WEBVTT - Full Show Podcast: 16 August 2026 0:00:06.667 --> 0:00:10.427 You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Fine 0:00:10.707 --> 0:00:16.347 from News Talks EDB. The only place for the big names, 0:00:16.587 --> 0:00:21.667 the big issues, the big controversies and the big conversations. 0:00:21.747 --> 0:00:25.067 It's all on Weekend Sports with Jason Fine and the 0:00:25.187 --> 0:00:28.667 udi Q seven Dynamic Black Runout Edition on Youth Talks EDB, 0:00:28.947 --> 0:00:30.147 your home of sport. 0:00:30.947 --> 0:00:33.747 Hello there, you're to good afternoon. Welcome into Weekend Sport 0:00:33.827 --> 0:00:36.667 on News Talks EDB. For Sunday, August sixteen, Happy twenty 0:00:36.707 --> 0:00:40.387 fifth birthday to well Tennis number one Yanick Singer, Happy 0:00:40.427 --> 0:00:43.947 fifty second to the Weast Indies second highest test run 0:00:43.987 --> 0:00:48.107 score up of all time, Schuvenerene Chanderpaul Brian Larras Top 0:00:48.107 --> 0:00:51.147 and Cash. You are wondering, I'm Jason Pineshow producer Andy McDonald. 0:00:51.267 --> 0:00:52.947 We're talking sport until three. 0:00:55.187 --> 0:01:00.147 Hemmy All Blacks sign off their pre test preparations by 0:01:00.267 --> 0:01:03.227 having them board with the Horns and Loveless with now 0:01:04.227 --> 0:01:05.227 fifty points to. 0:01:05.307 --> 0:01:09.587 Nineteen three from three on their tour of South Africa 0:01:09.587 --> 0:01:12.547 for the All Blacks, Now the fun really begins. The 0:01:12.587 --> 0:01:16.827 first test at Alice Park looms Large seven days from now. 0:01:16.867 --> 0:01:20.347 All Blacks assistant coach Neil Barnes standing by to chat 0:01:20.347 --> 0:01:22.867 tis that I'm very keen to hear from you. How 0:01:22.947 --> 0:01:27.147 ready are we for the spring box. Meantime, the Warriors 0:01:27.147 --> 0:01:29.307 have run over the top of the Broncos and Brisbane 0:01:29.347 --> 0:01:31.987 forty points to six, third on the ladder level on 0:01:32.027 --> 0:01:34.987 points with the second place Panthers three games to play. 0:01:34.987 --> 0:01:37.227 We'll get to the Wars after one. Your thoughts and 0:01:37.347 --> 0:01:41.307 those of Warriors legend Kevin Campion. We're also this afternoon 0:01:41.347 --> 0:01:44.427 going to celebrate the thirty year anniversary of one of 0:01:44.427 --> 0:01:49.267 our greatest ever Paralympic performances live bought this afternoon in PC. 0:01:49.387 --> 0:01:51.507 Why cuttle can go joint top if they beat South 0:01:51.587 --> 0:01:55.187 London and the Cargo kickoff five past two. Bangladesh have 0:01:55.267 --> 0:01:57.947 the upper hand after three days of their cricket Test 0:01:58.307 --> 0:02:01.707 against Australia in Darwin. We'll keep eyes on day four 0:02:02.187 --> 0:02:04.667 when it gets under way shortly and Chatham Cup semi 0:02:04.667 --> 0:02:08.547 final football Cash Me Tech and Napier City Rovers have 0:02:08.707 --> 0:02:10.627 just kicked off in christ Church for the right to 0:02:10.667 --> 0:02:14.347 meet Fencibles and next month's fine walkie bars and all 0:02:14.387 --> 0:02:16.427 that for you. As always the show as yours to 0:02:16.427 --> 0:02:18.627 get involved in oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty 0:02:19.027 --> 0:02:20.787 Get you throw on the phones nine two ninety two 0:02:20.827 --> 0:02:24.747 for your text messages emails to Jason at NEWSTALKSDB dot 0:02:24.747 --> 0:02:27.067 co dot NZ bang on nine past mid Day. 0:02:27.747 --> 0:02:32.027 Q one Madison Sports Weekend Sports with Jason Vine and 0:02:32.107 --> 0:02:35.587 the Audi Q seven Dynamic Black Runout Edition available at 0:02:35.627 --> 0:02:36.987 your local Audi dealership. 0:02:37.147 --> 0:02:40.147 News Talks V three from three for the All Blacks 0:02:40.147 --> 0:02:41.027 in South Africa. 0:02:41.507 --> 0:02:44.307 Now Tima, Tima, Now I on the charge, taking eight 0:02:44.347 --> 0:02:47.387 meters short of the line. Recycled nicely for precedents. It's 0:02:47.387 --> 0:02:50.667 ad grad pages through under the horn. 0:02:50.867 --> 0:02:53.267 Yeah. That was the eighth of eight tries. The All 0:02:53.267 --> 0:02:56.427 Black scored and beating the Bulls fifty points to nineteen. 0:02:56.947 --> 0:03:00.867 In Pretoria. This morning, All Black's assistant coach Neil Barnes 0:03:00.987 --> 0:03:03.067 is with Neil, thanks for your time. Have you gotten 0:03:03.107 --> 0:03:06.787 what you needed from these three tour games before the 0:03:06.827 --> 0:03:07.787 Test series starts? 0:03:08.707 --> 0:03:10.747 Ah, Look, Jason, I guess as a coach you're always 0:03:10.747 --> 0:03:14.347 wanting more. But we've had a good test up front 0:03:14.387 --> 0:03:16.267 like this. When you think of our first game against 0:03:16.267 --> 0:03:18.027 the Stormers, we got showed up a little bit now 0:03:18.107 --> 0:03:21.427 more d set Pece side of it, but we've made 0:03:21.467 --> 0:03:24.267 some shifts in that still got more to do. But 0:03:24.347 --> 0:03:26.587 the awesome thing is we're creating a lot of opportunities. 0:03:26.867 --> 0:03:28.987 Just unfortunately our skill set to night didn't let us 0:03:29.027 --> 0:03:30.227 execute as much as we'd like. 0:03:30.707 --> 0:03:33.467 That's interesting because from outside looking in, I guess it 0:03:33.627 --> 0:03:38.027 was a very efficient performance with really good moments on 0:03:38.107 --> 0:03:39.867 both sides of the ball. But you still think there's 0:03:39.867 --> 0:03:41.747 more to come with ball in hand. 0:03:43.507 --> 0:03:46.907 Yeah, without being too negative, I think we probably left 0:03:46.907 --> 0:03:49.587 four or five tries out there. Like I said, we're 0:03:49.627 --> 0:03:52.347 creating a lot and that's where after, but we've just 0:03:52.387 --> 0:03:54.707 got to get better at finishing off. But yeah, look 0:03:54.747 --> 0:03:56.947 we're getting plenty out of it, and good on these 0:03:58.027 --> 0:04:00.547 teams that were playing against because it's out of season 0:04:00.547 --> 0:04:02.507 for them. They're having their first hit out for quite 0:04:02.507 --> 0:04:05.187 a while before they start their big seasons again, so 0:04:05.267 --> 0:04:08.867 it's not easy for them. So yeah, I thought the Bulls, 0:04:08.907 --> 0:04:10.387 you've got to give them credit. They came out with 0:04:10.427 --> 0:04:12.587 a positive attitude today and played and had a bit 0:04:12.587 --> 0:04:15.107 of pressure at times, So yeah, it's good. 0:04:15.467 --> 0:04:18.187 How much will things now ramp up as you reach 0:04:18.267 --> 0:04:20.227 the test segment of the tour. 0:04:21.987 --> 0:04:24.507 Well, obviously, yeah, you find tune a lot. Now it's 0:04:24.507 --> 0:04:28.107 a test match coming up, less experimentation, but we'll still 0:04:28.107 --> 0:04:32.027 be playing with a positive mindset. It'll just be at 0:04:32.027 --> 0:04:34.187 a way, way higher level. As we're all well aware. 0:04:34.187 --> 0:04:35.667 If we're planning against one of the best sides in 0:04:35.667 --> 0:04:38.267 the world and there've been understanding that we'll need to 0:04:38.267 --> 0:04:39.347 be at our best to compete. 0:04:39.867 --> 0:04:42.787 Are there still places up for grabs in the test site? 0:04:44.027 --> 0:04:47.227 Oh hell yes, We've got a pretty open mindset what 0:04:47.267 --> 0:04:49.507 our test team should look like. Obviously you have a 0:04:49.587 --> 0:04:51.587 rough idea what it would be. But the awesome thing 0:04:51.627 --> 0:04:54.027 about these games is allowing people to put their hands up, 0:04:54.507 --> 0:04:56.587 and we've got a lot of competition now across across 0:04:56.627 --> 0:04:57.907 the team for different positions. 0:04:58.347 --> 0:05:02.667 Is that the message you give to those who perhaps think, hey, 0:05:02.667 --> 0:05:04.707 I'm not in the picture for the test side, is 0:05:04.707 --> 0:05:06.547 that the message you give them that you know the 0:05:06.587 --> 0:05:08.387 door isn't closed to anybody and we just need you 0:05:08.427 --> 0:05:09.267 to put your hands up. 0:05:10.587 --> 0:05:12.667 Well, we've been pretty clear in this whole tour where 0:05:12.707 --> 0:05:15.907 one team, we've deliberately haven't picked a test side and 0:05:16.347 --> 0:05:20.907 midweek team. The USC players been rolled through in each 0:05:20.987 --> 0:05:25.867 game in different positions and with different mixes so yeah, 0:05:25.947 --> 0:05:28.747 I'll go back to it. The jerseys are there for 0:05:28.787 --> 0:05:30.947 the grabs and it's just it's going to be slipped 0:05:30.947 --> 0:05:32.187 in on performance. 0:05:32.627 --> 0:05:36.267 Camera regard and Will Jordan haven't played any rugbyond Tour yet. 0:05:36.627 --> 0:05:38.747 Do you have any concerns over their readiness for the 0:05:38.747 --> 0:05:39.587 first Test? 0:05:40.787 --> 0:05:42.467 Well, they've played a little bit, but they've just got 0:05:42.627 --> 0:05:45.947 Legli injuries at the moment, so I'm pretty sure they 0:05:46.427 --> 0:05:48.227 Well I can't even think back to the last games 0:05:48.267 --> 0:05:51.147 they played. I'm pretty sure that everyone's played. 0:05:51.747 --> 0:05:52.387 Some part of. 0:05:52.347 --> 0:05:55.227 It could be corrected, but no, no concerns at all 0:05:55.627 --> 0:05:58.667 in their preparations. So yeah, obviously be nice if they 0:05:58.667 --> 0:06:00.987 were out there getting more game time at the moment, 0:06:01.067 --> 0:06:04.747 but little Negli injuries, it's better on the safe side. 0:06:05.067 --> 0:06:07.947 You've been really clear a coaching group about how you 0:06:07.987 --> 0:06:10.307 want this team to play. How do you deal with 0:06:10.347 --> 0:06:13.827 the fact that South Africa will know what's coming from you? 0:06:15.147 --> 0:06:17.707 Well, that's part and part of it. We're just gotta 0:06:17.707 --> 0:06:20.507 have enough variety in our game that they can't anticipate 0:06:20.547 --> 0:06:23.067 what we're actually going to do. So yeah, we've got 0:06:23.147 --> 0:06:26.747 multi threats across our game. And yeah, if they get 0:06:26.747 --> 0:06:28.587 some wins and that sorde of thing defending us, so 0:06:28.667 --> 0:06:30.707 be it, but we'll keep trying to expose them. 0:06:31.267 --> 0:06:35.147 How ready are you for the South Africans aerial game? 0:06:37.587 --> 0:06:38.147 Ready enough? 0:06:38.747 --> 0:06:40.187 We've been training that side of it. 0:06:40.547 --> 0:06:41.747 Weren't happy where we were a. 0:06:41.787 --> 0:06:44.707 Game before last in that area, but I thought we've 0:06:44.707 --> 0:06:50.787 made shifts there. So yeah, it's not an easy situation. 0:06:50.787 --> 0:06:52.547 It's but of a lottery at times when people jumping 0:06:52.587 --> 0:06:54.707 up in the air and slapping it down. But we're 0:06:54.747 --> 0:06:57.547 doing our best to account of that. And if we 0:06:57.547 --> 0:07:00.027 can feed off those balls that we get and attack, 0:07:00.187 --> 0:07:03.107 well they'll be fine. Ue ball outside of set peace, 0:07:03.147 --> 0:07:04.187 weren't they indeed? 0:07:04.307 --> 0:07:07.387 And yeah, alluded to it before Neil, But more defense, 0:07:07.707 --> 0:07:10.787 you feel you're in a good place to counter, you know, 0:07:10.867 --> 0:07:13.427 line out drives, et cetera, close to your line. 0:07:14.627 --> 0:07:16.987 Yeah, I think the boys have stepped up there big time. 0:07:17.027 --> 0:07:19.347 I've put some fair bit of work into that and 0:07:19.427 --> 0:07:22.227 a fair bit of detail. Yeah, Look, every now and then, 0:07:22.267 --> 0:07:23.907 it's a tough situation to be in there. If you 0:07:23.947 --> 0:07:27.267 get one thing wrong, a good team will put it 0:07:27.267 --> 0:07:29.667 over the line. So at the moment, happy with we 0:07:29.667 --> 0:07:31.387 we're getting to but obviously that will need to go 0:07:31.427 --> 0:07:33.507 up and level against the spring Box because they're pretty 0:07:33.547 --> 0:07:34.347 damn good at what they do. 0:07:34.947 --> 0:07:37.827 How has Richie mu Wonga integrated himself back into the 0:07:37.867 --> 0:07:38.347 All Blacks? 0:07:39.827 --> 0:07:42.187 Do we've gone in this morning? He seems to have 0:07:42.227 --> 0:07:45.987 traveled really well. Obviously, Boy's pretty happy to see him. 0:07:45.987 --> 0:07:48.747 He's a team member of ours. But yeah, good him 0:07:48.787 --> 0:07:52.947 being is humble, but hardly seen because we're in game 0:07:52.987 --> 0:07:55.107 mode today. It's not something that we've had a lot 0:07:55.107 --> 0:07:57.587 of team meetings or anything like that. They've got their 0:07:57.587 --> 0:08:00.507 own time before we come to play. So I've seen 0:08:00.587 --> 0:08:03.107 them at meal times and he seems in good spirits 0:08:03.427 --> 0:08:03.827 all right. 0:08:03.867 --> 0:08:06.467 Just to finish then, how do you maximize the time 0:08:06.507 --> 0:08:09.707 you have between now and kick off in the first 0:08:09.747 --> 0:08:11.747 test a week or so from now? 0:08:12.187 --> 0:08:16.067 Oh, no different any test week, Jason. We're pretty set 0:08:16.147 --> 0:08:19.627 routine of how we go about our work less sometimes 0:08:19.627 --> 0:08:22.027 more in these situations. We know where we want to 0:08:22.027 --> 0:08:24.387 play and we'll be nailing into our chat decks who 0:08:24.427 --> 0:08:26.947 want to use against the Box and layer that in 0:08:26.987 --> 0:08:31.667 on Monday, train it on Tuesday, and yeah, the week 0:08:31.867 --> 0:08:33.587 comes Bear is towards the tail end of the week. 0:08:34.387 --> 0:08:37.187 Congratulations on three from three to start the tour and 0:08:37.227 --> 0:08:39.067 Neil always appreciate you taking the time for a chat. 0:08:39.067 --> 0:08:40.467 Thanks for thanks for taking the call. 0:08:40.707 --> 0:08:42.147 Not a problem, Jason chairs mate, No. 0:08:42.147 --> 0:08:43.947 Thank you, mate. That is Neil Barness, assistant coach of 0:08:43.947 --> 0:08:46.347 the All Blacks. You've heard from him. You've watched these 0:08:46.387 --> 0:08:50.147 first three games. Time for your assessment. Are we ready 0:08:50.947 --> 0:08:51.547 for the box? 0:08:53.147 --> 0:08:53.227 Oh? 0:08:53.307 --> 0:08:57.067 Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty three from three against 0:08:57.107 --> 0:09:00.027 the franchise sites. Each performance a step up from the 0:09:00.027 --> 0:09:03.107 one before. I think that's fair to say, steady improvement 0:09:03.187 --> 0:09:07.427 in key areas and a continuation and an evolution of 0:09:07.467 --> 0:09:09.627 the game plan set out by Dave Annie and his 0:09:09.707 --> 0:09:13.147 coaching team. Now we shouldn't fool ourselves, and I don't 0:09:13.147 --> 0:09:16.947 think anybody is. The test matches will be several notches 0:09:17.027 --> 0:09:19.467 up from the games against the Stormers, the Sharks and 0:09:19.507 --> 0:09:22.107 the Balls, all of who, as you heard Neil Barnes 0:09:22.107 --> 0:09:24.787 say there, are out of season and have been weakened 0:09:25.347 --> 0:09:29.347 by the withdrawal of their international players. The spring Boks 0:09:29.427 --> 0:09:32.467 are an utterly formidable rugby side, number one in the 0:09:32.467 --> 0:09:35.187 world for a reason, and Alice Park will be an 0:09:35.307 --> 0:09:39.707 absolute cauldron next weekend. But the All Blacks have got 0:09:39.827 --> 0:09:43.987 very good value out of these first three matches on 0:09:44.067 --> 0:09:48.107 tour game time for just about everybody, a further reinforcement 0:09:48.187 --> 0:09:50.627 of the way they want to play, and exposure to 0:09:50.667 --> 0:09:54.907 South African opposition and conditions. They can approach the biggest 0:09:54.907 --> 0:09:57.067 week of their year so far with I reckon a 0:09:57.107 --> 0:10:02.107 fair degree of confidence and some quiet optimism. As far 0:10:02.147 --> 0:10:04.547 as the site is concerned. To play the first Test, 0:10:04.627 --> 0:10:07.347 it seems pretty settled, doesn't it well. Jordan and camroy 0:10:07.387 --> 0:10:10.947 Guard haven't yet played on tour as they manage injuries. 0:10:11.027 --> 0:10:14.427 Neither has Rdi Savera, of course, having been a late arrival. 0:10:15.387 --> 0:10:18.187 The last game for those three was the Test against 0:10:18.187 --> 0:10:20.147 Ireland at Eden Park a month ago. No need for 0:10:20.227 --> 0:10:23.507 concern though hopefully all three will be fine to start 0:10:23.547 --> 0:10:27.787 at Alice Park. Damien mackenzie though, as carrying an ankle injury, 0:10:27.787 --> 0:10:30.467 and Davin he said afterwards he is the player that 0:10:30.507 --> 0:10:33.907 they are least certain about, but he was still hopeful 0:10:33.947 --> 0:10:36.387 that Damien McKenzie would be okay. So the test site 0:10:36.387 --> 0:10:40.427 seems pretty settled. Three places up for grabs in the 0:10:40.427 --> 0:10:44.347 starting fifteen. I would say tight head prop tyre Al 0:10:44.347 --> 0:10:46.587 Lomax or Fletcher Neu'll to start. The other coming off 0:10:46.627 --> 0:10:50.027 the bench and the second row. Has Fabian Holland got 0:10:50.107 --> 0:10:52.027 enough rugby in his legs to play the first Test 0:10:52.107 --> 0:10:54.987 or to start the first Test. If he hasn't, then 0:10:55.027 --> 0:10:59.507 it's Patrick Tweetolotu and Josh Lord and on the left 0:10:59.547 --> 0:11:01.947 wing Caleb Clark's come home of course, So who is eleven? 0:11:02.347 --> 0:11:07.107 A few choices Josh Morby, Leroy Carter fairv young and awful. 0:11:08.187 --> 0:11:11.787 Morby has the inside running after another solid two try 0:11:11.787 --> 0:11:14.307 outing this morning. Good displays in the black jersey both 0:11:14.387 --> 0:11:16.467 here and in South Africa. I thought Lee Roukarta had 0:11:16.467 --> 0:11:18.867 a really good game today as well, dotted down a 0:11:18.907 --> 0:11:21.987 couple of times, So there's options on the left wing. 0:11:22.027 --> 0:11:27.067 I think it'll probably be Morby the bench. Interesting, Anton 0:11:27.147 --> 0:11:31.827 Segna massive this morning. Massive. He has to be in 0:11:31.867 --> 0:11:35.107 the mix for the bench, so to Peter Larkey, who's 0:11:35.107 --> 0:11:36.987 impressed in every game he's played this year. And with 0:11:37.027 --> 0:11:39.787 two poor Vai playing at six, you don't need lock 0:11:39.827 --> 0:11:42.467 cover on the bench. So both Segna and Larkeye should 0:11:42.507 --> 0:11:46.067 be in the twenty three as one more has probably 0:11:46.107 --> 0:11:50.987 shaded Summersauny tokiaho for reserve hooker. Xavier Numa is a 0:11:51.027 --> 0:11:53.227 head of George Bauer as reserve loose head to Ethan 0:11:53.267 --> 0:11:58.547 de Groot and half back. Interesting Kyle Preston has taken 0:11:58.587 --> 0:12:01.107 every chance Center's way. He should be the backup to 0:12:01.187 --> 0:12:04.987 Roy guard, but it might be Cortes Luttem's greater experience 0:12:05.027 --> 0:12:07.267 that gets him the nod for the first Test. In 0:12:07.267 --> 0:12:10.947 that twenty one Jersey Anton Lennet Brown very solid international season, 0:12:11.307 --> 0:12:13.267 can play second five end center may get the night 0:12:13.307 --> 0:12:16.987 ahead of Tamothy Tavatavanawai's more barn storming qualities, and I 0:12:16.987 --> 0:12:21.027 think there's room in the reserves for Rico Youwane. He's 0:12:21.067 --> 0:12:23.907 looked good upon his return from Ireland. He covers wing 0:12:23.947 --> 0:12:27.467 and center, and there's even a scenario under which he 0:12:27.507 --> 0:12:30.067 starts the Test on the wing if Will Jordan has 0:12:30.107 --> 0:12:31.667 to move to fall back to cover McKenzie if he 0:12:31.747 --> 0:12:33.547 can't play. The other option, of course, is to play 0:12:33.587 --> 0:12:36.827 Boden Barrett at fallback. He was good this morning, certainly 0:12:36.827 --> 0:12:42.147 doesn't lack big game nous. So the group Taylor and Lomax, 0:12:42.267 --> 0:12:46.827 Tuwy Pilotto and Lord Vity, Jacobson, Savia Roygard and Love, 0:12:46.987 --> 0:12:50.947 Jordi Barrett and Topaya moreby Jordan and McKenzie f he's 0:12:50.947 --> 0:12:57.507 fit on the bench. Almor numea newall Segna Larkirattima Leonet 0:12:57.507 --> 0:13:00.267 Brown Yowane. That's how I do it. Oh, eight hundred 0:13:00.307 --> 0:13:02.947 and eighty ten eighty for your thoughts on that, and also, 0:13:02.987 --> 0:13:07.827 of course from a wider sense, how do you gauge 0:13:07.867 --> 0:13:12.507 our readiness for these massive test matches? A headlines are 0:13:12.507 --> 0:13:16.547 open eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Murray kick us off? 0:13:17.667 --> 0:13:19.947 Well, I think you've kicked off for me. Made or 0:13:20.347 --> 0:13:23.427 everything that you've said and selected was pretty much what 0:13:23.667 --> 0:13:24.547 I was going to produce. 0:13:24.987 --> 0:13:27.027 Well, I must have read your note. I must have 0:13:27.107 --> 0:13:27.827 read your note. 0:13:30.147 --> 0:13:32.147 Very quickly. I'm a gentleman of a certain age. So 0:13:32.147 --> 0:13:34.307 so the hearing might be going. But did I hear 0:13:35.347 --> 0:13:39.827 Neil Barnes say that he wasn't sure if Jordan or 0:13:39.907 --> 0:13:41.187 Rogan had played on the tour? 0:13:42.227 --> 0:13:43.707 Yeah, I think I might have caught him on the 0:13:43.747 --> 0:13:46.667 hop with the question because I think he knows they haven't. 0:13:47.467 --> 0:13:49.547 Well he did, he didn't answer every Well, then I've 0:13:49.547 --> 0:13:51.747 lost a bit of I've lost a bit of confidence 0:13:51.747 --> 0:13:53.427 of him if he doesn't know what his players are 0:13:53.507 --> 0:13:56.707 up to, especially two high profile players like that I 0:13:56.707 --> 0:13:59.147 thought it was answer group poorly. But anyway, as I 0:13:59.147 --> 0:14:00.467 said in the hearing, might be going. 0:14:01.507 --> 0:14:04.227 So you're happy enough with I mean I sort of 0:14:04.227 --> 0:14:06.827 gave I gave a twenty three yours by the sounds 0:14:06.827 --> 0:14:10.027 of it as similar. What about your levels of confidence, Murray, 0:14:10.027 --> 0:14:12.347 how are you feeling about Let's just go with the 0:14:12.347 --> 0:14:13.907 first test. How are feeling about next weekend? 0:14:14.507 --> 0:14:16.827 Well, I'm confident in us, Jason. I'm going to fly 0:14:16.987 --> 0:14:18.387 over there on Wednesday and I'm going to win. 0:14:20.587 --> 0:14:20.947 Murray. 0:14:20.987 --> 0:14:21.627 I to pack. 0:14:21.747 --> 0:14:23.467 I'm going to pack my black gear. I'm not going 0:14:23.507 --> 0:14:25.507 to pack anything else. That's how confident. 0:14:25.507 --> 0:14:28.907 I hope you've got some spare underwear and amongst all 0:14:28.947 --> 0:14:30.707 of it, Murray, I'm sure you've got that. 0:14:30.707 --> 0:14:35.547 Well, the conversations are generated now. I hate your listeners 0:14:35.587 --> 0:14:38.707 to get a picture of that. Good luck to the boys, 0:14:38.707 --> 0:14:39.787 I play good footing. 0:14:39.987 --> 0:14:41.467 Travel safe, Murray. Great to hear from. 0:14:41.507 --> 0:14:41.587 You. 0:14:41.627 --> 0:14:43.067 May give us a yell back when you get back 0:14:43.787 --> 0:14:45.187 or you know, I don't know. You probably can't call 0:14:45.227 --> 0:14:47.787 when you're over there. Time zones don't really fit. But 0:14:47.907 --> 0:14:51.907 have a great time, mate. You'll be joining as we understand, 0:14:52.107 --> 0:14:54.627 about over a thousand traveling fans. 0:14:54.747 --> 0:14:55.307 Imagine that. 0:14:55.747 --> 0:14:58.347 Imagine being an All Blacks fan at Alice Park to 0:14:58.347 --> 0:15:01.107 watch the All Blacks play the spring Bots. Murray, I'm 0:15:01.267 --> 0:15:04.467 jealous of you, mate, We're all very envious. Oh eight 0:15:04.587 --> 0:15:08.267 hundred and eighty ten eighty is our number? Andrew high today? 0:15:08.307 --> 0:15:10.947 How very good? Andrew, very good good. 0:15:11.227 --> 0:15:12.947 Just to cut the comments, I think South Africa and 0:15:13.027 --> 0:15:15.267 Rugby will be thinking what have they done in terms 0:15:15.307 --> 0:15:17.267 of giving them the opportunity to have for the warm 0:15:17.387 --> 0:15:22.187 up games, because I think anyone that started, anyone that 0:15:22.227 --> 0:15:27.747 played today could actually start. Like if push come to shove, 0:15:27.787 --> 0:15:29.307 there's no one there that you looked at that thought 0:15:29.427 --> 0:15:31.187 that you think can't start a Test match. 0:15:31.747 --> 0:15:33.587 That's a good point. Good point I think. 0:15:33.747 --> 0:15:37.507 I think Rika Yuanni was the standout today in terms 0:15:37.507 --> 0:15:40.147 of where he's gone and where he's got to under 0:15:40.187 --> 0:15:43.187 the new coaching groat. You can tell he's happy and 0:15:43.267 --> 0:15:45.747 a happy Rikae Yuani is probably one of the best 0:15:45.787 --> 0:15:50.907 centers in the world. I think Fabian Holland is emerging 0:15:50.947 --> 0:15:53.347 as probably the best lock in the world. When he 0:15:53.467 --> 0:15:57.627 chased down I know that the open side got the. 0:15:57.627 --> 0:16:00.707 Try that was called way way back for a knock on, but. 0:16:01.467 --> 0:16:03.547 When they when him and the open side headed for 0:16:03.627 --> 0:16:08.267 the ball, Holland just smoked them. Yeah, I mean he missed, 0:16:08.307 --> 0:16:12.307 he missed it as he went down, but his athleticism 0:16:12.387 --> 0:16:14.547 is off the chart. Now for me too, what does 0:16:14.547 --> 0:16:17.307 that mean when you've got a fitz Scooter? What does 0:16:17.347 --> 0:16:19.147 that mean when you've got a Fitz Scott Barrett? 0:16:19.627 --> 0:16:20.227 Does he get in? 0:16:20.987 --> 0:16:23.827 Well? Well, what about it? What about a Farbi and 0:16:23.867 --> 0:16:26.867 Holland Scott Barrett second row? You know that's one possibility. 0:16:27.027 --> 0:16:29.267 I mean we've got some some depth there now, Andrew, 0:16:29.467 --> 0:16:32.227 Josh Lord's been playing well. Patrick two plots we know 0:16:32.267 --> 0:16:34.507 about him, Sam Dowry, you know, and even if you 0:16:34.507 --> 0:16:36.907 have to go back to TV, there's there's half a 0:16:36.947 --> 0:16:40.747 dozen on forwards. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:16:41.067 --> 0:16:44.787 The only thing I thought is Cody Taylor, great, great leader. 0:16:45.547 --> 0:16:48.667 He got two tries not denying that, but he missed 0:16:48.707 --> 0:16:51.267 one that I think I'm more would have got close 0:16:51.347 --> 0:16:55.267 to the line. I just think explosive wise, I'm a 0:16:55.267 --> 0:16:55.667 little to be. 0:16:55.707 --> 0:16:56.107 On the bench. 0:16:56.147 --> 0:16:58.147 I agree with you the team that you announced, but 0:16:59.067 --> 0:17:03.427 I just think I'm more as emerging as the dynamite player, 0:17:03.547 --> 0:17:06.467 the guy with the horsepower, the guy with the explosiveness, 0:17:06.987 --> 0:17:09.067 and and and as good a leader as Cody as 0:17:09.067 --> 0:17:10.347 I don't think Cody has that. 0:17:10.387 --> 0:17:14.067 Over a Miller. I certainly think was gone past toky 0:17:14.307 --> 0:17:16.427 Hal in the in the impact role. I think they'll 0:17:16.427 --> 0:17:18.787 start Taylor and I think you'd probably agree on Rico. 0:17:18.907 --> 0:17:21.987 Really interesting point andron Ricco Yowani, it just felt like 0:17:22.067 --> 0:17:24.107 he over the last couple of seasons didn't really know 0:17:24.147 --> 0:17:25.427 what his place was in the orin. 0:17:25.787 --> 0:17:29.227 He was lost lost, and he's come back and he's 0:17:29.267 --> 0:17:33.227 been given certainty, he's been given focus, and I think 0:17:33.307 --> 0:17:35.747 he's going to start playing the best rugby of his career. 0:17:37.187 --> 0:17:39.267 Well, that would be something to see. He's I think 0:17:39.427 --> 0:17:40.907 he might have dropped a couple of kids as well, 0:17:40.947 --> 0:17:43.667 not that he needed to. But he's lean, he's live, 0:17:43.907 --> 0:17:46.427 he's quite looked hungry. Yeah, good point. 0:17:47.547 --> 0:17:50.107 Last last point i'd made from the from the Can 0:17:50.147 --> 0:17:50.667 you believe it? 0:17:50.747 --> 0:17:50.907 Fo? 0:17:51.027 --> 0:17:55.547 Can you believe that Australian rugby dropped Dave Rennie and 0:17:55.587 --> 0:17:56.787 replaced them with Eddie Jo? 0:17:57.667 --> 0:18:00.787 I cannot. Until the end of time, I will not 0:18:00.987 --> 0:18:02.067 understand that decision. 0:18:02.947 --> 0:18:05.147 Yeah, And I think that they're developing a style of 0:18:05.227 --> 0:18:09.707 rugby that that South Africa won't won't cope with. I 0:18:09.707 --> 0:18:12.747 think that the style of rugby, the speed of the ball, 0:18:13.587 --> 0:18:15.627 the way they're playing the game under any and it 0:18:15.747 --> 0:18:18.987 sort of highlights how lost everyone was under Robertson and 0:18:19.027 --> 0:18:22.387 how Robertson wasn't really the right man for the job. 0:18:22.467 --> 0:18:25.947 But I think it just highlights that they've changed everything 0:18:25.987 --> 0:18:28.827 they do. And I think we'll get parody with South 0:18:28.827 --> 0:18:31.107 Africa up front, with the forward pack that we're going 0:18:31.147 --> 0:18:33.827 to have. I think we may even dominate South Africa upfront. 0:18:34.467 --> 0:18:37.187 And I think that the style of play that's emerging 0:18:37.707 --> 0:18:40.387 South Africa won't be won't be able to handle, and 0:18:40.427 --> 0:18:42.067 I think it's a style of rugby that will win 0:18:42.147 --> 0:18:42.867 us the World Cup. 0:18:43.667 --> 0:18:46.387 Great Summery Andrews, I love the positivity. I hope you're right, mate, 0:18:46.467 --> 0:18:48.387 I hope you're right. And I'm nodding along to the 0:18:48.387 --> 0:18:50.267 stuff you're saying. Good to hear from. You make callback 0:18:50.307 --> 0:18:53.387 during the series and we'll keep chatting. Yeah. The Errico 0:18:53.427 --> 0:18:57.667 Jauani is a really interesting case. I think he is. 0:18:58.427 --> 0:19:01.227 We forget how good he was, you know, when he 0:19:01.307 --> 0:19:03.627 was when he first came into the All Blacks. He 0:19:03.627 --> 0:19:05.747 he was as good as well Jordan on the wing 0:19:06.347 --> 0:19:08.707 you know, in terms of his speed, his pace as power, 0:19:09.147 --> 0:19:11.947 he's got a truckload of tries. Decided that he would 0:19:12.027 --> 0:19:14.947 like to play at center, and Ian Foster said, okay, 0:19:15.027 --> 0:19:18.107 and Scott Robertson, I think you know he didn't play 0:19:18.307 --> 0:19:20.707 at center much at all under is it he sort 0:19:20.707 --> 0:19:23.707 of got pushback out to the wing. But under under 0:19:23.747 --> 0:19:27.227 Ian Foster, certainly Rico Yoani became a very good center. 0:19:28.307 --> 0:19:32.027 And now perhaps as he reintegrates back into the team 0:19:32.067 --> 0:19:34.267 in more of a full time basis, maybe it's his 0:19:34.427 --> 0:19:37.547 utility value off the bench and his experience is going 0:19:37.587 --> 0:19:40.387 to be most valuable to the team. I think he's 0:19:40.427 --> 0:19:44.027 in the twenty three. I really do. Eight hundred eighty 0:19:44.187 --> 0:19:47.627 ten eighty nine two ninety two is our text number. 0:19:47.627 --> 0:19:50.627 You don't have to share the overwhelming optimism. You don't 0:19:50.627 --> 0:19:53.667 want to. That's you know. All opinions are welcome in particular, 0:19:53.787 --> 0:19:57.227 always love hearing from South African rugby fans based here 0:19:57.267 --> 0:19:59.587 in New Zealand. I know there are many listening if 0:19:59.627 --> 0:20:01.747 you want to give your viewpoint. I mean, how optimistic 0:20:01.827 --> 0:20:07.667 are you feeling having watched the All Blacks fairly comfortably 0:20:07.667 --> 0:20:15.707 beat these three URC sides. Former super rugby sides. I 0:20:15.707 --> 0:20:18.147 mean South Africa have been quietly going about their business 0:20:18.227 --> 0:20:21.347 in the background and getting ready for this test. They 0:20:21.387 --> 0:20:23.987 had the narrow one over Argentina, didn't they, But they 0:20:24.027 --> 0:20:27.787 will be sob up for this, sew up for it. 0:20:28.507 --> 0:20:30.787 So South African fans based here, how are you feeling? 0:20:31.267 --> 0:20:33.467 All Blacks fans? How are you feeling? Speareline Oh, eight 0:20:33.507 --> 0:20:36.387 hundred eighty ten eighty twelve twenty seven. We're back in 0:20:36.427 --> 0:20:37.547 a second call it. 0:20:37.667 --> 0:20:40.027 How you see us? On eight hundred and eighty ten 0:20:40.107 --> 0:20:43.907 eighty Weekend Sports with Jason Vine and the Audi Q 0:20:44.027 --> 0:20:47.027 seven Dynamic Black Runout edition of Vailla will at your 0:20:47.027 --> 0:20:48.267 local Audi dealership. 0:20:48.387 --> 0:20:51.787 News Talk said be twelve thirty. Glenn says, here's my 0:20:51.787 --> 0:20:55.307 starting fifteen Pinty Lomax, Taylor De Grout, Holland and Lord 0:20:56.227 --> 0:20:58.667 d Are Sorry v at six, ARTI at seven, Lark 0:20:58.707 --> 0:21:03.707 iRED Eate Cam and Camp nine Cam ten Love. See 0:21:03.827 --> 0:21:05.787 what Glenn's done is mixed up as first and second 0:21:05.867 --> 0:21:08.627 names and we all get it nine Cam ten Love, 0:21:10.107 --> 0:21:15.107 twelve JB Center to Pia Wings Morby and Joannie fall Back. Jordan. 0:21:15.227 --> 0:21:17.187 Thanks Glenn, I appreciate it. You can send yours through 0:21:17.187 --> 0:21:19.627 if you like, or call them through or anything you 0:21:19.707 --> 0:21:21.987 want to pick up on from this morning or as 0:21:21.987 --> 0:21:24.907 we look at to the first test. Hey, George, good 0:21:24.907 --> 0:21:27.067 a Piney haws a go Yeah good George. Thanks. 0:21:28.147 --> 0:21:31.267 Hey, hey you comment here A very fascinated by the 0:21:31.787 --> 0:21:34.707 what's going to be the loose forward mix both starting 0:21:34.707 --> 0:21:36.827 in on the bench. I think as you said, I 0:21:36.867 --> 0:21:39.427 think too provided he is going to be that six, 0:21:39.827 --> 0:21:43.027 and I really agree with you Piney that it's both 0:21:43.107 --> 0:21:46.427 signor and lark. I've done more than enough to justify 0:21:46.427 --> 0:21:49.347 a selection on the bench, but I also reckon you've 0:21:49.347 --> 0:21:51.627 got to still carry a lock, so for me, I 0:21:51.667 --> 0:21:55.187 think that opens up a six to two bench. Yes, 0:21:55.347 --> 0:21:59.067 I just get worried expecting to provider move in to 0:21:59.227 --> 0:22:01.467 lock in one of those other locks to go eighty 0:22:01.507 --> 0:22:04.787 as well. You just don't really have that type five 0:22:04.907 --> 0:22:07.667 punch or freshness in the last twenty minutes, which is 0:22:07.707 --> 0:22:10.627 going to be so important in terms of the physicality. 0:22:11.427 --> 0:22:14.307 I guess it's a in a test match in general terms, 0:22:14.307 --> 0:22:16.627 you normally only have one one lock in reserve, so 0:22:16.707 --> 0:22:20.107 one of your locks normally goes eighty right, Normally they do, 0:22:20.187 --> 0:22:22.587 Sometimes they both do, not as often. But yeah, I 0:22:22.627 --> 0:22:24.347 get what I get what you're saying, and I do 0:22:24.867 --> 0:22:27.227 I do have written down here six to two and 0:22:27.267 --> 0:22:30.947 so yeah, and it would be not at all surprising 0:22:30.987 --> 0:22:32.867 if daver Renie does that in one of these test matches, 0:22:32.947 --> 0:22:33.867 or more than one of them. 0:22:34.987 --> 0:22:37.627 Yeah, because I think in this case, if you go 0:22:37.707 --> 0:22:40.507 those two loosies on the bench and say VI can 0:22:40.507 --> 0:22:44.347 cover a lock, you are asking whoever those lots that 0:22:44.427 --> 0:22:46.587 finish the game are you're going to be They're going 0:22:46.627 --> 0:22:49.987 to be both going eighty minutes. I think even via, 0:22:51.267 --> 0:22:53.507 even if you gets subbed, you know, I think you 0:22:53.587 --> 0:22:56.787 still need to carry dairy on the bench and be 0:22:56.907 --> 0:23:00.067 bringing a lock into the game for the last twenty minutes. 0:23:01.027 --> 0:23:03.827 But I don't know, you know, Dave and he had 0:23:03.867 --> 0:23:05.867 said he would try six two or look at it 0:23:05.867 --> 0:23:08.707 over here, But I thought they would have probably had 0:23:08.707 --> 0:23:10.147 a look at it by now if they were going 0:23:10.187 --> 0:23:13.907 to use it in the first test. But yeah, it's 0:23:13.907 --> 0:23:15.787 going to be interesting to see what they do with 0:23:15.827 --> 0:23:17.027 that bench lineup. 0:23:17.547 --> 0:23:19.667 Yeah, indeed. Yeah, So if they go six to two, 0:23:19.787 --> 0:23:22.827 then I don't know, I know it's risky, but I'd 0:23:22.867 --> 0:23:25.947 almost run without a reserve halfback. I mean, I know 0:23:25.987 --> 0:23:28.787 if Roygard's been injured, but if Roygard hadn't been injured, 0:23:28.787 --> 0:23:30.627 for example, I mean, the guy can go eighty minutes, 0:23:30.947 --> 0:23:32.707 and in a lot of test matches under Reney, he's 0:23:32.707 --> 0:23:36.467 played seventy minutes and sometimes more. So I'd almost gamble 0:23:36.907 --> 0:23:39.627 on not having a reserve halfback. I know it's a 0:23:39.747 --> 0:23:41.507 huge gamble because what if he goes down in the 0:23:41.507 --> 0:23:44.147 first five minutes. But yeah, then you're saying, Okay, let's 0:23:44.147 --> 0:23:46.307 say it is rough to mar or Priceton, doesn't matter who, 0:23:46.507 --> 0:23:49.027 and then you got one more back reserve. So I 0:23:49.067 --> 0:23:50.387 guess there's a lot of guys who can cover a 0:23:50.387 --> 0:23:53.427 lot of places. It's probably Lennett Brown, I would say, 0:23:54.147 --> 0:23:58.067 maybe Yoani. But yeah, there's a few selection conundrums I 0:23:58.067 --> 0:23:59.347 think ahead of this team. 0:23:59.947 --> 0:24:02.587 But I thought they might have got done that the 0:24:02.667 --> 0:24:06.867 other day when Roygard was a late scratching and just 0:24:06.907 --> 0:24:09.947 gone gone to six to two then and had had lea 0:24:10.027 --> 0:24:14.227 Ocada covering wingan half. I think that I think you're right, 0:24:14.267 --> 0:24:16.467 Like you know, roy God is gonna be such a 0:24:16.547 --> 0:24:21.267 huge part of these first few matches that you there's, yeah, 0:24:21.307 --> 0:24:23.147 there's scope there to take the risk and have Lera 0:24:23.187 --> 0:24:26.187 Ocada on the bench and he can cover obviously wing 0:24:26.227 --> 0:24:30.147 and wining half back, and then you've potentially got, you know, 0:24:30.267 --> 0:24:32.547 to take Rico or something like that because you've got 0:24:32.587 --> 0:24:36.227 firstft covered as McKenzie's playing, and there's that element of 0:24:36.347 --> 0:24:39.387 versatility anyway, So I get what you say at the risk, 0:24:39.507 --> 0:24:42.827 but I think you do need that lock cover first 0:24:42.827 --> 0:24:43.467 and foremost. 0:24:43.707 --> 0:24:45.987 Yeah, it's a good point. Help it anyway, mate, Yeah, 0:24:46.027 --> 0:24:47.787 Now help domestic get your feeling before you get back 0:24:47.827 --> 0:24:48.307 to your family. 0:24:48.907 --> 0:24:51.187 Oh great, Yeah, no, I think it's been It's been 0:24:51.187 --> 0:24:53.987 a fantastic to it to see some of these guys 0:24:53.987 --> 0:24:56.307 on their fringes of the squad get get full game 0:24:56.347 --> 0:24:59.747 time and get combinations going. I I came over thinking 0:24:59.747 --> 0:25:02.147 it will be a tough, tough ass, but I reckon 0:25:02.187 --> 0:25:04.467 we're going to be really prime for this first test 0:25:04.627 --> 0:25:09.187 just seeing how those box at we went against Argentina. Yeah, 0:25:09.707 --> 0:25:11.027 are acsonally are going to be looking good? 0:25:11.507 --> 0:25:13.467 Todd Man, George, good to chat mate. Enjoy the rest 0:25:13.467 --> 0:25:16.427 of your weekend, will no doubt discuss this test series 0:25:16.427 --> 0:25:18.147 as it plays out. Good to hear from you. Oh, 0:25:18.187 --> 0:25:20.227 eight hundred and eighty ten eighties and number as always 0:25:20.267 --> 0:25:22.947 twenty five to one. Carter can play center as well. 0:25:23.027 --> 0:25:25.187 You see, the Leroy Carter thing is very interesting to me. 0:25:25.307 --> 0:25:27.547 He can play wing, he can play center, apparently he 0:25:27.587 --> 0:25:30.867 can play halfback. Just because he can doesn't mean that 0:25:30.947 --> 0:25:34.827 he is ready to in a massive test series like this. 0:25:35.547 --> 0:25:37.507 He may well be, and I'm sure he thinks he 0:25:37.667 --> 0:25:40.227 is because he's a confident guy, and every All Black 0:25:40.267 --> 0:25:43.947 and in the squad will believe they can fill any 0:25:44.067 --> 0:25:47.267 role that is given to them. The six two is interesting, 0:25:47.267 --> 0:25:51.467 and like I said, I my views on hookers and 0:25:51.507 --> 0:25:54.587 halfback so that it's almost like a compulsory switch. You 0:25:54.627 --> 0:25:57.467 don't have to make these changes. I mean, hooker may 0:25:57.467 --> 0:26:01.347 be a bigger workload in terms of the robust nature 0:26:01.387 --> 0:26:04.307 of the role. But there are many times I've watch 0:26:04.347 --> 0:26:06.707 camroy Guard play and he's not the only one. Aaron 0:26:06.747 --> 0:26:09.467 Smith was the same. Many times I've watched the All 0:26:09.467 --> 0:26:12.187 Blacks play. I've watched Cam roy Guard play for the Hurricanes, 0:26:12.227 --> 0:26:13.947 Aeron Smith for the Highlanders, and I thought they could 0:26:13.947 --> 0:26:15.827 go eighty minutes. Why take them off if it's a 0:26:15.867 --> 0:26:19.627 tight game and they're playing well. There is a need 0:26:19.827 --> 0:26:22.347 to have a reserve halfback in case of injury. I 0:26:22.387 --> 0:26:26.547 totally understand that, of course there is. It's a really 0:26:26.827 --> 0:26:31.547 interesting little dynamic and Dave Rennie seems more than happy 0:26:31.747 --> 0:26:37.267 to keep camroy Guard on for the vast majority of 0:26:37.307 --> 0:26:39.627 the game. And I'm talking into the seventies in terms 0:26:39.627 --> 0:26:42.707 of minutes. Often it's almost like you know in Super 0:26:42.787 --> 0:26:45.467 Rugby or or previously in the All Blacks, there's been this, 0:26:46.347 --> 0:26:48.627 you know, the sixty seven minute mark arrives or whatever 0:26:48.667 --> 0:26:50.787 it is, sixty three minutes whatever, and they make the 0:26:50.867 --> 0:26:53.867 change because I know they can seal all the GPS numbers. 0:26:54.067 --> 0:26:55.947 I know all that, and it's based on more than 0:26:56.027 --> 0:26:59.387 just feel. But maybe sometimes it should be based on feel. 0:26:59.627 --> 0:27:02.467 What are your eyes telling you, Dave RENI feels like 0:27:02.467 --> 0:27:05.987 an eyes up coach to me, not a laptop coach. Yes, 0:27:06.387 --> 0:27:08.667 take a look at the data in game, but what 0:27:08.787 --> 0:27:11.147 is he feeling out there? What's he seeing from a 0:27:11.187 --> 0:27:17.827 guy like cam roy Guard. Glenn high Night, Barney, how 0:27:17.867 --> 0:27:18.587 are you yeah? 0:27:18.587 --> 0:27:18.747 Good? 0:27:18.787 --> 0:27:19.027 Glenn? 0:27:19.067 --> 0:27:20.467 Thanks good? 0:27:21.267 --> 0:27:23.587 No? No, no, no to the six to two. No, 0:27:23.667 --> 0:27:25.227 it's looking the game we're trying to play. We're trying 0:27:25.227 --> 0:27:27.627 to go around them. Six two is downe one year. 0:27:27.707 --> 0:27:31.427 I'm sorry, that's it's just picked three bags because it 0:27:31.547 --> 0:27:34.267 makes our point of difference. We need to hold them 0:27:34.267 --> 0:27:35.827 in the forwards, makes him in the falls, but will 0:27:35.827 --> 0:27:38.347 beat them in the beaks. So because yeah, I'm afraid 0:27:38.427 --> 0:27:40.347 I'm can would agree with the six teas, but I 0:27:40.347 --> 0:27:42.907 think it's a I don't think it's the rocking se. 0:27:43.547 --> 0:27:45.147 So the list has asked me this morning, who are 0:27:45.227 --> 0:27:47.307 these guys playing today? He could play in the tests, 0:27:47.307 --> 0:27:49.827 and I thought by he probably about probably five or 0:27:49.867 --> 0:27:52.507 six who are looking at it, who are looking, you know, 0:27:52.587 --> 0:27:57.827 to keep maybe next weekend interesting to chat about Riko Yoani. 0:27:58.987 --> 0:28:02.547 I think if he's confident, he needs heapyat I think 0:28:02.587 --> 0:28:06.147 he's a really good player that has attitude, you know, 0:28:06.867 --> 0:28:08.547 I'm not talking about on a tech. On a tech 0:28:08.627 --> 0:28:11.587 he's a he's a genius, but sometimes gratitude on defense 0:28:11.667 --> 0:28:14.267 and he's not feeling we can really out for it. 0:28:14.267 --> 0:28:17.107 And I don't think he possibly does in the Dutch 0:28:18.347 --> 0:28:22.707 like some other people do. But yeah, it's still a 0:28:22.787 --> 0:28:25.267 very very good player. Both both when could easily start, 0:28:25.907 --> 0:28:28.067 there's quite a few of that. Obviously, Cody's Taylor will 0:28:28.067 --> 0:28:32.307 start Holland I just don't quite think he's really just 0:28:32.387 --> 0:28:36.507 started his match at Elis Park against South Africa. Like 0:28:36.707 --> 0:28:38.907 I know, I know he went eighty and he did 0:28:38.987 --> 0:28:41.067 well his handsley and down a couple of times. He's 0:28:41.067 --> 0:28:44.107 a very very good player. I think he just needs 0:28:44.147 --> 0:28:48.347 another week of contact training under his belt before he comes. 0:28:48.547 --> 0:28:51.907 And I don't definitely don't think he's started. But yeah, 0:28:52.147 --> 0:28:54.947 I realize the way we're playing, it's really exciting. It 0:28:55.027 --> 0:28:58.867 reminds me all of of the Callen era in the 0:28:59.067 --> 0:29:01.587 early Card and McCall era. You know, when we were 0:29:01.587 --> 0:29:04.427 going around teams and we have a god beating all 0:29:04.427 --> 0:29:07.507 we put fifty on them and you know as well 0:29:07.547 --> 0:29:10.307 as you've watched unties rock and so I sometimes we 0:29:10.347 --> 0:29:15.507 can't get a bit for a music. So I'm just 0:29:15.627 --> 0:29:18.747 I'm just hope. I'm really interested for this. I'm a 0:29:18.787 --> 0:29:21.707 lot more confident now than I was before the tour started. 0:29:22.907 --> 0:29:27.267 I feel, Yeah, I feel the same way I do too. Yeah, 0:29:27.627 --> 0:29:29.507 I was, I was. I think I felt I felt 0:29:29.547 --> 0:29:33.027 positive going over there having watched them play in July. 0:29:33.387 --> 0:29:35.107 But yeah, I think these three games all be it 0:29:35.187 --> 0:29:37.747 against much lesser opposition than they'll face an extend again. 0:29:38.587 --> 0:29:40.387 But that the intent. I think you're right. I think 0:29:40.387 --> 0:29:42.627 what we're seeing the feel of the team. I think 0:29:42.747 --> 0:29:46.467 is something that engenders optimism among Wall Black All Blacks fans. 0:29:47.187 --> 0:29:49.667 And I really like the fact that we're not using 0:29:49.707 --> 0:29:52.627 the three men poard, you know, the three topeboards standing 0:29:52.627 --> 0:29:55.547 in the pod, because that was absolutely cutting into in 0:29:55.547 --> 0:29:58.267 twenty fourteen. And I think some play I think some 0:29:58.347 --> 0:30:01.067 teams have worked out. So yeah, quite quite glad to 0:30:01.067 --> 0:30:01.787 see the back of that. 0:30:01.867 --> 0:30:05.107 So I guess we'll g. 0:30:07.307 --> 0:30:07.507 Wait. 0:30:07.547 --> 0:30:10.467 Will Glenn good on your mate, think drive safe? Good 0:30:10.507 --> 0:30:12.867 to Jetty you made always love jetting rugby with you 0:30:12.907 --> 0:30:15.547 and other sport too. Paul says Irick and Segna must 0:30:15.547 --> 0:30:17.347 have played his way into the twenty three this morning. 0:30:17.667 --> 0:30:20.707 I'd have her man like I know, Locke, Presston, Yrwani 0:30:20.947 --> 0:30:25.427 and either Morby or fair Hair on the bench. Thanks Paul. Yeah, 0:30:24.707 --> 0:30:28.867 there's options in a couple of positions. I think they'd 0:30:28.907 --> 0:30:32.187 love to have Holland there because he's such a big body, 0:30:32.667 --> 0:30:35.827 isn't he He's massive, a big hunk of a man 0:30:36.627 --> 0:30:40.427 as it were. They'd love to have him and his physicality, 0:30:40.507 --> 0:30:42.387 and we'll keep he played eighty minutes this morning thing. 0:30:42.427 --> 0:30:44.667 I think he played the hol lady so clearly he's 0:30:44.747 --> 0:30:48.387 up to eighty minutes. What will they do next week 0:30:49.387 --> 0:30:52.707 if they do play vity at six, and they will 0:30:53.227 --> 0:30:55.747 otherwise he would have played today, So tupul Viti will 0:30:55.787 --> 0:30:59.787 start at six next week. Then they don't necessarily have 0:30:59.867 --> 0:31:03.067 to have a lock on the bench because they can 0:31:03.187 --> 0:31:05.467 move him in game. If they want to bring one 0:31:05.467 --> 0:31:11.347 of their locks off, they may go with Holland they 0:31:11.387 --> 0:31:13.947 may well say, you know what, we've seen enough. We've 0:31:13.947 --> 0:31:16.707 got a good body of work from last year. We've 0:31:16.747 --> 0:31:19.827 seen him twice now on the tour. I think he's 0:31:19.867 --> 0:31:22.907 played two games. I'm just gonna absolutely check that. Yes, 0:31:22.947 --> 0:31:27.387 he's started two games, the Stormers and the Bulls. They 0:31:27.427 --> 0:31:30.147 may well have seen enough to be convinced that he 0:31:30.227 --> 0:31:33.147 is good to go. I think on any given day 0:31:34.187 --> 0:31:37.667 he is one of your first choice locks. So maybe 0:31:37.667 --> 0:31:40.827 you just get him in there. Grant. Turn that radio down, mate, 0:31:40.827 --> 0:31:43.507 because we're in delay on your radios. So turn that 0:31:43.587 --> 0:31:46.187 down and then will and you and I can chat 0:31:46.627 --> 0:31:49.587 much more, much more logically without that sound in the background. 0:31:49.587 --> 0:31:50.347 Good boy, how are you? 0:31:52.907 --> 0:31:53.827 You said, good morning? 0:31:53.867 --> 0:31:56.227 Pony No, I said, good afternoon. I don't think we're 0:31:56.227 --> 0:31:56.867 that far de late. 0:31:59.467 --> 0:32:03.707 I have to get a new phone. I think the 0:32:03.987 --> 0:32:09.187 South Africans have made some bad strategic and tactical errors 0:32:10.227 --> 0:32:12.747 because of the time of year that they're playing. Obviously 0:32:12.787 --> 0:32:17.347 they have no choice about playing this time of year, 0:32:17.467 --> 0:32:20.347 but the fact that they're playing in the Northern Hemisphere now, 0:32:20.667 --> 0:32:25.867 which means this season doesn't start till September. So if 0:32:25.907 --> 0:32:28.787 I was South Africa, I would have at least two, 0:32:28.947 --> 0:32:32.707 if not three, warm up test matches. I mean, we 0:32:32.867 --> 0:32:35.947 saw against Stargeant Tina. You know they want the All 0:32:35.987 --> 0:32:38.667 Blacks in the first Test of the year, bumbling and 0:32:38.827 --> 0:32:42.227 things like that. So to my mind, the All Blacks 0:32:42.387 --> 0:32:46.907 best chance of a win is that first Test. If 0:32:46.947 --> 0:32:50.187 you win that first Test, then the other team has 0:32:50.227 --> 0:32:52.827 to win three tests out of three to win the 0:32:52.867 --> 0:32:56.787 series until eternally if we lose, same sort of thing, 0:32:57.507 --> 0:33:00.067 I think actually, if I was a betting man, which 0:33:00.107 --> 0:33:01.747 I'm not, but if I was a betting man, I 0:33:01.787 --> 0:33:04.427 think the option may be to test all. 0:33:06.467 --> 0:33:10.467 Yeah, and if you've been listening, and I know you're 0:33:10.467 --> 0:33:11.947 a big z B list and we've talked a bit 0:33:11.987 --> 0:33:14.147 about what would be happy with, and I've said I'd 0:33:14.187 --> 0:33:15.707 be happy with two two. But the more I think 0:33:15.747 --> 0:33:16.867 about it the more I think, you know what, I 0:33:16.907 --> 0:33:19.587 want us to win every test we play. And look, 0:33:19.867 --> 0:33:21.707 I think we'll find out a week from now just 0:33:21.747 --> 0:33:24.787 how big the gap is. I think Dave Rennie said 0:33:24.787 --> 0:33:27.187 after the game today, said, I it'll be four or 0:33:27.227 --> 0:33:29.947 five fold, you know, call it whatever you like. It's 0:33:29.947 --> 0:33:32.227 going to be a massive step up from the storm 0:33:32.227 --> 0:33:34.907 as the Sharks and the Balls. I mean. South Africa 0:33:34.987 --> 0:33:38.067 did have their Nations Championship games in July, grant you know, 0:33:38.107 --> 0:33:41.627 they played England, Scotland and Wales and had you know, 0:33:41.707 --> 0:33:43.507 put forty on all of them. Yeah, I think last 0:33:43.547 --> 0:33:45.867 week against Argentina, when was that last Yeah, that was 0:33:45.947 --> 0:33:47.747 last week they were You're right, they were a little 0:33:47.787 --> 0:33:50.507 bit off their game. I would not be at all 0:33:50.547 --> 0:33:54.467 surprised if they bang on their game next Saturday, but 0:33:54.507 --> 0:33:55.387 I guess we'll find out. 0:33:56.387 --> 0:33:58.547 Yeah, I think it was the fact that they had 0:33:58.587 --> 0:34:02.707 that gap between the Nations all these different names they 0:34:02.707 --> 0:34:05.947 call them the Nations Cup, and then the game against 0:34:06.907 --> 0:34:09.547 is Argentina that. 0:34:11.027 --> 0:34:11.307 I mean. 0:34:11.347 --> 0:34:15.307 I'm certainly pleased with the style of rugby that the 0:34:15.387 --> 0:34:18.787 All Blacks are playing and they're getting the balance right. 0:34:19.067 --> 0:34:22.147 As many at the start said, well maybe we're running 0:34:22.147 --> 0:34:24.907 the ball a bit too much. Sometimes we have to 0:34:24.907 --> 0:34:27.867 take it in and control it, which is that they're 0:34:27.907 --> 0:34:30.627 getting the getting better and I think one of the 0:34:31.947 --> 0:34:35.147 and it's good to have a choice of good players 0:34:35.187 --> 0:34:39.827 like to Pire and Rico as center. You know, it's 0:34:39.867 --> 0:34:42.627 almost well, we've got two really good players, who do 0:34:42.627 --> 0:34:43.587 we start a center? 0:34:44.467 --> 0:34:46.227 Yeah? And you're right right. I mean, you got to 0:34:46.227 --> 0:34:47.787 earn the right, don't you. They often say I got 0:34:47.787 --> 0:34:50.107 to earn the right to be expensive and to play 0:34:50.147 --> 0:34:52.547 that way. And you earn your right by, you know, 0:34:52.627 --> 0:34:55.827 by doing the tough work, the grunt work up front. 0:34:55.867 --> 0:34:58.627 I guess you'd say establishing the platform, I think is 0:34:58.667 --> 0:35:00.387 one of the trendy ways of saying it. God only 0:35:00.427 --> 0:35:02.587 grunt black He says, get Piney, gets your head away 0:35:02.587 --> 0:35:07.147 from the soccer field, talking about the bench. Sam Dowry 0:35:07.227 --> 0:35:10.867 has to be there somewhere, thanks Blackie. They may not 0:35:11.267 --> 0:35:14.827 carry lock cover. They don't have to. They may not 0:35:14.907 --> 0:35:17.507 carry lock cover. What test. They haven't gone six to 0:35:17.587 --> 0:35:20.027 two this year? Have they? I'm just gonna absolutely check that. No, 0:35:20.147 --> 0:35:23.907 they've gone five to three every single time. As George 0:35:23.907 --> 0:35:26.307 said earlier, I think they had they been thinking about 0:35:26.347 --> 0:35:28.107 six two. You thought they might have given it a 0:35:28.147 --> 0:35:30.987 crack at some stage. But they've gone five to three 0:35:31.027 --> 0:35:35.907 bench in the entire Dave Renny era, and they may 0:35:35.947 --> 0:35:37.587 well go five to three again. But that doesn't mean 0:35:37.587 --> 0:35:39.987 they have to have a lock. I mean, I look 0:35:40.067 --> 0:35:42.667 back to the game against the Sharks, they didn't have 0:35:42.707 --> 0:35:48.667 a lock on the bench Blackadder and Lure. Even in 0:35:48.707 --> 0:35:51.667 the Test against Ireland, they didn't have a lock on 0:35:51.707 --> 0:35:57.507 the bench. Segna and Larkeye where there were the two reserves, 0:35:57.667 --> 0:36:00.387 they didn't have a lock that VI played six Lord 0:36:00.427 --> 0:36:02.827 and two or two started the game and I think 0:36:03.027 --> 0:36:05.307 Paddy Troops came off and top or I went to 0:36:05.387 --> 0:36:11.187 lock and yeah. So there's absolutely no cast iron guarantee 0:36:11.267 --> 0:36:14.707 that they'll take a lock on the bench. Twelve forty 0:36:14.747 --> 0:36:16.627 five Stew, I'm with you after this, Oh eight hundred 0:36:16.627 --> 0:36:18.707 and eighty ten eighty talking all backs till one, then 0:36:18.747 --> 0:36:21.267 the wars after one, but Rugby until the news at 0:36:21.267 --> 0:36:22.307 one o'clock back in a second. 0:36:22.667 --> 0:36:26.267 The scoreboard only tells half the story. Piney tells the rest. 0:36:26.507 --> 0:36:30.227 Weekend Sport with Jason Vine and the outi Q seven 0:36:30.307 --> 0:36:34.467 Dynamic Black Runout Edition Test Drive Today News Talks eNB. 0:36:34.787 --> 0:36:37.947 Coming up eleven to one on text, please explain six two. Yes, sorry, 0:36:37.987 --> 0:36:39.987 I shouldn't have assumed that knowledge. Six two you get 0:36:39.987 --> 0:36:43.307 eight reserves. Obviously eight reserves. Six to two is when 0:36:43.307 --> 0:36:46.667 you go six forwards two backs. The the I guess 0:36:46.707 --> 0:36:50.067 conventional method is five forwards and three backs. Six two 0:36:50.187 --> 0:36:54.027 is when you load up with an extra forward reserve 0:36:54.347 --> 0:36:56.947 on the bench. Thanks for the question, stew Hi. 0:36:56.987 --> 0:37:02.947 Mate, Yeah, biney, I would have thought of the siding 0:37:03.027 --> 0:37:06.507 factor reis altitude. If we're gonna like the other I 0:37:06.627 --> 0:37:08.147 was saying to hold them in the forwards and run 0:37:08.227 --> 0:37:11.787 around them in the backs. At altitude we run out 0:37:11.827 --> 0:37:14.227 of puss and they put on six new forwards or seven, 0:37:14.587 --> 0:37:17.267 meaning now they're run we're not going to hold them 0:37:17.307 --> 0:37:19.707 anywhere in the falls. So I would have thought six 0:37:19.827 --> 0:37:22.827 two was a no brainer for playing in the spring box. 0:37:22.907 --> 0:37:26.027 At altitude, we've got every position covered. In the backs, 0:37:26.107 --> 0:37:31.427 we've got that many well, such diversity in the back. 0:37:31.747 --> 0:37:34.787 In the in the in the backs first five second, 0:37:34.827 --> 0:37:38.587 five per cent queens and four back, we've got multiple players. 0:37:38.667 --> 0:37:42.587 It can switch and be the best or at the 0:37:42.667 --> 0:37:49.027 top level only half back. As you say, it's cover injury. Yeah, 0:37:49.027 --> 0:37:50.627 I would have thought it was a no brainer. 0:37:51.307 --> 0:37:54.947 Yeah, I guess that the counterpoints to reason yeah, no, 0:37:55.227 --> 0:37:58.667 And it's a good point. You're right. And South Africa, 0:37:58.867 --> 0:38:01.147 you know, we know they've gone seven to one, haven't 0:38:01.147 --> 0:38:03.627 they in the past? Oh they'll I don't know, they 0:38:03.707 --> 0:38:05.987 probably go six two, I would say, But that the 0:38:06.067 --> 0:38:08.387 counter point to that is, Okay, if you want to 0:38:08.467 --> 0:38:10.907 run them around, say in the last twenty minutes of 0:38:10.947 --> 0:38:14.547 a game, wouldn't you want fresh back line legs on 0:38:14.667 --> 0:38:16.867 the bench. I guess that's the counterpoint to what you're saying. 0:38:16.947 --> 0:38:19.867 I don't think there's a right or wrong answer, but yeah, 0:38:20.107 --> 0:38:22.907 they're going to I mean, they were the creators of 0:38:22.907 --> 0:38:26.307 the bomb squad, weren't they, the four or five forwards 0:38:26.347 --> 0:38:28.947 coming on at the same time sometime early in the 0:38:28.987 --> 0:38:29.507 second half. 0:38:31.747 --> 0:38:35.747 The other thing, too, I think is that we can't 0:38:35.787 --> 0:38:38.987 dwell in the past. But a few years ago we 0:38:39.107 --> 0:38:41.467 were able to adapt our game at the drop of 0:38:41.507 --> 0:38:44.027 the hat, that we could make decisions and change our 0:38:44.067 --> 0:38:46.307 game plan, and then we got into a situation where 0:38:46.347 --> 0:38:48.947 we couldn't do that. We had a format, we went 0:38:49.027 --> 0:38:51.187 on the field, we stuck with it. We just couldn't 0:38:51.227 --> 0:38:54.747 adapt and I think Dave Renie is bringing that that 0:38:55.147 --> 0:38:56.467 that back into the game. 0:38:56.587 --> 0:38:57.347 So if we've got to. 0:38:57.427 --> 0:39:02.907 Change our attack, our our plan at altitude, then we 0:39:03.027 --> 0:39:05.827 will and then he'll he'll, you know, I mean that's 0:39:05.867 --> 0:39:09.747 why we're We could put Party Saber on the bloody 0:39:09.787 --> 0:39:11.307 wing if we had to, if we ran out. 0:39:12.307 --> 0:39:16.987 Yeah, you're right, You're right, you can play. And you're 0:39:17.027 --> 0:39:20.347 so right about the versatility in the back stew You 0:39:20.427 --> 0:39:23.267 look at you know, the players who are likely to start, 0:39:24.227 --> 0:39:27.067 you know, in the test next week. Ruben Love can 0:39:27.147 --> 0:39:29.147 play you know, ten or fifteen, or on the wing 0:39:29.227 --> 0:39:31.547 if you need him to. Jordi Barrett can play pretty 0:39:31.627 --> 0:39:35.427 much anywhere, to Pie can play both midfield positions, Jordan McKenzie. 0:39:35.427 --> 0:39:37.547 They're all capable of playing a number of positions. Even 0:39:37.827 --> 0:39:40.747 Josh Morby can play both wings or fullback. So yeah, 0:39:40.747 --> 0:39:42.907 and I mean your points stands up really well. And 0:39:43.147 --> 0:39:46.147 so and you've had backing here on text as well, mate, 0:39:46.187 --> 0:39:48.827 saying I'm all for starting via at six, but we 0:39:48.907 --> 0:39:52.627 won't stay physical with the box for eighty if if 0:39:52.947 --> 0:39:55.307 our Locks are finishing the game having played eighty minutes, 0:39:55.347 --> 0:39:57.347 we need a big body on the bench. So you've 0:39:57.387 --> 0:39:59.507 got a you're a fan out there of your strategy. 0:39:59.587 --> 0:40:05.427 Stew thanks bidding good on your vate drive drive Savor 0:40:05.547 --> 0:40:08.187 and look at you. It's they They may you know, 0:40:08.907 --> 0:40:11.787 they may well go six to two, or they'll go 0:40:11.907 --> 0:40:14.107 five to three and they'll have a lock and one 0:40:14.227 --> 0:40:17.747 lose Forward. Larkeye and Signa have both been excellent on 0:40:17.787 --> 0:40:22.667 this tour. Both have really really presented a good case 0:40:23.347 --> 0:40:26.547 for inclusion. Probably not on the starting side because they're 0:40:26.587 --> 0:40:32.187 pretty settled with Vai, Jacobson and Savia, but Peter Lakeye 0:40:32.227 --> 0:40:34.187 and Anton Segna I don't think could have done anything 0:40:34.267 --> 0:40:37.507 more to turn Dave Renie's head. One of them will 0:40:37.507 --> 0:40:40.307 be on the bench, maybe both will seven away from one. 0:40:40.347 --> 0:40:44.827 New Stalk said be analyzing the plays and getting the inside. 0:40:45.147 --> 0:40:49.507 Weekend Sport with Jason Vine. Newstalk SAB four to one. 0:40:49.587 --> 0:40:51.427 Nigel says Plinty a blow out this morning sets us 0:40:51.467 --> 0:40:53.107 up well for the test next weekend. I think we're 0:40:53.107 --> 0:40:55.507 in a position where, in many positions it's hard to 0:40:55.547 --> 0:40:58.867 pick the starters. Great to see zaving Amir where he belongs. Finally, 0:40:58.907 --> 0:41:00.427 I would have liked to have seen more of big 0:41:00.587 --> 0:41:04.867 gym to Mothy Tavatavanawa. Nigel concludes by saying it looks 0:41:04.947 --> 0:41:07.267 like perhaps they're giving Anton len Brand more game time 0:41:07.547 --> 0:41:09.467 to set them up for a Benroth. Thanks Nigel, thank 0:41:09.507 --> 0:41:13.347 you for all your texts. They come flooding in after 0:41:13.387 --> 0:41:15.587 an All Blacks test and we love reading them all. 0:41:16.067 --> 0:41:17.467 We can't get them all on the air, just as 0:41:17.507 --> 0:41:19.027 we can't get all the callers on the air. Here 0:41:19.067 --> 0:41:21.987 we are at the one o'clock News, but it is 0:41:22.067 --> 0:41:25.187 going to be massive next week at Alice Park three 0:41:25.267 --> 0:41:28.027 o'clock next Sunday morning, All Blacks vist South Africa Test 0:41:28.107 --> 0:41:30.267 one News next at one and then we'll break down 0:41:30.547 --> 0:41:31.587 the Warriors. 0:41:32.587 --> 0:41:35.787 The only place to discuss the biggest sports issues on 0:41:36.147 --> 0:41:38.467 on head off the field. 0:41:38.707 --> 0:41:39.707 We've got a score enough. 0:41:39.947 --> 0:41:43.267 It's all on Weekend Sport with Jason and the udi 0:41:43.387 --> 0:41:47.387 Q seven Dynamic Black Runout Edition left on Youth Talk ZMB, 0:41:47.707 --> 0:41:49.107 your home of Sport. 0:41:49.227 --> 0:41:51.787 One oh seven. Welcome and I'm Jason Pine. Andy McDonald 0:41:51.907 --> 0:41:55.227 is running the show. We're here till three Warriors shortly. 0:41:55.307 --> 0:41:58.267 Just want to update you on some live sport. Darwin 0:41:59.067 --> 0:42:04.747 Is where they're playing Test cricket Australia Bangladesh Australia one 0:42:04.907 --> 0:42:07.907 eighty three for five in their second innings. They still 0:42:08.027 --> 0:42:12.587 trail by forty five runs. Only five second innings wickets 0:42:12.627 --> 0:42:17.747 in hands. This is only day four. Who's in? Bow 0:42:17.787 --> 0:42:20.587 Webster and Cameron Green are in, so Steve Smith is out. 0:42:21.387 --> 0:42:24.787 He was not the lone hand in the first innings 0:42:24.827 --> 0:42:28.787 but certainly the major stumbling block for Bangladesh. He's out 0:42:29.107 --> 0:42:32.267 for forty four. Cameron Green there on fifty four. Bow 0:42:32.307 --> 0:42:35.387 Webster's just come in because Alex Carey was the latest 0:42:35.427 --> 0:42:38.547 to be dismissed. One eighty three for five Australia in 0:42:38.587 --> 0:42:44.787 their second innings man history in the offing. Bangladesh have 0:42:44.907 --> 0:42:49.187 never beaten Australia in a Test match in Australia. Piney, 0:42:49.227 --> 0:42:52.387 can we have an update on Luke Metcalf, please, asks Clint. 0:42:53.587 --> 0:42:57.387 I don't have the latest, Clint. After the game, Andrew 0:42:57.427 --> 0:42:59.827 Webster said that it was a hamstring. Obviously, I think 0:42:59.867 --> 0:43:02.027 we all knew that he wasn't sure how long he 0:43:02.027 --> 0:43:04.507 would be out for Hamstrings are so funny, aren't they 0:43:04.867 --> 0:43:07.267 Funny's the wrong word, but there that they could be 0:43:07.347 --> 0:43:09.987 a two or three week proposition at best, or if 0:43:10.027 --> 0:43:12.507 you've torn it you're out. That'll be it. He won't 0:43:12.507 --> 0:43:15.267 be back. It'll be a two month proposition or whatever 0:43:15.307 --> 0:43:18.067 it might be. We don't have the latest Clint, but 0:43:18.227 --> 0:43:19.907 as soon as we do we will let you know. 0:43:20.347 --> 0:43:22.547 I want to talk abouit about the Warriors and Luke 0:43:22.587 --> 0:43:25.187 Metcalf obviously shortly Kevin Campion standing by for a chap 0:43:25.467 --> 0:43:29.507 just as we continue our live Sport Chatham Cup Semi 0:43:29.587 --> 0:43:32.787 Final number two being played in christ Church at Garrick 0:43:32.907 --> 0:43:35.547 Memorial Park, home of Kashmere Tech, who are two one 0:43:35.627 --> 0:43:39.027 up over Napier City Rovers early in the second half. 0:43:39.147 --> 0:43:42.547 The winner will play Fencibles Fencibles United. I don't think 0:43:42.547 --> 0:43:44.347 they've ever been in the Chatham Cup Final. They are now. 0:43:44.387 --> 0:43:47.107 They beat Nelson Saburbs three nil yesterday to earn their place. 0:43:48.467 --> 0:43:50.627 We'll keep eyes on the second semi four year as well. 0:43:50.667 --> 0:43:52.867 Cash Tech two went ahead of Napier City Rovers early 0:43:53.067 --> 0:43:56.947 in the second half. This is weekend Sport on News Talks. 0:43:56.947 --> 0:43:59.747 He'd be for the second time and two visits to 0:43:59.907 --> 0:44:03.027 sun Corpse Stadium this season. The Warriors have put forty 0:44:03.427 --> 0:44:04.907 on the Broncos tonight. 0:44:05.547 --> 0:44:10.107 It's about those Warriors who just keep rolling on and 0:44:10.267 --> 0:44:14.987 grinding out wins with a ruthlessness, a professionalism, a bit 0:44:15.067 --> 0:44:21.027 of an aura. Forty to six a crushing win, and 0:44:21.187 --> 0:44:22.547 it's a Warriors crowd now. 0:44:22.627 --> 0:44:24.307 The broncost fans are long gone. 0:44:26.027 --> 0:44:27.467 We got something special happening. 0:44:27.667 --> 0:44:27.867 We do. 0:44:27.987 --> 0:44:31.547 Indeed, forty points to six, seven tries to one, it 0:44:31.667 --> 0:44:35.227 moves the Warriors level on points with the second place Panthers. 0:44:35.587 --> 0:44:39.627 Three regular season matches to play. Warriors icon Kevin Campion 0:44:39.787 --> 0:44:42.587 was there last night and watch Donnie joins us now 0:44:42.667 --> 0:44:44.827 givin thanks for joining us. How impressed were you with 0:44:44.907 --> 0:44:46.587 that performance from the Warriors last night? 0:44:47.867 --> 0:44:48.467 Yeah, look good. 0:44:48.707 --> 0:44:51.227 It was a great win by the boys. Just a 0:44:51.627 --> 0:44:56.587 very confident win. Yeah, look I predicted we'd win by fifty, 0:44:56.667 --> 0:44:58.667 but forty will do well. 0:44:58.747 --> 0:45:03.147 The confidence, the confidence is magnificent. What was it specifically 0:45:03.307 --> 0:45:05.227 that you really liked last night? 0:45:06.507 --> 0:45:09.067 Look, I just love the control that our forward back 0:45:10.867 --> 0:45:14.147 is is demanding at the moment. You know, they're they're 0:45:14.227 --> 0:45:19.067 just well balanced. Wade Eggan is, you know, doing some 0:45:19.187 --> 0:45:22.187 great work out of dummy half. I think our our forward, 0:45:22.547 --> 0:45:26.467 our forward leaders Btjie Barnett and Fish just been outstanding 0:45:26.507 --> 0:45:29.707 all year. And yeah, look yeah, it's just a well 0:45:29.747 --> 0:45:34.387 balanced forward back. And look at our defense in the 0:45:34.507 --> 0:45:37.227 last couple of weeks has just been outstanding as well. 0:45:37.347 --> 0:45:40.667 So look, I think, you know, we're setting ourselves up 0:45:40.787 --> 0:45:44.667 for a great final series. And unfortunately, you know, we 0:45:44.747 --> 0:45:47.107 had a few injuries last night, but look, I think 0:45:47.147 --> 0:45:48.627 we could cover those positions. 0:45:48.787 --> 0:45:50.387 Yeah, I'll get to the injuries in the moment, but 0:45:50.427 --> 0:45:53.667 I've written down here forward pack enormous, and you've just 0:45:53.747 --> 0:45:57.187 alluded to that. Is this a group of men good 0:45:57.307 --> 0:45:59.627 enough to take this team deep, deep into the finals? 0:46:01.387 --> 0:46:01.587 Oh? 0:46:01.747 --> 0:46:04.947 Look, yeah, I think we'll We'll go well into the finals. 0:46:05.027 --> 0:46:05.147 You know. 0:46:05.547 --> 0:46:07.467 The hardest thing is aiming that Grand Violet. If we 0:46:07.587 --> 0:46:11.107 get there, I think we'll win it. I just I 0:46:11.267 --> 0:46:14.547 just know, you know that looking back at the forward 0:46:14.627 --> 0:46:16.707 pack that we had when we made two thousand and 0:46:16.747 --> 0:46:19.307 two Grand Violent, you know it, it was a really 0:46:19.347 --> 0:46:24.187 dominant forward pack. And and I just liken this side, 0:46:24.467 --> 0:46:26.907 you know, the twenty twenty six side to that two 0:46:26.947 --> 0:46:29.987 thousand and two side, you know, just very dominant and 0:46:30.147 --> 0:46:33.427 playing very patient football, very calm. You know, no one, 0:46:33.987 --> 0:46:36.387 no one, everyone knows that job on the field, and 0:46:36.587 --> 0:46:38.147 you know, I think that's why we're winning games. 0:46:38.627 --> 0:46:40.827 How much confidence do you think we should take from 0:46:40.867 --> 0:46:44.067 the fact that now in consecutive weeks the Warriors of 0:46:44.107 --> 0:46:47.107 beating pen Russ and albeit Brisbn haven't had a great season, 0:46:47.147 --> 0:46:50.107 but my other reigning champions, how much confidence that have 0:46:50.227 --> 0:46:52.787 beat Moost two teams in consecutive weeks so convincingly. 0:46:54.147 --> 0:46:54.347 Yeah. 0:46:54.547 --> 0:46:56.747 I was really happy that, you know, the boys got 0:46:56.787 --> 0:46:59.147 over the the Pathers. I think, you know, they've been 0:46:59.427 --> 0:47:01.827 a bit of a bogy side for us, and it 0:47:01.947 --> 0:47:05.267 was just great to see them grow in confidence win, 0:47:05.467 --> 0:47:07.427 you know, winning the game against the Banders. You know, 0:47:07.507 --> 0:47:10.907 they're the benchmark of the competition. You know, I would 0:47:11.507 --> 0:47:14.667 I don't really worried about the Broncoze. You know, they've 0:47:14.667 --> 0:47:18.787 had a really off season. Yeah, Grand finalist Premiers last 0:47:18.867 --> 0:47:21.627 year and you know nearly Wooden Spoon Asia. 0:47:22.387 --> 0:47:22.587 Yeah. 0:47:22.667 --> 0:47:25.747 Look, I just I'm just really happy that they got 0:47:25.827 --> 0:47:29.347 over over you know, that baby team, the Panthers a 0:47:29.387 --> 0:47:31.747 couple of weeks ago. I think I think that was 0:47:32.307 --> 0:47:35.227 just made us all feel, you know, we can we could, 0:47:35.267 --> 0:47:36.627 actually we can win this. 0:47:37.787 --> 0:47:40.707 The look Metcalfe enjoy a cruel moment, Hey don't. He 0:47:40.827 --> 0:47:43.787 just returned to the starting side, was playing with confidence. 0:47:44.147 --> 0:47:45.507 How big a blow might that be? 0:47:47.627 --> 0:47:49.147 Well, well, I don't know if it's a big blow. 0:47:49.227 --> 0:47:52.547 Look outstanding last week and then you know obviously started 0:47:52.587 --> 0:47:55.387 the game pretty well yesterday. Yeah, just a bit of 0:47:55.427 --> 0:47:59.187 a freakish injury. I don't know what the call when 0:47:59.227 --> 0:48:02.507 you know what the outcome was. Maybe he's Tawney's hamstring again, 0:48:02.547 --> 0:48:05.147 I'm not sure. But look, you know we've we've got 0:48:05.267 --> 0:48:08.067 We've put ourselves in there in a great position with players, 0:48:08.107 --> 0:48:10.547 and we've you know that we've been able to use 0:48:10.707 --> 0:48:13.547 the whole year. And you know, I just think, you know, 0:48:13.867 --> 0:48:17.387 I think where we will just stick, try and through 0:48:17.587 --> 0:48:21.827 and I think, you know, I know Luke, you know 0:48:21.947 --> 0:48:24.067 it is an important part of the team. But you know, 0:48:24.787 --> 0:48:27.787 we've put ourselves in this position without him, so I 0:48:27.907 --> 0:48:28.907 think we're well balanced. 0:48:29.467 --> 0:48:31.267 We've talked a lot of this year about the Warriors 0:48:31.307 --> 0:48:33.627 being a very good team and they are. Are they 0:48:33.707 --> 0:48:35.387 now getting to the point where there were a team 0:48:35.427 --> 0:48:39.627 that other sides will genuinely not want to play in 0:48:39.827 --> 0:48:41.027 the finals matches? 0:48:42.187 --> 0:48:42.427 Yeah? 0:48:42.987 --> 0:48:45.947 You know, you know, we've we've spent ourselves right in 0:48:46.027 --> 0:48:47.907 the top four. You know we're a top four side. 0:48:48.387 --> 0:48:51.627 Possibly you know, came out with the minor premiership. I'm 0:48:51.667 --> 0:48:55.387 not sure, but look, look we've set ourselves up. I 0:48:55.467 --> 0:48:58.827 think the Warriors have been a saying that everyone's you know, 0:48:59.747 --> 0:49:02.787 don't like playing over the years, so particularly this year. 0:49:02.827 --> 0:49:05.267 You know, we're we're just a great, well balanced side. 0:49:05.267 --> 0:49:07.427 As I keep on saying, you know, we're we're playing 0:49:07.467 --> 0:49:12.147 with a lot of confidence and that's great credit to 0:49:13.187 --> 0:49:17.107 you know, the coach and the and the staff. I think, yeah, 0:49:17.587 --> 0:49:18.467 I think we're on our way. 0:49:18.827 --> 0:49:22.187 Are you a believer in momentum? Is that a Is 0:49:22.227 --> 0:49:25.227 that a genuine thing when we get to August September. 0:49:26.707 --> 0:49:29.787 Well, you look at the Broncos last year. You know 0:49:29.867 --> 0:49:33.707 they were well out. I think they're mid range halfway 0:49:33.747 --> 0:49:35.707 through the year and then they got on a role 0:49:35.787 --> 0:49:38.987 and their momentum going into that Grand Pom. Yeah, no 0:49:39.067 --> 0:49:40.547 one could stop them. You know, they were playing with 0:49:40.627 --> 0:49:42.787 so much confidence. Yeah, my menum is a big thing 0:49:43.667 --> 0:49:45.227 and we don't want to lose that. You know, we 0:49:45.347 --> 0:49:47.507 want to finish the year strong. We want to finish 0:49:47.587 --> 0:49:51.747 the year with some really good wins and we can 0:49:51.747 --> 0:49:53.507 do with you know, we've got a couple of good 0:49:53.627 --> 0:49:57.707 sides coming up in the next couple of weeks. You know, 0:49:57.747 --> 0:50:01.067 we've got an old boys day against the Knights in 0:50:01.067 --> 0:50:04.227 the next couple of weeks, so that'll be that'll be exciting, 0:50:04.307 --> 0:50:06.667 and yeah, I think the Boys will be up to that. 0:50:08.587 --> 0:50:10.787 Yeah, I bet, I bet, and a lot of keywis 0:50:10.827 --> 0:50:12.907 in Queensland as we know, Campo. Did it feel like 0:50:12.907 --> 0:50:13.827 a home game last night? 0:50:16.227 --> 0:50:18.907 It was. It was a funny game. You know, we've 0:50:18.947 --> 0:50:24.587 spect stadium, you know before kickoffs, but I reckon half, 0:50:24.627 --> 0:50:27.067 you know, halfway through the second half everyone was leaving. 0:50:27.187 --> 0:50:30.827 So it was great. It was great to say, you know, 0:50:31.107 --> 0:50:33.187 that's what teams for to day. They want to send 0:50:33.227 --> 0:50:35.947 the grid, you know, the home crowd home, you know, 0:50:36.067 --> 0:50:37.227 feeling sorry for themselves. 0:50:37.267 --> 0:50:38.187 And we did that last time. 0:50:38.547 --> 0:50:41.067 Absolutely did. Yeah, I saw those seats emptying out at 0:50:41.067 --> 0:50:43.027 the end. Good on you, Kevin, thanks indeed for joining us. 0:50:43.067 --> 0:50:46.707 Kevin Campion there he lives in Queensland these days. I 0:50:46.827 --> 0:50:49.387 love the ways tool course the Warriors. We played for 0:50:49.467 --> 0:50:51.907 other teams as well, but yeah, his Warriors through and through, 0:50:52.347 --> 0:50:53.867 Kevin Campi and good to have him on the show. 0:50:53.947 --> 0:50:56.987 One sixteen lines open on the Warriors all eight hundred 0:50:56.987 --> 0:50:59.307 and eighty ten eighty Let's kick this around five wins 0:50:59.347 --> 0:51:02.227 in the last six. Last week's statement went over the 0:51:02.307 --> 0:51:04.747 benchmark side in the comp for the last five or 0:51:04.787 --> 0:51:08.787 six years. Last night a very comfortable victory over the 0:51:08.827 --> 0:51:11.507 reigning champions, the Broncos. Incidentally, they'll want this whole thing 0:51:11.587 --> 0:51:13.747 to end. What are they six and fifteen? 0:51:15.627 --> 0:51:15.947 What a. 0:51:17.427 --> 0:51:20.667 One of the worst title defenses in recent memory. For 0:51:20.787 --> 0:51:25.027 the Warriors, though, who wants to play them right now? Nobody? Nobody. 0:51:25.627 --> 0:51:27.947 The aim must be and will be to finish in 0:51:28.027 --> 0:51:31.107 the top two. That gives you all important home advantage 0:51:31.507 --> 0:51:33.867 in week one of the final series. And if you 0:51:33.987 --> 0:51:35.867 win that first game, you get the following week off, 0:51:35.947 --> 0:51:38.227 and then you're one game away from the Grand Final 0:51:38.467 --> 0:51:40.867 and you host the game which can get you there. 0:51:41.627 --> 0:51:43.907 If you finish first or second, you get a huge 0:51:44.027 --> 0:51:47.027 leg up. So the table right now Roosters thirty eight, 0:51:47.587 --> 0:51:51.267 Panthers thirty six, Warriors thirty six. The Roosters on an 0:51:51.267 --> 0:51:54.587 absolute role, They've won their last eight games. They play 0:51:54.667 --> 0:51:57.587 the Tigers, the Dolphins, the Rabbitos, so two of their 0:51:57.667 --> 0:51:59.667 last three are against teams in the top six. But 0:51:59.747 --> 0:52:04.027 the Roosters, i think we can probably agree, are favorites 0:52:04.627 --> 0:52:07.067 for the minor Premiership. As we said here today, the 0:52:07.147 --> 0:52:09.147 Panthers have lost their last two but led to the 0:52:09.227 --> 0:52:11.027 other two teams in the top three, the Warriors and 0:52:11.027 --> 0:52:17.707 the Roosters, and they're running the Panthers is quite friendly, Storm, Bulldogs, Tigers. 0:52:18.307 --> 0:52:22.387 Those teams are eleventh, ninth and fourteenth and the Panthers 0:52:23.267 --> 0:52:27.747 are well aware of what is needed in September and 0:52:27.827 --> 0:52:31.227 then the Warriors Rabbit O's away, Knights at home, Sea 0:52:31.267 --> 0:52:35.267 Eagles at home. Those teams are sixth, seventh and tenth. 0:52:36.267 --> 0:52:40.027 But the Warriors are flying and are in a second 0:52:40.067 --> 0:52:43.787 place shootout with the Panthers. They have to match the Panthers' 0:52:43.827 --> 0:52:47.947 results and have slightly better winning margins to claim second spot. 0:52:48.067 --> 0:52:52.107 It is well and truly on for the Warriors to 0:52:52.187 --> 0:52:59.027 finish in the top two. Luke Metcalf gutting so innocuous 0:52:59.067 --> 0:53:02.587 as well pulling a hammy taking a conversion. As I 0:53:02.627 --> 0:53:04.507 said before, we're waiting for confirmation on how a baut 0:53:04.547 --> 0:53:07.907 it is. Hamstrings are always at the absolute best two 0:53:08.027 --> 0:53:10.667 or three weeks, so we're looking at a best case 0:53:10.707 --> 0:53:13.187 scenario of week one of the finals for Luke Metcalf. 0:53:13.787 --> 0:53:15.467 You just hope it's not worse than that because if 0:53:15.507 --> 0:53:18.987 it is, that conversion could be his last action ever 0:53:19.107 --> 0:53:22.067 for the club to Mighty. Martin still a couple of 0:53:22.147 --> 0:53:24.347 weeks away with his own hamstring strain, and we know 0:53:24.467 --> 0:53:28.027 Tanner Boyd's out for the season. Those three Metcalf, Martin 0:53:28.067 --> 0:53:31.347 and Boyd are the only three players who have started 0:53:31.387 --> 0:53:33.507 at seven for the Warriors in the last two years, 0:53:34.827 --> 0:53:38.707 so it's next man up, Chanelle. Harris Tavita slotted into 0:53:38.747 --> 0:53:41.827 half back last night, pretty decent. Moving him though, leaves 0:53:41.827 --> 0:53:44.987 a gap at six. And the only other player apart 0:53:45.027 --> 0:53:47.707 from Harris Tavita and briefly Luke Metcalf to have worn 0:53:47.787 --> 0:53:50.387 that jersey this season is Luke Hanson and just one game. 0:53:51.307 --> 0:53:53.467 So I think your man has probably Charles nikol Kluks 0:53:53.507 --> 0:53:57.707 done to move into six. And he reminded me he 0:53:57.787 --> 0:53:59.627 played there against Penrith a couple of years ago and 0:53:59.667 --> 0:54:01.387 and win it magic round. It's a good memory from 0:54:01.427 --> 0:54:03.827 Andy Tame two opicky slots back in the fullback I 0:54:03.827 --> 0:54:06.507 guess where he started fifteen times this season. He a 0:54:06.547 --> 0:54:08.267 bit of shuffling to do in the back line. But 0:54:08.427 --> 0:54:11.267 while that's a bit of a head scratcher for Andrew Webster, 0:54:11.467 --> 0:54:15.387 what he doesn't have is any worries about his forwards Fisher, 0:54:15.467 --> 0:54:19.707 Harris Egan, Barnett, Capewell, Laban Clark. What a pack that 0:54:19.987 --> 0:54:22.987 is they have started the last five games together have 0:54:23.107 --> 0:54:25.427 been the foundation on which these winds have been built. 0:54:25.867 --> 0:54:28.667 And on top of that, Jackson Ford, the standout player 0:54:28.747 --> 0:54:32.387 in the entire comp until until he got injured, is 0:54:32.467 --> 0:54:34.827 due back for the finals. Others like Tannis Doller, Smith, 0:54:35.147 --> 0:54:38.187 Eddie y're a me or two other Sam Healy, They've 0:54:38.227 --> 0:54:40.907 done everything required in the roles they've been asked to play. 0:54:40.947 --> 0:54:43.947 He least come off the interchange seventeen times in twenty 0:54:43.987 --> 0:54:46.627 one games this season. He gives you good solid minutes 0:54:46.667 --> 0:54:51.067 every time. Every one on this team is contributing. And 0:54:51.147 --> 0:54:54.267 we're in a three game sprint down the home straight 0:54:54.307 --> 0:54:59.187 towards the mine of premiership and then September hits and 0:54:59.387 --> 0:55:03.387 finals footy becomes the full focus. Can't wait. Oh eight 0:55:03.507 --> 0:55:06.947 hundred and eighty ten eighty twenty past one, Alex, good afternoon, 0:55:07.547 --> 0:55:10.707 Well Aleck, my apologies, Alec, No, No. 0:55:10.787 --> 0:55:11.187 You're all right. 0:55:11.227 --> 0:55:13.747 Brother Piney helps things, tells the gun. 0:55:13.987 --> 0:55:17.587 Really good mate, I'm I'm a bit. I saw a 0:55:17.707 --> 0:55:20.627 simmering here, try not to get too excited about these warriors. 0:55:21.187 --> 0:55:21.787 Oh it's hard. 0:55:21.947 --> 0:55:24.347 It's hard not to exciting times ahead for the boys. 0:55:24.427 --> 0:55:29.067 But another great performance last night, another great start to Piney. 0:55:29.587 --> 0:55:33.267 I mean, Kevin Campion said it. The Fords were unreal 0:55:33.467 --> 0:55:35.867 that that first ten or fifteen minutes. They sort of 0:55:36.307 --> 0:55:39.787 just got into their work straight away, and our completion, 0:55:40.307 --> 0:55:43.067 the sets we completed was on and then we just 0:55:43.227 --> 0:55:45.667 put the kicks down there, kept the Broncos down their 0:55:45.827 --> 0:55:48.387 end and literally sort of just waited for them to 0:55:48.467 --> 0:55:51.507 make a mistake, which they did, and then we capitalize, 0:55:51.627 --> 0:55:54.747 you know, Wade Egan put Laban over for that first try, 0:55:54.787 --> 0:55:57.747 and from then on, I think they just couldn't couldn't 0:55:57.747 --> 0:56:01.227 hang with us a Piney you know, yeah. 0:56:01.227 --> 0:56:03.587 Sorry, A like even when we went down to twelve, 0:56:03.667 --> 0:56:06.227 when nikol Kluster had the ten minutes on the bin 0:56:06.427 --> 0:56:08.747 for the yes and we don't know what whether they 0:56:08.787 --> 0:56:12.267 were any further repercussions on that with some heat he's 0:56:12.307 --> 0:56:15.227 on report hopefully not. Yeah, but do even even down 0:56:15.267 --> 0:56:17.307 to twelve, I mean, all of a sudden, I mean 0:56:18.147 --> 0:56:21.427 Resposh gets up throws that that that passed rather hopefully, 0:56:21.547 --> 0:56:23.627 and all of a sudden Carperreira has got any run 0:56:23.667 --> 0:56:23.947 to night. 0:56:25.987 --> 0:56:28.827 I was, I was so good seeing a Lotiana and 0:56:29.347 --> 0:56:30.707 for well, I don't even know if he was in 0:56:30.787 --> 0:56:32.547 full flight pint. It sort of almost looked like he 0:56:32.707 --> 0:56:35.827 was just cruising. But Jesus, Jesus, good to see that 0:56:35.947 --> 0:56:40.227 fuller fullow an open space. But yeah, I mean, you know, 0:56:40.347 --> 0:56:42.347 the boys faced that little bit of adversity as you 0:56:42.427 --> 0:56:44.707 see when Chans went off, and I mean we're we're 0:56:44.707 --> 0:56:47.427 still outscored them with the man down. So the boys 0:56:47.467 --> 0:56:49.147 were just on a you know, they showed all that 0:56:49.707 --> 0:56:53.667 all that heart and and all that efforts and obviously 0:56:53.907 --> 0:56:58.427 just just our forwards a piney, fish, Barnet cape roll, 0:56:58.627 --> 0:57:01.827 Aaron Clark just leading from the front. And then obviously 0:57:01.947 --> 0:57:03.867 we've got those young guys coming in off the bench 0:57:03.947 --> 0:57:06.827 and we don't really lose much when they come on either. 0:57:07.027 --> 0:57:07.187 You know. 0:57:09.107 --> 0:57:11.667 It's just it's just quite interesting to see when the 0:57:11.707 --> 0:57:16.027 boys get into their work that, you know, and we're 0:57:16.067 --> 0:57:19.827 completing at a high rate. Teams teams just aren't able 0:57:19.907 --> 0:57:22.467 to hang with us a piney they. 0:57:22.427 --> 0:57:25.787 Can't they can't end look at and this is the 0:57:25.827 --> 0:57:27.627 thing when we talk about the warriors now Alec, you 0:57:27.787 --> 0:57:30.947 end up talking about every single player. You mentioned every 0:57:30.987 --> 0:57:34.747 single player's name, because everybody is contributing. I know teams 0:57:34.787 --> 0:57:37.387 have stars, of course they do, and you and you 0:57:37.667 --> 0:57:40.827 sometimes gravitate towards them, but the entire forward pack as 0:57:40.867 --> 0:57:43.587 a collective and the guys who are coming off the interchange, 0:57:43.867 --> 0:57:47.787 I've just been utterly impressed. And you just know Andrew 0:57:47.827 --> 0:57:51.027 Webster is just delighted with the platform that those those 0:57:51.147 --> 0:57:53.747 big men, those middles are laying for the for the 0:57:53.907 --> 0:57:55.267 you know, for the quicker guys out wide. 0:57:55.787 --> 0:57:58.667 Oh definitely, definitely, mate, Yeah, I mean even you know, 0:57:58.707 --> 0:58:01.307 obviously Luke going down there was probably the saddest part 0:58:01.347 --> 0:58:04.427 of the night. But just to see h T Stephan, 0:58:04.907 --> 0:58:07.667 I mean, I thought he played well. To me, it 0:58:07.827 --> 0:58:10.627 was probably either him or Chance apart from Chance going 0:58:10.667 --> 0:58:13.307 off with their ten. They were probably my my man 0:58:13.387 --> 0:58:16.707 of the match really, and then obviously Chance sliding into 0:58:16.787 --> 0:58:19.107 that six as well. Geez, he just made some real 0:58:19.147 --> 0:58:22.147 good defensive reeds as well. Piney, I mean even c 0:58:22.427 --> 0:58:24.587 chd you put that big hit on that guy. I 0:58:24.627 --> 0:58:26.547 can't remember who that was in that first half, but 0:58:26.667 --> 0:58:28.907 he rocked them and you know, it's just it's just 0:58:29.027 --> 0:58:32.667 so impressive what the boys are doing. And then obviously 0:58:32.787 --> 0:58:34.387 our four peck as well. It's probably got to be 0:58:34.427 --> 0:58:36.787 the best four pack in the league. I mean, no 0:58:37.107 --> 0:58:39.427 no bias here or anything like that. But and then 0:58:39.427 --> 0:58:41.627 obviously the guys that are coming off the bench, we've 0:58:41.667 --> 0:58:44.067 got to have some of the best bench players as well. 0:58:44.467 --> 0:58:47.827 And with Jacko Ford coming back, obviously to me, he 0:58:48.387 --> 0:58:51.187 gets he gets a bench spot as soon as he 0:58:51.267 --> 0:58:53.267 gets back, So it's just going to be interesting to see. 0:58:53.387 --> 0:58:58.587 Unfortunately who misses out yeah on on on that bench spot. 0:58:58.667 --> 0:59:01.387 But you know, we've still got to do our job 0:59:01.427 --> 0:59:06.867 a piney and when these last three games, hopefully Dolphins 0:59:06.947 --> 0:59:09.627 or someone can can get up over over the roosters 0:59:09.707 --> 0:59:12.147 which will give us a chance to possibly hit that 0:59:12.387 --> 0:59:15.787 first hit that first But I mean, as long as 0:59:15.827 --> 0:59:20.027 we can come first or second, I think that'll give 0:59:20.107 --> 0:59:22.627 us a huge run into this final series. 0:59:23.147 --> 0:59:25.547 Good man, alec Ja, great summary, mate, and I love 0:59:25.627 --> 0:59:28.667 the optimism in your voice. I can feel it. Keep 0:59:28.707 --> 0:59:30.467 our number in your phone, mate, Let's talk over the 0:59:30.547 --> 0:59:33.827 next few weeks as the Warriors go hopefully anyway deep 0:59:33.867 --> 0:59:35.587 into the finals. Good to hear from you. Oh eight 0:59:35.707 --> 0:59:37.787 hundred and eighty ten eighty, it's one twenty five. 0:59:38.067 --> 0:59:38.227 Yeah. 0:59:38.227 --> 0:59:39.987 A couple of people have pointed out the Nickel Kluksta 0:59:40.107 --> 0:59:44.187 may Well copper Band for that hip drop on Reese Walsh. 0:59:44.187 --> 0:59:48.067 He's on report. So I guess we wait and see. 0:59:48.667 --> 0:59:52.227 That hasn't been sent through yet. Is it normally Monday, 0:59:52.267 --> 0:59:55.347 Andy that they that they published that information that, yeah, 0:59:55.427 --> 0:59:57.467 Monday it is, thanks mate. Yeah, so I guess we 0:59:57.587 --> 0:59:59.387 wait and see. So, yeah, if it's not Charms, then 0:59:59.787 --> 1:00:03.907 we still have a gap there at six taine Toopak 1:00:04.067 --> 1:00:06.347 he's played there. Then again you need a fall back down. 1:00:07.027 --> 1:00:09.787 Andrew Webster is the coach for a reason. He'll be 1:00:09.827 --> 1:00:11.547 sitting on the plane on the way back working it 1:00:11.627 --> 1:00:14.547 all out. He'll be he'll be thinking, Okay, we've got 1:00:14.627 --> 1:00:16.827 char and Z plays there. If we haven't, then we'll 1:00:16.867 --> 1:00:18.467 do this lyle height. 1:00:20.347 --> 1:00:20.547 Mate. 1:00:20.587 --> 1:00:24.267 Look, every team says they have sell the belief and 1:00:24.987 --> 1:00:28.107 they back their coaches and their teammates and everything else. 1:00:28.187 --> 1:00:30.707 But I think the big difference is just Warrio's side. 1:00:31.547 --> 1:00:33.667 It's starting. You've got to self release one thing. But 1:00:33.787 --> 1:00:36.147 they really do have it, and they've got it because 1:00:36.187 --> 1:00:39.867 of the juniors coming through lecqu of the Pong and 1:00:39.907 --> 1:00:44.627 Wrecker Laban and Stourer Smith and we will come out 1:00:44.667 --> 1:00:46.987 and locally produce nurseries. 1:00:47.467 --> 1:00:50.347 But ofcause you've got the teams in the lower. 1:00:50.187 --> 1:00:53.907 Grades whereas for many years they didn't. They pull them 1:00:53.907 --> 1:00:55.947 out of Fox Memorial will get them from out a 1:00:56.027 --> 1:01:00.227 close and local competitions out of Australia. But the nurseryes 1:01:00.307 --> 1:01:02.267 there of the product that's coming out to the other 1:01:02.507 --> 1:01:08.387 ends has put for use and up to scratch. Look, 1:01:08.507 --> 1:01:10.987 I don't wish to piss on the parade, but I've 1:01:10.987 --> 1:01:13.547 watched the Broncos. I never liked the Broncos, but watched 1:01:13.587 --> 1:01:18.467 as many years. Well, hey, the Warriors played brilliantly, no 1:01:18.667 --> 1:01:21.747 doubt about it. So the Bronco system, like a side 1:01:21.787 --> 1:01:23.987 at the end of the season, can't come quick enough. 1:01:24.747 --> 1:01:27.787 There's obviously something rot and that club, God knows what 1:01:27.907 --> 1:01:31.067 it is. Me Robert's managed to put eighty minutes to 1:01:31.107 --> 1:01:33.867 give from the first time on b a night and 1:01:34.067 --> 1:01:36.827 they've got for Warriors next week, so it should be 1:01:36.907 --> 1:01:37.587 a great game. 1:01:38.747 --> 1:01:41.867 Good on your lile. Look, you can rain on the 1:01:41.947 --> 1:01:44.027 parade as much as you like, mate. I know you're 1:01:44.027 --> 1:01:45.707 not a Warriors fan, but you're a big league fan. 1:01:45.947 --> 1:01:47.947 Good to hear from you as always, mate. The Gold 1:01:47.987 --> 1:01:50.947 Coaster is a bit nicer than some parts of New 1:01:51.067 --> 1:01:55.827 Zealand today. Jason, my brother, Broncos supporter, has lived in 1:01:55.867 --> 1:01:57.947 Brisbane for forty years, was at the game last night, 1:01:58.427 --> 1:02:01.827 said the Warrior supporters were amazing. My brother also said 1:02:01.867 --> 1:02:04.227 he's so disappointed with the Broncos. He was hardly or 1:02:04.307 --> 1:02:07.227 has hardly been to a game for months. He reckons 1:02:07.307 --> 1:02:11.747 watching knitting programs on TV is more satisfying like having 1:02:11.827 --> 1:02:14.907 been at Magic Round and watching the Warriors fans march 1:02:15.027 --> 1:02:19.547 down Caxton Street for their game against the Broncos that day. 1:02:20.787 --> 1:02:24.667 I mean, it just gave me an again a greater 1:02:24.787 --> 1:02:29.907 appreciation for fans of this club. They are utterly magnificent. 1:02:31.267 --> 1:02:33.547 And I think I said it after Magic Round never 1:02:33.667 --> 1:02:36.907 again wore the Broncos allow themselves to play the Warriors 1:02:36.947 --> 1:02:40.547 at Magic Round because it becomes an away game. And 1:02:40.667 --> 1:02:42.907 last night was the same. And the only reason they 1:02:42.947 --> 1:02:45.227 were empty seats in the second half was because the 1:02:45.267 --> 1:02:48.027 Broncos fans had cleared off one twenty eight. We'll take 1:02:48.067 --> 1:02:49.467 a break, come back with more of your calls on 1:02:49.507 --> 1:02:50.307 the Warriors after this. 1:02:51.067 --> 1:02:55.107 From Grassroots to the grand Stand Weekends Force with Jason 1:02:55.187 --> 1:02:58.507 Vine and the audi Q seven Dynamic Black Runout edition 1:02:58.627 --> 1:03:02.187 from one thirty ninety or eight hundred and eighty eighty 1:03:02.307 --> 1:03:03.747 News Talks and be one p. 1:03:03.827 --> 1:03:06.147 Thirty one Talking Warriors Ponty. Could they bring Jack Cleary 1:03:06.227 --> 1:03:08.147 up from the reserve grade? Yeah, of course they could. Yeah, 1:03:08.227 --> 1:03:10.667 Jet Clary could play. It's never played first grade and 1:03:10.787 --> 1:03:14.227 during the week come try well basically seemed like I 1:03:14.227 --> 1:03:15.827 don't want to stand anymore, Not that that will matter. 1:03:15.947 --> 1:03:18.707 Luke metcalf sim of the Dragons and he got back 1:03:18.747 --> 1:03:20.667 in the team. Yeah, they could bring Jet Clary up. 1:03:20.707 --> 1:03:23.747 That is obviously one option. There's one way they could go. 1:03:23.907 --> 1:03:24.307 Mark Hi. 1:03:26.227 --> 1:03:29.147 Yeah, if Cars doesn't play, they probably put Heally on 1:03:29.307 --> 1:03:32.267 the field, wouldn't they. I mean, I think to me 1:03:32.387 --> 1:03:34.747 it's just probably another half. He's such a good player. 1:03:34.787 --> 1:03:36.827 He seems to making them pick every time he comes on. 1:03:36.987 --> 1:03:39.267 Really, I think it'll be Look, I think it'll be 1:03:39.467 --> 1:03:41.507 I think it'd probably be Luke Hanson, But you no, 1:03:41.587 --> 1:03:43.587 I mean yeah, I mean Healy's been I think Healy's 1:03:43.627 --> 1:03:47.467 you're interchange man. But yeah, there's there's obviously a you know, 1:03:47.667 --> 1:03:49.747 a decision or two to be made in the selection 1:03:49.867 --> 1:03:51.427 meetings that are probably happening right now. 1:03:52.787 --> 1:03:54.787 Yeah, And I think that's the problem with the Warriors 1:03:54.787 --> 1:03:56.867 at the moment. I've just got too many forwards. We're 1:03:56.867 --> 1:04:00.267 having to push like players like lequ around into the centers, 1:04:00.267 --> 1:04:05.947 who's probably one of the best players last. He's ring 1:04:06.067 --> 1:04:08.267 box type situation where you have eleven. 1:04:10.627 --> 1:04:13.387 He is some player that HeLa Sema. He is some player. 1:04:14.307 --> 1:04:16.067 I was talking to somebody during the weekend. They and 1:04:16.187 --> 1:04:18.067 they made they made the point to me that I 1:04:18.107 --> 1:04:19.347 think they had a bit of a knowledge of the 1:04:19.387 --> 1:04:22.227 inside workings of the Warriors that they're they're working really 1:04:22.267 --> 1:04:24.707 hard with Leka Hellisima just to make sure that he 1:04:24.787 --> 1:04:27.267 keeps his feet nice and firmly grounded. Not that he 1:04:27.427 --> 1:04:30.427 has it in him not to you know, stay grounded, 1:04:30.467 --> 1:04:33.547 but he's become such a big star so quickly for 1:04:33.627 --> 1:04:35.907 a young guy. They just, you know, they're just wrapping 1:04:35.907 --> 1:04:38.027 a bit of support around him. But man, what a 1:04:38.067 --> 1:04:38.747 player he could be. 1:04:40.027 --> 1:04:42.307 Oh, I think we've just handled him beautifully. I mean, 1:04:42.347 --> 1:04:44.547 he sort of had that. He came on pretty strong 1:04:44.587 --> 1:04:46.467 at the beginning, and he sort of, yeah, he sort 1:04:46.507 --> 1:04:48.747 of disappeared for a little while, and then they brought 1:04:48.827 --> 1:04:50.507 him back in the center, which I don't think anyone 1:04:50.547 --> 1:04:53.427 could affected at the beginning of the season. I just 1:04:53.467 --> 1:04:56.947 want to mention Chance. I thought Chance was done sort 1:04:56.987 --> 1:05:00.147 of a beginning of the year, and he's just come 1:05:00.227 --> 1:05:03.027 back superbly and you know, has been one of the 1:05:03.427 --> 1:05:05.347 best players in the last two or three weeks. So 1:05:05.467 --> 1:05:08.467 I think he's Yeah, he's regained the form that you know, 1:05:08.587 --> 1:05:10.267 made him such a you know, probably one of the 1:05:10.347 --> 1:05:13.627 number one picks at fullback in the competition. And yeah, 1:05:13.707 --> 1:05:16.667 he's just he's just really playing so well. And like 1:05:16.827 --> 1:05:18.867 all of them really, I mean, there's just this. You 1:05:18.907 --> 1:05:21.427 couldn't pick one of the Warriors and go, Wow, they're 1:05:21.467 --> 1:05:23.307 not really playing that well, are they. I mean, you 1:05:23.507 --> 1:05:24.747 just you can't pick that. 1:05:25.347 --> 1:05:29.187 No, No, yeah, Mark, You're so right because and like 1:05:29.267 --> 1:05:31.907 I said to Alec before, when you start talking about 1:05:31.907 --> 1:05:33.587 the Warriors and you say that was a good game 1:05:33.667 --> 1:05:35.267 last night, he had a good game, he had a 1:05:35.267 --> 1:05:36.947 good game, you end up going through the whole seventeen 1:05:37.707 --> 1:05:39.387 you really do I. 1:05:39.467 --> 1:05:41.067 Think the way that I mean, I know they're playing 1:05:41.107 --> 1:05:43.267 the Broncos last night and they're a bit of a 1:05:43.307 --> 1:05:46.707 head scratcher really why they they still got such such 1:05:46.747 --> 1:05:49.747 amazing talent. But the way they defended last night, and 1:05:49.827 --> 1:05:52.907 the and the and the discipline was probably the thing 1:05:52.947 --> 1:05:55.547 that impressed me the most. They just didn't give away 1:05:55.667 --> 1:05:59.187 those stupid rock penalties a lot of teams do. They 1:05:59.387 --> 1:06:02.387 become such a disciplined team and the best They had 1:06:02.427 --> 1:06:06.147 the best completion rate in the competition to me, even 1:06:06.147 --> 1:06:09.107 though the third favorites, I mean, I think I think 1:06:09.147 --> 1:06:11.467 they deserve to be equal favorites at the moment, probably 1:06:11.507 --> 1:06:15.507 with the Roosters in the competition. And yeah, I just 1:06:15.627 --> 1:06:18.267 think they're a huge, huge chance to make the final. 1:06:18.307 --> 1:06:21.867 And you can imagine the final. How many Warriors, how 1:06:21.947 --> 1:06:25.067 many Warriors supporters are going to be honestly going to 1:06:25.107 --> 1:06:26.267 be over half the stadium. 1:06:28.067 --> 1:06:33.227 Seriously, it's it is such an exciting thing to think about. Mark. 1:06:33.467 --> 1:06:36.227 Can you imagine the Warriors in a Grand Final? Can 1:06:36.307 --> 1:06:41.347 you imagine the crowd there in Sydney? It would be unreal. 1:06:42.467 --> 1:06:44.547 I just think it's the best team I've ever seen 1:06:44.627 --> 1:06:49.467 the Warriors play. To put it simply, Yeah. 1:06:49.427 --> 1:06:51.787 That's it's a It's a simple sentence and I think 1:06:51.827 --> 1:06:52.587 it's an accurate one. 1:06:52.667 --> 1:06:52.867 Mark. 1:06:53.747 --> 1:06:55.307 I think a lot of Warriors fans who have been 1:06:55.347 --> 1:06:57.907 around for as long as you have and maybe even longer, 1:06:57.947 --> 1:07:00.507 would say this is I mean, I know we've made 1:07:00.507 --> 1:07:05.267 two Grand Finals and they were great teams with iconic players, 1:07:06.507 --> 1:07:12.107 but this team text through text through here party. I'm 1:07:12.147 --> 1:07:15.387 forty seven overweight and they've never played rugby league, but 1:07:15.427 --> 1:07:20.067 I could play seven behind that pack. That's a good point, man, 1:07:20.147 --> 1:07:22.747 talk about a talk about a platform, Paul, what do 1:07:22.787 --> 1:07:24.387 you reckon they're going to do? Mate? They'll have no 1:07:24.867 --> 1:07:28.467 they'll have no metcalf next week they what do you 1:07:28.507 --> 1:07:30.827 think they'll do around? Sort of shuffling the you know, 1:07:30.947 --> 1:07:32.627 the the positions around. 1:07:34.267 --> 1:07:38.187 Quit Funny, it depends how far away I think. I 1:07:38.267 --> 1:07:40.747 think he said tomighty's a couple of weeks aways, so 1:07:41.907 --> 1:07:45.627 I think he was sick with the status quo from 1:07:45.707 --> 1:07:46.187 last night. 1:07:46.267 --> 1:07:46.707 Maybe with. 1:07:49.667 --> 1:07:54.267 With Chanel Shane can slot of the seven, yeah, yeah, 1:07:55.387 --> 1:07:57.667 no doubt. And then I think chance he's played at 1:07:57.667 --> 1:08:00.667 sixty before, it's really only a matter of just getting 1:08:00.707 --> 1:08:04.267 through the next couple of games. So but we'll see. 1:08:04.267 --> 1:08:07.147 You know, I was really interested to see finally after 1:08:07.267 --> 1:08:10.227 last week's game. You know, it was such a huge 1:08:10.267 --> 1:08:13.947 occasion emotionally and physically for against the Panthers and then 1:08:13.987 --> 1:08:15.907 I'd be interested. I was interested to see how they'd 1:08:15.947 --> 1:08:19.427 back up going to Australia and playing the Broncos, where 1:08:19.627 --> 1:08:24.307 where they would button off a little bit, but intensity. 1:08:23.787 --> 1:08:25.747 That it was again was the last night. 1:08:25.867 --> 1:08:27.827 You know, they came out of the blocks firing and 1:08:28.427 --> 1:08:31.147 that was a real huge sign for me. Where this 1:08:31.267 --> 1:08:33.307 team is that, mate, And you know, there's there's no 1:08:33.427 --> 1:08:36.987 team in the NRAL apart from maybe the Roosters really 1:08:37.707 --> 1:08:40.267 that that that comfortable with the Warriors at the moment. 1:08:40.307 --> 1:08:43.827 They're so clinical. They're a tight group. The connection everything, 1:08:44.027 --> 1:08:48.507 everything they do, they all individually know their role and 1:08:49.307 --> 1:08:51.827 it's just so good to see. It's poetry in motion 1:08:51.987 --> 1:08:54.707 and some of those frizes last night was just fantastic, mate. 1:08:55.307 --> 1:08:57.987 Yeah, and look, the Warriors have been called a lot 1:08:58.067 --> 1:09:00.947 of things over the years, but if you'd had if 1:09:00.947 --> 1:09:04.947 you in previous seasons had called them clinical, people would 1:09:04.987 --> 1:09:07.867 have laughed at you. You know, the word fits the 1:09:07.987 --> 1:09:09.147 twenty twenty six version. 1:09:09.427 --> 1:09:14.267 Yeah, absolutely absolutely. And you hear the players, you know, 1:09:14.547 --> 1:09:17.267 and it's just such a such a joy to watch, 1:09:17.307 --> 1:09:20.427 you know, and you know we can feel confident because 1:09:20.787 --> 1:09:22.587 you know, we were sitting on the table and what 1:09:22.707 --> 1:09:26.307 we've seen so far, they'll play the rabbit Os next week, 1:09:26.387 --> 1:09:28.867 you know, and I just have faith that they'll they'll 1:09:28.947 --> 1:09:31.147 just get the job done. The only way that the 1:09:31.507 --> 1:09:34.467 Warriors will lose from from now on, well they'll beat themselves. 1:09:34.947 --> 1:09:36.827 You know, they won't be up for the game or whatever. 1:09:36.907 --> 1:09:40.227 But we've got depths. They're playing so well. It's such 1:09:40.267 --> 1:09:42.427 a good time to be a Warriors fan. And you know, 1:09:42.867 --> 1:09:45.227 I said a while ago, you know, I'm hoping it's 1:09:45.227 --> 1:09:47.627 a Rooster's Warriors Grand Final, a repeat of O two, 1:09:48.627 --> 1:09:49.747 and it would be fantastic. 1:09:49.867 --> 1:09:49.987 Man. 1:09:50.027 --> 1:09:52.107 I'll certainly be there anyway we could. 1:09:52.307 --> 1:09:54.907 We could well be hitting that way for honestly, even 1:09:54.947 --> 1:09:56.747 talk now, and I know I can't really make these 1:09:57.347 --> 1:09:59.347 I need to discuss these things with other people in 1:09:59.427 --> 1:10:01.347 my life. But don't feel the same wayment. I feel 1:10:01.347 --> 1:10:02.667 like if they met the Grand Final, I've just got 1:10:02.747 --> 1:10:05.387 to be there, just got to find a way to 1:10:05.467 --> 1:10:06.027 be over there. 1:10:07.147 --> 1:10:08.867 Yeah, And I think you'll find a lot of other 1:10:09.707 --> 1:10:12.107 fans from other clubs will be behind the Warriors if 1:10:12.307 --> 1:10:14.467 they are playing the Roasters, and there'll be sixty thousand 1:10:14.507 --> 1:10:17.507 out of eighty I reckon Warriors fans there. They'll be 1:10:17.907 --> 1:10:21.187 playing loads from New Zealand going over and you remember 1:10:21.187 --> 1:10:23.427 what it was like in two and eleven. You know 1:10:23.787 --> 1:10:25.867 this will go to another level, mate, because of the 1:10:25.947 --> 1:10:28.987 fandom that they've you know, they've brought it from around 1:10:29.027 --> 1:10:30.867 the country. Mate, It's going to go to another level, 1:10:31.307 --> 1:10:34.707 and there'll be celebrations of anything unseen in this country 1:10:35.027 --> 1:10:37.307 to get the America's couple of rugby World Cup, mate, 1:10:37.307 --> 1:10:40.507 the Warriors. When the world of the Premiership, the celebrations 1:10:40.547 --> 1:10:42.427 and parades will just be out of this world, mate, 1:10:42.747 --> 1:10:43.187 they will. 1:10:43.427 --> 1:10:45.867 The parade will take about a week to get to 1:10:46.307 --> 1:10:49.107 hit down the main drag in Auckland and then they'll 1:10:49.107 --> 1:10:50.947 probably want to take it around the country. Paul, good 1:10:50.947 --> 1:10:52.947 to hear from you, mate. It's always always good chatting 1:10:53.027 --> 1:10:56.387 rugby leg with you. Textory. Don't forget two unsung heroes 1:10:56.747 --> 1:10:59.427 who have made a massive contribution to get us to 1:10:59.507 --> 1:11:03.147 this point. Andrew McFadden, the guy who was identifying and 1:11:03.267 --> 1:11:06.587 bringing through and enabling the next man up approach. Also 1:11:06.667 --> 1:11:09.947 owner Mark Robinson, who's investing in the pathways, including the 1:11:09.987 --> 1:11:12.547 women for example. Also keep an eye on jay La 1:11:12.627 --> 1:11:15.107 Nane another superstar in the making. Year young five. I 1:11:15.187 --> 1:11:18.467 think we shouldn't just be excited about this season, but 1:11:18.587 --> 1:11:22.467 also the next five. How good up the wors? Indeed, 1:11:22.787 --> 1:11:24.547 how must what you can say up the wires? 1:11:24.627 --> 1:11:24.707 Hi? 1:11:24.787 --> 1:11:30.627 Shane? Thanks Shane, you're having a conversation elsewhere. I'll go 1:11:30.747 --> 1:11:31.587 to Mike instead. 1:11:31.627 --> 1:11:33.907 Hello, Mike, Hello there. 1:11:36.267 --> 1:11:38.387 I've been a rugby league the animal life, and my 1:11:38.507 --> 1:11:42.667 father played for Elleslie and Frankton Railways. And I played 1:11:42.947 --> 1:11:50.267 fifty one fifty two years ago for Togo's Province. And 1:11:50.467 --> 1:11:52.987 I picked up a blue and rugby league at Taga 1:11:53.147 --> 1:11:59.667 University and we're there the first day of the Warriors 1:11:59.747 --> 1:12:04.107 played thirty one years ago in March nineteen ninety five. 1:12:04.187 --> 1:12:10.107 And I've got an interesting question. Yes, I've got a 1:12:10.187 --> 1:12:15.827 number plate w A R R one A. What do 1:12:15.907 --> 1:12:16.867 you think it'd be worth? 1:12:17.347 --> 1:12:20.187 Oh, Mike, it could be worth. Look I tell you what. 1:12:20.387 --> 1:12:24.347 Don't sell it yet, hold on to it until until 1:12:24.467 --> 1:12:28.627 late September and then and then chuck it on the market. 1:12:31.307 --> 1:12:32.627 Good to hear from him. Make God, And Move've got 1:12:32.667 --> 1:12:35.827 to get to James mcconey. But Simon says, Piney, what's 1:12:35.867 --> 1:12:39.547 your boss's email? We'll start bombarding him on your behalf, Simon. 1:12:39.587 --> 1:12:41.067 I'm happy to give it to you or text it 1:12:41.147 --> 1:12:42.747 to you, text it to you. 1:12:43.387 --> 1:12:43.587 Yeah. 1:12:43.627 --> 1:12:45.667 Look'll be great to be at the Grand Fin'll be 1:12:45.667 --> 1:12:47.787 even better to be there on a work junket, wouldn't it? 1:12:47.947 --> 1:12:49.667 Nineteen away from two? We'll take a break, come back. 1:12:49.747 --> 1:12:50.907 James mcconey is after this. 1:12:51.547 --> 1:12:55.267 The biggest names in sports Talk to Peney Weekend Sport 1:12:55.547 --> 1:12:58.947 with Jason Vine and the ldi Q seven Dynamic Black 1:12:59.027 --> 1:13:02.947 Runout Edition includes thirty thousand dollars of premium upgrades US 1:13:03.027 --> 1:13:03.587 Talks B. 1:13:04.227 --> 1:13:07.187 One forty four. Time for James mcny Has your week 1:13:07.227 --> 1:13:07.667 been mate? 1:13:07.947 --> 1:13:10.387 It's been pretty good, poneer. I'm still in France. I'm 1:13:10.427 --> 1:13:14.547 in Paris now. I'm in the capitol, just down the 1:13:14.667 --> 1:13:17.987 road from the Lark the Triomph, and it's been thirty 1:13:18.307 --> 1:13:20.147 eight degrees on some of these days. 1:13:20.387 --> 1:13:25.227 Yes, okay, Well, I can't share similar news from large 1:13:25.267 --> 1:13:28.307 parts of the country back here. You'll be surprised to learn. 1:13:28.387 --> 1:13:32.667 But let's talk some sport. The Warriors last night beating 1:13:32.707 --> 1:13:36.027 the Broncos very convincingly at what looked like a home 1:13:36.107 --> 1:13:40.227 game at sun Corps Stadium, when do we actually start 1:13:40.707 --> 1:13:44.707 to think that these guys may actually do it In 1:13:44.787 --> 1:13:45.947 twenty twenty six. 1:13:47.307 --> 1:13:50.627 Pioneer, surely you would have started your show with it's 1:13:50.667 --> 1:13:55.867 our year, because this is all the indications that they're 1:13:55.947 --> 1:13:57.947 heading in that direction. There's a few things that I 1:13:58.067 --> 1:14:02.027 think are really act in the Warrior's favor. One is 1:14:02.107 --> 1:14:04.467 that the movement that is up the wires or whatever 1:14:04.467 --> 1:14:07.667 you want to call it, has spread across the Tasman 1:14:07.787 --> 1:14:09.747 to the point where, like you say, it's a home 1:14:09.827 --> 1:14:13.387 game every single time, there is no problem playing any 1:14:13.427 --> 1:14:16.827 away game over there in terms of support. And then 1:14:17.387 --> 1:14:21.427 when you look at the Warriors historically, our our bogey teams, 1:14:21.467 --> 1:14:26.507 our kryptonite, the Melbourne Storm. You know the Broncos. They're 1:14:26.547 --> 1:14:28.907 not going to be in the in the in the 1:14:29.027 --> 1:14:31.987 Last Dance, are they? So I think I know that 1:14:32.147 --> 1:14:34.347 I know the Panthers are strong. I know the Roosters 1:14:34.387 --> 1:14:37.587 have been doing incredible stuff. But you have to like 1:14:38.187 --> 1:14:40.907 the way that the Warriors are playing as an ensemble 1:14:41.427 --> 1:14:44.307 and compared to the others, they're just as strong. 1:14:44.507 --> 1:14:48.227 Yeah, I totally agree. I think as a as a collective, 1:14:48.267 --> 1:14:51.107 as you say, as an ensemble, great word is that 1:14:51.187 --> 1:14:54.267 a French word as ensemble. Is that a French word? 1:14:55.507 --> 1:15:01.067 But yeah, love it, love it, love it. I don't 1:15:01.067 --> 1:15:04.267 know what next man up in French is, but Luke 1:15:04.307 --> 1:15:06.827 metcal pulling a hammy last night as he went to 1:15:06.907 --> 1:15:10.307 take that conversion. Shanella Harris ta Vita, I guess would 1:15:10.347 --> 1:15:13.347 be the next man up to wear seven from the 1:15:13.507 --> 1:15:14.987 from the start of the next few games. 1:15:16.027 --> 1:15:16.227 Yeah. 1:15:16.387 --> 1:15:19.187 Look, I mean I think there will be a few options. 1:15:19.227 --> 1:15:22.427 I think Tantupiki can play seven as well. There's a 1:15:22.467 --> 1:15:26.027 lot there are. There are players who can fill in 1:15:26.347 --> 1:15:29.787 different areas. And look, I think one thing that you notice, 1:15:29.907 --> 1:15:33.347 especially when it comes to planning and if you have 1:15:33.467 --> 1:15:35.507 a decent chat which I'm sure you do all the time. 1:15:35.587 --> 1:15:38.227 Piony for example, of the Hurricanes, and if you talk 1:15:38.307 --> 1:15:40.947 to them two years ago, they'd probably say, hey, we're 1:15:40.987 --> 1:15:42.987 two years away from where we really want to be 1:15:43.147 --> 1:15:45.467 with some of these young players coming through, et cetera, 1:15:45.507 --> 1:15:50.707 et cetera, Right, And you feel that way with the Warriors. 1:15:50.827 --> 1:15:55.787 You feel that Jacob laban Ali Lao O'tawa. When I 1:15:55.907 --> 1:15:59.227 met those guys a couple of years ago, they were young. 1:15:59.387 --> 1:16:03.147 You know, they look like in Jacob's case, you look 1:16:03.227 --> 1:16:05.787 like a school kid, you know, and now there is 1:16:06.387 --> 1:16:09.307 agerous as anyone in the league in their position. So 1:16:09.747 --> 1:16:12.587 that's where I sort of feel like, planning wise, timing wise, 1:16:13.147 --> 1:16:14.867 things are good for the Wires. Yes, there's a bit 1:16:14.867 --> 1:16:19.547 of a problem and at playmaker, but at half back, 1:16:19.627 --> 1:16:23.987 but that's I don't think it's too something they can't overcome. 1:16:24.187 --> 1:16:26.747 No, I agree, and I think in other key positions, 1:16:26.787 --> 1:16:29.867 in particular the forward pack, they just look so good. 1:16:30.027 --> 1:16:32.467 So it's an exciting time to be to be a 1:16:32.547 --> 1:16:34.307 Warriors fan over the next one three games of the 1:16:34.387 --> 1:16:37.587 regular season then into September the business end as they 1:16:37.667 --> 1:16:37.907 call it. 1:16:39.067 --> 1:16:42.107 Yeah, and look, even someone like Aaron Clark, who you know, 1:16:42.187 --> 1:16:43.667 a couple of years ago he was playing for the 1:16:43.747 --> 1:16:46.667 Maddy Dawa Marlins, not quite sure whether he's going to 1:16:46.707 --> 1:16:49.587 go pro ever again. And you can tell the way 1:16:49.627 --> 1:16:51.827 that the Aussie commentated, so very hard to please when 1:16:51.867 --> 1:16:54.187 it comes to the Warriors, especially block a roach. Don't 1:16:54.187 --> 1:16:59.507 get me started, but they do love them some, Aaron Clark, and. 1:16:59.787 --> 1:17:01.867 So do I, so do I, so do I. 1:17:01.987 --> 1:17:04.547 Let's go to the All Blacks. They've completed the pre 1:17:04.867 --> 1:17:08.587 test segment of the Greatest Rivalry tour three from three. 1:17:09.467 --> 1:17:12.227 How are you feeling about the All Blacks against the 1:17:12.267 --> 1:17:15.707 spring Box over the next well four or five weeks 1:17:15.747 --> 1:17:17.907 the test match segment of this tour. 1:17:19.467 --> 1:17:22.067 I'm feeling about fifty to fifty really because I just 1:17:22.267 --> 1:17:25.587 wonder whether you know that there's just a little bit 1:17:25.627 --> 1:17:29.427 of the unknown. I mean, Arlie Savier coming back into 1:17:29.507 --> 1:17:33.587 the team now, he's obviously going to play, but you 1:17:33.667 --> 1:17:35.747 know he hasn't played for the past few weeks. Then 1:17:35.827 --> 1:17:40.107 you've got problems with Cam roy Guard's calf. Dave Rennie 1:17:40.147 --> 1:17:45.147 did sound like fairly positive about Cam's calf, but then 1:17:45.307 --> 1:17:49.387 McKenzie's ankle not looking so great, and you know, Caleb 1:17:49.427 --> 1:17:52.587 Clark's gone home. There's a few I'm not saying that 1:17:52.747 --> 1:17:56.507 that there's major problems, but it's it's it does make 1:17:56.627 --> 1:17:59.667 me feel like it is fifty to fifty. So I 1:17:59.787 --> 1:18:03.787 think as a nation, we all would feel a lot 1:18:03.867 --> 1:18:06.707 happier if Cam roy Guard was starting that Test match anyway. 1:18:06.787 --> 1:18:10.827 Oh no, totally. I think that's certainly a non negotiable 1:18:10.867 --> 1:18:13.227 And yeah, you're right. Dave Aene seemed fairly confident about 1:18:13.267 --> 1:18:16.347 he and Will Jordan maybe lessar about Damien mackenzie. But 1:18:16.467 --> 1:18:18.507 still still felt confident that he would begin in the 1:18:18.587 --> 1:18:21.267 mix to play. Hey, Anton Segna had a really good 1:18:21.307 --> 1:18:23.787 game today. In fact, the man of the match officially 1:18:23.827 --> 1:18:26.107 man of the match. I mean it's like we had 1:18:26.147 --> 1:18:29.307 Fabian Holland to talk about last year and his story 1:18:29.427 --> 1:18:32.187 of coming from the Netherlands into the All Blacks. Now 1:18:32.267 --> 1:18:35.347 Anton Segna from Germany into the All Blacks. What a story. 1:18:36.347 --> 1:18:40.027 Well, we're our two best players today, Dutch and Germany. 1:18:40.267 --> 1:18:41.987 I mean they probably were. 1:18:42.427 --> 1:18:43.067 I think they were. 1:18:43.507 --> 1:18:45.787 Like I think that flip pass from Holland and even 1:18:45.867 --> 1:18:48.227 you know when he got first to the ball is 1:18:48.707 --> 1:18:51.787 to hack the ball ahead perfectly. Johann Kroust would have 1:18:51.827 --> 1:18:56.947 been happy with that. I mean, there's there's they are exceptional. 1:18:57.027 --> 1:18:59.827 But I think Fabian Holland is showing signs when you 1:18:59.907 --> 1:19:02.307 think that he was the breakout. 1:19:01.907 --> 1:19:02.827 Star last year. 1:19:03.027 --> 1:19:06.907 I think you recall me wiring on about thatcher he 1:19:06.987 --> 1:19:09.667 took fifteen of the All Blacks sixteen lineouts. I mean, 1:19:09.707 --> 1:19:13.347 this is those are crazy stats. You know, our best 1:19:13.387 --> 1:19:16.987 player could well be European, you know, sort of could 1:19:17.027 --> 1:19:18.867 be Dutch. You know, we're just got to accept it. 1:19:19.667 --> 1:19:22.907 And he's showing those signs really, and I mean there's 1:19:22.947 --> 1:19:26.507 others as well. Who I mean, I'm sure you probably 1:19:26.987 --> 1:19:29.667 had your notebook out during the game, pony, But I 1:19:29.907 --> 1:19:33.387 did enjoy the work of the wingers. I think how 1:19:33.507 --> 1:19:37.947 busy both Carter and morebr is just the way that 1:19:38.027 --> 1:19:41.427 your blacks need to be. They just do so much work. 1:19:41.627 --> 1:19:43.907 And then Peter Larkeye as well. You can just see 1:19:43.947 --> 1:19:46.747 that he's a superstar in the making, isn't he. 1:19:46.947 --> 1:19:48.947 Yeah, a lot of guys sticking their hands up and saying, 1:19:49.147 --> 1:19:51.187 have a look at me, And so the Test election 1:19:51.307 --> 1:19:54.227 will be very interesting. Hey, just before you go, it's 1:19:54.267 --> 1:19:57.987 been fun watching Bangladesh play Australia and cricket and Darwin 1:19:58.347 --> 1:20:01.027 and give them a bit of a tickle up. 1:20:02.187 --> 1:20:02.387 Yeah. 1:20:02.547 --> 1:20:05.907 Well, the Darwin Award is usually awarded to somebody who's 1:20:06.347 --> 1:20:09.027 completely stupid and comes a cropper with something, you know. 1:20:09.187 --> 1:20:11.907 And so I look at this and it's quite ironic 1:20:12.027 --> 1:20:14.787 that they've gone decided to take them to this outpost. 1:20:15.187 --> 1:20:18.587 Bangladesh not worthy of the MCG or the SCG. I mean, no, 1:20:18.667 --> 1:20:20.787 it's the wrong time of the year, but you know, 1:20:21.027 --> 1:20:23.667 this is the whole thing. They're not playing a boxing 1:20:23.787 --> 1:20:25.627 day Test with Bangladesh. 1:20:25.707 --> 1:20:26.027 Are they? 1:20:26.147 --> 1:20:30.107 So I'm actually really happy that the Bangs are hopefully, 1:20:30.307 --> 1:20:33.067 hopefully going to get their first ever win in Australia. 1:20:33.507 --> 1:20:35.747 And it is massive because I looked at the Australian 1:20:35.827 --> 1:20:38.507 team it looks pretty stacked to me. It is so 1:20:38.827 --> 1:20:42.067 hard to get a win over there. The last time 1:20:42.147 --> 1:20:44.987 New Zealand did it we all know, twenty eleven, the 1:20:45.067 --> 1:20:49.427 Hobart Test, the Dougie Bracewall Test. Ross Taylor was captain. 1:20:49.667 --> 1:20:52.027 It is so hard to get a win in Australia. 1:20:53.227 --> 1:20:54.067 This is the whole thing. 1:20:54.547 --> 1:20:56.907 Would you like some Bangladesh stats to finish off the 1:20:56.987 --> 1:20:57.707 segment party? 1:20:57.907 --> 1:20:58.347 Of course? 1:20:58.827 --> 1:21:02.627 Of course a country of one hundred and seventy eight 1:21:02.787 --> 1:21:06.747 million people in an area the size of the South Island, 1:21:07.107 --> 1:21:10.147 and of course most of that area is the Ganges Delta, 1:21:10.707 --> 1:21:14.307 which is extremely prone to flooding. That's three hundred and 1:21:14.347 --> 1:21:16.907 fifty five kilometers wide, the Ganges Delta. 1:21:17.067 --> 1:21:17.987 So you know. 1:21:19.627 --> 1:21:22.747 This is not an easy place to live. And I 1:21:22.987 --> 1:21:25.747 think that Bangladesh has been waiting. This is the sport 1:21:25.827 --> 1:21:30.227 they care about and we should all rejoice. And it's 1:21:30.307 --> 1:21:34.107 not about well, it is partly about being Australian let's 1:21:34.147 --> 1:21:36.187 be honest. It's definitely about that. 1:21:37.507 --> 1:21:43.667 Magnifique mersi monsieur mccarnee. I don't know why I'm putting 1:21:43.707 --> 1:21:45.787 a free checks ind on this, but it's been great 1:21:45.827 --> 1:21:47.267 attentions always. 1:21:48.827 --> 1:21:52.827 Mersi bientto porsi. 1:21:53.027 --> 1:21:53.947 What next time? 1:21:54.147 --> 1:21:56.587 I'll be back in la nouvels alone. 1:21:56.627 --> 1:21:59.427 I can't wait, hold on, we can't wait either. Travel safe, mate, 1:21:59.547 --> 1:22:02.107 travel safe. James mccony big part of our sundays here 1:22:02.427 --> 1:22:04.427 on Weekend Sport on NEWSTALKB seven or two. 1:22:05.307 --> 1:22:09.387 When there's a mine, it's your call. Weekend Sport with 1:22:09.707 --> 1:22:11.867 Jason Vine, News Talk SAB. 1:22:12.827 --> 1:22:15.027 Four to two. Pinty. The Warriors are building well. As 1:22:15.067 --> 1:22:17.587 a keyw I'm half on the bandwagon, but my Roosters 1:22:17.627 --> 1:22:19.507 are still in it and building two. Looking forward to 1:22:19.627 --> 1:22:25.027 Roosters be Warriors with nervous trepidation. Seriously though it could 1:22:25.067 --> 1:22:28.227 be a repeat of the two Roosters Warriors Grand Final. 1:22:28.747 --> 1:22:30.907 Maybe it'll be third time lucky for the Warriors and 1:22:30.987 --> 1:22:33.827 I wouldn't be too upset. Thanks for the text. Another 1:22:33.867 --> 1:22:35.627 one here from Macus is Piney. I'll get to give 1:22:35.667 --> 1:22:37.947 a little page going to get you to the NRL 1:22:38.027 --> 1:22:41.427 Grand Final and find a pub for you to broadcast from. 1:22:41.947 --> 1:22:43.947 Good stuff maca very on brand for me when I 1:22:44.027 --> 1:22:46.587 travel around here. Find a pub to broadcast from. We're 1:22:46.587 --> 1:22:48.667 going to piv it back to rugby after two Hurricanes 1:22:48.747 --> 1:22:50.307 co owner Malcolm Gillies is with. 1:22:50.387 --> 1:22:54.747 Us, the only place to discuss the biggest sports issues 1:22:55.067 --> 1:22:57.827 on or head off the field. 1:22:58.147 --> 1:22:59.067 Got a store a look. 1:22:59.307 --> 1:23:02.307 It's all on Weekend Sport with Jason Vine and the 1:23:02.467 --> 1:23:06.267 udi Q seven Dynamic Black Runout edition on Youth Talk, 1:23:07.027 --> 1:23:08.067 your home of sport. 1:23:09.387 --> 1:23:11.587 Hello there, this is Weekend Sport on News TALKSB for 1:23:11.627 --> 1:23:13.747 another hour or so and then Tim Beverage in the 1:23:13.827 --> 1:23:17.267 chair the Sunday edition of the Weekend Collective. Good to 1:23:17.307 --> 1:23:19.907 have you along. We're going to celebrate one of the 1:23:20.107 --> 1:23:25.187 great Paralympic achievements in our history this hour. Thirty years ago, 1:23:26.267 --> 1:23:29.987 swimmer Dwayne Kale won six medals, four of them gold, 1:23:30.587 --> 1:23:33.467 at the Atlanta Paralympics. He's going to join us for 1:23:33.507 --> 1:23:39.627 a reminis Malcolm Gillies, shortly co owner and chair of 1:23:39.667 --> 1:23:44.467 the Hurricanes. We'ent from Steve Lancaster yesterday regarding the sustainability 1:23:44.507 --> 1:23:46.747 of the Super Rugby competition. This is the wake of 1:23:46.827 --> 1:23:50.187 a report during the week that was well, I was 1:23:50.187 --> 1:23:52.667 going to say published, it was actually leaked during the week. 1:23:52.707 --> 1:23:55.947 It's a Deloitte report commissioned by the super rugby sides 1:23:55.987 --> 1:23:58.747 here about the state of their finances and what the 1:23:58.787 --> 1:24:01.707 future could and should look like. Malcolm gillies on that 1:24:01.787 --> 1:24:03.947 your thoughts are welcome to just going to mop up 1:24:03.987 --> 1:24:05.947 a couple of texts. Well, I've got the child's pinty 1:24:05.947 --> 1:24:10.147 habit of out out for Auckland FC heading to Saudi 1:24:10.187 --> 1:24:12.427 Arabia this week to playing the World Club Champions Tournament. 1:24:12.707 --> 1:24:17.907 Thanks Mike Yip, go well Auckland FC. Fini the Warrior's 1:24:17.987 --> 1:24:22.707 side says this one. Let me bring it up from James. 1:24:22.867 --> 1:24:26.907 This Warrior's side is playing like the Crusaders, calm, clinical 1:24:27.467 --> 1:24:31.747 and ruthlessly efficient. I'm loving the league. Bring on the 1:24:31.787 --> 1:24:35.547 finals up the worst Chahoo, thanks James, and Andy asks 1:24:35.707 --> 1:24:38.787 not my ending, but and Andy on text unless he's 1:24:38.827 --> 1:24:41.707 texted rather than just spoken to me. Finey. If the 1:24:41.707 --> 1:24:48.827 Warriors win, will they take the Helberg off Foxy. Well, 1:24:48.827 --> 1:24:50.547 it'll be a nice problem for the judges to have, 1:24:50.627 --> 1:24:53.987 wouldn't it. I kind of get the feeling that a 1:24:54.107 --> 1:24:56.787 major golf win Mike Trump and then our Relwin. I 1:24:56.867 --> 1:24:59.067 think Warriors would certainly be in the running for Team 1:24:59.147 --> 1:25:02.387 of the Year, wouldn't they imagine if both of those 1:25:02.467 --> 1:25:07.147 things are on the table for Hellberg judging the Warriors, 1:25:07.227 --> 1:25:11.507 making us all believe. Eight minutes past two, as we 1:25:11.587 --> 1:25:14.507 always do on weekend sported around about this time, let's 1:25:14.507 --> 1:25:15.947 bring you up to date with some of the stuff 1:25:15.947 --> 1:25:21.267 that's been happening in and around your consciousness in case 1:25:21.267 --> 1:25:26.987 your mister. Bangladesh continue to have control in their cricket 1:25:27.027 --> 1:25:31.507 Test against Australia and Darwin Mason joind that turning into him, 1:25:35.707 --> 1:25:39.507 Oh does he know? He doesn't on this occasion. They're 1:25:39.627 --> 1:25:45.307 so great through the numbers can often tell a lie. 1:25:45.667 --> 1:25:48.347 On this occasion, Steve Smith willing to turn to the 1:25:48.427 --> 1:25:52.627 left side, chips it back and the belief it's real here. 1:25:52.747 --> 1:25:56.387 So that was Steve Smith out earlier. Australia two twenty 1:25:56.547 --> 1:26:00.067 four for seven. Now in their second innings they trail 1:26:00.147 --> 1:26:03.707 by four runs, but they have just three second innings 1:26:03.747 --> 1:26:07.347 wickets in hand and this is only Dave four could 1:26:07.347 --> 1:26:10.347 be a famous day for Bangladesh in the NRL. The 1:26:10.467 --> 1:26:15.387 Sharks are tumbling out of the top four finding get 1:26:15.427 --> 1:26:16.027 away from. 1:26:15.907 --> 1:26:20.347 One tackle, look to offline to tape comes all the way. 1:26:21.427 --> 1:26:24.427 Talk about a captain's knock. He was held for a 1:26:24.587 --> 1:26:27.067 long long way, but just kept. 1:26:26.907 --> 1:26:30.147 Going forward and next minute he gets his. 1:26:30.427 --> 1:26:34.427 First try of the season. Back to back losses for 1:26:34.547 --> 1:26:37.147 the Sharks, the Raiders winning twenty four to twenty. The 1:26:37.267 --> 1:26:42.267 Eels meantime stunned the Cowboys. Moses splits the Pasts. 1:26:42.867 --> 1:26:44.307 It may as well wait the sea. 1:26:45.147 --> 1:26:47.827 Paravata's head clap by two with five to. 1:26:47.947 --> 1:26:50.827 Go and one at thirty two thirty, making a top 1:26:50.907 --> 1:26:53.907 eight spot far from a sure thing for the North 1:26:53.947 --> 1:26:57.987 Queenslanders to the NPC. A thriller with the ran fully 1:26:58.107 --> 1:27:00.547 shield on the sideline in christ here. But it's a 1:27:00.627 --> 1:27:05.347 two extra time, Oh coy now Roberts a tumaata cannot 1:27:05.827 --> 1:27:09.867 cannary head it hand'll do it. Cannebik to get rid 1:27:09.907 --> 1:27:14.027 of it. And the red belly showed stays. 1:27:13.627 --> 1:27:18.107 At Custer Day three pints to twenty eight, tin. 1:27:17.987 --> 1:27:20.107 Everywhere, Yeah, the Red and Blacks holding off a storming 1:27:20.147 --> 1:27:22.627 finish from the Steamers to keep the logwood. The Magpies 1:27:22.707 --> 1:27:24.787 meantime broke their Eden pak. 1:27:24.867 --> 1:27:32.107 Duck clouds Sullivan signe Racing dumps it down. How big 1:27:32.227 --> 1:27:36.787 could that be? As the lead now extended to eight. 1:27:36.707 --> 1:27:39.667 The forty four to thirty one win Hawkspace, first win 1:27:39.707 --> 1:27:43.947 an eating Parks since nineteen sixty nine and late heartbreak 1:27:43.987 --> 1:27:46.187 from unaware two inside the five. 1:27:47.027 --> 1:27:49.147 Now they come, why Pillergrenie. 1:27:50.147 --> 1:27:50.747 Till the money? 1:27:50.867 --> 1:27:55.547 It doesn't like to take off McDonald mats so let 1:27:55.627 --> 1:27:58.707 the sensation in a finish for MX. 1:27:58.507 --> 1:28:02.427 File and water pass, water. 1:28:02.267 --> 1:28:07.707 Play, water finish, Oh Tiger devastation for the home. 1:28:07.627 --> 1:28:10.787 Team and it's yeah Otago storming back late to win 1:28:10.867 --> 1:28:13.467 at twenty nine twenty seven, and finally there's a new 1:28:13.707 --> 1:28:17.267 dance champion of New Zealand, the Light seen he's known. 1:28:17.227 --> 1:28:18.947 At Bullseyite for the win again. 1:28:18.747 --> 1:28:26.707 Any since Wow Sonny Clayton years a deal with Twice 1:28:26.747 --> 1:28:27.147 for the New. 1:28:27.187 --> 1:28:32.547 Zealand Darts Master's Tiny He turns the tables. 1:28:33.147 --> 1:28:35.627 Yes, he took the Senate group there with a number. 1:28:35.427 --> 1:28:38.267 Of match dot flown, but he finally gets there. 1:28:38.347 --> 1:28:42.667 Johnny Clayton, from brilliant victories to battling selections, It's all 1:28:42.787 --> 1:28:46.747 fair game on Weekend Sports with Jason Vine and the 1:28:46.827 --> 1:28:50.867 outi Q seven Dynamic Black Runout Edition available Whilstock's last 1:28:51.027 --> 1:28:51.947 news talks endv. 1:28:52.587 --> 1:28:57.067 Twelve minutes past two. The financial vulnerability of New Zealand's 1:28:57.067 --> 1:28:59.627 five Super Rugby clubs has been laid bare and a 1:28:59.707 --> 1:29:03.867 wide ranging Deloitte report it's called Building the Competition the 1:29:03.947 --> 1:29:08.147 Game Needs, has been prepared injunction with the chief executives 1:29:08.187 --> 1:29:10.827 and executives of each of the New Zealand clubs. The 1:29:10.947 --> 1:29:14.067 report produced to explore how they could reset the competition 1:29:14.267 --> 1:29:17.347 through negotiations with New Zealand Rugby, and it noted, among 1:29:17.427 --> 1:29:20.147 other things, that between twenty nineteen and twenty twenty five, 1:29:20.467 --> 1:29:24.707 each New Zealand franchise reported at least one annual net loss. 1:29:25.227 --> 1:29:27.587 There have only been two instances in which a New 1:29:27.667 --> 1:29:30.547 Zealand club would have posted a profit without a cash 1:29:30.627 --> 1:29:34.707 injection from New Zealand Rugby. All five clubs were cumulatively 1:29:34.947 --> 1:29:38.707 unprofitable across the last six years and if things don't change, 1:29:38.747 --> 1:29:42.347 they could collectively be losing twenty million dollars a year 1:29:42.867 --> 1:29:46.547 within five years. Let's bring in the Hurricanes chair and 1:29:46.747 --> 1:29:50.027 co owner Malcolm Gillies. Malcolm, thanks for your time this afternoon. 1:29:50.067 --> 1:29:52.947 You've been pretty clear about the state of Super rugby, 1:29:53.027 --> 1:29:57.027 saying it won't survive without change. Having now seen this 1:29:57.427 --> 1:30:01.107 Deloitte report, how serious do you think the situation is? 1:30:02.987 --> 1:30:07.907 Well, I think it's exciting, I mean effective. What this 1:30:08.067 --> 1:30:11.467 report is put out there is Look, it's time to change. 1:30:11.987 --> 1:30:13.947 I mean the state of our game at the moment 1:30:14.507 --> 1:30:17.387 on the field is it's never been better. I mean 1:30:17.747 --> 1:30:20.227 after watching the hurricanes and type of rugby, their plane 1:30:20.267 --> 1:30:23.747 and the increased crowd attendances. So that part's good. I 1:30:23.787 --> 1:30:27.147 think what's really exciting now is that all the parties, 1:30:27.387 --> 1:30:31.107 all the stakeholders, you know, after seeing that report. That 1:30:31.307 --> 1:30:36.467 report was about basically producing a compelling argument that changes 1:30:37.107 --> 1:30:39.467 is necessary. And I think the good thing is now 1:30:39.587 --> 1:30:42.867 that everyone's accepted that and it's about looking about the 1:30:42.947 --> 1:30:45.507 way forward. We're just you know, it's just time to 1:30:45.627 --> 1:30:48.667 change the model, get more private investment in there. 1:30:49.147 --> 1:30:51.787 Have we just outgrown the current super rugby model? 1:30:51.907 --> 1:30:54.547 Malcolm, I think, yeah, the. 1:30:54.587 --> 1:30:58.347 Business model needed changing and that happens in a lot 1:30:58.427 --> 1:31:00.987 of businesses, and it's you know, it can also it 1:31:01.067 --> 1:31:03.707 can be very positive because what it does now is 1:31:03.787 --> 1:31:07.347 gives us the opportunities to bring everyone together, have a 1:31:07.427 --> 1:31:10.027 look at what we've got and what we can make 1:31:10.107 --> 1:31:12.347 out of it. And you know, there's lots and lots 1:31:12.387 --> 1:31:15.107 of oversy comparisons when you look at NL, when you 1:31:15.187 --> 1:31:17.827 look at a lot of the other sports. There's some 1:31:17.987 --> 1:31:20.827 really good models that we can look at, and hopefully 1:31:20.947 --> 1:31:24.507 it's time now that we can jointly come together and 1:31:24.707 --> 1:31:28.347 create something that is investible so that private investment wants 1:31:28.387 --> 1:31:31.627 to get involved and take it forward, because that's what 1:31:31.747 --> 1:31:34.987 it needs. It needs the ability for people to invest 1:31:35.107 --> 1:31:39.227 in it. You should be it shouldn't just be the 1:31:39.347 --> 1:31:42.747 rugby union's problem. You know, it should be something that 1:31:43.147 --> 1:31:46.387 we can there's a franchise we can encourage investment in. 1:31:47.067 --> 1:31:49.867 How difficult is it to attract private investment under the 1:31:49.987 --> 1:31:50.707 current model? 1:31:51.427 --> 1:31:55.067 Well, look, it's very very difficult. It's really not investable, 1:31:55.467 --> 1:31:58.267 let's be honest. And that's why the model needs to 1:31:58.307 --> 1:32:00.827 be changed so that it allows more investment. 1:32:02.107 --> 1:32:04.907 What does change look like? What would you like to see? 1:32:06.467 --> 1:32:09.027 I said, you know, there's a lot of models out there. 1:32:09.467 --> 1:32:13.587 I think it's too early for me to necessarily put 1:32:13.707 --> 1:32:15.987 on the on the table what I exactly want. I 1:32:16.067 --> 1:32:18.907 think this has got to be something that everyone, all 1:32:18.947 --> 1:32:21.787 the stakeholders agree on. But there are some very, very 1:32:21.787 --> 1:32:25.747 good models out there aren't there? Yeah, And and I 1:32:25.787 --> 1:32:27.987 don't think you have to be. It's not rocket science. 1:32:28.547 --> 1:32:32.307 It's about what works best for you know, Super rugby 1:32:32.627 --> 1:32:36.427 and Super Rugby is very very important to our ecosystem. 1:32:36.827 --> 1:32:40.547 You know, that's that's if Super rugby's working properly. You 1:32:40.627 --> 1:32:43.907 know the main role is to produce quality all blacks 1:32:43.947 --> 1:32:45.427 and quality black firms, isn't it. 1:32:45.707 --> 1:32:49.587 Yeah? Yeah, And and but be underpinned in a in 1:32:49.667 --> 1:32:54.027 a commercially viable and profitable way. So are we are 1:32:54.067 --> 1:32:56.867 we talking privatization here, Malcolm? Is that what we're talking about? 1:32:57.547 --> 1:32:57.707 Yeah? 1:32:57.747 --> 1:32:59.947 I think we are. I think what we're looking at 1:33:00.107 --> 1:33:03.827 is the ability for private people to get involved, to 1:33:03.947 --> 1:33:07.267 take the burden off New Zealand Rugby shouldn't just be 1:33:07.467 --> 1:33:10.307 their problem. And I think once that's you know, once 1:33:10.347 --> 1:33:13.227 we've done that, and New Zealand Rugby perhaps steps back 1:33:13.267 --> 1:33:16.707 a little bit and lets the Super Rugbys take responsibility. 1:33:16.747 --> 1:33:19.027 I mean, the Super teams aren't saying to you know, 1:33:19.107 --> 1:33:21.187 they're not going with their handout to New Zealand Rugby 1:33:21.227 --> 1:33:24.707 and say hey, give us somebody to fix this. They're saying, hey, 1:33:25.747 --> 1:33:28.387 we know that we have an issue here, and we 1:33:28.627 --> 1:33:31.227 know as a group that we have the ability to 1:33:31.387 --> 1:33:33.787 change it, and we want to change it, and we 1:33:33.867 --> 1:33:35.707 want to bring everyone along on the journey. 1:33:36.347 --> 1:33:38.427 So the change from New Zealand Rugby's point of view, 1:33:38.467 --> 1:33:41.707 I guess would mean that they would need to relinquish 1:33:41.747 --> 1:33:43.467 a little bit of control, wouldn't they. Is that what 1:33:43.547 --> 1:33:45.747 we're talking about here, and enable the clubs, either by 1:33:45.787 --> 1:33:49.707 themselves or collectively to explore commercial opportunities things like that. 1:33:49.907 --> 1:33:52.467 Is that is that kind of the guts of it. 1:33:53.227 --> 1:33:55.627 Yeah, Look, I think that's part of it. I think 1:33:55.707 --> 1:33:58.667 what it is is part of this whole process is 1:33:59.187 --> 1:34:01.627 sitting down and working out the foundation of the wagon. 1:34:02.107 --> 1:34:05.307 You know, what does what does New Zealand Rugby let 1:34:05.387 --> 1:34:07.827 go and what do they get in return and what 1:34:07.987 --> 1:34:10.627 do the stakeholders? So there's a lot of work to 1:34:10.707 --> 1:34:13.867 be done. But what I can say is everyone is 1:34:14.027 --> 1:34:17.747 very positive about working through this for the betterment of 1:34:17.827 --> 1:34:21.267 all rugby, not just Super Rugby Club rugby, the whole 1:34:21.347 --> 1:34:22.427 rugby ecosystem. 1:34:22.787 --> 1:34:24.947 So optimism, yeah, I mean that's been a word on 1:34:25.027 --> 1:34:27.467 the field for the All Blacks. You're optimistic that the 1:34:27.587 --> 1:34:30.507 change will come if if everybody's willing to sit around 1:34:30.587 --> 1:34:33.827 and chart the way forward totally. 1:34:33.947 --> 1:34:37.027 I mean, what I'm optimistic about is that I feel 1:34:37.507 --> 1:34:40.347 New Zealand Rugby has shown some great leadership in the 1:34:40.467 --> 1:34:44.387 last couple of years. They've made some big decisions. I 1:34:44.467 --> 1:34:47.387 don't think they're scared to make decisions, and I think 1:34:47.387 --> 1:34:49.107 they're up for it. And I think all of us 1:34:50.067 --> 1:34:54.107 have rugby, you know, we're all keen to see whatever 1:34:54.187 --> 1:34:56.307 we do is for the good of rugby, not just 1:34:56.427 --> 1:34:58.067 Super Rugby, but the whole of rugby. 1:34:58.347 --> 1:34:59.987 So what are the next steps here, Malcolm? Are there 1:35:00.067 --> 1:35:02.067 meeting schedule? What happens from here? 1:35:02.147 --> 1:35:07.067 Look, that report obviously was leaked in out by someone 1:35:07.267 --> 1:35:10.667 for I don't know. I can't imagine it was for 1:35:10.827 --> 1:35:13.747 positive reasons, but I personally I can't see any negative 1:35:13.747 --> 1:35:16.147 set have come out of it anyway. But yes, there 1:35:16.227 --> 1:35:19.587 are all stakeholders. Now there's a plan to move forward 1:35:21.027 --> 1:35:23.827 and you know, work on where we go next. So 1:35:23.947 --> 1:35:27.067 there is a plan in place and there are schedule meetings. 1:35:27.227 --> 1:35:30.147 Fantastic. Well, look forward to staying in touch to keep 1:35:30.227 --> 1:35:32.347 up todate with progress. Malcolm. Thanks for joining us today. 1:35:32.947 --> 1:35:36.747 Well, thank you for the opportunity and go to the Hurricanes. 1:35:38.467 --> 1:35:44.947 We know the Hurricanes first Next, Malcolm Hurricanes chair and 1:35:45.027 --> 1:35:48.267 Cone and Malcolm Gillies with us on Weekend Sport. Can 1:35:48.347 --> 1:35:50.947 you hear your thoughts on the evolution of super rugby? 1:35:50.947 --> 1:35:52.627 We chated a bit about this yesterday, we didn't really 1:35:52.667 --> 1:35:55.147 give everybody on the air and didn't really break it 1:35:55.227 --> 1:35:57.187 down in the detail. Perhaps we could have so a 1:35:57.307 --> 1:35:59.307 chance to do that now. Our eight hundred and eighty 1:35:59.467 --> 1:36:03.987 ten eighty privatization the buzzword for a lot of sports 1:36:04.067 --> 1:36:06.627 right now. Netbor New Zealand has a proposal in front 1:36:06.627 --> 1:36:09.267 of it for next year's domestic competition. We know that 1:36:09.707 --> 1:36:12.387 NZ twenty has been given the green light for our 1:36:12.467 --> 1:36:16.667 domestic T twenty competition from the summer after next, and 1:36:16.747 --> 1:36:19.907 now rugby looks like it'll need to explore the possibility 1:36:20.507 --> 1:36:24.507 of it anyway to ensure a sustainable super rugby comp 1:36:24.667 --> 1:36:28.187 moving forward. Now, the word privatization and the concept of 1:36:28.267 --> 1:36:31.427 private equity or private investment into sport seems to carry 1:36:31.467 --> 1:36:33.987 with it in some quarters anyway, some negative connotations. There's 1:36:34.027 --> 1:36:37.187 a feeling that someone who pumps money into a sporting 1:36:37.267 --> 1:36:40.867 team or a competition will care far more about a 1:36:40.987 --> 1:36:44.627 financial return than the sport they're investing in. But Super 1:36:44.747 --> 1:36:47.747 Rugby needs more investment to grow and to thrive. And 1:36:47.787 --> 1:36:49.827 while New Zealand Rugby is seem happy at the moment 1:36:49.907 --> 1:36:53.827 to prop up balance sheets in order to retain control 1:36:53.907 --> 1:36:56.827 of the competition and as players, that isn't really a 1:36:56.907 --> 1:36:59.707 sound business modelism. There's a school of thought that New 1:36:59.787 --> 1:37:02.627 Zealand Rugby giving up control of the players to the 1:37:02.707 --> 1:37:08.987 franchises will somehow be de trumental to the all blacks people. 1:37:09.387 --> 1:37:13.147 I think use a football example as a comparison, where 1:37:13.787 --> 1:37:16.147 the top clubs in the world are often reluctant to 1:37:16.267 --> 1:37:20.547 release their players for international games. But this is an 1:37:20.787 --> 1:37:25.467 entirely different scenario. Every rugby player in New Zealand aspires 1:37:25.507 --> 1:37:28.307 to being all black. There's no way team owners and 1:37:28.387 --> 1:37:32.627 shareholders will do anything that prevents that from happening. And 1:37:32.707 --> 1:37:35.227 when Steve Lancaster, New Zealand Rugby CEO, was on the 1:37:35.267 --> 1:37:38.107 show yesterday, he said Super Rugby exists for two reasons. 1:37:39.147 --> 1:37:43.507 Two reasons to create a strong all blacks team and 1:37:43.627 --> 1:37:46.387 to be exciting for people to watch, which leads to 1:37:46.467 --> 1:37:50.627 it being commercially attractive. Now those things can both exist 1:37:51.987 --> 1:37:55.747 under a model that has greater private investment, creating a 1:37:55.827 --> 1:38:01.267 strong All Blacks team and being good to watch. Greater 1:38:01.347 --> 1:38:03.747 private investment won't hurt either of those things. In fact, 1:38:03.747 --> 1:38:07.747 it'll enhance them. One of the recommendations of the Deloitte 1:38:07.787 --> 1:38:11.787 report was more than doubling the salary cap, and that'll 1:38:11.907 --> 1:38:14.787 keep and attract the best players to the competition. The 1:38:14.907 --> 1:38:18.267 game of rugby at professional level here needs more private investment, 1:38:18.307 --> 1:38:22.427 and at the moment it's not an attractive investment proposition. 1:38:22.507 --> 1:38:25.067 Why would you invest in a money losing venture. But 1:38:25.147 --> 1:38:29.267 if super Rugby can be reimagined and team ownership becomes 1:38:29.307 --> 1:38:32.707 a more appealing commercial proposition, then the two aims of 1:38:32.747 --> 1:38:36.827 the competition will continue to be served. A strong All 1:38:36.867 --> 1:38:43.267 Black site and a compelling, watchable Super Rugby competition. Oh 1:38:43.307 --> 1:38:46.867 eight hundred and eighty ten eighty, your thoughts are welcome, Mars. 1:38:46.907 --> 1:38:48.187 Hello mate, Ye. 1:38:48.627 --> 1:38:52.227 Mate, you know I listened to that previous broken You 1:38:52.307 --> 1:38:55.267 know a shareholder in Wellington and I disagree with them totally, 1:38:56.387 --> 1:38:58.627 and the reason being I've spent at a time in England. 1:38:58.667 --> 1:39:01.267 I'll followed UMT English rugby. It's all private over there. 1:39:01.907 --> 1:39:03.867 When the money runs out, they just wind the clubs 1:39:03.867 --> 1:39:06.547 down or they go broke in England has a whole 1:39:06.547 --> 1:39:10.307 lot of issues under that regime and getting players available 1:39:10.307 --> 1:39:13.947 for England, so it's not a great thing. What makes 1:39:14.027 --> 1:39:16.947 us different in New Zealand is the all It's very, 1:39:17.067 --> 1:39:20.667 very strong, and that's everyone's dream. I've got a boy 1:39:20.707 --> 1:39:23.267 in the Sacred Heart surs Esteem. His dream is now 1:39:23.387 --> 1:39:26.387 to be in All Black right, and that's his dream. 1:39:27.227 --> 1:39:29.427 If Super Rugby you can make so much money there, 1:39:30.107 --> 1:39:32.867 the dream changes. And then it comes about the money 1:39:32.907 --> 1:39:34.587 because they want to double the salary caps, they want 1:39:34.627 --> 1:39:36.027 to do all that, they want to pay them more. 1:39:37.027 --> 1:39:41.427 So I think by privatizing New Zealand rugby that's not 1:39:41.467 --> 1:39:43.547 the way forward. Those clubs need to have a look 1:39:43.587 --> 1:39:44.787 at it. But I mean I've had a look at 1:39:44.787 --> 1:39:46.907 all their websites and how many staff they employed, all 1:39:46.947 --> 1:39:50.067 the nonsense. The rugby is the simple game. You want 1:39:50.067 --> 1:39:52.427 to make money, shave out your head office. And the 1:39:52.507 --> 1:39:55.987 same issue it's happening in New Zealand with harness racing 1:39:56.507 --> 1:39:58.987 and the gallops. They want to sell all the stuff off. 1:39:59.067 --> 1:40:01.107 You know, we're going to do this and we're going 1:40:01.147 --> 1:40:02.947 to tentralize everything. We're going to make it great. You're 1:40:02.987 --> 1:40:04.787 not going to make it great, they're selling off ed. 1:40:04.867 --> 1:40:07.987 It's to pay the wages, the head offers, and we're 1:40:08.067 --> 1:40:12.867 hitting down that slippery slope and we're comportizing everything. We've got, 1:40:12.907 --> 1:40:15.387 head at communications, you've got public relations, you name that 1:40:15.547 --> 1:40:17.707 I've got. These people are on huge money and do 1:40:17.827 --> 1:40:20.467 you need that they need to sectarize parts of the whole, 1:40:20.547 --> 1:40:24.667 dear organizations, And rugby is a simple game, bring players through, 1:40:25.067 --> 1:40:26.307 your coach and your play. 1:40:27.827 --> 1:40:29.827 But so what's the what's the alternative though, Marris? Is 1:40:29.827 --> 1:40:34.147 the alternative that that the clubs continue to lose money? 1:40:34.347 --> 1:40:34.507 Is that? 1:40:34.707 --> 1:40:37.427 Is that the is that the alternative? 1:40:38.067 --> 1:40:39.907 No, the alternative is the clubs that you need to 1:40:39.947 --> 1:40:42.027 shave the head office and start cutting some costs and 1:40:42.067 --> 1:40:44.387 stop being ostentatious. The clubs that you're going to look 1:40:44.387 --> 1:40:46.867 at reality rugby issues? 1:40:46.907 --> 1:40:48.307 Are you go watch talk complete? 1:40:48.707 --> 1:40:51.827 We've got fifteen thousand people and a sixty thousand people stadium. 1:40:52.507 --> 1:40:54.947 What does it cost to use eden part? What does 1:40:55.027 --> 1:40:57.107 it cost for a target use a stadium? What are 1:40:57.147 --> 1:40:59.147 those stadiums costs when you're not following them up? But 1:40:59.227 --> 1:41:02.187 it seems to me games the issue, the rules of 1:41:02.187 --> 1:41:04.667 the issue, and no one goes to watch it you 1:41:04.707 --> 1:41:06.787 know this year. So I spoke to when he guides 1:41:06.827 --> 1:41:08.867 at the WHOPI Tevan when that first all tests come 1:41:08.867 --> 1:41:10.987 out with a change the day, when they really enjoyed 1:41:11.027 --> 1:41:12.587 the test and open the way they played and all 1:41:12.627 --> 1:41:16.147 the rest of it. It's actually not an attractive game 1:41:16.267 --> 1:41:18.267 to watch and you don't enjoy it. But I'm enjoying 1:41:18.307 --> 1:41:21.827 the NPC at the moment. You know, I enjoyed yesterday 1:41:21.907 --> 1:41:25.987 going watching Kelston play Grammar in the one A final, 1:41:26.747 --> 1:41:28.227 but I don't enjoy the Super rugby. 1:41:28.947 --> 1:41:31.747 Yeah, so I'm the I'm the opposite Marris. I don't 1:41:31.787 --> 1:41:33.227 think that there is I don't think there is a 1:41:34.267 --> 1:41:36.707 there is a problem with the rugby that we're watching. 1:41:36.787 --> 1:41:39.627 I think there's a marketability problem. I actually, I'd totally 1:41:39.627 --> 1:41:42.707 agree there's a marketability problem to get more people along. 1:41:42.787 --> 1:41:45.667 But I think I mean, viewer numbers are up, so 1:41:46.187 --> 1:41:49.787 that tells you that the product is attractive. I'm talking 1:41:49.787 --> 1:41:50.707 about TV viewer, is it. 1:41:51.507 --> 1:41:51.707 Yeah? 1:41:51.747 --> 1:41:54.347 TV viewers are up. But where these clubs make the money? 1:41:54.667 --> 1:41:56.147 Because remember is there if you make the money out 1:41:56.147 --> 1:41:58.347 of TV viewing and then they give it up. The 1:41:58.467 --> 1:42:02.067 money is made in them getting people into the stadium 1:42:02.067 --> 1:42:04.347 and filling it up and you look at it and 1:42:04.467 --> 1:42:06.227 that's half your issue is that you go to a 1:42:06.867 --> 1:42:09.947 was not full and you think he was. You go 1:42:10.067 --> 1:42:12.747 to the Warriors, and I am not a warrior of saying, 1:42:13.067 --> 1:42:15.987 but I've been here a couple of times and you 1:42:16.107 --> 1:42:18.867 want to go back and I don't bite rugby league. 1:42:19.827 --> 1:42:22.267 Yeah, I mean, but the other things, Marris, I mean 1:42:22.347 --> 1:42:26.467 the Warriors are privately owned, you know, so so you 1:42:26.547 --> 1:42:28.587 know there's there's a lot of things that play here. 1:42:28.627 --> 1:42:30.907 You talked about office staff, You're talking about venues, You're 1:42:30.947 --> 1:42:33.627 talked about rules. There's a lot of things here. If 1:42:33.667 --> 1:42:38.627 we if we bring it back to the the drive 1:42:38.787 --> 1:42:43.947 to have more private investment in rugby, then I think 1:42:44.467 --> 1:42:47.507 I think New Zealand rugby has to. I'm not saying 1:42:47.587 --> 1:42:51.187 relinquished control and the text are here. Club owners overseas 1:42:51.467 --> 1:42:55.627 with hold key players from test rugby, availability and money talks. 1:42:55.707 --> 1:43:00.027 Can you really see a time where a New Zealand 1:43:00.187 --> 1:43:02.547 Super rugby team and there are only five of them? 1:43:03.347 --> 1:43:08.067 Can you really see a time when when a club 1:43:08.107 --> 1:43:10.787 will withhold someone from international rugby? The answer is no, 1:43:11.067 --> 1:43:13.467 And you know the main reason the answer is no 1:43:14.147 --> 1:43:18.987 is because the season stoned overlap. Super Rugby is played 1:43:19.067 --> 1:43:22.987 before the international season. Yes, there's an ANZAC Daytest next year. 1:43:23.027 --> 1:43:27.267 We know that that's a new innovation. But Super Rugby 1:43:27.307 --> 1:43:29.747 teams won't be able to withhold their players from playing 1:43:29.787 --> 1:43:33.987 for the All Blacks because once the international season arrives, 1:43:34.267 --> 1:43:36.787 the Super Rugby season is over. So we can strike 1:43:36.867 --> 1:43:41.587 that out straight away. One twenty seven News Talks itb 1:43:41.867 --> 1:43:43.707 oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Time for a 1:43:43.747 --> 1:43:44.827 few more calls back after. 1:43:44.747 --> 1:43:48.907 This big calls, Big moments we cand sport with Jason 1:43:48.987 --> 1:43:51.947 Vine and the out e Q seven Dynamic Black Runout 1:43:52.067 --> 1:43:55.347 edition from one thirty News Talks b. 1:43:56.307 --> 1:43:59.747 Text are here. Any sports strategic or any sports strategic 1:43:59.907 --> 1:44:03.387 planning and discussion that doesn't begin with building grassroots is 1:44:03.427 --> 1:44:08.387 fatally flawed. I totally agree. So instead of New Zealand 1:44:08.467 --> 1:44:12.227 Rugby propping up Super Rugby franchises, wouldn't that money be 1:44:12.307 --> 1:44:17.107 better used in other places like grassroots? Privatization of Super 1:44:17.187 --> 1:44:21.627 Rugby would allow that. At the moment, New Zealand Rugby 1:44:21.867 --> 1:44:28.227 is covering the losses of the Super Rugby teams, and 1:44:29.427 --> 1:44:34.467 the Deloitte report that's been leaked during the week suggests 1:44:34.667 --> 1:44:37.747 that five years from now, if nothing changes, the five 1:44:37.867 --> 1:44:43.387 clubs will lose cumulatively. Cumulatively, I should just say collectively 1:44:44.067 --> 1:44:47.107 twenty million a year. Twenty million a year that can't 1:44:47.147 --> 1:44:50.907 be used for something else. So yes, grassroots should be 1:44:50.907 --> 1:44:54.387 a part of this discussion. Jason, don't you think says 1:44:54.507 --> 1:44:57.027 this text that rugby's been a bit boring in recent 1:44:57.147 --> 1:44:59.947 years stop start because of the rules and the TMO interference. 1:45:00.547 --> 1:45:03.387 I do agree, But Super Rugby did something about it 1:45:05.307 --> 1:45:08.227 under Jack Mesley. They changed it. They said no, we 1:45:08.307 --> 1:45:10.627 don't want the tmos coming in all the time. I 1:45:10.707 --> 1:45:12.627 think that's part of the reason why it's so jarring 1:45:12.667 --> 1:45:15.347 in international rugby at the moment is because we got 1:45:15.427 --> 1:45:19.267 used to a super rugby competition that didn't have endless 1:45:19.347 --> 1:45:24.267 TMO intervention. I totally agree. So look, I don't think 1:45:24.307 --> 1:45:27.627 that's a super rugby problem to wide A rugby problem, yes, 1:45:27.787 --> 1:45:31.307 but not a super rugby problem. 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Two thirty two Take another break, come back 1:45:58.667 --> 1:46:00.947 and celebrate thirty years on one of our all time 1:46:01.067 --> 1:46:03.267 great Paralympic performances. 1:46:03.507 --> 1:46:06.747 Spot doesn't start at the full time whistle weekend spoords 1:46:06.827 --> 1:46:10.107 with Jason Vine and the outing Q seven Dynamic Black 1:46:10.187 --> 1:46:14.027 Runout edition includes thirty thousand dollars of premium upgrades Call 1:46:14.347 --> 1:46:17.587 eight hundred and eighty ten eighty News Dogs'd be two. 1:46:17.587 --> 1:46:19.827 Thirty five on text? Would privatization end up with the 1:46:19.867 --> 1:46:23.347 French example of the club's dictating which players are available again? No, 1:46:23.907 --> 1:46:26.827 because Super Rugby doesn't run at the same time as 1:46:27.227 --> 1:46:30.107 International rugby thirty years ago? 1:46:30.267 --> 1:46:30.467 Can we? 1:46:30.547 --> 1:46:33.867 Swimmer Dwayne Kale produced one of New Zealand's all time 1:46:33.987 --> 1:46:37.867 great Paralympic performances at the Atlanta Games in nineteen ninety six. 1:46:37.907 --> 1:46:41.027 He competed in six events, the one hundred meter backstroke. 1:46:41.107 --> 1:46:44.547 He won bronze, fifty meter freestyle a new world record 1:46:44.627 --> 1:46:47.547 in the heats, and silver in the final fifty meter 1:46:47.627 --> 1:46:51.107 butterfly gold, one hundred meter freestyle gold, two hundred meter 1:46:51.187 --> 1:46:55.787 freestyle gold, two hundred meter individual medley gold, six events, 1:46:56.187 --> 1:47:00.307 six medals, including four golds. One of the greatest achievements 1:47:00.347 --> 1:47:04.467 in our Paralympic and in fact, our sporting history. Dwayne 1:47:04.587 --> 1:47:07.627 Kale is with US Dwayne Hartebill. It's been thirty years 1:47:08.147 --> 1:47:12.227 since Atlanta. When someone mentions the ninety six Paralympic Games, 1:47:12.267 --> 1:47:14.267 do you what's the very first image or two that 1:47:14.507 --> 1:47:15.347 comes into your mind? 1:47:16.787 --> 1:47:20.067 Hey, Finy, thanks for the intro, and it is really 1:47:20.587 --> 1:47:22.147 going down down memory road. 1:47:23.387 --> 1:47:23.547 You know. 1:47:23.667 --> 1:47:26.547 The image that that comes back to me for Atlanta 1:47:26.867 --> 1:47:31.387 was really that, you know, this intersept where my life 1:47:31.427 --> 1:47:35.227 had been changed significantly, and to come out of there 1:47:35.427 --> 1:47:38.827 and on top of this sporting world stage, and you 1:47:38.867 --> 1:47:42.467 know that those two things could not have been so different. 1:47:43.187 --> 1:47:46.827 Been those days, early days of not going to walk 1:47:46.987 --> 1:47:49.107 and you know, what does disability mean? And I thought 1:47:49.187 --> 1:47:51.347 disability meets it in all corner and wait to die 1:47:52.187 --> 1:47:55.147 and that was probably an option. But you know, fortunately 1:47:55.547 --> 1:47:59.947 sports background and the sporting opportunity through Paralympics and that 1:48:00.147 --> 1:48:04.587 insect and just had everything came together for Atlanta was 1:48:04.667 --> 1:48:07.467 a real turning point and a sort of cemented for 1:48:07.627 --> 1:48:10.747 me of you know, there is a lot of opportunity 1:48:10.827 --> 1:48:13.827 your head, you know, and disability doesn't actually hold you back, 1:48:14.187 --> 1:48:16.987 doesn't define you, but it might shape the sort of 1:48:17.067 --> 1:48:19.347 things that you do and where you point your energy. 1:48:19.947 --> 1:48:25.267 Sport was something you absolutely loved before your injury. How 1:48:25.387 --> 1:48:28.587 devastating was it to hear those words you're not going 1:48:28.667 --> 1:48:29.267 to walk again. 1:48:31.067 --> 1:48:33.427 I was twenty two and at the time, like, I've 1:48:33.547 --> 1:48:37.707 never had any sort of real injury or certainly not surgery, 1:48:38.947 --> 1:48:41.507 and it just didn't compute that, you know, what do 1:48:41.547 --> 1:48:42.987 you mean, I'm not going to walk? And it was 1:48:43.227 --> 1:48:45.267 I remember saying that the dog. I said, well, just 1:48:45.387 --> 1:48:46.627 top out of my way a minute and I'll just 1:48:46.667 --> 1:48:48.387 get out of this bed and I'll show you how 1:48:48.387 --> 1:48:51.107 it will happened, and like collapsed on the floor. I think, oh, 1:48:51.307 --> 1:48:54.427 that's a bit odd. And you know, it took some 1:48:54.627 --> 1:48:57.187 time to adjust of and I think it was more 1:48:57.267 --> 1:49:01.907 that psychological piece of disability and now that's not me. 1:49:03.507 --> 1:49:06.147 And so there was a lot of adjustment to go through, 1:49:07.427 --> 1:49:12.907 and as you indicated, great support friends, family, and particularly 1:49:13.067 --> 1:49:15.747 one one person that was really prominent at that time 1:49:15.987 --> 1:49:18.627 was my old swim coach from Hawks Bay, guy by 1:49:18.707 --> 1:49:21.587 the name of John Beaumont, and it was it was 1:49:21.707 --> 1:49:25.907 really his efforts and his willingness to want to get involved, 1:49:26.947 --> 1:49:29.547 and as he described it helped sort my life out 1:49:30.627 --> 1:49:33.707 that we head it on this path of sport and swimming. 1:49:34.107 --> 1:49:37.307 Just before we get to your discovery of Paralympic swimming. 1:49:37.907 --> 1:49:42.107 Those months after your surgery must have been incredibly difficult. 1:49:42.747 --> 1:49:45.187 Where did you find the strength to keep looking forward? 1:49:46.987 --> 1:49:49.907 I think probably one of the grounding things I had. 1:49:50.347 --> 1:49:53.507 I was with National Bank, and so I had a 1:49:53.627 --> 1:49:57.627 job to go back to and a very supportive employer, 1:49:57.747 --> 1:50:00.787 and so I had something meaningful to do. And I 1:50:00.827 --> 1:50:03.107 think that that was a big part of it is 1:50:03.387 --> 1:50:06.187 you know, I still had purpose and I still had 1:50:06.227 --> 1:50:09.627 a job, but it was all these other things that 1:50:09.707 --> 1:50:12.227 you do outside of work. Now, I was fortunate I 1:50:12.347 --> 1:50:15.227 worked in an office, so that made it a little 1:50:15.267 --> 1:50:18.507 bit easier to go back, but it was adjusting to 1:50:18.627 --> 1:50:20.867 all these other things of how you live normal life, 1:50:20.907 --> 1:50:23.587 how you get in and out of your house, how 1:50:23.667 --> 1:50:26.667 you do supermarket shopping. You know, all these things that 1:50:26.747 --> 1:50:30.067 are just different. And you know, if there was one 1:50:30.147 --> 1:50:33.187 benefit you know, with mobility, you get one of those 1:50:33.227 --> 1:50:36.187 mobility cards and you can part right outside of supermarket, 1:50:36.347 --> 1:50:39.187 and in a big city that's super important. You know, 1:50:39.267 --> 1:50:42.147 they're hard to get. So there was you know, there 1:50:42.227 --> 1:50:44.907 was some small upsides, I guess, but you know just 1:50:45.147 --> 1:50:49.547 then getting around you know, supermarkets and just everyday life. 1:50:49.667 --> 1:50:52.187 You know, it was just different. It was hard and 1:50:52.347 --> 1:50:53.867 you had to learn to do it in a different way. 1:50:54.387 --> 1:50:58.747 When Paralympic swimming came onto your radar, did it immediately 1:50:58.987 --> 1:51:00.267 ignite something inside you? 1:51:02.227 --> 1:51:04.587 I think it did because I'd started swimming from a 1:51:04.667 --> 1:51:07.307 rehead point of view because I couldn't get back on 1:51:07.387 --> 1:51:10.947 my bike little and pedal and I couldn't run, And 1:51:11.067 --> 1:51:13.987 I yes, that was a blessing in disguise because as 1:51:13.987 --> 1:51:17.467 a triathlete, I hated running. So now I've got a 1:51:17.507 --> 1:51:21.947 genuine excuse. But I think I'd started the swimming from 1:51:21.987 --> 1:51:27.187 a rehap point of view, and I'd seen the documentary 1:51:27.267 --> 1:51:31.107 that elite Sir Paul Holmes and Chess too Good had 1:51:31.187 --> 1:51:34.667 done on the Barcelona Paralympic Games, and it was that 1:51:34.907 --> 1:51:39.267 was the eye opener of these people that look like me, 1:51:39.387 --> 1:51:42.307 that are actually swimming for their country and it's a 1:51:42.427 --> 1:51:45.547 thing called the Paralympic Games. And that was the that 1:51:45.707 --> 1:51:49.907 was really the moment where I had discussions with my 1:51:50.107 --> 1:51:53.627 coach and you know, we started to get serious about 1:51:53.667 --> 1:51:54.867 what a program might look like. 1:51:55.467 --> 1:51:59.907 And that was around nineteen ninety three or thereabouts. By 1:52:00.067 --> 1:52:04.907 nineteen ninety six, you're a four time Paralympic champion. Looking back, now, 1:52:05.987 --> 1:52:08.467 does that progression still amaze you? 1:52:11.507 --> 1:52:15.307 Yeah, I guess it does. Yes, I had I had 1:52:15.347 --> 1:52:18.827 a pretty handy swimming background. But that is one of 1:52:18.907 --> 1:52:21.387 the things that we do notice and stilled today in 1:52:21.467 --> 1:52:25.547 Paralympic sport is that particularly people that incurre an injury, 1:52:26.227 --> 1:52:30.267 you know, that have got an athletic sporting background, they 1:52:30.347 --> 1:52:33.667 can come to sport and and and rise pretty quickly 1:52:33.747 --> 1:52:36.107 because of that that background and that you know, they 1:52:36.107 --> 1:52:37.387 are their mental. 1:52:37.187 --> 1:52:37.987 Approach to sport. 1:52:39.907 --> 1:52:43.667 But yes, I think it still surprises. You know, I 1:52:43.787 --> 1:52:47.107 still pinched myself on many things that have occurred, and 1:52:47.427 --> 1:52:50.627 that being one of them. I've been able to represent 1:52:50.867 --> 1:52:55.307 country and perform and come away with a fist full 1:52:55.347 --> 1:52:58.267 of metals was you know, it was a huge achievement. 1:52:58.347 --> 1:52:59.227 I'm super proud of. 1:52:59.547 --> 1:53:03.187 A fistfull is right? Six events, six medals, four of 1:53:03.227 --> 1:53:06.547 them gold. At the time, Dwayne, did you have at 1:53:07.147 --> 1:53:10.027 any sense that you were producing one of the great 1:53:10.107 --> 1:53:13.027 performances by a New Zealand athlete at any Games. 1:53:14.867 --> 1:53:14.907 No. 1:53:15.627 --> 1:53:18.667 All I knew at the time was I was actually 1:53:18.707 --> 1:53:21.147 swimming in the lane either next to or the same 1:53:21.227 --> 1:53:25.747 as what Dnian Loader had swimming three weeks beforehand, and 1:53:26.067 --> 1:53:28.507 that had probably given me a little bit of inspiration too. 1:53:28.627 --> 1:53:29.547 Of that. 1:53:30.267 --> 1:53:37.227 Dnian is Kiwi swimmer performed incredibly well and a high 1:53:37.307 --> 1:53:43.187 standard and very well, you know, strategically considered race really 1:53:44.347 --> 1:53:47.307 and I was in that pool, but I wasn't given 1:53:47.307 --> 1:53:51.547 any real thought to replicating that or what it may be. 1:53:51.747 --> 1:53:55.747 And I think also as you someone that's swimming in 1:53:55.827 --> 1:53:59.427 that number of events, you probably don't we don't take 1:53:59.467 --> 1:54:02.787 the time to reflect as you're going is to Juz 1:54:02.987 --> 1:54:06.027 this is this is a quite an achievement and he 1:54:06.067 --> 1:54:08.587 probably miss out on some of the sort of the 1:54:08.747 --> 1:54:13.587 celebration side, you know, the ceremony where you actually focus 1:54:13.667 --> 1:54:17.027 on the next day, and it's part of the process 1:54:17.067 --> 1:54:20.627 you're going through. So sad in some ways, but you 1:54:20.707 --> 1:54:21.747 never be able to do a job. 1:54:22.267 --> 1:54:24.867 Of the four gold medals, is there one Rice that 1:54:24.987 --> 1:54:26.107 stands at above the others. 1:54:29.987 --> 1:54:33.427 I think the one that stands out was my first 1:54:33.507 --> 1:54:37.747 one for both well, probably for bad reasons. Actually the 1:54:37.867 --> 1:54:40.467 first event I was and was the two hundred Medley. 1:54:40.547 --> 1:54:42.507 And I've done a fair bit of sort of you know, 1:54:44.067 --> 1:54:48.267 affirmation work and you know, positive informations and you know 1:54:48.427 --> 1:54:52.547 how you were approaching events. And part of that, rightly wrongly, 1:54:52.747 --> 1:54:54.467 was if I have a good first event, that will 1:54:54.707 --> 1:54:56.667 just sort of settle the nerves and set me out 1:54:56.707 --> 1:54:59.187 well for the rest of the meat. And I swung 1:54:59.587 --> 1:55:03.707 the heats of the two hundred badly. I won my hate, 1:55:03.827 --> 1:55:06.867 I broke the world record, ended up being top qualifire 1:55:06.947 --> 1:55:11.787 for that night, and swung again that night and equaled 1:55:11.827 --> 1:55:15.107 that world record, and I won that race for about 1:55:15.227 --> 1:55:22.547 sixty seconds, and then the chief judge came over and 1:55:22.747 --> 1:55:26.107 said that I've been disqualified. And it was like what 1:55:27.667 --> 1:55:30.547 And you're sort of scrambling those sort of computing orders. 1:55:30.627 --> 1:55:36.827 What news happened? And to give context with my situation, 1:55:37.067 --> 1:55:40.027 I don't dive off the blocks, you know, I literally 1:55:40.147 --> 1:55:42.547 I fall in the water and I start from in 1:55:42.627 --> 1:55:46.467 the water. You know, when the gun or buzzer goes off, 1:55:47.707 --> 1:55:53.347 and so when I got out and they described that once, well, 1:55:53.387 --> 1:55:56.267 from your dive into the pool, you took two strokes 1:55:56.307 --> 1:55:58.627 under the water. Now you all know that's a no no, 1:55:58.747 --> 1:56:00.467 and you can only do one stroke under the water. 1:56:01.787 --> 1:56:04.587 But I thought that was odd. And then another official 1:56:04.667 --> 1:56:08.027 came over and she was over here during the discussion, 1:56:09.187 --> 1:56:12.027 and she can you just repeat that when he dived 1:56:12.347 --> 1:56:15.947 off the blocks into the pool and the chief judge 1:56:15.947 --> 1:56:20.147 s jere she goes, well, he doesn't die, and that was. 1:56:20.147 --> 1:56:22.227 The end of the debate. 1:56:23.627 --> 1:56:27.387 So yeah, that's probably for some ways the wrong reasons, 1:56:27.587 --> 1:56:30.907 one of the most memorable things. And then the awful 1:56:30.987 --> 1:56:33.587 thing about that was like, this was half an hour 1:56:33.667 --> 1:56:38.307 later and the supposed winners of the event, the gold 1:56:38.347 --> 1:56:41.147 children bronze, were in the ceremony room waiting to march 1:56:41.227 --> 1:56:44.267 out to go to the podium, and I come in 1:56:46.147 --> 1:56:48.987 and having apologize on look this, guys, I'm really sorry, 1:56:49.627 --> 1:56:52.867 but there's been a mistake, and everyone shuffled down a 1:56:52.947 --> 1:56:55.707 spot and the poor bugger that was going to get 1:56:55.707 --> 1:56:58.787 a bronze medal had to leave the room. So yeah, 1:56:58.907 --> 1:57:02.027 not great, but yes, I remember that one quite clearly 1:57:03.187 --> 1:57:03.667 looking back. 1:57:03.747 --> 1:57:07.187 Now, Dwayne, what are you proud of is it the 1:57:07.267 --> 1:57:10.867 medals themselves or everything it took to get there. 1:57:13.667 --> 1:57:16.867 What am I most proud of is not specifically around 1:57:17.587 --> 1:57:22.587 Atlanta and the event and the results. I think, and 1:57:22.707 --> 1:57:26.627 I've only understood this years and years later, is that 1:57:27.067 --> 1:57:29.947 I came away from Atlanta thinking, you know, man, that 1:57:30.147 --> 1:57:32.387 what an awesome experience. You're on the top of the 1:57:32.427 --> 1:57:36.667 world sporting stage and the Paralympic environment, and look how 1:57:36.747 --> 1:57:39.587 fay you've come. It doesn't get any better than that. 1:57:40.467 --> 1:57:43.227 And that's where I was wrong. I think, you know what, 1:57:43.787 --> 1:57:48.387 I've been able to be involved in running sports teams, 1:57:49.027 --> 1:57:53.707 being involved in the International Paralympic Committee, in a variety 1:57:53.707 --> 1:57:58.307 of other things. He should get more satisfaction about creating 1:57:58.347 --> 1:58:02.907 that platform for those that will you saying goes following 1:58:02.907 --> 1:58:05.427 your footsteps, but they actually exceed what you did. You know, 1:58:05.467 --> 1:58:07.707 you said a new beach smart for others to exceed. 1:58:08.867 --> 1:58:11.147 And I think that's what I'm most proud of because 1:58:11.147 --> 1:58:14.227 it was part and I didn't do it solely, but 1:58:14.347 --> 1:58:18.467 that was part of our history and changing the awareness 1:58:18.547 --> 1:58:22.667 and perception of disability and Paralympic sport, and super proud 1:58:22.707 --> 1:58:25.267 of how that's grown and the decades to come. 1:58:25.587 --> 1:58:28.707 Yeah, and Paralympic sport is so much more visible now 1:58:28.787 --> 1:58:32.107 than it was thirty years ago. How satisfying has it 1:58:32.187 --> 1:58:35.147 been to watch that growth and be part of that growth. 1:58:36.107 --> 1:58:40.147 Yeah, that's enormous and hugely satisfying. And there's there's been 1:58:41.067 --> 1:58:45.627 blips upwards and down, and I do recall the Sydney 1:58:45.667 --> 1:58:49.027 two thousand games are very time friendly for New Zealand 1:58:50.227 --> 1:58:54.267 and again Paul Holmes and chairs too good. I had 1:58:54.627 --> 1:58:58.787 a slot on TVNZ from five pm to six pm 1:58:58.867 --> 1:59:02.307 every weeknight and it rated and who knows it might 1:59:02.387 --> 1:59:05.227 still do, but it was the highest rating show in 1:59:05.347 --> 1:59:09.667 that time slot and it was coverage of the parallemic 1:59:09.787 --> 1:59:13.227 Games in Sydney, so that was a real game changer. 1:59:13.347 --> 1:59:15.467 And then we saw some of the thing really coming 1:59:15.507 --> 1:59:19.507 out of London where just the whole games itself and 1:59:19.627 --> 1:59:24.307 the broadcasting has gone up and up, and internationally it continues. 1:59:24.507 --> 1:59:29.067 You know, Milano Cortina had better coverage than what we've 1:59:29.107 --> 1:59:32.147 seen in Paris from a summer games into a winter, 1:59:33.387 --> 1:59:38.947 smaller games, arguably less interests in terms of nations competing, 1:59:40.267 --> 1:59:42.467 but the interest is growing more rapidly. 1:59:43.107 --> 1:59:46.347 Well, long may that continue? Yeah, long may it continue? 1:59:46.787 --> 1:59:51.267 Just to finish. Wayne, your story is one of many things, 1:59:51.307 --> 1:59:54.627 but resilience is certainly a quality that I abscribed to you, 1:59:54.707 --> 1:59:57.467 having had the opportunity to learn all about you but 1:59:57.547 --> 2:00:01.747 also to meet you. When people face life changing setbacks, 2:00:02.587 --> 2:00:05.547 what are the lessons that you've learned that might be 2:00:05.667 --> 2:00:06.267 helpful to them. 2:00:08.947 --> 2:00:16.147 I had the fortunate opportunity to meet Summary Hellberg many 2:00:16.267 --> 2:00:18.267 years ago, and he was actually talking to us as 2:00:18.347 --> 2:00:23.427 a team, and he used a description that I've repeated 2:00:24.187 --> 2:00:27.467 where he talks about when one you know, we all 2:00:27.667 --> 2:00:31.147 understand the one door opens, another floor sorry, one door closes, 2:00:31.187 --> 2:00:34.667 and another door opens. And he described it to me as, 2:00:34.947 --> 2:00:36.787 you know, one door shuts, and there's two doors in 2:00:36.827 --> 2:00:39.147 front of you, and you've got to be bold enough 2:00:39.227 --> 2:00:43.067 to choose one to go through, and then brave enough 2:00:43.147 --> 2:00:45.627 to take that step and go through it. And I 2:00:45.707 --> 2:00:48.387 think that's the thing, you know, I think about resilience 2:00:49.187 --> 2:00:52.067 and things that I've learned from this is that you 2:00:52.187 --> 2:00:54.547 never know what's on the other side of that opportunity 2:00:54.587 --> 2:00:57.867 that's presented to you, and you know grabbed them, you know, 2:00:58.187 --> 2:01:04.347 because even you might not have the confidence in yourself 2:01:04.427 --> 2:01:07.027 at jeez, am I really up for this experience that 2:01:07.227 --> 2:01:10.147 with the shift to mission roles for Beijing and for London. 2:01:11.427 --> 2:01:13.467 When I was offered the opportunity to be a shift 2:01:13.467 --> 2:01:16.067 to mission, I'd said, you know, I'm happy to help out, 2:01:16.627 --> 2:01:20.667 and I didn't expect to actually run the team. But 2:01:20.787 --> 2:01:23.907 when you were given that opportunity, you grab it and 2:01:24.507 --> 2:01:27.107 you shape it, and you add what you can to 2:01:27.267 --> 2:01:30.307 it and take your learnings from it. You can get 2:01:30.307 --> 2:01:31.067 another chance at it. 2:01:31.187 --> 2:01:31.427 Great. 2:01:32.587 --> 2:01:34.987 So you don't be afraid to step into things I 2:01:35.027 --> 2:01:38.387 think is a big thing, and you don't let others 2:01:38.467 --> 2:01:40.947 be the judge of what you can and can't do, 2:01:41.147 --> 2:01:44.987 which unfortunately is often the case with visibility. You be 2:01:45.107 --> 2:01:48.027 the judge of how you're going to break down a 2:01:48.067 --> 2:01:51.267 few barriers and you do things that are exceptional. 2:01:51.507 --> 2:01:54.427 Well you certainly did that thirty years ago in Atlanta, 2:01:54.507 --> 2:01:57.867 and in the three decades since, Dwin has been wonderful 2:01:57.907 --> 2:02:01.067 having a we mosey down memory lane with you. 2:02:01.187 --> 2:02:04.027 Thanks so much for taking the time, pleasure, thanks so 2:02:04.147 --> 2:02:04.947 much being enjoyed it. 2:02:05.067 --> 2:02:08.347 Now enjoyed it too, Thanks Dane Dwayne Kale there six 2:02:08.507 --> 2:02:12.427 time medallist at the Paralympics in Atlanta in nineteen ninety six, 2:02:12.587 --> 2:02:15.427 four of those gold and in the three decades since, 2:02:16.227 --> 2:02:19.387 just a driving force in the area of Paralympic sport. 2:02:19.467 --> 2:02:21.747 Great to get the chance to chat to Dwayne Kale. 2:02:22.107 --> 2:02:23.587 Nine away from three News Talks head. 2:02:23.467 --> 2:02:27.947 Be The biggest names in sport are here Weekend Sport 2:02:28.267 --> 2:02:30.107 with Jason Vine News. 2:02:29.947 --> 2:02:32.947 Talks, HEB News Talks, ABN Weekend Sport coming up five 2:02:32.987 --> 2:02:35.227 to three. Just updating some live sport for you in 2:02:35.267 --> 2:02:38.747 the NPC. Not a high scoring affair, you would you 2:02:38.827 --> 2:02:42.187 would say at Rugby Park and in Vicago, Southland eight 2:02:42.587 --> 2:02:45.307 Waite cuttle five at halftime in that one, so bit 2:02:45.347 --> 2:02:48.987 of an armor wrestle between those two sides. In Darwin, 2:02:49.507 --> 2:02:52.427 Australia are two hundred and forty three for seven in 2:02:52.467 --> 2:02:55.507 their second inning, so they now have a lead. Bangladesh 2:02:55.547 --> 2:02:58.267 will have to bat again, but Australia seven down, they 2:02:58.347 --> 2:03:02.747 lead by fifteen runs with just the three second innings 2:03:02.787 --> 2:03:06.027 wickets in hand. Cameron Green is still there, unbeaten on 2:03:06.107 --> 2:03:08.867 eighty so you'd have to think that if Australia are 2:03:08.867 --> 2:03:11.187 going to get out of this rather precarious situation, he's 2:03:11.227 --> 2:03:13.547 going to have a big part to play. Mitchell Stark 2:03:13.667 --> 2:03:17.347 is unbeaten on fourteen, just Nathan Lyon and Josh Hazelwood 2:03:17.387 --> 2:03:21.187 to come and in the Chatham Cup semi finals. It 2:03:21.347 --> 2:03:24.547 is Cashmir Tech who have won that one. They've beaten 2:03:24.587 --> 2:03:27.107 Opia City Rovers two to one and through to the 2:03:27.227 --> 2:03:30.667 Chatham Cup Final where they will take on Fencibles. That 2:03:30.827 --> 2:03:36.747 game is on the weekend of September four and five 2:03:36.947 --> 2:03:39.227 or five and six. I'm sure I'll get a more 2:03:40.747 --> 2:03:44.347 a more cast iron date closer to that time. I 2:03:44.427 --> 2:03:46.947 think we've pretty much run out of steam. 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