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Speaker 1: So howth New Zealand is cutting jobs and it's predicted

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Speaker 1: that the number will set it around fifteen hundred. Now

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Speaker 1: it itself hasn't confirmed the number, but the PSA, which

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Speaker 1: is the union, reckons that's about right. And Ashok and

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Speaker 1: Shanka from the union is with.

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Speaker 2: Us now a shock. Hello, hi, he how are you?

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Speaker 1: I'm very well?

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: So, if I'm right, we already have seven hundred vacancy,

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Speaker 1: So we're really talking about cuts of about eight hundred jobs.

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Speaker 2: Is that right? Absolutely? Yes, that's about right yet.

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Speaker 1: Okay, and the digital team, this seems like half the

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Speaker 1: digital team is being cut. And what's that? That's like

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Speaker 1: eleven hundred people or something that are you surprised how

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Speaker 1: big that team is?

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Speaker 2: The size of the team is two thousand, four hundred

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Speaker 2: and five. That's the exact number, is that not quite?

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Speaker 2: One thousand? Absolutely? One thousand, one hundred and twenty of

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Speaker 2: the drolls go yeah, obviously off that one thousand, one

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Speaker 2: hundred and twenty four hundred and sixty four were vacant rolls. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but there were numbers less roles that they had chosen

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Speaker 2: not to fill.

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Speaker 1: I'm raising us with you because I want you to

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Speaker 1: convince me that you need two thousand and four hundred

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Speaker 1: digital guys in house New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: And we do at the moment with the type of

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Speaker 2: IT system we've got. As you know, we have inherited

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Speaker 2: a IT system from twenty districts and when New Zealand

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Speaker 2: Health was formed, another seven agencies joined it together, and

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Speaker 2: so you have twenty seven different IT systems. These systems

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Speaker 2: are not national systems. They don't talk to each other,

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Speaker 2: They do their own things. They have to be maintained.

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Speaker 2: There are legacy systems. They have not been updated for

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Speaker 2: a number of years and it doesn't seem like that

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Speaker 2: they will be updated in any anytime soon. So just

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Speaker 2: to maintain them and to make them do what they

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Speaker 2: need to do, you need this people to actually support it.

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Speaker 2: And we are really really worried about what this cut

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Speaker 2: is going to do.

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Speaker 1: If these people are cut and we hire doctors and

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Speaker 1: nurses instead, would you complain about that or would you

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Speaker 1: be okay with the doctors?

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Speaker 2: No? I mean if absolutely, we would always welcome more. However,

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Speaker 2: for nurses and doctors to do their work, they need

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Speaker 2: to have people who can support them, who can provide

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Speaker 2: the data, the information, the it systems. If doctors and

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Speaker 2: nurses can work without that, it'd be great, wouldn't that.

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Speaker 2: But in the modern healthcare doesn't work like that. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, hey, thanks Ashok. I really appreciated Ashok Shanka, who

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