:41,680
Speaker 2: Everything you see in there was all there.

2065
01:34:41,720 --> 01:34:44,559
Speaker 3: You know, the spider that was right there, the beautiful

2066
01:34:44,560 --> 01:34:47,080
Speaker 3: big blackheaded pithe and that was all there. The abs,

2067
01:34:47,280 --> 01:34:49,880
Speaker 3: none of that was airbrushed. That was a lot of work,

2068
01:34:50,160 --> 01:34:52,520
Speaker 3: a lot of work and very little carbohydrates.

2069
01:34:52,640 --> 01:34:52,800
Speaker 2: Now.

2070
01:34:52,880 --> 01:34:55,160
Speaker 3: The reason that I was talking about it yesterday was

2071
01:34:55,200 --> 01:34:58,320
Speaker 3: because his mum had piped up apparently and wasn't very

2072
01:34:58,360 --> 01:35:00,599
Speaker 3: happy that he'd done this, you know, to shoot where

2073
01:35:00,600 --> 01:35:02,400
Speaker 3: he's sitting around in his knickers because it's kind of

2074
01:35:02,439 --> 01:35:04,200
Speaker 3: off brand for the family and stuff like that. Well,

2075
01:35:04,240 --> 01:35:06,360
Speaker 3: he actually said it's not as his mumm doesn't have

2076
01:35:06,400 --> 01:35:08,760
Speaker 3: a problem with it. Because Terry was a former bodybuilder

2077
01:35:08,760 --> 01:35:11,599
Speaker 3: you'll remember, actually helped him with his post to get

2078
01:35:11,680 --> 01:35:14,040
Speaker 3: like the maximum amount of ab showing and stuff. It

2079
01:35:14,240 --> 01:35:16,280
Speaker 3: was his sister who didn't love it.

2080
01:35:16,560 --> 01:35:20,640
Speaker 2: My sister was like, Okay, I don't know.

2081
01:35:20,880 --> 01:35:22,800
Speaker 27: It's fambulous and slightly uncomfortable.

2082
01:35:23,320 --> 01:35:25,920
Speaker 24: I don't know. I'm still not one hundred percent comfortable with.

2083
01:35:26,280 --> 01:35:28,120
Speaker 10: Some of it anyway, But you know what, we did

2084
01:35:28,200 --> 01:35:29,519
Speaker 10: it and you just got to phone.

2085
01:35:29,320 --> 01:35:32,520
Speaker 14: It, give it a hundred percent, then tell you buddy's

2086
01:35:32,560 --> 01:35:33,800
Speaker 14: worse if your sister likes it.

2087
01:35:36,960 --> 01:35:40,479
Speaker 3: Calos, you had to go there, didn't you. What I'm

2088
01:35:40,479 --> 01:35:43,120
Speaker 3: trying to do here is just encourage you to google it.

2089
01:35:43,160 --> 01:35:45,320
Speaker 3: If you haven't googled it already, you will not regret it.

2090
01:35:45,439 --> 01:35:46,120
Speaker 3: Nine away from.

2091
01:35:46,040 --> 01:35:50,720
Speaker 1: Seven, It's the Heather Topsy Alan Drive Full Show Podcast

2092
01:35:50,880 --> 01:35:52,800
Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio powered by.

2093
01:35:52,800 --> 01:35:53,599
Speaker 2: News Talk ZB.

2094
01:35:55,400 --> 01:35:55,599
Speaker 23: Hither.

2095
01:35:55,640 --> 01:35:59,479
Speaker 3: You've been on holiday for three months, don't you need

2096
01:35:59,520 --> 01:36:03,080
Speaker 3: another hole that muzz So it's a holiday to be

2097
01:36:03,160 --> 01:36:06,080
Speaker 3: back at working. You blinking well know it, So don't

2098
01:36:06,120 --> 01:36:08,280
Speaker 3: be pushing my buttons mate. Now listen, we've got to

2099
01:36:08,280 --> 01:36:10,040
Speaker 3: talk about this thing that's gone on Wellington. I don't

2100
01:36:10,040 --> 01:36:12,759
Speaker 3: know if you've seen it, but the opposition media outlet,

2101
01:36:12,800 --> 01:36:15,200
Speaker 3: who we will not be naming, has making a meal

2102
01:36:15,280 --> 01:36:18,800
Speaker 3: of it because we have a situation on our hands

2103
01:36:18,840 --> 01:36:20,519
Speaker 3: here at work. Because what's happened is there is a

2104
01:36:20,600 --> 01:36:22,960
Speaker 3: woman in Wellington who has a V dub beetle, right,

2105
01:36:23,400 --> 01:36:26,240
Speaker 3: and she's one of those women who thinks it's that care.

2106
01:36:26,680 --> 01:36:28,760
Speaker 3: So what she's done is some people do this, right,

2107
01:36:28,840 --> 01:36:32,960
Speaker 3: They get like eyelashes and they stick big fake eyelashes

2108
01:36:33,320 --> 01:36:35,880
Speaker 3: on the V above the V dub beetles little lights

2109
01:36:35,920 --> 01:36:37,639
Speaker 3: so it looks like little eyes and it's the cute.

2110
01:36:38,000 --> 01:36:41,240
Speaker 3: And then their little pink plasters all over the vdub beetle.

2111
01:36:41,280 --> 01:36:43,479
Speaker 3: And she's got this like leopard print rug thing around

2112
01:36:43,520 --> 01:36:45,320
Speaker 3: the steering wheel, so you know, we get a lot

2113
01:36:45,360 --> 01:36:47,600
Speaker 3: of pink and leopard print. You know, I'm building you

2114
01:36:47,680 --> 01:36:51,919
Speaker 3: a picture. So anyway, oh, mate parks her car in Tarro,

2115
01:36:52,160 --> 01:36:55,160
Speaker 3: which is a very big suburban Wellington that basically covers

2116
01:36:55,240 --> 01:36:58,640
Speaker 3: that whole area between you know, like Mount Vic and

2117
01:36:58,840 --> 01:37:01,800
Speaker 3: Mount cock and and the city. It's like God only

2118
01:37:01,840 --> 01:37:04,000
Speaker 3: knows where in Tiaro. But it's a little bit residential,

2119
01:37:04,040 --> 01:37:06,080
Speaker 3: a little bit commercial, a little bit of shopping, bit

2120
01:37:06,080 --> 01:37:08,720
Speaker 3: a retail going on there, you know whatever. So it's

2121
01:37:08,880 --> 01:37:10,920
Speaker 3: just down from her it's outside her house, I think,

2122
01:37:10,960 --> 01:37:13,680
Speaker 3: and just down from her beauty salon, because obviously she

2123
01:37:13,840 --> 01:37:16,479
Speaker 3: has a beauty salon if she's got pink stickers all

2124
01:37:16,479 --> 01:37:19,040
Speaker 3: over a car and eyelashes and leopard print, you know,

2125
01:37:19,120 --> 01:37:21,840
Speaker 3: I mean. Anyway, So on Sunday she comes back to

2126
01:37:21,880 --> 01:37:23,760
Speaker 3: find a note on the windscreen and it says, dear

2127
01:37:23,800 --> 01:37:27,640
Speaker 3: beetle owner, I don't enjoy seeing your silly car with

2128
01:37:27,760 --> 01:37:31,400
Speaker 3: its silly eyelashes and pink sticking plasters. It looks like

2129
01:37:31,479 --> 01:37:34,040
Speaker 3: a car version of Nicki Minaj And the note says,

2130
01:37:34,080 --> 01:37:36,960
Speaker 3: please refrain from parking here. There is a Wilson parking

2131
01:37:37,040 --> 01:37:40,879
Speaker 3: nearby or other options you'll sincerely the residence of Tiaro.

2132
01:37:41,200 --> 01:37:42,960
Speaker 3: I mean it's weird, right, Like, why are you so

2133
01:37:43,080 --> 01:37:45,240
Speaker 3: offended by the side of the car, close your eyes.

2134
01:37:45,600 --> 01:37:47,320
Speaker 3: If she's entitled to park, that she is entitled to

2135
01:37:47,360 --> 01:37:51,160
Speaker 3: park there. Problem is note is written on a piece

2136
01:37:51,200 --> 01:37:52,639
Speaker 3: of en z me note paper.

2137
01:37:53,120 --> 01:37:53,240
Speaker 10: Is that?

2138
01:37:53,960 --> 01:37:56,200
Speaker 3: So we have this little binder, little booklet bind of

2139
01:37:56,240 --> 01:37:58,120
Speaker 3: things at work that we hand out. We had them out.

2140
01:37:58,160 --> 01:38:00,519
Speaker 3: Maybe it's a civilian out there who's got a hold

2141
01:38:00,560 --> 01:38:02,679
Speaker 3: of one of them. They've written it in there, they've

2142
01:38:02,800 --> 01:38:05,000
Speaker 3: ripped it out and it's just enzed me on the corner.

2143
01:38:05,280 --> 01:38:06,640
Speaker 3: And so we looked at me. Have we called the

2144
01:38:06,680 --> 01:38:07,400
Speaker 3: Wellington office.

2145
01:38:07,760 --> 01:38:09,479
Speaker 4: I have spent all day trying to get to the

2146
01:38:09,479 --> 01:38:11,040
Speaker 4: bottom of this, Heather. I'm being met with a wall

2147
01:38:11,080 --> 01:38:13,000
Speaker 4: of silence, mostly from out of the Wellington office. I

2148
01:38:13,080 --> 01:38:15,320
Speaker 4: only have one person submit a handwriting sample to me,

2149
01:38:15,400 --> 01:38:18,240
Speaker 4: and so I can absolutely clear Azaria Howell and the

2150
01:38:18,640 --> 01:38:19,240
Speaker 4: in the gallery.

2151
01:38:20,960 --> 01:38:23,439
Speaker 3: That's beautiful handwriting. Azaria won't have nice hand right.

2152
01:38:23,400 --> 01:38:25,760
Speaker 4: Well, no, yeah, I could barely read Azaria's handwriting. So

2153
01:38:25,800 --> 01:38:28,200
Speaker 4: I'm quite happy to her. But absolutely nobody else has

2154
01:38:28,280 --> 01:38:31,080
Speaker 4: been willing to lift themselves out of suspicion. It could

2155
01:38:31,120 --> 01:38:34,000
Speaker 4: also be you know, somebody else. Apparently we do hand those, but.

2156
01:38:34,120 --> 01:38:34,800
Speaker 3: We do hand them out.

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Speaker 4: Apparently we do have mo we do. There's about so

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Speaker 4: I'm going.

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Speaker 3: To go on I'm going to hope. I'm going to

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Speaker 3: hope that it's not one of our staff. But if

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Speaker 3: it is one of our staff, I feel like we

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Speaker 3: need to fire them because that's dumb, isn't it? Like

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Speaker 3: I don't care.

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Speaker 4: About I being very surprised if anyone who worked in

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Speaker 4: radio would be so boring as to say that about

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Speaker 4: that lovely looking card.

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Speaker 3: No, we'll just go on the radio and say and

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Speaker 3: would say, would say way worse than that.

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Speaker 4: If you're listening, please do see me your handwriting sample. Yes,

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Speaker 4: just we need to clear.

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Speaker 3: Everybody's nals game, okay, And what have you got for us?

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Speaker 4: I had some help by Post Malone and Morgan Warland

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Speaker 4: to play us out tonight because they've announced they're going

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Speaker 4: to have they had so much fun making the song together,

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Speaker 4: they're going to do it again. They are going to

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Speaker 4: release a new song and it's going to come out

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Speaker 4: on Friday.

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Speaker 3: Great cool as enjoy see you tomorrow and new some z.

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Speaker 22: Baby you blame me, baby, I blame you. I'm that

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Speaker 22: to make this kind of mess up by myself. And

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Speaker 22: if you go and tell the t.

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Speaker 23: H.

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