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Speaker 1: The featured documentary about Tom Phillips is going to be

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Speaker 1: on Netflix. Is anyone surprised to hear this? The cops

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Speaker 1: gave the film crew access. Some journals aren't happy. James

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Speaker 1: Hollings is massive university journalism program lead and former news

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Speaker 1: editor with me this morning. James, Good morning, Good.

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Speaker 2: Morning, Ryan.

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Speaker 1: How are you great to talk to you? Very well?

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Speaker 1: Thank you. So the new bit in the story is

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Speaker 1: the Netflix link? Does that actually change much? Do you think?

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Speaker 2: I think it does actually, And I think there's some

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Speaker 2: concerns that we should have really because we have I mean,

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Speaker 2: I think the people that are making the documentary they're

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Speaker 2: acting in their own sort of interests, which is fine,

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Speaker 2: and they've applied and they've been given permission by the

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Speaker 2: police everything else, and they've taken a punt and they've

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Speaker 2: they've and they've done very well out of it. But

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Speaker 2: the problem is that it's going to be broadcast overseas

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Speaker 2: and this as I guess most journalists known, most of

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Speaker 2: the genders probably know that an awful lot of legal

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Speaker 2: tangle around this case and a lot of suppressions around

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Speaker 2: it because of the way that it involves children and

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Speaker 2: anything else. And we don't really know how that's going

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Speaker 2: to play out overseas. I mean, is the he's in

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Speaker 2: a law going to be respected in the way that

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Speaker 2: it's it's made and as it's broadcast. So for example,

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Speaker 2: there's a whole other things that using on journalist weren't

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Speaker 2: able to talk about and say about this case because

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Speaker 2: of the legal suppression around the family and everything else.

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Speaker 2: Does that going to apply to an overseas streamer?

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Speaker 1: Do you think, James, do you think they could make

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Speaker 1: two versions of it, one that we get and one

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Speaker 1: that the rest of the world gets, or are they

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Speaker 1: doing one version that abides by our rules? And you're

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Speaker 1: worried about how other media might react overseas and what

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Speaker 1: digging they might do.

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Speaker 2: Well, we don't know do It hasn't been spelled out,

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Speaker 2: nothing's been said by the police about that about how

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Speaker 2: they intend to sort of safeguard and make sure it

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Speaker 2: conforms with New Zealand law. So that's one issue. The

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Speaker 2: other issue is that it's a really poor, poor decision

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Speaker 2: by police to do this, I think, and you can

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Speaker 2: see why that they're so embarrassed and that to sit

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Speaker 2: there thoughts so hard not to have it come out

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Speaker 2: that it was Netflix that's doing it because it's a

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Speaker 2: poor lot and it's a bad decision by police to

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Speaker 2: completely sideline all the New Zealand's journalists and broadcasters in

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Speaker 2: favor of an overseas commercial entity, basically sell off what

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Speaker 2: is really privileged public information to an overseas broadcaster. Will

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Speaker 2: not sell it to give it away.

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Speaker 1: In fact, what information are you talking about. You're talking

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Speaker 1: about the access that the film crew got, because yes,

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Speaker 1: do we know that New Zealand media are stone we'd declined.

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't know that, but it'll be surprised they hadn't.

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Speaker 1: Nast Okay, all right, Dames, appreciate your trying this morning.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. James Hollings, Mass University journalism program lead and

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Speaker 1: former news editor.

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