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Speaker 3: Hemmy All Blacks sign off their pre test preparations by
Speaker 3: having them board with the Horns and Loveless with now
Speaker 3: fifty points to.
Speaker 2: Nineteen three from three on their tour of South Africa
Speaker 2: for the All Blacks, Now the fun really begins. The
Speaker 2: first test at Alice Park looms Large seven days from now.
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Speaker 2: News Talks V three from three for the All Blacks
Speaker 2: in South Africa.
Speaker 3: Now Tima, Tima, Now I on the charge, taking eight
Speaker 3: meters short of the line. Recycled nicely for precedents. It's
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Speaker 2: Yeah. That was the eighth of eight tries. The All
Speaker 2: Black scored and beating the Bulls fifty points to nineteen.
Speaker 2: In Pretoria. This morning, All Black's assistant coach Neil Barnes
Speaker 2: is with Neil, thanks for your time. Have you gotten
Speaker 2: what you needed from these three tour games before the
Speaker 2: Test series starts?
Speaker 4: Ah, Look, Jason, I guess as a coach you're always
Speaker 4: wanting more. But we've had a good test up front
Speaker 4: like this. When you think of our first game against
Speaker 4: the Stormers, we got showed up a little bit now
Speaker 4: more d set Pece side of it, but we've made
Speaker 4: some shifts in that still got more to do. But
Speaker 4: the awesome thing is we're creating a lot of opportunities.
Speaker 4: Just unfortunately our skill set to night didn't let us
Speaker 4: execute as much as we'd like.
Speaker 2: That's interesting because from outside looking in, I guess it
Speaker 2: was a very efficient performance with really good moments on
Speaker 2: both sides of the ball. But you still think there's
Speaker 2: more to come with ball in hand.
Speaker 4: Yeah, without being too negative, I think we probably left
Speaker 4: four or five tries out there. Like I said, we're
Speaker 4: creating a lot and that's where after, but we've just
Speaker 4: got to get better at finishing off. But yeah, look
Speaker 4: we're getting plenty out of it, and good on these
Speaker 4: teams that were playing against because it's out of season
Speaker 4: for them. They're having their first hit out for quite
Speaker 4: a while before they start their big seasons again, so
Speaker 4: it's not easy for them. So yeah, I thought the Bulls,
Speaker 4: you've got to give them credit. They came out with
Speaker 4: a positive attitude today and played and had a bit
Speaker 4: of pressure at times, So yeah, it's good.
Speaker 2: How much will things now ramp up as you reach
Speaker 2: the test segment of the tour.
Speaker 4: Well, obviously, yeah, you find tune a lot. Now it's
Speaker 4: a test match coming up, less experimentation, but we'll still
Speaker 4: be playing with a positive mindset. It'll just be at
Speaker 4: a way, way higher level. As we're all well aware.
Speaker 4: If we're planning against one of the best sides in
Speaker 4: the world and there've been understanding that we'll need to
Speaker 4: be at our best to compete.
Speaker 2: Are there still places up for grabs in the test site?
Speaker 4: Oh hell yes, We've got a pretty open mindset what
Speaker 4: our test team should look like. Obviously you have a
Speaker 4: rough idea what it would be. But the awesome thing
Speaker 4: about these games is allowing people to put their hands up,
Speaker 4: and we've got a lot of competition now across across
Speaker 4: the team for different positions.
Speaker 2: Is that the message you give to those who perhaps think, hey,
Speaker 2: I'm not in the picture for the test side, is
Speaker 2: that the message you give them that you know the
Speaker 2: door isn't closed to anybody and we just need you
Speaker 2: to put your hands up.
Speaker 4: Well, we've been pretty clear in this whole tour where
Speaker 4: one team, we've deliberately haven't picked a test side and
Speaker 4: midweek team. The USC players been rolled through in each
Speaker 4: game in different positions and with different mixes so yeah,
Speaker 4: I'll go back to it. The jerseys are there for
Speaker 4: the grabs and it's just it's going to be slipped
Speaker 4: in on performance.
Speaker 2: Camera regard and Will Jordan haven't played any rugbyond Tour yet.
Speaker 2: Do you have any concerns over their readiness for the
Speaker 2: first Test?
Speaker 4: Well, they've played a little bit, but they've just got
Speaker 4: Legli injuries at the moment, so I'm pretty sure they
Speaker 4: Well I can't even think back to the last games
Speaker 4: they played. I'm pretty sure that everyone's played.
Speaker 5: Some part of.
Speaker 4: It could be corrected, but no, no concerns at all
Speaker 4: in their preparations. So yeah, obviously be nice if they
Speaker 4: were out there getting more game time at the moment,
Speaker 4: but little Negli injuries, it's better on the safe side.
Speaker 2: You've been really clear a coaching group about how you
Speaker 2: want this team to play. How do you deal with
Speaker 2: the fact that South Africa will know what's coming from you?
Speaker 4: Well, that's part and part of it. We're just gotta
Speaker 4: have enough variety in our game that they can't anticipate
Speaker 4: what we're actually going to do. So yeah, we've got
Speaker 4: multi threats across our game. And yeah, if they get
Speaker 4: some wins and that sorde of thing defending us, so
Speaker 4: be it, but we'll keep trying to expose them.
Speaker 2: How ready are you for the South Africans aerial game?
Speaker 6: Ready enough?
Speaker 4: We've been training that side of it.
Speaker 5: Weren't happy where we were a.
Speaker 4: Game before last in that area, but I thought we've
Speaker 4: made shifts there. So yeah, it's not an easy situation.
Speaker 4: It's but of a lottery at times when people jumping
Speaker 4: up in the air and slapping it down. But we're
Speaker 4: doing our best to account of that. And if we
Speaker 4: can feed off those balls that we get and attack,
Speaker 4: well they'll be fine. Ue ball outside of set peace,
Speaker 4: weren't they indeed?
Speaker 2: And yeah, alluded to it before Neil, But more defense,
Speaker 2: you feel you're in a good place to counter, you know,
Speaker 2: line out drives, et cetera, close to your line.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the boys have stepped up there big time.
Speaker 4: I've put some fair bit of work into that and
Speaker 4: a fair bit of detail. Yeah, Look, every now and then,
Speaker 4: it's a tough situation to be in there. If you
Speaker 4: get one thing wrong, a good team will put it
Speaker 4: over the line. So at the moment, happy with we
Speaker 4: we're getting to but obviously that will need to go
Speaker 4: up and level against the spring Box because they're pretty
Speaker 4: damn good at what they do.
Speaker 2: How has Richie mu Wonga integrated himself back into the
Speaker 2: All Blacks?
Speaker 4: Do we've gone in this morning? He seems to have
Speaker 4: traveled really well. Obviously, Boy's pretty happy to see him.
Speaker 4: He's a team member of ours. But yeah, good him
Speaker 4: being is humble, but hardly seen because we're in game
Speaker 4: mode today. It's not something that we've had a lot
Speaker 4: of team meetings or anything like that. They've got their
Speaker 4: own time before we come to play. So I've seen
Speaker 4: them at meal times and he seems in good spirits
Speaker 4: all right.
Speaker 2: Just to finish then, how do you maximize the time
Speaker 2: you have between now and kick off in the first
Speaker 2: test a week or so from now?
Speaker 4: Oh, no different any test week, Jason. We're pretty set
Speaker 4: routine of how we go about our work less sometimes
Speaker 4: more in these situations. We know where we want to
Speaker 4: play and we'll be nailing into our chat decks who
Speaker 4: want to use against the Box and layer that in
Speaker 4: on Monday, train it on Tuesday, and yeah, the week
Speaker 4: comes Bear is towards the tail end of the week.
Speaker 2: Congratulations on three from three to start the tour and
Speaker 2: Neil always appreciate you taking the time for a chat.
Speaker 2: Thanks for thanks for taking the call.
Speaker 4: Not a problem, Jason chairs mate, No.
Speaker 2: Thank you, mate. That is Neil Barness, assistant coach of
Speaker 2: the All Blacks. You've heard from him. You've watched these
Speaker 2: first three games. Time for your assessment. Are we ready
Speaker 2: for the box?
Speaker 7: Oh?
Speaker 2: Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty three from three against
Speaker 2: the franchise sites. Each performance a step up from the
Speaker 2: one before. I think that's fair to say, steady improvement
Speaker 2: in key areas and a continuation and an evolution of
Speaker 2: the game plan set out by Dave Annie and his
Speaker 2: coaching team. Now we shouldn't fool ourselves, and I don't
Speaker 2: think anybody is. The test matches will be several notches
Speaker 2: up from the games against the Stormers, the Sharks and
Speaker 2: the Balls, all of who, as you heard Neil Barnes
Speaker 2: say there, are out of season and have been weakened
Speaker 2: by the withdrawal of their international players. The spring Boks
Speaker 2: are an utterly formidable rugby side, number one in the
Speaker 2: world for a reason, and Alice Park will be an
Speaker 2: absolute cauldron next weekend. But the All Blacks have got
Speaker 2: very good value out of these first three matches on
Speaker 2: tour game time for just about everybody, a further reinforcement
Speaker 2: of the way they want to play, and exposure to
Speaker 2: South African opposition and conditions. They can approach the biggest
Speaker 2: week of their year so far with I reckon a
Speaker 2: fair degree of confidence and some quiet optimism. As far
Speaker 2: as the site is concerned. To play the first Test,
Speaker 2: it seems pretty settled, doesn't it well. Jordan and camroy
Speaker 2: Guard haven't yet played on tour as they manage injuries.
Speaker 2: Neither has Rdi Savera, of course, having been a late arrival.
Speaker 2: The last game for those three was the Test against
Speaker 2: Ireland at Eden Park a month ago. No need for
Speaker 2: concern though hopefully all three will be fine to start
Speaker 2: at Alice Park. Damien mackenzie though, as carrying an ankle injury,
Speaker 2: and Davin he said afterwards he is the player that
Speaker 2: they are least certain about, but he was still hopeful
Speaker 2: that Damien McKenzie would be okay. So the test site
Speaker 2: seems pretty settled. Three places up for grabs in the
Speaker 2: starting fifteen. I would say tight head prop tyre Al
Speaker 2: Lomax or Fletcher Neu'll to start. The other coming off
Speaker 2: the bench and the second row. Has Fabian Holland got
Speaker 2: enough rugby in his legs to play the first Test
Speaker 2: or to start the first Test. If he hasn't, then
Speaker 2: it's Patrick Tweetolotu and Josh Lord and on the left
Speaker 2: wing Caleb Clark's come home of course, So who is eleven?
Speaker 2: A few choices Josh Morby, Leroy Carter fairv young and awful.
Speaker 2: Morby has the inside running after another solid two try
Speaker 2: outing this morning. Good displays in the black jersey both
Speaker 2: here and in South Africa. I thought Lee Roukarta had
Speaker 2: a really good game today as well, dotted down a
Speaker 2: couple of times, So there's options on the left wing.
Speaker 2: I think it'll probably be Morby the bench. Interesting, Anton
Speaker 2: Segna massive this morning. Massive. He has to be in
Speaker 2: the mix for the bench, so to Peter Larkey, who's
Speaker 2: impressed in every game he's played this year. And with
Speaker 2: two poor Vai playing at six, you don't need lock
Speaker 2: cover on the bench. So both Segna and Larkeye should
Speaker 2: be in the twenty three as one more has probably
Speaker 2: shaded Summersauny tokiaho for reserve hooker. Xavier Numa is a
Speaker 2: head of George Bauer as reserve loose head to Ethan
Speaker 2: de Groot and half back. Interesting Kyle Preston has taken
Speaker 2: every chance Center's way. He should be the backup to
Speaker 2: Roy guard, but it might be Cortes Luttem's greater experience
Speaker 2: that gets him the nod for the first Test. In
Speaker 2: that twenty one Jersey Anton Lennet Brown very solid international season,
Speaker 2: can play second five end center may get the night
Speaker 2: ahead of Tamothy Tavatavanawai's more barn storming qualities, and I
Speaker 2: think there's room in the reserves for Rico Youwane. He's
Speaker 2: looked good upon his return from Ireland. He covers wing
Speaker 2: and center, and there's even a scenario under which he
Speaker 2: starts the Test on the wing if Will Jordan has
Speaker 2: to move to fall back to cover McKenzie if he
Speaker 2: can't play. The other option, of course, is to play
Speaker 2: Boden Barrett at fallback. He was good this morning, certainly
Speaker 2: doesn't lack big game nous. So the group Taylor and Lomax,
Speaker 2: Tuwy Pilotto and Lord Vity, Jacobson, Savia Roygard and Love,
Speaker 2: Jordi Barrett and Topaya moreby Jordan and McKenzie f he's
Speaker 2: fit on the bench. Almor numea newall Segna Larkirattima Leonet
Speaker 2: Brown Yowane. That's how I do it. Oh, eight hundred
Speaker 2: and eighty ten eighty for your thoughts on that, and also,
Speaker 2: of course from a wider sense, how do you gauge
Speaker 2: our readiness for these massive test matches? A headlines are
Speaker 2: open eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Murray kick us off?
Speaker 8: Well, I think you've kicked off for me. Made or
Speaker 8: everything that you've said and selected was pretty much what
Speaker 8: I was going to produce.
Speaker 2: Well, I must have read your note. I must have
Speaker 2: read your note.
Speaker 8: Very quickly. I'm a gentleman of a certain age. So
Speaker 8: so the hearing might be going. But did I hear
Speaker 8: Neil Barnes say that he wasn't sure if Jordan or
Speaker 8: Rogan had played on the tour?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I might have caught him on the
Speaker 2: hop with the question because I think he knows they haven't.
Speaker 8: Well he did, he didn't answer every Well, then I've
Speaker 8: lost a bit of I've lost a bit of confidence
Speaker 8: of him if he doesn't know what his players are
Speaker 8: up to, especially two high profile players like that I
Speaker 8: thought it was answer group poorly. But anyway, as I
Speaker 8: said in the hearing, might be going.
Speaker 2: So you're happy enough with I mean I sort of
Speaker 2: gave I gave a twenty three yours by the sounds
Speaker 2: of it as similar. What about your levels of confidence, Murray,
Speaker 2: how are you feeling about Let's just go with the
Speaker 2: first test. How are feeling about next weekend?
Speaker 8: Well, I'm confident in us, Jason. I'm going to fly
Speaker 8: over there on Wednesday and I'm going to win.
Speaker 2: Murray.
Speaker 7: I to pack.
Speaker 8: I'm going to pack my black gear. I'm not going
Speaker 8: to pack anything else. That's how confident.
Speaker 2: I hope you've got some spare underwear and amongst all
Speaker 2: of it, Murray, I'm sure you've got that.
Speaker 8: Well, the conversations are generated now. I hate your listeners
Speaker 8: to get a picture of that. Good luck to the boys,
Speaker 8: I play good footing.
Speaker 2: Travel safe, Murray. Great to hear from.
Speaker 6: You.
Speaker 2: May give us a yell back when you get back
Speaker 2: or you know, I don't know. You probably can't call
Speaker 2: when you're over there. Time zones don't really fit. But
Speaker 2: have a great time, mate. You'll be joining as we understand,
Speaker 2: about over a thousand traveling fans.
Speaker 1: Imagine that.
Speaker 2: Imagine being an All Blacks fan at Alice Park to
Speaker 2: watch the All Blacks play the spring Bots. Murray, I'm
Speaker 2: jealous of you, mate, We're all very envious. Oh eight
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty ten eighty is our number? Andrew high today?
Speaker 2: How very good? Andrew, very good good.
Speaker 9: Just to cut the comments, I think South Africa and
Speaker 9: Rugby will be thinking what have they done in terms
Speaker 9: of giving them the opportunity to have for the warm
Speaker 9: up games, because I think anyone that started, anyone that
Speaker 9: played today could actually start. Like if push come to shove,
Speaker 9: there's no one there that you looked at that thought
Speaker 9: that you think can't start a Test match.
Speaker 2: That's a good point. Good point I think.
Speaker 9: I think Rika Yuanni was the standout today in terms
Speaker 9: of where he's gone and where he's got to under
Speaker 9: the new coaching groat. You can tell he's happy and
Speaker 9: a happy Rikae Yuani is probably one of the best
Speaker 9: centers in the world. I think Fabian Holland is emerging
Speaker 9: as probably the best lock in the world. When he
Speaker 9: chased down I know that the open side got the.
Speaker 10: Try that was called way way back for a knock on, but.
Speaker 9: When they when him and the open side headed for
Speaker 9: the ball, Holland just smoked them. Yeah, I mean he missed,
Speaker 9: he missed it as he went down, but his athleticism
Speaker 9: is off the chart. Now for me too, what does
Speaker 9: that mean when you've got a fitz Scooter? What does
Speaker 9: that mean when you've got a Fitz Scott Barrett?
Speaker 10: Does he get in?
Speaker 2: Well? Well, what about it? What about a Farbi and
Speaker 2: Holland Scott Barrett second row? You know that's one possibility.
Speaker 2: I mean we've got some some depth there now, Andrew,
Speaker 2: Josh Lord's been playing well. Patrick two plots we know
Speaker 2: about him, Sam Dowry, you know, and even if you
Speaker 2: have to go back to TV, there's there's half a
Speaker 2: dozen on forwards. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 9: The only thing I thought is Cody Taylor, great, great leader.
Speaker 9: He got two tries not denying that, but he missed
Speaker 9: one that I think I'm more would have got close
Speaker 9: to the line. I just think explosive wise, I'm a
Speaker 9: little to be.
Speaker 11: On the bench.
Speaker 9: I agree with you the team that you announced, but
Speaker 9: I just think I'm more as emerging as the dynamite player,
Speaker 9: the guy with the horsepower, the guy with the explosiveness,
Speaker 9: and and and as good a leader as Cody as
Speaker 9: I don't think Cody has that.
Speaker 2: Over a Miller. I certainly think was gone past toky
Speaker 2: Hal in the in the impact role. I think they'll
Speaker 2: start Taylor and I think you'd probably agree on Rico.
Speaker 2: Really interesting point andron Ricco Yowani, it just felt like
Speaker 2: he over the last couple of seasons didn't really know
Speaker 2: what his place was in the orin.
Speaker 9: He was lost lost, and he's come back and he's
Speaker 9: been given certainty, he's been given focus, and I think
Speaker 9: he's going to start playing the best rugby of his career.
Speaker 2: Well, that would be something to see. He's I think
Speaker 2: he might have dropped a couple of kids as well,
Speaker 2: not that he needed to. But he's lean, he's live,
Speaker 2: he's quite looked hungry. Yeah, good point.
Speaker 9: Last last point i'd made from the from the Can
Speaker 9: you believe it?
Speaker 7: Fo?
Speaker 9: Can you believe that Australian rugby dropped Dave Rennie and
Speaker 9: replaced them with Eddie Jo?
Speaker 2: I cannot. Until the end of time, I will not
Speaker 2: understand that decision.
Speaker 9: Yeah, And I think that they're developing a style of
Speaker 9: rugby that that South Africa won't won't cope with. I
Speaker 9: think that the style of rugby, the speed of the ball,
Speaker 9: the way they're playing the game under any and it
Speaker 9: sort of highlights how lost everyone was under Robertson and
Speaker 9: how Robertson wasn't really the right man for the job.
Speaker 9: But I think it just highlights that they've changed everything
Speaker 9: they do. And I think we'll get parody with South
Speaker 9: Africa up front, with the forward pack that we're going
Speaker 9: to have. I think we may even dominate South Africa upfront.
Speaker 9: And I think that the style of play that's emerging
Speaker 9: South Africa won't be won't be able to handle, and
Speaker 9: I think it's a style of rugby that will win
Speaker 9: us the World Cup.
Speaker 2: Great Summery Andrews, I love the positivity. I hope you're right, mate,
Speaker 2: I hope you're right. And I'm nodding along to the
Speaker 2: stuff you're saying. Good to hear from. You make callback
Speaker 2: during the series and we'll keep chatting. Yeah. The Errico
Speaker 2: Jauani is a really interesting case. I think he is.
Speaker 2: We forget how good he was, you know, when he
Speaker 2: was when he first came into the All Blacks. He
Speaker 2: he was as good as well Jordan on the wing
Speaker 2: you know, in terms of his speed, his pace as power,
Speaker 2: he's got a truckload of tries. Decided that he would
Speaker 2: like to play at center, and Ian Foster said, okay,
Speaker 2: and Scott Robertson, I think you know he didn't play
Speaker 2: at center much at all under is it he sort
Speaker 2: of got pushback out to the wing. But under under
Speaker 2: Ian Foster, certainly Rico Yoani became a very good center.
Speaker 2: And now perhaps as he reintegrates back into the team
Speaker 2: in more of a full time basis, maybe it's his
Speaker 2: utility value off the bench and his experience is going
Speaker 2: to be most valuable to the team. I think he's
Speaker 2: in the twenty three. I really do. Eight hundred eighty
Speaker 2: ten eighty nine two ninety two is our text number.
Speaker 2: You don't have to share the overwhelming optimism. You don't
Speaker 2: want to. That's you know. All opinions are welcome in particular,
Speaker 2: always love hearing from South African rugby fans based here
Speaker 2: in New Zealand. I know there are many listening if
Speaker 2: you want to give your viewpoint. I mean, how optimistic
Speaker 2: are you feeling having watched the All Blacks fairly comfortably
Speaker 2: beat these three URC sides. Former super rugby sides. I
Speaker 2: mean South Africa have been quietly going about their business
Speaker 2: in the background and getting ready for this test. They
Speaker 2: had the narrow one over Argentina, didn't they, But they
Speaker 2: will be sob up for this, sew up for it.
Speaker 2: So South African fans based here, how are you feeling?
Speaker 2: All Blacks fans? How are you feeling? Speareline Oh, eight
Speaker 2: hundred eighty ten eighty twelve twenty seven. We're back in
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Speaker 2: Thanks Glenn, I appreciate it. You can send yours through
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Speaker 2: want to pick up on from this morning or as
Speaker 2: we look at to the first test. Hey, George, good
Speaker 2: a Piney haws a go Yeah good George. Thanks.
Speaker 6: Hey, hey you comment here A very fascinated by the
Speaker 6: what's going to be the loose forward mix both starting
Speaker 6: in on the bench. I think as you said, I
Speaker 6: think too provided he is going to be that six,
Speaker 6: and I really agree with you Piney that it's both
Speaker 6: signor and lark. I've done more than enough to justify
Speaker 6: a selection on the bench, but I also reckon you've
Speaker 6: got to still carry a lock, so for me, I
Speaker 6: think that opens up a six to two bench. Yes,
Speaker 6: I just get worried expecting to provider move in to
Speaker 6: lock in one of those other locks to go eighty
Speaker 6: as well. You just don't really have that type five
Speaker 6: punch or freshness in the last twenty minutes, which is
Speaker 6: going to be so important in terms of the physicality.
Speaker 2: I guess it's a in a test match in general terms,
Speaker 2: you normally only have one one lock in reserve, so
Speaker 2: one of your locks normally goes eighty right, Normally they do,
Speaker 2: Sometimes they both do, not as often. But yeah, I
Speaker 2: get what I get what you're saying, and I do
Speaker 2: I do have written down here six to two and
Speaker 2: so yeah, and it would be not at all surprising
Speaker 2: if daver Renie does that in one of these test matches,
Speaker 2: or more than one of them.
Speaker 6: Yeah, because I think in this case, if you go
Speaker 6: those two loosies on the bench and say VI can
Speaker 6: cover a lock, you are asking whoever those lots that
Speaker 6: finish the game are you're going to be They're going
Speaker 6: to be both going eighty minutes. I think even via,
Speaker 6: even if you gets subbed, you know, I think you
Speaker 6: still need to carry dairy on the bench and be
Speaker 6: bringing a lock into the game for the last twenty minutes.
Speaker 6: But I don't know, you know, Dave and he had
Speaker 6: said he would try six two or look at it
Speaker 6: over here, But I thought they would have probably had
Speaker 6: a look at it by now if they were going
Speaker 6: to use it in the first test. But yeah, it's
Speaker 6: going to be interesting to see what they do with
Speaker 6: that bench lineup.
Speaker 2: Yeah, indeed. Yeah, So if they go six to two,
Speaker 2: then I don't know, I know it's risky, but I'd
Speaker 2: almost run without a reserve halfback. I mean, I know
Speaker 2: if Roygard's been injured, but if Roygard hadn't been injured,
Speaker 2: for example, I mean, the guy can go eighty minutes,
Speaker 2: and in a lot of test matches under Reney, he's
Speaker 2: played seventy minutes and sometimes more. So I'd almost gamble
Speaker 2: on not having a reserve halfback. I know it's a
Speaker 2: huge gamble because what if he goes down in the
Speaker 2: first five minutes. But yeah, then you're saying, Okay, let's
Speaker 2: say it is rough to mar or Priceton, doesn't matter who,
Speaker 2: and then you got one more back reserve. So I
Speaker 2: guess there's a lot of guys who can cover a
Speaker 2: lot of places. It's probably Lennett Brown, I would say,
Speaker 2: maybe Yoani. But yeah, there's a few selection conundrums I
Speaker 2: think ahead of this team.
Speaker 6: But I thought they might have got done that the
Speaker 6: other day when Roygard was a late scratching and just
Speaker 6: gone gone to six to two then and had had lea
Speaker 6: Ocada covering wingan half. I think that I think you're right,
Speaker 6: Like you know, roy God is gonna be such a
Speaker 6: huge part of these first few matches that you there's, yeah,
Speaker 6: there's scope there to take the risk and have Lera
Speaker 6: Ocada on the bench and he can cover obviously wing
Speaker 6: and wining half back, and then you've potentially got, you know,
Speaker 6: to take Rico or something like that because you've got
Speaker 6: firstft covered as McKenzie's playing, and there's that element of
Speaker 6: versatility anyway, So I get what you say at the risk,
Speaker 6: but I think you do need that lock cover first
Speaker 6: and foremost.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good point. Help it anyway, mate, Yeah,
Speaker 2: Now help domestic get your feeling before you get back
Speaker 2: to your family.
Speaker 6: Oh great, Yeah, no, I think it's been It's been
Speaker 6: a fantastic to it to see some of these guys
Speaker 6: on their fringes of the squad get get full game
Speaker 6: time and get combinations going. I I came over thinking
Speaker 6: it will be a tough, tough ass, but I reckon
Speaker 6: we're going to be really prime for this first test
Speaker 6: just seeing how those box at we went against Argentina. Yeah,
Speaker 6: are acsonally are going to be looking good?
Speaker 2: Todd Man, George, good to chat mate. Enjoy the rest
Speaker 2: of your weekend, will no doubt discuss this test series
Speaker 2: as it plays out. Good to hear from you. Oh,
Speaker 2: eight hundred and eighty ten eighties and number as always
Speaker 2: twenty five to one. Carter can play center as well.
Speaker 2: You see, the Leroy Carter thing is very interesting to me.
Speaker 2: He can play wing, he can play center, apparently he
Speaker 2: can play halfback. Just because he can doesn't mean that
Speaker 2: he is ready to in a massive test series like this.
Speaker 2: He may well be, and I'm sure he thinks he
Speaker 2: is because he's a confident guy, and every All Black
Speaker 2: and in the squad will believe they can fill any
Speaker 2: role that is given to them. The six two is interesting,
Speaker 2: and like I said, I my views on hookers and
Speaker 2: halfback so that it's almost like a compulsory switch. You
Speaker 2: don't have to make these changes. I mean, hooker may
Speaker 2: be a bigger workload in terms of the robust nature
Speaker 2: of the role. But there are many times I've watch
Speaker 2: camroy Guard play and he's not the only one. Aaron
Speaker 2: Smith was the same. Many times I've watched the All
Speaker 2: Blacks play. I've watched Cam roy Guard play for the Hurricanes,
Speaker 2: Aeron Smith for the Highlanders, and I thought they could
Speaker 2: go eighty minutes. Why take them off if it's a
Speaker 2: tight game and they're playing well. There is a need
Speaker 2: to have a reserve halfback in case of injury. I
Speaker 2: totally understand that, of course there is. It's a really
Speaker 2: interesting little dynamic and Dave Rennie seems more than happy
Speaker 2: to keep camroy Guard on for the vast majority of
Speaker 2: the game. And I'm talking into the seventies in terms
Speaker 2: of minutes. Often it's almost like you know in Super
Speaker 2: Rugby or or previously in the All Blacks, there's been this,
Speaker 2: you know, the sixty seven minute mark arrives or whatever
Speaker 2: it is, sixty three minutes whatever, and they make the
Speaker 2: change because I know they can seal all the GPS numbers.
Speaker 2: I know all that, and it's based on more than
Speaker 2: just feel. But maybe sometimes it should be based on feel.
Speaker 2: What are your eyes telling you, Dave RENI feels like
Speaker 2: an eyes up coach to me, not a laptop coach. Yes,
Speaker 2: take a look at the data in game, but what
Speaker 2: is he feeling out there? What's he seeing from a
Speaker 2: guy like cam roy Guard. Glenn high Night, Barney, how
Speaker 2: are you yeah?
Speaker 3: Good?
Speaker 2: Glenn?
Speaker 6: Thanks good?
Speaker 12: No? No, no, no to the six to two. No,
Speaker 12: it's looking the game we're trying to play. We're trying
Speaker 12: to go around them. Six two is downe one year.
Speaker 12: I'm sorry, that's it's just picked three bags because it
Speaker 12: makes our point of difference. We need to hold them
Speaker 12: in the forwards, makes him in the falls, but will
Speaker 12: beat them in the beaks. So because yeah, I'm afraid
Speaker 12: I'm can would agree with the six teas, but I
Speaker 12: think it's a I don't think it's the rocking se.
Speaker 12: So the list has asked me this morning, who are
Speaker 12: these guys playing today? He could play in the tests,
Speaker 12: and I thought by he probably about probably five or
Speaker 12: six who are looking at it, who are looking, you know,
Speaker 12: to keep maybe next weekend interesting to chat about Riko Yoani.
Speaker 12: I think if he's confident, he needs heapyat I think
Speaker 12: he's a really good player that has attitude, you know,
Speaker 12: I'm not talking about on a tech. On a tech
Speaker 12: he's a he's a genius, but sometimes gratitude on defense
Speaker 12: and he's not feeling we can really out for it.
Speaker 12: And I don't think he possibly does in the Dutch
Speaker 12: like some other people do. But yeah, it's still a
Speaker 12: very very good player. Both both when could easily start,
Speaker 12: there's quite a few of that. Obviously, Cody's Taylor will
Speaker 12: start Holland I just don't quite think he's really just
Speaker 12: started his match at Elis Park against South Africa. Like
Speaker 12: I know, I know he went eighty and he did
Speaker 12: well his handsley and down a couple of times. He's
Speaker 12: a very very good player. I think he just needs
Speaker 12: another week of contact training under his belt before he comes.
Speaker 12: And I don't definitely don't think he's started. But yeah,
Speaker 12: I realize the way we're playing, it's really exciting. It
Speaker 12: reminds me all of of the Callen era in the
Speaker 12: early Card and McCall era. You know, when we were
Speaker 12: going around teams and we have a god beating all
Speaker 12: we put fifty on them and you know as well
Speaker 12: as you've watched unties rock and so I sometimes we
Speaker 12: can't get a bit for a music. So I'm just
Speaker 12: I'm just hope. I'm really interested for this. I'm a
Speaker 12: lot more confident now than I was before the tour started.
Speaker 2: I feel, Yeah, I feel the same way I do too. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I was, I was. I think I felt I felt
Speaker 2: positive going over there having watched them play in July.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think these three games all be it
Speaker 2: against much lesser opposition than they'll face an extend again.
Speaker 2: But that the intent. I think you're right. I think
Speaker 2: what we're seeing the feel of the team. I think
Speaker 2: is something that engenders optimism among Wall Black All Blacks fans.
Speaker 12: And I really like the fact that we're not using
Speaker 12: the three men poard, you know, the three topeboards standing
Speaker 12: in the pod, because that was absolutely cutting into in
Speaker 12: twenty fourteen. And I think some play I think some
Speaker 12: teams have worked out. So yeah, quite quite glad to
Speaker 12: see the back of that.
Speaker 13: So I guess we'll g.
Speaker 6: Wait.
Speaker 2: Will Glenn good on your mate, think drive safe? Good
Speaker 2: to Jetty you made always love jetting rugby with you
Speaker 2: and other sport too. Paul says Irick and Segna must
Speaker 2: have played his way into the twenty three this morning.
Speaker 2: I'd have her man like I know, Locke, Presston, Yrwani
Speaker 2: and either Morby or fair Hair on the bench. Thanks Paul. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there's options in a couple of positions. I think they'd
Speaker 2: love to have Holland there because he's such a big body,
Speaker 2: isn't he He's massive, a big hunk of a man
Speaker 2: as it were. They'd love to have him and his physicality,
Speaker 2: and we'll keep he played eighty minutes this morning thing.
Speaker 2: I think he played the hol lady so clearly he's
Speaker 2: up to eighty minutes. What will they do next week
Speaker 2: if they do play vity at six, and they will
Speaker 2: otherwise he would have played today, So tupul Viti will
Speaker 2: start at six next week. Then they don't necessarily have
Speaker 2: to have a lock on the bench because they can
Speaker 2: move him in game. If they want to bring one
Speaker 2: of their locks off, they may go with Holland they
Speaker 2: may well say, you know what, we've seen enough. We've
Speaker 2: got a good body of work from last year. We've
Speaker 2: seen him twice now on the tour. I think he's
Speaker 2: played two games. I'm just gonna absolutely check that. Yes,
Speaker 2: he's started two games, the Stormers and the Bulls. They
Speaker 2: may well have seen enough to be convinced that he
Speaker 2: is good to go. I think on any given day
Speaker 2: he is one of your first choice locks. So maybe
Speaker 2: you just get him in there. Grant. Turn that radio down, mate,
Speaker 2: because we're in delay on your radios. So turn that
Speaker 2: down and then will and you and I can chat
Speaker 2: much more, much more logically without that sound in the background.
Speaker 2: Good boy, how are you?
Speaker 8: You said, good morning?
Speaker 2: Pony No, I said, good afternoon. I don't think we're
Speaker 2: that far de late.
Speaker 10: I have to get a new phone. I think the
Speaker 10: South Africans have made some bad strategic and tactical errors
Speaker 10: because of the time of year that they're playing. Obviously
Speaker 10: they have no choice about playing this time of year,
Speaker 10: but the fact that they're playing in the Northern Hemisphere now,
Speaker 10: which means this season doesn't start till September. So if
Speaker 10: I was South Africa, I would have at least two,
Speaker 10: if not three, warm up test matches. I mean, we
Speaker 10: saw against Stargeant Tina. You know they want the All
Speaker 10: Blacks in the first Test of the year, bumbling and
Speaker 10: things like that. So to my mind, the All Blacks
Speaker 10: best chance of a win is that first Test. If
Speaker 10: you win that first Test, then the other team has
Speaker 10: to win three tests out of three to win the
Speaker 10: series until eternally if we lose, same sort of thing,
Speaker 10: I think actually, if I was a betting man, which
Speaker 10: I'm not, but if I was a betting man, I
Speaker 10: think the option may be to test all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and if you've been listening, and I know you're
Speaker 2: a big z B list and we've talked a bit
Speaker 2: about what would be happy with, and I've said I'd
Speaker 2: be happy with two two. But the more I think
Speaker 2: about it the more I think, you know what, I
Speaker 2: want us to win every test we play. And look,
Speaker 2: I think we'll find out a week from now just
Speaker 2: how big the gap is. I think Dave Rennie said
Speaker 2: after the game today, said, I it'll be four or
Speaker 2: five fold, you know, call it whatever you like. It's
Speaker 2: going to be a massive step up from the storm
Speaker 2: as the Sharks and the Balls. I mean. South Africa
Speaker 2: did have their Nations Championship games in July, grant you know,
Speaker 2: they played England, Scotland and Wales and had you know,
Speaker 2: put forty on all of them. Yeah, I think last
Speaker 2: week against Argentina, when was that last Yeah, that was
Speaker 2: last week they were You're right, they were a little
Speaker 2: bit off their game. I would not be at all
Speaker 2: surprised if they bang on their game next Saturday, but
Speaker 2: I guess we'll find out.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I think it was the fact that they had
Speaker 10: that gap between the Nations all these different names they
Speaker 10: call them the Nations Cup, and then the game against
Speaker 10: is Argentina that.
Speaker 8: I mean.
Speaker 10: I'm certainly pleased with the style of rugby that the
Speaker 10: All Blacks are playing and they're getting the balance right.
Speaker 10: As many at the start said, well maybe we're running
Speaker 10: the ball a bit too much. Sometimes we have to
Speaker 10: take it in and control it, which is that they're
Speaker 10: getting the getting better and I think one of the
Speaker 10: and it's good to have a choice of good players
Speaker 10: like to Pire and Rico as center. You know, it's
Speaker 10: almost well, we've got two really good players, who do
Speaker 10: we start a center?
Speaker 2: Yeah? And you're right right. I mean, you got to
Speaker 2: earn the right, don't you. They often say I got
Speaker 2: to earn the right to be expensive and to play
Speaker 2: that way. And you earn your right by, you know,
Speaker 2: by doing the tough work, the grunt work up front.
Speaker 2: I guess you'd say establishing the platform, I think is
Speaker 2: one of the trendy ways of saying it. God only
Speaker 2: grunt black He says, get Piney, gets your head away
Speaker 2: from the soccer field, talking about the bench. Sam Dowry
Speaker 2: has to be there somewhere, thanks Blackie. They may not
Speaker 2: carry lock cover. They don't have to. They may not
Speaker 2: carry lock cover. What test. They haven't gone six to
Speaker 2: two this year? Have they? I'm just gonna absolutely check that. No,
Speaker 2: they've gone five to three every single time. As George
Speaker 2: said earlier, I think they had they been thinking about
Speaker 2: six two. You thought they might have given it a
Speaker 2: crack at some stage. But they've gone five to three
Speaker 2: bench in the entire Dave Renny era, and they may
Speaker 2: well go five to three again. But that doesn't mean
Speaker 2: they have to have a lock. I mean, I look
Speaker 2: back to the game against the Sharks, they didn't have
Speaker 2: a lock on the bench Blackadder and Lure. Even in
Speaker 2: the Test against Ireland, they didn't have a lock on
Speaker 2: the bench. Segna and Larkeye where there were the two reserves,
Speaker 2: they didn't have a lock that VI played six Lord
Speaker 2: and two or two started the game and I think
Speaker 2: Paddy Troops came off and top or I went to
Speaker 2: lock and yeah. So there's absolutely no cast iron guarantee
Speaker 2: that they'll take a lock on the bench. Twelve forty
Speaker 2: five Stew, I'm with you after this, Oh eight hundred
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Speaker 2: Coming up eleven to one on text, please explain six two. Yes, sorry,
Speaker 2: I shouldn't have assumed that knowledge. Six two you get
Speaker 2: eight reserves. Obviously eight reserves. Six to two is when
Speaker 2: you go six forwards two backs. The the I guess
Speaker 2: conventional method is five forwards and three backs. Six two
Speaker 2: is when you load up with an extra forward reserve
Speaker 2: on the bench. Thanks for the question, stew Hi.
Speaker 14: Mate, Yeah, biney, I would have thought of the siding
Speaker 14: factor reis altitude. If we're gonna like the other I
Speaker 14: was saying to hold them in the forwards and run
Speaker 14: around them in the backs. At altitude we run out
Speaker 14: of puss and they put on six new forwards or seven,
Speaker 14: meaning now they're run we're not going to hold them
Speaker 14: anywhere in the falls. So I would have thought six
Speaker 14: two was a no brainer for playing in the spring box.
Speaker 14: At altitude, we've got every position covered. In the backs,
Speaker 14: we've got that many well, such diversity in the back.
Speaker 14: In the in the in the backs first five second,
Speaker 14: five per cent queens and four back, we've got multiple players.
Speaker 14: It can switch and be the best or at the
Speaker 14: top level only half back. As you say, it's cover injury. Yeah,
Speaker 14: I would have thought it was a no brainer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess that the counterpoints to reason yeah, no,
Speaker 2: And it's a good point. You're right. And South Africa,
Speaker 2: you know, we know they've gone seven to one, haven't
Speaker 2: they in the past? Oh they'll I don't know, they
Speaker 2: probably go six two, I would say, But that the
Speaker 2: counter point to that is, Okay, if you want to
Speaker 2: run them around, say in the last twenty minutes of
Speaker 2: a game, wouldn't you want fresh back line legs on
Speaker 2: the bench. I guess that's the counterpoint to what you're saying.
Speaker 2: I don't think there's a right or wrong answer, but yeah,
Speaker 2: they're going to I mean, they were the creators of
Speaker 2: the bomb squad, weren't they, the four or five forwards
Speaker 2: coming on at the same time sometime early in the
Speaker 2: second half.
Speaker 14: The other thing, too, I think is that we can't
Speaker 14: dwell in the past. But a few years ago we
Speaker 14: were able to adapt our game at the drop of
Speaker 14: the hat, that we could make decisions and change our
Speaker 14: game plan, and then we got into a situation where
Speaker 14: we couldn't do that. We had a format, we went
Speaker 14: on the field, we stuck with it. We just couldn't
Speaker 14: adapt and I think Dave Renie is bringing that that
Speaker 14: that back into the game.
Speaker 7: So if we've got to.
Speaker 14: Change our attack, our our plan at altitude, then we
Speaker 14: will and then he'll he'll, you know, I mean that's
Speaker 14: why we're We could put Party Saber on the bloody
Speaker 14: wing if we had to, if we ran out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, You're right, you can play. And you're
Speaker 2: so right about the versatility in the back stew You
Speaker 2: look at you know, the players who are likely to start,
Speaker 2: you know, in the test next week. Ruben Love can
Speaker 2: play you know, ten or fifteen, or on the wing
Speaker 2: if you need him to. Jordi Barrett can play pretty
Speaker 2: much anywhere, to Pie can play both midfield positions, Jordan McKenzie.
Speaker 2: They're all capable of playing a number of positions. Even
Speaker 2: Josh Morby can play both wings or fullback. So yeah,
Speaker 2: and I mean your points stands up really well. And
Speaker 2: so and you've had backing here on text as well, mate,
Speaker 2: saying I'm all for starting via at six, but we
Speaker 2: won't stay physical with the box for eighty if if
Speaker 2: our Locks are finishing the game having played eighty minutes,
Speaker 2: we need a big body on the bench. So you've
Speaker 2: got a you're a fan out there of your strategy.
Speaker 2: Stew thanks bidding good on your vate drive drive Savor
Speaker 2: and look at you. It's they They may you know,
Speaker 2: they may well go six to two, or they'll go
Speaker 2: five to three and they'll have a lock and one
Speaker 2: lose Forward. Larkeye and Signa have both been excellent on
Speaker 2: this tour. Both have really really presented a good case
Speaker 2: for inclusion. Probably not on the starting side because they're
Speaker 2: pretty settled with Vai, Jacobson and Savia, but Peter Lakeye
Speaker 2: and Anton Segna I don't think could have done anything
Speaker 2: more to turn Dave Renie's head. One of them will
Speaker 2: be on the bench, maybe both will seven away from one.
Speaker 2: New Stalk said be analyzing the plays and getting the inside.
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Speaker 2: Nigel says Plinty a blow out this morning sets us
Speaker 2: up well for the test next weekend. I think we're
Speaker 2: in a position where, in many positions it's hard to
Speaker 2: pick the starters. Great to see zaving Amir where he belongs. Finally,
Speaker 2: I would have liked to have seen more of big
Speaker 2: gym to Mothy Tavatavanawa. Nigel concludes by saying it looks
Speaker 2: like perhaps they're giving Anton len Brand more game time
Speaker 2: to set them up for a Benroth. Thanks Nigel, thank
Speaker 2: you for all your texts. They come flooding in after
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Speaker 2: Is where they're playing Test cricket Australia Bangladesh Australia one
Speaker 2: eighty three for five in their second innings. They still
Speaker 2: trail by forty five runs. Only five second innings wickets
Speaker 2: in hands. This is only day four. Who's in? Bow
Speaker 2: Webster and Cameron Green are in, so Steve Smith is out.
Speaker 2: He was not the lone hand in the first innings
Speaker 2: but certainly the major stumbling block for Bangladesh. He's out
Speaker 2: for forty four. Cameron Green there on fifty four. Bow
Speaker 2: Webster's just come in because Alex Carey was the latest
Speaker 2: to be dismissed. One eighty three for five Australia in
Speaker 2: their second innings man history in the offing. Bangladesh have
Speaker 2: never beaten Australia in a Test match in Australia. Piney,
Speaker 2: can we have an update on Luke Metcalf, please, asks Clint.
Speaker 2: I don't have the latest, Clint. After the game, Andrew
Speaker 2: Webster said that it was a hamstring. Obviously, I think
Speaker 2: we all knew that he wasn't sure how long he
Speaker 2: would be out for Hamstrings are so funny, aren't they
Speaker 2: Funny's the wrong word, but there that they could be
Speaker 2: a two or three week proposition at best, or if
Speaker 2: you've torn it you're out. That'll be it. He won't
Speaker 2: be back. It'll be a two month proposition or whatever
Speaker 2: it might be. We don't have the latest Clint, but
Speaker 2: as soon as we do we will let you know.
Speaker 2: I want to talk abouit about the Warriors and Luke
Speaker 2: Metcalf obviously shortly Kevin Campion standing by for a chap
Speaker 2: just as we continue our live Sport Chatham Cup Semi
Speaker 2: Final number two being played in christ Church at Garrick
Speaker 2: Memorial Park, home of Kashmere Tech, who are two one
Speaker 2: up over Napier City Rovers early in the second half.
Speaker 2: The winner will play Fencibles Fencibles United. I don't think
Speaker 2: they've ever been in the Chatham Cup Final. They are now.
Speaker 2: They beat Nelson Saburbs three nil yesterday to earn their place.
Speaker 2: We'll keep eyes on the second semi four year as well.
Speaker 2: Cash Tech two went ahead of Napier City Rovers early
Speaker 2: in the second half. This is weekend Sport on News Talks.
Speaker 2: He'd be for the second time and two visits to
Speaker 2: sun Corpse Stadium this season. The Warriors have put forty
Speaker 2: on the Broncos tonight.
Speaker 15: It's about those Warriors who just keep rolling on and
Speaker 15: grinding out wins with a ruthlessness, a professionalism, a bit
Speaker 15: of an aura. Forty to six a crushing win, and
Speaker 15: it's a Warriors crowd now.
Speaker 2: The broncost fans are long gone.
Speaker 15: We got something special happening.
Speaker 6: We do.
Speaker 2: Indeed, forty points to six, seven tries to one, it
Speaker 2: moves the Warriors level on points with the second place Panthers.
Speaker 2: Three regular season matches to play. Warriors icon Kevin Campion
Speaker 2: was there last night and watch Donnie joins us now
Speaker 2: givin thanks for joining us. How impressed were you with
Speaker 2: that performance from the Warriors last night?
Speaker 7: Yeah, look good.
Speaker 16: It was a great win by the boys. Just a
Speaker 16: very confident win. Yeah, look I predicted we'd win by fifty,
Speaker 16: but forty will do well.
Speaker 2: The confidence, the confidence is magnificent. What was it specifically
Speaker 2: that you really liked last night?
Speaker 16: Look, I just love the control that our forward back
Speaker 16: is is demanding at the moment. You know, they're they're
Speaker 16: just well balanced. Wade Eggan is, you know, doing some
Speaker 16: great work out of dummy half. I think our our forward,
Speaker 16: our forward leaders Btjie Barnett and Fish just been outstanding
Speaker 16: all year. And yeah, look yeah, it's just a well
Speaker 16: balanced forward back. And look at our defense in the
Speaker 16: last couple of weeks has just been outstanding as well.
Speaker 16: So look, I think, you know, we're setting ourselves up
Speaker 16: for a great final series. And unfortunately, you know, we
Speaker 16: had a few injuries last night, but look, I think
Speaker 16: we could cover those positions.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll get to the injuries in the moment, but
Speaker 2: I've written down here forward pack enormous, and you've just
Speaker 2: alluded to that. Is this a group of men good
Speaker 2: enough to take this team deep, deep into the finals?
Speaker 12: Oh?
Speaker 16: Look, yeah, I think we'll We'll go well into the finals.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 16: The hardest thing is aiming that Grand Violet. If we
Speaker 16: get there, I think we'll win it. I just I
Speaker 16: just know, you know that looking back at the forward
Speaker 16: pack that we had when we made two thousand and
Speaker 16: two Grand Violent, you know it, it was a really
Speaker 16: dominant forward pack. And and I just liken this side,
Speaker 16: you know, the twenty twenty six side to that two
Speaker 16: thousand and two side, you know, just very dominant and
Speaker 16: playing very patient football, very calm. You know, no one,
Speaker 16: no one, everyone knows that job on the field, and
Speaker 16: you know, I think that's why we're winning games.
Speaker 2: How much confidence do you think we should take from
Speaker 2: the fact that now in consecutive weeks the Warriors of
Speaker 2: beating pen Russ and albeit Brisbn haven't had a great season,
Speaker 2: but my other reigning champions, how much confidence that have
Speaker 2: beat Moost two teams in consecutive weeks so convincingly.
Speaker 13: Yeah.
Speaker 16: I was really happy that, you know, the boys got
Speaker 16: over the the Pathers. I think, you know, they've been
Speaker 16: a bit of a bogy side for us, and it
Speaker 16: was just great to see them grow in confidence win,
Speaker 16: you know, winning the game against the Banders. You know,
Speaker 16: they're the benchmark of the competition. You know, I would
Speaker 16: I don't really worried about the Broncoze. You know, they've
Speaker 16: had a really off season. Yeah, Grand finalist Premiers last
Speaker 16: year and you know nearly Wooden Spoon Asia.
Speaker 17: Yeah.
Speaker 16: Look, I just I'm just really happy that they got
Speaker 16: over over you know, that baby team, the Panthers a
Speaker 16: couple of weeks ago. I think I think that was
Speaker 16: just made us all feel, you know, we can we could,
Speaker 16: actually we can win this.
Speaker 2: The look Metcalfe enjoy a cruel moment, Hey don't. He
Speaker 2: just returned to the starting side, was playing with confidence.
Speaker 2: How big a blow might that be?
Speaker 16: Well, well, I don't know if it's a big blow.
Speaker 16: Look outstanding last week and then you know obviously started
Speaker 16: the game pretty well yesterday. Yeah, just a bit of
Speaker 16: a freakish injury. I don't know what the call when
Speaker 16: you know what the outcome was. Maybe he's Tawney's hamstring again,
Speaker 16: I'm not sure. But look, you know we've we've got
Speaker 16: We've put ourselves in there in a great position with players,
Speaker 16: and we've you know that we've been able to use
Speaker 16: the whole year. And you know, I just think, you know,
Speaker 16: I think where we will just stick, try and through
Speaker 16: and I think, you know, I know Luke, you know
Speaker 16: it is an important part of the team. But you know,
Speaker 16: we've put ourselves in this position without him, so I
Speaker 16: think we're well balanced.
Speaker 2: We've talked a lot of this year about the Warriors
Speaker 2: being a very good team and they are. Are they
Speaker 2: now getting to the point where there were a team
Speaker 2: that other sides will genuinely not want to play in
Speaker 2: the finals matches?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 16: You know, you know, we've we've spent ourselves right in
Speaker 16: the top four. You know we're a top four side.
Speaker 16: Possibly you know, came out with the minor premiership. I'm
Speaker 16: not sure, but look, look we've set ourselves up. I
Speaker 16: think the Warriors have been a saying that everyone's you know,
Speaker 16: don't like playing over the years, so particularly this year.
Speaker 16: You know, we're we're just a great, well balanced side.
Speaker 16: As I keep on saying, you know, we're we're playing
Speaker 16: with a lot of confidence and that's great credit to
Speaker 16: you know, the coach and the and the staff. I think, yeah,
Speaker 16: I think we're on our way.
Speaker 2: Are you a believer in momentum? Is that a Is
Speaker 2: that a genuine thing when we get to August September.
Speaker 16: Well, you look at the Broncos last year. You know
Speaker 16: they were well out. I think they're mid range halfway
Speaker 16: through the year and then they got on a role
Speaker 16: and their momentum going into that Grand Pom. Yeah, no
Speaker 16: one could stop them. You know, they were playing with
Speaker 16: so much confidence. Yeah, my menum is a big thing
Speaker 16: and we don't want to lose that. You know, we
Speaker 16: want to finish the year strong. We want to finish
Speaker 16: the year with some really good wins and we can
Speaker 16: do with you know, we've got a couple of good
Speaker 16: sides coming up in the next couple of weeks. You know,
Speaker 16: we've got an old boys day against the Knights in
Speaker 16: the next couple of weeks, so that'll be that'll be exciting,
Speaker 16: and yeah, I think the Boys will be up to that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I bet, I bet, and a lot of keywis
Speaker 2: in Queensland as we know, Campo. Did it feel like
Speaker 2: a home game last night?
Speaker 16: It was. It was a funny game. You know, we've
Speaker 16: spect stadium, you know before kickoffs, but I reckon half,
Speaker 16: you know, halfway through the second half everyone was leaving.
Speaker 16: So it was great. It was great to say, you know,
Speaker 16: that's what teams for to day. They want to send
Speaker 16: the grid, you know, the home crowd home, you know,
Speaker 16: feeling sorry for themselves.
Speaker 6: And we did that last time.
Speaker 2: Absolutely did. Yeah, I saw those seats emptying out at
Speaker 2: the end. Good on you, Kevin, thanks indeed for joining us.
Speaker 2: Kevin Campion there he lives in Queensland these days. I
Speaker 2: love the ways tool course the Warriors. We played for
Speaker 2: other teams as well, but yeah, his Warriors through and through,
Speaker 2: Kevin Campi and good to have him on the show.
Speaker 2: One sixteen lines open on the Warriors all eight hundred
Speaker 2: and eighty ten eighty Let's kick this around five wins
Speaker 2: in the last six. Last week's statement went over the
Speaker 2: benchmark side in the comp for the last five or
Speaker 2: six years. Last night a very comfortable victory over the
Speaker 2: reigning champions, the Broncos. Incidentally, they'll want this whole thing
Speaker 2: to end. What are they six and fifteen?
Speaker 5: What a.
Speaker 2: One of the worst title defenses in recent memory. For
Speaker 2: the Warriors, though, who wants to play them right now? Nobody? Nobody.
Speaker 2: The aim must be and will be to finish in
Speaker 2: the top two. That gives you all important home advantage
Speaker 2: in week one of the final series. And if you
Speaker 2: win that first game, you get the following week off,
Speaker 2: and then you're one game away from the Grand Final
Speaker 2: and you host the game which can get you there.
Speaker 2: If you finish first or second, you get a huge
Speaker 2: leg up. So the table right now Roosters thirty eight,
Speaker 2: Panthers thirty six, Warriors thirty six. The Roosters on an
Speaker 2: absolute role, They've won their last eight games. They play
Speaker 2: the Tigers, the Dolphins, the Rabbitos, so two of their
Speaker 2: last three are against teams in the top six. But
Speaker 2: the Roosters, i think we can probably agree, are favorites
Speaker 2: for the minor Premiership. As we said here today, the
Speaker 2: Panthers have lost their last two but led to the
Speaker 2: other two teams in the top three, the Warriors and
Speaker 2: the Roosters, and they're running the Panthers is quite friendly, Storm, Bulldogs, Tigers.
Speaker 2: Those teams are eleventh, ninth and fourteenth and the Panthers
Speaker 2: are well aware of what is needed in September and
Speaker 2: then the Warriors Rabbit O's away, Knights at home, Sea
Speaker 2: Eagles at home. Those teams are sixth, seventh and tenth.
Speaker 2: But the Warriors are flying and are in a second
Speaker 2: place shootout with the Panthers. They have to match the Panthers'
Speaker 2: results and have slightly better winning margins to claim second spot.
Speaker 2: It is well and truly on for the Warriors to
Speaker 2: finish in the top two. Luke Metcalf gutting so innocuous
Speaker 2: as well pulling a hammy taking a conversion. As I
Speaker 2: said before, we're waiting for confirmation on how a baut
Speaker 2: it is. Hamstrings are always at the absolute best two
Speaker 2: or three weeks, so we're looking at a best case
Speaker 2: scenario of week one of the finals for Luke Metcalf.
Speaker 2: You just hope it's not worse than that because if
Speaker 2: it is, that conversion could be his last action ever
Speaker 2: for the club to Mighty. Martin still a couple of
Speaker 2: weeks away with his own hamstring strain, and we know
Speaker 2: Tanner Boyd's out for the season. Those three Metcalf, Martin
Speaker 2: and Boyd are the only three players who have started
Speaker 2: at seven for the Warriors in the last two years,
Speaker 2: so it's next man up, Chanelle. Harris Tavita slotted into
Speaker 2: half back last night, pretty decent. Moving him though, leaves
Speaker 2: a gap at six. And the only other player apart
Speaker 2: from Harris Tavita and briefly Luke Metcalf to have worn
Speaker 2: that jersey this season is Luke Hanson and just one game.
Speaker 2: So I think your man has probably Charles nikol Kluks
Speaker 2: done to move into six. And he reminded me he
Speaker 2: played there against Penrith a couple of years ago and
Speaker 2: and win it magic round. It's a good memory from
Speaker 2: Andy Tame two opicky slots back in the fullback I
Speaker 2: guess where he started fifteen times this season. He a
Speaker 2: bit of shuffling to do in the back line. But
Speaker 2: while that's a bit of a head scratcher for Andrew Webster,
Speaker 2: what he doesn't have is any worries about his forwards Fisher,
Speaker 2: Harris Egan, Barnett, Capewell, Laban Clark. What a pack that
Speaker 2: is they have started the last five games together have
Speaker 2: been the foundation on which these winds have been built.
Speaker 2: And on top of that, Jackson Ford, the standout player
Speaker 2: in the entire comp until until he got injured, is
Speaker 2: due back for the finals. Others like Tannis Doller, Smith,
Speaker 2: Eddie y're a me or two other Sam Healy, They've
Speaker 2: done everything required in the roles they've been asked to play.
Speaker 2: He least come off the interchange seventeen times in twenty
Speaker 2: one games this season. He gives you good solid minutes
Speaker 2: every time. Every one on this team is contributing. And
Speaker 2: we're in a three game sprint down the home straight
Speaker 2: towards the mine of premiership and then September hits and
Speaker 2: finals footy becomes the full focus. Can't wait. Oh eight
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty ten eighty twenty past one, Alex, good afternoon,
Speaker 2: Well Aleck, my apologies, Alec, No, No.
Speaker 8: You're all right.
Speaker 18: Brother Piney helps things, tells the gun.
Speaker 2: Really good mate, I'm I'm a bit. I saw a
Speaker 2: simmering here, try not to get too excited about these warriors.
Speaker 19: Oh it's hard.
Speaker 18: It's hard not to exciting times ahead for the boys.
Speaker 18: But another great performance last night, another great start to Piney.
Speaker 18: I mean, Kevin Campion said it. The Fords were unreal
Speaker 18: that that first ten or fifteen minutes. They sort of
Speaker 18: just got into their work straight away, and our completion,
Speaker 18: the sets we completed was on and then we just
Speaker 18: put the kicks down there, kept the Broncos down their
Speaker 18: end and literally sort of just waited for them to
Speaker 18: make a mistake, which they did, and then we capitalize,
Speaker 18: you know, Wade Egan put Laban over for that first try,
Speaker 18: and from then on, I think they just couldn't couldn't
Speaker 18: hang with us a Piney you know, yeah.
Speaker 2: Sorry, A like even when we went down to twelve,
Speaker 2: when nikol Kluster had the ten minutes on the bin
Speaker 2: for the yes and we don't know what whether they
Speaker 2: were any further repercussions on that with some heat he's
Speaker 2: on report hopefully not. Yeah, but do even even down
Speaker 2: to twelve, I mean, all of a sudden, I mean
Speaker 2: Resposh gets up throws that that that passed rather hopefully,
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden Carperreira has got any run
Speaker 2: to night.
Speaker 18: I was, I was so good seeing a Lotiana and
Speaker 18: for well, I don't even know if he was in
Speaker 18: full flight pint. It sort of almost looked like he
Speaker 18: was just cruising. But Jesus, Jesus, good to see that
Speaker 18: fuller fullow an open space. But yeah, I mean, you know,
Speaker 18: the boys faced that little bit of adversity as you
Speaker 18: see when Chans went off, and I mean we're we're
Speaker 18: still outscored them with the man down. So the boys
Speaker 18: were just on a you know, they showed all that
Speaker 18: all that heart and and all that efforts and obviously
Speaker 18: just just our forwards a piney, fish, Barnet cape roll,
Speaker 18: Aaron Clark just leading from the front. And then obviously
Speaker 18: we've got those young guys coming in off the bench
Speaker 18: and we don't really lose much when they come on either.
Speaker 10: You know.
Speaker 18: It's just it's just quite interesting to see when the
Speaker 18: boys get into their work that, you know, and we're
Speaker 18: completing at a high rate. Teams teams just aren't able
Speaker 18: to hang with us a piney they.
Speaker 2: Can't they can't end look at and this is the
Speaker 2: thing when we talk about the warriors now Alec, you
Speaker 2: end up talking about every single player. You mentioned every
Speaker 2: single player's name, because everybody is contributing. I know teams
Speaker 2: have stars, of course they do, and you and you
Speaker 2: sometimes gravitate towards them, but the entire forward pack as
Speaker 2: a collective and the guys who are coming off the interchange,
Speaker 2: I've just been utterly impressed. And you just know Andrew
Speaker 2: Webster is just delighted with the platform that those those
Speaker 2: big men, those middles are laying for the for the
Speaker 2: you know, for the quicker guys out wide.
Speaker 18: Oh definitely, definitely, mate, Yeah, I mean even you know,
Speaker 18: obviously Luke going down there was probably the saddest part
Speaker 18: of the night. But just to see h T Stephan,
Speaker 18: I mean, I thought he played well. To me, it
Speaker 18: was probably either him or Chance apart from Chance going
Speaker 18: off with their ten. They were probably my my man
Speaker 18: of the match really, and then obviously Chance sliding into
Speaker 18: that six as well. Geez, he just made some real
Speaker 18: good defensive reeds as well. Piney, I mean even c
Speaker 18: chd you put that big hit on that guy. I
Speaker 18: can't remember who that was in that first half, but
Speaker 18: he rocked them and you know, it's just it's just
Speaker 18: so impressive what the boys are doing. And then obviously
Speaker 18: our four peck as well. It's probably got to be
Speaker 18: the best four pack in the league. I mean, no
Speaker 18: no bias here or anything like that. But and then
Speaker 18: obviously the guys that are coming off the bench, we've
Speaker 18: got to have some of the best bench players as well.
Speaker 18: And with Jacko Ford coming back, obviously to me, he
Speaker 18: gets he gets a bench spot as soon as he
Speaker 18: gets back, So it's just going to be interesting to see.
Speaker 18: Unfortunately who misses out yeah on on on that bench spot.
Speaker 18: But you know, we've still got to do our job
Speaker 18: a piney and when these last three games, hopefully Dolphins
Speaker 18: or someone can can get up over over the roosters
Speaker 18: which will give us a chance to possibly hit that
Speaker 18: first hit that first But I mean, as long as
Speaker 18: we can come first or second, I think that'll give
Speaker 18: us a huge run into this final series.
Speaker 2: Good man, alec Ja, great summary, mate, and I love
Speaker 2: the optimism in your voice. I can feel it. Keep
Speaker 2: our number in your phone, mate, Let's talk over the
Speaker 2: next few weeks as the Warriors go hopefully anyway deep
Speaker 2: into the finals. Good to hear from you. Oh eight
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty ten eighty, it's one twenty five.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 2: A couple of people have pointed out the Nickel Kluksta
Speaker 2: may Well copper Band for that hip drop on Reese Walsh.
Speaker 2: He's on report. So I guess we wait and see.
Speaker 2: That hasn't been sent through yet. Is it normally Monday,
Speaker 2: Andy that they that they published that information that, yeah,
Speaker 2: Monday it is, thanks mate. Yeah, so I guess we
Speaker 2: wait and see. So, yeah, if it's not Charms, then
Speaker 2: we still have a gap there at six taine Toopak
Speaker 2: he's played there. Then again you need a fall back down.
Speaker 2: Andrew Webster is the coach for a reason. He'll be
Speaker 2: sitting on the plane on the way back working it
Speaker 2: all out. He'll be he'll be thinking, Okay, we've got
Speaker 2: char and Z plays there. If we haven't, then we'll
Speaker 2: do this lyle height.
Speaker 7: Mate.
Speaker 19: Look, every team says they have sell the belief and
Speaker 19: they back their coaches and their teammates and everything else.
Speaker 19: But I think the big difference is just Warrio's side.
Speaker 19: It's starting. You've got to self release one thing. But
Speaker 19: they really do have it, and they've got it because
Speaker 19: of the juniors coming through lecqu of the Pong and
Speaker 19: Wrecker Laban and Stourer Smith and we will come out
Speaker 19: and locally produce nurseries.
Speaker 11: But ofcause you've got the teams in the lower.
Speaker 19: Grades whereas for many years they didn't. They pull them
Speaker 19: out of Fox Memorial will get them from out a
Speaker 19: close and local competitions out of Australia. But the nurseryes
Speaker 19: there of the product that's coming out to the other
Speaker 19: ends has put for use and up to scratch. Look,
Speaker 19: I don't wish to piss on the parade, but I've
Speaker 19: watched the Broncos. I never liked the Broncos, but watched
Speaker 19: as many years. Well, hey, the Warriors played brilliantly, no
Speaker 19: doubt about it. So the Bronco system, like a side
Speaker 19: at the end of the season, can't come quick enough.
Speaker 19: There's obviously something rot and that club, God knows what
Speaker 19: it is. Me Robert's managed to put eighty minutes to
Speaker 19: give from the first time on b a night and
Speaker 19: they've got for Warriors next week, so it should be
Speaker 19: a great game.
Speaker 2: Good on your lile. Look, you can rain on the
Speaker 2: parade as much as you like, mate. I know you're
Speaker 2: not a Warriors fan, but you're a big league fan.
Speaker 2: Good to hear from you as always, mate. The Gold
Speaker 2: Coaster is a bit nicer than some parts of New
Speaker 2: Zealand today. Jason, my brother, Broncos supporter, has lived in
Speaker 2: Brisbane for forty years, was at the game last night,
Speaker 2: said the Warrior supporters were amazing. My brother also said
Speaker 2: he's so disappointed with the Broncos. He was hardly or
Speaker 2: has hardly been to a game for months. He reckons
Speaker 2: watching knitting programs on TV is more satisfying like having
Speaker 2: been at Magic Round and watching the Warriors fans march
Speaker 2: down Caxton Street for their game against the Broncos that day.
Speaker 2: I mean, it just gave me an again a greater
Speaker 2: appreciation for fans of this club. They are utterly magnificent.
Speaker 2: And I think I said it after Magic Round never
Speaker 2: again wore the Broncos allow themselves to play the Warriors
Speaker 2: at Magic Round because it becomes an away game. And
Speaker 2: last night was the same. And the only reason they
Speaker 2: were empty seats in the second half was because the
Speaker 2: Broncos fans had cleared off one twenty eight. We'll take
Speaker 2: a break, come back with more of your calls on
Speaker 2: the Warriors after this.
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Speaker 2: Thirty one Talking Warriors Ponty. Could they bring Jack Cleary
Speaker 2: up from the reserve grade? Yeah, of course they could. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Jet Clary could play. It's never played first grade and
Speaker 2: during the week come try well basically seemed like I
Speaker 2: don't want to stand anymore, Not that that will matter.
Speaker 2: Luke metcalf sim of the Dragons and he got back
Speaker 2: in the team. Yeah, they could bring Jet Clary up.
Speaker 2: That is obviously one option. There's one way they could go.
Speaker 2: Mark Hi.
Speaker 11: Yeah, if Cars doesn't play, they probably put Heally on
Speaker 11: the field, wouldn't they. I mean, I think to me
Speaker 11: it's just probably another half. He's such a good player.
Speaker 11: He seems to making them pick every time he comes on.
Speaker 2: Really, I think it'll be Look, I think it'll be
Speaker 2: I think it'd probably be Luke Hanson, But you no,
Speaker 2: I mean yeah, I mean Healy's been I think Healy's
Speaker 2: you're interchange man. But yeah, there's there's obviously a you know,
Speaker 2: a decision or two to be made in the selection
Speaker 2: meetings that are probably happening right now.
Speaker 11: Yeah, And I think that's the problem with the Warriors
Speaker 11: at the moment. I've just got too many forwards. We're
Speaker 11: having to push like players like lequ around into the centers,
Speaker 11: who's probably one of the best players last. He's ring
Speaker 11: box type situation where you have eleven.
Speaker 2: He is some player that HeLa Sema. He is some player.
Speaker 2: I was talking to somebody during the weekend. They and
Speaker 2: they made they made the point to me that I
Speaker 2: think they had a bit of a knowledge of the
Speaker 2: inside workings of the Warriors that they're they're working really
Speaker 2: hard with Leka Hellisima just to make sure that he
Speaker 2: keeps his feet nice and firmly grounded. Not that he
Speaker 2: has it in him not to you know, stay grounded,
Speaker 2: but he's become such a big star so quickly for
Speaker 2: a young guy. They just, you know, they're just wrapping
Speaker 2: a bit of support around him. But man, what a
Speaker 2: player he could be.
Speaker 11: Oh, I think we've just handled him beautifully. I mean,
Speaker 11: he sort of had that. He came on pretty strong
Speaker 11: at the beginning, and he sort of, yeah, he sort
Speaker 11: of disappeared for a little while, and then they brought
Speaker 11: him back in the center, which I don't think anyone
Speaker 11: could affected at the beginning of the season. I just
Speaker 11: want to mention Chance. I thought Chance was done sort
Speaker 11: of a beginning of the year, and he's just come
Speaker 11: back superbly and you know, has been one of the
Speaker 11: best players in the last two or three weeks. So
Speaker 11: I think he's Yeah, he's regained the form that you know,
Speaker 11: made him such a you know, probably one of the
Speaker 11: number one picks at fullback in the competition. And yeah,
Speaker 11: he's just he's just really playing so well. And like
Speaker 11: all of them really, I mean, there's just this. You
Speaker 11: couldn't pick one of the Warriors and go, Wow, they're
Speaker 11: not really playing that well, are they. I mean, you
Speaker 11: just you can't pick that.
Speaker 2: No, No, yeah, Mark, You're so right because and like
Speaker 2: I said to Alec before, when you start talking about
Speaker 2: the Warriors and you say that was a good game
Speaker 2: last night, he had a good game, he had a
Speaker 2: good game, you end up going through the whole seventeen
Speaker 2: you really do I.
Speaker 11: Think the way that I mean, I know they're playing
Speaker 11: the Broncos last night and they're a bit of a
Speaker 11: head scratcher really why they they still got such such
Speaker 11: amazing talent. But the way they defended last night, and
Speaker 11: the and the and the discipline was probably the thing
Speaker 11: that impressed me the most. They just didn't give away
Speaker 11: those stupid rock penalties a lot of teams do. They
Speaker 11: become such a disciplined team and the best They had
Speaker 11: the best completion rate in the competition to me, even
Speaker 11: though the third favorites, I mean, I think I think
Speaker 11: they deserve to be equal favorites at the moment, probably
Speaker 11: with the Roosters in the competition. And yeah, I just
Speaker 11: think they're a huge, huge chance to make the final.
Speaker 11: And you can imagine the final. How many Warriors, how
Speaker 11: many Warriors supporters are going to be honestly going to
Speaker 11: be over half the stadium.
Speaker 2: Seriously, it's it is such an exciting thing to think about. Mark.
Speaker 2: Can you imagine the Warriors in a Grand Final? Can
Speaker 2: you imagine the crowd there in Sydney? It would be unreal.
Speaker 11: I just think it's the best team I've ever seen
Speaker 11: the Warriors play. To put it simply, Yeah.
Speaker 2: That's it's a It's a simple sentence and I think
Speaker 2: it's an accurate one.
Speaker 8: Mark.
Speaker 2: I think a lot of Warriors fans who have been
Speaker 2: around for as long as you have and maybe even longer,
Speaker 2: would say this is I mean, I know we've made
Speaker 2: two Grand Finals and they were great teams with iconic players,
Speaker 2: but this team text through text through here party. I'm
Speaker 2: forty seven overweight and they've never played rugby league, but
Speaker 2: I could play seven behind that pack. That's a good point, man,
Speaker 2: talk about a talk about a platform, Paul, what do
Speaker 2: you reckon they're going to do? Mate? They'll have no
Speaker 2: they'll have no metcalf next week they what do you
Speaker 2: think they'll do around? Sort of shuffling the you know,
Speaker 2: the the positions around.
Speaker 20: Quit Funny, it depends how far away I think. I
Speaker 20: think he said tomighty's a couple of weeks aways, so
Speaker 20: I think he was sick with the status quo from
Speaker 20: last night.
Speaker 8: Maybe with.
Speaker 20: With Chanel Shane can slot of the seven, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 20: no doubt. And then I think chance he's played at
Speaker 20: sixty before, it's really only a matter of just getting
Speaker 20: through the next couple of games. So but we'll see.
Speaker 20: You know, I was really interested to see finally after
Speaker 20: last week's game. You know, it was such a huge
Speaker 20: occasion emotionally and physically for against the Panthers and then
Speaker 20: I'd be interested. I was interested to see how they'd
Speaker 20: back up going to Australia and playing the Broncos, where
Speaker 20: where they would button off a little bit, but intensity.
Speaker 6: That it was again was the last night.
Speaker 20: You know, they came out of the blocks firing and
Speaker 20: that was a real huge sign for me. Where this
Speaker 20: team is that, mate, And you know, there's there's no
Speaker 20: team in the NRAL apart from maybe the Roosters really
Speaker 20: that that that comfortable with the Warriors at the moment.
Speaker 20: They're so clinical. They're a tight group. The connection everything,
Speaker 20: everything they do, they all individually know their role and
Speaker 20: it's just so good to see. It's poetry in motion
Speaker 20: and some of those frizes last night was just fantastic, mate.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, the Warriors have been called a lot
Speaker 2: of things over the years, but if you'd had if
Speaker 2: you in previous seasons had called them clinical, people would
Speaker 2: have laughed at you. You know, the word fits the
Speaker 2: twenty twenty six version.
Speaker 20: Yeah, absolutely absolutely. And you hear the players, you know,
Speaker 20: and it's just such a such a joy to watch,
Speaker 20: you know, and you know we can feel confident because
Speaker 20: you know, we were sitting on the table and what
Speaker 20: we've seen so far, they'll play the rabbit Os next week,
Speaker 20: you know, and I just have faith that they'll they'll
Speaker 20: just get the job done. The only way that the
Speaker 20: Warriors will lose from from now on, well they'll beat themselves.
Speaker 20: You know, they won't be up for the game or whatever.
Speaker 20: But we've got depths. They're playing so well. It's such
Speaker 20: a good time to be a Warriors fan. And you know,
Speaker 20: I said a while ago, you know, I'm hoping it's
Speaker 20: a Rooster's Warriors Grand Final, a repeat of O two,
Speaker 20: and it would be fantastic.
Speaker 7: Man.
Speaker 20: I'll certainly be there anyway we could.
Speaker 2: We could well be hitting that way for honestly, even
Speaker 2: talk now, and I know I can't really make these
Speaker 2: I need to discuss these things with other people in
Speaker 2: my life. But don't feel the same wayment. I feel
Speaker 2: like if they met the Grand Final, I've just got
Speaker 2: to be there, just got to find a way to
Speaker 2: be over there.
Speaker 20: Yeah, And I think you'll find a lot of other
Speaker 20: fans from other clubs will be behind the Warriors if
Speaker 20: they are playing the Roasters, and there'll be sixty thousand
Speaker 20: out of eighty I reckon Warriors fans there. They'll be
Speaker 20: playing loads from New Zealand going over and you remember
Speaker 20: what it was like in two and eleven. You know
Speaker 20: this will go to another level, mate, because of the
Speaker 20: fandom that they've you know, they've brought it from around
Speaker 20: the country. Mate, It's going to go to another level,
Speaker 20: and there'll be celebrations of anything unseen in this country
Speaker 20: to get the America's couple of rugby World Cup, mate,
Speaker 20: the Warriors. When the world of the Premiership, the celebrations
Speaker 20: and parades will just be out of this world, mate,
Speaker 20: they will.
Speaker 2: The parade will take about a week to get to
Speaker 2: hit down the main drag in Auckland and then they'll
Speaker 2: probably want to take it around the country. Paul, good
Speaker 2: to hear from you, mate. It's always always good chatting
Speaker 2: rugby leg with you. Textory. Don't forget two unsung heroes
Speaker 2: who have made a massive contribution to get us to
Speaker 2: this point. Andrew McFadden, the guy who was identifying and
Speaker 2: bringing through and enabling the next man up approach. Also
Speaker 2: owner Mark Robinson, who's investing in the pathways, including the
Speaker 2: women for example. Also keep an eye on jay La
Speaker 2: Nane another superstar in the making. Year young five. I
Speaker 2: think we shouldn't just be excited about this season, but
Speaker 2: also the next five. How good up the wors? Indeed,
Speaker 2: how must what you can say up the wires?
Speaker 5: Hi?
Speaker 2: Shane? Thanks Shane, you're having a conversation elsewhere. I'll go
Speaker 2: to Mike instead.
Speaker 10: Hello, Mike, Hello there.
Speaker 17: I've been a rugby league the animal life, and my
Speaker 17: father played for Elleslie and Frankton Railways. And I played
Speaker 17: fifty one fifty two years ago for Togo's Province. And
Speaker 17: I picked up a blue and rugby league at Taga
Speaker 17: University and we're there the first day of the Warriors
Speaker 17: played thirty one years ago in March nineteen ninety five.
Speaker 17: And I've got an interesting question. Yes, I've got a
Speaker 17: number plate w A R R one A. What do
Speaker 17: you think it'd be worth?
Speaker 2: Oh, Mike, it could be worth. Look I tell you what.
Speaker 2: Don't sell it yet, hold on to it until until
Speaker 2: late September and then and then chuck it on the market.
Speaker 2: Good to hear from him. Make God, And Move've got
Speaker 2: to get to James mcconey. But Simon says, Piney, what's
Speaker 2: your boss's email? We'll start bombarding him on your behalf, Simon.
Speaker 2: I'm happy to give it to you or text it
Speaker 2: to you, text it to you.
Speaker 13: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Look'll be great to be at the Grand Fin'll be
Speaker 2: even better to be there on a work junket, wouldn't it?
Speaker 2: Nineteen away from two? We'll take a break, come back.
Speaker 2: James mcconey is after this.
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Speaker 2: One forty four. Time for James mcny Has your week
Speaker 2: been mate?
Speaker 21: It's been pretty good, poneer. I'm still in France. I'm
Speaker 21: in Paris now. I'm in the capitol, just down the
Speaker 21: road from the Lark the Triomph, and it's been thirty
Speaker 21: eight degrees on some of these days.
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, Well, I can't share similar news from large
Speaker 2: parts of the country back here. You'll be surprised to learn.
Speaker 2: But let's talk some sport. The Warriors last night beating
Speaker 2: the Broncos very convincingly at what looked like a home
Speaker 2: game at sun Corps Stadium, when do we actually start
Speaker 2: to think that these guys may actually do it In
Speaker 2: twenty twenty six.
Speaker 21: Pioneer, surely you would have started your show with it's
Speaker 21: our year, because this is all the indications that they're
Speaker 21: heading in that direction. There's a few things that I
Speaker 21: think are really act in the Warrior's favor. One is
Speaker 21: that the movement that is up the wires or whatever
Speaker 21: you want to call it, has spread across the Tasman
Speaker 21: to the point where, like you say, it's a home
Speaker 21: game every single time, there is no problem playing any
Speaker 21: away game over there in terms of support. And then
Speaker 21: when you look at the Warriors historically, our our bogey teams,
Speaker 21: our kryptonite, the Melbourne Storm. You know the Broncos. They're
Speaker 21: not going to be in the in the in the
Speaker 21: Last Dance, are they? So I think I know that
Speaker 21: I know the Panthers are strong. I know the Roosters
Speaker 21: have been doing incredible stuff. But you have to like
Speaker 21: the way that the Warriors are playing as an ensemble
Speaker 21: and compared to the others, they're just as strong.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally agree. I think as a as a collective,
Speaker 2: as you say, as an ensemble, great word is that
Speaker 2: a French word as ensemble. Is that a French word?
Speaker 2: But yeah, love it, love it, love it. I don't
Speaker 2: know what next man up in French is, but Luke
Speaker 2: metcal pulling a hammy last night as he went to
Speaker 2: take that conversion. Shanella Harris ta Vita, I guess would
Speaker 2: be the next man up to wear seven from the
Speaker 2: from the start of the next few games.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 21: Look, I mean I think there will be a few options.
Speaker 21: I think Tantupiki can play seven as well. There's a
Speaker 21: lot there are. There are players who can fill in
Speaker 21: different areas. And look, I think one thing that you notice,
Speaker 21: especially when it comes to planning and if you have
Speaker 21: a decent chat which I'm sure you do all the time.
Speaker 21: Piony for example, of the Hurricanes, and if you talk
Speaker 21: to them two years ago, they'd probably say, hey, we're
Speaker 21: two years away from where we really want to be
Speaker 21: with some of these young players coming through, et cetera,
Speaker 21: et cetera, Right, And you feel that way with the Warriors.
Speaker 21: You feel that Jacob laban Ali Lao O'tawa. When I
Speaker 21: met those guys a couple of years ago, they were young.
Speaker 21: You know, they look like in Jacob's case, you look
Speaker 21: like a school kid, you know, and now there is
Speaker 21: agerous as anyone in the league in their position. So
Speaker 21: that's where I sort of feel like, planning wise, timing wise,
Speaker 21: things are good for the Wires. Yes, there's a bit
Speaker 21: of a problem and at playmaker, but at half back,
Speaker 21: but that's I don't think it's too something they can't overcome.
Speaker 2: No, I agree, and I think in other key positions,
Speaker 2: in particular the forward pack, they just look so good.
Speaker 2: So it's an exciting time to be to be a
Speaker 2: Warriors fan over the next one three games of the
Speaker 2: regular season then into September the business end as they
Speaker 2: call it.
Speaker 21: Yeah, and look, even someone like Aaron Clark, who you know,
Speaker 21: a couple of years ago he was playing for the
Speaker 21: Maddy Dawa Marlins, not quite sure whether he's going to
Speaker 21: go pro ever again. And you can tell the way
Speaker 21: that the Aussie commentated, so very hard to please when
Speaker 21: it comes to the Warriors, especially block a roach. Don't
Speaker 21: get me started, but they do love them some, Aaron Clark, and.
Speaker 10: So do I, so do I, so do I.
Speaker 2: Let's go to the All Blacks. They've completed the pre
Speaker 2: test segment of the Greatest Rivalry tour three from three.
Speaker 2: How are you feeling about the All Blacks against the
Speaker 2: spring Box over the next well four or five weeks
Speaker 2: the test match segment of this tour.
Speaker 21: I'm feeling about fifty to fifty really because I just
Speaker 21: wonder whether you know that there's just a little bit
Speaker 21: of the unknown. I mean, Arlie Savier coming back into
Speaker 21: the team now, he's obviously going to play, but you
Speaker 21: know he hasn't played for the past few weeks. Then
Speaker 21: you've got problems with Cam roy Guard's calf. Dave Rennie
Speaker 21: did sound like fairly positive about Cam's calf, but then
Speaker 21: McKenzie's ankle not looking so great, and you know, Caleb
Speaker 21: Clark's gone home. There's a few I'm not saying that
Speaker 21: that there's major problems, but it's it's it does make
Speaker 21: me feel like it is fifty to fifty. So I
Speaker 21: think as a nation, we all would feel a lot
Speaker 21: happier if Cam roy Guard was starting that Test match anyway.
Speaker 2: Oh no, totally. I think that's certainly a non negotiable
Speaker 2: And yeah, you're right. Dave Aene seemed fairly confident about
Speaker 2: he and Will Jordan maybe lessar about Damien mackenzie. But
Speaker 2: still still felt confident that he would begin in the
Speaker 2: mix to play. Hey, Anton Segna had a really good
Speaker 2: game today. In fact, the man of the match officially
Speaker 2: man of the match. I mean it's like we had
Speaker 2: Fabian Holland to talk about last year and his story
Speaker 2: of coming from the Netherlands into the All Blacks. Now
Speaker 2: Anton Segna from Germany into the All Blacks. What a story.
Speaker 21: Well, we're our two best players today, Dutch and Germany.
Speaker 2: I mean they probably were.
Speaker 10: I think they were.
Speaker 21: Like I think that flip pass from Holland and even
Speaker 21: you know when he got first to the ball is
Speaker 21: to hack the ball ahead perfectly. Johann Kroust would have
Speaker 21: been happy with that. I mean, there's there's they are exceptional.
Speaker 21: But I think Fabian Holland is showing signs when you
Speaker 21: think that he was the breakout.
Speaker 5: Star last year.
Speaker 21: I think you recall me wiring on about thatcher he
Speaker 21: took fifteen of the All Blacks sixteen lineouts. I mean,
Speaker 21: this is those are crazy stats. You know, our best
Speaker 21: player could well be European, you know, sort of could
Speaker 21: be Dutch. You know, we're just got to accept it.
Speaker 21: And he's showing those signs really, and I mean there's
Speaker 21: others as well. Who I mean, I'm sure you probably
Speaker 21: had your notebook out during the game, pony, But I
Speaker 21: did enjoy the work of the wingers. I think how
Speaker 21: busy both Carter and morebr is just the way that
Speaker 21: your blacks need to be. They just do so much work.
Speaker 21: And then Peter Larkeye as well. You can just see
Speaker 21: that he's a superstar in the making, isn't he.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of guys sticking their hands up and saying,
Speaker 2: have a look at me, And so the Test election
Speaker 2: will be very interesting. Hey, just before you go, it's
Speaker 2: been fun watching Bangladesh play Australia and cricket and Darwin
Speaker 2: and give them a bit of a tickle up.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 21: Well, the Darwin Award is usually awarded to somebody who's
Speaker 21: completely stupid and comes a cropper with something, you know.
Speaker 21: And so I look at this and it's quite ironic
Speaker 21: that they've gone decided to take them to this outpost.
Speaker 21: Bangladesh not worthy of the MCG or the SCG. I mean, no,
Speaker 21: it's the wrong time of the year, but you know,
Speaker 21: this is the whole thing. They're not playing a boxing
Speaker 21: day Test with Bangladesh.
Speaker 7: Are they?
Speaker 21: So I'm actually really happy that the Bangs are hopefully,
Speaker 21: hopefully going to get their first ever win in Australia.
Speaker 21: And it is massive because I looked at the Australian
Speaker 21: team it looks pretty stacked to me. It is so
Speaker 21: hard to get a win over there. The last time
Speaker 21: New Zealand did it we all know, twenty eleven, the
Speaker 21: Hobart Test, the Dougie Bracewall Test. Ross Taylor was captain.
Speaker 21: It is so hard to get a win in Australia.
Speaker 2: This is the whole thing.
Speaker 21: Would you like some Bangladesh stats to finish off the
Speaker 21: segment party?
Speaker 10: Of course?
Speaker 21: Of course a country of one hundred and seventy eight
Speaker 21: million people in an area the size of the South Island,
Speaker 21: and of course most of that area is the Ganges Delta,
Speaker 21: which is extremely prone to flooding. That's three hundred and
Speaker 21: fifty five kilometers wide, the Ganges Delta.
Speaker 8: So you know.
Speaker 21: This is not an easy place to live. And I
Speaker 21: think that Bangladesh has been waiting. This is the sport
Speaker 21: they care about and we should all rejoice. And it's
Speaker 21: not about well, it is partly about being Australian let's
Speaker 21: be honest. It's definitely about that.
Speaker 2: Magnifique mersi monsieur mccarnee. I don't know why I'm putting
Speaker 2: a free checks ind on this, but it's been great
Speaker 2: attentions always.
Speaker 21: Mersi bientto porsi.
Speaker 7: What next time?
Speaker 21: I'll be back in la nouvels alone.
Speaker 2: I can't wait, hold on, we can't wait either. Travel safe, mate,
Speaker 2: travel safe. James mccony big part of our sundays here
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Speaker 2: Four to two. Pinty. The Warriors are building well. As
Speaker 2: a keyw I'm half on the bandwagon, but my Roosters
Speaker 2: are still in it and building two. Looking forward to
Speaker 2: Roosters be Warriors with nervous trepidation. Seriously though it could
Speaker 2: be a repeat of the two Roosters Warriors Grand Final.
Speaker 2: Maybe it'll be third time lucky for the Warriors and
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be too upset. Thanks for the text. Another
Speaker 2: one here from Macus is Piney. I'll get to give
Speaker 2: a little page going to get you to the NRL
Speaker 2: Grand Final and find a pub for you to broadcast from.
Speaker 2: Good stuff maca very on brand for me when I
Speaker 2: travel around here. Find a pub to broadcast from. We're
Speaker 2: going to piv it back to rugby after two Hurricanes
Speaker 2: co owner Malcolm Gillies is with.
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Speaker 14: Got a store a look.
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Speaker 2: Hello there, this is Weekend Sport on News TALKSB for
Speaker 2: another hour or so and then Tim Beverage in the
Speaker 2: chair the Sunday edition of the Weekend Collective. Good to
Speaker 2: have you along. We're going to celebrate one of the
Speaker 2: great Paralympic achievements in our history this hour. Thirty years ago,
Speaker 2: swimmer Dwayne Kale won six medals, four of them gold,
Speaker 2: at the Atlanta Paralympics. He's going to join us for
Speaker 2: a reminis Malcolm Gillies, shortly co owner and chair of
Speaker 2: the Hurricanes. We'ent from Steve Lancaster yesterday regarding the sustainability
Speaker 2: of the Super Rugby competition. This is the wake of
Speaker 2: a report during the week that was well, I was
Speaker 2: going to say published, it was actually leaked during the week.
Speaker 2: It's a Deloitte report commissioned by the super rugby sides
Speaker 2: here about the state of their finances and what the
Speaker 2: future could and should look like. Malcolm gillies on that
Speaker 2: your thoughts are welcome to just going to mop up
Speaker 2: a couple of texts. Well, I've got the child's pinty
Speaker 2: habit of out out for Auckland FC heading to Saudi
Speaker 2: Arabia this week to playing the World Club Champions Tournament.
Speaker 2: Thanks Mike Yip, go well Auckland FC. Fini the Warrior's
Speaker 2: side says this one. Let me bring it up from James.
Speaker 2: This Warrior's side is playing like the Crusaders, calm, clinical
Speaker 2: and ruthlessly efficient. I'm loving the league. Bring on the
Speaker 2: finals up the worst Chahoo, thanks James, and Andy asks
Speaker 2: not my ending, but and Andy on text unless he's
Speaker 2: texted rather than just spoken to me. Finey. If the
Speaker 2: Warriors win, will they take the Helberg off Foxy. Well,
Speaker 2: it'll be a nice problem for the judges to have,
Speaker 2: wouldn't it. I kind of get the feeling that a
Speaker 2: major golf win Mike Trump and then our Relwin. I
Speaker 2: think Warriors would certainly be in the running for Team
Speaker 2: of the Year, wouldn't they imagine if both of those
Speaker 2: things are on the table for Hellberg judging the Warriors,
Speaker 2: making us all believe. Eight minutes past two, as we
Speaker 2: always do on weekend sported around about this time, let's
Speaker 2: bring you up to date with some of the stuff
Speaker 2: that's been happening in and around your consciousness in case
Speaker 2: your mister. Bangladesh continue to have control in their cricket
Speaker 2: Test against Australia and Darwin Mason joind that turning into him,
Speaker 2: Oh does he know? He doesn't on this occasion. They're
Speaker 2: so great through the numbers can often tell a lie.
Speaker 2: On this occasion, Steve Smith willing to turn to the
Speaker 2: left side, chips it back and the belief it's real here.
Speaker 2: So that was Steve Smith out earlier. Australia two twenty
Speaker 2: four for seven. Now in their second innings they trail
Speaker 2: by four runs, but they have just three second innings
Speaker 2: wickets in hand and this is only Dave four could
Speaker 2: be a famous day for Bangladesh in the NRL. The
Speaker 2: Sharks are tumbling out of the top four finding get
Speaker 2: away from.
Speaker 12: One tackle, look to offline to tape comes all the way.
Speaker 2: Talk about a captain's knock. He was held for a
Speaker 2: long long way, but just kept.
Speaker 22: Going forward and next minute he gets his.
Speaker 2: First try of the season. Back to back losses for
Speaker 2: the Sharks, the Raiders winning twenty four to twenty. The
Speaker 2: Eels meantime stunned the Cowboys. Moses splits the Pasts.
Speaker 8: It may as well wait the sea.
Speaker 16: Paravata's head clap by two with five to.
Speaker 2: Go and one at thirty two thirty, making a top
Speaker 2: eight spot far from a sure thing for the North
Speaker 2: Queenslanders to the NPC. A thriller with the ran fully
Speaker 2: shield on the sideline in christ here. But it's a
Speaker 2: two extra time, Oh coy now Roberts a tumaata cannot
Speaker 2: cannary head it hand'll do it. Cannebik to get rid
Speaker 2: of it. And the red belly showed stays.
Speaker 3: At Custer Day three pints to twenty eight, tin.
Speaker 2: Everywhere, Yeah, the Red and Blacks holding off a storming
Speaker 2: finish from the Steamers to keep the logwood. The Magpies
Speaker 2: meantime broke their Eden pak.
Speaker 22: Duck clouds Sullivan signe Racing dumps it down. How big
Speaker 22: could that be? As the lead now extended to eight.
Speaker 2: The forty four to thirty one win Hawkspace, first win
Speaker 2: an eating Parks since nineteen sixty nine and late heartbreak
Speaker 2: from unaware two inside the five.
Speaker 3: Now they come, why Pillergrenie.
Speaker 2: Till the money?
Speaker 22: It doesn't like to take off McDonald mats so let
Speaker 22: the sensation in a finish for MX.
Speaker 21: File and water pass, water.
Speaker 15: Play, water finish, Oh Tiger devastation for the home.
Speaker 2: Team and it's yeah Otago storming back late to win
Speaker 2: at twenty nine twenty seven, and finally there's a new
Speaker 2: dance champion of New Zealand, the Light seen he's known.
Speaker 22: At Bullseyite for the win again.
Speaker 2: Any since Wow Sonny Clayton years a deal with Twice
Speaker 2: for the New.
Speaker 22: Zealand Darts Master's Tiny He turns the tables.
Speaker 15: Yes, he took the Senate group there with a number.
Speaker 2: Of match dot flown, but he finally gets there.
Speaker 1: Johnny Clayton, from brilliant victories to battling selections, It's all
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Speaker 2: Twelve minutes past two. The financial vulnerability of New Zealand's
Speaker 2: five Super Rugby clubs has been laid bare and a
Speaker 2: wide ranging Deloitte report it's called Building the Competition the
Speaker 2: Game Needs, has been prepared injunction with the chief executives
Speaker 2: and executives of each of the New Zealand clubs. The
Speaker 2: report produced to explore how they could reset the competition
Speaker 2: through negotiations with New Zealand Rugby, and it noted, among
Speaker 2: other things, that between twenty nineteen and twenty twenty five,
Speaker 2: each New Zealand franchise reported at least one annual net loss.
Speaker 2: There have only been two instances in which a New
Speaker 2: Zealand club would have posted a profit without a cash
Speaker 2: injection from New Zealand Rugby. All five clubs were cumulatively
Speaker 2: unprofitable across the last six years and if things don't change,
Speaker 2: they could collectively be losing twenty million dollars a year
Speaker 2: within five years. Let's bring in the Hurricanes chair and
Speaker 2: co owner Malcolm Gillies. Malcolm, thanks for your time this afternoon.
Speaker 2: You've been pretty clear about the state of Super rugby,
Speaker 2: saying it won't survive without change. Having now seen this
Speaker 2: Deloitte report, how serious do you think the situation is?
Speaker 7: Well, I think it's exciting, I mean effective. What this
Speaker 7: report is put out there is Look, it's time to change.
Speaker 7: I mean the state of our game at the moment
Speaker 7: on the field is it's never been better. I mean
Speaker 7: after watching the hurricanes and type of rugby, their plane
Speaker 7: and the increased crowd attendances. So that part's good. I
Speaker 7: think what's really exciting now is that all the parties,
Speaker 7: all the stakeholders, you know, after seeing that report. That
Speaker 7: report was about basically producing a compelling argument that changes
Speaker 7: is necessary. And I think the good thing is now
Speaker 7: that everyone's accepted that and it's about looking about the
Speaker 7: way forward. We're just you know, it's just time to
Speaker 7: change the model, get more private investment in there.
Speaker 2: Have we just outgrown the current super rugby model?
Speaker 6: Malcolm, I think, yeah, the.
Speaker 7: Business model needed changing and that happens in a lot
Speaker 7: of businesses, and it's you know, it can also it
Speaker 7: can be very positive because what it does now is
Speaker 7: gives us the opportunities to bring everyone together, have a
Speaker 7: look at what we've got and what we can make
Speaker 7: out of it. And you know, there's lots and lots
Speaker 7: of oversy comparisons when you look at NL, when you
Speaker 7: look at a lot of the other sports. There's some
Speaker 7: really good models that we can look at, and hopefully
Speaker 7: it's time now that we can jointly come together and
Speaker 7: create something that is investible so that private investment wants
Speaker 7: to get involved and take it forward, because that's what
Speaker 7: it needs. It needs the ability for people to invest
Speaker 7: in it. You should be it shouldn't just be the
Speaker 7: rugby union's problem. You know, it should be something that
Speaker 7: we can there's a franchise we can encourage investment in.
Speaker 2: How difficult is it to attract private investment under the
Speaker 2: current model?
Speaker 7: Well, look, it's very very difficult. It's really not investable,
Speaker 7: let's be honest. And that's why the model needs to
Speaker 7: be changed so that it allows more investment.
Speaker 2: What does change look like? What would you like to see?
Speaker 7: I said, you know, there's a lot of models out there.
Speaker 7: I think it's too early for me to necessarily put
Speaker 7: on the on the table what I exactly want. I
Speaker 7: think this has got to be something that everyone, all
Speaker 7: the stakeholders agree on. But there are some very, very
Speaker 7: good models out there aren't there? Yeah, And and I
Speaker 7: don't think you have to be. It's not rocket science.
Speaker 7: It's about what works best for you know, Super rugby
Speaker 7: and Super Rugby is very very important to our ecosystem.
Speaker 7: You know, that's that's if Super rugby's working properly. You
Speaker 7: know the main role is to produce quality all blacks
Speaker 7: and quality black firms, isn't it.
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, And and but be underpinned in a in
Speaker 2: a commercially viable and profitable way. So are we are
Speaker 2: we talking privatization here, Malcolm? Is that what we're talking about?
Speaker 10: Yeah?
Speaker 7: I think we are. I think what we're looking at
Speaker 7: is the ability for private people to get involved, to
Speaker 7: take the burden off New Zealand Rugby shouldn't just be
Speaker 7: their problem. And I think once that's you know, once
Speaker 7: we've done that, and New Zealand Rugby perhaps steps back
Speaker 7: a little bit and lets the Super Rugbys take responsibility.
Speaker 7: I mean, the Super teams aren't saying to you know,
Speaker 7: they're not going with their handout to New Zealand Rugby
Speaker 7: and say hey, give us somebody to fix this. They're saying, hey,
Speaker 7: we know that we have an issue here, and we
Speaker 7: know as a group that we have the ability to
Speaker 7: change it, and we want to change it, and we
Speaker 7: want to bring everyone along on the journey.
Speaker 2: So the change from New Zealand Rugby's point of view,
Speaker 2: I guess would mean that they would need to relinquish
Speaker 2: a little bit of control, wouldn't they. Is that what
Speaker 2: we're talking about here, and enable the clubs, either by
Speaker 2: themselves or collectively to explore commercial opportunities things like that.
Speaker 2: Is that is that kind of the guts of it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Look, I think that's part of it. I think
Speaker 7: what it is is part of this whole process is
Speaker 7: sitting down and working out the foundation of the wagon.
Speaker 7: You know, what does what does New Zealand Rugby let
Speaker 7: go and what do they get in return and what
Speaker 7: do the stakeholders? So there's a lot of work to
Speaker 7: be done. But what I can say is everyone is
Speaker 7: very positive about working through this for the betterment of
Speaker 7: all rugby, not just Super Rugby Club rugby, the whole
Speaker 7: rugby ecosystem.
Speaker 2: So optimism, yeah, I mean that's been a word on
Speaker 2: the field for the All Blacks. You're optimistic that the
Speaker 2: change will come if if everybody's willing to sit around
Speaker 2: and chart the way forward totally.
Speaker 7: I mean, what I'm optimistic about is that I feel
Speaker 7: New Zealand Rugby has shown some great leadership in the
Speaker 7: last couple of years. They've made some big decisions. I
Speaker 7: don't think they're scared to make decisions, and I think
Speaker 7: they're up for it. And I think all of us
Speaker 7: have rugby, you know, we're all keen to see whatever
Speaker 7: we do is for the good of rugby, not just
Speaker 7: Super Rugby, but the whole of rugby.
Speaker 2: So what are the next steps here, Malcolm? Are there
Speaker 2: meeting schedule? What happens from here?
Speaker 7: Look, that report obviously was leaked in out by someone
Speaker 7: for I don't know. I can't imagine it was for
Speaker 7: positive reasons, but I personally I can't see any negative
Speaker 7: set have come out of it anyway. But yes, there
Speaker 7: are all stakeholders. Now there's a plan to move forward
Speaker 7: and you know, work on where we go next. So
Speaker 7: there is a plan in place and there are schedule meetings.
Speaker 2: Fantastic. Well, look forward to staying in touch to keep
Speaker 2: up todate with progress. Malcolm. Thanks for joining us today.
Speaker 7: Well, thank you for the opportunity and go to the Hurricanes.
Speaker 2: We know the Hurricanes first Next, Malcolm Hurricanes chair and
Speaker 2: Cone and Malcolm Gillies with us on Weekend Sport. Can
Speaker 2: you hear your thoughts on the evolution of super rugby?
Speaker 2: We chated a bit about this yesterday, we didn't really
Speaker 2: give everybody on the air and didn't really break it
Speaker 2: down in the detail. Perhaps we could have so a
Speaker 2: chance to do that now. Our eight hundred and eighty
Speaker 2: ten eighty privatization the buzzword for a lot of sports
Speaker 2: right now. Netbor New Zealand has a proposal in front
Speaker 2: of it for next year's domestic competition. We know that
Speaker 2: NZ twenty has been given the green light for our
Speaker 2: domestic T twenty competition from the summer after next, and
Speaker 2: now rugby looks like it'll need to explore the possibility
Speaker 2: of it anyway to ensure a sustainable super rugby comp
Speaker 2: moving forward. Now, the word privatization and the concept of
Speaker 2: private equity or private investment into sport seems to carry
Speaker 2: with it in some quarters anyway, some negative connotations. There's
Speaker 2: a feeling that someone who pumps money into a sporting
Speaker 2: team or a competition will care far more about a
Speaker 2: financial return than the sport they're investing in. But Super
Speaker 2: Rugby needs more investment to grow and to thrive. And
Speaker 2: while New Zealand Rugby is seem happy at the moment
Speaker 2: to prop up balance sheets in order to retain control
Speaker 2: of the competition and as players, that isn't really a
Speaker 2: sound business modelism. There's a school of thought that New
Speaker 2: Zealand Rugby giving up control of the players to the
Speaker 2: franchises will somehow be de trumental to the all blacks people.
Speaker 2: I think use a football example as a comparison, where
Speaker 2: the top clubs in the world are often reluctant to
Speaker 2: release their players for international games. But this is an
Speaker 2: entirely different scenario. Every rugby player in New Zealand aspires
Speaker 2: to being all black. There's no way team owners and
Speaker 2: shareholders will do anything that prevents that from happening. And
Speaker 2: when Steve Lancaster, New Zealand Rugby CEO, was on the
Speaker 2: show yesterday, he said Super Rugby exists for two reasons.
Speaker 2: Two reasons to create a strong all blacks team and
Speaker 2: to be exciting for people to watch, which leads to
Speaker 2: it being commercially attractive. Now those things can both exist
Speaker 2: under a model that has greater private investment, creating a
Speaker 2: strong All Blacks team and being good to watch. Greater
Speaker 2: private investment won't hurt either of those things. In fact,
Speaker 2: it'll enhance them. One of the recommendations of the Deloitte
Speaker 2: report was more than doubling the salary cap, and that'll
Speaker 2: keep and attract the best players to the competition. The
Speaker 2: game of rugby at professional level here needs more private investment,
Speaker 2: and at the moment it's not an attractive investment proposition.
Speaker 2: Why would you invest in a money losing venture. But
Speaker 2: if super Rugby can be reimagined and team ownership becomes
Speaker 2: a more appealing commercial proposition, then the two aims of
Speaker 2: the competition will continue to be served. A strong All
Speaker 2: Black site and a compelling, watchable Super Rugby competition. Oh
Speaker 2: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty, your thoughts are welcome, Mars.
Speaker 2: Hello mate, Ye.
Speaker 13: Mate, you know I listened to that previous broken You
Speaker 13: know a shareholder in Wellington and I disagree with them totally,
Speaker 13: and the reason being I've spent at a time in England.
Speaker 13: I'll followed UMT English rugby. It's all private over there.
Speaker 13: When the money runs out, they just wind the clubs
Speaker 13: down or they go broke in England has a whole
Speaker 13: lot of issues under that regime and getting players available
Speaker 13: for England, so it's not a great thing. What makes
Speaker 13: us different in New Zealand is the all It's very,
Speaker 13: very strong, and that's everyone's dream. I've got a boy
Speaker 13: in the Sacred Heart surs Esteem. His dream is now
Speaker 13: to be in All Black right, and that's his dream.
Speaker 13: If Super Rugby you can make so much money there,
Speaker 13: the dream changes. And then it comes about the money
Speaker 13: because they want to double the salary caps, they want
Speaker 13: to do all that, they want to pay them more.
Speaker 13: So I think by privatizing New Zealand rugby that's not
Speaker 13: the way forward. Those clubs need to have a look
Speaker 13: at it. But I mean I've had a look at
Speaker 13: all their websites and how many staff they employed, all
Speaker 13: the nonsense. The rugby is the simple game. You want
Speaker 13: to make money, shave out your head office. And the
Speaker 13: same issue it's happening in New Zealand with harness racing
Speaker 13: and the gallops. They want to sell all the stuff off.
Speaker 13: You know, we're going to do this and we're going
Speaker 13: to tentralize everything. We're going to make it great. You're
Speaker 13: not going to make it great, they're selling off ed.
Speaker 13: It's to pay the wages, the head offers, and we're
Speaker 13: hitting down that slippery slope and we're comportizing everything. We've got,
Speaker 13: head at communications, you've got public relations, you name that
Speaker 13: I've got. These people are on huge money and do
Speaker 13: you need that they need to sectarize parts of the whole,
Speaker 13: dear organizations, And rugby is a simple game, bring players through,
Speaker 13: your coach and your play.
Speaker 2: But so what's the what's the alternative though, Marris? Is
Speaker 2: the alternative that that the clubs continue to lose money?
Speaker 1: Is that?
Speaker 2: Is that the is that the alternative?
Speaker 13: No, the alternative is the clubs that you need to
Speaker 13: shave the head office and start cutting some costs and
Speaker 13: stop being ostentatious. The clubs that you're going to look
Speaker 13: at reality rugby issues?
Speaker 6: Are you go watch talk complete?
Speaker 13: We've got fifteen thousand people and a sixty thousand people stadium.
Speaker 13: What does it cost to use eden part? What does
Speaker 13: it cost for a target use a stadium? What are
Speaker 13: those stadiums costs when you're not following them up? But
Speaker 13: it seems to me games the issue, the rules of
Speaker 13: the issue, and no one goes to watch it you
Speaker 13: know this year. So I spoke to when he guides
Speaker 13: at the WHOPI Tevan when that first all tests come
Speaker 13: out with a change the day, when they really enjoyed
Speaker 13: the test and open the way they played and all
Speaker 13: the rest of it. It's actually not an attractive game
Speaker 13: to watch and you don't enjoy it. But I'm enjoying
Speaker 13: the NPC at the moment. You know, I enjoyed yesterday
Speaker 13: going watching Kelston play Grammar in the one A final,
Speaker 13: but I don't enjoy the Super rugby.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'm the I'm the opposite Marris. I don't
Speaker 2: think that there is I don't think there is a
Speaker 2: there is a problem with the rugby that we're watching.
Speaker 2: I think there's a marketability problem. I actually, I'd totally
Speaker 2: agree there's a marketability problem to get more people along.
Speaker 2: But I think I mean, viewer numbers are up, so
Speaker 2: that tells you that the product is attractive. I'm talking
Speaker 2: about TV viewer, is it.
Speaker 19: Yeah?
Speaker 13: TV viewers are up. But where these clubs make the money?
Speaker 13: Because remember is there if you make the money out
Speaker 13: of TV viewing and then they give it up. The
Speaker 13: money is made in them getting people into the stadium
Speaker 13: and filling it up and you look at it and
Speaker 13: that's half your issue is that you go to a
Speaker 13: was not full and you think he was. You go
Speaker 13: to the Warriors, and I am not a warrior of saying,
Speaker 13: but I've been here a couple of times and you
Speaker 13: want to go back and I don't bite rugby league.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, but the other things, Marris, I mean
Speaker 2: the Warriors are privately owned, you know, so so you
Speaker 2: know there's there's a lot of things that play here.
Speaker 2: You talked about office staff, You're talking about venues, You're
Speaker 2: talked about rules. There's a lot of things here. If
Speaker 2: we if we bring it back to the the drive
Speaker 2: to have more private investment in rugby, then I think
Speaker 2: I think New Zealand rugby has to. I'm not saying
Speaker 2: relinquished control and the text are here. Club owners overseas
Speaker 2: with hold key players from test rugby, availability and money talks.
Speaker 2: Can you really see a time where a New Zealand
Speaker 2: Super rugby team and there are only five of them?
Speaker 2: Can you really see a time when when a club
Speaker 2: will withhold someone from international rugby? The answer is no,
Speaker 2: And you know the main reason the answer is no
Speaker 2: is because the season stoned overlap. Super Rugby is played
Speaker 2: before the international season. Yes, there's an ANZAC Daytest next year.
Speaker 2: We know that that's a new innovation. But Super Rugby
Speaker 2: teams won't be able to withhold their players from playing
Speaker 2: for the All Blacks because once the international season arrives,
Speaker 2: the Super Rugby season is over. So we can strike
Speaker 2: that out straight away. One twenty seven News Talks itb
Speaker 2: oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Time for a
Speaker 2: few more calls back after.
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Speaker 2: Text are here. Any sports strategic or any sports strategic
Speaker 2: planning and discussion that doesn't begin with building grassroots is
Speaker 2: fatally flawed. I totally agree. So instead of New Zealand
Speaker 2: Rugby propping up Super Rugby franchises, wouldn't that money be
Speaker 2: better used in other places like grassroots? Privatization of Super
Speaker 2: Rugby would allow that. At the moment, New Zealand Rugby
Speaker 2: is covering the losses of the Super Rugby teams, and
Speaker 2: the Deloitte report that's been leaked during the week suggests
Speaker 2: that five years from now, if nothing changes, the five
Speaker 2: clubs will lose cumulatively. Cumulatively, I should just say collectively
Speaker 2: twenty million a year. Twenty million a year that can't
Speaker 2: be used for something else. So yes, grassroots should be
Speaker 2: a part of this discussion. Jason, don't you think says
Speaker 2: this text that rugby's been a bit boring in recent
Speaker 2: years stop start because of the rules and the TMO interference.
Speaker 2: I do agree, But Super Rugby did something about it
Speaker 2: under Jack Mesley. They changed it. They said no, we
Speaker 2: don't want the tmos coming in all the time. I
Speaker 2: think that's part of the reason why it's so jarring
Speaker 2: in international rugby at the moment is because we got
Speaker 2: used to a super rugby competition that didn't have endless
Speaker 2: TMO intervention. I totally agree. So look, I don't think
Speaker 2: that's a super rugby problem to wide A rugby problem, yes,
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Speaker 2: and celebrate thirty years on one of our all time
Speaker 2: great Paralympic performances.
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Speaker 2: Thirty five on text? Would privatization end up with the
Speaker 2: French example of the club's dictating which players are available again? No,
Speaker 2: because Super Rugby doesn't run at the same time as
Speaker 2: International rugby thirty years ago?
Speaker 10: Can we?
Speaker 2: Swimmer Dwayne Kale produced one of New Zealand's all time
Speaker 2: great Paralympic performances at the Atlanta Games in nineteen ninety six.
Speaker 2: He competed in six events, the one hundred meter backstroke.
Speaker 2: He won bronze, fifty meter freestyle a new world record
Speaker 2: in the heats, and silver in the final fifty meter
Speaker 2: butterfly gold, one hundred meter freestyle gold, two hundred meter
Speaker 2: freestyle gold, two hundred meter individual medley gold, six events,
Speaker 2: six medals, including four golds. One of the greatest achievements
Speaker 2: in our Paralympic and in fact, our sporting history. Dwayne
Speaker 2: Kale is with US Dwayne Hartebill. It's been thirty years
Speaker 2: since Atlanta. When someone mentions the ninety six Paralympic Games,
Speaker 2: do you what's the very first image or two that
Speaker 2: comes into your mind?
Speaker 5: Hey, Finy, thanks for the intro, and it is really
Speaker 5: going down down memory road.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 5: The image that that comes back to me for Atlanta
Speaker 5: was really that, you know, this intersept where my life
Speaker 5: had been changed significantly, and to come out of there
Speaker 5: and on top of this sporting world stage, and you
Speaker 5: know that those two things could not have been so different.
Speaker 5: Been those days, early days of not going to walk
Speaker 5: and you know, what does disability mean? And I thought
Speaker 5: disability meets it in all corner and wait to die
Speaker 5: and that was probably an option. But you know, fortunately
Speaker 5: sports background and the sporting opportunity through Paralympics and that
Speaker 5: insect and just had everything came together for Atlanta was
Speaker 5: a real turning point and a sort of cemented for
Speaker 5: me of you know, there is a lot of opportunity
Speaker 5: your head, you know, and disability doesn't actually hold you back,
Speaker 5: doesn't define you, but it might shape the sort of
Speaker 5: things that you do and where you point your energy.
Speaker 2: Sport was something you absolutely loved before your injury. How
Speaker 2: devastating was it to hear those words you're not going
Speaker 2: to walk again.
Speaker 5: I was twenty two and at the time, like, I've
Speaker 5: never had any sort of real injury or certainly not surgery,
Speaker 5: and it just didn't compute that, you know, what do
Speaker 5: you mean, I'm not going to walk? And it was
Speaker 5: I remember saying that the dog. I said, well, just
Speaker 5: top out of my way a minute and I'll just
Speaker 5: get out of this bed and I'll show you how
Speaker 5: it will happened, and like collapsed on the floor. I think, oh,
Speaker 5: that's a bit odd. And you know, it took some
Speaker 5: time to adjust of and I think it was more
Speaker 5: that psychological piece of disability and now that's not me.
Speaker 5: And so there was a lot of adjustment to go through,
Speaker 5: and as you indicated, great support friends, family, and particularly
Speaker 5: one one person that was really prominent at that time
Speaker 5: was my old swim coach from Hawks Bay, guy by
Speaker 5: the name of John Beaumont, and it was it was
Speaker 5: really his efforts and his willingness to want to get involved,
Speaker 5: and as he described it helped sort my life out
Speaker 5: that we head it on this path of sport and swimming.
Speaker 2: Just before we get to your discovery of Paralympic swimming.
Speaker 2: Those months after your surgery must have been incredibly difficult.
Speaker 2: Where did you find the strength to keep looking forward?
Speaker 5: I think probably one of the grounding things I had.
Speaker 5: I was with National Bank, and so I had a
Speaker 5: job to go back to and a very supportive employer,
Speaker 5: and so I had something meaningful to do. And I
Speaker 5: think that that was a big part of it is
Speaker 5: you know, I still had purpose and I still had
Speaker 5: a job, but it was all these other things that
Speaker 5: you do outside of work. Now, I was fortunate I
Speaker 5: worked in an office, so that made it a little
Speaker 5: bit easier to go back, but it was adjusting to
Speaker 5: all these other things of how you live normal life,
Speaker 5: how you get in and out of your house, how
Speaker 5: you do supermarket shopping. You know, all these things that
Speaker 5: are just different. And you know, if there was one
Speaker 5: benefit you know, with mobility, you get one of those
Speaker 5: mobility cards and you can part right outside of supermarket,
Speaker 5: and in a big city that's super important. You know,
Speaker 5: they're hard to get. So there was you know, there
Speaker 5: was some small upsides, I guess, but you know just
Speaker 5: then getting around you know, supermarkets and just everyday life.
Speaker 5: You know, it was just different. It was hard and
Speaker 5: you had to learn to do it in a different way.
Speaker 2: When Paralympic swimming came onto your radar, did it immediately
Speaker 2: ignite something inside you?
Speaker 5: I think it did because I'd started swimming from a
Speaker 5: rehead point of view because I couldn't get back on
Speaker 5: my bike little and pedal and I couldn't run, And
Speaker 5: I yes, that was a blessing in disguise because as
Speaker 5: a triathlete, I hated running. So now I've got a
Speaker 5: genuine excuse. But I think I'd started the swimming from
Speaker 5: a rehap point of view, and I'd seen the documentary
Speaker 5: that elite Sir Paul Holmes and Chess too Good had
Speaker 5: done on the Barcelona Paralympic Games, and it was that
Speaker 5: was the eye opener of these people that look like me,
Speaker 5: that are actually swimming for their country and it's a
Speaker 5: thing called the Paralympic Games. And that was the that
Speaker 5: was really the moment where I had discussions with my
Speaker 5: coach and you know, we started to get serious about
Speaker 5: what a program might look like.
Speaker 2: And that was around nineteen ninety three or thereabouts. By
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety six, you're a four time Paralympic champion. Looking back, now,
Speaker 2: does that progression still amaze you?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I guess it does. Yes, I had I had
Speaker 5: a pretty handy swimming background. But that is one of
Speaker 5: the things that we do notice and stilled today in
Speaker 5: Paralympic sport is that particularly people that incurre an injury,
Speaker 5: you know, that have got an athletic sporting background, they
Speaker 5: can come to sport and and and rise pretty quickly
Speaker 5: because of that that background and that you know, they
Speaker 5: are their mental.
Speaker 11: Approach to sport.
Speaker 5: But yes, I think it still surprises. You know, I
Speaker 5: still pinched myself on many things that have occurred, and
Speaker 5: that being one of them. I've been able to represent
Speaker 5: country and perform and come away with a fist full
Speaker 5: of metals was you know, it was a huge achievement.
Speaker 5: I'm super proud of.
Speaker 2: A fistfull is right? Six events, six medals, four of
Speaker 2: them gold. At the time, Dwayne, did you have at
Speaker 2: any sense that you were producing one of the great
Speaker 2: performances by a New Zealand athlete at any Games.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 5: All I knew at the time was I was actually
Speaker 5: swimming in the lane either next to or the same
Speaker 5: as what Dnian Loader had swimming three weeks beforehand, and
Speaker 5: that had probably given me a little bit of inspiration too.
Speaker 6: Of that.
Speaker 5: Dnian is Kiwi swimmer performed incredibly well and a high
Speaker 5: standard and very well, you know, strategically considered race really
Speaker 5: and I was in that pool, but I wasn't given
Speaker 5: any real thought to replicating that or what it may be.
Speaker 5: And I think also as you someone that's swimming in
Speaker 5: that number of events, you probably don't we don't take
Speaker 5: the time to reflect as you're going is to Juz
Speaker 5: this is this is a quite an achievement and he
Speaker 5: probably miss out on some of the sort of the
Speaker 5: celebration side, you know, the ceremony where you actually focus
Speaker 5: on the next day, and it's part of the process
Speaker 5: you're going through. So sad in some ways, but you
Speaker 5: never be able to do a job.
Speaker 2: Of the four gold medals, is there one Rice that
Speaker 2: stands at above the others.
Speaker 5: I think the one that stands out was my first
Speaker 5: one for both well, probably for bad reasons. Actually the
Speaker 5: first event I was and was the two hundred Medley.
Speaker 5: And I've done a fair bit of sort of you know,
Speaker 5: affirmation work and you know, positive informations and you know
Speaker 5: how you were approaching events. And part of that, rightly wrongly,
Speaker 5: was if I have a good first event, that will
Speaker 5: just sort of settle the nerves and set me out
Speaker 5: well for the rest of the meat. And I swung
Speaker 5: the heats of the two hundred badly. I won my hate,
Speaker 5: I broke the world record, ended up being top qualifire
Speaker 5: for that night, and swung again that night and equaled
Speaker 5: that world record, and I won that race for about
Speaker 5: sixty seconds, and then the chief judge came over and
Speaker 5: said that I've been disqualified. And it was like what
Speaker 5: And you're sort of scrambling those sort of computing orders.
Speaker 5: What news happened? And to give context with my situation,
Speaker 5: I don't dive off the blocks, you know, I literally
Speaker 5: I fall in the water and I start from in
Speaker 5: the water. You know, when the gun or buzzer goes off,
Speaker 5: and so when I got out and they described that once, well,
Speaker 5: from your dive into the pool, you took two strokes
Speaker 5: under the water. Now you all know that's a no no,
Speaker 5: and you can only do one stroke under the water.
Speaker 5: But I thought that was odd. And then another official
Speaker 5: came over and she was over here during the discussion,
Speaker 5: and she can you just repeat that when he dived
Speaker 5: off the blocks into the pool and the chief judge
Speaker 5: s jere she goes, well, he doesn't die, and that was.
Speaker 11: The end of the debate.
Speaker 5: So yeah, that's probably for some ways the wrong reasons,
Speaker 5: one of the most memorable things. And then the awful
Speaker 5: thing about that was like, this was half an hour
Speaker 5: later and the supposed winners of the event, the gold
Speaker 5: children bronze, were in the ceremony room waiting to march
Speaker 5: out to go to the podium, and I come in
Speaker 5: and having apologize on look this, guys, I'm really sorry,
Speaker 5: but there's been a mistake, and everyone shuffled down a
Speaker 5: spot and the poor bugger that was going to get
Speaker 5: a bronze medal had to leave the room. So yeah,
Speaker 5: not great, but yes, I remember that one quite clearly
Speaker 5: looking back.
Speaker 2: Now, Dwayne, what are you proud of is it the
Speaker 2: medals themselves or everything it took to get there.
Speaker 5: What am I most proud of is not specifically around
Speaker 5: Atlanta and the event and the results. I think, and
Speaker 5: I've only understood this years and years later, is that
Speaker 5: I came away from Atlanta thinking, you know, man, that
Speaker 5: what an awesome experience. You're on the top of the
Speaker 5: world sporting stage and the Paralympic environment, and look how
Speaker 5: fay you've come. It doesn't get any better than that.
Speaker 5: And that's where I was wrong. I think, you know what,
Speaker 5: I've been able to be involved in running sports teams,
Speaker 5: being involved in the International Paralympic Committee, in a variety
Speaker 5: of other things. He should get more satisfaction about creating
Speaker 5: that platform for those that will you saying goes following
Speaker 5: your footsteps, but they actually exceed what you did. You know,
Speaker 5: you said a new beach smart for others to exceed.
Speaker 5: And I think that's what I'm most proud of because
Speaker 5: it was part and I didn't do it solely, but
Speaker 5: that was part of our history and changing the awareness
Speaker 5: and perception of disability and Paralympic sport, and super proud
Speaker 5: of how that's grown and the decades to come.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Paralympic sport is so much more visible now
Speaker 2: than it was thirty years ago. How satisfying has it
Speaker 2: been to watch that growth and be part of that growth.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's enormous and hugely satisfying. And there's there's been
Speaker 5: blips upwards and down, and I do recall the Sydney
Speaker 5: two thousand games are very time friendly for New Zealand
Speaker 5: and again Paul Holmes and chairs too good. I had
Speaker 5: a slot on TVNZ from five pm to six pm
Speaker 5: every weeknight and it rated and who knows it might
Speaker 5: still do, but it was the highest rating show in
Speaker 5: that time slot and it was coverage of the parallemic
Speaker 5: Games in Sydney, so that was a real game changer.
Speaker 5: And then we saw some of the thing really coming
Speaker 5: out of London where just the whole games itself and
Speaker 5: the broadcasting has gone up and up, and internationally it continues.
Speaker 5: You know, Milano Cortina had better coverage than what we've
Speaker 5: seen in Paris from a summer games into a winter,
Speaker 5: smaller games, arguably less interests in terms of nations competing,
Speaker 5: but the interest is growing more rapidly.
Speaker 2: Well, long may that continue? Yeah, long may it continue?
Speaker 2: Just to finish. Wayne, your story is one of many things,
Speaker 2: but resilience is certainly a quality that I abscribed to you,
Speaker 2: having had the opportunity to learn all about you but
Speaker 2: also to meet you. When people face life changing setbacks,
Speaker 2: what are the lessons that you've learned that might be
Speaker 2: helpful to them.
Speaker 5: I had the fortunate opportunity to meet Summary Hellberg many
Speaker 5: years ago, and he was actually talking to us as
Speaker 5: a team, and he used a description that I've repeated
Speaker 5: where he talks about when one you know, we all
Speaker 5: understand the one door opens, another floor sorry, one door closes,
Speaker 5: and another door opens. And he described it to me as,
Speaker 5: you know, one door shuts, and there's two doors in
Speaker 5: front of you, and you've got to be bold enough
Speaker 5: to choose one to go through, and then brave enough
Speaker 5: to take that step and go through it. And I
Speaker 5: think that's the thing, you know, I think about resilience
Speaker 5: and things that I've learned from this is that you
Speaker 5: never know what's on the other side of that opportunity
Speaker 5: that's presented to you, and you know grabbed them, you know,
Speaker 5: because even you might not have the confidence in yourself
Speaker 5: at jeez, am I really up for this experience that
Speaker 5: with the shift to mission roles for Beijing and for London.
Speaker 5: When I was offered the opportunity to be a shift
Speaker 5: to mission, I'd said, you know, I'm happy to help out,
Speaker 5: and I didn't expect to actually run the team. But
Speaker 5: when you were given that opportunity, you grab it and
Speaker 5: you shape it, and you add what you can to
Speaker 5: it and take your learnings from it. You can get
Speaker 5: another chance at it.
Speaker 8: Great.
Speaker 5: So you don't be afraid to step into things I
Speaker 5: think is a big thing, and you don't let others
Speaker 5: be the judge of what you can and can't do,
Speaker 5: which unfortunately is often the case with visibility. You be
Speaker 5: the judge of how you're going to break down a
Speaker 5: few barriers and you do things that are exceptional.
Speaker 2: Well you certainly did that thirty years ago in Atlanta,
Speaker 2: and in the three decades since, Dwin has been wonderful
Speaker 2: having a we mosey down memory lane with you.
Speaker 5: Thanks so much for taking the time, pleasure, thanks so
Speaker 5: much being enjoyed it.
Speaker 2: Now enjoyed it too, Thanks Dane Dwayne Kale there six
Speaker 2: time medallist at the Paralympics in Atlanta in nineteen ninety six,
Speaker 2: four of those gold and in the three decades since,
Speaker 2: just a driving force in the area of Paralympic sport.
Speaker 2: Great to get the chance to chat to Dwayne Kale.
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Speaker 2: the NPC. Not a high scoring affair, you would you
Speaker 2: would say at Rugby Park and in Vicago, Southland eight
Speaker 2: Waite cuttle five at halftime in that one, so bit
Speaker 2: of an armor wrestle between those two sides. In Darwin,
Speaker 2: Australia are two hundred and forty three for seven in
Speaker 2: their second inning, so they now have a lead. Bangladesh
Speaker 2: will have to bat again, but Australia seven down, they
Speaker 2: lead by fifteen runs with just the three second innings
Speaker 2: wickets in hand. Cameron Green is still there, unbeaten on
Speaker 2: eighty so you'd have to think that if Australia are
Speaker 2: going to get out of this rather precarious situation, he's
Speaker 2: going to have a big part to play. Mitchell Stark
Speaker 2: is unbeaten on fourteen, just Nathan Lyon and Josh Hazelwood
Speaker 2: to come and in the Chatham Cup semi finals. It
Speaker 2: is Cashmir Tech who have won that one. They've beaten
Speaker 2: Opia City Rovers two to one and through to the
Speaker 2: Chatham Cup Final where they will take on Fencibles. That
Speaker 2: game is on the weekend of September four and five
Speaker 2: or five and six. I'm sure I'll get a more
Speaker 2: a more cast iron date closer to that time. I
Speaker 2: think we've pretty much run out of steam. Tim Beverages
Speaker 2: half to three. Thank you for listening to Weekend Sport
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